It Could Happen Here - CZM Book Club: Clashing/Complementary, by Rafi Kleiman

Episode Date: May 24, 2026

Margaret reads you a story about an enchanted graffiti turf war and a flying bike chase.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information....

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas.
Starting point is 00:00:12 We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it. But, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick.
Starting point is 00:00:28 Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you. you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy. Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Jim Gaffigan to Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an Acapella band with their between songs banter. There's the worst singer in the group. The worst? Yeah. Me. Is there anything to the idea that because you're from Harvard.
Starting point is 00:01:01 You only got in because your parents made a huge donation. The group. The yard birds, right? That's the name. The Harvard Yard's, but they're open. Do you have a name suggestion?
Starting point is 00:01:12 We're open. Since you guys are middle age, one erection. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. You love me. I need some.
Starting point is 00:01:30 Some jokes to make me seem funny. The story I've told myself can then shape my behavior, and that can lead me to sabotage the possibility of connection. This Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast Deeply Well with Debbie Brown. If you've been searching for a soft place to land while doing the work to become whole, this podcast is for you to hear more.
Starting point is 00:01:54 Listen to Deeply Well with Debbie Brown from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcast. or wherever you get your podcast. This is Saigon, the story of my family and of the country that shaped us. From IHeart Podcasts, Saigon. You don't think I'm serious about a free Vietnam? One city, a divided country, and the war that tore America apart. It's for Vietnam.
Starting point is 00:02:19 They're pouring patril all over here. Freedom for Vietnam! There's a fire coming to this country and it's going to burn out everything. Listen to Saigon on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Allzone Media. Club. Buclub. Club.
Starting point is 00:02:42 Buclub. Hello. And welcome to the Coolzone Media Book Club. The only book club where you don't have to do the reading, because I do it for you. And this week, we have a little sweet treat for you. The last couple weeks have been heavy and serious. So Hazel and I thought, hey, what's a better palate cleanser and an enchanted graffiti turf war.
Starting point is 00:03:06 You know, it's the kind of thing that we've all dealt with. Today, we are reading Clashing slash complimentary. It doesn't have the word slash in there. It's just a slash. You probably figured that out. By Rafi Klyman. This story is from the 2020 collection Transgalactic Bike Ride, which is edited by Lydia Rogue and is part of the Bikes in Space series for Microcosm Publishing.
Starting point is 00:03:32 The story is fun, it's weird, and, you know, I hope you like it. And if you don't like it, well, you probably won't listen to it all. Clashing slash complimentary by Rafi Klyman. Charlie tagged in four very specific places, the chain link fence near her old middle school. At the subway stop, her mom used to take to work, on the corner by her family's old apartment building and in the dead-end brick alleyway between a warehouse and a flower shop. The latter was her favorite. Her mom had loved flowers, and putting her mark there and then buying one of the long-stemmed
Starting point is 00:04:17 $1-dollar roses by the front felt like paying homage. Charlie put the rose in the living room of the apartment she shared with her father and replaced it every couple of weeks. The shop had a basic enchantment that kept the flowers bright longer, as well as a sign that crawled with moving vines that traced the letters. The flower shop was cheery and pretty, and Charlie didn't know who owned the brick wall she tagged. But it wasn't really attached to either of the buildings it sat between.
