It Could Happen Here - Chaos in Congress

Episode Date: October 17, 2023

Mia and Gare discuss the removal of former Speaker of the House Kevin McCarthy and the chaos the Republican Party's inability to replace him has caused.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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New episodes every Thursday. CallZone Media. It's chaos in congress this is this is it could happen here the podcast about things falling apart and just this is a just a falling apart episode although it's a kind of funny one yeah i'm your host mia wong and with me is garrison dav. Hello. Chaos everywhere, but especially in Congress. So I just realized you grew up in Canada. I did. Which means...

I did, yes. Can you explain what the Speaker of the... Do you know what the Speaker of the House is? For America? Yeah. It's the guy who, like, presides over the things and has the hammer and he yells

um you know that's that's that's that's that's pretty close okay see see come on yeah yeah it's not bad it's not bad this is okay so we're gonna go into a bit more depth about what this person does because i don't know the american constitution was written by absolute clowns, and there's some wild stuff there. But however, comma, you know, somewhat more seriously, this is a very this is a very sort of consequential and dangerous moment in American political history. And in this moment, Congress is in complete chaos. It is it is it is the most nonfunctional it has been in my entire life. And that is, that is saying something like Congress has been non-functional for my entire life. This is the worst it has ever been. And the reason it's the worst it's ever been is that Kevin McCarthy, who is the now former speaker of the house was removed by a vote of no confidence on October 3rd,

which when this comes out, that will be exactly two weeks out. And he is removed because he tried to cut a deal with the Democrats to avert a government shutdown until the 17th. And he got the deal through.

It would have been crazy if we had a shutdown until the 17th. God, imagine. Imagine. Jesus, fuck. Here's the thing. OK, there's no shutdown until the 17th there's also

a chance of like a real serious chance that like the shutdown starts and we still don't have a speaker of the house oh yeah like it's not that high but it could happen which is nuts this has never happened before yeah and so so i guess we should we should go into specifically what hasn't happened before the thing that hasn't happened before is that no sitting speaker of the House during their term has ever been removed by a vote of no confidence, which is nuts. Because, again, and I cannot emphasize this enough, for most of the 2000s, the speaker of the House was a guy named Dennis Hastet, who was literally a pedophile. And he was not removed by a vote of no confidence. So, like, this is this is the level of of you know weirdness that we're in like it like literally the the 200 something year history of the u.s

this has never happened oh and from my understanding you don't actually have to be like an elected member of the house to be the speaker which means they could carry on this tradition and they could get polanski as speaker of the house if they the speaker, which means they could carry on this tradition and they could get Polanski as speaker of the house. If they could find enough votes to carry it over, you know, at this point, this is the only way we can get you later.

There was a, there was a, a two day span, a two and a half day span where Trump was trying to get himself elected as speaker of the house. Yes. Yes. And then that,

which would be probably the most funny, the most funny. most funny oh yeah yeah but you know so so because then he also has a path to the presidency yeah yeah you just have to get two impeachment votes somehow if biden and harris are taken out this is how trump can still win this is the path guys this unfortunately he's I mean, here's the thing. OK, legitimately, if Biden and Harris die in a plane crash tomorrow, I actually think Trump could win the would win the Speaker of the House vote. Oh, yeah, absolutely. But this is this is this is how Bernie can still win. This is the path.

So. All right. So. So, you know, we're in this. we're in, we're in, I don't know. We're just, you know, this is all like nuts, but like, again, we are just, we are in the wilderness. Like we're in complete chaos land. No, no one, the U.S. has never been here before. And okay.

The other thing we need to mention is, okay. So, you know, you, you were saying that there has, there hasn't like, you know, we, we, we need to, we need to bring back the like pedophiles to be the speaker of the house so speaker of the house not a pedophile the guy who removed him as speaker of the house uh he's removed by matt gates probably probably yeah so here's here's what i can say legally about matt gates the guy who led eight republicans to uh join the democrats the Democrats in the vote of no confidence. He is a man best known for being investigated for the Department of Justice for trafficking underage girls. What I can legally say is that he was suspected by the Justice Department of being a pedophile.

