It Could Happen Here - Executive Disorder: Hungary Election, DoorDash Stunt, Sam Altman’s Home Attacked

Episode Date: April 17, 2026

The gang discuss the electoral defeat of Viktor Orbán, violent abuse at Alligator Alcatraz, Tom Steyer’s plan to prosecute ICE agents and leadership, a ‘No Tax on Tips’ stunt ...at the White House, multiple attacks at the home of OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, and an update the US war on Iran.  Sources: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/turkey-high-school-shooting-gunman-dead/  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/turkey-school-shooting-kahramanmaras/  https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz9025d7jqzo https://x.com/Southcom/status/2043831574764921318?s=20   https://x.com/Southcom/status/2044185311673213219?s=20 https://x.com/Imranmuhdz/status/2043791969554465272?s=20  https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/4/12/dozens-feared-dead-in-air-strike-on-village-in-northeastern-nigeria https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cadc.42696/gov.uscourts.cadc.42696.01208840434.0.pdf https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5834485-iran-war-powers-house-2/ https://www.texasobserver.org/immigration-court-interpreter-arrested-ice-south-texas-airport/ https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.caed.484353/gov.uscourts.caed.484353.15.0_1.pdf https://apnews.com/article/stonewall-rainbow-flag-trump-lgbtq-historic-preservation-ac4ab59d3251476139700db6687828ca?utm_source=copy&utm_medium=share https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pope-leo-brother-bomb-threat-police-investigate-rcna332136 https://www.inc.com/jason-aten/doordashs-white-house-stunt-backfired-then-its-pr-guy-made-everything-worse/91331363 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/apr/14/trump-doordash-delivery-grandma-mcdonalds https://x.com/TomSteyer/status/2044155939453129001 https://www.tomsteyer.com/issues/abolish-ice  https://www.aclu.org/cases/c-m-v-noem?document=Notice-of-Noncompliance-with-PI https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/2043831680759169231?s=20  https://x.com/_MartinKelly_/status/2044683602638868959?s=20  https://x.com/LloydsList/status/2044748510868779062?s=20  https://www.lloydslist.com/LL1156929/US-claims-right-to-seize-Iran-linked-vessels-anywhere-beyond-neutral-waters  https://www.lloydslist.com/LL1156937/Iran-linked-vessels-continue-to-transit-Hormuz-despite-US-blockade  https://x.com/WarshipCam/status/2042574455549894847  https://x.com/mercoglianos/status/2043826535203758561?s=20  https://news.usni.org/2026/04/13/usni-news-fleet-and-marine-tracker-april-13-2026  https://hanahr.org/en/news/hana-legal-team-report-on-the-death-of-ghazal-mawlan-chaparabad-following-a-drone-strike-and-alleged-denial-of-emergency-medical-care-in-sulaymaniyah/  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-03-27/iran-routes-grain-imports-to-gulf-of-oman-with-hormuz-locked-up https://www.justice.gov/opa/media/1435876/dl https://x.com/mehran__jalali/status/2042755218819961048?s=20  https://morenogama.substack.com/p/ai-existential-risk-is-real https://www.businessinsider.com/sam-altman-molotov-attack-suspect-daniel-moreno-gama-houston-2026-4 https://sfstandard.com/2026/04/12/sam-altman-s-home-targeted-second-attack/  https://www.wdsu.com/article/atf-suspected-molotov-cocktail-starts-fire-tesla-new-orleans-service-center/71025308?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/are-workers-lighting-warehouses-on-fire/id1449762156?i=1000761449075 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:11 CAUZo Media. This is It Could Happen Here, Executive Disorder, our weekly newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world, and what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis. Today I'm joined by James Stout, Mia Wong, and Robert Evans. Yes, happy to be back once again, stretching the definitions of the word here.
Starting point is 00:02:37 Across time, space, and the internet. We have gathered to discuss the news. And this episode, we are covering the week of April 8th to April 16th. James, do you want to start us off with some short news items? Yep. I got quite a few this week, so lock in. There have been two Turkish school shootings this week. One killed 10 people, the other wounded at least 16. Since then, there have been 162 arrests for either sharing footage of the shooting
Starting point is 00:03:08 or suggesting that similar attacks might happen at other schools. One suspect, according to BBC, made references to US mass killer Elliot Roger on his WhatsApp profile, which, yep, not great. Just a reminder. Yeah, I do find it somewhat frustrating when people say this stuff only happened in the United States. No, no, it doesn't. Now, it is a fair point to note that, like,
Starting point is 00:03:32 most foreign mass shootings these days are inspired and influenced by American mass shootings. shootings. We are foundational to global shooter culture, but it ain't just us. Yeah, it's not just us. And unfortunately, the culture is global and this is part of that. We also have like your regular terrorism, but this is not that. This is part of that culture. Secondly, Southcom, the United States Military Command responsible for, among other things, the Eastern Pacific, as it calls it, has announced four strikes on small boats again this week, killing at least 11 people, according to the totals I added up from their announcements. It's probably worth noting that this either suggests that they are not striking drugboats or that their strikes on
Starting point is 00:04:24 drugboats are so spectacularly unsuccessful that they are still coming across in such volumes that Southcom is having to kill people at this continuing rate, right? Either way, it doesn't point to a successful operation. Next, the Nigerian military seems to have doubled down on its strike in Jili. If people haven't been paying attention to this, Jili is a place where a market was bombed. They claim that the market contained Boko Haram fighters. More than 100 people were killed in this strike.
Starting point is 00:04:57 And I want to mention what happened recently at Jili to tell them that now our new tragedy is anybody, a friend of a thief is a thief. I've said that severely. anybody that is doing any trading, any support to them, we find you together with them, we're going to deal with you like the bandit, like the terrorists. So people should know, if you don't want to be harmed,
Starting point is 00:05:13 please avoid where those terrorists are and don't give them any support. The suggestion here is that being present in a market where these people who are terrorists who are also present, justifies targeting them. Yeah. It's worth noting the US has been supporting this campaign, right? And this is not the first incident
Starting point is 00:05:32 in which civilians have been killed over in the business. about this in my newsletter. An appeals court in the D.C. circuit has prevented Judge Bosberg from continuing an investigation into whether Trump officials sent migrants to El Salvador despite his order. D.C. Judge Rao wrote, The government has a clear and indisputable right to termination of this judicial investigation because it is premise on an order that is insufficiently clear and specific to sustain a charge of criminal contempt. A long-time court interpreter, the only one for several South Asian languages,
Starting point is 00:06:04 in Texas, has been detained by ICE in airport. She has withholding of removal to India, but with third country removals now increasingly on the table, that is presumably what they intend for her. Finally, in court news, another DOJ attorney has been fined for missing deadlines in a habeas case, and once again, that attorney cited a crushing caseload as the reason why they'd missed those deadlines. This week, both the House and the Senate failed to. to advance a war powers resolution, compelling the president to cease military action in Iran.
