It Could Happen Here - CES 2025: Robert and Gare Meet The Literal Devil

Episode Date: January 10, 2025

In this episode we explore a variety of robots and AI enabled products and meet a soulless monster from the very pit of hell itself.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hey, it's Nikki Glaser. So I hosted the Golden Globes at Hollywood's biggest party. Honestly, you've probably seen all the headlines this week, but like any good party, there's a lot of wild stuff that goes down behind the scenes that you don't know about. And since I hosted the Golden Globes, I'm letting my podcast listeners, my besties, in on all the behind the scenes tea. Stuff that didn't make it to the live TV taping, what went down in rehearsals, who said what at the after party.

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and EtnaStreetSolidarity, you can find them on venmo or i think on instagram as well that's a e t n a s t r e e t s o l i d a r i t y all right i'm gonna go rest my voice Oh, man, welcome to It Could Happen Here, a podcast that's happening here if here is your ears. If you're deaf and reading this, then it's happening to your eyes? Either way, it's happening here. Here also being Las Vegas. Oh, yes. Also Las Vegas.

Nevada. Nevada. Not the other one. Nevada, yeah. Yeah. Uh-huh. Podcast number three, how the time does fly. Sure does.

By the time you listen to this, Garrison and I will have just had the best meal that we're going to have this year. Oh my God, yeah. It's tomorrow for us still, but we're still, we're very excited about Morimoto, which is a fantastic, every year we have a very special dinner,

just them and me and a couple of friends who will remain anonymous because people get weird on the internet sometimes. It is literally the highlight of my year sometimes. It does keep me going actually. Really gives me a lot of power, some of the best tacos I've ever had in my life. So good. Uh-huh.

Anyway, ah, we're just thinking about delicious food. Let's talk about the dead-eyed ghoul we met. Oh wait, no, we're doing something else first. Not yet, not yet. We met a dead-eyed ghoul that I'm gonna spoil now. Real monster, like real, real, real evil vibes. Like one of these. Sad evil though. If this guy, as soon as I met him, shook his hand,

like, oh, if this guy gets power, you're going to be responsible for a lot of death and suffering. I mean, speaking of kind of- I don't think he will, he's just not that talented. He's not that powerful. Maybe, maybe. He wishes.

You never know where these guys are gonna end up. Speaking of sad evil, Twitter, X. The Everything app. That's what people are calling it. They gave a keynote, which was very sad. The CEO, Linda. Yeah, Linda really yakka-reenote about Twitter for a while. That was so bad.

So they started by talking about how Facebook meta has copied Twitter's like fact-checking policy of actually not having real fact-checkers. Yes, great project. Now, fact-checking maybe has actually kind of failed as an industry, but for, you know, our problems, perhaps, with fact checking, very different from these people's problems. And the fact now that Facebook is walking away from actual,

like, genuine, like, fact checks against, like, disinformation, misinformation, and parting ways with, like, using, like, legacy media outlets to verify information because those media outlets are too political, quote unquote, and instead is copying the current X model of free speech and specifically saying there's been way too much censorship on gender issues. Now you can comment that women are a piece of property.

Well, I mean, I think specifically this is like trans, like queer stuff too. No, no, no, one of the things, this is a specific exemption now is that you can now refer to women as if they are property on Facebook. This is the future of communication. Right, yeah, thank God.

Linda's really blazing a trail for women everywhere. Linda was very excited about that. And they, Yakery noted about that for like a good 10 minutes about how this you know, this is, this is really entering a new era of free speech and social media. And then she got asked a question about how much X Twitter, the everything app, will, will take a part in Elon Musk's plans for the Department of Government Efficiency, DOGE. And this got the, the first applause of the panel.

Applause only happens two times. During the Doge section was the first, like, you know, room starts clapping moment. Everyone goes crazy. How many minutes in was that? Oh, it was like maybe like 12, 13 minutes in. So people really, yeah, had to be intentional here. This is not like they were just overdue for clapping. No, no, had to be intentional here. This is not like they were just overdue for clapping. No, no, no.

They talked about Vivek, talked about Elon turning to Twitter X, the everything app, for suggestions on which government agencies to get rid of. I hope we get rid of the ATF. So that was- Like machine guns mandatory. Why not at this point, right? It can only help.

It can only help. It can only help. Look, if we learned anything from a thing I'm not going to specify that happened late last year, more suppressors is always handy. The second thing that got applause was what they talked about next was about, you know, everyone's turning to X, Twitter, the everything app. The everything app, yeah.

