It Could Happen Here - CES 2025: AI Toys Are Coming For Your Kids

Episode Date: January 14, 2025

Robert and Garrison round up all the horrifying childcare products with AI jammed in them from CES 2025.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I did because I was catastrophically hungover after getting very drunk with the priest last night. We had a nice dinner and then we set out to experience a fresh new hell. And in this case, that fresh new hell was what the AI bros have ready for your children. No, it's funny how we both stumbled across AI products for kids, like the same day during the exact same time. Yeah, it really is remarkable that like, yeah, I guess in part just because like that is such a focus.

I think it has something to do with what you saw some of yesterday where, and I had caught a little the day before where they're like, yeah, they don't really like this stuff. We're going to have to get around it. Like obviously this is inevitable, but like people really also seem to not enjoy it very much. No one can explain why. But I think that this may be like, okay, well, if we get them when they're young enough,

if we train these kids, we can force this on them and they'll have no choice but to like it. And it's interesting you say that because the first thing I did today was go to a panel at the Venetian titled, Raising AI Kids Responsibly, which is maybe the best title for any single panel. Yeah, that's that's fucked up. The description was, a new generation of kids are being brought up with AI technologies as a part of their lives. How does this affect their learning, entertainment, and socialization?

Which is a good question! Yeah, we should be asking that. More people should. There was four people on the panel. Karen Ruth Wong from EIDO PlayLab Partnerships, Nilo Lewick from Sky Rocket Toys, Melissa Hunter from Family Video Network, and Joshua Garrett from Ready Land. PlayLab partnerships, Nilo Lewick from Skyrocket Toys, Melissa Hunter from Family Video Network, and Joshua Garrett from Readyland. And I'll talk about all these different companies and people in a sec. Yeah, so the panel started with Karen Ruth Wong from EIDO, which is the company that first partnered with Sesame Workshop to start making online apps.

So that was interesting to me because Sesame Workshop generally puts a lot of care into making media for children. to start making online apps. how AI is affecting Gen Z, I'm just going to play a series of clips. Couldn't be more excited. I'll be sharing this morning a little bit about what we're learning. That question is, what if the tech savvy generation isn't buying it anymore? We have a lot of really interesting opinions and assumptions in our heads that these are the ones that are going to be the first users and the first viewers. And in many ways they are, but they're the ones that also come with the most informed opinions, not just about how badly the tech feels, how cringy some of them might be landing,

but also how it's affecting their sense of humanity. That's fascinating. Yeah, the very first thing, this is literally like minutes into the panel, this is like after they do their introductions, the first thing to talk about is how Gen Z is both an early adopter of new tech, but they're also kind of the most AI critical.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's cringy. Yeah, like it feels cringy and not just that, how it's affecting people's like sense of humanity and viewing this like, you know, in some ways as like an obstacle to get over. But also this is I'm not sure how I feel about about like, you know, Karen and the company she's representing here, because in some ways I felt like she was probably actually good. She just had to frame all of the things she was saying as like shocking revelations to all these tech bros. Be like, actually, it turns out kids surprisingly don't want their lives run by AI. Yeah, don't want to communicate only with AI. I actually like what she was saying, it's just her presentation of it felt kind of odd at times

because of who the audience was. Do you get the feeling that she was like a bad person trying to help like other bad people sell poison to children or somebody who was trying to like in a way that these guys would listen to tell them that what they're doing isn't working? Maybe like 2080. So like a little bit of like, yeah, we have to sell some of this. But mostly it felt like trying to inform people about how this isn't really what people want. So like a little bit of like, yeah, we have to sell some of this. But mostly it felt like trying to inform people about how this isn't really what people want. And you know, it has a lot of actual like drop backs. Here's a clip of Karen talking about the sort of questions that they're asking kids to, you know, get data on how they feel about AI.

Here's a few provocative ones. We really put tangible expressions of what it would be like to interact with a potential AI tool. And so we ask questions like, okay, you recently had a friend breakup. What kind of intervention do you want? Do you want someone to counsel you through that process? Or do you want someone to kind of replace that friend for the time being, just so you can, you know,

back yourself out from that relationship? So by asking really tangible questions, by putting prototypes in front of you, we were able to co-design to few insights. This one always gets all audience members. We put out a provocational expression of, imagine you could have an AI trained on your preferences, on your personalities, live your life for you.