Starting point is 00:06:41 The House vote in particular was very close, with 213 votes to 214, with only one Democrat, Jared Golden, voting against it, while one Republican, Thomas Massey, voted in support. On Monday, the Trump administration agreed to restore the pride flag to the Stonewall National Monument as a part of settling a lawsuit over its removal. This weekend, President Trump got into a fight with the Pope over his statements against the U.S. and Israel's war in the Middle East. The President truce that the Pope was, quote, weak on crime and terrible for foreign policy, unquote, before sharing an AI image of himself depicted as Jesus Christ. The next day, Trump claimed, quote, I thought it was me as a doctor, unquote. Great stuff. Great stuff. Just to briefly fact check. He is. neither of those things.
Starting point is 00:07:36 No. As far as I'm aware. Or a doctor. Yeah. Yeah. Legally. I think it is notable and very funny that this has now shifted a sniff. No, not a significant, but it's shifted a discourse on the right to whether or not Trump is the Antichrist with an enemy of the show Rob Dreher saying, quote, he's giving off Antichrist energy.
Starting point is 00:08:00 So incredible things are happening for Donald Trump among us. nominal base. Meanwhile, Franklin Graham thinks it was an honest mistake. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure he does. On Wednesday, police responded to a bomb threat at the Illinois home of one of Pope Leo's brothers, about 40 miles southwest of Chicago. No explosive was found.
Starting point is 00:08:24 So Congress is in the process of deciding whether or not to reauthorize Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act or FISA. It's going to sunset on April 20. We're recording this on the 16th. So in four days, if Congress does not reauthorize it. Section 02 is what lets intelligence agencies in the U.S. collect email, phone, text communications from foreign nationals outside of the United States, which often leads to communications of American citizens being caught for obvious reasons, right,
Starting point is 00:08:57 as well. They get kind of swept up in that big net. The FBI once has asked. for and has gotten some permission to look into that database to get information on American citizens. Congress put some limitations on that in 2024, but it remains very controversial. And basically, like, one of the big debates over this is, and there was a vote in 2024 as to whether or not to require intelligence agencies to get a warrant for accessing American's communications. And that failed to pass by a single vote in the House, 212 to 212 split in
Starting point is 00:09:29 24. So right now, you know, there's both the question of, is this going to get reauthorized by Congress, in which case is like the FBI is certainly going to use it to go after like the communications of quote unquote Antifa, right, of like people who have been caught because they've been naming foreign groups, anti-fascist groups like foreign terrorist organizations. That's very obviously, like one of the things this is going to be used for. It's kind of unclear like what is going to happen here, where Congress is going to land. I did find there's an interesting article in just security where they're very worried that because of how very obvious it is that that federal law enforcement will abuse this, Section 702 will just kind of go away entirely and the
Starting point is 00:10:16 useful aspects of it as they see it will no longer be possible. That's not my primary concern. It's interesting to read someone being like, oh my God, if these guys go so crazy, like, if they keep refusing to like allow warrants to be entered into the process and keep insisting on going after like anti fat like left wing domestic terrorists they're going to lose our ability to like surveil foreign nationals entirely is kind of the concern from a lot of security people anyway uh just probably good that you're aware of that so probably the biggest international piece of news uh this week that we're covering is the defeat of victor orban uh who was often considered to be like a quasi dictatorial figure. I mean, he arose to power in Hungary legally, but his party, like, as soon as he
Starting point is 00:11:03 took power more than a decade ago, he's basically been cracking down on the ability of counterparties to, like, organize. There's been, like, massive crackdowns on the, like, ability of, like, it's a lot of prototype Trump stuff. Like, they went after professors. They went after colleges. They went after, like, public funds to educational institutions, to libraries. he pioneered the modern tactics of undermining liberal democracy via the legal system. Yes. Yes. Like him and Erdogan are sort of like two.
Starting point is 00:11:36 Yeah. And after the LGBT community tried to criminalize like criminalize like pride events and stuff. And also like in a big, a big part of like Orban was obviously very anti-migrant. Like anti, we don't want to take in, you know, particularly during the Syrian refugee crisis. That was like a big moment for them. but he was also really anti-EU. Hungary is a part of the EU, but Orban's party was very, like the Fidesz party was super EU critical.
Starting point is 00:12:04 And in the last decade and chains that they've been in power, the Fidesz party has been massively corrupt. And in fact, has kind of turned the Hungarian government to the extent, like, you know, there was corruption before, obviously. But he's woven his party into the very workings of the government, primarily as a way to collect money from people and to distribute government funds to like these
Starting point is 00:12:29 right-wing pet projects that they had, which I'll talk about a little more in a second. But this started to piss people off in Hungary, particularly because the government wasn't doing a good job of governing. Like the Hungarian economy remained one of the worst in Europe. Unemployment remained high. Like none of the promises that like, well, if we're if we kind of push the EU away and if we keep all, if we keep these migrants out, the economy will get better. What really happened was Fidesz robbed everyone blind.
Starting point is 00:12:57 And Orban robbed everyone blind and put his cronies in positions of power in the hope that he would never be forced out. Now, Orban's an interesting figure, in part because he got his start as a pro-democracy figure. During the latter years of communism in Hungary, he was a liberal, like, democratic activist. And in fact, the guy who just beat him, Peter Magyar, we'll talk about his name, also in a second, grew up with like a poster of Orban on his like bedroom wall because Orban, you know, again, communism was coming to an end. Everyone was very excited.
Starting point is 00:13:31 All the young people were very excited about democracy. And Orban was like a figure. And he was still, he was never like a leftist figure when I say liberal, but he was a figure of like democratizing values. Now, Magyar himself is an odd guy. He's 45 years old. and the party that he ran with, the T-Z-A-T-S-A,
Starting point is 00:13:54 was a party before him, but like not a living one, really. Like, it had been a political party and it had basically died out to irrelevance. I think they had a couple of dudes kind of kicking around. It's almost like if there were still a tiny wig party that, like, four or five guys met in, like,
Starting point is 00:14:11 twice a year to, like, have their little wig meeting. The bull loose party coming back. Some guy who's, like, a Barack. Obama level political mind in terms of his skill in organizing and charisma came in and turned that party into a fucking electoral powerhouse that completely annihilated the previous leading party in an election. Like that's basically what happened in Hungary. It's a very weird story. And Magyar is definitely brilliant in terms of he is someone who is objectively very intelligent when it comes to how to build power in a political organization and how to win elections and how to message to
Starting point is 00:14:55 people. He's very good at all of that stuff. Now, this is not like a leftist or a progressive, like, hero type figure. And he is not pretended to be, to be very clear. That's not how he build himself at all. In fact, in some ways, he's more conservative than Orban. His party, the Tizza party is like even, like, Orban at least had like a guest worker program and stuff. And And Matt Gare's against even a lot of that stuff. Like, he is actually more hostile to having, like, immigration. But he's not anti-EU. And he's not, what's interesting is, like, he's really kind of hedging in between,
Starting point is 00:15:33 like, hedging his, I don't know entirely how to describe this. He's, like, writing a very weird line because he is not anti-Ukraine, but he's also against Hungary sending weapons aid directly to Ukraine. But his old attitude is like, I'm not super pro what you can. guys are doing, but I'm not going to fight anything in the EU parliament. Hungary's going to stop. Hungary has been like a spoiler in EU politics for a while, where they would just kind of vote to fuck with whatever their EU wants to do, especially these regards aiding Ukraine. And Magyar's whole thing is like, I'm just going to stop. Like, I'm not going to full-throatedly support the stuff you guys want.