Starting point is 00:04:47 And there weren't any cameras she could see, so she figured it wasn't a big deal. It was tucked away like a secret, because the alley had a seemingly useless turn just before the end. Big, empty, beautiful brick sealed away from the, public by walls that blocked the view from the street. Charlie had never seen another tag there in the months she'd been doing it, almost half a year. And then, all at once, she started to see them all the time. The first time, Charlie had felt charitable. So what if there was a green and gold
Starting point is 00:05:22 on one of her tagging territory? Please get that. So what if there was green and gold on one of her tagging territories? Clearly, someone was new to the game. and she should be forgiving and kind. If her newest tag overlapped the other one, just a little bit at the end, it was an accident, easily deniable. The second time, she gritted her teeth and worked to make her purple tag
Starting point is 00:05:47 as big as she could cram into the space. She hadn't brought her enchanted paint because she didn't think she'd need it today. She'd planned something small and simple, and that just wouldn't work anymore. The green and gold tag was glowing softly, low and contained like a firefly, and the only way to deal with it was to go huge. She spent much more time there than she would usually risk,
Starting point is 00:06:12 planning and executing her tag so it sprawled out and twisting purple spikes across nearly the entire wall. Towards the end of her work, not quite finished. Charlie heard footsteps at the mouth of the alley. Heart leaping into her throat, she pulled her hoodie over her face and bolted. She ran out the alley and away without waiting to see if someone was actually there looking for her. To be extra safe, she skipped her usual bus stop,
Starting point is 00:06:40 walking a few extra blocks to reach the next one. Getting arrested wasn't part of any plan that she had. Her mom might have understood that she had done it in the name of art. Her mom would have touched her face with paintbrushed calloused hands and told Charlie about dumb things she had done when she was young and beauty had called. called for her, years before she filled the sunniest corner of Charlie's parents' bedroom with easels and canvases. But her mom's brushes were dusty because Charlie wasn't ready to pick
Starting point is 00:07:11 them up herself. And her dad wouldn't get it without her mom to explain to him the point of putting beauty in unexpected places, and how, just because graffiti wasn't traditional, didn't mean it was any lesser. And there were things that her mom likely wouldn't have said, but Charlie might have, if she could talk to her, artist to artist. About how traditional art forms were fine, but if there was an artist like Charlie in a museum, it was a special exhibition, not part of the main collection. How graffiti might be Charlie's only chance to see her work on a public wall.
Starting point is 00:07:46 Maybe her dad would have gotten that if she tried, for all that he didn't quite understand art, but that conversation required talking about the graffiti. And for that, Charlie felt like she needed her mom. The next time Charlie went to her alley, there were no tags at all. This happened sometimes, every so often the wall got cleaned off. In some of her other tagging spots, like by the middle school, walls got painted over with a fresh coat of beige and boring. She mostly chose spaces that weren't bothered with often.
Starting point is 00:08:18 Charlie didn't paint storefronts or private homes, but getting the art cleaned up by the city was part of the ritual. It was a blank canvas. It was a new start. This time, she felt especially good about it. Balance was restored. She'd made her point. Her space was hers again. She thought that for about a week until she went back and saw
Starting point is 00:08:40 sharp written in green bubble letters, filled in with metallic gold and shimmering in the light. Charlie sent a text to herself as a reminder to put more diverse enchantments on her paint and got to work. Soon, the harsh chemical scent
Starting point is 00:08:56 hung in the air and Charlie gave a vindictive little smile and shook her can, hearing the distinctive rattle of spray paint. She went over the paint on the wall again, deepening the color with another layer. The can was firm and cold against the nubs of her bitten down fingernails, just a little painful on tender cuticles. When the encoaching green and gold was absolutely covered up with a fresh coat of purple, her tag done thick and heavy to block it out. She gave the brick a fond tap. There was really nothing wrong with watching paint dry.
Starting point is 00:09:31 She stepped back to stare at it, waiting for the enchantments to come into effect. Her mom had taught her this one, when Charlie was just old enough to try. While Charlie and her dad had been cleaning out her mom's desk just after, they had found a partly filled notebook with ideas for more. Charlie had taken it with her dad's fervent blessing. But she hadn't added much of her own yet.
Starting point is 00:09:56 Her phone buzzed in her jean pockets, and she scooped it out and flipped it open, eyes still tracing the fresh paint. Hey. Hey, Miha, where are you? Are you going to be home for dinner? Yeah, Dad, I'll just be a little while longer. I'm checking something out from the library.
Starting point is 00:10:14 She wins as she said it. There was a library book in her backpack from her visit earlier that day, a built-in alibi. If they were talking earlier, it would have been true. At least there was that. A truck went by on the street behind her,
Starting point is 00:10:28 Charlie pressed the phone harder to her face in the hopes that her breathing would drown it out. She picked at her nails, the phone stuck between her ear and the round curve of her shoulder. I'm making omelets, he said, and Charlie could hear the smile in his voice. Well, you know how I feel about breakfast at night?
Starting point is 00:10:46 Charlie replied. You can invite a friend over if you want. We have plenty of eggs, and cheese. I may have bought too much cheese. That's all right. It's a little late to invite someone. one for dinner. The sun was starting to sink into the city, dying pavement gold. There was a pause and Charlie heard water running. In her mind's eye, Charlie could see her dad washing the dishes.