For information now, and Twitter, X, the everything app, played a crucial part in bringing to light the Muslim rape gang story in the UK and how that was so important for saving children. And we have to post more, not less. And like, this was the other thing that got massive applause was talking about the rape gangs. People love rape gangs.

People love rape gangs. That was a pretty good Star Trek episode. That was Tasha Yar's planet with the rape gangs, Garrison? One of the more blackpilling things, certainly. It wasn't a very good Star Trek episode. It's also not a good Trek episode. I was referring to the panel, not the Trek episode. But that was the other thing that got massive applause is it's like, save the children type rhetoric.

And you know, saying, you know, like, as a mother, it's so important that the more people post about this problem. That was the two big applause moments. But I think in general, this whole panel was trying to, you know, demonstrate how symbiotic a new Trump presidency and Elon Musk's Twitter are going to be. This is your direct info line. This is a tap from the Trump presidency to you. This is how you talk to the new government. This is how you talk to all of these new people,

all these new cabinet members. They're all on Twitter. They're all talking on Twitter. This is how you stay connected to the new government. It's interesting. One thing I'm curious about, so this is the thing that happened, the last set of Nazis that gained power in a country in a big way, the German ones. There was this common attitude of like, if only Hitler knew, because Nazi policies didn't help the people they were supposed to help,

they hurt a lot of people, like they were just bad at everything, like fascists tend to be. And there was this attitude that like, well, Hitler can't know. Like the fact that like the country's been handed over to gangsters who were continuing to hurt the people Hitler promised to help, he must not be aware. Like if he knew, he would fix this. If only he knew.

So I'm wondering how that's gonna play in here as Trump's policies continue to hurt the people who, a lot of the people who voted, from not the rich people who voted for him, but the people who like flipped between him and Biden or whatever, like those folks are gonna get fucked like the rest of us. And I kind of wonder if they're going to,

if there's going to be, when the blowback against X, the everything app will happen, right? Like as people are like, either I'm being ignored or I'm being called like a retard by Elon Musk for complaining that like- Can you say that on the air? Elon Musk tweets it randomly to people

when they make very valid critiques of the shit that he's doing. Like that's literally what he's calling people. He's saying it like every day. Constantly, I'm not using it as a slur. That's just the term he's using. He's saying it like every day. Yeah, like constantly. I'm not using it as a slur. That's just the term he's using. If they comment that like their fucking Medicaid got cut because Trump put Dr. Oz in charge of it

and Elon Musk calls them like a slur, what does that do? I don't even have any more intelligence than like, yeah, I wonder what that does to Twitter's bottom line. I mean, yeah, I'm not sure if they care anymore. I mean, something else Linda talked about is how Twitter is the only place for independent news to spread. And as both of us have, you know, worked in the independent journalism minds, nothing, nothing spreads on Twitter anymore.

No, no, if it's news, it doesn't. The only thing that spreads is, yeah, like the shit that makes people very angry, but keeps them on the site. Like articles, videos, if it takes you off site, it doesn't spread. Yeah, things that go viral and get spread is like encouraging racial riots, pogroms essentially. Yeah, which is what happened last year in the UK and they're sure trying to do it again. I mean, I think some of what she's referencing is, you know, there's a lot of like throttling intentionally of, you know of people on maybe our proclivities, and there's a degree of boosting for more centrist or right-wing journalists, and maybe that's some

of what they could be kind of more referring to there. But it was a short keynote, only 30 minutes, just the two things that got applause are Doge. Linda doesn't know that many words, so they really need to keep it under 30 minutes. Dogehead and literally Muslim rape gangs is this type of very, very gross racial fear mongering, and those are the things that lit up the room. You know, we all want there to be an after where there's even the minimal degree of accountability

that happened after the Nazis, but what I try to, in in my darker moments think is like, well, that's another person who like really made the argument of like, what needs to happen when this ends. Because it's just, I want to hurt people. My business is enabling harm. I want to get mobs in the street beating migrants. Like that's Linda's business.

That's the business she has willfully attached herself to. And we should all see that. It's very important to not stop talking about it like what it is. These people are trying to cause racial violence and they are trying to cause gendered violence and they are trying to cause harm at scale to communities of people that they see financial profit in damaging. Well, in other uplifting CES news. Cool stuff.