Starting point is 00:16:08 I'm just going to stop being an anchor weighing you down, which is enough, like, for the EU to be excited about this. Like, finally, this guy, Hungary's not going to be. And Hungary is a weird history of acting like an anchor on other polities sometimes. That's kind of what was going on in the Austro-Hungarian Empire in like the pre-World War I era where Hungary saw itself as very separate from the Austria-Hungary aspect of things and would vote to like fuck with the military because they wanted their own military to get more powerful. It's not entirely the same. It's just interesting the level of like contrarianness that's kind of baked into a lot of Hungarian
Starting point is 00:16:47 politics. I mentioned something about Peter's name. So the Magyars are like the original like nomadic horse warrior people of the area we know is Hungary today. The name Magyar just means Hungarian now, but it came from most powerful of these like tribes of nomadic warriors. And someone had made a point of this on I was either Twitter or Blue Sky around the election that like Peter Magyars basically if a guy was named Johnny American, right? Like that's like literally like his name could not be more patriotic. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:20 It's like Adolf Hitler defeated by a man of Germany. And Magyar became a force on the political stage in Hungary very suddenly. He wasn't really a major figure. He was kind of actually connected to a lot of because, again, he was a supporter of the Fidesz party. He had a lot of friends who were members of Orban's government. One of his buddies was Orban's chief of staff. In 2006, he married a woman, Judith Varga, who was the minister of justice for the Fidesz party under Orban, right?
Starting point is 00:17:47 And he'd worked as like a diplomat in Brussels. So he's like a guy who's part of this government apparatus that Orban puts into place. But in 2024, there's this huge scandal where the Ministry of Justice and like his wife, which I mean his, well, now his ex-wife, because they split. And then his ex-wife pardons a man who had gotten convicted for covering up a sex abuse scandal at a children's home. And Magyar becomes like one of the most visible figures on the backlash being like this entire party. is corrupt. This is super fucked up. And he's coming from a position of it. And I was a part of it so I know. Like, I'm an insider who's broken from the group because of how corrupt and bad this is. And there's some messed up stuff in there. Magyar does attack Orban and Fidesz because his ex-wife
Starting point is 00:18:35 gets fired along with another woman when this scandal becomes a problem. And he accuses the government of like hiding behind women's skirts. But he's also got, he's an odd. There's some uncomfortable, not damning anything, just some like uncomfortable realities about him. And I want to read a quote from an NPR article that came out recently that talks about some of this. Maggar has blamed the end of his marriage to Varga, at least in part on political disagreements. Notably, just months before the divorce was finalized in 2023, he secretly recorded one of their conversations. In it, Varga was talking about an attempt by government aides to interfere in a corruption case. Maggar released a recording in their wake of the pardon scandal the following year,
Starting point is 00:19:20 which only added fuel to the fire and credence to his corruption claims. And his wife resigns from public life altogether after this. She has accused him of verbal and physical abuse, including locking her in a room. And obviously, like, the whole recording account, there's a lot of, there's some uncomfortable stuff about this guy. But that said, she's also super corrupt in, like, doing a lot of really, so I don't know.
Starting point is 00:19:44 And no one really does. If you read a lot about this guy, one of the things people point is that we don't actually know a lot about him other than he's really good at whipping a party into shape and winning an election, right? Like, he proved that much. But we don't know much about him. Even Orban has made anti-LGBQ rights a big part of his platform, especially as his position has gotten weaker.
Starting point is 00:20:08 He's tried to, like, supercharge that as a way to hold on to power. Magyar's not pro-quivor. rights, but he's not anti-queer rights. He has criticized the Orban government from going after LGBTQ people and says that they're doing it to distract citizens from the issues, which is true. He said that he supports the right to assembly. He has not said that he supports LGBTQ rights. That said, if going from a guy who's like, I actively want to prosecute people for being
Starting point is 00:20:36 queer to a guy who's like, I just don't want to talk about it is probably an improvement. It's worth noting that in his victory speech, he did make two references to LGBTQ rights, saying that, quote, everyone can live with whoever they love as long as they do not violate laws or harm others. And also said, quote, we want to make a country where no one is persecuted because they think differently or because someone loves in a different way to others, unquote. This is, again, broadly a really good thing. And it's also good in Hungary. It's also good worldwide because Hungary has been for years not a major supporter of far-right groups. One of the things Magyar pointed out as soon as he won election is that there's evidence that they have found that the Fedez party was using Hungarian governmental funds to support a couple of, number one, to support CPAC, because they, They hold like a foreign CPAC gatherings in Hungary.
Starting point is 00:21:41 So like CPAC has been getting money from the Hungarian government. And Maggare said like, that's not fine. We're not okay with that. I think that's actually illegal. And he has also noted that that government money was going to support the Matthias Corvina's College or MCC, which was receiving funds from the Orban government. And that that is going to stop. Now, the MCC is both like it's an organization in Hungary,
Starting point is 00:22:06 but they also have a bunch of like foreign. They've got one in like Romania. There's one in Brussels. They have like a bunch of foreign branches and they use the MCC and fund it in order to fund the far right in other European countries, right? Like the MCC supports like the one in Brussels supports in Brussels local far right groups. And it's been a fairly effective way of like funding some of these like, and oftentimes like Nazi adjacent organizations.
