It Could Happen Here - Executive Disorder: White House Weekly #35

Episode Date: September 26, 2025

We discuss the shooting of three ICE detainees in Dallas, Trump’s Gold Card and 100k H1B visa fee, soybean tariffs, and reports of the FBI designating trans people “terrorists.” Sources: https://www.padilla.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/09-16-2025-Whistleblower-Disclosure-to-Congress-re-Guatemalan-UC-Repatriation-SN.pdf https://www.nilc.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/MEMORANDUM-OPINION.pdf  https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/the-gold-card/  https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/restriction-on-entry-of-certain-nonimmigrant-workers/  https://x.com/ReichlinMelnick/status/1970491119831028000  https://www.npr.org/2025/09/23/nx-s1-5550915/trump-immigration-judges  https://www.npr.org/2025/09/02/g-s1-86691/military-lawyers-immigration-judges-jag  https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/designating-antifa-as-a-domestic-terrorist-organization/ https://www.ed.gov/about/news/press-release/us-department-of-education-afpi-tpusa-hillsdale-college-and-over-40-national-and-state-organizations-launch-america-250-civics-coalition#:~:text=Home-,U.S  https://www.americafirstpolicy.com/centers/america-250-civics-education-coalition?__cf_chl_tk=CX4TkwEkLHCaXlh.Fd5SU143s0.XxeWDM.gYxCgS1R4-1758115761-1.0.1.1-PtDspNboVVBLqiywS5GF3.Ns09TzWf.a9IAN86NyplM https://oversight-project.revv.co/urge-the-fbi-to-designate-transgender-terrorism  https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/fbi-readies-new-war-on-trans-people  https://www.them.us/story/trump-admin-fbi-trans-nihilistic-violent-extremists-terrorist See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Another famously slow newsweek in the United States of America. And abroad. Only the most stable out of all democratic countries. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, of the democracies, we're easily the most democratic. Mm-hmm. Shining city on a hill.

On a hill. That's right. That's right. Elevated. Yeah. So let's talk about this guy who opened fire and an ice detention facility to start off with then. Sure. That's the big news story today, is that there's been a shooting at a,

an ice facility in Dallas. This is not the first shooting at a North Texas ice facility this year. Two detainees were killed and one injured last I saw. They were in an ice van, it looks like, and the shooter killed themselves pretty quickly, it seems like, like fired a few rounds and then killed themselves. Yeah. Cash Patel, who's the director of the FBI, shared pretty quickly after shooting on X.com, the everything website, a photo of a stripper clip what looks a lot like 8mm Mouser ammunition. One round had the word anti-ice written on it in blue pen in block capital letters. Yeah.

Lazy? We can agree on that, like, especially compared to etching them onto a bullet. This has been, I think, immediately adopted by God. I mean, it seems like I haven't done a deep survey, but most of the liberals and leftists that I follow on both Twitter and Blue Sky and on just looking at friends on Facebook, have pretty immediately gone after this as a false flag or something.

Liberals and leftists are casting doubt on the authenticity of this. I'm seeing both people be like, well, the shooter must have been a right winger who lazily put anti-ice on the bullet or this is some sort of federal conspiracy, but a lot of conspiracism here. Yeah.

We simply don't know very much about the shooting at this. point. It's unclear who the shooter was aiming for if they were just aiming at ice property. Right. Like unknowingly shooting like migrant detainees inside. Did they think whoever was in that van was a cop? Yeah. Yeah. Most of this lines up with the person being the sort of person who ends up being a high profile shooter, right? Like they're not so much an ideologically motivated person as someone who like you say pretty pretty low effort wrote anti-ice on their bullets at the last minute, not on the bullet, but on the casing that holds the fucking

powder that the bullet goes in. Like, I understand how that works. And this just fits. And this is something I try to talk about pretty regularly. Shootings in the United States are heavily driven by memetic spread, right? This has been happening since Columbine. There have been more than 100 copycat shootings of Columbine. And you do have shooters who are, let's say, original, right, like the Christchurch shooter, where they have new ideas for things to do in mass shootings. And then in the wake of those, because whenever someone does something really new, it gets a lot of attention, right? Like if there's a mass shooting that, like, gets a lot more media coverage than other ones,

there will be people who copy it and who copy specific aspects of that shooting. And what I'm seeing with this guy that kind of just fits into that pattern is you had a really high profile North Texas shooting at a nice facility, then you had a really high-profile shooting where somebody with a hunting rifle shot at targets from the top of a roof, right? And I'm seeing both of those things in this shooting, and I guess it's just like, yeah,

that kind of scans to me, you know? Yeah, I guess another thing that has been fueling this conspiracy zone is so the guy used a Mouser rifle, different type of Mouser rifle to the last one. It looks to me like a car 98, Yeah, the previous one was a very old Mouser that had been rebarreled the 30 out six, which is a very common American round. This one looks to have been an original car 98K that was still an 8mm Mouser, which was the gun, the Nazi.

That was the standard battle rifle of the Vermacht during World War II. Yeah. It's not weird. He would have access to that. He probably didn't have to buy it or pass a background check to get it looking at. Garrison found his mother's Facebook. They'll talk some more about that. But one of the things that was on there is her talking about how she recently had to clean

out like a barn and a farm that her grandfather and dad had owned and get rid of a lot of their stuff. It kind of makes sense to me. One of them very likely was a veteran could have brought back a car 98K as hundreds of thousands of GIs did from the war. And it would have just gotten passed down under the family, right? Not weird. Yeah, no way at all. Like you say, there are probably hundreds of thousands of these in the United States. It was very common. And again, that's more or less probably what happened with the Charlie Kirk shooter, why they had a Mouser, right? Yeah.

