It Could Happen Here - Executive Disorder: White House Weekly #37

Episode Date: October 10, 2025

The gang discuss out of state National Guard deployment to Oregon and Illinois, ICE shooting a woman in Chicago, and updates on immigration and tariffs. Sources: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ord.189270/gov.uscourts.ord.189270.56.0_1.pdf https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1974086514796896515 https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1974200050206322960  https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1974112113326239852  https://katu.com/news/local/court-docs-woman-charged-in-ice-protest-chased-nick-sortor-while-wearing-bird-outfit https://www.opb.org/article/2025/10/03/trump-portland-oregon-ice-immigration-police-protest/ https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1974861544812105853 https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/10/05/california-secures-court-victory-trump-cannot-deploy-california-national-guard-into-oregon/  https://rollcall.com/factbase/trump/transcript/donald-trump-press-briefing-stephen-miller-the-white-house-october-6-2025/  https://x.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/1975643776161841649 https://gov-pritzker-newsroom.prezly.com/gov-pritzker-statement-on-the-texas-national-guard-being-deployed-to-illinois  https://illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/news/story/attorney-general-raoul-files-lawsuit-against-trump-administration-to-stop-unlawful-deployment-of-national-guard See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Let's start, because there's a lot of news this week by talking about, frankly, the most important news story in the whole nation right now. On Thursday, October 2nd, right-wing influencer Nick Soder, along with two other people. I know. I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't.

It's stupid. It's really stupid. Along with two of the people were arrested by the Portland Police Bureau in connection with a fight outside of the ice building during a protest. Sorter was provoking reactions from protesters when he was then chased down the street by a woman in a bird costume. A bird costume. Quote, swinging a large stick covered with feathers. Big sort resulted by Big Bird. According to court documents, the three people were arrested at all charge with disorderly conduct, though Sorter's charges

have since been dropped. Sorter's arrest ignited a right-wing firestorm. The Likes of which I have not seen since Charlie Kirk was assassinated. I'm glad people are finally waking up to the Antifa Police Department that rules Portland with an iron fist. It's for a long time. Tim Poole posted on X-The-Everything app, I'm calling on the Trump administration to launch a legal challenge against Oregon following the arrest of Nick Sorder.

And if necessary, deploy National Guard. Oregon's failed to uphold federal and state law, and we should not tolerate it. oh and like yeah there was like a fight and they detained people and then the DA didn't press charges against Sorter and it's it's just it couldn't be more of a nothing burger as an actual story nothing nothing burger yeah but oh boy but not according to the AG's office who quickly responded on it to Tim Poole's request and by Friday morning the White House the attorney general and the Justice Department announced a quote-unquote full investigation into the arrest and the conduct of

the Portland Police Bureau. Finally. Conservative influencer Benny Johnson, who's been embedded with ICE this past week, posted on X The Everything app, quote, important news. I spoke with DHS Secretary Christy Noem. She's been briefed on the attack and arrest of journalist Nick Sorder. Secretary Nome tells me DHS will surge ICE resources in Portland, quote, Antifa is a terrorist group and will not control our streets, unquote. Thank you, Secretary Nome. Benny Johnson later showed a video captioned, breaking. DHS Secretary Christine Nome has announced the Department of War

will deploy to Portland and Chicago within 24 hours to crush left-wing violence, unquote. And here is the video with Christy Nome talking about the quote-unquote Antifa-affiliated anti-ice protests. Well, you've got a presence in Portland that is Antifa-affiliated. And so that is a situation where you have known professionals targeted violence that want to tear down America and will apparently attack anyone, even journalists, they're just trying to report the truth of what's happening on the street. So we're not just going to be rolling out of Chicago here, but we're sending in the Department of War at the request that I made to Secretary Hegset.

They're going to be rolling in here within the next 24 hours. They'll be coming to Chicago, too. I put a request in today for them to come to Chicago. And we're going to not only have our officers that are out there with HSI and ICE, but we're also going to have backup from our military because everybody deserves that. And so what we saw happen to that journalist last night will not happen again. Okay. Yeah.

Benny Johnson's showing a very professional journalist in there by just saying, wow, a lot. It's a pretty wild scene having, like, troops walk behind Fristie Nome as this podcast. or grills are on sending the military to cities. Yeah. In front of a bear cat. The reactions from the right after Nick Sorter's arrest were pretty wild, with journalists going on Fox News claiming that the Portland police are affiliated with

Antifa and popular right-wing influencers on X like a muse saying, quote, the Portland police are now colluding with Antifa to prosecute federal officers protecting the ICE facility. When has that happened? Each time federal officers engage with Antifa, Portland Police Liaisons collect statements and videos from Antifa to facilitate state criminal charges against DHS. So somehow, in the Year of Our Lord 2025,

the Portland Police Bureau is now Antifa, which is a truly miraculous state of affairs. After his release Friday morning, Nick Sorder, posted on X, quote, You've proved what we've all been saying, years. You're corrupt and controlled by violent Antifa thugs who terrorize the streets, referring to the Portland police. I have been in direct contact with top officials at DHS. What's coming in Portland is unprecedented. All thanks to Portland police exposing themselves

by arresting journalists. Great work, Portland, unquote. A day later on October 4th, a Trump appointed federal judge granted the state of Oregon and the city of Portland a temporary restraining order blocking Trump and Hague says federalization and deployment of 200 Oregon National Guard against the wishes of Oregon Governor Tina Kotech. The judge found that existing local and federal law enforcement were sufficient to police protests, that the Trump admin had mischaracterized the reality of the current protests outside of the ICE facility, and that violence against ICE in other parts of the country is not sufficient justification for a local military deployment.