Starting point is 00:22:34 And that money is looking to go away. There's an interesting Politico article about some of this that talk to the MCC Brussels people, like the offshoot of this in Brussels. For its part, MCC Brussels said that Sunday's election result will have no bearing on its work in the city. As an independent organization, we will continue to research, analyze, and advocate around our core concerns and continue to hold the European Union institutions to account. That's the communications manager. And the article goes on to note, MCC Brussels gets almost all its cash, 99% coming to just over
Starting point is 00:23:04 six million euros, according to its listing in the last financial year, as part of a grant from Matthias Corvinus Collegium, which received a 10% stake in Hungary's lucrative oil and gas company, MOL from Orban's government in 2020. That's certainly going away too. This is a major blow to far-right organizing in Europe and in the United States. And it's more than just losing money, losing a space to gather. It's losing a proof of concept, right? Orban was the guy they pointed to is like, this is what we want to do in America, not just America, but very, very directly and Orban just flamed the fuck out because he sucked at governing. Now, what happens next is going to depend on whether or not Magyar prosecutes Fidesz party members,
Starting point is 00:23:44 prosecutes Orban and his cronies. He said he's going to, so we'll see. And that's all I got to say for now. Yeah. I think it's worth noting that, like, in Europe, we had this somewhat with Donald Tusk in Poland, right? And what we have seen there, for instance, on immigration has been a continued movement to the right, right? Like Tusk has been like talking about, like, not complying with EU immigration
Starting point is 00:24:11 rulings. And I think that's probably something that people who are interested in which way this might go should look at, but that doesn't mean that it's a bad thing that Orban is out. No. That Orban conceded, right? Like, he had multiple U.S. politicians, including the vice president campaigning for him. And he lost and he admitted he lost. And that is a very good sign. part of why he conceded is he thinks that he's got enough people woven into the government that he can return to power or at least his party can. So again, Magyar's big challenge is going to be making sure that doesn't happen. Yeah. Yeah. And
Starting point is 00:24:49 whatever else, I think it's very, very unlikely that Magyar is going to be doing shit like, hey, we're going to use, we're going to threaten to use facial recognition on everyone who shows up to a pride protest and a pride march and arrest them. So, you know, Hopefully getting better. Yeah. Although, again, he was willing to wiretap his wife. But you're right, he does not seem.
Starting point is 00:25:13 There's no evidence that he takes, like, pleasure in fucking with people. Like, that doesn't seem to be his vibe. So hopefully not. Yeah. All right. Should we take a break? We shall. All right.
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Starting point is 00:27:21 as they share their journeys from starting out to leveling up. If I'm outside with my parents and they're seeing all these people come up to me for pictures, it's like, what? Today now, obviously, it's like 100%. They believe everything. But at first, it was just like, you got to go get a real job. There's an economic component to communities thriving. If there's not enough money and entrepreneurship happening in communities, they fail. And what I mean by fail is they don't have money to pay for food.
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Starting point is 00:28:16 So let's cut the crap, okay? Follow the Amy and T.J. podcast, a one-stop news and pop culture shop to get you caught up and on with your day. And listen to Amy and T.J. on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. So one of the other pieces of news coming out of the right wing sphere is this really incredibly staged photo op that Donald Trump had where he like got this really well photographed like fake DoorDash order and then tip tip the woman $100 that was supposed to be a promotion for his no taps on tips thing. There's a lot of stuff going on here. there's been a whole bunch of stuff because people immediately figured out that this person is someone who's been basically used to lobby for this policy a bunch. She shows up all over the place, like testifying in front of congressional committees and stuff about no tax for tips of like or Lincoln legislatures all over the country. There's a whole bunch of kind of funny stuff where she gets asked if she would vote for Trump and whether she supports transathletes and she's just like, uh, there's also a whole story about sort of DoorDash's PR person just having a crash out and getting extremely mad online. No, Mia, don't put it in the newspaper that they got mad.
Starting point is 00:29:44 It's really amazing. But I think the actual story here is about no tax on tips as a political. project. And I think the actual most egregious part of this whole event was the White House, they operate like 55 Twitter accounts. One of them, the Guardian, points out as this like rapid response thing. Yeah. And it posts this video where that's captioned about how this woman said she saved $11,000 in taxes on tips. That's not true. It can't be true. It's just mathematically a lie. The actual policy, and the Guardian's doing some good work on this, lays out, quote, But the no tax on tips policy is only a temporary deduction of up to $25,000 in tips for eligible workers annually.
Starting point is 00:30:36 Tipped workers still have to report their tips as income. So there's a lot of things going on here. One, this is all, all of the tax on tips stuff is temporary. We talked about this when it came out. It was designed to sort of phase out the moment Trump leaves office or supposed to leave office. and B, DoorDash also later had to say, oh no, no, no, no, she did not save $11,000 in tax money on tips. They were like, no, no, no, she made $11,000 in tips
Starting point is 00:31:04 and didn't have to pay taxes on it. But first off, she did not make $11,000 on tips. Like, you can't make $11,000 in tips doing DoorDash delivery. It's basically impossible. And I'm very sure that she didn't do this because, also, If you look at it, the Guardian with you, or not the Guardian, Inc. went through some of the earlier, you know, interviews, because she's been on a PR circuit about this for a while.
Starting point is 00:31:28 She was on Fox News. And on Fox News, she claims that she'd saved $3,000 to $4,000. And that eventually that, like, number of the amount of money that she'd saved, eventually gets bumped up to $11,000. I think that what happened is that she maybe got, she's claiming originally that she got like $3,000 in tips. There's also another issue here, which is that, like, $11,000. It's like not clear if that's even enough money to qualify as having to pay like income taxes in Alaska.
Starting point is 00:31:56 Like this is all this is all basically just a nightmare. And but the reason this is all actually happening is that the no tax on tips thing is this giant PR campaign that DoorDash, particularly DoorDash but also some of the other, some of the other companies have been doing as basically a propaganda thing in order to avoid their being attention on the fact that they just don't pay their work. workers a living wage. And so one of the really important things that's almost never talked about with DoorDash and with all of these sort of like these delivery apps, right, is that if you are a restaurant worker and you're making something for a DoorDash order, and this is particularly like, you know, for example, if you work at a coffee shop, right, you don't get tips on DoorDash orders.
Starting point is 00:32:43 So when these things, when these orders started coming through in like sort of the past like five, six, like eight years, right? What happened was that this was basically a giant, everyone who's working like in a restaurant or in a, in like a cafe or whatever you're getting it from, those people all had massive speedups where they just don't get, and they don't get paid the regular tips that they would, you know, be relying on to even sort of have a living wage, right?