Imagine they could swipe your Tinder for you, they would have the icky conversations, or they would go through the awkward introductions, you know, new person in school, and we heard some really interesting things. I wanna go on a bad date for myself and I wanna have that bad vacation. There was a really interesting sign

that being able to live life for yourself is a badge of honor. Being able to live life for yourself is a badge of honor. Being able to live life for yourself is a badge of honor. Amazing that human beings don't want a robot to replace them in such drudgery as the search for love and human connection. Incredible that teens aren't interested in letting a robot go on dates for them. No, it's super interesting. And like even like the first thing she said about, you know, you like lost some

friends. Do you want an AI to like, to, you know, like counsel you or like, you know, like, like, like talk about your feelings? Or do you want a friend replacement? And no, people don't want a friend replacement. And this even like, otter question of like, you know, like AI swiping your Tinder for you, trying to figure out what your preferences are. And no, like Gen Z wants to live life for themselves. It's odd because like-

Yeah, because that's what being a person is. That's what being a person is, right. But like it's odd how that's framed as like a surprising revelation. It's kind of an odd panel to go to. like, you know, relationships as a human being, right? Especially if you're being asked questions about, you know, would you let an AI like meet someone that you want to date first, have them go through like a first like fake AI date to like get through like icebreaker questions or something? The amount of people I meet who feel that way about like their digital twins or like who take pride in having like an AI trained off of their social

media posts at events like these. It's shocking to me because like, do you feel good about saying that a chatbot you feel like it is you that you have trained a chatbot to be a reasonable simulacrum of yourself? Do you feel good about thinking that? Does that make you happy about yourself? Well, and the data that this person was talking about showed no, like people actually don't want about thinking that? pretty basic uses. Yeah, it saves me from having to spell certain words too many times. Yeah, but we don't want it to go on dates for us. And the whole part of being human is having a degree of bad experiences and that helps shape us as people.

And this isn't like a hurdle to get over. This is like a part of what it means to be human. And she kind of talked about that a little bit more in this last clip that I'll play. The next one here. I refer to give opportunities to people over technology. I think these are the ones, again, that you've seen what it's like when people feel replaced. I'll definitely share a lot more, but starting off with a few key learnings. Gen Z is valid advice and perspective from lived experience.

There's something about designing for friction. I'm going to do it again, designing for friction. In our age of optimization, in our age of assuming that everything should move as fast as possible to make life as smooth as possible, there's something about the challenge and that comes back to play, right? Why would we spend so much time to hit a ball several hundred yards away? There's something about the joy of achieving, the joy of overcoming challenge, the joy of moving through your first friend breakup,

your boyfriend or girlfriend breakup that makes you into a person. And as many times as helicopter parents or as people who are designing technology assume that the smoothest possible path is the best possible path, there's some pushback there. Some pushback. Some pushback. To the idea that like, you should live a life. Your one precious life should be lived. No, but there's a whole bunch of interesting stuff there. Um, Gen Z has great fears about being replaced.

Yeah. You know, like having, having like a workforce replacement. Gen Z prefers to actually like make connections and network with other people our age and actually like make connections and network with other people our age and actually like share opportunities. Yeah. In previous panels, this was something that was also talked about how millennials were way more like selective about like sharing like employment opportunities because they

were like so focused on like making sure that they make it. And there's a lot more like like open collaboration and sharing sharing opportunities. It's harder. So you guys have to be better about that. Yeah, yeah. No, talking about, you know, there's value in something being challenging. That was very interesting, because the surprise about that, because it is this kind of, I'm sure most of these people were born to wealth and privilege,

and the first thing that people do with money, the primary reason to have money is to reduce friction. The fact that that's surprising to anyone, like, no, no, like, friction is necessary. Otherwise, you're not a person. I mean, it's like that. It's like the the ghoul we we saw the other night, right? Like, you know, they're just not really people, you know, one thing she kind of closed on in this section is talking about how how Gen Z does not trust AI to understand the nuance of their lives. Especially in this age of tech optimization. That misses a part of what it means to feel proud of yourself and the work that you've done.

Something she talked about at the very end of the panel was how they hadn't factored in Gen Z, and people in general, will feel proud about making a piece of art. And they don't have that same sense of pride for an AI-generated image. Whether it's a screenplay, whether it's whatever. Someone gave an example of like, I have a kid who does creative stuff, they edit videos, right? And there is AI tools that make editing videos easier. But if the AI does all the work, they don't feel happy about that. They don't feel proud. They don't feel happy about that. Like, they don't feel proud.

They don't feel like they've actually achieved something. And you have to feel proud about the work that you've done. So, like, there's actually a sense of, like, ownership over, like, the art that we create. An exact quote was, quote, you can't eliminate life formative aspects, unquote. Which is like, yes, like... We could just call life, yeah, if you don't ever do anything. I'm happy someone at CES is saying this.

