It Could Happen Here - CZM Book Club: Phone Resistance, by Safear Ness -- with In The Belly Magazine

Episode Date: June 7, 2026

This week we are collaborating with In The Belly Magazine to read you a short memoir piece about organizing behind bars.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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CoolZone media. Book club, book club, book club, book club. Hello, everybody. And welcome to the Cool Zone Media Book Club. The only book club where you don't have to do the reading is I do it for you. And this week and next week, we are in. collaboration within the belly magazine, which is a revolutionary abolitionist publication by and for incarcerated people in their communities.

I'm really excited about this collaboration and really appreciative to Hazel who helped make it happen. And we're collaborating with In the Belly in celebration of June 11th, which you're like, but Margaret, today is June 7th. Well, did you know we don't release on whatever day of the week the 11th is, but that we release on Sundays? You probably did know that, and June 11th is coming up, or it's in the past and the future, depending on when you're listening to this.

June 11th, you might ask me what that is. June 11th is the International Day of Solidarity with Long-term Anarchist Prisoners. This is a holiday that was initially begun by the support crew of Marius Mason, who was a long-haul Earth Liberation activist. imprisoned for 17 years for acts carried out in defense of the planet. He was actually just released a few weeks ago, and he was released back to his community in Detroit and his staying in a halfway house.

But this June 11th, you can celebrate solidarity with political prisoners, and all prisoners are political prisoners because we live in a incarceration society. You can write a letter to somebody inside, or you can decorate a freedom tree to remember all our comrades, who are still locked up. You can look for a gathering near you for June 11th,

or you can hold your own. Marius is a fierce organizer and raised a lot of hell while he was on the inside, especially fighting for gender-affirming care for himself and other people as a trans man in prison. According to his website, quote, it is believed that he was the first trans-masculine person

to obtain transition-related health care after coming into federal custody, setting a precedent for others coming after him. So thank you, Marius. So yeah, this week and next week, we are excited to remind people that we live in an incarceration society where almost 1% of the adult population is in prison. And we want to uplift incarcerated artists, organizers, and rebels. And so this week, this week is going to be a memoir piece about prison organization. Next week, we're going to hear directly from prisoners as they read.

their own poetry. But this week, we're reading a memoir piece by the In The Belly editor and organizer, Safier Ness, about their time inside and their reflections on how to organize to win. And honestly, this is a like, if you also listen to my show, cool people did cool stuff. This is just like a little micro-perfect story of people coming together and fighting and winning. It's pieces called phone resistance by Sophia Ness. Could you live without your cell phone? How would you function? Most people in the free world couldn't imagine life without it.

Prisoners don't have that privilege. Cell phones are prohibited in Pennsylvania State Prison. But for those locked away, there are a few things more precious than the phone. It's mounted on the wall, costs a dollar for 15 minutes, and is limited to 20 numbers that must be pre-approved by the prison. Despite its limitations, it's our lifeline to the free world. We live our lives through it. Some get married on it.

Others divorced. Parents raise children. Children care for parents. We laugh, scream, and cry through the receiver. In prison, a phone is much more than a phone. The mission of the Pennsylvania Department of Corrections, P.A. DOC is to, quote, reduce criminal behavior by providing individualized treatment and education to offenders, resulting in successful community reintegration through accountability and positive change.

The emptiness of their words is crushed by the hypocrisy of their actions. Studies show that one of the most effective means, of decreasing recidivism is a strong support system and building connections in the community. While the PA DOC seems to support this in speech, their policy often reflects differently. During the COVID-19 pandemic, in direct opposition to the mission of successful community reintegration,

the administration at SCI Fayette decided to limit incarcerated people to one 15-minute phone call per day. This essay is how a rainbow coalition of prisoners at Fayette fought the phone restriction policy, and how, despite the mountain of opposition, we won. When the pandemic first started and prison officials restricted our movement, abolished the chow hall, canceled programming, and confined us to ourselves, we openly speculated that the prison would use this medical emergency to their advantage and continue these restrictions as a means of control.

As incarcerated people, our communication with the outside world mostly depended on phone calls and video visits. We struggled to maintain relationships with our loved ones on a limit of four 15-minute phone calls each day. The administration at Fayette asked us to comply with COVID precautions to make the transition easy. Most of us were worried about catching the virus,

so we complied. At that point, violence among prisoners was almost non-existent. As time passed, they told us to take the vaccine to open the prison back up. We were tired of being locked down, so most of us complied with that too. Then they offered the booster.