Starting point is 00:11:11 Before her actual eyes, Charlie's art seemed to solidify. The air hummed with the magic working, and she closed her eyes to lean into it, to feel it in her fingers and her blood. You're still looking for work? Her father asked, trying to sound so casual. Charlie's ribs squeezed tight around her heart. She pressed her face against the cool brick, focusing on her magic moving so close by. Yeah, Dad. She was, but she knew that wasn't really what he was asking.
Starting point is 00:11:41 I'll do school next year. All sorts of people take gap years, and they'll have something saved up for all those loans. You should let me worry about that, he chided. It's my job, not yours. Okay, Charlie said, unwilling to fight. I should get going, so I can catch the bus.
Starting point is 00:11:59 I'll see you soon. Love you. She flipped her phone closed, grateful she'd escaped before he could bring up moving out or colleges with programs that might be good for her, but also might be far away, and combing through sketchbooks for something that could count as a portfolio.
Starting point is 00:12:15 He'd probably ask at dinner, and she wouldn't know what to say or how to explain, because she never did. She couldn't tell him he wasn't used to being left alone yet, because he'd tell her not to worry. and he would try not to look sad. As Charlie left her alley, she shot a look over her shoulder at her tag,
Starting point is 00:12:35 which was pulsing steadily, like it had a heartbeat of its own. She bought two roses that day to replace the one that had died. Two days later, she returned. She had never visited the alley this often when she was the only one using it. Her tag was still there.
Starting point is 00:12:51 The enchantment had weakened, and now the pulse was slow enough it was barely visible. Next to it, in letters twice as big, was sharp and pointy, green, and gold, enchanted, so it faded in and out, rhythmically, alternating letters. It was beautiful. Charlie was furious she hadn't figured it out first.
Starting point is 00:13:15 She was also furious that the signature was done so differently than last time, willing the mystery tagger to make up their mind. Charlie had decided on a tag before she even started, like you were meant to. She had practiced in notebooks and on the edges of napkins until she got it right. Charlie shook her can hard, took it to the wall, felt the pre-enchanted paint stain her fingertips, and put all her spite and longing and frustration into something even bigger. But do you know what I, dear listener, put all of my spite and frustration into?
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Starting point is 00:14:45 So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And... Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers... Mm-hmm. This is how you guys remember it going down?
Starting point is 00:15:04 Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,
Starting point is 00:15:21 or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Jim Gaffigan to Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman, help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and headwriter, Streeter Seidel, help an acapella band with their between songs banter.
Starting point is 00:15:46 There's the worst singer in the group. The worst? Yeah. Me. Is there anything to the idea that because you're from Harvard, you only got in because your parents made a huge donation. The yard birds, right? That's the name.
Starting point is 00:16:02 The Harvard Yard. They're open to change. Do you have a name suggestion? We're open. Since you guys are middle aged, one erection. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Huber me. I need some jokes to make me seem funny.
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Starting point is 00:17:24 And we're back. The next time she came, Charlie knew something was wrong right away when she turned down the alley. The familiar acrid scent of paint was already there, and she could hear the distant hiss of a can. With all the might she could muster, Charlie tried to make herself feel like more than she was, aware that she wasn't very imposing,
Starting point is 00:17:56 and her paint-stained old flannel and jeans ripped at the knees, dark hair braided down her back. She sped up, ran down the line of aged red brick, and rounded the corner. Kneeling in front of yet another piece, near complete, was a person with a shaved head and a pierced nose. A bicycle was propped against the far wall, scuffed and scratched all over. Charlie came to a stop, pointing one accusatory finger. You! The other person jumped, clapped a hand to their chest, and turned. An oversized button clipped into their plain black t-shirt said, they slash them, the letters huge on a holographic rainbow background. There was no missing that, Charlie thought, annoyed by her own approval. No one who saw it could pretend they didn't know. The stranger relaxed visibly when they caught sight of Charlie.
Starting point is 00:18:52 Fucking hell! I thought you were the cops! You wish it was the cops. You're the one who's been painting in my space. What the fuck are you doing here? Charlie stared down at the interloper, bigger with fury, than she would be otherwise, and still couldn't keep herself from saying more. Sorry, language. The question stands. I do not wish it was the cops. Your space? It's just a wall. Comprehension dawned on their face, and they gave Charlie a look that was half assessing, half sheepish. You're the one with the purple. I was wondering. It's not just a wall, Charlie sputtered. Taggers have territories. Who even are you?
