It Could Happen Here - CZM Book Club: Hermetica, by Alan Lea, Part Two

Episode Date: August 10, 2025

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Hello. And welcome to the Cool Zone Media Book Club. The only book club where you don't have to do the reading, because I do the reading for you. I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and every week I bring new stories, or story-adjacent things sometimes. But this time it's stories. Because this time, as you probably notice from the title, it is part two of a novella called Hermitica by Alan Lee, which was published by Detritus Books in 2021. And I'm really excited that we got permission to run that novella here for you all. Alan Lee is the speculative fiction pen name for Peter Gelderlose

and Peter Gelderlose for folks who aren't familiar is the author of a bunch of nonfiction books that you might have read including the solutions already here and how nonviolence protects the state if you like this story well you should tell Alan Lee to write more stories but if you want nonfiction you can go out and check Peter's story books, and you can also check out Peter Substack, which is Surviving Leviathan, which has a lot of different essays and things that are good. Because if you like the things that Peter says, you'll like the things that Peter says. That seems self-evident now that I say it out loud.

But what isn't self-evident is what's going to happen next. I'm going to do the thing where I read a couple paragraphs of what had just happened, just so that you are caught up, even though there's going to be a scene transition. But it's a flashback to when days our protagonist is taking a test. Before the test begins, you will all go into config and set the test time back to 9-20-0. Use this override. A 12-digit passcode appeared on the main screen. That was certainly irregular, and it hardly seemed fair. They had now lost five full minutes from their testing time, and no one ever got through all the problems. Days decided not to comply. Still, frightened of the examiner, they moved their fingers over the tactile, so they'd blend in with all

the others. Then the test started, and the first problem appeared on everyone's screen. okay that's where we left it with the implication at least i'm assuming that the fact that they like didn't go along with what they got told to do is like why they didn't do well on the getting along with other people thing that's my assumption all right this is the new part Days was delighted to find Snookums waiting at the module door when they walked up, arms full of groceries from the supply node. Module opened up to let two of them in, and Days gave the cat a good scratch behind the ear as soon as the groceries were safely atop the table.

They had gotten more than enough ingredients for dinner. Real tomatoes, basil, garlic, onion, mushrooms, ricotta, mozzarella, red paste, petre beef, egg sub, fresh lasagna noodles. They'd had a backlog of credit, having canceled the last week of socials. If they weren't feeling up for a social, they usually weren't feeling up for cooking. And MREs were unlimited, just a voice command away. Days was reputed to be the best cook on the block. There was not much competition, but still, it was nice to be valued for something.

As long as they canceled social appointments on bad days, friendship with days was a cherished commodity. The meals they whipped up balanced their unpredictability, the fact that so often they simply did not show up. In truth, it worked out quite well. They needed at least five days worth of credit to get enough fresh ingredients for a good meal. Taking on too many socials just wouldn't be tenable.

Axa just released a new list. Shall I put it on? Of course, module knew that Days nearly always listened to music while cooking, and Axis lists were highly rated. But today, Days had a specific melody warming its way through their brain. No, put on Dvorik, Slavonic Dance 1. Um, the 46. The orchestra erupted pleasantly through the module's walls.

And Days started on the prep, chopping the album. onion, mincing half the garlic. Front left burner, medium high, front right burner, medium. They placed two pans on the range, dripped in some olive oil. Next, they converted the mushroom into thin slices. There was an auto cutter built into the wall next to the range, but days relished the contact, the differing textures and resistance of the vegetables, the weight and the inexorable finality of the knife, a simple machine. that abetted rather than forestalled entropy. The pans were already hot.

They put the onions in one, the garlic in the other. The violins and flutes pranced with a deceptive gaiety before the bassoons came in, and the whole thing rocketed to its frenetic finale. Who were those people clapping? It must be a recorded concert from back on Terra. Hermetico was big, but Days had never heard of it having a concert,

Hall or a full symphony orchestra. Modules cycled on to Slavonic Dance 7 following Days' biostats, their reaction to the previous piece, current activity. Days had tried learning an instrument once, but had little talent or perhaps a lack of consistency. They were fascinated by music, though. One of the quirks of NTK and the new safety was that people tracked for the sciences had little access to studies on history, culture, and philosophy, basically any of the extraneous product of Terran civilization. Perhaps the architects of Hermitica had wanted a clean break.