Starting point is 00:33:10 So these people all got speed ups. And then on top of that, right, so you are, if you're ordering from one of these sites, right, you're probably are paying it. tip. But that tip money has basically been it's been extracted from the restaurant workers, but then now it's being used as a way to subsidize
Starting point is 00:33:28 right, as a way to subsidize DoorDash not paying actual fucking wages. And so what this entire project is, is this giant attempt to basically continue this process and solidify this process and stop all of the organizing campaigns that have been happening against DoorDash to get them to like actually fucking
Starting point is 00:33:47 pay people. And what's happening instead is that they're trying to shift everyone's focus to like, oh, hey, we can give you like no tax on tips, even though what these tips are and what the system that they've built is, is a system to basically exploit both restaurant workers and also specifically to make sure they don't ever have to fucking pay their workers any amount of money. And that's the actual, that's the actual political ramifications of what's happening here beyond guy has funny crash out in social media. And I think it's, very bleak that there's been basically no coverage of the sort of totality of what this is doing
Starting point is 00:34:27 to people. To circle back to the potentiality of the new prime minister of Hungary prosecuting the former corrupt administration, let's turn to California. The former frontrunner in the California governor's race, Eric Swalwell, dropped out of the election last week and subsequently resigned from Congress amid sexual assault. from multiple women. The new frontrunner is billionaire Tom Steyer
Starting point is 00:34:55 who ran for president back in 2020. You might remember him from the yeah, good, okay clip of where he tried to talk to Bernie Sanders as Bernie and Elizabeth Warren were beefing on stage after a presidential debate. Is he the guy
Starting point is 00:35:12 who had that story about killing someone in Vietnam? Or was that another one of the unhinged guys? Steyer wasn't super unhinged guys. super unhinged. He was a little bit boring. But nominally, one of the more progressive people in that overstuffed race, despite being a billionaire. A lot of his poll is talking about, we should tax billionaires like me more. I know, I'm a billionaire, I'll be fine. That's kind of his, that's kind of part of his schick. Look, my opinion is, as a former Californian and just someone who's voted in California, in the long grand history of California governors, he would be one of
Starting point is 00:35:49 better options that California has had. That's a low bar. Really low bar. Yeah. And the race this year is just shite. It's again, like Arnold Schwarzenegger was the governor and like firmly middle of the pack. It's absolute bollocks now. Sorry, I know I'm saying very British words, but it is upsetting to me.
Starting point is 00:36:14 It is funny to describe the California governor's race as bollocks. It's bollocks. It's a have been many times. I have to live here. I have to pay taxes to these clowns. I mean, it's California, baby. Like, you're going to periodically have governor races that are just like shit shows largely to provide content for the media. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:35 Yeah. Now, this week, Steyer released part of his immigration platform titled, How California Can Put Ice in Jail? Echoing cries that activists have been. and trying to circulate into popular consciousness for the past year. Now, Steyer doesn't just advocate for ICE to be abolished, which he does, but says in this new platform released on Substack, quote, it's not enough for Democrats to simply engage in rhetoric and, quote, unquote, stand against ICE or Trump.
Starting point is 00:37:09 California must build a system that fights fire with fire. To stop this authoritarian takeover, we must counter ICE head on and go after both their agents on the streets and their leadership within the DHS. How do we do this? The same way we took on the mob. Put ICE agents and their leadership in jail for their crimes because that's how you take on a violent extremist group and win, unquote. Steyer promises to do five things, as governor, to build this strategy to take on ice.
Starting point is 00:37:39 First, passing aggressive legislation, building on current California statutes, to outlaw any law enforcement agency from profiling. filing based on race, ethnicity, language, occupation, or location. This directly takes on the Kavanaugh stops, which were approved last fall. And a lot of other Supreme Court decisions that, for instance, Border Patrol operates under. Then, Steyer says he'll grant the state attorney general authority to hold ICE's leadership accountable for violence by pursuing quote unquote supervisory liability. Steyer writes that, quote,
Starting point is 00:38:16 This body of law empowers the California justice system to criminally prosecute and imprison, not just the ICE agents who are committing these crimes, but the leadership directing them to do so, unquote. Steyer promises to appoint and fund a special investigative unit that's specifically tasked with enforcing these California laws, quote, including laws related to the conditions at detention facilities. This unit will collect the evidence the attorney general can use,
Starting point is 00:38:44 to prosecute offenders and their leadership, unquote. That's how he plans to take on ICE and leadership at the DHS and to prosecute crimes committed by ICE agents. Now, Steyer also says that he will, quote, bring those detained and kidnapped by ICE back home, unquote, by expanding the immigration legal defense infrastructure in the state of California, including funding for, quote,
Starting point is 00:39:11 more attorneys, investigators, and accredited representatives, and accredited representation. as well as legal aid and law school programs to assist and help those who have been imprisoned without due process, unquote. This is the one like that I like, there are counties in California that fund that we had an episode about this about two years ago, right, that will fund legal defense for migrants. Traditionally, this has been, ICE works around this by moving people who have that legal representation out of the state as quickly as they can.
Starting point is 00:39:44 and then refusing or making it very hard for WebEx motions, for their attorneys to attend their hearings remotely. And what that does is effectively like bleeds the program, right? Because then this attorney has to fly to Texas for a 15-minute hearing about rescheduling or something similar. I would need to, there's a lot of other stuff here, like law school programs. That's interesting. I don't know what those would be.
Starting point is 00:40:11 there needs to be something that stops them doing that because that is what they did under Biden too. This is not a Trump era thing. This is very much something that happened under Biden. And it will happen again. If the state of California does this on a statewide level, I would imagine, especially like, let's entertain the idea that we have an election in 2028,
Starting point is 00:40:39 that we have a Democrat president, and ICE still has a massively expanded detention capacity. It could very easily move people out of California very quickly. Yeah. And so there need to be awareness of that. I would also say that, like, one of the tools that I don't see mentioned here that I think should be mentioned is SB 54 in California. SB 54, obviously there were different SB 54,
Starting point is 00:41:03 but I'm talking about the California Values Act here. The one that prohibits law enforcement cooperation, except for search and exemptions with immigration authorities. That already exists. It's already there. And like this is, his statement's pretty brief, right? His PDF's only three pages. It might not go into all this detail.
Starting point is 00:41:21 I would like to see that flags, at least in further detail or when he's speaking about this, right? Because SB 54 prosecutions of cops are important, right? Because there are California agencies, which appear to be flouting California law in order to comply with Trump's immigration goals. And if we don't do that first, then I have a lot less faith that any of this other shit is going to matter. Yeah, I mean, obviously funding legal representation
Starting point is 00:41:51 for immigrants, regardless, like, is a good thing. Yeah. But the effect that it could have could be curtailed by ICE. And as James has said, by moving people quickly out of state. And it's unclear if Steyer is also talking about trying to help
Starting point is 00:42:10 residents of California is it people who reside in California and have been taken by ICE or is it people who are in ICE detention in California? California, yeah. Like those are different categories, right?