There are there are like there were receipts from his like on his phone from like cash app of him sending money to underage girls. So, you know, bad things, bad things happening there. That investigation got killed because the bourgeoisie protects its allies. But comma, we do not have speaker of the house right now. So something I think I guess we should also mention is so there's like a there's no speaker of the house. There's some guy they put in who's like is not actually an acting speaker of the house. The only thing he can do effectively is like make sure that there's votes specifically on there being another speaker of the house. Yeah. And this has thrown the entire American political system into chaos because with no speaker of the House, the House of Representatives cannot pass bills.

I can't do it. They cannot pass any bills at all. And because of the way that the American system was designed, not having this one person shuts down the entire effectively shut it shuts down the entire legislative branch right because you can't get anything passed in the senate without also getting it ratified in the house um and this has just shut down effectively like most of the american government outside of the like you know i mean so the executive branches and all the departments and stuff are still functioning but there is no legislative branch right now effectively is is what has happened right i i i think maybe subcommittee meetings are

still running, but they can't pass any bills. And this is both a blessing and a curse. Normally, this, I think, would just be a curse. I don't know. Maybe right now, this is probably the best possible time this could have happened because the consequence of this has been the U.S. has been unable to follow through on its most sort of just rabidly genocidal impulses about palestine because again the house literally cannot pass any bills until they figure this shit out so we haven't been able to send money to ladies we haven't been able to send like god forbid like we haven't been able to plenty troops which i don't know if they i don't know if there was actually the political desire to do that anyways but you know the fact the fact that there was no speaker in the immediate wake of the stuff that's been happening in palestine means that you know

they've they've been restrained from just like glassing the entire middle east which is which is good uh the downside is that again we have until november 17th to uh pass a funding bill to avert the government shutdown and not only is there like no progress on a deal about that bill like the american legislator is currently incapable of passing any bill much less the spending bill so things are going great in the American political system. And, okay, so we should ask the question, why is this happening? And there are both sort of short and long answers to this question. Both of them effectively have the same root, which is that the Republican Party is a coalition.

It's one that usually has pretty broadly compatible politics, but it is a coalition between different sectors of capital. So think, for example, you have your different right-wing tech mogul billionaires like Elon Musk or Peter Thiel. But these people align on a lot of stuff, but they don't necessarily have the same interests as a weapons manufacturer or like Koch Industries or I mean, just like, you know, like one of the big sort of tensions, for example, is that the Republican Party has a lot of backing among the financial sector. The financial sector has very little interest in conflict with China because they have an enormous amount of capital like tied up in Chinese firms. There are a lot of other like people who have a lot of like like even this is this is a thing between elon musk and peter teal right or like musk is kind of more pro-china than like the average like republican tech billionaire because he has a bunch of contracts in a giant factory in china and so so okay so this is a coalition between different segments of capital who

disagree this is also a coalition between different like right-wing social movements uh who are also a very powerful part of the party. You have the evangelical stuff. But I mean, the consequence of this and the consequence of the sort of shift right of American politics has been, you now have this party where there are libertarians alongside neocons, you have more moderate conservatives, and you have basically people who are effectively neo-Nazis. And the fact that the coalition is like this now, the fact that it is genuinely, more so than it's been in a long time, a very broad and diverse coalition, this has made the House of Representatives effectively unmanageable. conversations keep going. That's what my podcast Post Run High is all about. It's a chance to sit

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Listen to Better Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever else you get your podcasts. Check out betteroffline.com. Okay, and this has been a real issue in the Republican Party for a while now, partially because, you know, this is why we're getting the government shutdown stuff. Like a big part of Republican strategy for the last decade, basically since Obama took office, has just been shutting down the government

and doing arch obstructionobstructionism so that, you know, nothing can get done. Wait, Gare, have you been, do you remember the last government shutdown? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was only like two years ago. Yeah. It feels like, maybe it was longer.

