It Could Happen Here - Executive Disorder: White House Weekly #20

Episode Date: June 13, 2025

The gang get together to discuss state violence in Los Angeles, tariffs, the Trump-Musk breakup and more ICE raids across the country. Sources: https://www.kpbs.org/news/public-safety/2025/05/19/san-diegos-highest-paid-city-employees-cops-racking-up-overtime-and-earning-over-400-000 https://www.nilc.org/resources/how-calif-dl-records-shared-with-dhs/ https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-for-detained-buona-forchetta-employees https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/expedited-removal https://www.npr.org/2025/06/04/nx-s1-5422248/trump-steel-aluminum-50-tariffs-double-prices https://finance.yahoo.com/news/live/trump-tariffs-live-updates-trump-says-he-will-set-unilateral-tariff-rates-within-weeks-200619527.html https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2025/06/02/immigration-restrictions-pile-up-on-international-students/ https://apnews.com/article/international-students-visas-trump-guidance-social-media-a1f5180ce83560aff66dd65534906697 https://apnews.com/article/international-students-visas-trump-guidance-social-media-a1f5180ce83560aff66dd65534906697 https://sahanjournal.com/public-safety/minneapolis-lake-street-law-enforcement-ice-homeland-security/ https://www.axios.com/2025/06/03/elon-musk-trump-white-house-relationship https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/elon-musk-privately-expresses-frustration-range-recent-moves/story?id=122485920 https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/28/us/politics/elon-musk-trump-doge.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/30/technology/trump-palantir-data-americans.html https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/01/30/2025-02009/protecting-the-united-states-from-foreign-terrorists-and-other-national-security-and-public-safety https://www.npr.org/2025/06/09/nx-s1-5427998/trump-travel-ban-countries-immigration-enforcementSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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in the White House, the crumbling world, and what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis. Today, I'm joined by Mia Wong and James Stout. This episode we are covering the week of June 4 to June 11. Let's start, James, with an update on the protests happening in LA in response to mass ICE raids in the Los Angeles area and also around the country. Yeah, so I've been in LA, I was up there covering it, I'm back home now, it's on Wednesday. We did a whole episode about this that people can listen to. In terms of updates, I think things were a little bit smaller tonight, there were a large number of detentions made last night, Tuesday night.

To summarize, the first two nights saw the city caught off guard. Yeah, the weekend was pretty spicy. Yeah, it got pretty wild out there. A couple of cop cars got destroyed, I think. Some Waymo's made the ultimate sacrifice. R.I.P. Waymo. Yep.

Oh, I saw them trucking the Waymo's out and there was not much Waymo left. Like it was the cremains of the Waymo passed me and there was not much Waymo left like it was the cremains of the Waymo passed me. Gone but not forgotten. So by Monday morning they had flooded Los Angeles with police. I saw police from LAPD, LASD, I saw police from FPS, DHS, National Guard, California Highway Patrol, it's like Pokemon for Cops up there.

And that resulted in them splitting up protesters, kettling and detaining people on Monday night. And they made extremely liberal use of impact munitions, chemical irritants, etc. Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, thousands of impact munitions. You can find casings all over DTLA if you just go walk around. I saw a lot of people had tagged up a lot of buildings in DTLA, but from what I've seen, I don't know, we'll see, right? It's also the week, so maybe things will get bigger again over the weekend. Yeah, things can get less combative during the week because people are busy with work

and keeping themselves fed and housed. And then on the weekend, things can sometimes open back up again. Yeah. And also, it's worth noting how these specific protests are flaring up, which is that, like, these ones are flaring up when ICE, like, drags people out of a place. Yeah. It is directly in response to ICE kidnapping their neighbors. Right?

And so, you know, the next time ICE does a bunch of kidnappings of people, there's a chance that it will pop off again because people are being like, holy shit, don't take my neighbor away. Yeah. And the LA protests are already happening in a sequence. Right? We had stuff happening in San Diego. We then had stuff in Minneapolis.

We then had stuff in Chicago. We then had the really big flare, which was LA. And I think what's interesting right now is that instead of having just like nationwide riots, like there was in 2020, this is more like a sequence that actually directly follows the actions of ICE. And in some ways, I think this can be harder to combat. If every city has the capacity to do what LA has done in response to the actions of ICE that follow the actions of ICE. That could be harder to prepare for than just the federal government realizing that we have to do massive counterinsurgency everywhere all at the same time like what

happened in 2020. If instead this is a rolling sequence of protests that happened directly in response to ICE actions, any city could be next. Instead of just trying to prepare for nationwide riots, they have to be this more like mobile fluid force. They have to respond to different outbursts that happen in different cities at different times. And I think the other advantage that this model has is that the actual protesters themselves can also iterate on tactics instead of trying to reinvent

