It Could Happen Here - Buen Vivir with Andrew
Episode Date: February 7, 2023Andrew sits down with James to explain the concept of “buen vivir” and the traditions and social philosophy behind itSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information....
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Hello and welcome to It Could Happen Here. Once once again hosted by myself andrew as you know we
talk about whatever we've entered a new year so you know happy new year by the way james i don't
think i told you oh yeah happy new year andrew yeah uh the whatever in question this time is
carrying over from some of the discussions we had in the previous year because you know time moves forward uh and with time moving forward how pertinent it becomes increasingly
necessary very very necessary to interrogate and to uproot a lot of the classical capitalist ideas
uh embedded in our world an ideology for example that just won't die, that idea of development.
Despite as many critics over the past few decades, despite the colonizing and post-colonial nations,
people of those nations, you know, rallying against such projects of development due to the
harms they've caused socially, environmentally, and otherwise, this ideology, this idea of development due to the harms they've caused socially, environmentally, and otherwise this ideology,
this idea of development just won't die.
But here we are 2023.
And I think at least here in this podcast among the audience of this podcast,
we can agree that the time has come for some kind of alternative.
Maybe some kind of alternative can happen here you know
a different view a new path you are we currently have enter stage right when we veer are you
familiar with the concept i'm not actually no be fun to learn about it all right well fantastic
so you can ask anything any questions you have altered I go along. So a lot of the early concepts related to this idea of buen vivir arose in reaction to the classical economic development strategies that have ripped through communities and their environments.
I'm talking, of course, about acts of enclosure, privatization, neoliberalization, economic imperialisms, and so forth.
neoliberalization economic imperialisms and so forth capitalism in its element basically government projects that line the pockets of politicians and bureaucrats development banks
quote unquote that really never seem to fund the people directly when revere draws from this
heritage a heritage of indigenous communities uh particularly in South America. In some cultures, they have no concepts
analogous to the modern Western capitalist concept of development. Of course, modern is in quotes.
There is no concept of a linear life, a linear time even, with a former and subsequent state.
And so the idea of underdevelopment and development of primitive
and advanced just does not mesh with that ontology. Nor are these concepts of wealth and poverty,
nor are they necessarily concepts of wealth and poverty as we understand them,
based on the accumulational lack of material good. I've said Buen're here probably a dozen times by now the question is what is
when we're here in latin america the concept of when we're here or good life or good living
provides new alternatives to development um and to be very honest with you i feel like
i feel like it's something that we should have been working on for a really long time
um you know like me personally i don't know about you, James, but I really care about GDP growth or increasing return on investment.
You know, I care about living a good life.
I care about Buen Vivir.
And so I think the name of the philosophy itself and the name of the concept itself automatically gets you to ask the question, what is a good life? And the answer, the beauty of the
answer is that you decide that, I decide that, we decide that, our communities decide that
collaboratively. The good life is not some sort of policy proposal or government project or development initiative or imposition the good life is a pluralistic
concept it's buenos conviveres it's different ways of living well together it's not a single
homogenous or unrealizable good life it's not like this single homogenous pursuit of profit
that our entire system is built around now now the good life when we're here is more about people living well together in a community and
different communities living well together and individuals and communities living well with
nature and if these concepts sound familiar it's because you know you must have heard it
from other places it's a it's a trend that we are starting to see around the world in this 21st century and even prior to then
and these ideas are slowly getting more and more steam as time goes on you know the idea is present
in social ecology the idea is present in various animist ontologies and they're really being brought
to the forefront in this time because we need them now more than ever. Despite efforts of Western forces primarily to
erase and to redact and to confine these ideas and these concepts to the realm of irrelevance or
backwardsness or superstition, they endure in sometimes new forms as with Buen Vivir.
Buen Vivir is about quality of life, but also
more so the idea that quality of life, our well-being as individuals, is only possible
within a community. A community which, as I mentioned, includes the flora and fauna that
surround us. And there are many ways that can be interpreted, which is the real beauty of it.
many ways that can be interpreted, which is the real beauty of it.
So as a concept, you can kind of look at Buen Vivir.
It's a two-word phrase, and it's also a double barrel of a concept.
