It Could Happen Here - Caribbean Slave Revolts, Ft. Saint Andrew

Episode Date: March 30, 2022

Saint Andrew joins us to talk about the history of slavery in the Caribbean as well as the rebellions and slave revolts.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The podcast where we go, ah, every episode. When you open too many podcasts, you lose the ability to open podcasts. Anyway, St. Andrew, this is your episode, so I'm going to let you take it away. Take us on a journey. Hello, hello, hello, hello. Hi. G'day. Good afternoon and good night. Today we just wanted to cover a rather broad topic. I don't even know if it's going to be released before the end of February. Probably not. know if it's going to be released before the end of February probably not but in honor of Black History Month I wanted to cover the history of Caribbean resistance to slavery and the different

ways that manifested across the Caribbean. For those who don't know, slavery in the Caribbean took place for several hundred years, beginning with the enslavement of the Amerindians and continuing up until the abolition of slavery in 1834, at least in British territories. 1834 at least in British territories. Um, before then there were multiple struggles, um, against the institution, both passive and active and in every step of the process. Um, and then of course, postvery, there were also multiple rebellions and generally the different forms of resistance that took place starting with of course the resistance that took place in africa i mean even before enslaved people were put on these ships even before they were captured there were measures that were taken to protect themselves

from enslavement there was of course flight in the sense of running away um but there was also evidence of africans moving their villages to inaccessible areas like mountains or um or deeper into the forest where it's less accessible for enslaved people, sorry, for enslavers to try to capture their people. One of the more famous enslaved people, Oluwada Ikwaino, he founded a society in Britain after being enslaved and taken to the Caribbean and eventually moving to Britain after becoming a freedman and starting the Sons of Africa abolitionist group. He had written his own autobiography, The Interesting Narrative of the Life of Oluwadah Ikwaino in 1789 and he detailed some of the

horrors of slavery from an enslaved person's perspective and so a lot of what we know about slavery and how it occurred comes from his personal account among others of course. So he spoke about some of the measures that were taken in his own village to defend against capture. But after being captured, of course, from the Kingdom of Benin around 1745, he ended up being taken on the slave ships, separated from his families,

and carried with 244 other people across the Atlantic to Barbados, and then eventually taken to Virginia, and then from Virginia being bought by a Royal Navy lieutenant and eventually being freed. During the voyages that occurred, and there were multiple during the whole triangle trade, it has been said that one in ten of all Atlantic crossings through the middle passage had some kind of rebellion. Whether it be through taking control of the ships and attempting to sail them back to Africa with the assistance of the crew or without, or of Africans battling against other ships. Or in one case in Amistad in 1839, some Africans were taken captive aboard a cargo ship and they freed themselves, killed the captain and the cook

and forced them to take them back to Sierra Leone. But instead, the owners of the ship ended up taking them to the United States where they were captured by the Coast Guard. Yeah. It's a lot.

One slave ship surgeon a guy named Alexander Falkenbridge became an abolitionist because he saw all the first of all he saw the horrible conditions that were present on those ships

in the middle passage where you know hundreds of people were shackled together and crammed into these tight enclosed dark wet infected spaces for weeks on end while being taken across and of course a lot of the so-called cargo the people who were on route to be enslaved were killed by the conditions present on those slave ships however despite the fact that you know so many people were dying from the terrible conditions of the ships the slave trade was so profitable for the um enslavers and for the economies of the colonial nations, that they were still not only able to break even,

but profit massively from the excursions. And even though the Middle Passage got more and more dangerous for crews as rebellions became more and more expected, more dangerous for crews as rebellions became more and more expected production for more shackles more weaponry to keep captives secured arose in england and helped to secure some of their um travels of course there were also times where africans would burn the ships they were on or where they would jump off of the ships, as I'm sure many people remember. Killmonger's famous final words in Black Panther. And from what I remember, the first enslaved people who arrived in Hispaniola immediately ran away and were able to escape before being recaptured. Once enslaved people arrived in the horrible conditions at the various colonies in the

Caribbean, one of the major projects of their colonial overlords was to convert them while in the process of enslaving them. Of course, a lot of enslaved people were dying very rapidly due to the diseases and the terrible working conditions they had to endure. But for those who did survive, separated from their families, from their ties to kinship, from really their home and everything that came along with it as displaced Indigenous people, they had to figure out ways to maintain and protect their cultures. From naming conventions to craftsmanship to language to philosophy to beliefs to music to dance.