the wheel every time you can take what happened in a previous city, like a week ago, two weeks ago, and iterate on that iterate on what was unsuccessfully what captured attention and what was able to catch the cops off guard, minimizing mass arrests. Yeah, in terms of the state response, just in case people have missed it, right 2000 National Guard troops, 700 United States Marines, the Marines would be came from 29ms. I know the Corps has like an urban warfare school or at least had one there in 29 Palms. Obviously, Camp Pendleton is a bigger base. Well, actually might not be geographically, they're both huge and closer to LA, but they sent them from 29 Palms instead. I didn't see any Marines. They're just supposed to

be protecting federal assets and not supposed to be out there like straight up policing. Obviously, that's, you know, unconstitutional. One could make a case it's unconstitutional to be deploying them at all in this fashion. There's some on the streets now. National Guard is actually making arrests on the street. Marines have not as of Wednesday, but some of the Marines have been deployed. There's upwards of 700 who are like in the process of being deployed to LA streets right now out of 2000 available troops, out of 2,000 available troops, some of which are actually still receiving training on standard rules

of force. So these people do not have necessarily extensive training on police crowd control, but are currently brushing up on crowd control tactics. Yeah. What I saw from National Guard was like, it seemed to be by rank, although I'm not certain of that, guys with shields and sticks, right seemed to be by rank, although I'm not certain of that. Guys with shields and sticks, right, just straight up poles, as opposed to like truncheons with like a T shape or an L shape or whatever. And then probably one in every five or six had an M4 with a magazine. That's a gun for people who aren't familiar. It's an AR-15.

And that's obviously live ammunition. So like, they didn't seem to have any access to like less lethal or they didn't bring them if they did. But I don't know about Marines and obviously we saw like police using less lethal and then LASD also had some cops with them pause amongst their formations. And this is just about to like really expand outside of LA and California. Amidst anti-ice protests across Texas, Governor Greg Abbott just deployed the Texas National Guard.

And on Tuesday night, I believe, MSNBC broke the story that ICE is about to send special response team, quote unquote, tactical units, to five Democrat-controlled areas, namely New York City, Seattle, Chicago, Philadelphia, and Northern Virginia. Yeah, SRT is like a SWAT team, if you're not familiar. There was a DHS-SRT that ended up responding to that South Park protest in San Diego that we mentioned last week or the week before.

As of Wednesday, there's already been protests this week in over half US states. This will certainly continue throughout the weekend. At least for LA LA on Tuesday night, the mayor announced an 8pm curfew in downtown Los Angeles. There were mass arrests Tuesday night, hundreds of people. I think the other advantage that this kind of rolling sequence model that we've seen with like San Diego, Minneapolis, Chicago, LA, is that not only does it give people time to like iterate on tactics, it also gives people a break. If anyone who survived 2020, like you know how intense burnout can be from just doing that all the time. And having the built in breaks where you can like recover

physically and mentally while iterating on tactics, that could be interesting to see. Matthew 10 I think also there's one thing we should notice about this, which is that like, could be interesting to see. I think also there's one thing we should notice about this, which is that like, there's a very clear actual thing you're trying to do here, which is stop them from taking these people. And even if you fail to immediately take someone, like stop them taking someone in the moment, every single like second they're having to do dealing with this shit is means that they're not doing it.

Yeah. So you're degrading their capacity. Yeah, exactly. Time is like the most valuable asset here. Yeah, and obviously again, the larger goals you want to expel, one of the most common things I'm hearing from people is just like ice out of the city, right? We don't want them to be fucking doing these raids. But every time they're forced to actually face resistance when they're doing a raid

makes it much, much harder for them to do it. They have to start planning for there to be resistance to the rage, which slows them down. And yeah, everything you could do to put fucking wrenches into the gears until the machine breaks is, is good. And there's a, there's a very clear path from A to B to C in a way that they're kind of aren't like, it doesn't rely on politicians doing stuff. It just relies on us stopping them. So yeah. Yeah. Talking about politicians doing stuff, it just relies on us stopping them. So yeah. Yeah. Talking about politicians doing stuff, the city of Glendale did cancel its detention contract with ICE, right? So they won't be detaining people there.