Starting point is 00:19:32 I'm sharp, Sharp said, pointing at the, word on the wall, an unfinished golden outline. That's your tag, not your name. Dude, I painted on walls because it's my name. I am not your dude, Charlie protested, stomping one foot, and feeling sort of foolish. She couldn't let it go now, though, not after she'd made such a big deal out of it. Why would you paint your real name on a wall where anyone can see? Well, it's not my legal name, it's just my name.
Starting point is 00:20:02 Sharp looked at her for a moment, their expression curious. You really care a lot about this. Is there something wrong with that? I care a lot. So what? I wouldn't be breaking the law if it didn't matter to me. Charlie pulled her flannel tighter against her skin as a gust of cold wind came winding down the alley,
Starting point is 00:20:20 frowning at Sharp in a way she hoped was frightening. Why do you do it if you don't care? Do no, Sharp shrugged. I didn't say I don't care, but like, I do it for fun. I'm an artist. I put my art out there. It's fun and it pisses the cops off. I didn't realize this is like your area.
Starting point is 00:20:41 Explains why you are painting over my shit. Charlie deflated, trying to clutch the last of herselfrighteous rage in her fists. She picked it her nail polish, chipping in black, watched the flake fall. That was kind of rude to me, I guess. Sorry. Eh, sharp replied. Doesn't really matter much. It's street art. It'll get painted over or washed away eventually anyway. I can always make more.
Starting point is 00:21:06 Charlie took a couple of steps closer as Sharp turned their attention back to the wall in front of them, spraying another line in green. The stud in their nose was a green gem bright against their skin. How did you do the enchantment from last week? Charlie blurted eventually. I can never get my paint to come out like that. The rhythm doesn't stick. Are you enchanting the paint or the art?
Starting point is 00:21:28 Sharp asked without turning around, lining their work and coiling green, like the vines on the storefront nearby. Uh, the paint? You can't just enchant the painting when it's done. That'd take way too long for one piece. Beg to differ. Sharp put their can down
Starting point is 00:21:45 and lined their fingers up on either side of the wet paint. It smudged just a little, pressing into the whirls of their fingertips. Watch! They made a face of deep concentration, worrying their brow and sucking their lower lip up against their teeth, and then exhaled all at once. Charlie could feel the familiar tingle of magic being performed nearby.
Starting point is 00:22:08 That couldn't be right. Sharp hadn't said the words yet. They didn't have anything set up. Sharp muttered to themselves, something nearly indecipherable about art and light in the way the sun felt, glitter and power, and pulled one hand down to clutch at a stone hanging around their neck. Quartz, Charlie thought, for amplification.
Starting point is 00:22:28 The tag shimmered and then began to sway. See? Sharp asked. If you do it once it's up, it's more personalized, I guess. So the intention is stronger, I don't know. I've always done it like this. Charlie gaped at them, impressed, and also distinctly angry. That was too quick.
Starting point is 00:22:47 You didn't even use a circle or burn anything. How can you expect the enchantment to stay doing it like that? Mine lasts for a whole week at least, sometimes longer. It's art, man. I'm not expecting it to stay. I just want it to look pretty while it's there. Maybe I'll go hardcore for a permanent piece, but this is up on someone else's wall in a public place.
Starting point is 00:23:08 It'll get painted over or scratched out eventually. Charlie frowned in response, thumbing at the sleeve of her shirt. She must have been just missing Sharps' comings and goings if Charlie was catching the quickie enchantments while they were still active. I like to think we are leaving something behind, she said, for the community. even if it gets cleaned up every so often,
Starting point is 00:23:31 brightening things up with art. I don't know how much most of the community likes as painting on their stores, Sharp said, with a wry little look. Or warehouses or whatever. I've seen your work on the subway station, though. That one's always nice. Makes the commute less boring.
Starting point is 00:23:47 You recognized it? Charlie could feel her ears going red. You always use the same purple, yeah. And I think the letters are the same? I'm not sure. It's always so stylized. can't really read it. I know there's a C in there. What's your name anyway? Why should I tell you? Well, I told you mine. But that's not a name anyone could identify you with, Charlie protested.