We took that too. After all that, the prison administration repaid us by implementing a new policy limiting us to just one 15-minute phone call per day. News of the phone restriction first came from a video recording posted on a television channel the prison hosts. An administrator announced the new policy in a condescending tone. He claimed that he previously warned us that if we couldn't work out the phone situation

ourselves, that they would do it for us. He said they were still getting complaints. Now they were taking it into their own hands. The policy was to implement a phone sign-up. sheet. Each prisoner would be limited to sign up for one 15-minute slot during their recreational time each day. If there was time left, discretion would be left to the block sergeant to allow further use of the phone. There was no guarantee we could make more than one call. But it was the administration that created the stressful phone environment in the first place. They split the block into cohorts, only allowing

a limited amount of time for everyone to get on the phone. There were too many people, not enough phones, and not enough time. Instead of extending our time out or adding more phones to the block, they decided to punish us for a situation they created. I was heated. My comrades were furious. Everyone that used the phone, which is almost every prisoner, hated the idea of the upcoming restriction.

We had already done the best we could to make the phone situation as safe as possible. We created our own phone lines. I was on three different blocks during the lockdown. On each block, the lines would be long, and sometimes we couldn't get on at the exact time that we wanted, but everyone eventually had time to get on the phone more than once. To us, the administration was flexing their power. But what, if anything, could be done?

Would we take this sitting down? or the people finally say enough is enough and stand up to fight. Prison Twitter was ablaze with speculation. A group of us understood that a revolution needs organizers. We had the anger of the people. Now we just needed to channel it. But we had to work fast. The administration announced that the restrictions would be implemented

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His dad introduced him to a whole lot of, you know, conscious stuff, and he made a young prodigy. No matter the era, Drinkchamps brings you the biggest names and the most unfiltered conversations. Listen to Drink Chams from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And we're back. The planning began with a small group of us housed together on the same block. We came from various social groups in the prison. Muslim, Christian, black nationalist, white, and gang-affiliated. Using our networks, we checked the pulse of the people.

Not a single person wanted the restriction. Most were ready to take a stand. There was a hurdle to overcome, however. Even amongst those ready, many expressed doubt of whether other people would ride or if they would fold when the pressure came. Our group quickly developed a plan of action. The public action itself was pretty straightforward. We would boycott the phone list and refuse to sign.

We anticipated that the prison may counter by preventing us from using the phone, so we decided we would boycott the phone altogether. If the restriction continued, we would then increase our resistance with a food boycott and send our trays back to the kitchen. Most social groups have a leader or leaders they look to for guidance. Some are explicitly labeled a leader, others act in that capacity without the title. Regardless, to be as effective as possible,

we targeted leaders of the various groups throughout the prison. Once we got them active in the resistance, they influenced others. Spreading our message as a group to those with influence over large numbers of people allowed us to share some of the risk. Now there was an army of organizers that made it much more difficult for the administration

to identify the initial organizers. And even if they did by sending us to solitary confinement, it wouldn't neutralize the resistance. It's not that we were leaderless. Instead, our leaders were embedded with the people, taking direction from the people, and directly accountable to them. This is called building a hydra.

When you chop a dragon's head off, it dies. A hydra has multiple heads, and when you chop one off, two more grow in its place. A debate occurred over whether we should write a pamphlet to distribute. The writing would be a reminder to the people of all the things the prison had taken from us over the years, their plans for the phone restriction, and our plan to fight back with help from outside accomplices. It would serve as an encouragement to stand up to our oppressors. Some people felt that a pamphlet would make it back to the administration.

If that happened, they argued, someone may go to the home. Others felt like the administration was going to hear about our plans through their informants anyway. Besides, this group said, we want the administration to feel the pressure. We want them to know we don't plan on taking this lightly. Everyone understood that pamphlet or not, some of us may end up in the hole. In the end, it was decided to go forward with distributing it to select organizers who would show it to other people, but to take it back when they were done reading it. Some of us have been developing friendships with free world abolitionists.