So like a little bit of progress there. And Gavin Newsom has said some shit about the deployment of the National Guard and California has filed a court case. Like Newsom has not done everything in his power to stop that. But it's Gavin Newsom, what do you expect? I'll be everything in his power to stop that. But Gavin Newsom, what do you expect? I'll be back in LA if things continue there, but it's certainly the biggest protest we've seen this time around in the Trump administration. All right. Let's go on break and come back to discuss more news. Camp Shane, one of America's longest running weight loss camps for kids, promised extraordinary

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the Trump administration has announced a new travel ban. The form of the travel ban is basically anyone who applies for a visa or is in the process of applying for a visa currently, if they are from one of these 12 countries is unable to obtain a visa to the United States, right? The 12 countries, seven have partial restrictions. And then the full ban is on Afghanistan, Myanmar, Chad, the Republic of Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Haiti, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen. And then Burundi, Cuba, Laos, Sierra Leone, Togo, Turkmenistan, and Venezuela have like

a higher barrier, right? And some visas are not available to them. Myanmar is an interesting inclusion there. Yeah, it is. They looked at two criteria, it seems, right? Because Trump made an executive order at the start of his presidency, like looking to identify countries for a travel ban. The two criteria they had were visa overstay percentages, and the quote unquote, not having a competent central authority to cooperate with on vetting, right? So like, you can't do a background

check on someone if their country doesn't have that facility. It's a claim, right? I think they got Myanmar on visa overstay percentages. It's worth noting, right, that they use percentages and not raw numbers for a reason. Because yeah, a certain percentage of Burmese people may overstay their visa, I think it's 27.1%. people may overstay their visa, I think it's 27.1%, that amounts to 543 individuals. If we look at, for instance, France, these are 2023 numbers, about 0.6% of French people overstay their visa, that amounts to 9,182 individuals, right? So like a percentage is great, but like a big percentage of a small thing instead of a small thing. Yeah. This is how they're attempting to justify it though in terms of bulletproofing it through

the courts. Obviously they didn't have the best luck with their travel ban in the first administration. So using this tactic is one that they're hoping will justify it, will stick the landing through the courts. I should add that they have some exemptions, right? Existing visa holders who are currently within the United States can remain in the United States, right? In practice, lots of these countries only get single entry visas, so it might be hard for them to leave and come back. But it's sometimes it

I've heard it reported that like all these people like people from these countries can no longer come to the United States or be in the United States. And that's not true. There are exemptions for people who are dual citizens, there are exemptions for adoptive children, there are exemptions for ethnic and religious minorities in Iran, there are exemptions for sports teams, because the United States is holding the World Cup and the Olympics, right? Yeah. Like it would be something of a farcical spectacle if, you know, 19 countries were not represented. I mean, the Olympic Games is something of a farcical spectacle to begin with, one could argue.

But yeah, they didn't want that, right? They didn't want that like international spectacle. So a professional athlete visa is hard to get at the best of times. So like that is a high bar, but those ones still seem to be available. And then there's also exemptions for SIV, right, special immigrant visas, these are people who have worked closely with the United States, the vast bulk of them will be Afghan people, people who worked as interpreters or otherwise cooperated with the United States during the 20 years, the United States was at war in Afghanistan. Again, I've seen that misreported, including by people who really should know better. But you know, I'm never not disappointed in a lot of people's immigration coverage. This will be challenged in court, right? But I think they have gone some way to trying to make this a bit more bulletproof than they did before. And it is concerning that they seem to have a better chance.

Obviously pretty concerning, especially for us, you know, with our extensive reporting on Burma or Myanmar that those people can't come here and be safe. Yeah, that's a travel ban in a nutshell, I guess. Also, I think it's worth noting. So like, this is just an expanded version. Well, I guess it's like a little bit of differences, but it's basically an expanded version of the Muslim ban from his first term. Yeah, with some new countries.

And I think maybe the removal of some countries from previously. Yeah. And like, it's worth noting that like in Trump one, like that immediately caused the airport protests, which were like the first big protests of the administration that were extremely effective until people like went home. And this time it's basically not been a news story because we're so far along that the protests have been about like ISIS dragging our neighbors away. And yeah, I just think that's fucking bad as shit.

And also the airport protests like were really effective. They were some of the more effective protests in those years yeah. Yeah. I am. Yeah. I did see a flyer for an airport protest but I've seen no evidence of ones occurring. Yeah I had heard that there was going to be one on Monday but that it just like didn't happen so I don't know what's going on with that yeah but that was a thing that was pretty effective

and they also didn't beat the shit shit of everyone for most of it, which was nice. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Mia, talking of beats, how about we drop some beats right now with this sick Tariff song? Great work, James. Thank you. Thank you. The Donald Trump has apparently, according to him, resolved the trade war with China.

He's claiming the negotiate. We won? He's claiming victory. Mission accomplished. Yep. The claim that he's making out of the London negotiations. And I want to point out that I have not heard anything from the Chinese side.

It's possible there'll be stuff from the Chinese side by the time this episode comes out. It's possible this whole deal will have collapsed by the time this comes out. It seems like the deal is that US maintains tariffs at 55%, which is what they're at right now. China maintains 10% tariffs, and then China ensures US access to rare earth metals.