Starting point is 00:24:11 She felt silly, but couldn't seem to stop being difficult regardless. And you're some random person I just met. You could be anyone. You could be a criminal. I am a criminal, sharp pointed out, gesturing at the painted up walls around them. You're a criminal too. It's not like tagging as particularly badass or threatening. I could hurt you without knowing your name if I really wanted to, but we've just been chatting. When Charlie still hesitated, Sharp got to their feet and glanced around the alleyway. Charlie felt strangely vindicated in the realization that Sharp was at least a couple inches shorter
Starting point is 00:24:45 than she was, even if their tag was bigger. Or I could come up with a name based on the tag, I guess. Is that an M? C and M? Corn muffin. I could call you corn muffin. It's not an M. Well, then I guess you should tell me your real name, so I have something else to call you. Charlie, she admitted, dragging the toe of her shoe against the rough concrete.
Starting point is 00:25:09 It's Charlie. Cool, Sharp said. Better than what I came up with. Do you want to shake hands? Charlie asked. I feel like we're supposed to shake hands. If you don't mind getting paint on you, Sharp said. Charlie gestured at her own paint-stained clothing, and Sharp laughed like they were surprised. That's a point. All right.
Starting point is 00:25:31 They stepped closer and extended their hand, and Charlie grasped it, noting that Sharp's hands were bigger and a little rougher than hers. There was a smear of green on Charlie's index finger when she pulled her hand back, and she looked at it for a moment. Part of her regretted that there wasn't paint on her hands, that she could leave on Sharp to make it fair. The sound of sirens very close and two men speaking broke the comfortable quiet. Charlie shot a panicked look down the alley.
Starting point is 00:25:58 "'Shit!' Sharpe hissed, and Charlie wholeheartedly agreed. "'There's nowhere to go,' Charlie said, looking back and forth "'between the tall brick wall behind them and the cops, "'who had just begun down the mouth of the alley.' "'Yeah, there is. You can come with me,' Sharp said, "'grabbed the bicycle that was propped against the far wall. "'It was painted a garish-lime green, "'and now that Charlie was looking at it more carefully,
Starting point is 00:26:23 "'what she had thought were scratches, "'were actually sigils etched all over the surface, right into the paint. Charlie recognized one of the symbols and shook her head wildly. Her hands already beginning to tremble. No, no, no, I am not getting on that thing. It's that or explain yourself to the police, Sharp said, and handed Charlie a backpack that clinked when it moved.
Starting point is 00:26:46 Put this on. Charlie did, even while she continued shaking her head. Is it even licensed? Do you even have helmets? Huh, no, Sharp said. and just one. They leaned in and clipped a shiny silver helmet onto Charlie's head, her braid pressing uncomfortably into her scalp. I am not running away from the police on your illegal bicycle.
Starting point is 00:27:09 You're already painting illegally on buildings. What's the difference? A bigger fine, Charlie hissed, shooting a panic, look down the alley, peeking out from behind the wall that shielded them. I can't afford that. The cops were significantly closer. They may not have been able to see them yet. down in the curve at the end of the alleyway, but it wouldn't be long.
Starting point is 00:27:30 Sharp swung their legs onto the bicycle, ignoring the pedals entirely but gripping the handles. They were so far forward that they straddled the frame, leaving almost the entirety of the bike seat behind them free. For her, Charlie realized, they were leaving space for Charlie. You won't get fined at all if we don't get fucking caught, Sharp said, and, well, Charlie never had a hard time fighting when she wanted to, but she didn't have any reasonable response to. that. With one last nervous glance
Starting point is 00:27:59 toward the sound of the approaching cops, Charlie clambered up onto the bike, Sharp's backpack swinging with her. Okay, now put your arms around me, Sharp said, urgent. Charlie couldn't bring herself to argue. She wrapped her arms around Sharp's waist. Her hands interlocked against the soft heat of their
Starting point is 00:28:17 stomach. Sharp tensed in concentration, muttering under their breath. Up, up! Come on, you piece of shit. I don't have time for this right now. I don't want to get you out of impound. The bike lurched a couple of feet into the air, not high enough to make the wall. Oh God, Charlie said, her whole body tight with fear. Much like, dear listener, how my whole body is tight with fear every time I have to read an ad transition. Will I do it right? Will I do honor and justice to the amazing products and services that support this show? I'm always
Starting point is 00:28:55 afraid I won't, but here they are. Canadian women are looking for more. More to themselves, their businesses, their elected leaders, and the world around them. And that's why we're thrilled to introduce the Honest Talk podcast. I'm Jennifer Stewart. And I'm Catherine Clark. And in this podcast, we interview Canada's most inspiring women. Entrepreneurs, artists, athletes, politicians, and newsmakers, all at different stages of their journey.