Because it was their grandpa's rifle, probably had it re-rebarreled or whatever, you know. Yeah, not uncommon at all for someone in, especially somewhere like Texas, where, you know, those rifles, even if you didn't bring them back from World War I, like could have been obtained by private party transfer any time in the last 75 years.

So he'd been placed on probation for a 2016 marijuana offense, for which he pled guilty and received deferred adjudication. I guess in Texas, it's considered dealing marijuana, but it just seems to be that he was in possession of an amount greater than a quarter ounce, but less than five pounds. Maybe I'm not that familiar with Texas law in that regard, but that is a thing that we found out about him. I'll just add that, like, I don't know if that affects his ability to obtain a new firearm

by doing a 4473. It's unclear, but it wouldn't have mattered in Texas, because, again, you can just meet a guy in a parking lot and buy a gun. Exactly. Yeah, it's not relevant. As I did when I lived in Texas, almost every month. Would be great to say of Texas. Yeah. So, yeah, it's easy to get a gun in Texas.

How did he get the gun? He could have gotten it by accident. He could have traded groceries for it. Like, we just don't know, but there's no barriers to him owning this. Yeah. We still don't know very much about this guy outside of his, like, public arrest record. I have, like, a LinkedIn that hasn't been updated in a few years. years. Yeah. He voted in the 2020 Democratic primary. We know that from Texas voting records.

His mom's Facebook has a few political sentiments, but not expressed very commonly. She's posted a few times about Greg Abbott's pro-gun stances. Yeah. She was definitely like anti-N-R-A, anti-Abitt. Anti-N-R-A. upset about Abbott and Senator Corrin and Cruz not taking action for gun control. damn yeah this isn't the sort of gun that would ever be impacted by no proposed gun control legislation right like this is kind of central to the gun that people generally feel is reasonable to people to own yes assuming that it was something that he inherited from a grandfather a great grandfather even like gun control bills that are looking at stopping face-to-face sales wouldn't stop this because the dims always tend to include an exception for like yeah and here your dad's hunting rifle or something like that, right? Right, yeah. On an old Google Plus profile that's cached,

deep dive, his profile picture is like a Soviet communist character. But, again, that is no indication of a recent political alignment. We still don't have a detailed look at this guy's politics. But people have been quick to call this a false flag. When I think this appears, more like in the manifestation of this reality, brain-rottedness that we've talked about vis-a-vis the years of lead paint. Like brain-wrot

inspires like ill-thought or ill-thought or logical actions that maybe appear akin to a half-baked false flag. But this is like just a result of this weaponized on reality. Fiction inspires reality and then reality is seen through the lens of fiction. So people

project onto the state, this like 1950s CIA staging world events thing. Like everything's become so like Eddington-pilled. Yeah. I remember there was a really big example of this. Someone, I forget exactly what it was. Like, someone like graffitied, like Chuck Schumer's garage or something.

And everyone that I knew was convinced it was a false flag. Like it was all over Twitter, it was all over Blue Sky. Everyone thought it was a false flag. And it's just like all of that has just accelerated alongside this process that Garrison you're describing, where you have the unreality tunnel of all this is a false flag. Then you have the other unreality tunnels that are like generating these people. they're just sort of like flowing parallel to each other. Mashing into each other.

Yeah. No, like people are so quick just to point the Black's rule image to discount every single thing that might confuse you at first glance. Like if you cannot understand that someone who is suicidal would do a crazy thing like this inspired by recent events and scribble something onto a bullet, trying to shoot at ice equipment or ice agents, ice property, inadvertently killing actual ICE detainees,

if you have no way to understand that as a premise and the only way that you can see something like this happening is like a beat cop walking up to the crime scene, realizing he has to alter it to fit an agenda. Like, that is a way more disjointed and like broken reality to like force yourself to believe than just take the facts as they come and evaluate them slowly

without jumping to a very quick assumption that satisfies your like emotional reaction to a tragic event like this where multiple people have died. Yeah. With Trump in power again, I think it's entirely possible that oppositional political violence will take a form that resembles, quote unquote, left-wing attacks increasingly through the next few years. It's not 2018 anymore. And calling this guy a leftist right now doesn't make any sense. We don't have a clear look at his politics or if he really even had serious politics. But there are a lot of seemingly normal people who are depressed. demoralized, and are angry, and might not write a stupid Twitter-brained manifesto, and scribbling anti-ice gets a point across, whether that's sincere or some kind of ironic shitpost. If anti-ice sounds weird in comparison to fuck ice or abolish ice,

again, not everyone is part of like the leftist Twitter-brained terminology circle. It seems like he wasn't really thinking things through intently anyway, as is common with like quick copycat style attacks. And attacks like this are also sometimes just partially driven by suicide, wanting to like do something as a part of the suicidal act. And like who knows what this shooter was aiming for or what they thought they were aiming for. We do not have enough information yet. And it's worth noting NBC has interviewed his brother. It's kind of sounds like from the text of the NBC article like they broke the news to him. which is, oof, that's fucked up.

Not great. Yeah. But he said the last time he'd seen his brother was two weeks ago, he was not particularly political. He had never mentioned anything about ICE. As far as his brother knew, he had no hatred or particular feelings about ICE either way. He was registered as political independent. His brother said that his parents had a rifle and that he knew that his brother knew how to shoot it, but that he didn't think he knew how to make a shot like that.

I don't think he knew anything about the quality of shot, and it doesn't sound like he did anything but. shoot into a van and then kill himself. So he was recently unemployed and was looking to move to his parents' land in Oklahoma, but he was raised in Allen. The whole unemployed didn't sound like he felt like he had a lot of maybe opportunity going forward. His life was not going great. Like, I don't know. Like, I'm not having trouble seeing this all add up. No, I mean, the people who do some crazy shit like this often have a suicidal impulse running through an action like this. And sometimes it manifests through something akin to like, you know,

this is like a bad term, but like suicide by a cop, right? And like similar to what Robert said about like memetic and like copycat shootings, you can see some of what's on display here in the lineage of Luigi, Mangione, allegedly writing denied and depose on bullets, then the Charlie Kirk shooting with stuff written on bullets. Yeah. But this is something that's now like in our zeitgeist It doesn't require you to be like an online communist to do something like this, nor is it relegated to a cop trying to manufacture a fake narrative to cover up a murder of immigrants to frame it in this left-wing violence spike that the right is currently really running with.