And then the US does, Trump was talking about the US not actually doing a crackdown on like Chinese international students. So who knows what the fuck is gonna happen with any of that. That is the reporting that's coming out right now. I don't know quite frankly I am skeptical this is going to hold. Again like I don't I don't know if like in two days when this episode comes out if any of this is going to be true,

because again, we have heard nothing from the Chinese side. It has all been from Trump. So who the fuck knows? But yeah, that's that that is that is the late of Tariff News. This is a kind of short one. That's that's what we've got. That's exciting. That's exciting that we won. Trade is back. I can go back to buying everything I own from Timu.

No problem. Yeah. I mean, I can give my usual disclaimer that 50% tariff on China is like fucking ruinous to the global economy, etc., etc. I do genuinely hope that like Chinese international students aren't getting cracked out on because Jesus fucking Christ, those poor kids, all of these policies are tied together in this sort of like unhinged like American nationalist project, etc poor kids. All of these policies are tied together in this sort of like unhinged like American nationalist project, et cetera, et cetera. They're all connected. They hate us all. And yay, really, really fun time to be a Chinese trans woman in the US. Woo!

Okay. It's also fun to enjoy the COVID vaccine because we may not get it for much longer. I guess I'll do a brief update on an episode I did with Cave a few weeks ago. So RFK has now dismissed the entirety of the ACIP, the CDC's vaccine advisory committee. That has just been completely dissolved. This happened on Tuesday. That was the big fear that Cave had is that if that panel gets dissolved, that was kind of the last line of defense with like reasonable people being in charge of COVID vaccine recommendations at the CDC. And that is gone. And just a few minutes ago, RFK Jr. announced the replacements and I have not had enough time to look into all these

guys because this was literally just 30 minutes ago, but at least half of them are the very least, what would be considered a COVID vaccine skeptic. Oh, great. Right wing libertarian types, people who have been dismissed from their academic positions. Basically it's who you would expect RFK to submit to a vaccine advisory panel. The very least half are like cranks. I will try to look into the rest of these guys in the future. We should probably do a full follow up episode eventually on the new panel. So not looking good on the COVID vaccine front.

Yeah, we also have very bad news from the FCC, which instead of like, you know, I don't know, like I know crypto scams are supposed to be the SEC's thing but I feel like the FCC also should have fucking things for crypto scams but instead of instead of going after the fucking crypto scams what they're doing is they're gonna hold like meetings basically with what is I'm assuming is going to be a bunch of the most unhinged g-trans grifters and anti-trans like hacks, frauds, and violent bigots. Notably, not trans people. Yeah. They will not be included. No. Per the statement. No trans people. No trans people.

No, no, no. No. They're looking into ways to do like FCC investigations for like deceptive marketing practices for any doctor and also parents for some reason. Which how the fuck is the- you go into a parent for effective marketing? What the fuck are we doing here? But anyone who like gives a child any kind of trans health care? I mean, is it specifically trans health care? Or are they trying to like specify like surgical procedures? Because I've seen some like mixed reporting on this. It's unclear right now. The wording that I saw was so ambiguous that I think it could be anything, but I don't know.

And this is, I think one of those things, it's not clear that they know right now. Right. Like it's all just really, really up in the air. What the fuck is it going to turn into? Or if this is even going to turn into anything. We had that whole at the beginning of pride. The FBI was like, Hey, you can report like doctors doing like trans healthcare, here to thing. Yeah.

And some of these have not really turned into anything yet. The anti-woke FBI soliciting tips for people providing trans healthcare. Yeah, yeah. So like, I don't know, we'll put a pin in that one to see if some fucking horrible stuff happens out of the out of there. That's, you know, one of the next giant anti-trans things that they're doing as all of the anti-immigrant stuff happens, as they fucking make vaccines illegal.

Like, it's... So much of the trans stuff specifically is like just the chilling effect. It's trying to scare people away from providing people with the health care that they need to live fulfilling lives. And it's working. Like, there are lots of clinics that have like fucking stopped. And if you are one of the people at these clinics, fuck you, eat shit. I think that is where people can apply pressure to.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I was going to say. Yeah, it's like there have been protests. You're not going to change the mind of the Trump administration on this topic at this point. But you can apply pressure to people who are feeling like they're too scared to actually provide health care and they can be reminded that no, it is their duty to provide people with health care. Yeah.