It feels like it was pretty recent. There was, no, it was- No, I think it was in 2018. I think it was like- Yeah, see, because in my brain, we're still in 2018. I think it was like, yeah, I see. Cause in my brain, we're still in 2020. Oh yeah.

We're actually less than 20. So what I said, when I say two years ago, what I mean is 2018. Yeah. I mean, it's, that one was funny because that was a,

that was a Republican president. Yeah. Yeah. Which is very funny. But yeah, but you know, but back when Obama was in office, like this was happening all the fucking time. Like every every other week there was like a threat of a government

every single time a bill like a funding bill was going to pass congress like i had a bunch of family members get furloughed well at one point because the government actually did shut down for a long time but there's a real problem with this, which is that this political strategy encourages effectively – it encourages creating chaos, right? And this is something that Trump has been very good at sort of exploiting. But it also means that there's now this like cadre of politicos who have come up who are like incredibly right-wing. And effectively, the only thing they know how to do is obstructing anything from functioning. And this is what McCarthy ran into. He ran into Gates and his sort of like band of merry.

I don't know. I was going to call them a band of merry weirdos, but that's way too complimentary. His band of like absolute fanatics. And the real issue here is that, OK, so there's currently two vacant seats in the House. So this means right now to win a vote in the full House, to become Speaker of the House, you need 217 votes. Sorry, hold on. There's new shit happening, like right now.

McCarthy thinks that Jim Jordan has 217 votes votes i don't know if i believe him i don't know well i'll just explain what's happening now and then we'll put that at the end as like breaking news insert that at the end daniel thank you um or keep it in right now it's a funny bit yes because this situation is still is still developing as of time of recording so yeah like as yeah something we should mention you know this this process is still developing as of time of recording. So, yeah. Yeah, something we should mention. This process is complicated enough that, like, yeah, as we are recording it, stuff is changing rapidly. Like, stuff has been – news is coming in.

So what's been making it hard is that in order to get 217 votes, right, the Republican majority is only – they only have 221 votes. So if you want to become Speaker of the House, you can only lose four total votes. And this means you have to win both the moderates and Matt Gaetz's coalition of fanatics. And this is effectively impossible. It is unbelievably difficult. McCarthy was able to do this because he pulled votes from the far right by promising things like impeaching Biden and stuff like that, And also sort of cutting his own deals with

people like Marjorie Taylor Greene who... And this is the other thing about this impeachment vote is that it's not actually a purely ideological lines like far right versus moderate vote because... No, he even split

the more extreme contention of the republican party in congress it it's it's it's really bizarre well it's not bizarre because you can't like understand it but it is certainly interesting where where the dividing lines and ended up being for a lot of the people that we consider mostly being on the same side right because usually people imagine like matt gates and margie taylor, usually in the same kind of far right voting bloc. And to see like divisions over this vote is certainly an interesting aspect of, you know, possible fractures within the,

even the extreme contingent of the Republican Party. Yeah, and this has been a really interesting dynamic, but it also makes it just like impossible. Like you have to, in order just like impossible like you have to in in order to do this you have to somehow appease the moderates and gates and like you're dealing with multiple different right-wing fringe factions yeah and then and this is you know we'll be talking more about uh the freedom caucus in a little bit but you have to like you're at a point where you're trying to appease so many different groups

of people who all have kind of competing agendas who also just have like personal beef with each other and as of right now time of recording which is 2 p.m pacific time on friday no one has been able to actually pull together this vote um we're going to take an ad break and then we're going to talk about- Do you know who else actually needs to be appeased by these same people? Is it the products and services that support this podcast? Ronald Reagan coin looks down upon Congress every single time that guy hits that little hammer. And Ronald Reagan coin also looks down upon all of you.

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real people. I swear to God things can change if we're loud enough. So join me every week to understand what's happening in the tech industry and what could be done to make things better. Listen to Better Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever else you get your podcasts. Check out betteroffline.com. I think I have a good idea where to put my new 401k investment in. I'm going to do all gold coin. Move all that over to gold coin.