Yeah. Look, folks, if you are convinced that this is a conspiracy, I really doubt much that we say is going to convince you otherwise. Yeah. It's kind of a, I don't want to go. on too bleak of a rant here, but like, I almost feel like there's not really a point in trying to stand up for basic reality anymore, because number one, people are increasingly going to dig into the reality tunnel that's most comforting to them. And that's going to be

the one where, like, they don't have to deal with the complexities of the world that, like, some people who on paper have espoused beliefs that are similar to you will also do fucked up shit, right? Like, that that's just America. That's living in a country with 400 million guns that's living in a country where mass shootings go viral and where people act based off the virality of shootings that they watch or see or hear about. Yeah. And honestly, like, there's a part of me that feels like caring about the reality of the situation is almost a vanity project that, like, it doesn't win you anything. It doesn't get you anywhere. It doesn't, it doesn't help you make the world better. Maybe just.

embracing a fault. Like, the right has gotten very far in embracing completely fraudulent realities. So why do I even care? I mean, this is something I've talked about with, like, the flattening of tactics with the right adopting state-sponsored cancel culture and the left getting more conspiratorial

in, like, replies to tweets and blue sky posts talking about how, you know, the bullet markings have to be a false flag. I'm seeing people share memes, like Pepe, like Sciop memes. But like, leftists and like liberals, sharing these memes that you used to just see under like unhinged right wing accounts to talk about how big world events are all staged or the feds are faking everything. And it's just this complete like swap more accurately a flattening of tactics. And yeah, like it it sucks to be in a position where I'm trying to be like slow and methodical and how I evaluate things and not just jump to posting funny reaction images about how everything is a sciop and how everything is a false flag. Elameo, obvious sciop, work done. Because that seems so much more emotionally compelling.

And instead, I'm just tired. Yeah, just tired all the time. Anyway, go on and believe whatever you want. Let's continue the episode. All right. Let's talk about Antifa when we come back. It comes from our mind control partners. I'm Jorge Ramos.

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Antifa. I hardly... No, that doesn't... Garrison, just continue. I don't have anything to say about death. All right. Listen, folks, we're going to be doing what James is going to be doing with our collective lawyer, Moira Meltzer-Cohen, an episode on what this actually means legally,

and we will be doing that with a lawyer who is competent to speak on that more than we are. Yeah. I guess kind of what we want to do briefly in this episode is try and pull people back from a ledge if you're feeling like you're on one right now because it's bad. The current situation is bad. The administration is absolutely going after people on the left. They absolutely will be increasingly applying terrorism enhancements to charges for anything that can be deemed as politically motivated by the left. But this declaration,

as people have pointed out, it's not like a thing the president declaring something a domestic terrorist group. Like it's not like none of this is anything that like has a legal force behind it, which doesn't mean, again, that they're not going to continue to go after people. But this is stuff that started under the Biden administration, applying RICO charges and whatnot. This is stuff that goes back to the 90s. Right, right. To the fucking, yeah, green scare. Yeah, with environmental organizations.

There is no real domestic terrorism designation. That's why they're trying to go after like funders and trying to find ties to like international groups to have that terrorism like label make more legal sense. But Trump did actually sign an executive order to quote unquote to designate Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization. quote, all relevant executive departments and agencies shall utilize all applicable authorities to investigate, disrupt, and dismantle any and all illegal operations, especially those involving terrorist actions conducted by Antifa or any person claiming to act on behalf of Antifa, or for which Antifa, or any person claiming to act on behalf of Antifa, provided material support, including necessary investigatory and prosecutorial actions against those who fund such operations. Unquote. I mean, like anything, in the United States, if you're going to be prosecuted for a federal crime, the U.S. attorney has to bring a case against you, and there has to be a crime that you have committed.

Right. Yeah. The executive branch does not make law. But they're sure trying. The legislative branch makes law. They're trying. They tried a lot last time as well. They did.

But I do want to remind everyone that right now we still have courts. And as we're seeing in Los Angeles and in other. places. Grand juries are not returning indictments when the AUSA brings a shoddy case or tries to prosecute some of something that isn't a crime. That right now is the case. I'm not saying it will be forever. I'm saying that that's where we're at and we can take a step back from the ledge if we know that. I hope for people who are understandably very afraid. Yes. And I'm not saying don't be afraid because these are scary times. I'm just saying like don't assume that there's no point to fighting back or there's no way to do so that you'll just like wind up in a

fucking camp because people are going to court right now and winning. Yeah. And and those those court cases have not been invalidated by the administration. They're not just taking people into custody anyway. Like people have repeatedly gotten off for charges of assaulting ICE officers because they were bullshit charges, right? Yeah. So that's all I'm trying to say right now. Yeah, you know, in terms of what these people are actually worried about, I think if you read the executive order, you can see what they're scared of, right?

You know, to do the mildly cringe and or, quote, authority is brittle, oppression is the mask of fear. You, J.D. Pritzker. God. Oh, no. The plane stole is stealing my shit. You and Prickster holding hands meme. Voting and or...