Yeah. And people have successfully gotten clinics to restart like trans health care for kids by just going out and protesting. But this is also just like, if you're, I don't know, you're in like a blue city and you don't know immigrants, and you're like, I want to do a protest. This is the thing you can do. You can find there's one in Chicago right now that I'm blanking on the name of where there's a bunch of protests. Yeah, but like you can find the clinics that are refusing to do this and you can go fucking protest them and this can and will work. We've spoken on the show before to health care workers who are like very dedicated to keeping the provision of gender affirming care. So like, if you want to listen to more, you can hear that. You can hear how folks are organizing to protect that.

Yeah, and all of those people are fucking heroes even if they probably won't be remembered as such for a long time, but they are and keep doing it and keep the fight up. Let's go on break and then return to finish up on an exciting piece of news. Hooray! Camp Shane, one of America's longest running weight loss camps for kids, promised extraordinary results. Campers who began the summer in heavy bodies were often unrecognizable when they left. In a society obsessed with being thin, it seemed like a miracle solution.

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Okay, we are back. So, as usual, massive news dropped right after we finished recording last week's Executive Disorder. And that is the Elon Musk Donald Trump breakup story got a lot more messy. So this is what we're going to close on, possibly one of our last Stinky Musk segments. God, I fucking hope. Jesus Christ.

We'll never forget you, Elon. Mia, do you want to start us off here? Yeah, let's start this off with, okay, I have been seeing, this has kind of stopped now that Elon has kind of like run crying back to Trump, but like, We'll see. There was a moment where a lot of the like, like Madden Glaciers, like a lot of the sort of like reasonable Democrats or whatever, were trying to be like, we should try to recruit Musk into the coalition. That was a scary moment. Yeah.

Yeah. I want to remind everyone, this is the guy who did two Nazi salutes at the inauguration. Two, two of them. He did one and then he did a second one. People have forgotten that he also did the second Nazi salute. Like census administration came into office. He has spent this time destroying the federal government. He has spent this time terrorizing like government employees just shutting down

fucking important government institutions enormous numbers of people are going to die because of the things that he's done like you uh the shutting down USAID and particularly like the vaccine programs the anti-HAV programs you know like he's just been doing all of the shit for this entire time right he has been just systematically looting and tearing apart anything in the US federal government that even can remotely do anything for a person from again, everything from like HIV prevention to like destroying a bunch of the apparatus that like figures out what the weather is going to be and tells you when storms are coming. Yeah, he has been fucking doing that. Well, Mia, the weather is woke. You can't you can't forget the woke weather machines. Yeah, that's right. I just had a meeting with the Southeast Alliance

where we're deciding the weather for the next few weeks. Oh my fucking god. Make it less hot here. It's too fucking hot. Weather too hot. I know. Well, we have to raise the temperature, Mia. It's all, it's all part of the big- Follow the plan. Large-scale political plan. That's right. You You get it James. Yeah, follow the plan more heat more riots. I don't know. That's right. Okay It's also remembering that these two were very very close Sort of like during this election cycle, right? Trump was just straight up going first buddy It was just I mean, he just like straight up in Philadelphia Like paying people to vote through these like raffles. Elon.

Elon, yeah, Elon was just like, yeah, straight up doing these, right? Trump just like did a Tesla ad. Yeah, yeah. He's like, he just did a Tesla ad. Hey, first buddies gotta have each other's backs, you know? Yeah, never say that again. So there had started to be a little bit of tension between them, like, as the tariffs sort of mounted, because the tariffs are, you know, not good for Elon.

And things kind of came to a head when Elon tried to buy the Wisconsin Supreme Court election and just got his ass kicked harder than anyone I've ever seen get just absolutely thumped. This is where the policy wonk sector of the right was starting to like side eye Elon and question his invincibility, right? This guy that can come in and like save the Republican Party, can secure every future election. That's where that view of Elon started to really get called into question. Maybe this guy is kind of just a one hit wonder. Yeah. And you can also look at a lot of the stuff that was sort of happening here in terms of like he is staggeringly unpopular, right? Everyone fucking hates him and

like the Democratic Party did a really bad job of this But like just like the party's base and the Tesla protests were very effective and like negative Yeah, the polarizing opinion of him negative people really really dislike him like worldwide. Yeah, everyone hates it He cost right-wing parties elections and countries that like yeah Yeah staggering like he he may have accidentally saved Germany from fascism for like a decade Why yes, it's very funny, you know critical support to support to the fascist carmaker who saves Germany from fascism. Yeah. By zitting.

Yeah. So we've been coming up to the end of his appointment as a special... What the fuck is the name of the term? Special government employee. Yeah. Special government employee. Oh, it was special. I was going to say that and then I was like, it can't be called special government employee.

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it's bad. And this is I I think, actually an important thing to note here. Like like actively campaigning against the budget bill and yeah, yeah, which is essentially Trump's like core policy at this point. It's like the way to the way to push through a whole bunch of the stuff that he can't just do himself as president is just Trojan horse through this budget bill. Yeah. Yeah. And this gets to, I think, something that's like a kind of important split in the Republican Party right now about this budget, which is that like Musk is a budget deficit true believer, right?