It's a two-for-one package of both criticism of the classical Western capitalist notion of development and an alternative to that Eurocentric tradition, but onto indigenous traditions, plural.
And so that two-for-one package within that, and you could really unpack that package and see that,
you know, you see the idea of the same sort of basis that degrowth is getting its critique from,
the same sort of ideas being shared.
And in terms of alternatives, when you look into wendover you sort of see the
anarchic bent that has become ever more present in new political imaginations over the past few
years or at least it feels that way to me that's um that sort of community oriented uh autonomy community-oriented, autonomy-oriented,
liberatory, decolonial-oriented mindset is becoming more and more prevalent.
Of course, that could be, you know,
my own internet biases and algorithms
presenting me what I want to see,
but I would like to think that more and more people
are exploring these ideas.
Yeah, it is hard to say, isn't it?
Because I feel the same way.
Like, am i seeing what
yeah yeah it's like oh they're these new institutes and initiatives and programs and
movements it's so amazing all these things are developing and then like you talk to somebody
who is not like in this fair and they haven't heard of any of it yeah you know it's like yeah
they don't they don't think anarchism means like i don't know
throwing a brick through a window i think that is the whole ideology uh and yeah i don't know
i we can hope we can hope we can hope i would like to think it's getting more provenance but
we can only hope it's not like it's not like anarchists are too keen on you know necessarily
submitting to an anarchism census like a global anarchism census of some kind
um but i would like to think that anarchic ideas um i mean i in all the exploration that i've done
of um various parts of the world however you know shallow uh my exploration has been so far. I just, I see, it could be my anarchist tinted glasses seeing
anarchic principles and everything, but I see it in certain practices, in certain ideologies,
in certain ideas and, you know, ways of living. And I think Buen Vivir is a sort of a recognition
of that in one sense. And so there is no single Buen Vivir, right?
There is no single good life.
You know, I might want, for example, my Buen Vivir might look like sailing the Caribbean Sea, you know, touching down in various islands and exploring the ecology therein.
Or my good life,
I'd look like a more settled sort of homestead existence
or sort of a fusion of urban and rural living,
sort of a good ending for the suburbs
where you're able to live in a walkable
sort of environment and community
that is both not too far from you know
the goings-ons of human social interaction but also very much rooted and connected with
um what's happening in the natural world but i mean what might your good life your buen vivir
look like james yeah that's interesting isn't it i think uh you
know i grew up in a countryside so it's like the idea of living in a rural area and still
having community and having uh like that being close to nature and still also being close to
people who i care about and and being able to look after each other. I think it's interesting how often, like, at least the sort of settler colonial concept
of rural life or the construct of rural life, I guess, in America is like, oh, rugged individualism
and being on your own when, in fact, like living in a countryside, people have to look
after one another.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
We maintain this kind of this false idea that it's you against you
against the elements and you know crushing nature and subjecting it to your will and all this stuff
yeah and i think there's something interesting about at least people i've spoken to um in various
circles and stuff when i ask them you know what is your ideal life what is your good life i don't necessarily say when we've here i just ask them you know what do you want um
and you dig into it you ask them a couple of prodding questions and people despite when we
being a pluralistic concept people tend to generally want similar things and so it sort
of begs the question like why are we in this situation in the first place?
You know, because like everyone says, oh, well, you know, I want like an involved community and I want like, I want to be able to like grow my plants.
And I also want to be able to do my arts and, you know, enjoy my time with people and do a bit of travel and not work my whole life and that kind of thing.