Apparently he's a big Star Wars guy. But if you look at, like, what's actually in there, right? Like, okay, I mean, some of it's like, obviously 2020 stuff. But then they're talking about, like, violent assaults on immigration and customs enforcement and other law enforcement officials and routine doxing and other threats against public figures and activists. Like, they are very worried about the fact that everywhere ICE appears a whole bunch of people. Most of whom are just, like, random people in sweatpants. I have seen so many pictures from every single city.

there's, like, large-scale ice deployments are. There's just, like, people in sweatpants who just, like, walk out of their houses and start taking pictures of ice agents. They are very much concerned about this, right? This is why they're trying to do this crackdown, because the resistance to this stuff is actually working well enough, you know, it's not not that they, like, haven't been able to do ice raids, but it has degraded their capacity to do it significantly. And that's why they're rolling this shit out so that they can, you know, as an attempt

to intimidate people and as attempt to, like, get people. to stop doing the stuff that they've been doing, which has been, like, effective enough to really shift the way ice has been forced to do these things. And, yeah. Yeah, like, if you go back to, like, one of the first incidents of people that are posing an ice raid, it was in South Park in San Diego, right?

Mm-hmm. These people are not, like, organized members of Antifa. Like, South Park is a pretty bushy place. It's like a vegan small plates restaurant and cocktail place. There are people who are pissed that their neighbors are getting. Abducted. Yeah, 100%. They're just people who were there and were like, no, fuck you, this seems wrong. Yeah. Yeah. And again, like we talked about this last week. Like, this is happening in Wheaton. Like, people in evangelical college towns are seeing, are seeing ice trucks roll up and like just walking over to them and yelling at them and filming them. And that sometimes is enough to make them just run away. And that's what this is, you know, they're terrified of the fact that they live in an entire country of people. people who don't like that you're dragging their neighbors away at gunpoint. And that's a sign to do more and not, you know, sort of give into fear every time there's

some executive order bullshit that happens. Yep. Talking about things where the regime has not been as successful as it wanted to, right? Let's talk about the case of the Guatemalan children. We spoke about this on ED, I think last week, potentially the week before, right? These were the kids who were grabbed from their beds over Labor and a weekend. And in that time, Judge Sparkle, Suknanan, issued an emergency protective order, but we've now seen a class action which would bring a more permanent protective order for

these children. Judge Timothy Kelly, I'm going to quote him here, he was talking about the government's case and he said it had, quote, crumbled like a house of cards. This is in part because a whistleblowers account contradicted the government's claim. And this claim was made by acting director of the Office of Refugee Resettlement, Angie Salazar, Salazar said under oath that the children have been screened to ensure they would not be subject to abuse or neglect. The whistleblowers claimed that at least 30 of these children had been deemed ineligible for return because they have indicators of being victimized by child abusers before. So returning them would obviously return them to that situation of abuse or potentially do so, right? The whistleblowers

further stated that this was in an ORR database. Office of Refugee Resettlement Database and such that the acting director would have access to that information, right? The printed a lot of other evidence to Judge Kelly, who granted protection to the children in the case, and to quote, all unaccompanied Guatemalan children

who have received neither a final removal order nor permission from the Attorney General to voluntarily depart the United States. So if you remember, the government had previously said that they were resettling these children and that the DHS had nothing to do with it, that it was an Office of Refugee Resettlement Operation, and that their families wanted them home,

and the families didn't want them home, right? They dropped that claim later. So this is a win, right? They couldn't take these little children away in the night and spirit them off to somewhere where they would be in danger. Let's move on to Executive Order No. 2 for this week's episode. This is one that you probably heard less about than the Antifa one, but this is the quote-unquote gold card executive order.

God. Yeah. So the gold card. Trump has been truthing about this, right? He trussed about it in June. Also in June, Howard Lutnik announced that there were already 70,000 people waiting for these gold cards. Applications could be made at Trumpcard.gov. Great.

And although the original stated price was $5 million, the executive order signed this week slashed the cost to just $1 million U.S. dollars. One million? One million American dollars. And as our currency continues to crush it, that will only get more affordable for folks elsewhere in the world. So that's great. It's good. This is Trump's promised plan to sell permanent residency, right?

When he first announced this, we kind of wondered, how's he going to do this, statutorily? How is he going to do it legally? When it turns out, his plan is to consider the donation as evidence that the person is, quote, of exceptional business ability. and that makes them eligible for an EB2 visa. Oh, my God. Yeah. So, like, you could have never engaged in business in your life, right? You could receive a small loan of $1 million from your parents.

Sure. And that would allow you to get one of these. Now, people will go through all the usual background checks, right? Which, according to the EO will be expedited, right? You can't be like Abu Bakrubarak that he's dead now, but, like, you couldn't be him with a million dollars, right? And do this, for example. I like the idea that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi would, like, try to move to the U.S., but would put his real name and his application for a visa.

He'll never see him coming. No one's going to check for this. But everyone's like, oh, damn, it's unfortunate, man. He shares that name with a bad guy. And there's, like, a 50% chance that it would have gotten approved, that just, like, no one would have, like, would have had his name on a list. Yeah. It's just, you know, well, look, guys.

The Caliph of ISIS is, like, fucking living in Brooklyn. Oh, yeah. He's going to all those founders. meetings, you know, with other CEOs to discuss managing a large organization. I'm excited for his TED doc. He's put his address as a tunnel in an HCS controlled area of Syria. No, okay. So Abu Baku al-Bagh, Al-Bagh, to be clear, is dead.

It was killed in the first Trump administration. Yes. A corporation donating for an individual would pay $2 million, right? So it's more expensive if a corpse is doing it on your behalf. and the cards will, supposedly, be gold and have Donald Trump's face on them, which is nice. At the same time, the Trump administration added a $100,000 bill to the H-1B visa application. So it's a visa application fee. The H-1B, if you're not familiar, is an immigration scheme for skilled non-immigrant labor.