Starting point is 00:29:25 So if you're looking to connect, then we hope you'll join us. Listen to the Honest Talk podcast on IHartRadio or wherever you listen to your podcasts. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast. Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a podcast. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys?
Starting point is 00:29:57 I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should. call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say,
Starting point is 00:30:18 Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy. Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Jim Gaffigan to Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman,
Starting point is 00:30:45 help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an acapella band with their between songs banter. There's the worst singer in the group. The worst? Yeah. Me. Is there anything to the idea that? because you're from Harvard, you only got in because your parents made a huge donation. The group.
Starting point is 00:31:09 The yard birds, right? That's the name. The Harvard yard, but they're open. Do you have a name suggestion? We're open. Since you guys are middle-aged, one erection. Listen to humor me with Robert Smygel
Starting point is 00:31:22 and friends on the I-Heart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. You love me. I need some jokes to make me seem funny. The story I've told myself about love or relationships can then shape my behavior, and that can lead me to sabotage the possibility of connection. This Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast deeply well with Debbie Brown and explore the journey of healing, self-discovery, and returning to yourself.
Starting point is 00:31:55 We explore higher consciousness, emotional well-being, and the process. practices that help you find clarity, peace, and self-mastery in a world that can feel overwhelming. The world is becoming lonelier. We're not becoming more social and connected. We're becoming more individualized, but we actually meet people in connection. If you've been searching for a soft place to land while doing the work to become whole, this podcast is for you to hear more. Listen to deeply well with Debbie Brown from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And we're back.
Starting point is 00:32:44 Come on, come on, come on. Sharp coaxed like their bicycle as a frightened cat and a tree. Get down from there! A voice behind them yelled, and Charlie gripped tight to Sharp and squeezed her eyes shut. She pressed her face into the back of Sharp's neck, praying they were far enough away that it couldn't be seen. The bike made a whirring noise,
Starting point is 00:33:06 its wheels spinning with nothing beneath them. and then shot up higher. Charlie squeaked when she could feel the wind go past her ears. She squeezed her arms tighter around Sharp's stomach, earning a half-hearted oof from them. Don't look down, Sharp said. Why would you say that? Charlie asked, her eyes snapping open. Now all I can think about is, oh, oh, gods.
Starting point is 00:33:32 The ground was very far below them, but somehow not far enough, because the cops were hurrying back to their own vehicle. They're going to chase us. They can't chase us. They'd look ridiculous. Imagine the headlines. Two coppers drive after a pair of young people on a flying bicycle and lose them.
Starting point is 00:33:50 We haven't lost them yet, Charlie insisted, and her voice came out very high in her throat. Drive, come on. You've got to know how to do more than go up. Okay, okay, hold on. The bicycle began to speed forward, staying level as it did. Sharp's fingers were white-knuckled on the handlebars, but the bike was being held upright by its own power, not attached to either rider with rope or clenched thighs.
Starting point is 00:34:15 They're following us. Sharp, if we don't lose them, we can't come down. Okay, okay, calm down, I'm on it. Sharp snapped, tension in their voice. The yelling isn't exactly helping Charlie. Sorry, Charlie said, her voice almost lost in the wind. I just, I can't believe I'm in a police chase. I can't believe this is happening.
Starting point is 00:34:35 Escape now, Sharp said, processed, later. The bike made a sickening right turn, wobbling slightly in the air as it tipped them sideways, and Charlie squeezed her eyes shut again. It was still holding itself in the right place. But how long could that last? Oh, gods, oh gods, Charlie repeated under her breath. The police car roared to life below them, following as they flew above the city's streets. Sharp dodged an oncoming power line, and Charlie felt herself nearly overbalance. She locked her legs into the bike's frame and held on tighter. Her hands fisted in Sharpe's t-shirt. She could feel every inch of Sharp's big black backpack on her spine,
Starting point is 00:35:14 bumping up against her as they moved. From below them came the sound of sirens, then a loud, incongruous roar. Charlie looked over her shoulder, her stomach twisting at the view, just in time to see the police car push off the ground. Sharp, Charlie started, but Sharp was already nodding. I saw, shit, said Sharp. the one traffic patrol in the city with flying permissions.