It's worth noting this judge, Judge Immigate, number one, not a woke judge, was literally if you go back and you watch the Monica Lewinsky hearings, or the, I mean, this is the Clinton sex scandal hearings, but this is the part of it in which Lewinsky was being grilled. Immigate was the female lawyer that they brought out to be incredibly cruel to Monica Lewinsky because it wouldn't look as off-pudding. And it wound up, part of why Monica Lewitsky became so she, immigrant looked fucking nuts. An immigrant is the person who is looking at it, who is going through all of the claims made by the administration and going, there's literally, not only is there no justification for the deployment of troops in Portland, but everyone calling the shots at FPS and ICE is like everything's under control. We have no need for additional people.

Yeah. There's no real danger here. Like, this is not a leftist judge. This is not a judge with a political axe to grind. This is a judge that 30 years ago, you would have. called a far-right extremist. I will quote a little bit from her ruling here. To accept the defendant's arguments, that's the federal government, would be to render

meaningless the extraordinary requirements of 10 U.S.C. 12406 by allowing the president to federalize one state's national guard based on the events in a different state or mere speculation about future events. In other words, violence elsewhere cannot support troop deployments here and concern about hypothetical future conduct does not demonstrate a present inability to execute the laws using non-military federal law enforcement, unquote. On the Trump admin's argument that the president's authorized to federalize state National Guard in the case of rebellion or invasion, the judge concluded that the legal definition of rebellion requires, quote, first, a rebellion must not only be violent, but also armed.

Second, a rebellion must be organized. Third, a rebellion must be open and avowed. Fourth, rebellion must be against the government as a whole, often with the aim of overthrowing the government, rather than in opposition to a single law or issue. Here, the protests in Portland were not a rebellion and did not pose a danger of rebellion, especially in the days leading up to the federalization, unquote. The judge found that the president's federalization of the Organational Guard without proper statutory authority under 10 U.S.C. 12406,

exceeded the president's constitutional authority, undermined Oregon's sovereignty, and violated the 10th Amendment by infringing on Oregon's constitutional power to control its own National Guard, writing that the Trump admin, quote, interfered with the constitutional balance of power between the federal and state governments, unquote. Yeah, is that the one where she said their argument was untethered from the facts? Yeah, yeah, I think that was a pretty good summary of what's going on here. Later that day, Stephen Miller went on News Nation to talk about the quote-unquote insurrectionists, interesting word, in Portland, and the new National Security

Presidential Memorandum to investigate and dismantle so-called left-wing terrorist networks. We're the federal government. We are not going to tolerate a lawless insurrection. We are not going to tolerate domestic terrorism. And we are going after the Antifa rioters, the insurrectionists, the violent assalters. And we are not only going after them. We are going after their network. We are going after their funders. Every time we make an arrest, we are initiating an investigation into the entire domestic terrorist network. The president issued a national security presidential memorandum, making clear that it is the national security priority of the United States law enforcement to dismantle, disrupt, defeat, and destroy these

domestic terror networks. And that is exactly what is taking place. It is what we are doing. It is what will happen. His use of the word insurrection there is important. Yeah. A day later, President Trump also used the term insurrectionists to describe protests in Portland and complained about the federal judge who blocked the deployment of National Guard, saying, quote, Portland is burning to the ground. You have agitators, insurrectionists. All you got to do is look at the television. It's burning to the ground. The governor, the mayor, the politicians are petrified for their lives. That judge ought to be ashamed. Again, nothing's been burnt down. Nothing was burnt down in 2020. Most of the big nights at ice lately have been maybe 200 people. You know, you've had some more on a few

occasions, but like, it's usually a lot less. It's probably just unnecessary for me to correct all this, but I guess I can't fight the urge to be like, none of this is accurate to what's happening. Yeah. Yeah. The simulation is more important than the reality. Yeah. Miller's done this before, right? He kind of likes to use these words that exist in legislation and sort of point to the direction he wants things to go, I guess. Yeah. Like he did this by calling anti for an enterprise. We saw this to an extent with Title 42 and his reference to migrants of the public health threat. This is kind of a trademark move for him almost. Now, hours after the federal judge blocked the federalization of Oregon National Guard,

Secretary of War, Pete Hegseth, ordered 300 California National Guard to be deployed to Portland. And the next day, Texas Governor Greg Abbott authorized 400 Texas National Guard to be sent to Oregon and Illinois in coordination with the Department of War. On Sunday night, the federal judge that previously blocked the Oregon National Guard federalization made another ruling blocking the deployment of troops from California and Texas, finding that it was, quote, in direct contravention of her earlier T.R. This secondary TRO halted any federalization, relocation, or deployment of any guard members to Oregon from any state. The Trump administration has appealed these rulings, and oral arguments will be heard on Thursday, October 9th, in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Stephen Miller called this ruling, quote, one of the most egregious and thunderous violations of constitutional order we have ever seen, and is yet the latest example of unceasing efforts to nullify the 2024 election by Fiat, unquote.

By Monday, Miller told reporters, without going to specifics, that the president, quote, has a very broad range and set of authorities when it comes to deploying federal assets, unquote. And that same day, Monday, Trump discussed the possibility of invoking the Insurrection Act in a White House press conference. And it's both the Insurrection Act, sir. The Insurrection Act, under what conditions or terms would you? Well, I'd do it if it was necessary. So far it hasn't been necessary. But we have an insurrection act for a reason.

If I had to enact it, I'd do that. If people were being killed and courts were holding us up or governors or mares were holding us up, sure, I'd do that. I mean, I want to make sure that people aren't killed. We have to make sure that our cities are safe. And it's turning out. And we started with D.C. It's been so successful.

You look at what's happened with Portland over the years. It's a burning hellhole. And then you have a judge that lost away that tries to pretend that, like, there's no problem. Actually, she's not even saying that. There's a huge problem in Portland. I'll tell you what the problem is, crime. Okay, crime. It's a huge problem in Chicago.