People, of course course phrase it and
frame it in certain ways and so that's why i ask the prob proving questions because someone might
initially say oh well i want to retire early i want you to really dig into what that means it's
like i don't want to spend my whole life working you know or they might say something like um
you know i want to i want to travel a lot so i want to
like start a business when you ask them what kind of business they want to start why they want to
start a business it really comes down to i want autonomy i want flexibility in my labor i want
control of my own labor kind of thing like yes of course there are people who have the code and code
entrepreneurial spirit who want to
just be at the top of the food chain but then i think most of the entrepreneurs the quote-unquote
entrepreneurs that i've met have been people who just like oh well you know i i started selling
candles uh because i really like making candles and i want to share them with people and i also
need to make a living and i'm just passionate about it or whatever that kind of thing uh it's not necessarily
wanting to grow it or whatever they just want to be able to sustain themselves doing something that
they enjoy yeah it's interesting because we're always sold like every new advance in technology
and in production that comes along like these concepts you're talking about like like working
less having community all these things are like always sold is what that's going to do right like but
instead we end up working more or the same amount and instead just generating more income for a
certain group of people like we we don't get any of these good things but yeah there's they're
always a carrot in whatever this kind of neoliberal capitalism that we have is but we never get there
exactly that's the tragedy of it this kind of neoliberal capitalism that we have is, but we never get there. Exactly.
That's the tragedy of it.
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another aspect of you know the idea of the good life um is that it's not a static concept right it's not like we come up with this good life this when we're here we want for ourselves now we etch
it into stone tablets and piously adhere to them forever like the ten commandments like nah you
know the good life is supposed to be flexible when we're here is what we respond into your conditions
the conditions of your community your ecology etc and really redefining what it means to get to live a good life continuously
you know in response to change in circumstances because you know change is life um of course nor
is this idea to get life uh quote unquote backward concept it's a problematic framing in and of itself but um sometimes you have to use
problematic shortcuts to communicate effectively but the the idea of one reviewer is not like an
invitation to return to some id like past or id like non-past you know like non-existent world
that people have sort of mentally constructed
uh as in the case of a lot of these romanticizations you see on social media
um but video is not like some kind of religion with its own rules and functions but it's
and it's not also it's not imposing that you must become a homesteader or a forager or you
must live in a rural community to live a good life there's more possibilities yet unrealized um and it should be something that is
it should be considered something that is undergoing a constant construction and reproduction process
and that's i think where the global potential of when you realize um you know that's why i think
there's viral potential for it i mean of course
when you look at a lot of things that end up dominating the social media news cycle uh it's
a lot of negativity um dominating current discourse right now i think is a topic of of masculinity and particularly the prevalence of Andrew Tate and you know you also have the
constantly bubbling under the surface existence of incels and so and then you go on TikTok. I don't know if you go on TikTok, James.
I don't.
That's the point at which I decided I'd become old.
I was just like, I can't do this shit anymore.
Yeah.
I should have made that decision.
But I mean, I kind of like TikTok because I don't know how other people are curating their their foyer pages but my foyer page is um a place i
enjoy being at a bit too much which is why i have like limits on my phone to prevent me from staying
on tiktok for too long but yeah it's a place that i enjoy and um you see a lot of trends come and go
on tiktok um right now the big thing is like niche talk and core core, which I know is probably Greek to you.
Yes.
But in that general vein, if you were to see what those trends were,
I think you'd get a sense of what I'm talking about.
Nishtalk and Koko.
And then it's also, it seems to be an attempt to rebrand the idea of Sigma.
Oh God. And the Sigma meal, it started off as a very you know
patriarchal thing and then i've seen a couple different creators who who did it in sort of a
an ironic or a post-ironic sense um as a sort of a meme because it became a meme to make fun of
people who take it seriously yeah um and then from that that sort
of memification of it people said reclaim the tomb um and then it became a sort of you see um
you see like a video where a guy um does something polite or something you know chivalrous something
kind and the comments are like um typical sigma w true sigma this is
what true sigma looks like kind of thing um so i think it's just a natural aspect of the fluidity
of the internet the fickleness of the internet because i'm sure they're still they're heavily
misogynistic sigma people they still exist but then there's also people who memes themselves into a brand of sigma there's a kind of a weird pseudo positive
masculinity it's kind of interesting um i'll i'll continue to do my tiktok anthropological
research and and you know discuss my findings as this situation develops But in that same vein of,
in that vein of mummification and those sort of developments,
I think there is a potential
for Buen Viver to become a global phenomenon,
to have that global potential,
to have that global reach,
because,
and then there's something in it for the people,
there's also an anti-work current present
in a lot of TikTok trends.