Starting point is 00:35:39 Of course, a fucking course. They leaned forward and the bicycle tipped with them, heading downwards. Charlie readjusted her arms around Sharp's waist, closing her eyes against the rush of the wind as the ground jolted towards them, putting a fence between them and the police car that could do absolutely nothing to keep them away now that they were in the air. Okay, Sharp yelled over the noise. The way I figure it were smaller and stupider than they are.
Starting point is 00:36:05 are. We just have to go somewhere they can't follow. Charlie could feel ice settle in her stomach, but she scanned the road as they flew down it, searching for any lifeline. The green bicycle's wheels spun freely beneath them, though the pedal stayed still. Charlie knew the streets here, full of weird nooks and crannies and shortcuts she had used when she was in high school. There had to be something. Her vision caught on a narrow back alley with a shadowed, gaping mouth, a piled high dumpster had been wedged in front of the walls, unable to fit any further down the alleyway. Charlie leaned in closer to reach Sharp's pierced ear. There, go left, Charlie risked pulling one of her hands off of Sharp's waist to point, wobbling in her seat. We can go through the alleys.
Starting point is 00:36:52 They won't fit. They can go above, but maybe if we're fast enough, they won't know which way we went. Gotcha, Sharp replied, and promptly turned right. Uh, I didn't mention, it doesn't go left. I haven't figured that bit out yet. Oh, for the love of Charlie twisted her fingers into the hem of Sharp's shirt. She was probably stretching it out, but she couldn't seem to care, not right now. She'd feel bad later. Turn right two more times. Sharp turned and turned again, and the world went wonky in front of Charlie's eyes. Trash bags dragged under Charlie's dangling sneakers as they cleared the dumpster, then picked up speed. They soared over the narrow back roads, faster than their pursuers could follow. Though here there was no space to turn again and again for one left.
Starting point is 00:37:39 The walls were close on either side of them, scratching at Charlie's shirt sleeves, but she couldn't mind when they were so much closer to the ground now. She urged sharp and their bike through skinny streets and back behind businesses. They wound their way through the back roads until the sirens faded, and then they did it some more, pushing the bicycle fast enough that the wind rang in their ears and the sound of their pursuers was like a distant memory. Where should we touch down? Sharp asked when it seemed very nearly safe. A few more streets, Charlie answered, and turned to make sure there was nothing worrying at their backs. Somewhere near a bus line. The two of them hovered past buildings and street signs,
Starting point is 00:38:21 and finally Sharp took them down in a nearly deserted neighborhood park. They parked their bicycle behind a tree in an attempt at the most subtlety one could get with a bright green flying bicycle, and vaulted off it while Charlie stumbled on weak legs, leaning against the trunk. Sharp began to laugh, loud and breathless like they couldn't stop themselves. The park was lonely and painted with long shadows. The sun was aching to set. Charlie looked at Sharp to find them grinning at her with their fingers still tensed at their sides, not quite fearless, and Charlie cracked a smile back.
Starting point is 00:38:59 That was terrifying. It absolutely was, but what a goddamn rush. We did it. Sharp kicked the parking breakdown on the bicycle to give it a well-deserved rest and ducked in to kiss Charlie on the cheek. Charlie felt her face burn and hoped it looked like adrenaline. Thank you. You saved my ass. Both are asses. Sharp pulled back, holding themselves at a hovering distance as they looked for more to say. And you can give my backpack to me now. It took Charlie a minute to remember she was holding it.
Starting point is 00:39:33 Oh, right, Charlie handed it over. Her shoulders had begun to ache now that they were safely on the ground. So had her legs. What's in there anyway? It's really heavy. She picked her nail polish and pushed out her last words in a rush before they could fly away. And I couldn't have saved anything if you hadn't saved me first by letting me on your horrible green death trap.