It's called crime. And we want to put out the crime And they want to inflame the crime Oh boy Sure That's the clear statement We've gotten from the president On the conditions

In which he would infoke The Insurrection Act I think specifically pointing towards Governors, Mayors or Courts that prevent ICE from completing immigration actions in those cities and counties Yeah and that's the thing

that we've gotten from That's the most specific indication of things that are happening right now that could cause him to do it. We still don't have a direct, I'm going to do it. But I think it's pretty clear from this that he wants to. And these people in these circles

I've been talking about wanting to do it for a long time. And I think this is, in some ways, the closest we've gotten to it. Yeah, and that's why you have people like Miller and Trump himself using the word insurrection when describing what's happening

to establish a pretext to actually follow through on that and declare the insurrection Act when it suits them. Yeah, I think it's worth noting Miller's doing it. Miller is often the originator of many of these kind of legal theories. This one has made its way to Trump. I'm going to declare an ad break, and then we will return to finish our reporting on war-ravaged Portland. All I know is what I've been told.

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Okay, we are back. DHS Secretary Christy Noam has made some pretty fantastic claims about the nature of these protests and the threats. ICE agents, both in Chicago and Portland. And I'm just going to play her clip from Fox News here talking about the threats to ice. Our intelligence indicates that these people are organized. They're getting more and more people on their team as far as attacking officers, and they're making plans to ambush them and to kill them. We have specific officers and agents that have bounties that have been put out on their heads.

It's been $2,000 to kidnap them, $10,000 to kill them. They've released their pictures. They've sent them between their networks, and it's an extremely dangerous situation and unprecedented. So we've put protective detail around those individuals, change some of our operations to keep our officers safe. But make no mistake, this isn't just about protesting free speech or that they don't like that people out here are upholding the law of our country. They're actually going out there and saying, kill these people, and we'll give you this much money to do it. It's quite a specific claim, isn't it? What she's doing there is conflating alleged cartel bounties on ice agents with protests happening outside of ice facilities, making it sound like the protesters are putting $10,000 kill bounties on ice officers.

Man, let me tell you, nobody who's out at ice right now has collectively 10 grand to put towards a bounty. Yeah. Yeah. What are we doing here? On to his day, October 7th, Christy Noam arrived in Portland, Oregon, along with her conservative podcaster sidekick, Benny Johnson, who has been live streaming ice operations in Chicago with Noem.

Benny posted on X the Everything app, Breaking, DHS secretary, Christy Noam, stares down Army of Antifa and a guy in a chicken suit from the rooftop of the ice facility here in Portland. Finally, someone took that chicken guy down to size. I want to play the video that I think one of us should set the stage for what we're seeing. Secretary, do you have a message to the protesters, especially the man in the chicken outfit? The man in the chicken outfit, I just see him now. Goodness sakes.

We can do better. Our goal is that people would peacefully protest, but that we would still be allowed to enforce the law in this country. It's too bad. They're uneducated and ill-informed. If you look at this protest, there's about, what, 20 people on the street corner adjacent to the ice facility, nearly as many journalists and photographers as there are protesters. And this is what Benny Johnson is describing as an army of Antifa is these 20 people holding signs across from like a police line on the edge of the ice facility. At a later point, Benny zooms into another street corner, which similarly has about a dozen people. over one block away from the ice facility.

This is the Army of Antifa that Benny Johnson is referring to as he, along with Nick Sorter, stand with Christy Gnome on the roof of the ice facility, surveying the area, which is just a fantastical sequence of events. We time-traveled and told me that five years ago that Christy Nob and Betty Johnson

are going to be on the roof of the ice facility calling a man in a chicken outfit, an army of Antifa. I guess I could believe you, but I would still be upsetting. I wouldn't be happy, but I wouldn't like, I wouldn't like argue with you. I'd be like, yeah, I mean, that sounds like a natural extension of where things are at this point in time. On Tuesday night, Noam went on Fox News to talk about a meeting she had with local law enforcement and the mayor, where she threatened to send four times as many federal forces into Portland, Oregon. Sure, man. I told them what we wanted. We wanted

more security here at the building, a bigger buffer zone to keep our officers safe. We wanted to have their streets opened up again and not let the anarchists run this city anymore that we would ask them to continue to back us up like we've been asking for instead of what they've been doing the last several months, which is just leaving our officers hang out to dry. The chief asked if I wanted to meet with the mayor and I said, absolutely, came back and just met with the mayor, and I'm so extremely disappointed. He's continuing to play politics, did not commit to any of those promises and said that he'd give me an answer by tomorrow, and I'm hopeful that he will. What I told him is that if he did not follow through on some of these security

measures for our officers, we were going to cover him up with more federal resources and that we were going to send four times the amount of federal officers here so that the people of Portland could have some safety. Again, almost no one's even there. I can't exaggerate the degree to which This is not a major factor in 99% of people's day to day because, number one, where the ice facility is is cordoned off from the rest of the city. Pretty isolated, you might say. And number two, just like most people that I know who were out in 2020, don't really have a clear idea of what they should be doing right now or what the most useful thing to do is right now and have spent a lot of time in front of federal riot lines. and aren't right now. And like it's this this complete disconnect

between what's actually going on in the city and like what's being reported, which doesn't matter really. Like it doesn't impact anything that everything they're saying is a lie. Yeah. Because their people believe it. It's just kind of frustrating.

No, and this information is all in the TRO document that blocked the deployment of National Guard. Quote, plaintiffs provided all of the PPB call logs in the month of September, which showed that point. Portland Police Bureau worked in close coordination with federal protective service supervisors and regularly checked the status of the ice facility. As detailed above, they also show that protest activity in September generally did not involve violence against federal property or

personnel, unquote. Portland Police Bureau have been working in coordination to manage the protests outside the ice building. They've not abandoned ice officers. That's not actually what's happening. A federal judge is deemed that local law enforcement are more than sufficient to handle the protests outside of the ice facility. The Trump government just really wants to send the military into cities, as they've already done with D.C., as they were wanting to do with Memphis, Chicago, Portland, eventually, like, New Orleans. This is just something that they really want to do.