So, you know, it's something to yeah and
again again i see there's an anti-work current in a lot of tiktok trends but those are the tiktok
trends i'm being presented with the post-ironic rebrandification or whatever sigma is something
my for you page has given me it's not necessarily reflective of the entirety of reality and that's
the scary part of the internet right like you're not seeing the full reality you're seeing an
algorithmically produced version skewed version of reality yeah yeah it's interesting to me how like
uh like most people i encounter on a daily basis will not know what or where myanmar is and like
if i look at my twitter page right now it's just all like half of it is in
Burmese you know and it's lots of people I follow and that's like my reality but yeah but I sort of
then I get really frustrated when when people don't have a clue what's going on there
exactly exactly it's it's it's kind of tricky it's kind of tricky because you really in in times like these you
really get a sense of how you know in moments like those where you confront that in real life
it's like okay so like my my perception of reality is like slightly skewed by the internet you know
yeah in ways that i am aware and not aware of in ways that other people are aware not aware of so it's
interesting but back to when we view right when we view i think is also like a path for
decolonization you know sort of a way to let go of a lot of the western norms and impositions and
speech and dress and label and lifestyle and knowledge and social norms and relationships
etc and adopting ways of life that account for our cultures and conditions free of those mental binds. I think that is the power of Ben-Rivir. So I guess another question
arises, who or where or when did Ben-Rivir come from? And so the radical questioning that birthed
Ben-Rivir was made possible within several indigenous traditions in south america which as i said
culturally lacked certain concepts of development or progress and so the contribution of indigenous
knowledge to brand revere continues to be the sort of critical thread the associated values
and experiences and practices and worldviews of went to view already existed in in some form
before the arrival of um european conquistadors but they were before the arrival of European conquistadors,
but they were, over the process of colonization,
silenced and marginalized and even openly opposed.
Guinevere is part of a long, like you say, long quest,
a long pursuit of alternative lifestyles forged from the passionate battles of indigenous peoples and nations seeking uh new
ways of life seeking freedom from the latin america and the quintessential latin american
oligarchal nation state which is of course rooted in colonialism and neoliberalism and so we are seeing through ben revere within ben revere outside of ben revere
adjacent to ben revere utopias in the making the imagination the imagining of utopias of the andes
and of the amazon that are shaping discourse they're shaping political projects that are
shaping social and cultural and economic
practice the good life when revered is not something that is unique to latin america of
course it has been practiced in many different epochs and regions of this earth it's been known
by many different names the concepts were known by many different names in ecuador it's known as
suma kawase which is a kichwa wording for a fullness of life and community
together with other persons and nature.
In Bolivia, the Aymara concept for it is called sumacamana.
In the Mapuche in Chile, in Guarani in Paraguay,
in the Kuna in Panama, the Shuar in Aqours,
in Ecuadorian Amazon, the Maya in Guatemala,
in Chiapas Mexico
and of course
the African
tomb
Ubuntu
and the Indian
concept of
Swaraj
they're all
these sorts of
threads
of what a
good life
good life
and community
radical ecological
democracy
and community
all of these
sort of
concepts
are sort of
threaded within
developing different in
different forms in different contexts however um the concept has also been adopted in some sense
by certain states most notably bolivia and ecuador recently bolivia you know rewrote its constitution establishing itself as a plurinational
state and they've taken the term they call it the Caribbean they're trying to basically propose
an economic model that accommodates various diverse cultural origins in ecuador um the conceptual
framework is a bit different they take one view and they use it as a sort of a described as a set
of rights uh rights to shelter to health to education to food to the environment so it's
less of an ethical principle more of a complex set of rights that are also found in Western traditions,
but also include the right to freedom, participation, to communities, to protection, and to nature.
Part of that recognition of the right to nature and the fundamental right to water has led to the banning of any form of privatization of water and also the promotion of leaving crude oil in Ecuadorian Amazon below the ground.
However, I feel like I need to point out that I don't believe the state is compatible with the essence of Wendivere,
with the practice of Wendivere.
And so the use of those concepts in state propaganda,
in state rebranding efforts, aren't necessarily encouraging to me.
They don't necessarily make such states the power cons
that they would paint themselves to be.