The fact that it needs to be said at all. Very bleak. Very sad. It's really bleak. Yeah. Dating people, making friends, being social, doing whatever it is you do for a living as yourself is what life is. Yeah. I think the last thing that you talked about was like, Gen Z aren't technophobes, but they do have strong boundaries. Yeah, good. yourself is what life is. social media. So we have strong boundaries on how tech integrates into our lives.

And a lot of the way these tech bros want AI to become more invasive. We are not super into. No. All they're offering people is like, this machine will do everything that you actually want to do with your time. And also you won't have a job. Like that's what big tech is promising, Jin Z. Yeah. So that's why I started my day. Speaking of Gen Z, Z stands for zillions of dollars that we'll get

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So this was actually pretty interesting. The fact that it's simply not even generating new content makes it miles better than any of these other AI kids' products. That it's actually just kind of using some of the tech that makes up AI to allow you to make something humans wrote more reactive. Exactly, yeah. It's actually a pretty interesting piece of technology. And it's not just Alexa reading a storybook. It has a large interactive element that makes the Alexa part actually useful. He did say oh good, but the AI content both comes from the input and the output He talked about guardrails, you know, he said, you know chat GPT does have internal guardrails, but the reliability is suspect

Which there certainly is considering just last week. There was a piece of news about chat GPT helping someone build a bomb Yeah, yeah, which they used in just this magical city. Yes So he did say that like guardrail reliability can be suspect. But there is a difference when you have certainly like more like child friendly features turned on. But he admitted that like moderation is part of the challenge.

I don't know. Basically, how this works is you have an app synced up with this A.I. Teddy Bear that talks with a not very pleasing voice. Oh, I got to hear it. Do you want me to pull this up? Yes, absolutely. Okay.

But basically, you put in a whole bunch of story inputs, being like, I want the story set in this place, I want it featuring these types of characters, I want this archetype to be the villain. It has like dozens, if not hundreds of like archetypal things that you can click, and then the teddy bear will generate a new story. So it is generating new content, but with like pretty big characters, essentially. that you can click, and then the teddy bear will generate a new story. So it is generating new content, but with pre-baked characters, essentially. So then it'll stitch together the story.

The weirder you make the variables, the weirder the story is going to be. Let me play a clip for Robert here. Did you know that in Las Vegas where our story takes place, they have a gigantic Ferris wheel called the High Roller? It's taller than the Statue of Liberty. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so,

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because it does not make an appealing ad for the product. No, so it doesn't sound good. So yeah, they generated a story set in CES in Las Vegas. And he would occasionally interrupt the bear to explain what it was doing. So that was the other product. Not nearly as polished or really as thoughtful as the AI storybook. But maybe if you are tired of having to talk to your kid, you can just get one of these teddy bears to throw in front.

Raise it. I mean, it looks like you could probably handle all of the physical contact they need too. So you don't even need to ever touch your child. And in fact, you can just have chat GPT, route that through the bear, and never even see your own flesh and blood. Like I think ideally, you would have them cut out of there,

you know, really surgically remove that baby, you know, a month or two early. and that way you can kind of absolutely minimize the amount of time that you ever spend in contact with your spawn. One other thing I will add is that the Readyland guy, the AI story book, specifically went talking about, you know, the importance of guardrails. He said that there's multiple levels to safety, right? An AI kids robot that swears, right, is one thing that's pretty easy to avoid actually. That's pretty easy.

There's a limited number of swear words, right? And you can just block out certain things from happening. You can build that in. But another aspect that's really important to safety is the accuracy of the things it's saying. What if it's saying something that's supposed to be some factual statement about the world that just isn't true or could actually lead to danger? What if it tells your kid to do something which is actually kind of dangerous? factual statement about the world that just isn't true or could actually lead to danger, right? What if it tells your kid to do something which is actually kind of dangerous?

Or what if it says, like, not even directly telling them, but, you know, it says something that if the kid then tries to do that, it's really dangerous. And like, this is why their storybook program, you know, does not generate new content. So everything it says is like is already pre-approved. Like it already is going to have, you know, like verified, like verified, safe sentences says is already pre-approved. It's already going to have verified safe sentences versus this AI teddy bear, because it is generating new content. It could, if things go horribly wrong, talk about drinking bleach. Theoretically, just something. Things can go wrong.