On Tuesday, October 7th, Texas National Guard arrived in Illinois and are currently stationed in an Army Reserve Center in a suburb south of Chicago. Sunday night, Governor Pritzker made a statement reading, quote, Quote, this evening, President Trump is ordering 400 members of the Texas National Guard for deployments to Illinois, Oregon, and other locations within the United States. We must now start calling this what it is, Trump's invasion. It's started with federal agents, it will soon include deploying federalized members of the Illinois National Guard against our wishes, and it will now involve sending in another state's military troops.

There is no reason a president should send military troops into a sovereign state without their knowledge, consent, or cooperation. unquote. The state of Illinois announced that they would be seeking their own TRO against Trump's military deployment. The Illinois Attorney General said in a statement, quote, the American people regardless of where they reside should not live under the threat of occupation by the United States military, particularly for the reason that their city or state leadership has fallen out of a president's favor, unquote. And on Monday, Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson signed an executive order establishing city property and unwilling private businesses as ice-freezing.

zones and discussed the deployment of troops from out of state by warning, quote, the right wing in this country wants a rematch of the civil war, unquote. Yeah, and so we have it. We have a kind of breaking news update, which is, so this is being recorded on Wednesday, October 8th. It's possible this will, again, change by the time this comes out. The most recent information we have is, and this is reported by CBS per a statement from U.S. Northern Command, which is part of the Defense Department.

War Department, but yes. They're sending 500 troops. I'm just going to read a direct quote. Illinois, approximately 200 soldiers from various units of the Texas National Guard and approximately 300 soldiers from various units of the Illinois National Guard were activated into a Title X status and have arrived in the greater Chicago area. The National Guard were mobilized for an initial period of 60 days will be under the command and control of the commander of U.S. Northern Command.

So that's where we are right now. Yeah. There is out-of-state guard deployed into, Illinois. Like they are in the borders of the state right now. When Hanks has tried to deploy California National Guard to Oregon, it's unclear how many of them actually arrived in Oregon, but we do have confirmation and photos of Texas Guard in the borders of Illinois. This morning, Donald Trump trothed on truth social that, quote, Chicago mayor should be in jail for failing to protect ICE officers, Governor Pritzker,

also, unquote. This is the president of the United States calling for the jailing of a mayor and governor. Yeah, he's also more recently calling for the jailing of everyone who burns American flags and a minimum of a year in prison. Again, the legality here is deeply unclear. There's not a legal underpinning for that other than he's instructed the DOJ to start going after those folks, but... Yeah, this is just words that he's saying, but I think the words that he's saying are sometimes,

not always, but sometimes important. Yeah. Yeah. So I want to turn from here to the other occupation of Chicago, the one that has been doing significant damage already in the city as we have been covering, which is the ICE and Border Patrol deployment in Chicago. There's been more escalations that we are going to spend a small amount of time talking about. ICE has begun detaining unhoused people. We have reports of 11 total people they've detained so far. Most of them have been released, but the most prominent, and this is something that Brandon Johnson specifically mentioned in his speech, was four people who were taken in Chicago neighborhood called Broadview, who were outside a shelter, according to Chicago reader, we don't know where they are.

As of Wednesday, they're just gone. No one has been able to trace them down. Yeah, and this seems to be part of a broader trend of ICE agents taking action against people. people who, I mean, appeared to be U.S. citizens. We saw this a couple, like last week with, and this is another thing that Brandon Johnson specifically mentioned with him, with ICE agents just choking a black man out on the street. The major story is that there has been a second shooting by ICE in Chicago on, but we, what we

know for sure about this shooting is that on Saturday morning, an ICE agent shot a woman named Merrimar Martinez who appeared to have been part of a group that was following ice vehicles around the city Martinez was shot and drove herself to a nearby auto repair shop where medics and police showed up I'm going to read

the Sun Times' account from the shop manager who they spoke to of what happened when she got to the body shop quote the shop manager spoke with a 911 operator and said, send somebody quickly because this lady is bleeding profusely. I mean, it was instant puddles. Police and paramedics

showed up a few minutes later, he said, as paramedics place a turn kit on Martinez's leg and arm, a bullet fell out of her arm and onto the shot floor, the manager said. Martinez, thankfully, does not seem to have been really, really severely injured. She is in stable medical condition. Now, CHS put out a press release

almost immediately, claiming that their agents were, quote, ambushed by domestic terrorists that rammed federal agents with their vehicles and that, quote, Nortina's woman they shot was, quote, armed with a semi-onic-matic weapon and has a history of doxing federal agents. Now, it is worth noting that best practice

when looking at Department of Homeland Security statements, especially under the Trump administration, is to simply assume that they are not telling the truth until any details they have mentioned are corroborated. What the exact situation was before the state, shooting is very unclear. Both Department of Homeland Security and federal prosecutors have claimed that a group of cars basically boxed in an ice vehicle, and there have been repeated claims that they were rammed the ice vehicle, and that's why the ice agent opened fire. That's the

DHS's claims, yeah. Yeah, this is the DHS's claims, and these are the claims that are made in court documents. I want to read from the Sun-Times also Martinez's lawyer's description of what's going on because it is significantly different from the government's account and it's also it's also worth mentioning that there's already been some deviation between the court documents and

the DHS statement for example the court the DHS statement mentions a semi-automatic weapon and there's just simply no mention of that in like in any of the sort of charging documents the deadly weapon that she's being accused of doing an assault with which is what she's been charged with is the car

yeah so here's here's from the sometimes. So Perente, who is her attorney, Ferenci also offered to play an agent's body cam video that shows the shooting, noting prosecutors did not show the video that he claims disputes the government's version of the shooting. Parenti said the video shows an agent turning a federal vehicle left into Martinez's vehicle, after which the agent says, quote, do something bitch. The agent then exits the vehicle and shoots Martinez.