Starting point is 00:42:22 Like anyone or other people in immigration detention broadly in California to include anyone who would cross the southern border and then be detained, right? Like, this is all stuff that I'd like to see fleshed out. Maybe it will be. I am going to email his office and ask some of these questions. The last thing that
Starting point is 00:42:37 Steyer has in this five listed promises, is promised to launch a statewide know-your-rights, public education, and public awareness campaign. And Steyer writes, quote, backed by expanded protections against racial profiling, legal representation empowers detained individuals to report ISIS crimes to the special investigator and California's attorney general
Starting point is 00:42:58 and take the agents to court, unquote. So he sees all these things like working in conjunction together to prosecute ICE agents and give immigrants legal representation so that the investigative unit can be aware of certain crimes by ICE agents. It's the most that I've seen any politician put down as an actual plan to go after ICE. Some other people have employed this sort of rhetoric, but in terms of actually producing a plan to go about this, this is the most detailed that I've seen. And as James said, it'll be good to learn more about how he envisions this actually going into effect and those certain details that it would be nice to have more detail on. But as rhetoric and as an actual policy proposal, this is like the most advanced thing I've seen on actually trying to prosecute ICE and DHS. All right.
Starting point is 00:43:57 So let's talk a little bit more about immigration things around the topic. First and foremost in this, what I want to talk about is this. a court filing by the ACLU and Associated Groups pertaining to the South Florida soft-sided facility, South, aka Alligator Alcatraz, right? The court filing has some really disturbing stuff, and it basically details what they claim to be the continued abuse of detainees despite a court order that should have prohibited some of this, or prevented it rather. In their fighting, they alleged attorneys were prevented from meeting with their clients,
Starting point is 00:44:32 forced to make appointments. And we've seen some reporting on the physical abuse. I have not seen as much discussion of this, which I think is extremely concerning. Attorneys have been asked to submit copies of legal documents that they are bringing to go over with their clients, right? This would be a very clear violation of their attorney-client privilege, right, that those communications should be private between the attorney and the client. The facility denied detainees access. to phones. This was part of the previous court order that they were to have access to phones and communications with their attorneys, as well as some other stuff. They had to be advised of their rights, posters explaining some of this stuff. This resulted in demands and the parts of the
Starting point is 00:45:16 detainees to restore their access to phones. I want to quote at length from the filing here just so I don't make any false representations. Quote, after not having access to phone calls all day, people in their cages were getting frustrated with the situation. As these phone calls are the only way people can contact loved ones or speak with and secure an attorney. Detained individuals in Mr. Morphy and Mr. Hernandez-Galban's cage began complaining loudly about the phones not working. Mr. Morphy and Mr. Hernandez-Galban both reported that several guards who worked for CRS, the entity managing the facility, came to the cage
Starting point is 00:45:51 and were taunting the detained individuals inside. Detained individuals began raising their voices in protests. The guards got more aggressive and were yelling and threatening to enter the cage. Mr. Hernandez Galban went to the guards to try and de-escalate the situation and advised the guards not to enter the cage at that time, fearing it would lead to violence. Mr. Morphy and Mr. Hernandez-Galban both reported that another detained individual then went to the guards, and an officer punched that person. Then the officers targeted Mr. Morphy. Neither Mr. Morphy nor Mr. Hernandez-Galban know why they targeted Mr. Morphy. The guards threw Mr. Morphy to the ground and severely beat him up.
Starting point is 00:46:32 An officer came in and punched Mr. Morphy in his right eye and began to beat him. He was taken out the cage and thrown to the ground and beaten by multiple guards. He suffered injuries to his shoulder and arm and was kicked in the head. A guard placed their knee on his neck when the guard was trying to restrain him. Mr. Morphy does not know which guards are involved as they do not wear ID badges, but he believes he would recognize him. The officers beat several other people during this incident and broke another detained individual's wrist.
Starting point is 00:47:03 The officers then pepper sprayed everyone in the cage. A detained old gentleman passed out as he could not breathe. That's pretty horrific. This is just one day in one detention center. This is exactly what I was going to say. This is one cage on one day in one facility. And like if these people had not been brave enough to speak out, then we wouldn't know.
Starting point is 00:47:29 Or if these people had been deported before they could speak out, we wouldn't know, right? They didn't even have telephones to report this. If they hadn't had attorneys, we wouldn't know. Yeah, this is an insight into what's happening in this facility, and it is horrific. There are images that go with this. If people want to look them up, you can see some very clearly injured people. Or you can see at least one very clearly injured person. Let's go on an ad break and then talk about Iran and some.
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Starting point is 00:50:29 my parents and they're seeing all these people come up to me for pictures, it's like, what? Today now, obviously, it's like 100%. They believe everything, but at first it was just like, you got go get a real job. There's an economic component to communities thriving. If there's not enough money and entrepreneurship happening in communities, they fail. And what I mean by fail is they don't have money to pay for food. They cannot feed their kids. They do not have homes. Communities don't
Starting point is 00:50:54 work unless there's money flowing through them. Listen to eating while broke from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right. We are back and in our final segment of today's show, We're going to talk about the ongoing war with Iran, right? This past weekend, J.D. Vance and Jared Kushner, as well as Steve Wickoff, master negotiator, a guy who doesn't know the difference between a tweet that is public and a DM that is private. Incredible. They flew to meet an Iranian delegation in Pakistan, which serves to mediate and host ceasefire talks between the United States and Iran.
Starting point is 00:51:43 Ultimately, this did not result in an enduring agreement. between the US and Iran, and as a result, the United States has begun blockading Iranian ports. So far, several vessels have been turned around by the US blockade, and at least one that tried to run it was eventually turned back, even though it attempted to hug the Iranian coastline in order to avoid consequences. The US Navy has also issued instructions, which seemed to suggest that it could target shadow fleet vessels globally as part of the blockade if they're carrying a number of contraband items, which includes basically Iranian oil,
Starting point is 00:52:21 all its derivatives, weapons, some metals and industrial supplies. It's a very broad list of contraband. In the 13 claims instances of ships being turned around so far, I have not seen any in which there was a physical interdiction. It seems that the United States ships contacted them by radio, advising them of the blockade. The blockade has not currently seen. stopped some types of cargoes entering Iran. The notice to Mariner suggests that humanitarian supplies can enter, but those vessels are subject to inspection. If this causes a cooling effect or just a reduction in the ability of Iran to bring in more food, this could cause serious food shortages. There's already been massive food price inflation since the war began, and Iran had previously tried
Starting point is 00:53:15 to work around this, but a complete blockade would make that harder. It does seem that negotiations between the US and Iran are ongoing. We're recording this on Thursday, and the latest thing that I had seen has suggested that Iran is saying it might allow traffic through the strait if its assets are unfrozen. This hinges on the idea that Iran gets to decide who goes through the strait, right? the strait is wider than 12 miles is generally the territorial waters, right? So it is international waters. So the idea that Iran controls it, if the US signs some kind of deal which implies or outright
Starting point is 00:53:57 says that, would be a massive victory for Iran, right, at least in that area. Meanwhile, the United States is amassing a massive naval force in the region with three carrier strike groups either there or heading there. that is approximately 40% of the USA's Navy. Interestingly, the George H.W. Bush is going around Africa to get there. The ship, not the man. That's correct. George H. W. Bush himself is swimming. He's got a wet suit. No. Yes, the United States ship, George H. W. Bush, is going around the southern tip of Africa.