It's not just about avoiding bad words or talking about sex or, you know, those types of like, like inappropriate things. It's also making sure it's not like hallucinating or saying things that could like lead to like dangerous situations. Right. Well, the good news is that I don't think these are going to be wildly successful products. I mean, I guess we'll see, but these are super expensive. And like, did he get a price point for that bear? I did not hear a price point for the bear. I'm curious as to what they're going to be charging for it. I mean, we'll see if any of this stuff really does take off. I wouldn't consider it optimism to hope this stuff takes off,

but like they don't seem like great products to me. So I guess we'll see. I read something very interesting that is related exactly to the, and it probably was, he might've been talking about like that weird bear or something. I read something very interesting on the subject of like AI children's toys

from a guy who was like an AI developer. This was from a post on Twitter by Alex Volkov. I got my six-year-old daughter an AI toy for her birthday that arrived for Christmas instead. She unpacked it all excited I explained that this isn't like other toys that this one has AI in it She of course knows what AI is has seen the things I've built and interacted with them chatted with chat GBT in Santa mode knows that daddy is doing AI etc So a very interesting experiment happened after magical toys reached out and fixed the issue reference below

She started playing with this dyno chatted with it and then learned to turn it off and doesn't want it to talk anymore. She still loves playing with it, dressed it up, it now has paper shoes and the top hat that we made together, but every time I asked her if she'd like to chat with it, she says no. A few times it turned it back on and she did speak with it for a bit and then she just turned it off again, not wanting to engage. I gently asked why and I wasn't really able to understand where there's the resistance. It's not weird to her. In fact, at one point she was pretending the dino was a baby and was turned on. So I told her, let's ask it to pretend to be a baby and it obliged and said, okay. So he asked it to cry. Granted, they don't have an amazing advanced voice mode like OpenAI. So it did its best, but it sounded weird, which made her laugh

really hard. It was basically making crying sounds like talking. And also there are still technical issues. The voice is sometimes choppy, so it could be that it's still uncanny for her. I'm honestly fascinated about why the AI aspect of this didn't connect with my six-year-old. Because it's creepy! Because it's gr- people, they don't like it! Nobody wants this! Yeah.

Ick. Yeah, ick. I know this is a sample size of one kid here and I'm sure many, many things will change as she'll grow and learn to interact with more AIs in different forms. But the first toy contact was interestingly almost a complete failure.

That is interesting. Yeah, I find that fucking fascinating. Yeah, no one wants this. Even six year olds are like, eh, I would prefer just a regular toy I can play with. I would prefer, I'll pretend it's a robot, but I don't want it to be a robot that talks to me. So, Poe the AI Bear is $50 on Amazon.

Oh, that's not bad actually. No. That's good, okay, good. All right, well maybe, maybe. We can even maybe order one and see what we can get out of it. Yeah. All right. We're going to go on another break and return to talk once again about AI

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While you were at a different chunk of the event talking to yet another flying car company that promises to revolutionize the East with which we can all do 9-elevens. Super excited for that future, by the way. I stumbled upon the booth for a company called TCL. A pretty big company. A fairly large, yeah, large company make a lot of TVs, stuff like that.

They had a couple of things. They had an AI laundry machine. So many AI laundry bots. Yeah, this one was the worst because it's like this little, almost a soft, rounded pyramid shape. It hangs your laundry. They say they can't do folding yet. So it just sort of like picks up dry laundry and holds it. Like it just suspends it in the air. It suspends it in the air inside of itself.

And also it can only do a kilogram of laundry. The only thing they had in there was like handkerchiefs and scarves. So it's like probably a couple of thousand dollars, but you can, AI can clean your handkerchiefs and scarves. As opposed to my regular washing machine. Yeah, and they had a washing machine that it can identify and count exactly what clothes

are in it and how many of them there are. And it'll tell you the soil level and yada, yada, yada, yada. Like, I'm sure some people will want this shit, but it's like, yeah, only people who have a lot of money and want to spend it on a laundry machine. Because I don't see that it actually reduces the amount of work you need to do at this point. But the thing they had at the booth that caught my eye was a robot toy for kids. AI space me is the name of the robot. Baby Yoda was a partial inspiration because like a Furby.

Yeah, there's some Furby. There's some Porg in there. It's a two part toy. The interior part is like a swaddled up almost looking little Porg thing with a cute face. And the eyes are reasonably good. Like they did a decent job of the eyes not looking creepy, but like that blink and change color and contract and expand. And then it's got like two little flapper arms that can like wiggle and it's seated inside almost like the aliens in Independence Day. It's seated inside like this large rolling body frame that allows it to move around on the ground. And so it's supposed to like be your child's friend.