Like, yes, he and his ghouls are trying to destroy the federal government because, like, ideologically, they don't think it should really exist, except for, like, as a tool to hand them money, as a tool to, like, shoot people who they don't think it should really exist except for like as a tool to hand them money as a tool to like shoot people who they don't like but he is part of this cadre of tech people and this is very very common in these tech circles you see this in some finance circles of these people who believe that the US is about to like enter like the super great depression because the the amount of the GDP being spent on debt payments is too high and so they think if they don't like stop this right now, and this is partially

why they were trying to like crash the economy, because they thought that if you crash the economy and you did all this tariff stuff or like whatever, it would, it would decrease the cost of, of us borrowing. Now that didn't happen, right? The interest rates of the bond shot up because everyone was like, holy fuck. These like absolute maniacs aren't going to pay their debt. So, you know, none of this shit is working, but they are like true believers on this, right?

And this is, again, this is very, very, very common in tech circles. It's like these people who like are really like, oh God, the US is going to die unless we like, unless we start just like destroying the national debt. And the whole Doge idea is built around like terminal tech brain. Yeah. And it's trying to apply the logic of these like startups that are kind of scams, but trying to apply the logic of startups to an entire government. And there was an interview in NPR this week where they talked to a Doge employee. Oh yeah, he was an ex-Doge employee. And NPR asked about how much fraud and like

abuse they were actually able to find. And he said, quote, I did not find the federal government to be rife with waste, fraud and abuse. I was expecting some more easy wins. I was hoping for opportunity to cut waste, fraud and abuse. And I do believe that there is a lot of waste. There's minimal amounts of fraud and abuse to me feels relatively non-existent. And the reason is, I think we have a bias as people coming from the tech industry where we work dead companies, you know, such as Google, Facebook, these companies that have plenty of money are funded by investors and have lots of people kind of sitting around

and doing nothing. Unquote. So his idea that the government must be full of like fraud and abuse is because that's just how tech companies work. And he assumed that the government works be full of like fraud and abuse is because that's just how tech companies work. And he assumed that the government works the same as a tech company. Yeah. And I think Elon views this the exact same way. That's why he was doing his like Twitter takeover stuff to the government.

Yeah. Is he believed that's how it actually functions. And it doesn't. That's not really how the federal bureaucracy functions. Like these people have just like eaten the fucking Kool-Aid, right? Like none of the Republicans actually believed that like the US economy functions like a pocketbook. Like, none of them believed that shit, because it's not true, right? Like, you don't print your own money, so of course the US government doesn't function

like a pocketbook. But like, this is the generation of people where the people who are just so absolutely peeled on the ideology have taken over. But on the other hand, there is Trump, and Trump doesn't give a fuck about any of this, right? Like the faction that Trump here is representing is the faction of capitalists who just wants tax cuts. You don't give a fuck about like all of this weird tech brain stuff.

Like they elected Trump with the mandate of handing them trillions of dollars in these form of formerly tax cuts and that's all they care about. And we're getting a giant conflict between them because as much as Trump has just sort of been like lying about the budget numbers or whatever the fuck if you're one of these actual budget lock people you can just look at the budget and go this is going to increase the debt by like two trillion dollars or whatever the fuck, right? And it's revealed a sort of pre-existing source of tension inside of the base between the sort of tech people and a lot of the rest of sectors of capital which aren't as ideologically pilled so let's get in to all of the

actual shit because it's very funny so business insider put together a really good minute by minute timeline if you want to do that I'm not going through this shit minute by minute like I'm not gonna go through minute by minute I am I am gonna go through tweet by tweet We do first time I've ever really wanted to say that oh, they're so good Yeah, the first big tweet and this was you know amongst Elon crashing out about the budget bill and and talking about how he's gonna Cancel certain certain SpaceX projects. But the first big tweet from Elon was,

time to drop the really big bomb. At real Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. That is the real reason they have not been made public. Have a nice day, Donald J. Trump. Mark this post to the future. The truth will come out. So this is the really big one, as Elon says, the really big Bob. I actually think this in

the long run could be one of the most important aspects of this entire fight because the right is incredibly conspiracy brained. They've all been like hyped up on this like Epstein pill shit and like specifically on like the Trump's going to release the Epstein files and