the attorney said Martinez had, quote, seven holes in her from the shooting and that agents were in such a hurry to take her into custody at the hospital that they had to return later when Martinez began bleeding from her wounds. Yeah. Yeah. So this is a significantly different portrayal

of the shooting. We do not have access to this body cam footage yet. It has not been released to the public. There is a video that we do have that does not show the shooting that shows some of the stuff leading up to the shooting. from that sort of auto repair shop that she went to it is still very unclear

what exactly happened here other than the fact that I shot this woman that's the only thing that we 100% know she does have a concealed carry license and had a handgun in the car with her the lawyers have claimed she never brandished the weapon and it was in the passenger seat and there's no evidence that she did brandish the weapon

no no no nor is ICE even claiming that. Like, Ice isn't even claiming that she brandished weapon. Ice isn't claiming that she fired a weapon. No, the Issa's specific claim is that when she was arrested later she had the weapon on her, which could refer to the vehicle or whatever. Yeah, well, and I will

say, so the initial Department of Homeland Security press statement said that she was armed with a semi-a-edic weapon. I think a lot of people took that to mean, you know, because DHS was implying stuff by saying that she was armed with, even though she was not. Yeah, they're inhabiting the ambiguity

of that verb, right? Yeah, right. They also said that they fired defensively, which makes you infer that this person may have fired at ICE, even though DHS has never actually claimed that. They are trying to selectively use words to make people infer things that they're not even actually explicitly claiming. Yeah. Yeah.

And we're going to have to get more details. We're going to have to wait to see exactly what happened. But what the evidence supports right now is that ICE. shot someone who was doing rapid response work, and it is frankly a miracle that she wasn't severely injured or killed. And this is, again, the second time they have done this since ICE's deployment in the city the first time they did just straight up kill a man. So we'll be following the story as it develops. We'll be following the continued actions of ICE in Chicago and other places. Yeah. And we will continue to talk about stuff after these ads.

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on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, and we are back. Mia was talking about rapid responders there, and I want to talk a little bit about one of the tools that they were using, which was called People Over Papers. There are many of these apps that have sprung up since the January of this year, since we saw much more visible immigration enforcement on the streets. Padlet, which was the, I guess, bulletin board type service that was people over papers relied on, has removed

people over papers, right? Padet said it violated their terms of service. The removal comes just a few days after a Laura Luma tweet, which tag the CEO, claimed that people over papers was violating the terms of service by, quote, harassment, stalking, privacy violations, inciting violence, and other unlawful activity. Luma there is noting things in the terms of service that she perceives people to be doing with people over papers, right? Yeah. This has happened after another of these apps,

ICE Block was removed from app stores last week. Also involved some Luma posting. Notably, Trisha McLaughlin, the DHS Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs, has claimed, and this is in contravention of what's widely held to be caught precedent and the law. She has claimed that videotaping ice agents is doxing them.

And separately, Kristian Nome has claimed that doxing is an act of violence. We can join the two dots there. Did videotaping ice agents is an act of violence? It seems to be what's being suggested here. We can see the consequences of this argument in the deportation of Atlanta area report on Mario Wavara. Mario was held for more than 100 days in detention. He was arrested and no Kingsday protest, if you can remember back when people were doing those things. But the charges against him were dropped.

However, since then, the government has argued that his filming of law enforcement constitutes a threat to public safety. Murrow has now been deported back to El Salvador. He's an Atlanta area reporter. And like, I guess to editorialize, it would be really nice to see a fraction of the advocacy we saw for Jimmy Kimmel, as someone who's actually doing reporting, right? Not just trying to be funny. He's not as big as Jimmy Kimball. Doesn't have his any followers.

Yeah, yeah. But he's also being sent to El Salvador, whereas Jimmy Kimmel was sent back to his mansion in Hollywood. Yeah, exactly, for like less than a week. So I'm going to link in the show notes both to an advocacy campaign and the Freeman of the Press Foundation piece about Mario. And you guys can check that out.

if you'd like to. The second character for this week is Tom Homan. You guys will remember Tom Homan, Bordersah, a guy who famously, well, relatively recently has become famous for seemingly accepting a bag with $50,000 of cash in it in an FBI sting operation. Let's play this clip of Pam Bondi, who is answering questions to front of Congress here

about what happened to the literal bag of cash. What became of the $50,000 in cash that the FBI paid to Mr. Homan in a paper bag, evidently? Oh my God, Tom and Jerry ass shit. She's looking through her notes right now. She's selected a page. Senator, as Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche recently stated, the investigation of Mr. Holman was subjected to a full review by the FBI, agents, and DOJ prosecutors.

They found no credible evidence of any wrongdoing. And that was not my question. My question was, what became of the $50,000 in cash that the FBI delivered evidently in a paper bag to Mr. Hohman? Senator, I'd look at your facts. Are you saying that they did not deliver $50,000 in cash to Mr. Holmes? Senator, as recently stated, the investigation of Mr. Homan was subjected to a full review by the FBI agents, by Department of Justice prosecutors.

They found no evidence of wrongdoing. That's a different question. What became of the $50,000? Did the FBI get it back? Mr. White House, excuse me, Senator White House, you're welcome to talk to the FBI. The report to you, can't you answer this question? First of all, this guy's name is Mr. White House. Yeah, this guy's name is Senator White House, Garrison.

That surely is a little confusing. Yeah, maybe he gets some emails for the wrong person. Sheldon Whitehouse, apparently, it's his first name. theoretically, if he got a job for the administration, his email will be White House at Whitehouse.gov. Yes. That's cool. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like that's going to happen, given the line of questioning

that he pursued here. But yeah, you can hear, right? She seems to be unwilling to answer where the paper bag of cash money has gone. Incredible stuff. Look, it's easier to lose that than you'd think. one would assume that the FBI would have some kind of tracking capability when giving someone $50,000 in a paper bag, but here we are. Maybe it's a no country for old mint kind of situation.