I love the Consumer Electronics Show. Actually, I think it might be time for an ad break. Speaking of damaging communities of people. That's right. There's a chance. Yeah, ads, oh well. Hey, it's Nikki Glaser. I'm not here to roast you.

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I never thought they'd do it, but boy howdy, and they're singing each other's songs. So, you know, that's really exciting. It's like when Barbara did Celine. I don't know who Barbara or Celine is, but that's cool, Robert. Luckily, I do know what ska is. I consider myself a day of culture. And for tonight, me and Robert attended this kind of side event at CES called Showstoppers. And as you walk around the CES floor, there's a lot of, frankly, garbage.

There's a lot of just like swamp and stuff that you. Or stuff that like you're just not interested in because you're not literally buying like screens from a manufacturer in China. Like it's like that's just not the business you're into because some of this stuff is meant for companies. So much floor space. Like there's like, we walked about 20,000 steps today. The town that I spent the first seven years of my life in

is smaller than one of the rooms CES has held. It's across like three hotels and a massive convention center. 90,000 people come into town for this thing. It can be hard to like see everything you want to. Now what's cool about Showstoppers, this is the side event at the Bellagio, is that basically it's a room full of kind of

all the coolest stuff, a whole bunch of stuff that has won CES Innovation Awards, all packed into one room with food and alcohol. So oh boy, did I order- Free food and free alcohol. So many drinks that I then just left on tables. And always pretty good food. Pretty good food.

Yeah. So we walked around Showstoppers and there was a number of pretty, pretty cool stuff that we saw. Yeah. But I think, I think it's maybe time to talk about the saddest man. The villain. The villain of the episode. The villain of the episode and of this year's CES.

I have trouble, can you bring up their name? Cause I'm gonna wanna get this right. So we- This could be dangerous, but yes. Neither of us had eaten and I had had like a hot dog eight hours ago and walked literally 19,000 steps and also done 40 minutes of pushups in between. So I was starving.

So we like shovel food into our faces and then we turn. The first booth we see is called Open Droid. Open Droid. Or Open Droids. Droids. Droids, yes, I did, there is an S. Open Droids. And it's like kind of Star Wars-y font.

It is. And I did ask them if, ask them if they had any issues with Lucasfilm. Apparently not yet. Sue them, Lucasfilm, by the way. Sue these kids. Destroy them. I know there's people who work for Lucasfilm who listen to this. Crush them.

Burn them like Los Angeles is burning down as we speak. They had a giant sign that said R2D3. Yeah, that's the name of the robot that they're selling. And the robot that they're selling is like an AI enabled household helping slash like retail, you know, robot where it basically is like a human torso with articulated arms and pincher hands on. And then the base is like a little tank, basically.

It's got like treads or wheels and it rolls. It has wheels, yeah. And then the torso, there's like a tall, maybe six foot tall, like pillar built into this like rolling base that the torso slides up and down on. And this was their way of not making like what Musk is trying to do, right? A humanoid robot where you have to figure out

like knees and balance and stuff. It's like, no. Or like Boston Dynamics. Wheels are cheap, right. Wheels are cheap. It'll roll. It works in most situations, you know? And then, but you still have the ability for it

to articulate and go up higher or go down lower like something that can crouch, but it's much simpler. You don't have to deal with nearly as much. And so I saw that I'm like, oh, well that's at least somebody who's thinking about how do we make something like this more affordable and less complicated, less to fuck up. And so I start talking with one of the co-founders

of the company who is an Indian guy in his 40s, something around that. He had gray hair, he said he'd spent 20 years in robotics. Very nice guy. You know I brought up that I thought the design was interesting and he was very much specifying like here's the things we didn't do because they were too difficult, too inefficient. You know this is what we're thinking of this is a machine that can fold laundry, this is a machine that can do dishes, this is a machine and he was very much specifying and the way he phrases like

these are undesirable tasks people don't want to do and this is a machine. And he was very much specifying. And the way he phrases like these are undesirable tasks people don't want to do. And this is a robot that can handle those for like small businesses or for households. And we do see this as eventually like a, you know, something like this we want to have in households, but he was more focused on small businesses. And he was again, very focused on, this is a thing that will do undesirable tasks for people. Right? And as I started asking more questions at a certain point, I got foisted off to the co-founder of the company. Is it the co-founder or is it just like another one of their reps?