The Terrans had discovered thermodynamics very well, but why weigh themselves down with all the other baggage of a self-destructive society? So they had libraries full of dismembered artifacts, from novels to waltzes, but little about the stories behind them. Days often found themselves wondering about the people who had created such beautiful music. They had first gotten hooked while studying for the aptitudes when certain kinds of music were boosted for improving focus and retention. Really, they were only familiar with 30-odd pieces by half a dozen composers. Didn't understand the weird number word system for cataloguing symphonies, nor what dramatic experiences the composers were drawing on.

It's something undeniable was there, reaching across the void to commune. Days turned back to the task at hand. As the melody twirled and slowed, joyous and grave, a whirlwind of life on the precipice of despair, they scooped the petra beef in with the garlic and shook on a generous dusting of cayenne. It was going to be a beautiful supper. Days stole a moment on the couch with snow. running their thumb between the cat's shoulder blades as it purred blissfully. Before long, though, they had to get back to the range, stirring the beef, the onions,

adding the mushrooms to the onions, salting them. Module picked the next score, Shostakovich's second waltz. Preheat oven to 190, front right burner to high, front left, off. They whipped together the ricottico, and the egg sub, opened the red paste, boiled the oven pan, and topped a layer of red paste with the first layer of lasagna. The petro beef was sizzling. They turned off the last burner, and then continued layering.

Veggies, meat, and red paste, lasagna, ricotta, lasagna. Mozilla on top when all the layers were in place. Then into the oven. Days can make the salad later. The tomatoes would be best if served freshly chopped. They hurried back to the couch where Snookums was still kneading the fabric and staring at them. Horns sounded, quietly at first, then joined by trombones, strings, woodwinds. They had forgotten about the music.

Module had cycled on to the 11th Symphony. Miltie should be arriving in an hour. Perfect timing. Snookum shifted its weight against Daze's thigh, and the two of them blist out, carried along by the symphony's rising emotion now tragic now heroic suddenly it was time to take the lasagna out slice the tomatoes minced the basil and garlic and then milty was there but do you know what else is here that's right the advertisers they're here to share dinner with you just imagine each one of them sitting at the table what conversation would they bring you don't really have to guess

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And we're back. Miltie had gone into organic chemistry, and their work had something to do with growing tissue samples or replacement organs that days did not fully understand. Most of the time, they worked from home, going over lab results or conducting tests by remote. But every now and then, they got to go into campus, some 20 blocks away. The standard block had four nodes, one on each end of the two perpendicular streets. A health center, a supply node, a maintenance center, and some other workstation, different for every block. Those who did not work at either of those four stations worked from home as much as possible.

Vectors on hermetica had to be kept to a constant minimum, but scientific research was a major priority on board. Hermetica had set out from Terra with a solid design and trajectory towards a cluster of star systems with a high number of promising exoplanets. But the greater part of their mission resources were impotentia, the cohorts of advanced scientists who were constantly improving the ship's propulsion, making sure life systems could find function for 500 years with no external inputs and augmenting their terraforming kits to be ready for whatever the conditions were on the exoplanet they eventually settled. None of that had ever been done before.

Laboratories were the largest spaces on the ship, entire blocks or several adjacent blocks, fitted out as scientific campuses. Days had no idea how many there were in total, but Miltie was lucky enough. to work at one of them, and they were kind enough to only tell stories that helped Days appreciate how large

their world was without feeling envious about being confined to such a small part of it. Days liked Milty. After dinner, they put on a movie, a new one that paired

Humphrey Bogart and Robert Williams in an old-style western, the first two and a probe team to land on Mars. Days loved listening to Milty laugh. The film was Miltie's recommendation. Days had rarely enjoyed westerns in the past, but they cannot think of any other new release to recommend.

In the end, they had to admit, Bogart played the perfect straight, hard-jawled, eyes on the mission, as Williams went crazy, itching at the regaliff that got inside their suit or getting in a shouting match with the air miner. Bravo, Days said when it was over. You liked it? Oh, I'm glad.

I needed to laugh today. So I have a question, Miltie said. They knew Days loved to discuss films as soon as they were done, and they always indulged them. A film studies elective had been one of Days' favorite courses in school, covering everything from sound engineering to narrative technique, in introduction for those who would go on to work in entertainment. The teacher, a kindly bearded old person, often diverged into the long history of the craft pre-exploration,

and those tangential lectures refracted through the lens of dolly zooms and fourth walls were the source of much of what days knew about Terra. Ask away. Why do they call them Westerns? I thought West was a Terran positional reference. It can only map onto a planetary surface relative to rotation, right? So is it a cultural thing? I remember some Terrans referred to themselves as Western.