Whoever found it was smart enough to dump the transponder first. We will probably never know. If they're smart, yeah. Well, building on that, what ProPublicer is now reporting is that Holman went into business with a Pennsylvania consultant named Charles Sowell. and that Seoul has been offering consults on how to obtain contracts at the Department of Homeland Security. So, Homan consulted for Seoul's firm during the Biden administration. And during the same period, Seoul became the chair of Homan's Border 911 Foundation, according to their reporting.

ProPublica has called into question the extent to which Homan has actually recused himself from contracts, saying that he participated in meetings with executives about government contracting plans. So normally a government official would be bound to steer clear of their former business associates for at least a year when they enter office, right? I can't like consult for Garrison Inc and then become procurement for DHS and immediately buy a thousand of whatever Garrison Inc is selling. You can you can tag Garrison on Blue Sky where they will read what you think they're selling. If this will result in me getting $50,000 in a paper bag, then, you know, maybe. Yeah, in this instance, I would be the one getting the $50,000 from Garrison, Inc. in return for buying whatever it is you're selling, orbs, maybe.

Yeah, that's not a great deal. Yeah, yeah, it did. Well, it seems like it was a great deal in this instance. For Tom Homan, yeah. Well, their reporting suggests that Herman went from a relatively modest income in 2017 to being a multi-millionaire by the time he filed his 2025 disclosure documents. When you assume federal office, you have to file these disclosure documents, just close your assets. I guess the famous one is Jimmy Carter's peanut farm. But it seems that

during that time, his personal net worth increased significantly, right? He did a lot of consulting. He became like a talking head on Fox News in the Biden administration. It's difficult to summarize the intricacies of this story. I encourage you to read it. For instance, there's a third person called Mark Hall, who appears to be doing some work on behalf of Homan, but also retaining relationship with Seoul's clients. It looks a lot like what's happening. is that the people who Homan had been doing consulting with are now trying to make money saying that they have special access to DHF based off their consulting. This kind of builds on some of the stuff that we'd already seen and spoken about last week, right?

Finally, on the immigration beat, I want to talk about a case where the petitioner's attorney has stated that the petitioner, I'm not going to name the person I don't think it's necessary, was taken to hospital by CBP, they severely injured his leg on a raid in a car wash in Carson, California. He was booked into the hospital under a pseudonym

and kept there under armed guard from August to 27th until October 4th. Jesus Christ. Yeah. So this person, they weren't coming up in the detainee locator, right? They hadn't apparently been allocated an A number, which is what you'd normally use to look

someone up on the ICE detainee locator. and I guess the argument there was that they weren't booked in so they left the hospital. So this person basically disappeared for more than a month. The judge has granted that petitioner attentive restraining order in that instance. Right. But I think it's how I have been receiving a lot of messages about a Chicago older person who was detained by ICE at a hospital.

And I have seen a number of reports that suggest that that's because ICE were detaining people in the hospital. To my knowledge, the only person they detained, in the hospital was the older person. They were not detaining patients at the hospital. They were there because they had bought somebody to the hospital in order for that person to be a patient because that person was in their detention,

in their care, and needed medical assistance. I have seen outlets. I don't, should I name them? Like, democracy now got this wrong and said that they were arresting people. So, like, democracy now is one example, right? I have seen outlets reporting this as ICE were in the hospital, detaining people.

nothing I have seen leads me to believe that and lots of things I have seen lead me not to believe that it doesn't mean it's great for the people who are brought into hospital by eyes and sure it fucking sucks I'm sure it has a chilling effect on other people going to hospital to know that they are there but so does reporting that suggests

that you can be picked up in the hospital if you're an inpatient or if you're in the emergency room that stops people accessing medical care that actively puts people in danger we need to be really really fucking careful when sharing this shit. That includes people who are journalists or claiming to be journalists.

People are so upset rightly, so with what ICE is doing, that there can be this attitude, and I've encountered it before, of like, well, by under-cautioning people, that's the biggest risk. And it's like, not when we're talking about whether or not people go to the hospital

for life-saving care. Like, I'm sorry, it's just not. Like, these are not equivalent risks. More people are going to be in a position where they would be scared, off from going to the hospital and not in any danger from ICE going to it, then might possibly be in danger going to the hospital? Like, you were just endangering people by trying to get them to believe it is not safe for

them to go receive life-saving emergency medical care at this stage. Now, is it possible that's going to change? Good God, I'm certainly not going to say no, right? I'm certainly not going to say no. 100%. But that's not where we are right now. Just over-cautioning people is not a net good in this instance. Yeah, absolutely.

Sometimes it is, but not here because, again, if people don't go to the hospital on time, they die. Yeah, yeah. And I'm aware of cases where people with genuinely life-threatening medical emergencies have been, had to be persuaded to go to the hospital by people, right? Because they had seen this. Because these rumors don't just spread via social media, but also by WhatsApp groups and things. And it can be very scary for people. Well, and people largely construct their beliefs on reality by, like, what the weight of the people that they know directly or follow are saying is true. Yeah.

And when you see 50 people, some of whom you kind of know, some of whom you've at least followed to an extent online all say, this is unsafe, then there's a tendency to get really angry when people are like, well, I don't know, maybe it isn't actually. Yeah. Like, I mean, I care about the safety of migrants in this country. I think anyone who looked at a totality of my work would believe that, right? Like, it's ludicrous to suggest otherwise. That means I want them to go to hospital when they're fucking sick. And that means that people who are saying things that are not true. I understand why, right?

It lines up with the other things that we know to be true. ICE is doing terrible shit. Shit is terrible. But it is still an area where we need to exercise extreme caution when reporting on things until we know that it is true that ICE are coming into hospital and taking people out of the beds, which again, is not a thing that I think is happening. Let's pivot a little bit to public lands. Something that I think about a lot, that we don't always report on here, but that I think is very important.