We knew that if we wanted to pull this off, we would need people attacking from the outside inn as well. Our outside accomplices were delegated two tasks. First, a phone campaign would be developed on social media. An inside comrade wrote a short description of the restriction and asked anyone concerned to call the prison and complain. And of course, we were advising all incarcerated people to contact their families and inform them of the phone restriction. This would let the administration know we were not alone inside. We relayed this information over a video visit. At the time, video visits were less than the phone. And because we were on a time crunch, we couldn't use snail mail. If you have the time, the safest method is snail mail,

and having a person who is not under surveillance mail it out. Second, our outside accomplices set up a smart communications account, perhaps multiple accounts, to communicate. with prisoners throughout the prison. A prisoner managed to get a list of the names and numbers of incarcerated people throughout the compound. Over 100 prisoners located on different blocks received a message

about the upcoming phone restriction and our planned resistance to it. There were some security concerns about taking this step. We didn't want the administration to think they were responsible for organizing on their block. However, we determined that since COVID restrictions might prevent

some people being informed, the benefits Benefits outweighed the risk. We advise that they send a message back saying that they would not be able to participate in the phone boycott because it was against the rules and to block the sender. That way they would be able to use that as evidence if they ever received a misconduct. War is deception. This method was only used by necessity and should be avoided if you can. They made an announcement.

If you want to use the phone tomorrow, sign the sheet in the day room. Everyone's eyes darted around the block. Who would make the first move? A few comrades and I walked over to the table. There was a memo next to the sign-up explaining the policy. We sat near the table and kept watch. The people were hype about the unity we were witnessing. At one point, someone walked over the desk and signed the list.

Before he had a chance to walk away, a comrade approached him and explained that we weren't signing the list, that we were protesting the post. policy. How is it, he explained, the mission of the DOC is supposed to be rehabilitation and making prisoners productive members of society, but they do nothing to actually make that happen. Studies show that building community support is one of the most important factors to reduce recidivism, yet the administration wants to block our connection to the street. Ain't that fucked up? We were tired of them oppressing us. This time, we were standing up. The person agreed and immediately scratched his name off the list.

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Yep, that's a good attitude. You also hear stories from industry legends and hip-hop pioneers, like Fab Five Freddy. I directed when Nas' early videos. Which one? One love. Wow. I literally filmed in his apartment in Queensbridge. His moms were still up in that apartment.

Nause was just beginning to. take up. His pops used to live near me in Harlem. His dad introduced him to a whole lot of, you know, conscious stuff and he made a young prodigy. No matter the era, Drinkchamps brings you the biggest names and the most unfiltered conversations. Listen to Drinkchamps from the Black

Effect Podcast Network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is. Getting a racist statue removed. And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is. getting a new one put up in its place.

As long as there's a politics of race in America, there's going to be a politics of remembering the Civil War. To get to school, I had to go down Robert Lee Boulevard. Get to the grocery store, I had to go down Jefferson Davis Parkway. If you're an historian and you leave out half of what the history is, you're not doing your job. I'm Akela Hughes. In Rebel Spirit, Season 2 goes deep on both of those things.

The fights, the politics, the people who won, and my personal campaign to add something to the Kentucky State House that's actually worth the wall space. We are more than our bodies. We contain essence. We contain spirit. How do you represent that? They are just fueling a fire that is really catching.

You'll see what I mean. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. Out of everyone on the block, there was one person who refused to join the resistance. It was a known bootlicker and suspected in form. His block worker job made him feel like he ran the block with the COs.

He found more joy in conversing with them than us. It wasn't a surprise that he continued to sign the list. Some suggested we get him out of the way, but the situation didn't really call for that. We advised the people to abandon him. He didn't have any influence, so it was safer to just leave him. Not every block participated in the boycott. For example, one block with low participation houses the majority of workers in the corrections industries, CI, shop.

They are the highest paid positions in the prison, averaging $150 a month. These are mostly older men who have come to cherish the money. Many of them are white. This privilege affects their unity with other prisoners. Many of them confine themselves to the block, never going to the yard where prisoners congregate. What's more concerning is that most of them are buddy-buddy with the CEOs and staff. It's almost as if they relate more to the administration than the people they are locked up with. This dynamic deserves a more substantial analysis,

but at the very least I can say that the administration uses their job as leverage over them. They resemble the petty bourgeois in the free world. Rarely do any of them support collective liberation. They sold their revolutionary impulse for some soups and cookies. Our outside accomplices continued to call the administration. I don't know what response they received. For us, it was enough that the prison knew we were supported, that they couldn't hide behind their veil of secrecy as they normally do.

Some outside organizers might see social media posts asking them to call prison administrators and think it isn't important. What can my call do? They are wrong. Inside organizing is strength. by outside support. On the second day, they came around with the phone list at night again. Only one person signed the list.