Starting point is 00:54:34 geography understanders will notice that that is the long way. The short way would be through the Suez Canal, right? Oh, no, they're doing the Russia, the Russo-Japanese War thing. It always goes great for the imperial power. Moving the ship around. I'm guessing they're doing it because they don't want to get hit by Yemeni groups, right, going through the Red Sea. And that seems to be the only explanation I can think of.
Starting point is 00:55:04 Two Avenger class mine countermeasures ships also left Singapore. They will also likely be headed to the region, right, for demining the strait. Meanwhile, it's worth noting that this ceasefire has not been universal, right? Bombing has not ceased in Kurdistan. This week, a Peshmerga of the Komala of the Toilers of Kurdistan. Gazal Molan, a young Kurdish woman, died after sustaining injuries in a strike on Tuesday. It seems that it was very hard for the Komala to find medical care for her. I'm going to quote from a piece by the Hanna Human Rights Organization here.
Starting point is 00:55:45 She then required urgent higher-level treatment, including advanced imaging, specialist trauma care and intensive care support. Hanna has received serious allegations that the necessary treatment was not provided and that the subsequent efforts to secure admission or transfer to other hospitals were delayed or refused. The central allegation under review is that once the case was understood to be connected to a drone strike and to carry political sensitivity, non-medical considerations may have affected decisions concerning her admission and treatment. It's pretty bleak if it's true, Ray Lake, if it turns out this person could have survived. But hospitals either feared political consequences or being struck themselves, they decided not.
Starting point is 00:56:30 And there's a, you can look at a show notes, right, that they link. they talk about a number of hospitals that they basically drove her around trying to find care. It's really heartbreaking. Again, other strikes have hit civilian facilities, including refugee camps that are associated with the Rojolati groups in Kurdistan. And that seems to be that there is no ceasefire for the Kurds, right? It's the long and the short of it, Iran. Iran is taking this time of peace negotiations to kind of reorganize its military and
Starting point is 00:57:03 and to reassess its supplies, even they have dug out some missiles and anti-air systems that were buried but not destroyed by strikes. And so they will be preparing for whatever comes next. If people want to know more about this, I made a whole episode, which will have come out the day before this in the same feed. So you can listen to it there. This morning also Trump announced a ceasefire deal for 10 days between Israel and Lebanon. We'll see if that...
Starting point is 00:57:33 turns out to be real if Israel will abide by this, but that is like as of four, like an hour ago while we record Thursday afternoon. Yeah. And it's worth noting there were literally thousands of violations of the last ceasefire that Iran had supposedly agreed to with Lebanon. So Israel, or not Iran, sorry, Israel had agreed. Yeah. Yeah. Trump had said that it was a quote, separate skirmish in Lebanon and thus didn't, it wasn't included in the ceasefire, which is a hell of a way to describe what's happening there. For our last story, let's talk about Sam Altman. Last week, a 20-year-old college student named Daniel Moranogama traveled from Texas to San Francisco, California,
Starting point is 00:58:16 and at 3.30 a.m. on April 10th, allegedly threw a Molotov cocktail toward the home of OpenA.I. CEO Sam Altman. The Molotov hit the top of the security gate on the driveway, leading to Allman's residents. Then at around 5 a.m., Moran O'Gama arrived at the Open AI headquarters and tried to use a chair to break into the building through the glass doors, but was stopped by security. According to security personnel on site, Moran O'Gama stated that he came to the headquarters to burn it down and kill anyone inside. A federal affidavit alleges that after detaining Moranogama, officers recovered, quote, incendiary devices, a jug of kerosene, a lighter and an anti-AI document.
Starting point is 00:59:04 Unquote. This document was a three-part manifesto, apparently authored by Moranogama. The first part was titled, quote, Your Last Warning, and allegedly states that Maranogama, quote, killed slash attempted to kill Sam Altman. Also writing, quote, if I'm going to advocate for others to kill and commit crimes, then I must lead by example and show that I am fully sincere in my message, unquote. The document then listed the names and addresses of investors, board members, and executives of AI companies. The second part of the document was titled, Some More Words on the Matter of Our Impending
Starting point is 00:59:42 Extinction. This section discussed the purported risk AI poses to humanity. The third part of the document was a letter addressed, quote, to Sam Altman, if you make it, and reads in part, quote, if by some miracle you live, then I would take this as a sign from the divine to redeem yourself, unquote. Marantogama's Instagram username was a butlerian jihadist in reference to the crusade against AI in the Dune novels. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:13 This account had a collection of Instagram stories saved about the existential threat of AI. Now, we don't have a copy of this three-part manifesto in full, but his substack is still online and it contains other writing about his belief that AI poses this existential threat to humanity. In this writing, his opposition to AI is not based on fears of disruptions to the economy, loss of jobs or labor rights, but the belief that AI will become a superior race and wipe out or enslave humanity. In a post from January 6, 26, he writes that AI will, quote, lead to human extinction
Starting point is 01:00:52 because of the, quote, rapid progress in artificial intelligence, unquote, as well as that AI models are not aligned with humanity's interests. To quote this essay, ignore for a second these models current limitations or questions on how truly intelligent or conscious these models may actually be. The truth is, all of these nuances are completely irrelevant to my argument. There are only two questions we should be concerned about at this moment. Is it willing to kill to preserve itself?
Starting point is 01:01:23 And is it capable of doing so? signs indicate that AI is willing and becoming potentially capable of doing both these things, and that is all that matters. We are dead if we do not act now, unquote. He recommended that people read Eliezer-Yudkowski's book, If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies. And other posts on his substack also mention Yudkowski's work, who's one of the four fathers of quote-unquote rationalism, rationalist thought. and writes a lot about AI, like, doom.
Starting point is 01:01:58 Yeah. AI will bring apart the, the end of humanity. This is very much a normal, like, less wrong kind of mindset, right? Like, this guy's not normal. He's clearly suffering from some disordered thinking and is not, like, this guy does not represent the average person who uses those things. But his justifications for what he did and his media diet is clearly all, like, less wrong stuff, all rationalists.
Starting point is 01:02:25 stuff, all Yiddkowski stuff. So he's, he's been kind of marinating in that. And, you know, this is what somebody who's not like, this is, unfortunately, kind of the logical extent of Yadkowski's ideas. Like he would say he doesn't want anyone doing stuff like this, but his literal contention is that this is going to kill everyone and everything. Like, and it will inevitably do it unless stopped. And if you really do believe that, you're kind of like left to act like these guys.