I want to talk about the roadless rule today. So September saw the end of the comment period. It was a very short comment period on the Trump administration's proposal to rescind the roadless rule. The roadless rule, if you're not familiar, protects over 58.8 million acres of national forest land from road building, logging, and other industrial activity. According to the Centre for Western Priorities, 99% of the comments submitted, of which there were more than 180,000, were opposed to rescinding the rule, right?

The Reddardist rule has previously had broad bipartisan support. It was not a particularly controversial thing. Agriculture Secretary Brook Rawlins announced a proposal early in the summer, saying it would increase logging and decrease wildfire risk. Research suggests that the opposite is true. Cutting roads into forests provides more admission opportunities, right? By allowing people to go into those forests, you allow those people to do things which lead to fires happening. Right.

They're cars overheat. They smoke cigarettes. They fucking shoot steel targets in the middle of the summer. I mean, we just had a guy brought in for the Palisade fires. And he was like a 29-year-old Uber driver who was having clearly a bad mental health day, called in after he set a fire, but kind of made weird denials about it. fled to Florida, and it kind of just looks like he was listening to a song where there were people lighting fires and decided to light a fire, and it got way out of control, way too quickly.

Yeah. And it wasn't even the same night. Like, it took, like, a week because, like, they put out the initial fire, but it kept burning through thick underbrush, which eventually got re-hawed. That's my understanding based on the articles that I've read. But, like, yeah, it's, it's, I mean, in that case, it's just a guy who's not super well. yeah sure and like the other thing the cutting rose will do is it will change to foliage right you'll cut down the big trees and you'll have smaller shrubs and those are easier to burn the big trees right the wilderness society has some data on this i think they found that forest with roads were four times more likely to have fires i will link to that wilderness society data and the road just rule was passed under the clinton admin and it's being rescinded as part of a march executive order which which sought to increase you timber production.

I want to note that there will not be guys with chainsaws rolling into your favorite national forest, like next week or next month, right? Like, building these roads would have to be financed by the United States Forest Service, which is, of course, currently, well, if you go on the Forest website, Forest Service website, it'll tell you that radical left Democrats have shut down the federal government right now in a pop-up. You did it, guys. Yeah, so the Forest Service is finally coming out against the woke left.

But, yeah, the Forest Service would have to finance these, and it's currently understood. because of the voluntary and Doge-based layoffs. It's not particularly well-funded. I don't see the Forest Service going in for a lot of road construction. But it might be wrong, where Trump-Teneli seems to see not importing timber as a major issue. I'm not quite sure why. I guess it was an issue in Britain when they had to respond to the Spanish Armada. Cut down a lot of trees back then.

Not familiar with other. Very similar situation. Yeah, yeah. National security issue. I think we can agree, right? The Spanish... I mean, I'm just excited that now I can finally drive my ATV through these, you know, environmentally protected areas. You're goddamn right, Garrison. Without getting harassed by the park service.

Yeah, but I don't woke left. I'm going to be the drunkest guy on an ATV and Joshua tree. I'm going to drive straight for the biggest tree I can find. Anything over a thousand years old is fair game for my bumper baby. Sit close to home, man. I know. I'm sorry, James. James is seething right now.

James is going to. going to fucking cut me. If I see anyone stealing or destroying a Joshua tree, I will insert it. I would never harm a Joshua tree. I would never harm a Joshua tree. There's one kind of tree I will harm indiscriminately, and it's a tree of paradise.

But that's good for the environment. Fuck those trees, kill them wherever you find them. I think the only Joshua tree it's okay to hate is the album by you two. Yeah, that's also. Burn every copy of the album Joshua tree that you find. Yeah, I'm okay with destroy it, erase it from the earth. Run over those with an ATV.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind if that became extinct. Why not? Yeah. Do you want to talk about tariffs? We're talking about timber. And, of course, there has been recently a tariff on Canadian lumber, woke trees coming in from our neighbors to the north. So perhaps that's why we need to destroy our national forests. I mean, Canada kind of is destroying theirs and they still have trees to export. Yeah, I guess one thing I haven't said about public land that you should always say when you're talking about public land is that it's all native land, actually. And the framing of public land is a place for white folks to recreate.

It's not the correct framing. It's not how we win this fight. And you should also, if you care about not just the damage that fires do, but conservation in general, and you ever get the opportunity to go through, like up here in the Pacific Northwest, you can go through chunks of the forest that are managed by the state and that are managed by the Bureau of Land Management, and then you can go through chunks of forest that are managed by the indigenous communities. And the way in which forests are managed is very different.

Yeah. And different in a way that one is the right. way to do it. And the other two aren't. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is land that was all stolen from its indigenous stewards by means of genocide and we should give it back. And it's not just a matter of that's the right thing to say, but also that is the right way to preserve those lands. Yeah. The people who have been in stewardship of those lands so much longer than America has been a country. Anyway, watch the I think 1991 movie Clearcut, which is set in Canada, but a fucking banger. Real good movie.

Check it out. I don't know if those two things are compatible. What? Canada and a banger. Yeah. Hey, come on. It's good. It's, it's, it's about an indigenous activist and a white lawyer who... You don't like Cronenberg, James? What's wrong with you? Cronenberg to be it? Because he's fighting this Canadian... Canadians make great movies.

It's really good. It's about this like, like, liberal white lawyer who's fighting like a logging company and this indigenous activist who takes him and kidnaps the head of the logging company and takes them into the forest. And that's all I'll tell you about the movie. It is a fucking banger.

I don't go on this podcast and make fun of your home country, James. Garrison Davis. You will all, by the way, like Clearcutt. Watch that fucking movie. It rits. Tariff talk. Yeah. Well, movie tariff.