These are all elements of African cultures that would provide psychological support for captives who need to resist the process of enslavement. Because enslavement is an act of breaking the will and erasing the humanity of the enslaved, practices like voodoo in Haiti or obia in Trinidad and Jamaica were able to strengthen the revolutionary efforts of rebellious Africans. And so in the Haitian revolution, you know, they were fueled by voodoo and the ceremonies that occurred then and were able to eventually, you know, free the people of Haiti and establish the first independent black republic in the new world in 1804. Welcome. I'm Danny Thrill. Won't you join me at the fire and dare enter?

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through the melding and the hiding in some cases of elements of African culture with European cultural forms to create these new cultures and new languages. create these new cultures and new languages. Creole is one example, particularly Antillian Creole, which is related to Haitian Creole. These languages helped to maintain some measure of identity for people who were actively being stripped of it. for people who are actively being stripped of it. Women, in particular, played a major role in this process of cultural resistance and cultural preservation because in African societies, African societies were often matrilineal and matrilocal and women played a key role in passing traditions on to their daughters and other young women and to the community at large through storytelling and through

the sharing of skills and beliefs and ideas and so afghan women played a major role in keeping that tradition going and that lineage going maintaining the memory of people like Anansi and Brer Rabbit and Mamadou and Soukouillant and all these other folkloric figures who bear the marks of African traditions. of African traditions. Women under slavery also had to do what they could to resist the consistent violence, sexual violence that was being done to them by their colonial masters um abortion and um birth control um and other forms of resistance against sexual assault resisting their masters feigning illness all these things worked to not necessarily protect them, but to keep them going and try to stave off the worst elements of violence that was being done to them. As I mentioned, the Haitian revolution and it being fueled by voodoo and whatnot, it really scared planters across the Caribbean and across the world, really. This was the first time something like this had ever happened before. And I'm sure the U.S. audience knows a bit about the consequences in the U.S., how Southern you know, Southern slave masters were so terrified by

the Asian Revolution, how France imposed restrictions on Haiti, and how the U.S. and other European powers were complicit in that attempt to strangle the first Black Republic. attempt to strangle the first black republic but there were cases in other parts of the caribbean where planters um in their terror used the haitian revolution as an excuse to crack down on the enslaved um for example in trinidad in the christmas of 1805 the Haitian revolution ended in 1804 so in Christmas of 1805 the planters were so afraid and had already seen some acts of poisoning that were occurring on some of the estates because part of the cultural resistance involved the passing down of certain recipes and poisons and concoctions. And so many enslavers, you know, fell victim, quote unquote, to poisoners. And so they had to try to find a way to prevent what they saw was a planned uprising.

They basically invented this idea of a conspiracy in their paranoia that was meant to wipe out this entire slave-owning population turned out in one go so of course as historians have uncovered the conspiracy most likely didn't actually exist or maybe perhaps not to the scale that um the slave owners thought but it was more so an attempt um by the planters to impose greater authoritarian rule as christmas day in 1805 approached the details of this conspiracy of this plot started to be uncovered by the planters they thought that you know at this place called shan's estate enslaved people were organizing to launch the revolution and of course this terrified them because at that point in time, the enslaved population was somewhere around 20,000, whereas the white slave-owning class was like half that number. And so the authorities declared martial law and apprehended those involved, if they were even involved. Oftentimes they were not.

involved if they were even involved oftentimes they were not but it does bring attention to an important part of enslaved resistance and that being the conspiracy and actual existence of slave secret societies secret societies are something that are something that's common in the African mainland, where tribal rights and initiations and advancements through those rights in secret groupings would occur to sort of denote levels of rank or maturity. And so in Trinidad slave society, as different tribes mixed and mingled on plantations, for security reasons, these secret societies continued, but had assimilated some European systems of order and designation. So they gave themselves names like Major or Captain

and described their societies as regiments. And the echoes, the descendants of those societies, still exist to this day in Trinidad. They are highly obscured. I honestly don't know much details about them. I just know that i have some friends whose relatives um are involved in those secret societies and in some places like for example grancouver where enslaved people seized the land and sort of held that land and kept it and passed it down across the generations um such secret

societies and membership in such secret societies is not unheard of so is is what did the modern ish versions of them do like what what what what are they doing i guess guess? Like, these days, if that's something that is... I don't know much about them or how they operate. Yeah, and so I don't think all secret societies in Trinidad are descended from enslaved secret societies. Like, obviously not. There are other secret societies. There are societies of doctors and of lawyers and different trades.