And the first thing that was upsetting to me, because they had this video ad that would play every so often. And it was very creepy. And, you know, I thought back to, um, when we were doing the interview with the guy who had like the robot for old people, he was like, it's very important. They did not tell them it loves them. That it like always reiterate that it's a them it loves them, that it like always reiterate that it's a false thing.

This robot just keeps telling the kid, I love you. Like I care for you. When the lady did a demo, she was like, it's a toy that actually knows and cares about your child. And like, no, it's not. No, it's not. Don't say that. That shouldn't be illegal for you to say that.

For you to sell this to children and tell them it's an intelligent being that loves them is like deeply abusive in my opinion Like that is actually child abuse because it's not alive Anyway, so I had to bring garrison over because you needed to see it Oh and saw it I did yeah, and I'm gonna play a little clip from the ad So I want you to hear the way this thing sounds. Every heartwarming moment shared and grown with Amy reminds us that this is what we call love. Nobody's in love.

And this is what we call AI. Oh my God. I found that profoundly upsetting. Oh my God. I found that profoundly upsetting. Disturbing. Yeah, your kid can like pick it up and like walk with it. It'll like talk to them. It'll make up stories. It'll like look at pictures your kid draws

and then generate them into like live AI videos. You can put a pin on and it will record stuff that your kid does and play it back to you at night as a video. So again, absolutely minimizing the amount of time you have to spend with your child. It's in the car. Yeah, it takes over your car so that like it's talking to you from the screens in your car. Like the video lecture, like taking taking this thing everywhere, like everywhere the kid goes.

It's like the kid's main interaction with the world. Yeah. Is with this little rolling rolling plastic Furby. And yeah, like talking about expressing love and how damaging this must be for a four year old to have the first thing that it constantly expressed love and affection for is this little rolling robot that you're going to throw in the garbage in four years when you're too old for it. How traumatizing and deeply fucked up up that's gonna be for your, for like your sense of self and like love and affection.

The mix of things that we're trying to have this do, like the other ones were built as toys. This was built as like a friend for your child. As well as like a home assistant. Yeah, it's supposed to also act as like it'll change that you can hook it into your smart home so it can change the temperature. Like they did a little in-person demo We're like a woman pretending to be a mom talked with it about like planning planned a birthday party for her kid with it Yeah

And it like put food in her Amazon cart and like change the temperature inside because more people were coming over One of the things they advertise is a security, where it travels around your house at night and acts as a sentry watching your home. Like, wild stuff. No, it was honestly, I've seen a few disturbing things. You know, all of the new drone tech to have solar-powered drones that can stay in the air to drop bombs is bad. But this type of stuff is really dehumanizing.

It really viscerally upsets me. Yeah. And I think probably very bad for children. Everything they showed us was incredibly curated. Like when we watched this live thing where she was having a very fluid conversation with it, that was clearly scripted. Yes. And I so I wonder how well this thing actually works in practice. We never got an actual like live demo.

Because they always show it perfectly recognizing the kid, perfectly recognizing like what's in their little kid drawings and stuff, what it's supposed to be to make beautiful, creepily shiny AI moving versions and stuff. So like I wonder how much less good it's going to be in reality than the thing that they've showed us, but it's definitely some amount shittier than what they've displayed already. And part of why I think that is like, we went to check out the booth that this other,

the South Korean company, just called, I think SK, had like a, they called it a quantum security camera that was AI enabled. And then thinking about how like, in the ads, it always like recognized the kid and its parents in a drawing accurately Well this one when I flipped off the camera with both middle fingers Recognized it and wrote up a description of a man giving the camera a thumbs up Like I'm really curious for when these things hit the market and people start buying them

Like what sort of fucked up stuff it'll do and how kind of big the seams are I don't expect a long life for this thing, which is going to be even funnier because like there was already a big $800 like children's companion AI toy that failed last year and the company shut off access to them and like, so parents had to explain to their kids who had bonded with this thing that it was dying forever and that's especially excited to me because they, they had, they've built a robot that talks to your kid and tells it it loves them.

And eventually that robot is going to be taken away from the child by the company when it no longer becomes profitable. And that's, I'm excited for that. Like new ground and how to fuck up kids. Anyway, that's what I got, Garrison. What an uplifting CES adventure once again. You got anything else?

No, that's all. That's all. Great. All right, everybody. Well, this has been Behind the Bastards. No, it's not. No, it's not. What is this?

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