It's stable. It's going to be worth it. It holds value and that is that is definitely my plan oh we're back hello everybody uh sorry i did didn't did did not realize you were already back so soon i was just talking with me about expanding my investment portfolio anyway as as you were saying so what has happened after that the answer is an absolute clown show um i mean this is this is one of the most like genuinely let's let's not disparage clowns shall we that's true this is unfair to us we this is we could have clowns in the audience we could have closeted clowns in this

phone call that's true that's true okay i i yes i've been being unfair to clowns by comparing them to republican party thank this has been this has been one of the most pathetic displays of politics I've ever seen. And I have followed the political trajectory of Israeli labor. Like this is, this is, it's been truly awful. So, all right. So, so McCarthy is ousted. The problem immediately is that no one has anywhere close to enough votes to replace him. Like, like when I say no, like McCarthy, McCarthy went down by he lost eight votes from the Republicans. Yeah. Yeah. No one else is within like 60. Right. Like what?

Like this wasn't just a power move for Gates then. Like he he like was was he looking to take the spot or. No, no. There's Gates has absolutely no shot of winning. He would get like 10 votes, maybe like basically nothing. What he was trying to and this is this is kind of Gates is in this kind of obstructionism thing where he's the thing he's trying to do, basically, he's trying to – like he's trying to set up himself as a political flank of like the most Republicans and everyone else are these like sellouts who work with the Democrats. Yeah. And he's also been trying – so Gates' preferred candidate is a guy named Jim Jordan.

Jim Jordan is the – he was the founding head of the powerful far right freedom caucus. And he's a real he's a real piece of work. He's bad. I feel like Jim Jordan has been a recurring character on this show. Yeah. Sometimes he's not a very nice fellow in my. No, he sucks. Like, he's not quite like a full on neo-Nazi in the way that like.

Yeah. But like, he's not good. He's he's he's from like the far right. He's from, I guess you would call the, like the more acceptable far right of the Republican party. Like he's from the freedom caucus, like is, is a, like a very right wing organization, even within the Republican party, but they're not seen as like weird fringe fanatics in the way.

Yeah. At the very least they will happily hold the door open towards people that are even like like even way way more extreme uh yeah yeah yeah and that's true he's been serving uh in congress since like 2007 yeah he's a very he's a very he's one of the guys who's he's been like the architect of a lot of well not the architect he's been one of the the figures behind a lot of the sort of um like government shutdown stuff he's been he's he's been one of the guys who's kind of like i don't know like he didn't because he didn't come in on the tea party wave he came in before that but he's been he's been a guy who's been pushing that kind of sort of like that kind

of very very right wing politics um his his original opponent was steve scalese who is a kind of semi-mccarthy ally kind of and you will see him described as being more moderate than than jim jordan and that is maybe kind of true in the sense that like he's being bad in the fact that like like Jim Jordan is being backed by like Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz and like Donald Trump. This is after Trump gave up his bid to like become Speaker of the House himself. He backed. Which would have been the funniest outcome. Yeah, it would have been very funny. But however, we don't we don't live in the funniest possible timeline.

So we live in the worst one. Yeah, yeah. So that didn't happen. line sadly no we live in the worst one yeah yeah so that didn't happen um so the problem is the other guy is is again this steve scalise and again he's called a moderate scalise also wants there there is a report of him calling himself and i quote david duke without the baggage and in in the early 2000s he spoke at a david at a at a at a rally for a group founded by David Duke mm-hmm what without the baggage what is left of David Duke like how what does that sentence actually mean like what do you think about that sentence like we should I guess we should mention so David Duke

if people don't remember David Duke was the the grand wizard of the kkk yes yeah so when he says david duke without the baggage what he means is that he he has david duke's politics but he doesn't have the immediate what the fuck association you get when you mention the head of the fucking kkk yeah that that's what he was going for right so this is not a good guy he's being presented as and again this is what passes for like a moderate i mean he's kind of in the moderate right but like this is what passes for a fucking moderate republican in 20 in 2023 right like these people have always sucked they've always fucking been like this um and you know but problem yeah yeah it's it's it's a real issue that again like this guy who is like speaking at like it should like in any even