There was, in fact, an esoteric joke about primitive Zontera only moving in one direction, counter to the planet's rotational spin. Days knew the answer to this one. It was true that the protagonists of Westerns were always pasty-skinned, and the bad guys, if there were any, besides misbehaving air miners and silicate factories, had their skin darkened, or in neo-Westerns. painted green. As a child, Days had assumed it was, in fact, the protagonist who painted their

skin in some bizarre old-world status aesthetic. After all, nearly all the people they had seen with such pasty skin were Terran actors. The film teacher, though, had explained that an old-world Terra, before the explorations began, the pasty-skinned phenotype had dominated the film industry and only cast themselves in the leading roles. What a bizarre place Tara must have been. and what a relief that Hermitica and all its passengers had left Terra far behind them. Actually, there are pretty specific genre requirements. A Western is a retrospective science fiction set in what was considered to be a primitive or low-tech frontier. Wow, you really paid attention in class.

Are you kidding? I ate that shit up. All electives, not enough focus on the core material, they said with a wry grin. A sure track to being a palliative therapy. or a cleaner. Hey, days. I would rather watch movies with you than with any of my work colleagues. So don't stop. Lay more of this knowledge on me. Retrospective science fiction? Yeah. The story is set in a place in the past, so low technology relative to the audience, and in a territory they'll identify as especially primitive and chaotic. Yet at the same time, it's a territory that has been

tamed and organized by the time that people are there watching the movie, a space that in fact might be identified as being at the cutting edge of their technological development. See of Humphrey Bogart, bumbling around on Mars and Tara's first attempt at extraterrestrial inhabitation, John Wayne playing suck the cesium on the Nevada test site. I guess the first works in the genre would be called the Tempest or the Aonid. By this point, Days was just really... riffing. Their old teacher had mentioned the fact about John Wayne's demise, satisfaction and bitterness waging some unexplained battle across their face. But the literary references were

connections days had come up with in the moment. No way to evaluate their historical validity. Certainly no studies to cite. Simply a pattern that felt right. Obvious even. So why Western? Oh, I guess it's a coincidence. But most of the classical or modern Westerns involved geographic travel to the west on the planetary surface. Not the case with neo-Westerns, but by that time the name had already stuck. Feeling fully comfortable now, or desirous of more attention, Snookham's got in Daze's lap. Miltie hadn't mentioned it yet, which was odd. Snookums had been rubbing against Daze's legs or purring on the couch between the two

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What cat, Miltie asked earnestly, still smiling? Snookums flicked its tail in sudden displeasure. Oh, never, long story. No, tell me. Miltie smiled again in encouragement. I was, days knew not to push it. People saw what they were going to see, and most of them hated the idea that not everyone saw the same thing.

I was thinking of applying for a companion animal. Oh, that's great. I saw one yesterday. The profile, I mean, looks really cute. Snookums jumped off Daze's lap in a huff. Miltie still didn't notice. I'm sure you'll get approved. There's not too many on our block.

You have a good record. You work in therapy. They didn't add that mental health index was also a factor. Didn't need to. I bet you'll get your first choice, too. What's it look like? The cute one. Snookums began scratching the side of the couch and patent irritation.

Like a troublemaker. Hey, do you want to be a little bit? dessert? Days had to change the subject fast before Miltie asked to see the profile. Miltie went home after dessert. Snookums was still huffy, scratching at the wall panel as Days put dishes in the chute. Their mood was starting to crash. Why did socials always end up making them feel more alone? A module? Put the music back on? Accusatory notes rang out sharply. Shostakovich's Symphony No. 13 according to the screen.

Snookums began scratching more furiously, as though it wanted to be heard over the strings. Hey, I'm sorry. Some people just don't want to see. What was I supposed to do? Days walked over and picked the cat up, hugging it tightly. Snookums forbore, then resisted, and finally, Days let it spring to the floor.