There are, of course, Mason groups as well. And I only know the most superficial details of most of these groups. Yeah, it's an interesting thing that comes up a lot. of most of these groups. Yeah, it's an interesting thing that comes up a lot. There's a whole bunch of these sort of secret society groups that wind up being part of the 1911 revolution in China, but they sort of like

most of them kind of go bandit after the revolution happens, and so it's interesting to see I guess different contexts where they don't seem to have just overtly turned into organized crime groups. What's the organized crime groups descended from secret societies in china yeah the triads for example yeah i actually don't think the triad descended from them a couple of

them joined the communists a lot of them kind of got wiped out in the sort of just general warlord fighting and then some of them kind of got stomped up by the communists because they were basically turned into organized, like their own organized crime things that were sort of distinct from the other ones that existed, but right. Welcome. I'm Danny Thrill.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother, trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian.

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Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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In one case, in 1733, during amina rebellion on saint john which is part of the danish fusion islands or was part of the danish fusion islands the african insurgents took control of the island for six months before being defeated and the most slave rebellions really occurred in jamaica in fact more than all the other colonies, more than all the other British colonies in the Caribbean combined. One of the most famous of the Jamaican rebellions was one that started in 1760 by a man known as Tacky. And it lasted for over a year before being suppressed by British colonial forces. being suppressed by British colonial forces. Because Jamaica's population was massively, overwhelmingly black in comparison to the very small minority of large slave-holding whites,

they were more likely to launch and more likely to succeed in slave revolts. Slave revolts are more likely to happen, of course, where slaves outnumber whites, where masters are absent, where there's economic distress, where there are splits within the ruling elite, and when, you know, large numbers of native-born Africans from one area are brought in one time, which is why they often had to split up

the people that they captured so they wouldn't be able to collaborate with their kin. We often remember the flashier forms of revolt such as the revolt in Saint Joseph in 1837 led by Daga who was a former African chief in Guinea and the leader of the first British West India Regiment. He mutinied along with 240 men and although they were taken into custody and

sentenced to death, they marked just one example of the sort of bold actions that were taken by enslaved people in Tobago in the year 1770, there were numerous armed revolts over the next 11 years from 1770 to 1801. Six armed revolts, one led by an enslaved man named Sandy in 1770, two in 1771,

one in June and the other in August, one in 1773, another in 1774, another in 1801. And so these revolts were not concentrated in one specific area of the island, they would happen in some cases over the entire island. Tobago was of course separate from Trinidad until 1899 where it became a ward of Trinidad and Tobago. And so their histories, the history of Trinidad and the history of Tobago, were running separately for the first couple hundred years of the age of colonization. But Tobago's history of resistance is still connected in some ways to Trindade's history of resistance in the sense of the bold actions that were taken by enslaved people. Of course, not all resistance to slavery was so bold. Day-to-day resistance was by far the most common

form of opposition to slavery, whether it be through feigning illness, staging slowdowns, pretending ignorance, deliberate carelessness, arson, sabotage, breaking tools. they reinforced previously held perceptions of enslaved Africans at the time. They also were ways of enslaved people to express their alienation and to sort of carve some level of space or breathing room or to give themselves some sense of catharsis in that brutal period and so what we see is a sort of continuum of resistance from that sort of individual level of slowing down or feigning ignorance or what or whatever to the sort of broader cultural or whatever, to the sort of broader cultural methods of passive resistance, such as cultivating and passing down culture and cultural memories to the more bold aspects of resistance, such as revolts and rebellions and revolutions. And of course, there was the practice of maroonage, both petite and grand

maroonage. Petite maroonage was an effort by individuals or groups of enslaved people to escape from their plantations, permanently sometimes, but usually for a limited amount of time, to escape mistreatment, to negotiate better treatment, or to even just catch a break, honestly. Grand maroonage is more commonly understood and recognized where communities of fugitive slaves would establish communities on the fringes in the early 16th century, when the first enslaved Africans were brought to the Caribbean by the Spanish. and unite with them in their resistance, in carving out settlements or strongholds of safety. For example, in 1546 in Hispaniola, there were over 7,000 Maroons among a slave population of 30,000.