I'm particularly interested in this because this was one of the moments that the Trump coalition began to fracture in the early days of the Trump administration. Like, we saw the kind of tech right, as exemplified by Elon Musk, going, like, no, H-1B is a good. They allow them to bring people to this country and pay them not very much and take advantage of their skilled labor is what they allow the tech industry to do, right? Sure. And then we saw the more straight-up white nationalist right being like, but those people

aren't white, we don't want them here. And it seems like it is that cadre of the, the Trump Coalition, that part of his, of his ideological sort of support base, which has won out in this instance, right? Because companies cannot save money paying someone 20 grand less if they have to pay 100 Gs to get them into the country, right? Like, individuals could make that donation, I guess, and get the visa that way. Like, if they came from wealthy family and in another country, I just desperately wanted to work in the US. But generally H-1Bs are used because employees, they can't leave, right? Your visa is tied to your employer. So the employment can be

much less favorable, especially in the tech industry where people are always shopping and changing jobs to try and get a better wage, better benefits, etc. They can't do that. And so that will be coming to an end. Finally, I want to talk about immigration judges. And the Trump administration has fired even more of them, according to NPR. When Trump came into office, there are about 735 of these judges. There are now fewer than 580. What? Oh, my God. Yeah. It's quite a remarkable cut, right? Not all of them were fired. Some of them took advantage of the quote-unquote fork in the road offer, if we remember, like, early Trump 2.0 doge stuff. Immigration judges, just so people understand, like, people are like, what they fired a judge, how can they do that?

Immigration judges are not part of the independent judiciary. They are a better way of seeing them would be a civil servants. Nonetheless, they have, in many cases, I guess, worked to bring the trappings and the procedures of due process to the immigration world, right? Like, in many cases, they have, you know, they're not just rubber-stamping deportation orders, right? People do have a chance to make their case in front of immigration judges. And even in Trump 2.0, people are still getting asylum in the United States.

the courts right now are extremely backed up, right? People are getting hearing dates in 2028, as we heard earlier this week. Some courts, I read that one court is now running at 25% of its capacity. Like, it's supposed to have 21 judges and it has five. Yep. So this means that people will be in detention for longer. I mean, that's like kind of intentional, right? Yeah, well, one could make that case very, yeah.

the DOJ has reduced requirements for staffing these positions and the Trump administration has authorized about 600 jags to military lawyers to take on the role. I don't think they're going to get the rubber stamp on deportations from those people that they expect to get. It depends on it if they sort of handpick those jags or they just got a bunch of people from the National Guard, but I don't think that that's going to be to just like straight up deportation factory that some people might assume it to be.

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That was nice, wasn't it? Yeah, that was good. That was good. like old times bring it back just like old times several months ago garrison has it's their alarm clock do you garrison no okay okay good why did you put that would be that would be too much that would be too much i i would i would need we would need to intervene listen if you're listening and you do stop all right mea how our tariffs be due so we have some tariff news one is that we have a supreme court date for the case over whether a whole whole whole

to the tariffs are going to be allowed to continue or not. That is going to be on November 5th. We also have something at no movement, which I think is pretty interesting. So when last we spoke of tariffs, we mentioned that there were two countries that had gotten political tariffs on them. Brazil for arresting Bolsonaro and prosecuting him and India for buying oil from Russia. And there was a lot of speculation that these would be fairly quickly resolved. They have not been. They are both still into effect. This is having massive consequences on a whole bunch of stuff. And the place that I want to focus on with this is U.S. agriculture, because we have been seeing some extremely alarming things out of the American agricultural sector that has

really not broken out of, like, Midwest agriculture circles very much. So one of the major consequences of, in some sense, also to the tariffs on Brazil, but one of the major consequences of the U.S. tariffs on China is that like China did in 2018, China has simply refused to buy any American soybeans. The U.S. grows for export

52 million tons of soy every year, and more than half of that is sold to China. And again, if you're conspiratorial in belief that, like, you know, the soy is ruining people, you should support this. well no no no no you should you should you should be opposed to this because you should be wanting to export soy to china so that you can make you can make the chinese woken soy yeah that's what i was saying yes oh yeah

yeah yeah you should support the export of soy to china we're getting it out of the u.s and to our greatest geopolitical enemies the other people who support the export of soy to china are american farmers so uh god i guess this is like this is like the farming thing that i say on this show i did technically there was technically a farm behind my house growing up. This is something that's very common in Midwestern agriculture. Is a soybean corn rotation? Doing a soybean corn rotation is good for the soil,

so it's very, very common in American agriculture. Sure. You can fix nitrogen in soil with legumes. Yeah. But in order to do this, you have to be able to sell the soybeans. And when this happened in 2018, this was kind of behind the scene. So there was a whole big trade standoff in 2018. and one of the things that played a big role in ending it

was the fact that China just didn't buy soybeans from the U.S. for a year and it really, really, really messed with the American agricultural market. I'm going to read an account from the progressive farmer. This is a quote from the guy. For most soybean farmers in North Dakota, you're looking at about $100 to $150 loss per acre on every acre of soybeans planted, Brackle said. On his own farm, he expects losses going to,

top $400,000 this year. Grackle said the losses are not just tied to individual farmers. It's the small businesses, local grocery stores, hardware stores, or local schools, or financial institutions. They're all feeling the hurt from this. Yeah. So what is happening right now is that there is a bunch of soybeans that are

being, that are just sitting there. Yeah. You know, like no one wants to buy them. And I've seen a few things talking about like, okay, there's processing plants opening up. We can turn them into like soybean oil and use, like, in the U.S. and do that. But, like, this is becoming a really serious logistical problem because the thing about corn and soybeans

is that it's not like you store them in different things, right? Because if you're a farmer, you're growing both of them. Yeah. The sort of storage hubs that they use are the same ones. And the problem is that there are basically stockpiles building up of these soybeans that can't be sold. And this is becoming an increasing problem because there's the corn harvest,