show all the Democrats. Right. But they've always on like the Trump's gonna release the Epstein files and show all the Democrats, right? But they've always had like this psychological block about talking about the fact that like Trump and Epstein are The most connected motherfuckers anyone's ever been. I'm gonna read this. There's a very famous quote I'm from a New York magazine article. That's like Trump talking to a bunch of people at like a meeting Quote I've known Jeff for 15 years terrific guy Trump booms from a speakerphone he's a lot of fun to be with it has even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do and many of them are on the younger side no doubt about it he's Jeffrey enjoys his social life so like he knew right he was

present to you for ages yes 2002 I like he's he's on Epstein's fucking plane like he is Like everyone knows this right like everyone except for everyone except for like the weirdo can QAnon right? Understands this and some of the people try to justify this as being like no Trump was like you know a deep A deep plant who got in close with with Epstein so that we could eventually round up and arrest all the Democrat Pedophiles, right? That's how they try to justify it. But now that that sort of specific QAnon logic doesn't really exist as much on the right anymore.

Yeah. Now people just like memory hole, especially the right. They just memory hole that like Trump and Epstein were best buddies. Yeah, and this is the thing, it's been impossible to talk about on the right. You just can't do it, right? And suddenly, Elon Musk, who is a guy who like is capable of shifting what right

wing discourse is, it's suddenly like, yeah, this guy's a pedophile. I want to read this, this, this post that Trump made as response to this. Right. I miss this when this happens. I've only seen this in the business insider reporting. I miss this when this happens. I've only seen this in the Business Insider reporting. So on Truth Social, Trump's response to this was to post it, or to Truth.

To Truth, thank you. To Truth, yeah. A thing of David Shown, who tweeted this, quote, I was hired to lead Jeffrey Epstein's defense as his criminal lawyer nine days before he died. He sought my advice for months before that. I can authoritatively, unequivocally, and definitively say he has no information to hurt President Trump. I specifically asked him.

Yeah, that sounds legit. This is one of the most unhinged posts I have ever seen. This genuinely, this is this is not a joke. If you if you are a fucking poster, and you are like, what can my contribution to the future of democracy be? You need to push this shit into the unhinged fucking depths of fucking 8chan, right? Into the fucking breeding layers of the most unhinged right wing spaces in the world. You need to be going in and just injecting this shit straight into their fucking brains. You need to be like, just like, just hyping them up on the most unhinged conspiracies about

Trump being like a fucking, like being a fucking Epstein guy because this is completely unhinged. Like, what do you mean his defense lawyer who was hired nine days before he died is supposed to have specifically asked him about Trump and Trump's response to being called a pedophile is to go to this guy? Fucking inject that shit into right-wing discourse. We know 4chan does this, the leftist discourse all the time and injects like the worst discourses of all time.

Fucking do it to them. It is odd how this was really the first thing that breaks through this block on the right. You had Alex Jones like freaking out on Twitter being quote, God help us all. So did Kanye or Ye. Kanye was freaking out. Cat turn was crashing out on the timeline. It was really bizarre. Trump's immediate response was saying, quote, I don't mind Elon turning against me, but he should have done so months ago. This is one of the greatest bills

ever presented to Congress. And then he goes on to talk about how great the bill is. It's wild, you had Ian Miles Chong tweeting about Elon versus the president, who will win? My money is on Elon, Trump should be impeached and JD Vance should replace him with Elon Musk boosting this claim saying, yes. Yeah, it's pretty good. It's pretty funny. Something that's extremely indicative of the current cultural moment that we are at is during this spat, when things really broke

out on Twitter and truth social, during this spat, both the vice president of the United States and the director of the FBI were on two separate podcasts and got to do live react to this conflict. I know that. That's very funny. Unfortunately, I am going to play the clip. I will start with JD Vance reacting live on a podcast by someone named Theo Vaughn. Here's my basic reaction to like all this stuff is look.

First of all, like absolutely not. Donald Trump didn't do anything wrong with Jeffrey Epstein. Like there's, the guy is, whatever the Democrats and the media says about him, that's totally BS. Here's my basic, my basic read on it. First of all, I'm the vice president to President Trump. My loyalties are always gonna be with the president.

And I think that Elon, he's an incredible entrepreneur. He's actually done a, I think Doge was really good. The sort of effort to root out waste, fraud, and abuse in our country was really good. And look, man, I'm always gonna be loyal to the president. And I hope that eventually Elon kind of comes back into the fold. Maybe that's not possible now because he's gone so nuclear.

But I hope it is. It feels like his feelings are hurt. Why though? Do you know why? Yeah, I mean, so look, I think number one, Elon's new to politics, right? So part of it is this guy got into politics and has suffered a lot for it. But I mean, and I get the frustration there and I get the frustration that I mean, look, Congress, you got the spending bill, but the main purpose of the bill is not actually spending or cutting spending, though it does cut

a lot of spending. The main purpose of the bill is not actually spending or cutting spending, though it does cut a lot of spending. The main purpose of the bill is to prevent the biggest tax increase. But I understand like it's a good bill, it's not a perfect bill. Like the process in DC, if you're a business leader, you probably get frustrated with that process because it's more, you know, bureaucratic, it's more slow moving.