You know who. The next day, the phones ran as normal. The third night was the last time they tried the list. After that, there was never a list again. We were surprised no one got locked up. They didn't lock us down either. Perhaps the administration couldn't identify the organizers. Maybe our outside accomplices kept the

in check. It could be that the superiors at central office told them to stand down. It's hard to say for sure. Our war was not decided in an epic battle. There were no victory celebrations. The administration announced no defeat. Instead, they let the phone restriction quietly fade away. But we know what happened. We came together. We organized. We fought the phone restriction. We won. Despite everyone that said it would never work, we won. Incarcerated people are not only separated from the free world. We are separated from each other. Prison erects both physical and interpersonal walls.

More modern prisons favor smaller blocks and smaller yards to keep social interaction to a minimum. If the heart of organizing is relationship building, then how do you organize if you don't have the opportunity to socialize? incarcerated people must be creative in overcoming these barriers prison prescribed programming can be subversive bases the law library school rooms and religious spaces can become gatherings for organizing with more time and opportunity we could have utilized these

legitimate prison spaces to spread word about the phone boycott when you find yourself in these spaces step out of your comfort zone and extend yourself to meet new people instead of leading with a statement, throw a question out there. It could be as simple as, Hey, did you hear about such and such news? What do you think about that? Starting conversations for phone resistance was usually as easy as.

Hey, did you hear about the upcoming phone restriction? What do you think about that? Even people who didn't use the phone often hated the idea of the administration taking more from us. Why? Because they kept taking shit from us and no one's stands up. Anticipate that response. Why is this time different?

Before the phone resistance, we spent a lot of time building study groups, connecting incarcerated people with outside activists, and increasing our political education collectively. These groups were integral to our resistance. If there are no study groups where you're at, start one right now. Grab a book, take it to the day room, and start a conversation. The administration's plan to restrict the phone backfired in ways they couldn't have imagined. Instead of isolating us from the free world, they brought us together. And when we come together collectively, we win.

The end, that's fucking right. When we fight, we win. I love that this piece is both a story. Like, here's a thing that happened. And it's also just a step-by-step guide to organize. And it's talking about organizing in one of the most anti-organizing spaces, like a space that's specifically designed from the foundations up to be a place that counters organizing.

One of the things, if you don't spend a lot of time and paying attention to the prisons in America, you might not know that the division of prisoners into these cliques and especially along racial lines is very consciously directed by the prison system and the administrators. It's very conscious that they want to keep oppressed people separated by race. One would argue that the social construct of race was invented for that reason,

and it's different than culture and other things. But that would be crazy. No, it wouldn't be crazy. That would be accurate. That is an accurate read of the very least why whiteness was created in order to keep poor people siding with their lives. like race instead of their class. Anyway, I love that this piece just like is straight up like, here's how you do it and gets into,

I don't know, we have this idea given to us by like Hollywood that organizing is a matter of like you just rile everyone up and then it just like happens. You're like, oh yeah, we're all mad. So it's going to just happen. You know, and that's not what happens. It's when you organize that you accomplish things. so let that be your lesson Margaret is talking to herself because she's an introvert

doesn't like dealing with people Sefeer who wrote this piece has this to say about it quote thanks for including my piece I would say that not only was the organizing we did prohibited by the prison but even me writing about it landed me in solitary confinement prison censorship runs deep

and I hope the essay can inspire others inside to share their voices of resistance in spite of the consequences. As for their bio, Safir Ness, they them, is a formerly incarcerated abolitionist released from Pennsylvania State Prison in 2023. Their lineage is traced through indigenous peoples, Apache Chircahua, Spanish colonizers, and white settlers. They still organized against the prison industrial complex

with incarcerated comrades. Their writing has appeared in Jewish currents, Utopics, and the Asian American Writers Workshop. These days, they organize with the abolitionist media collectives, In The Belly, and In The Mix, Prisoner podcast. Yeah, and thanks again to In The Belly for collaborating on this episode and next week's episode, which is the Extra Special Part 2. And, yeah, there's some really moving parts in Part 2,

because I didn't record part two. I'm going to record little bits of it, but I'm just listening to interviews and poetry read by the prisoners, and it gets us some really important stuff. You should be excited about it. I'm excited for you to hear it. And also, I'm really grateful to Hazel,

who I work with on this show, who made this happen. So thanks in the belly and Hazel and all the authors. In the meantime, if you want more of Safier's writing and want to support that work, You can find In The Belly on Instagram at Bellyzine and subscribe to the newsletter and print magazine at patreon.com slash in the belly.

You can also learn more about June 11th, the International Day of Solidarity with Long-Term Manorcas Prisoners, at June 11.noBlogs.org. And you can join a gathering this Thursday. That was very nice, Hazel wrote down what day, June 11th is, because I didn't want to pause the recording to look at my calendar and look it up. But apparently it's Thursday.

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