You know, I'm assuming co-founder because I think it's just a couple of guys, but maybe I'm wrong about it. Sorry. I got foisted over to the other of the two guys. There were two guys there, right? I'm not sure because they don't have listed anywhere what their role in the company is. I got a co-founder's vibe from them. That's how it seemed to be to me, at least in terms of like the way these two were talking,

but I don't know the scope of the Open Droids company. Maybe there's a lot more there. It's just like a PR guy who knows. But these were the two guys who were there talking to us. So one of them is this very wonky engineer who's been at this a long time and was really focused on the nuts and bolts details and wanted to build a robot that could handle

unpleasant tasks for human beings, right? The same thing we've all been wanting to see. So at this point I'm like, this could work. Maybe this is a viable product, right? The second guy, Jack J. Jesonowski. So he is wearing what Garrison described as a Jordan Peterson suit, because it is half purple. It's a two-faced suit.

And a half plaque. It is a two-faced suit. Split down the motherfucking middle. With like new agey, hippie necklacesy hippie like neck necklaces five necklaces Five necklaces he had pants with like like Embroidered flowers on them and like a nose bridge. They're like it looked like one of those things you put in your nose That was one of the other things at showstoppers. There was a company that was yeah Yeah, so yeah

He had one of these Steve Jobs vibes from his half unbuttoned shirt and like many, many spiritual medallions to his like Jordan Peterson suit. And very much just that like, I am the charismatic founder. And what I bring to the table, my partner knows how to build robots. I'm charismatic. I'm Jack J. Jesenowski.

And Jack and I started talking. And boy howdy, we had us a conversation. And I think we're just going to play that. What do I need to do to set this up? No, I think you've set it up. We walk up to Jack, I start recording, and we start talking about the robot, and then things spin in some pretty interesting directions. Yeah. Alright. So, what is this thing useful for? Well, generally capable, just like a human can reach to the floor and reach up high to a cupboard,

go up and down, that's what we made this for, obviously, in a little bit of a different fashion, because most surfaces are level, we don't need to reinvent the wheel and the biggest market that we're going after is households, domestic, dishes, laundry, make the bed, clean up around the house, eventually cooking that's more fine-tuned you know dishes and laundry is really that first task that is going to be fully autonomous. Obviously from a folding standpoint and a cooking standpoint, you can do tele-operation today, so can use cheaper labor internationally through a robot. But full autonomous is coming very quickly like Jensen talked about recently.

So I see there's a lot of folks in the robot space that are trying robots based on the human form. Right. You guys have not gone that route. Talk to me about that. Droid form, yes. Well as we know robots didn't evolve from monkeys and so we have an ability to reimagine them. All of the existing hardware we use in the world has wheels for a reason. It just works better, it's easier, there's less friction. That means there's less maintenance,

that means there's less energy output and sufficiency. It's also easier for us to manufacture that stuff at scale. So I think long term, do robots all have legs? Yeah, more or less. I think long term, do robots all have legs? Yeah, more or less, the home robot does turn into the leg robot, because then it can go with you in the car, everything. But I think the early stages, the wheels, because of their cheapness, because of their reliability,

I think that will be what wins early stage. That's where we started here. Because the robot can go in the car with you. What do you see people wanting to have a robot in the car with them for? I think it will just become basically the same way if you have enough money. A lot of people afford like a assistant to come with them places. It's... That seems like a niche market compared to household utility. I think it's... the barrier I think is because of the

the cost and then the human-ness. Like then you have to care for another human. And whereas in this case it's kind of all positive sum. And yeah, I guess it's wrong to try to say majority of people, but anyone who's, you know, in media, you know, they videographer will be something you use a robot for to follow you around and take media and film for you. They won't get tired and say go grab me me a drink or, you know, go figure that thing

out. But it also can't decide, oh, that's actually not a good location to film from. It's not going to look as good. We need to get over here. We need another camera on this side here. We need to get like different angles because we're going to want to edit this together into a thing. And as a videographer, I'm not just a machine.

I'm a part of a collaborative creative enterprise. I think we're starting to see just how artistic these AIs can be. What's the best example of that using? Well I think the most used thing is just the Gen. AI art. And then you have some of the new video models are pretty cool and they're using certain sort of zoom in shots, everything. I think they'll make just as good of movies as humans. Oh, I think the best reference in order to actually say that that's possible is music. I don't know if

you've played with the most recent AI music there's songgbt.com. I've heard some things people call music that are produced by that yeah. We can make one live right now that I I don't know if you've heard like the latest models. Pick me a pick me a genre. Irish spirituals. Ska? You can try ska too. You love ska.