and you have to put the corn somewhere. it's a good example of the kind of little miniature logistical nightmares that are cropping up all up and down the supply chain as as these tariffs sort of continue to roll in and as the instability of them continues to roll in, that you and I aren't seeing yet, or we haven't seen much of the effect of sort of in some small price increases, but down the supply chain, there are increasing parts of the population who are just dealing with these just horrific logistical nightmares. this is going to be, we're going to see the acceleration of this with the de minimis exemption being eliminated and in the meantime China is just basically going to the country that the US left 50% tariffs on they're going to Brazil and attempting to basically supply their entire soybean demand

largely from Brazil which is like the other major soybean exporter. So this is also very important politically because the American farming sector is very, very powerful. there have been some bailouts already, but they're not going to be able to sustain the American farming sector, especially if this goes on for more than one year. There was only one year in 2018

when they didn't buy it, and it was a fiasco. If this goes on for an extended period of time, it is going to cause significantly larger problems. Also, the economy was doing a lot better in 2018 than it is right now. I mean, it was still kind of my best, but yeah, so this is going to turn into an increasing sort of political thorn

for Trump among a bunch of people who are supposed to be his base, because people are very, very frustrated about this and it is getting very little press attention. This has been the American farming tariff update, question mark. No, I mean, why would we want to hear about farming tariff news when instead

we can just keep the culture war machine going to have everyone just gobsmacked over that instead? That's the whole point of their political machine. It's not that everything is a distraction from something else. It's that If you keep everyone engaged with this, with like culture war nonsense, left-wing terrorism, Charlie Kirk, whatever, like all of this stuff, no one's going to care about farming terror of news. Even if you're a big liberal outlet, right?

You put this out there and like half your fucking audience is going to be like, lo, la Mao, they voted for Trump, sucks for them, like. Yeah. Yeah. And the question effectively is, are the people who previously had been kept in line by woke bathroom, anti-DEI, like trans women in sports stuff, going to be able to be kept in line when the soybeans are rotting in the field. We will see.

We shall see. Yeah. Speaking of some Charlie Kirk Culture Award, the Department of Education has partnered with the America First Policy Institute and Turning Point USA for a new civics program. This is called the America 250 civics education coalition. They'll work with over 40 national and state organizations to, quote, spearhead nationwide initiatives to engage students, educators, and communities and conversations about liberty, citizenship, and America's enduring values, unquote.

Other organizations, a part of this coalition include Prager You, Moms for Liberty, Alliance Defending Freedom, Heritage Foundation, and three explicitly Christian lobbying groups. Now, all of these groups are basically Christian lobbying groups, but three with like Christian or religious names in the title of the organizations. Now partnering directly with the state for this educational coalition. Let's play a video from the new website

explaining the initiative. American education was once a shining light, guiding generations, built on faith, heritage, patriotism. But over the past 60 to 70 years, that brilliance has been dimmed a great institution has been crumbled from within playing footage at the civil rights era false revisionist history and division

from fundamentally transforming the united states of a living oh that's triggering phrase for me critical race theory gender queer drag queens now on the 250th anniversary of barnation the department of education the america 250 civics education Coalition and partners across America are re-igniting that light. Restored understanding and returning education to the states where it belongs. For this was bunch of white kids. And under the leadership of President Trump and Secretary McMahon.

Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Are you fucking kidding me? me. AI generated lighthouse. Oh my God.

And nothing will stand in our way because we are Americans, the future is ours. Oh my God. It's one of the craziest things I've ever seen. Yeah. Oh my God.

So the framing of the video is that this lighthouse has gone out and Linda McMahon emerges, polishes and fixes the lighthouse, which now shines across the nation. Igniting our

patriotic education. We couldn't find a lighthouse in America, so they AI'd one. With audio from WW. Insane. Insentary McMan, it's like the most hyper-reality, American brain-wroth. What do you even say to that? This is like the years of lead paint thing that we're talking about. Like, talking about how American education's been like totally destroyed and they're playing

footage of like civil rights era, like protests and like leaders. You can't parody this. No, no. And it's all set to the to the soundtrack and edited. in the manner of like a big budget Hollywood summer blockbuster from 15 years ago which I guess you know fucking conservative Christians are always about 15 years behind

yeah and their culture shit like so that scans but yeah like it this is like it sounds like a fucking who's the guy who did Independence Day god damn it you know what I'm saying I don't know shit about popular culture but yeah we should just know that 70 years ago education was segregated in this country by race which which is, yeah, yes. I just want to, I just want to just sort of drop that nugget.

I've listened in person to Charlie Kirk argue that we should repeal the Civil Rights Act. Like, that's what these people want. Yeah. Yeah. I just want to join the dots for folks who have. And history is inherently revisionist. That's what we do. We don't just like go. We've done it all now. We've worked it all out. No need for any more historians. That's not how history works. The chief education officer of Turning Point Education, this is his real name, Dr. Hutz H. Hertzberg, Triple H. said that, quote, That was also WWE character. Is it the same guy? No, this is a Christian educator. Oh, okay.

He says, quote, Turning Point USA is more resolved than ever to advance God-centered, virtuous education for students flourishing across our nation. With that in mind, we are honored to partner with the distinguished organizations that comprise the America 250 Civics Education Coalition

to restore, revive, and reclaim robust American. in civics education for all students throughout our country, unquote. Earlier today is Wednesday, the state of Oklahoma has announced that they will be establishing TPUSA chapters in every high school across the state. Oh, great. Here's the superintendent, Ryan Waters, of Oklahoma. I'm excited to announce today that every Oklahoma high school will have a turning point

USA chapter. We have seen the outpouring from parents, teachers, and students that want to be engaged in a meaningful work going on at Turning Point. They want their young people to be engaged in a process that understands free speech, open engagement, dialogue about American greatness, a dialogue around American values. We're so excited to partner with Turning Point USA with this initiative. For far too long, we have seen radical leftists. with the teachers union, dominate classrooms, and push woke indoctrination on our kids. They fight parents' rights,

they push parents out of the classroom, and they lie to our kids about American history. What we're gonna continue to do is make sure that our kids understand American greatness, engage in civic dialogue, and have that open discussion. We will continue to do all that we can to make sure Oklahoma students have the best education possible.