So I think there's just some frustrations there. But I really, man, I think it's a huge mistake for him to go after the president like that. And I think that's a huge mistake for him to go after the president like that. And I think that if he and the president are in some blood feud, most importantly, it's going to be bad for the country. But I think it's going to be I don't think it's going to be good for Ilan either. So that's JD Vance's reaction to this.

He eventually got put onto like damage control. We'll talk about that in a sec. What is more interesting to me is Cash Patel's reaction, because Patel has been taking fire from the right for being a little bit soft on the promise of releasing the full Epstein files, trying to downplay the extent of the files and say there's really nothing in there

that's super notable. And this has gotten him in trouble because him and people like Dan Bongino have for years made a living out of Talking about how the Epstein files is gonna, you know ruin the Democratic Party They have they have all of this evidence all this footage and now that these guys are in power they're simply not talking about this issue and this has got some of the QAnon right upset and Cash fatale's reaction to this this is frankly baffling.

I'm not participating in any of that conversation between Elon and Trump. Have a nice day, DJ D. So much diggits falling away. They're going back and forth about different things. Yeah. Well, he said he was disappointed in Elon. Yeah, he told him to leave. Jesus Christ, that's a crazy thing to say. How does he know? Does he know that Donald Trump is in the Epstein files? Does he have access to the Epstein files? I don't know how he would, but I'm just staying out

of the Trump Elon thing. That's way outside my lane. What the fuck are they doing? I know my lane and that ain't it. What do you mean this isn't your lane? You're the director of the FBI. You are in charge of the Epstein files. This specifically is your lane. This one thing is actually your lane. It's unhinged. Oh my God. His big thing now is he has to wear a hunting camo all the time, I guess, as his new lane. So after the heat of this started to die down, you started to get more of the right to try to, I guess, soothe the tension. A lot of people trying to talk about coming together.

You had right-wing commentators trying to frame this as two alpha males beefing, right? This is just how alpha males feed. This is what happens. We've got to quote some of these because... Jack Pasovic famously said, some of y'all can't handle two high agency males going at it and it really shows. This is direct communication, phallocentric, versus indirect communication, gynocentric. I understand you aren't used to it.

Wonderful stuff from Psobic as usual. You also had our friends at The New Norm posting videos about trying to solve this dispute through a dancing competition. Roll the clip. Can't we all just get along? We've got a country to say it. I do find it odd that a lot of people's innate reaction after the heat died down was, even if Elon Musk is semi-credibly accusing the president of being a pedophile, can't we just all get along together? I don't know why we can't just get along. This is hurting the country. And Elon's remark about Trump being in the files is in and of itself just kind of baffling

from Elon's perspective because he was bragging in tweets about how he is responsible for Trump being elected. And Trump was then having to respond to that by claiming that they would have won the election without Elon. But Elon was saying that without him, Trump would have lost the election right after he called him a pedophile, which is super interesting because it's essentially Musk saying, I'm fine with making sure a pedophile gets elected president, but I draw the line at a bad spending bill. Yeah. Yeah. That's really what is too much for him.

The implication is that if he didn't get essentially shafted from the White House, he just would have kept this a secret and he's like, okay with working with Trump otherwise, except for the bad bill. And maybe he's maybe he's butthurt about Trump threatening to terminate his governmental subsidies and contracts. But like, come on, Elon, this is crazy! Yeah, yeah. Not the most well-considered. It is fantastic that the richest man in the world is addicted to posting.

Because we get some real bangers. Posters madness. It never fails. I gotta say, though, Trump's posting response? Terrible. This guy is washed. There's nothing there. He's fucking gone mentally. Like he could have fucking like even 2020 Trump just destroys him in one tweet. Like none of this. He's just nothing left there. He's just shell. Now, they have now been making attempts to fold the team back together. It was reported recently that actually on Friday night, which was the day after this spat unfolded on Twitter, but a Friday night JD Vance and White House Chief of Staff Suzie Willis had a call with Elon to

de-escalate the conflict. Eventually Elon started deleting some of his more inflammatory tweets about the President. Coward. And has now posted, quote, I regret some of my posts about President Trump last week. They went too far. I said the things I wasn't supposed to say. So he got a stern talking to by, by JD Vance, who is, who is kind of caught in between Trump and Musk here, but has stated that his loyalties will always lie with the president. So yeah, that is the current state of the Musk and Trump fallout. It will not be able to go back to how it was, but they might try to play nice again.

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