Ska is like definitely probably niche stuff is where it's gonna have a harder time, but S-K-A. I wonder how much ska data there is out there. There's a lot of skaKAW music out there. What should we make it about? Should we make it about iHeartRadio? Sure. iHeartRadio and Robert. Uh-huh.

And Clear Channel Communications. Alright. Let's hear a SKAW song. We're like, oh it has to load for like 30 seconds. It feels weirdly like I'm upset that I have to wait that long for something to load online. Is that really how it feels to you, huh? Yeah, I guess I complain with it a lot, but it's funny to think about how much time and effort it does take to like produce a song typically. I am 27.

That's interesting. I wouldn't have guessed that. What a... It's one thing that's really compelling to me is your partner, when I came in here, was very much talking about the utility of this in terms of replacing human beings in tasks that are generally unpleasant. Laundry, doing the dishes, cleaning up trash.

You seem a lot more bullish on robots replacing human beings and what are generally considered to be enterprises people want to do with their time. Is that like a discrepancy that that that you guys have kind of talked about or do you think it's something you guys are more on the same page with stuff? From a business standpoint we're 100% going after the dishes, laundry, nursing practice of just doing vitals, which is the very repetitive task.

That's the push. I was starting to just talk into the aspect of the legged robots and kind of imagining why a legged version would have better utility or be something someone wants to purchase rather than the wheeled robot. And yeah, stairs is definitely a big one of those. There are wheel types we're working on right now which have ability to climb like single stairs, obviously easiest, and that's what most people have

in their home if they do have stairs. Oh, are we gonna listen to some robot scoff? My heart listeners is the most. Robert's got that golden touch Clear signals that we crave so much Bouncing beats in every ear Star rhythms drive us near Dancing souls tonight, oh baby Is this ska? It's a pretty basic melody

I mean there's horns in it but I feel like it's kind of taken a... I think it's trying to do pop that it's just thrown some horns in on. This is a little closer to ska. Although it's not really singing, but I guess that's a matter of taste. What do you listen to? This is the worst it's going to be. I hear that a lot. It's interesting because GPT-4 took 50 times as much power as GPT-3 to train.

And there's a lot of mixed reactions on that. And we're entering into a period where we're very likely looking at a recession. Venture capital funding, there's a chance it's not gonna be what it has been. Is that concern you at all, that like this vaunted next level for all of this stuff, the energy cost, the investment cost is just not gonna be borne by a market that is not going to be as strong tomorrow as it was today, at least in the immediate term?

I think even if we created no more energy as a human species today, the amount of advancements we create would, from an architectural standpoint, continue to advance. So you have other models, like I think Lama 3.3, which has matched 4.0's capabilities and is, I forget how many parameters, but like super like much much much smaller and was much cheaper to train and like we're continuing to see like smaller models that are just as effective and were much cheaper training runs. I think DeepSeq was one of the newest ones. What I'm concerned about is I'm looking at the P&L, right? I'm looking at OpenAI's P&L. I'm looking at the fact that they're losing five or six billion dollars last year and

we're very good chance it's going to be somewhere in the neighborhood to double that this year. And it's not that there's nothing impressive there. It's not that I don't see like, oh, you can generate a song that's got like guitar and trumpets and vocals and stuff and, you know, a minute or so. It's not that that's not impressive, but like a parlor trick isn't a trillion dollar business. And that's the kind of investment they're looking at. And I do wonder like, is it not much more reasonable to focus on folding laundry? Well obviously I personally am in the the Boat House of focusing on allowing this intelligence to flourish and doing these laborious tasks and getting them in the households. I do think from OpenAI standpoint and

the reason why VCs and private investors will value them so highly is what's next is white collar work, a lot of the jobs online. That's what they do have an internal model which is able to control the computer, same way you would ask an executive assistant to do certain things online.

Now it's just... Adobe is handing along all of their emails now through AIs, which is, you know, we'll see how well that works in the long term. There have been some interesting polling on like the degree to which customers and investors feel trust when somebody is responding to them with an AI. But what's interesting to me more here is the dichotomy between what I see here is a very pragmatic choice, which is we're not going to try and remake a human being-formed robot and deal with like knees and hips and all of that stuff.