Look at that for a fucking segue. Yeah. Rocking to Casma, Rocking to Casper Terry, he's don't like it. Rocking to Casma, Rocky Casper. Okay, fucking lightning round.

We have two pivot points here. We're going to go for the timber pivot instead of the movie pivot. Okay. So, lightning round. Trump is imposing a 10% tariff on softwood lumber, a 25% tariff on upholstered Furniture and 25% tariff on kitchen cabinets and vanities. IKEA is the thing.

IKEA is losing their minds. Taya She's long industry is collapsing in Canada as we speak. Yeah. So this is going to be in effect October 14th. Get him now. And then also these tariffs are scheduled to increase at the beginning of next year. The upholstered furniture tariffs are increasing to 30%. And the kitchen cabinet and vanity tariffs are increasing to 50%.

at the beginning of next year. Hell yeah. The idea that there's a vanity tariff is very funny to me. Like, not as a noun, but just as a concept. Yeah. These are nominally lumber industry tariffs.

I think there's some kind of housing development brain inside of Trump's head rattling around as to why there's suddenly tariffs on vanities and upholtered furniture. Who knows? The Canadian government has been attempting to lift the tariffs.

It has not. not work. Negotiations once again failed today, which is October 8th. Okay, bouncing from that to something that's also very important, well, actually more important. So one of the issues with the current government shutdown is the threat to the special supplemental nutrition program for women, infants, and children, which is normally called WIC. WIC funding is extraordinarily important because it feeds several million people. And, okay, this story is very, very weird because we haven't gotten any direct thing about how this would work outside of the press secretary saying it. But the press secretary is saying that Trump is going to fund this program with the money from one of the tariff programs.

Yeah. Now, it is worth noting that this is just very unconstitutional, exceptionally unconstitutional, is a violation of. the part of the separation of powers where they say that Congress is the thing that levies taxes and decide where the money goes. But it's also, it's not clear if this is even happening or how it could even remotely happen, but it is being reported. WIC has been a program that Trump has been using to push his narrative about the government shut down. Yeah, I think 40% of children are on WIC right now. Like, this is an extremely important program. It's one of those things where, like, again, there was complete by parties and support apart aside from complete lunatics

until very, like, you would never have heard like a fuck WIC statement. It's done a lot of good for a lot of people who need a lot of help. I did see a statement from the WIC Council that basically asserted that like, look, we'd be excited if you would keep us keep WIC funded. But using tariff money is not a sustainable or like reliable approach to do this. just fund it by playing for government programs in the U-4 way. Yeah. So the other major tariff news that we have is basically for the last couple of weeks,

Trump has been threatening to impose 100% tariffs on pharmaceuticals. This was originally supposed to go into effect on October 1st, and then Trump started cutting a bunch of deals with drug manufacturers to exchange sort of lower price agreements. And also, and this is the major significant element, as we've seen with a whole bunch of companies that have made deals with Trump pledges of large-scale investments in U.S. manufacturing and production.

These tariffs have sort of been staved off and the administration is now saying that they won't do it because they don't need to because they have reached agreements for drug companies. Pfizer was the first major company to sign a deal. This has been part of an initiative called Trump RX which is supposedly coming in 2026.

And yeah, and the plan is to have direct-to-consumer drug sales by forcing these companies to give the U.S. most favored nation status, which, like, basically the thrust of this is giving specifically this Trump R-X thing, the prices that these drug companies charge to undeveloped countries. However, comma, and this is extremely important to not being reported very much, Trump R-X, assuming this program comes into being, you can't use insurance on it. It is only, you can only buy drugs off there. You would only be able to buy drugs off there without insurance. So it probably doesn't lower your drug costs at all if you have really any kind of insurance. It certainly lowers the cost your insurance company has to pay, right? Like if you're insured badly. Yeah, right.

You know, and so the actual good that this could even potentially do, I think is very, very limited. Yeah. But that's sort of what's going on. This is the part of the initiative. If you see people talking about how he's lowering drug prices, it's specifically for this weird Trump RX thing, which again, you can't use insurance to use. So there's been a few other tariffs that he's talked about, and I kind of want to set a spectrum of how real a tariff is, because there's a whole much different kinds of

tariffs that Trump announces and then nothing happens on. So, for example, you can have a kind of tariff where he announces it on social media, but there's no date, right? So the 100% tariff on foreign-made movies. This is the second time he's talked about it. there's never been a date attached to it. It seems to be something that he tweets about and then forgets about it never happens. On the more real end, there are tariffs like the one that is currently being proposed as 25% tariff on heavy trucks that's supposed to go into effect on

November 1st, but there is no executive order. So that one, we can't treat as real as, for example, the lumber tariffs, which have an executive order, although also, again, you have to wait for these to actually go into effect, which would be category sort of three and four are, is there an executive order and has the date of the executive order doing the thing past? So we have a couple of floating tariffs from there. We have those 25% tariffs on heavy trucks, which are supposed to go into fact November first, assuming it's an executive order. We have this film tariff. Which is the, what is the scariest tariff by far? One hundred percent tariffs on foreign made films. What are they tariffing that? Time to hoist the black flag again, my

No one has any idea what that means. We have no clue. Absolutely not. We have no clue how this would work. No detail. Okay. He just said 100% on foreign films. Okay.

Sick. Good. I'm glad that everyone's equally clear on that. Get back to torrenting, people. I think the final thing we should talk about is so on November 5th, the Supreme Court is going to start hearing the case against a bunch of the tariffs that Trump has been doing. We've talked about this before. The Trump administration has also stated that even if these tariffs are found unconstitutional, they are going to continue to apply tariffs themselves using other laws.

That's good. Even if they lose the Supreme Court case, that doesn't mean that all the tariffs are suddenly just not going to happen anymore. He will probably try to reimpose a whole bunch of them under different tariff authority and we'll go through this whole process again. But yeah, this has been, this has been tariff talk. Great. Okay, so I have a fundraiser for you.

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