Starting point is 01:02:55 do. I think the responsible thing is for there to be an anti-AI movement that's not rooted in nonsense, which is, again, why we do the stuff that we do, because I'm very much against a lot of this shit, not because it's going to create a God that kills everybody, but because it makes the internet a lot worse and makes human thinking a lot worse and puts a lot of money into shitty people's hands and is just often unnecessary in many of its applications and outwardly, like, making some things worse and that's not great. Yeah. And like, you know, if you want to talk about like, oh, this is actually going to like end humanity. It's like, well, yeah, it's also intensifying climate change.
Starting point is 01:03:33 The thing that you would think these people would care about. But yeah. I mean, sure. Yeah. It's like that's the, I'm not, I don't tend to focus on the, the fucking water use aspects of people complaining about AI because there's so many things we do that are like horrible in those terms. Well, it's also. But I mean, also just like the, the, the, the, the, the, The just like the energy cost thing is massive. Yeah, yeah. And like that is like we're just burning a lot of resources for but scam bots. Yeah, it's just useless in a lot of like a lot of what it's being used for is pointless.
Starting point is 01:04:10 Like if you're able to, you know, create machines that are more accurately able to like scan for cancers or whatever fine. I don't have a problem with that. But like we don't need to be burning the resources that we're burning to replace. like people writing local news articles with slop advertisements, you know? Like, that's not a benefit to society, and I'm really angry at it. And it's frustrating to see people getting radicalized to literally attack AI people for bullshit reasons. Like, and honestly, Altman's partly to blame for this.
Starting point is 01:04:43 He's one of the people who has fan the flames of, we might be making an evil God. Yes, because that is really good for investors because it makes her product seem actually impressive. Yeah, but it's like world change. This is their preferred opposition. Yeah, if you are getting rich by saying, I might be making SkyNet, somebody stop me, someone might stop you, Sam, you know, like realistically, don't do that. This substack also contains writing on pseudo-spiritual philosophy about the, quote,
Starting point is 01:05:14 tree of ultimate reality, the aberration of man, the genealogy of being, and the warrior and the martyr, unquote. Sure, man. A little too much internet. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff there. But I want to briefly touch on this other essay about political extremism, where the writer, Moran Gama, describes himself as a consequentialist, defends discrimination, and advocates for, quote,
Starting point is 01:05:39 ending mass migration and initiating mass deportations. He proposes a system of IQ or merit-based nationalism, basically a country where citizenship is determined by IQ, and a program to advance, quote, ethical eugenics in the third world to promote IQ growth genetically, unquote. Yeah, that's also, that's like amazingly, this is one of these. This is one of those sort of like you look at the Hong Kong protest and it's like there are Maoists on both sides where both of like, both him and his enemies also believe this. Yeah, I mean, this is a certain strain of like rationalist, post-rationalist is really into this sort of like IQ. merit-based intelligence meritocracy.
Starting point is 01:06:25 Yeah, and so are like a bunch of the tech people who are building the AI stuff. I mean, this essay specifically is very disordered in its thinking. I do not think a lot of other rationalists would take some of the sort of beliefs and statements made in this essay at face value or like would not agree with the way that he would not agree with the way that Moranagama like writes about these sorts of like policies or ideas. it's very self-contradictory. He writes both kind of in favor and not in favor of IQ to vote or to become a citizen. It's all very kind of confused. And on Tuesday, Moranagama's public defender said in court that he has, quote, a history of autism and mental health illness and that his actions, quote,
Starting point is 01:07:10 appear to have been driven by an acute mental health crisis, unquote. Now, interestingly, two days after the Molotov cocktail attack, Stan Altman's home was a patient. apparently targeted again in a drive-by shooting. A man and a woman in their mid-20s have been arrested, connected to that. And on Tuesday morning, a Molotov cocktail was thrown at the entrance of a Tesla sales office in New Orleans, igniting a fire at the front door. No arrests have been made connected to that incident. I think I should also just briefly mention the warehouse fire thing, which I did a full
Starting point is 01:07:45 episode on earlier this week, that you can listen to. But kind of, in short, just asked to you. midnight on April 7th, a 29-year-old warehouse worker named Shemel Abdul Karim allegedly set a toilet paper warehouse on fire in Ontario, California, leased by the company Kimberly Clark. Abdul Karim allegedly filmed himself igniting three pallets of paper products on fire while saying aloud, if you're not going to pay us enough to fucking live or afford to live, at least pay us enough not to do this shit.
Starting point is 01:08:14 All you had to do was pay us enough to live. There goes your inventory, unquote. According to the DOJ, this fire caused over half a billion dollars in damages. That's 500 million in profit and 100 million in infrastructure. In the days after the fire, people started sharing viral clips of other warehouse fires across the country, asserting that a wave of copycat incidents were occurring where underpaid employees were setting their workplaces on fire. None of these subsequent warehouse fires have yet been deemed arson.
Starting point is 01:08:46 most are still under investigation, but some do have suspected accidental causes, such as electrical failure, exploding lithium ion batteries, and improperly mixed waste. At least one fire was at an abandoned warehouse, so there was no disgruntled worker setting his workplace on fire in that instance, most certainly. And warehouse fires themselves are actually pretty common. A report from the National Fire Protection Association found that from 2020 to 2024, an average of four warehouse fires occurred per day. The idea that the number of warehouse fires has suddenly increased is an instance of selective reporting where a big national news story causes people to share local reports that appear connected, even if there is no direct connection. This happens a lot with
Starting point is 01:09:29 aviation incidents where after news like of an accident involving a big commercial airliner, people will share local news reports of plane crashes, even if these just involve small private planes, which crash much more frequently. Now, I wrote about the warehouse fire story and the viral misinformation associated with it because I've been pretty consistent about the need to have an accurate understanding of the world in order to change it. But also, even if viral claims of copycat fires are unfounded, the memes and the reactions to the story, like Luigi Mangione, do demonstrate a form of class consciousness and do show
Starting point is 01:10:09 an act of willingness to rally behind such action. The toilet paper arson story specifically is really compelling because this is just an everyday worker. This isn't like a Maoist bombing plot. This isn't an anarchist affinity group. It's not hard to grasp the motivation and politics of a worker saying, all you had to do was pay us a living wage. That said, passive engagement with content promoting individualist adventurism can serve as a cathartic substitute for taking political action, including the relatively tedious and difficult work of union organizing. Memes like this warehouse fire trend can have a positive outcome if the sort of energy that's channeled through this direct action
Starting point is 01:10:48 and associated content could then be utilized towards actually building a labor movement instead of just being a way for influencers to attract engagement, which is the way a lot of this story has kind of perforated through Reddit, TikTok, Instagram, and Blue Sky and Twitter. So that's kind of why I talked about the story, the way I did in that episode. And if you want more details about this viral meme, you can check out that episode from a few days ago. Let's see. I think that's everything. There's no more news left.
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