We don't need that. We can have it turn up and down on this platform and reach things the same way, melded to what I consider to be kind of a little more pie in the sky. We're viewing this as eventually something that can take creative roles and think independently and make things, which is it's interesting to me to see that in a company's DNA of what you guys are eight months out right now. Is that what you're more interested in? I'd say I tailor my pitch to the person I'm talking to. So some people definitely enjoy thinking about more of the sci-fi futures that are coming. For example, the droids building droids moment. It's when you know you are decreasing your own manufacturing costs

by using your own hardware to build more of that hardware and parts are just being shipped into the factory. Obviously I think the first fully automated phone factory just came out in China recently which is like some cool press and news but the phone is separate from the actual manufacturing process. So there's that like interesting component, the exciting part of the idea that how do we reach true abundance as a species of material and resources is well because GDP is a calculation of capita times productivity, a robot really represents capita, one unit of creation.

And I'd say that's where the sci-fi thinking comes into play and it's not worth going there when just dreaming about the future of robotics and talking about it and having an interesting engaging conversation but we definitely when it comes to what are we doing from an engineering standpoint on the day to day and how are we trying to approach the market those conversations are not being had well I appreciate your time now you gave me a lot I'm gonna let you get to the other beat thank you you. Thank you so much.

Nice to meet you, Jack. It was fun. Oh wow. That's super interesting. I hope you all liked Jack J as much as I didn't. Getting to 27 years old and not knowing what Ska is. Shocked he's that old. I thought he would be much younger.

Like. You thought he was like 22. Yes. But the fact that he like, he like didn't know what Ska was as a genre. He wasn't, was unaware of it. I don't think he listens to music. Well, he listens to AI generated music. He listens to AI generated music. It's just as good.

He has the most, he has the most I listen to AI generated music vibes out of anyone I've ever seen before. Just very clearly does not have a soul. No. Like, like nothing, nothing would leave the universe if he did, right? Like. It's so opposite from the first guy you talked to who was so like about, no, I want to help actual tasks that people don't enjoy. Yeah.

I love cinematography. I love filmmaking. I don't, first of all, I don't think a robot can replace this. No, I watched five different AI generated movies yesterday and they all looked like shit. Even like a robot handling a physical camera to make like choices on like shot framing and composition and like movement.

It's one thing to be like we want, we have a race car going and so we've got this robot on a track so we can go 70 miles an hour and we're just kind of running on a straight track to follow it because a human being can't move that fast. One thing we've left out of this up so far, so this machine that I described earlier, this robot that goes up and down this rolling base

has a floppy Donald Trump mask over its head. Which first attracted us to this table. Yeah, that's why we showed up there in the first place. It's because you have a robot moving its arms around, wearing a Donald Trump mask. And as Robert was interviewing this guy, the robot was like moving around and like trying to simulate its washing dishes capability.

And it knocked over the same water bottle about five times. It couldn't pick it up consistently. So I will not trust it with my fine china. I'll say that. As soon as I got up there, I asked like, I can take my jacket off now, can it fold? And he was like, well, we'd have to reprogram it. And it was this, when I talked to the guy, I it fold? And he was like, well, we'd have to reprogram it. And it was this, when I talked to the guy,

I was like, cause he was like, yeah, we really see this as being potentially good for elder care. And we had just seen the product we talked about in the last episode, which for all of its, I don't know that I think it'll work, was a lot of thought and care went into it. I was like, okay, so like, what work have you done to build a machine that can like communicate

and be helpful to like people who are dealing with health issues in their later years? And like, well, that's why it's open, right? Someone else will, you know, code something. It's open source, someone else can do that part. So you guys are just saying it can do everything because somebody could potentially code something for it. Yeah, cool.

There always could be code. Yeah, there could be code. I mean, again, the other guy, the actual engineer, seemed very interested in the nuts and bolts of making an affordable, reproducible machine that could handle specific tasks. And Jack J had absolutely no interest in the actual machine that they were making.

This is clearly, could not be clear, this is just a stepping stone, and he's kind of grossed out by it because it's not replacing all human art with a machine that he owns. He's a man completely fueled by Lex Friedman podcasts, and he doesn't wanna actually do any real work. No.

He just wants to talk about how AI is going to take over everything, and we have to welcome it in, and here, listen to this scaw. He wants to take over everything and we have to welcome it in and here listen to this is Skaw. He wants to take money by owning something that does not provide anything and also put people out of work. Like at no point did he express a desire to do anything other than replace something people

were already doing with something worse that tech guys could profit from. That's all there is to this man. He's not a human. It's so anti-human. Yeah, I cannot overemphasize the degree to which there was nothing behind this boy's eyes. Well, do you know what? There's also nothing super intelligent behind.