Hey, you did some damage here. Days knelt down. A corner of the wall panel had actually come loose. that wasn't good but instead of pushing it back into place the module was largely self-repairing and a little nudge to realign the panel might solve the whole thing

Days began pulling they had never seen what was behind a wall panel and at the moment the perfect stability of their environment felt like mockery it was a feeling which days would be unable to explain yet at the same time was absolutely certain the walls exuded scorn

They condescended. They knew things they assumed Days was unable to see, and they belittled their attempts to think freely. Continuing may cause structural damage. It's okay, Module. I'm trying to fix it. Actually, I need you to release this panel

so I can put it back in properly. It's misaligned. Most systems were self-regulating, and module's data certainly indicated that Days was, in fact, wrong. But a standard A standard AI parameter allowed human intervention to override system decisions in cases where

the risk only encompassed a single element and not the whole system. Human perception, however imprecise, was open-ended, and system criteria had to come from passengers anyway, so module relented. The wall panel came free. It was not the destructive release days had been hoping for, nothing like taking a hammer to the whole structure. But on her medica, all forms of release were modulated through the paramount need to compromise.

The gesture's inevitable disappointment, however, evaporated immediately. Mystery took its place. For the moment the panel came free, a sheet that had been tucked behind it fell to the ground. Snookums took a seat beside it, looking up at days pointedly. Um,

Days's hands began to tremble. Remembering their alibi, they quickly stuck the panel back in the wall. Okay, that should do it. Panel is aligned and secured. Their mouth dry, Days picked up the sheet off the floor. Its texture was strange, brittle. Its tones muted and dirty. It was covered with minuscule writing on both sides.

But when Days tried to enlarge, nothing happened. Had it been back there so long it had run out of battery? They shook it a few times and tried again. Nothing. A device like that should be Piazoelectric, but maybe it was malfunctioned. Maybe that was why it had been discarded back there. Days stood and brought the sheet to the range.

If it had any internal circuits, even malfunctioning ones, the range would detect them, recharge them, and if possible, repair them. Nothing. The range did not recognize the sheet as electronic. Days looked closer, twisted an edge of it. It seemed to be made of some kind of fiber and not one they were familiar with. Well, they'd have to do this the old-fashioned way.

Squinting, they began to read. Along the top, there was a date, June 12th, 2023. Below a yellowing margin, an article began. experts as vaccine hopes falter choking sickness here to stay dun dun dun that's the end of part two what does it all mean why is there a presumably newspaper hidden inside the wall one of the reasons that i like this book is i have a specific fondness for generationships i think i first read orphans in the guy, which I could not tell you the first thing about when I was very young, and just a book by Heinlein, is a very complicated author. It's the easiest way to put that.

And just this idea that since we can't assume that we'll ever have warp speed or hyperspace or faster than light travel, that if humanity is ever going to get to the stars, we're going to have generation ships, we're going to have ships where people live and die and, you know, have their entire lives, like, on these ships. And it's always been an idea that fascinates me. It's funny because it's, like, just as much science fiction feeling as, like, light speed to me. But that's because we can't even get biodomes to work here on Earth, to my understanding.

But that's because we don't try enough, I think. I think that a hermetically sealed environment, a hermetica, as it were, it's like probably possible, you know, but we certainly haven't nailed it. It's why I can't take people like Elon Musk seriously. There's a million reasons I can't take Elon Musk personally, seriously. But it's why I can't take anyone claiming to be looking at Mars expedition seriously. Because the problem with getting to Mars, there's so many problems. But it's not rocketry.

The first and foremost problem is sealed environments, is biodomes. And so that's what people would be putting their efforts into if they were actually serious about it. Anyway, that's my rant about generation ships. But join us next week. We get to part three of Hermetica by Alan Lee. And if you want to read more from the author, you can do by finding the other name they write under Peter Gelderlose, which is G-E-L-D-E-R-L-O-O-O-S.

You can find him on Substack, Surviving Leviathan, or you can check out many of his books. you can probably check out all of his books, but he has many of them. They talk about anarchism and they talk about history and they talk about tactics and they talk about, well, the solutions are already here, is about how there's a lot of ways that we can deal with climate change and things like that. And it's not by science fiction breakthroughs, but by looking at things that already work. Speaking of already working, I already did my work of reading your work of reading,

this episode. So I'm signing off now. This is Margaret Kiljoy. You can find me wherever you want to and I probably am there. But I'm also on Substack. That's where I kind of write the most consistently right now. I also have another podcast called Cool People who did cool stuff,

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