Because to me uh when we can
only really be uh grassroots concepts so i think we must be you know careful of falling into that
trap of accepting uh you know state propaganda and on the good life um you know compromising
compromising the concept and allowing it to be co-opted or watered down.
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podcasts. Check out betteroffline.com. As I previously noted, i think there's a major overlap between the concept of degrowth and the
idea of ben vivier i both agree that one of the fundamental problems is you know this idea
of this constant commercialization of societal fabric and of nature of you know this criticism
of capitalism this criticism of the way that progress development and economic
growth are understood and implemented um and so they almost they sort of complement each other
right because i think a criticism people have of degrowth is that it's this destructive thing it's
this negative thing it's negative framing and so in a sense when we're in degrowth can sort of be
coupled uh degrowth as the quote-unquote missile word, destructive,
while Buen Vivir is presenting a constructive alternative.
As we attempt to progress, to move away from capitalism,
to transition to new systems, there's a lot to learn.
We have a lot we can learn from various non-capitalist practices around the world.
I think Buen Vivir is a concept that really tries to look at the ways that we have harmoniously coexisted as humans in our environment.
And the ways that, you know, a good life can be combined with deep growth efforts.
degrowth efforts. There's also a measure of fluidity present in Buen Vivir that seeks a balance socially, ecologically, politically, economically, and encompasses within that balance people plants and animals there's not separate
nature from society as found in classical western dualism and that sort of perspective is necessary
if we were to move beyond the exploitation of nature for the purpose of accumulating capital
that has really placed us in this mess and even even in that, in recognizing that we need to move beyond exploitation of nature,
baked into that, because we are part of nature,
is a recognition that we need to stop exploiting humans.
That we need to recognize human beings as part of a community,
that we are not just atomized individuals.
That we are in communities, that we must be just atomized individuals, that we are in communities,
that we must be part of communities,
that our communities, the people within them,
and the lands we are part of must cooperate in harmony.
I think there's a challenge to Bonneville.
Of course, Bonneville is not restricted to the countryside,
but it did originate there.
I think the challenge of Bonneville is to restricted to the countryside but it did originate there I think the challenge of Bonneville
is to confront today's urban
spaces where much of humanity's population
lives
to find ways to deal with the environment
respectfully and with solidarity in
an urban
setting to find, to conceptualize
a good life for and in
cities. We can't exactly expect
everybody to move to the
countryside um nor should everybody um and so we need to find ways that city life urbanized life
can be reconstructed and so one potential uh sort of way that has manifested uh is through the
transition towns movement,
which you can look more into.
That's something that interests you,
where people are basically attempting to take control of their communities
in order to survive the challenge that is climate change
and to create sustainable economies and ecologies
wherever they find themselves.
Movements can be found in many different countries.
You might even find it in your area, in your country.
Look it up.
It has a lot in common with the concept of Buen Viver.
Like I said, I feel that there are so many different movements
and ideas and philosophies with the same ideas
that seem to feel like they're on the rise.
that seem to feel like they're on the rise.
Ultimately, I believe Bonneville is highly subversive.
I believe it looks not to return to the past or to get caught up in any kind of strict rules or impositions.
It seeks a good life.
It seeks to oppose colonialism and its consequences,
to encourage new, more sustainable ways of living,
drawn from old examples and models,
and to really create a horizontal society,
to create a cooperative society,
to develop self-management instead of new forms
of top-down governance,
one that rejects both the market and the state as solutions to our issues and looks to ourselves.
One that rejects the market and the state as potential solutions and looks to ourselves.
The idea of development is an almost zombie category, as some writers have described it.
It's supposed to be dead, and yet it lives.
And so Buen Viver provides us an opportunity to move away from development and look towards Buen Viver.
It recognizes that while we may never create a perfect life,
we can create
a good life.
That's it.
Thanks, Aaron. That was pretty interesting. I like that.
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Welcome to Gracias Come Again, a podcast by Honey German,
where we get real and dive straight into todo lo actual y viral.
We're talking musica, los premios, el chisme,
and all things trending in my cultura.
I'm bringing you all the latest happening
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and some fun and impactful interviews
with your favorite Latin artists, comedians,
actors, and influencers.
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