remotely normal political system having given a speech at a rally for an organization ran by david duke would immediately be disqualifying but you know no like you can just do that you can do that and you're going to be a moderate 2023. But the problem with – the problem Scalise has is that Scalise's problem isn't that, again, like Klan bullshit. It's the fact that the way that votes for the Speaker of the House work is that – So there's an internal blind vote inside of the Republican Party where each representative gets to anonymously vote. Like each Republican representative gets to anonymously vote for their preferred candidates.

So Jim Jordan, like kind of narrowly loses out to Scalise in the first vote. So he loses 113 to 99. And so Scalise comes out as the guy who's the nominee for the Republicans, right? Problem is Scalise lasts one day as that guy, because the problem is to actually become speaker, you need to win a vote on the House floor and the vote on the House floor with

everyone in the House, including the Democrats. That's where he needs to win 217 votes. He did not have it. everyone in the house including the democrats that's where he needs to win 217 votes he did not have it he so incredibly did not have it that again within a day of him winning this vote he is out so scalise is now out of the race um what what has been so the the developments literally as we are recording this jim jordan has won a vote to become like the next uh he's the next person to win a vote because he's running against just a fucking clown sorry i'm being offensive to clowns he's just like a nobody like just like some dipshit the republicans like picked off off the street

right like this is where we're at like there's no one like if jim if jim jordan can't do this like there's like i don't know like it would would like bring McCarthy back. Like there's nothing he like Jordan, Jim Jordan is like the last even semi-serious political figure in the Republican party who could even conceivably do this. So Jim Jordan has won the vote inside of the Republican party. However, comma, and also the other important thing that happened literally as we were recording is that he's been, he's been endorsed by McCarthy now, thing that happened literally as we were recording is that he's been he's been endorsed by mccarthy now which is kind of a big deal mccarthy has said publicly that he thinks that jim jordan has the votes i don't believe him and i don't believe him because immediately after he said that it came out that jim jordan is 60 votes short on the floor of the house 60 6 0 he is screwed there's no way like he has to get through 60 60 votes and there's

no way i i don't see a path for him to do this even even with mccarthy's support like i i don't i don't think there's a way for him to do this um as of time of recording the thing that has happened is that the republicans have all gone home because they get out at five. And he's going to try to spend the weekend like building up support, trying to build up enough votes in the House to like win speakership. But yeah, this has not worked. It seems like it seems like a pretty, pretty chance. It's possible that like on like monday or tuesday or something when they're like when this comes out i'll be eating crow and i'll have to record

like a special update but yes because this does come out after the weekend so yeah but i we will i don't buy this i i absolutely just do not buy that jim jordan has enough votes um this is this this this is this is my analysis if i'm wrong i'm wrong but guessing it's 60 votes and like there's no way there's no way so this is this is this is the fact this is the current state of congress right now like we don't we don't have a legislative branch uh everything everything is in chaos One down, two more to go. We're almost there, fellas. We're almost there. Well, the executives, if we

can knock out the executive, the judiciary will fall by itself. Yeah, so that is certainly exciting. There's always good things to look forward to. Like several very, very serious international political crises and wars is has I don't know, it's it's it's been the thing right now that has been restraining the US from just like really going all out and trying to get everyone in Palestine killed. So I guess there's that, but I don't know.

Our government is a joke. Yeah. And like I guess I guess the last thing I want to say is I want to invite all of you. Everyone is listening to this to look at these absolute numbskulls, like look at what they're doing right now. They can't even pick the one guy who is necessary for the entire legislative branch to function. for the entire legislative branch to function. And I want you to ask yourself, could we do this? Could like any of you and like your neighbors and your friends run a political system better than this? Because I bet the answer is yes. It Could Happen Here is a production of Cool Zone Media.

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