Starting point is 00:39:54 So thank you. Me and my death trap say you're welcome, replied, their smile's still broad. And it's paint, mostly anyway, couldn't hold it and still have you behind me, you know, especially with steering. We probably would have fallen off and died. Thanks for that. What, for not letting us die by holding your paint? That in navigating, I probably would have kept on heading right. I'm not used to flying yet. This baby's pretty new. They tapped their nails against the board, beaming. That wasn't half bad for a trial run. You hadn't used it before, Charlie asked, her eyebrows shooting up to her hairline.
Starting point is 00:40:34 Not like that, Sharp replied, bouncing on their toes. Charlie took a shaky breath and reminded herself that she hadn't bashed her brains out on the pavement and died, even if she had apparently been very close. I guess you're right then. That wasn't half bad. Thank you again for, you know, not leaving me to get arrested or whatever. Well, I'm not a total asshole, Sharp replied with a laugh. and like I said, I would have fallen or gotten caught without you. They bit their lower lip, and Charlie looked away, fiddling with the embroidery on her gene pockets.
Starting point is 00:41:06 So, uh, Sharp started speaking again, and Charlie's head shot right up to meet their eyes. Before you head out, for your bus, any chance of seeing you again sometime? Maybe on the ground this time, with less cops involved? Yeah, actually, Charlie said. Sure, we can get something to eat or whatever. talk about what else you do. You can show me how you did that quick enchantment on your tag. Even if you don't want it to last, that was way fast.
Starting point is 00:41:34 Charlie fished in her pockets and pulled out her phone, an old-fashioned flip. Don't laugh at me, just put your number in. Sharp took it, chuckling. Man, this thing is ancient. I said not to laugh, Charlie said. She tried to frown, but it wouldn't come. Sharp handed the phone back, a new contact still up on the screen. Okay, now you text me and I'll have yours, Sharp grinned.
Starting point is 00:41:58 I can walk you to the bus stop if you wanted, or they nodded towards their bike, their eyes sparkling. I could just drive you home. I am not ever getting back on that thing. Charlie took a big step away from the bike and a little closer to Sharp. At least not until I know you better. She thumbed out a quick message to Sharp's number, glancing up at them from behind her bangs. Her mouth corked into a smile and. Sharp smiled back, holding their phone in hand like they were just waiting for it to go off.
Starting point is 00:42:29 But I guess you can walk me, and maybe I'll consider asking you over for dinner, if you've got nothing else going on, but only if you promise to keep at least one foot on the ground at all times. Cross my heart, Sharp said. And if they did. The end, the story's fun. Hazel, who helps behind the scenes, says this about it. I absolutely adore. the title for this story, and I think it really hammers home what Rafi is trying to do. Two different colors can clash in their difference or complement each other, just like two people can. I love that metaphor for figuring out how to fall in love with someone who is really different from you, figuring out how to round each other out like complementary colors.
Starting point is 00:43:14 Rafi Kleinman, who wrote the story, shared this with us. Quote, I've always cared a lot about there being more fiction that's diverse without it being necessarily just focused on what it's like to be queer or trans or disabled or part of any other marginalized group. More characters who just are those things, and that factors into their experience for sure, but they're also doing other things like space piracy or running away from cops on flying bicycles or somehow destroying a monarchy in a polyamorous manner. Experiences with bigotry or self-realization and coming out is the focus of so much LGBTQ fiction especially. And sometimes we are just queerly living our lives in other ways. I think everyone in groups I'm part of and ones I'm not
Starting point is 00:43:58 deserves as much fiction of varying genres and levels of seriousness as cis-hete white men have gotten. I also, unrelatedly, think that you should never talk to cops. Transgalactic bike ride had such a fun premise for an anthology, and I was delighted to combine those beliefs in this story. As for who Rafi is, Rafi Klyman is a queer, Jewish, non-binary author of speculative sci-fi and fantasy. They know firsthand the value of being able to see yourself reflected in the media you consume, and they believe it's vitally important that people of all types, especially those who have been historically underserved, are thoroughly represented in fiction. They love modern fantasy, bad puns, mythical creatures of all kinds, and live punk shows.
Starting point is 00:44:43 They believe thoroughly in the power of hope, community, and friendship, but also believe that necromancy is pretty cool and maybe not that big of a deal. You can find them at Blue Sky at R-D-K-R-D-K-R-S-K-Y. And my name is Margaret Kiljoy, and you can also find me on Blue Sky at Margaret. I got Margaret on Blue Sky. I will be bragging about that
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