After the island was split between the French Santo Domingo, which is now known as Haiti, and the Spanish Santo Domingo, which is Dominican Republic, in 1697, Maroons took advantage of the hostility between France and Spain to maintain settlements along the border between the two throughout the period of slavery. In addition, there were Maroons in Cuba, in Puerto Rico, and in some cases with Puerto Rico, fugitive slaves from the Virgin Islands would literally set sail to Puerto Rico to settle and escape the enslavement there. In Jamaica, of course, there were many maroon

communities, and in fact, there is still an active maroon community in Jamaica to this day that has persisted and maintained their traditions. In St. Kitts, in Antigua, in Barbados, in Martinique and Guadeloupe, all of these islands have had maroon communities established. maroon communities established um however as european cultivation of the islands increased as europeans ventured further and further into the islands into the depths of the islands it became more and more difficult to establish maroon settlements because if you look at especially some of the smaller islands it's kind of difficult to hide or to establish any sort of sustainable community on the fringes of an island that you could easily jog from one side to the other. Or, you know, walk from one side to the other. Of course, even on those smaller islands, there were still attempts to maintain maroon settlements, such as in St. Vincent or Dominica. In St. Vincent, the Garifuna, which are an indigenous group who mixed with Africans,

preserved their independence against both French and the British. And they ended up spreading to, if I recall correctly, Central America as well. And so the Garifuna community is still very much alive and well to this day. In Jamaica and Cuba and Guadalupe and Hispaniola, maroon communities were able to last longer because they had more mountainous terrain to hide in, particularly in Jamaica. But there were also maroon communities on the south

american mainland you know in brazil there was the famous maroon community or quilombo known as palmares which has existed for nearly 100 years from 1605 to 1694 there is a civil invasion by both the Dutch and Portuguese and had at least 10,000 organized members ready to defend their population. But they, unfortunately, were eventually destroyed. In the Guyanas, French Guyana, British Guyana, which is now called Guyana, Dutch Guyana, which is now called Suriname, maroon communities were also able to establish themselves. persist to this day due to the Amazon rainforest and the riverways that allowed them to conceal themselves from colonial encroachment. Of course, in the U.S., there were also maroon communities like the Black Seminoles of Florida or the maroon communities in, I believe it was Louisiana. the maroon communities in um i believe it was louisiana in most places of course maroon communities were not very large um or often did not last very long they're usually small guerrilla bands led by an elected chief but of course these small bands in there, although they were small, that sort of protected them to some extent from detection and from recapture.

In Cuba, for example, there were hundreds of small maroon communities and they were guarded and they had their settlements guarded by ditches and stakes and secret paths. And these settlements communicated with each other while remaining isolated so they could grow their own crops and hunt and fish and trade in peace, sometimes with other islands, in order to prevent, again, capture and destruction. I think there's a lot that we can learn from the different forms of resistance, small and destruction. I think there's a lot that we can learn from the different forms of resistance, small and large, that enslaved people undertook

throughout the period of colonial settlement and expansion and enslavement. Elements of their practices that I think could be applied to today's struggles. Joel, any thoughts before we wrap? yeah one thing I kind of want to plug is Russell Maroon Schultz wrote

a really interesting I I don't know exactly what the name for it, essay I guess called the dragon in the hydra which is yes study yeah yeah it's called dragon the hydra study of historical study of organizational methods and it's about basically a comparison of like different different kinds of resistance to

uh colonialism and enslavement that talks a lot about the maroon movement talks about sort of the the the the problems that these sort of like highly centralized top-down movements ran into versus the kind of stuff that the that these sort of more decentralized uh less hierarchical maroon movements face and it's it's really interesting and i it's pretty short so everyone should just read it because it's great yeah yeah yeah he covers the u.s haiti suriname and jamaica and you know how those different maroon communities dealt with their conditions i'm pretty sure you wrote this from prison too if i'm remembering my timeline history correctly yes i highly recommend

folks give that a read i mean i don't want to give the impression that maroon communities were these like valiant utopias i mean in some cases maroon communities were manipulated um against the other and often in exchange for maintaining their autonomy they were made to sign treaties where they would have to turn in fugitives so it was not by any means a perfect yeah situation to be in but they were trying to carve out their survival yeah i guess do you want to plug your stuff so you can find me on Twitter at underscore Saint Drew and on YouTube, Saint Andrewism, where I have lots of stuff. I mean, if you were interested in, for example, the details of how spirituality played a role in African resistance, I have a video on that. in how Oluwadah Ikwainu established the Sons of Africa group and how that was one of the foundations of what eventually became the Pan-Africanist movement. I have a video on Pan-Africanism that you could check out.

So yeah, that's it for me. That was great. I didn't know there were still Maroon communities, actually. Yeah, yeah. The one in Jamaica, the one in Suriname, they are still very much alive and well. Yeah, that's fascinating.

Ah, St. Andrew, thank you for that. That was wonderful. And that's our episode for today. So go home and doom scroll for several hours, probably. Or do something productive. Or take a nap. Go outside.

Take a nap. Walk outside or something. Pet a cat. Bake some cookies. Hand out food to people who are hungry. Bake some cookies and then hand out the cookies to people who need it. Or doom scroll. All productive things that are gonna

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