That's not true. All of our ads are sponsored by real people. Even if they're bad people. That is true. They're super intelligent behind. That's not true. All of our ads are sponsored by real people. Even if they're bad people. That is true. They're at least people. They live and they love and they hate and you know, maybe they have a promo code. Let's see.

["The Golden Globes Theme Song"] Hey, it's Nikki Glaser. I'm not here to roast you. I'm here to overshare everything that went down at the Golden Globes last Sunday. Everyone is already talking about what happened on air at the Golden Globes, but you are going to hear about what happened off air from the horse's mouth.

Yes, I'm the horse, me, Nikki Glaser. Join me on my podcast, the Nikki Glaser podcast, where I will be telling you all the details. I can finally relax with my besties, my listeners, and dish what happened backstage. What went down, the things people are already talking about, the things that people should be talking about, I've got it all.

From what it took to prep for the Golden Globes to the behind the scenes of the Golden Globes, what went down in the rehearsals, who said what at the after party, who I saw at the after party, who was dancing with who, I'm gonna spill it all, secrets will be revealed.

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Sorry, I didn't see him there. If you feel different, you drive different. Don't drive high. It's dangerous and illegal everywhere. A message from NHTSA and the Ad Council. All right, so after our lovely robotics... Jack J. Jesonowski. Ska Adventure. Oh, yeah.

Also, the ska was shit. Not good. Not good. It just kept saying the word ska. It kept saying the word ska in the music and saying the word Robert. Yeah. Saying the word Robert and ska.

Repeatedly. While just doing random noises. After we had our fill of that, we did walk around the rest of Showstoppers. He was so surprised that I wasn't impressed by any of the, he was like, you must have heard the lady. Man, I hear them.

It's not good. It's like, I made this comparison a few times. If somebody like walked in while I'm at a house party, it was like, hey man, I taught my dog to masturbate to pornography with its paws. I would be like, well, I mean, that's like, I guess, I didn't think a dog could do that. Like I am kind of impressed, I guess,

but I don't want this. Like this doesn't do anything for me. No, it's like a parlor trick. Why is you figured this out? What value does this have? Yeah, how does the dog know who Farrah Fawcett is? I have questions, sure, but it doesn't give me anything. Like, who who Farrah Fawcett was, Garrison?

No. Oh, god damn it. What do you think I do? I don't know anymore. Well, what I did is walk around the rest of Showstoppers. I stopped at this one booth that had like an iPhone case with like a little an iPhone case with like a little like keyboard on the bottom that like plugs in and I started

messing around with it and the guy at the booth walked up to me and made fun of me because he's like you've never you've never held a phone with a keyboard. You've never had a blackberry did ya? He literally said like you've never had a blackberry before have you? I'm like no like yeah you're typing all wrong on that thing. There was a solid nine day news cycle when Barack Obama, newly the president, revealed that he had a Blackberry that he was continuing to use. I do remember this.

Huge deal. I remember that, which sounds like a lifetime ago. There was a company called RIM once, and they made a tablet that was pretty good. And we only made a couple of rim job jokes about it, but it didn't do very well and so I gave it to my dad and accidentally there was still a picture of my dick on it anyway that's a story for another day these are the

kind of things you get recording at 1156 p.m. and we went to see yes I'm caught again to bed but no he made fun of me for not knowing how to use a smartphone keyboard. He did the right thing. I don't need to use that because I have a keyboard on my phone built in already. It's much faster. So anyway, we stopped it at this company that makes well now just makes the software to use in conjunction with the augmented reality glasses and any like-powered laptop, specifically the laptops that have built-in copilots because they require higher processing power. Yeah, they have an NPU or something like that.

Yeah, like an AMP. Neuro-processing unit is what they're calling it, the AI-dedicated GPU thing, effectively. It allows you to hook up these glasses and run, you know, possibly infinite amount of monitors using AR. And we talked with this company last year. We saw them at Showstoppers. You put on the glasses and it's like you've got six monitors or whatever that are all full-size. And it's actually really easy to use. It works very well. Seamless. It's nice. It's good quality, easy to use. You can move the monitors around. It's an excellent, excellent gadget.

We talked to them last year, and the main thing that was holding us back on it is that you needed to use their own proprietary laptop. It was their own laptop, and it wasn't a great one. It was just like a Linux laptop. It didn't have everything I want out of my own personal laptop. And we were still impressed with it then. It was still good. And now you can just use any high powered laptop with it essentially. So it's lovely to see that improved. We saw this lovely, very small foldable projector.