Part of this announcement, he's written on Twitter, quote, radical leftist teachers unions have dominated classrooms for far too long, and we are taking them back. I think, Robert, we talked with this guy last year at the RNC. Yep, yeah, we sure did.

We might do something with that interview at some point. I wish he'd got, he'd been out of a job by now, but life, uh, life, huh? The last thing I want to discuss today is, quote unquote, transgender terrorism. something I've seen many friends and posters across the internet

be really, really concerned about for, you know, a lot of good reasons. Ken Klippinstein has released a few articles the past few days. The first one from last week, quote, the FBI readies a new war on trans people. The FBI is preparing to label transgender people as violent extremists in the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder. That is how Ken framed that on the headline and for his tweet, alongside the article. Other outlets like them. Us has spread this reporting even further,

quote, FBI to categorize trans people as nihilistic violent extremist threat group. Report says the Federal Bureau of Investigation is reportedly preparing to categorize transgender people as violent extremists. This framing is incorrect. And I will explain why in great detail shortly. The Federal Bureau of Investigation is not getting ready to categorize transgender people as like a category, as like a class of people as violent extremists. There is no evidence that this is currently what they're doing. There's no internal communications arguing this. Even the Heritage Foundation's proposal to create a new category of transterrorism is not arguing this, as I will quote from here shortly. Let's get into what the first article

from Clippinstein actually wrote based on a source inside the government. Quote, the senior official explains that there is no process per se for dealing with trans people as a quote-unquote threat group, but feels that trans individuals will be increasingly targeted under the banner of violent extremism. Under the plan being discussed, the FBI would treat transgender subjects as a subset of the Bureau's new threat category, nihilistic violent extremists, unquote. We've talked about nihilistic violent extremists on this show before, back in spring, and we all know that the Trump administration has been targeting trans people. Like, this is something that everyone who listens to this show

is aware of, this is a real thing. But there is not actually any new verifiable information in this report. There's rhetoric from people like Donald Trump Jr. and right-wing influencers talking about transgender terrorists and this trend of

transgender terrorists, as they have been for the past two years. Me and Mia did that piece about fake trans terrorists like almost two years ago. That was two years ago now? We've been tracking this rhetoric for a long time. So stuff like that fills up a lot of the space in articles like this, but new

verifiable information is actually quite short. In this article, Ken has a single unnamed official who, quote unquote, feels like trans people could be labeled nihilistic violent extremists. Now, in Ken's previous reporting about this label, he misunderstood the NVE

label. This label exists just essentially for 764, the childist exploitation group that operates on the Discord and Telegram and branch off groups from that. We've talked with them on the show, we've here before as well. And the nihilist of violent extremism term predates the Trump administration. This isn't a Cash Patel thing.

This predates the Trump admin. This was active last year. And it primarily is to categorize and map these child's exploitation rings and some overlapping communities like the school shooter fandom. But in Ken's article here, there's no, like, leaked documents in this report showing, like, current memos or communications on this topic. Ken's great for leaks. but there's not leaked documents in this report.

Now, as we all know, and we've reported, the right-wing hate campaign against trans people is a real thing. It's real coming from the Trump administration, from state-level government, as well as the entire conservative media apparatus. But I think right now especially, it's really important to read reports like this very carefully.

Transfeer-mongering, massively boosts social media engagement, which then can encourage people to use framing like this that might actually kind of be irresponsible. Now, a few hours before Pilbstein published this first article, the Heritage Foundation and their oversight project

released a petition to have the FBI designate a new category of violent extremism, which they call trans-ideology-inspired violent extremism, or TIV. Quote, TIV is based on the belief that violence is justified against those who do not share radical views of transgender ideology. It has led to an increasing trend of TIV domestic terrorist events across the country. In recent years, TIV has played a role in the majority of mass

shootings at schools. That is the Heritage Foundation's claim. The petition includes a list of quote unquote TIV motivated attacks, including multiple attackers who either were not trans or were clearly not motivated by trans ideology as reporting at the time. government documents have shown, including acts from the past, like, six or seven years. But heritage writes that, quote, experts estimate, no citation, that 50% of non-gang related school shootings since 2015 have, quote, involved or likely involve trans ideology, unquote. 50% have involved or likely involved. Yet in this list, they can only list three school shootings. They can only list three, even in their own list, which they say 50%, likely involve trans ideology.

There's been more than three school shootings this year. There's been more three school shootings not involving trans people this year. This is a wildly atrocious stat. Yeah, it's just fabricated, right? And again, like, reality doesn't matter. Like, that's the point. No, this is the Heritage Foundation. Like, come on.

Yeah, yeah. But importantly, like, a violent extremism designation would not mean that all trans people as a class are deemed violent extremists. What it would do is it would create a category to use for investigations into violent acts, graph patterns of violence, argue in court documents, and possibly include some preemptive surveillance on people or groups that are deemed as threats as a part of this threat group. But in the petition, Perich says that, no, not all transgender individuals. or their allies are domestic terrorists. Quote, they are even free to engage in offensive and hateful speech under the First Amendment so long as they do not stray into unlawful incitement, defamation, true threat, obscenity, or some other category of non-protected speech.