Oh yeah, that was cool. What's that company name? Because we should be giving out the names of these. Yes, the AR glasses and the software system is called Spacetop, very good by a company called Sightful. It works great. But yeah, this little folding projector currently has a Kickstarter.

The company is called AuraZen. Yeah, AuraZen. Specifically, it was the ZIP trifold projector. Right now, it's a 720p, very small foldable projector. It has like a auto focusing, auto keystone. They're working to get it up to 1080p, but they're running a Kickstarter right now to ship in about three months.

Super good quality stuff. If you're a gadget person, you know, it felt like a quality piece of electronics in my hands. Like the way it like snapped when it closed just felt good. I think I'm gonna buy one. Like it's exactly what I want for traveling, which is the ability to, it goes up to like 80 inches of screen

and like very good resolution. The ability to just have that plugged in to a battery or the wall and my laptop and like wherever I happen to be, I've got a movie screen that I don't have to worry about the fucking hooking up a TV to my laptop or some shit. It doesn't need wifi to work. It just can cast from your phone. I don't have to worry about the fucking hooking up a TV to my laptop or some shit. It doesn't need Wi-Fi to work.

You just can cast from from your phone. A U R Z E N zip trifold projector. R is in. Yep. Yep. I think they're selling them for two fifty right now. That's for the for the Kickstarter. The Kickstarter will go up a little when it's a product. But we saw it. It works. They had a lot of they had tracking and stuff.

So it like automatically would focus and shit. It auto focuses and it like it scales correctly for what's projecting. It automatically like adjusts like the tilt of it so that it you know. Yeah obviously this is the full review because we don't own one but remember everything we could tell by looking at it in the moment. We tried it out. I hooked up my phone to it as I went to my phone screen I realized I have a As I went to my phone screen, I realized I have a slightly, I would say artful, lewd image of an angel, which I quickly swiped away from. We should show your dick to your dad.

On my home screen of my phone. You know, things can always be worse. Things can always be worse. But I think where we'll end is, and this actually is not entirely in order, because this is the next, after we had that conversation with our friend Jack J, which just left me thinking about,

like some people aren't really people, right? That's what I kept thinking about. This whole thing is a sham, it's all for rubes, it's soulless. We immediately walk over and we just kind of like randomly turn a corner and there's like a human shin, like tibia and fibia basically with like a carbon fiber,

you know, frame around it that's roughly the shape of like a person's lower leg. Lower leg. And it's called bioleg. It's a powered microprocessor knee made in Japan where it is a prosthetic, but unlike most prosthetics, it is powered and has a muscle built into it So like when you lift up your prosthetic, it doesn't hang it doesn't lock

It actually has a degree of motion and it feels like what lifts the rest of the leg what your remaining muscles Like it measures based on like it can like take measurements from them and it can act intelligently Based on that and I know that it works because the inventor was there and he was a man who was missing his leg below the knee and had built this for himself. You spent like 10 years working on this. Yeah, eight years, he said. Eight years.

And that's like really the thing that is like so both like addictive and also like this like very tonal whiplash you get at CES is you will go from like this dead-eyed con man trying to scam the world so he can do god knows what kinds of other harms with absolutely nothing nothing inside of him at all and then I lost my leg and I built a better prosthetic to help the entire world and that's like 30 seconds between those two experiences. And like that's like that's like the dark magic of CES. And like, I'm not like anti-tech. Like I think technology can really improve people's lives if used well.

And sometimes I get kind of black-pilled walking around CES, but then we'll stumble across this, like, you know, someone who literally lost a leg and made themselves their own better leg. It's been eight years figuring out how to do this. Yeah, is winning awards for it. Award winning, like tech innovations. It's changing your, as a person who has lost your lower leg, changing, being able to like have a normal gait

and balance again, like massive potential to improve people's lives as a result of this. Yeah. Just steps away from AI Ska and the Donald Trump mask over the laundry folding robot. The company is again Bionic M and it's the Bioleg. The Bioleg is the product.

Yeah, the Bioleg is the product by Bionic M. I'm gonna try to check it out more tomorrow at Eureka Park, which at this point, that'll be in maybe future episodes come next week. But I guess this closes our actual week of coverage. Let's go get fucked up and eat Japanese food. Oh, I'm down. Yeah. I'm down.

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