The domestic terror destination becomes relevant only when individuals or groups, one, are motivated by an ideology that encourages, promotes, or condones violence, and two, take or incite unlawful violent action or threats based on that ideology, both criteria must be met, unquote. That's from the heritage's own petition. There's nothing in Heritage's own petition or Ken's article that says that trans people entirely are going to be deemed

terrorists or a domestic, like, extremist threat group. That's not what either heritage or what the actual details of articles like Ken's is saying. And to further kind of show this divide, the heritage petition also addresses the nihilist violent extremism label as a completely separate thing, unrelated trans people that they do not want combined into one single category. I don't know why Ken keeps pushing on this label so much. It's really important to understand how trans people are actually under threat right now. Because they are, right? The biggest threats to trans people right now are access to health care, specifically for people who are under the age of 18 and things like bathroom bands and trying to restrict transgender people from public life. But the other biggest threat to trans people right, now is like ourselves. And we don't need to do the government's work for them to keep us so demoralized, spreading misinformation or unverified reports like this that just makes everyone panicked and freak out actually harms us and our community. The trans panic industrial complex

is dangerous. And people need to be very careful about this because it's an extremely dangerous time and having an accurate assessment over what's going on is going to be crucial to survive the next few months to years. No. And again, we've seen this on the right, and this has played a role in radicalizing a lot of people on the right, and getting them to do bucked-up shit is years of like, they're coming for you, they're coming for you.

They're going to be coming for you tonight, right? Like, you're already dead, you know? There's money in pushing, and there's clout in pushing hopelessness. Yeah. And I don't want to be telling people, everything's good because it's not. Things are very dangerous for trans people right now in a way they have not been at any point previously in very recent history. Things are much worse, right? Nobody's denying that.

But you have to look at like the facts of how they're worse as opposed to not reading an article or analyzing what the article actually says or analyzing what the Heritage Foundation says and saying, they're declaring all of us terrorists, right? Because that's not going to end well. No. Don't panic, organize. That's the actual solution to this. I also want to briefly note on, I've seen a lot of comparisons of this

to the black identity extremism designation, and I want to bring this back to something that Garrison mentioned earlier about the way that the nihist extremism category was specifically designed to target like a specific sort of complex network of...

Yeah. Pedophile Discord servers. Yeah. This is the same methodology that was used for black identity extremism. Black identity extremism wasn't a category they conjured out of nowhere to go after all black people. It was a category that was specifically designed to go after specific activists in the wake of Occupy and the wake of Ferguson. Yeah. And this is completely just not the process that is happening for this, right? Like, we're not dealing with, okay, there is a specific group of trans

activists that the government wants to target, so they're creating a label for it, right? We don't have any evidence of that at all. What we have is anonymous sources saying they feel like something might happen. That trans people could be targeted, and you're like, yeah, trans people have been targeted.

Like, that's what's happening. Yeah. Are they going to be labeled denialists of violent extremists at this point unlikely? Could the FBI consider adopt something like the heritage proposal for for tiv. Yeah, possibly. Yeah, that is, that is absolutely a possibility. Would that come into reality the same way that people are talking about it online or the way that headlines are framing it? No, it's not about designating all trans people as terrorists as a

class. It's not about that. And it also wouldn't function like the black identity extremist thing, because again, that was a, like, they already had people they were going after and they wanted a legal category that they could deploy in order to go after them. That's not what's happening here. They don't have like a list of like trans discord servers that they're about to round up for like doing a protest.

Like that's not what's happening here. No, but they could go after people who make threats online. And that's something that I'm sure Cashpetal's FBI would love to do. And if they can sort those people into a category like Tiv to argue in a prosecution or to make like a flow chart

to direct investigations, then that's the realm they're going to use. Yeah, but even that we are so far away from them even, like, starting that process that you should be concerned

about the actual threats from, like, I don't know, I mean, just like literally, there's been a series of attacks on trans people just like in neighborhoods in Seattle by just like gangs of dudes, right? That's like an actual substantive

thing that is happening that is not this, that is not a sort of nebulous, like we are relying on opinions of unnamed officials. We can look at and evaluate and figure out what we're going to do about it instead of just giving it to the panic industrial complex and panicking about it.

Things that are framed bombastically like this go super viral and they spread a lot and that's what the algorithms are encouraging. I mean, same thing with the algorithmic boosting of false flag conspiracy theories because those are so much more satisfying. They spread like wildfire across blue sky and Twitter

and even things like Instagram stories and just be very careful about anything that goes viral because that claim is trying to influence your brain. It's trying to worm its way into your brain to take the form as a thought that you had yourself and be super careful because this type of weaponized unreality has been used so successfully the past 10 years against the right. This is how the whole like, you know, migrant panic wave started. Lies about immigration, this like panicked framing, these things spread like wildfire online. And now you have large swathes of the country believing in this genuine like, like, you know, migrate crisis. And this is how social media

functions to influence how your brain thinks and how your brain processes is fact from fiction and forms like a collective sense of reality. And you are also being targeted by this same process in different ways than the right is, but this process is still targeting you as well. And it's like super important to like read things critically and take time before jumping to conclusions because I don't think we need more quick, emotionally satisfying conspiracy theories in our life. Yeah. Anyway. That's the news this week.

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I'm Jorge Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians, artists, and activists to bring you death and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. The moment is a space for the conversations we've been having us father and daughter for years. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The murder of an 18-year-old girl in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved for years. until a local housewife, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story. America, y'all better work the hell up.

Bad things happens to good people in small towns. Listen to Graves County on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad-free, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. There's a vile sickness in Abbas town. You must excise it. Dig into the deep earth and cut it out. From IHeart Podcasts and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Manky, this is Havoc Town.

A new fiction podcast sets in the Bridgewater Audio Universe. Starring Jewel State and Ray Wise. Listen to Havoc Town on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. In early 1988, federal agents race to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia. Had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you name it. Five, six white people pushed me in the car.

Basically, your stay-at-home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin. All you got to do is receive the package. Don't have to open it, just accept it. She was very upset, crying. Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand, and I saw the flash of light. Listen to the Chinatown Stang on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast.