It Could Happen Here - Executive Disorder: White House Weekly #42

Episode Date: November 21, 2025

The gang weighs whether Bubba is a horse or a president and discusses the vote on the Epstein files, a furry revelation about the Trump assassin, four “Antifa” groups designated as foreign terrorists, and the quiet recession. Plus, updates on gerrymandering and ICE activities.  Sources: https://x.com/micah_erfan/status/1991117893912977891?s=20 https://x.com/TheTNHoller/status/1991186996421640702?s=20  https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115562626931599548 https://nypost.com/2025/11/17/opinion/fbi-secret-service-butchered-the-thomas-crooks-case-and-invited-conspiracies-we-deserve-the-truth/ https://nypost.com/2025/11/17/us-news/thomas-crooks-used-they-them-pronouns-had-obsession-with-violence-and-muscle-mommies-sources/  https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1990444544584819185?s=20 https://x.com/DC_Draino/status/1990439113997078866?s=20 https://independentnewsroom.com/p/intel-report-thomas-crooks-alleged-social-media-dump-2bda https://www.state.gov/releases/2025/11/designations-of-antifa-ost-and-three-other-violent-antifa-groups/  https://x.com/StateDept/status/1989034285819740531?s=20 https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txwd.1150387/gov.uscourts.txwd.1150387.1437.0.pdf https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/18/us/jd-vance-threats-michigan.htmlSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is It Could Happen here, Executive Disorder, our weekly newscast, covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world, and what this means for you. I'm Garrison Davis. Today I'm joined by Mia Wong, James Stout, and Robert Evans. This episode, we're covering the week. of November 13th to November 19th, the biggest news, I think, of this whole week, J.D. Vance has been sentenced to two years in prison for threatening Donald Trump and J.D. Vance.

This is, of course, James Donald Vance, Jr. A different J.D. Vance. A 67-year-old man from Grand Rapids, Michigan. A second J.D. Vance has hit the discourse. Who's also named Donald, which is phenomenal. It's amazing stuff. It's amazing stuff. Who pleaded guilty to three criminal accounts based on the social media posts about killing the president, the vice president, Elon Musk, and Trump Jr. Jeez, yeah, not a good, don't a good call.

Garrison, I would quibble that that is the biggest story this week because this is the week, of course, that Nikki Minaj addressed the United Nations. This is a week where years happened. Yeah, Nikki Minaj, if readers are familiar with her, it will doubtless be because of her contributions to discourse on her cousin's friend's testicles. but this time she's back and she is talking about the persecution... That's right, baby. Yeah, that's what we do here. She's talking about the persecution of Christians in Nigeria

just for listeners who are not aware Nikki Minaj is from Trinidad. Yeah. Not aware of any particular expertise or insight she has on a topic. But yeah, she did that this week. Yep. That's the United Nations. Do we know how she decided that this was a problem

she needed to get involved with? She reposted a truth that Donald Trump had made. Not a great. And I believe they reached out on the basis of that. There's some tremendous, like, statements calling her the greatest female recording artist in history. Yeah, yeah, which sets us up nicely for a Nikki Minaj, Dolly Parton beef. Yeah. I think I'd join on the side of Dolly Parton in that one.

Yeah, it would be hard not to. Mm-hmm. Yep. So, yeah, I guess she reposted a thing about. about a truth that led to them reaching out. And she volunteered her time to address the United Nations organizations set up after World War II to try and prevent genocides. Yeah, outstanding.

The truth is so beautiful. Yes. Speaking of the truth, the truth coming to light, we're talking about Jeffrey Epstein again, I guess. Yeah, the ongoing revelations based on. This guy's post-death career has really been one for the books. Yeah, he really rivals Michael Jackson in more than one way. Yeah, or Tupac.

I would say Tupac. No, it was when fucking John McAfee died. There were all these people being like, oh, he's got, you know, because McAfee had lied and said, I've got like an insurance folder that will come out in the event of my death that'll, you know, reveal a bunch of top-level secrets. And John McAfee didn't know shit. He was a crazy old drug addict who killed his nephew and then fled to South America or Central America. Anyway, whatever.

One of the Americas. He fled to a different America than the one that he came from. Anyway, but that's actually happening with Jeffrey Epstein. We actually now have a lot of dirt on a lot of people. Larry Summers just left the board of Open AI because he was revealed as a rampant misogynist and friend of a pedophile sex trafficker. not a good look. He's also announced that after finishing

his current class at Harvard, he will be resigning from Harvard University. Oh, what a loss for Harvard. I don't know how they're going to recover. Well, it's the biggest loss since President Gay.

Yeah. Look, Harvard, if you need someone to teach his class, I'll do it. I don't know what his class is. I don't actually know what Larry does. We know what his expertise is,

but I feel like I can do a better job. Yeah. Bring me in. We do know a little bit about what Larry does and that. It's the problem. Yeah. Yeah, the sex crimes.

Right after recording executive disorder last week, not the most important, but certainly the oddest email was uncovered as a part of that big documents release. This is an exchange from 2018 between Mark Epstein and Jeffrey Epstein, two brothers. Let's start with. With Mark. How are you doing? A while back you mentioned that you were pre-diabetic. Has anything changed with that? What is your boy Donald up to now? Jeffrey replies, all good, Bannon with me. Mark replies, ask him if Putin has the photos of Trump blowing Bubba. You know, I'm going to continue the exchange. Jeffrey replies, and I thought I had to rest. Mark replies, you and your boy, Donnie, can make a remake of the movie, Get Hard, sent via tin can and a string.

And Jeffrey replied, you mean Donny T, and Mark replied, I'd rather be in Donny D's shoes. That's the exchange. Also, what Epstein said was Cirrus, which is a Yiddish word that means, like, problems. Like, I got problems. I got shit. I'm all fucked up. Which he was. He was not wrong about that.

Look. Yep. So, Bubba, many people have speculated that this could be a reference to former President Bill Clinton, whose nickname was Bubba and whose name is Bubba in some of these other emails or is referred to as Bubba in some of these other emails. Which is something that I've seen surprise a lot of people. If you grew up in the 90s, you were aware that his nickname was Bubba. But he has not been called Bubba in a very long time. When he, like, lost all that weight and went vegan, and like it kind of, he stopped seeming

like as much of a Bubba as he did when he was the president, the Saturday Night Live, made fun of in that great McDonald's sketch. But, yeah, anyway, continue, Gare. I mean, I don't know what else there is to say here. You know, photos have been recirculating Of Trump Yeah, Bobba gump, shrimp Will the real Bubba please stand up

Photos have been recirculating Of Trump, I would say, groping Bill Clinton's penis Yeah, yep Yep There's more there than you'd expect, right? Yes, yeah But

Bubba has referred to a few people Yeah Including other people like in Epstein's circle Like a golfers and bottles But Bubba was also the name of Galane Maxwell's horse. Oh, I'm just now hearing this and that's not, I'm sorry. And here's the thing, I see the appeal to believing that this is the answer. I simply don't believe Donald Trump ever had that kind of throat game.

I'm sorry, I just don't, I just don't accept that. This is by far the funniest possibility that he did like a joke photo shoot where he like pretended to blow a horse. I could see him doing that. This is really understandable. This is like, this is really doable. Haven't we all been there? So that is,

just, yeah. And, you know, take this however you will, like Mark Epstein has denied that the Bubba referred to in the email is a reference to Bill Clinton while also admitting in this same like interview

to a news station and a statement that like, you know, Jeffrey certainly did have dirt on the president and thought that he was the only one that could sink both candidates' career in 2016, both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Pretty good chance that's true, actually. Yeah. But he, for what it worth, is saying it's not a reference to Clinton. Who knows?

There's a real sort of, you know, if you want to do the sort of pop Marxist lines, there's a real sort of historical unity of the ruling class moment when you read these emails and the people in them it's like it's Bill Clinton it's Bill Clinton's like the people around Bill Clinton it's Ken Starr and it's and you know you go back and you look at like you look at like the actual like impeachment of Bill Clinton right and you realize that every single one of these people are all friends with Jeffrey Epstein and are just kind of hanging out like on like on the pedophile island and it's just yeah yeah I It's something that like you couldn't if like the most the most sort of on the nose like I like completely didactic I'm pounding your head with a hammer like Marxist thing from 1960 where they go yeah all of the presidents are hanging out on pedophile island like conspiring behind your back and they're taking photos of them like grabbing each other's dicks like you wouldn't believe but it's like no no no no this is just this is just the historical unity of the ruling class is literally they're all friends. with this pedophile? Well, it's just, these are all wealthy, powerful people and the only people that they socialize with is each other. You know, the New York Times came up with an out with an article this week that was like

the Epstein emails or an insight into an old New York long departed or since departed. Yeah, that was an incredible headline. And yeah, I mean, it was. This was like the transition between all of these people writing each other letters and all of these people just bitching publicly on the internet. openly and losing their minds, like the awkward interstiddle period was them all emailing each other from their iPads, right? So to that extent, the New York Times article is right, not the main takeaway from the

Jeffrey Epstein emails. I would say probably not worth an article in the Times, but it's not wrong, technically. Yeah, it's a fascinating thing to choose to go. Yeah. That poor horse. Yeah, it's a little bit like a journalist showing up in Berlin in late 1945. and, like, going through, like, papers in the ruins of the Reichstag and being like, wow, this really reveals a lost Berlin.

I was like, I mean, yeah. That's not really the point. Any other comments on Bubba? Did anyone ask guys his brother about the horse? I don't believe Mark has been asked about the horse. Mark is in a... Not that I have a ton of... a sympathy for this guy, but just recognizing things objectively, he's in a tough position

because his brother was an incredibly famous pedophile sex trafficker. And he is desperately trying not to get disappeared by the regime, or he also knows what will come after the regime. So he doesn't want to set himself up in a way where he gets in trouble from that either, right? Like, it's a legitimately complicated situation he finds himself in that his brother just kind of left for him. And again, I don't have a lot of sympathy for the man, but I can recognize it. Because he also said at the same time he was like, this definitely was not him referring to Donald Trump giving a blowjob to Bill Clinton. He did also say that he believed that the Republicans were removing the names of Republicans from the Epstein files before release, right? So he's, he has been, like, hedging his bets because, again, he's in a lot of danger.

Yeah. He's in trouble. This man, this man is in trouble. Yeah, I would not be granting interviews if I was him. I would be, uh... I wouldn't say shit. Yeah, literally under the ground. Yeah, I would, for one thing, not be in a country that extradite.

I would never set foot in a country with extradition treaties to the Western world again. Yeah, the next strike in Venezuela will be Mark Epstein. I would be living in Tehran right now. Let's talk about Marjorie Trader Green. Sure. Why not? Yeah. So Marjorie Taylor Green is part of the resistance now.

Hashtag welcome to the resistance. Yeah, exactly. It's very like Andor. Sure. It's like that point in Andor where the person who did nothing but help Emperor Palpatine suddenly at the last minute was like, ah, you know what? this guy went a step too far for me. Or,

ah, actually I hate Jews too much that I think that's the reality. I wasn't sure if there was an analog for anti-Semitism in the Star Wars universe that I wasn't aware of it. You probably don't want to,

you don't want to go there. I've asked the wrong people. I'm sorry. We've got to stop this right now. They're not paying us enough. I've made a terrible mistake. Do you have three hours? James, in the early 2000s,

George Lucas invented some names that are themselves hate crimes. Just be remembering the name. is a hate crime. James, do you want to read about the Troidarians? No. No. As far as I get into Star Wars, bigotry discourse, is Giajabinx, and after that I leave.

Well, it's from the same movie, but no. So, yeah, Marjorie has been more combative against some of the Trump cultist mega-right on a few issues. One, she's extended her already evidenced anti-Semitism a la Jewish space lasers. towards foreign policy in this like America first Nick Fuentesi way of being critical of Israel. You see seeds of this because like Marjor Taylor Green like attended the Nick Fuentes America First conferences like four years ago.

Like this is this this side of it, not a surprising turn for her. Her finally flipping on Trump in terms of the pedophile stuff may be a little bit surprising because she was the original like Q&On candidate. Yeah. And Q&ON's built on this like trying to judge. justify in some ways Trump's proximity to Epstein by building this grand narrative.

And she made a statement recently that she's no longer all in on the queue stuff, right? Like she has, she is, this is a pivot for her, but it's a pivot that's pretty consistent with, you know, her anti-sitism. And it makes sense.

Yeah. Yeah. It makes sense with the Israel foreign policy stuff. It also makes sense in terms of Trump's made a lot more statements directly addressing this Epstein stuff, which kind of does call into question and some of like the Q narratives,

which for someone like Marjorie might actually get her to kind of reflect on some of like this Trump cultish status that she's had for a while. This has frustrated. Trump, who is... And, you know, Trump's also been frustrated with other members like Lauren Bobbert and other, like,

Congress people who were pledging to vote in support of the release of the Epstein Files. And this pressure was building a lot last week during this like 20,000 document release and all this new news coverage. And as these, as more and more Republicans began to deflect from Trump over the release of the Epstein files, Trump himself flipped his rhetoric over this past weekend, still calling the debate over the files a Democrat hoax, but truthing that the files should be released because we quote unquote have nothing to hide.

And he called on Republicans to vote in favor of the bill to release the Epstein files, which they did on Tuesday in a 427 to one vote with Representative Clay Higgins, a Republican from Louisiana, the only congressman to vote no. Hours later, Chuck Schumer unanimously passed the measure through the Senate. Mike Johnson had previously expected the Senate

to amend the bill to, quote, make sure we don't to permanent damage to the political system, unquote. What thing is to say? After its passage through the Senate, Johnson seemed quite worried that it went through the upper chambers in its current form. And I want to play this clip here because it's kind of shocking to hear him, hear him freak out. And before we say this, you owe it to yourself as a person to go actually look at this clip and watch his face. It is amazing.

It's so good. I haven't seen this. I'm excited. It'll be in the sources below. Any reaction to leader Thune? you seeing the bill without adding amendments or changing it i am i'm deeply disappointed in this outcome i think i'm told i've been at the state dinner i don't know i was just told that chuck schumer rushed it to the floor and put it out there preemptively it needed amendments i just spoke

to president about that we'll see what happens so is he do you think he may veto it you say you spoke to the president i'm not saying that i don't know is he supportive of it in its current form uh we we both have concerns about me so we'll see i'm staying ahead with the with the crown prince would be involved are you frustrated than the majority leader are you upset

with the majority leader cool nice what a what a normal what a normal interaction that is also worth noting the very end of that video

he says I was eating with the crown prince because he is again walking out of a state dinner with one Muhammad bin Salman the

the yeah I don't even list of war crimes here the Sudanese child soldier exterminator etc etc

but no it's safe to say that both Johnson and President Trump have concerns about the state of the bill and Johnson seemed a little bit wishy-washy on if the president would even sign this or veto this now it's not all

bad for the president I oh I'd like to see Donnie J wiggle his way out of this jam this bill that has passed does allow Attorney General Pam Bondi to withhold or redact portions of the files that could jeopardize active federal investigations and personally determine if information in the files should remain classified to protect national security. Last weekend, Trump ordered Bondi to launch

investigations looking into connection between Epstein and prominent Democratic politicians and donors. Here's clip from a Wednesday, November 19th, press conference. Conference. Madam Attorney General, do you mean that you will provide all the files by 30 days? We will follow the law. The law passed both chambers last evening. It has not yet been signed, but we will continue to follow the law again while protecting victims, but also providing maximum transparency.

Madam Attorney General, the DOJ statement earlier this year saying that the files would not release mentioned the fact that the review of the documents and the evidence did not suggest that any additional investigation of third parties was warranted. What changed since then that you launched this investigation? Information that has come for information. Information that new information, additional information, and again, we will continue to follow the law to investigate any leads. If there are any victims, we encourage all victims to come forward, and we will continue to provide maximum transparency under the law. Very normal.

Very normal response. Uh-huh. Yeah, that doesn't sound sketchy. I have never at any point in the last eight years, 12 years, however long we've been in this hellscape, been a, been a piss tape believer. This, looking at these people's faces is the closest I've ever been to being like, know maybe that shit's real and maybe it's in there because there's clearly

something in there that they are just, they're just going through it. Yeah, it's wild. Yeah, some of these guys seem a little bit concerned. Yeah, yeah, I wonder why. Surely there's no I mean, imagine the workload ahead of them. They have to redact so

much. They have to get so many of those markers. Imagine how tired their wrists are going to be. Yeah, it's like that feeling when you come back from a reporting trip and you're like, shit, now I have to do the job. Yeah, yeah. Yes, I'm familiar with that feeling. Do you know what we have to do right now? Adds? It's pivot to ads, yes. Yeah, let's go ahead and do that. A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers, But it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught.

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Now I would like to take some time to discuss probably the second most important news story of the whole week. I'll do it. Sure. Which is totally not a Hail Mary distraction to get away from the Epstein stuff. This is totally legitimate

and totally newsworthy. On Monday, November 17, a piece in the prestigious outlet the New York Post opinion section provided earth-shattering revelations, care. That's the word, about the attempted Trump assassination, claiming to have discovered evidence

that Thomas Crooks, the shooter, had two possible accounts on deviant art. Which... Yeah, this really is the biggest story. Which the Post, New York Post, describes as, quote, one of the biggest online hubs for furry art and the furry community. A furry is someone who has an interest in anthropomorphized animal characters often as a sexual fetish, unquote. Every time.

Later reporting in the New York Post claimed that one of these accounts had only shared a single post, quote, a repost of a towering, muscular female bodybuilder and a slight man in his underwear, unquote. and, quote, multiple searches for muscular women and female bodybuilders were found on Crook's supposed YouTube search history. He's a real pervert then, excellent. Yes, beautiful. Oh, it's not, oh, Robert, that's not even the worst part.

The furry stuff, obviously problematic, considering our past few furry mass shooters, is maybe a trend here, we should look into this, but possibly the most damning piece of information in the New York Post reporting is that crooks, quote, described himself with the pronouns they them on the platform

devian art which is one of the biggest hubs for furry art and the furry community this became the big thing among the right another trans shooter the Trump the Trump assassin was trans the whole time and we didn't even know

the FBI covered up the trans connection here it's all coming together more more red string on the board the trans the trans shooter narrative is growing more and more evident by the day, right? This is the way that this was framed across all of these, all these commentators.

Who's the president right now? How is this supposed to work? At the time they investigated it, Biden would have been president, right? Or they began their investigation. The New York Post did reach out to the current FBI for comment. They did not receive a response. Deep State. The New York Post's reporting, like in these, in these,

opinion pieces and I think later an article they did. Did later include references to quote violently anti-Semitic comments and racist remarks about Hispanic immigrants that Thomas Crooks also made including YouTube comments from 2019

quote, this is going to be blatantly racist but I hope Trump has these people, the squad, murdered. Oh, great. I always believed being patriotic was lighting up a bunch of socialist Jews like the ones that booed Trump and blasting their useless brains out with an AR.

I hope a quick, painful death to all the deplorable immigrants in anti-Trump Congresswoman. Unquote. Obviously, the right-wing commentators are not talking about this sort of stuff. They're not talking about

Crux's actual politics or political shifts during the pandemic, where he started getting kind of more Trump critical, but still from a conservative perspective. Instead, The story is now, to quote, libs of TikTok, Charlie Kirk killer, furry fetish, Trump shooter, furry fetish,

Idaho firefighter killer, furry fetish. What's going on? Right-wing podcaster and disgraced BuzzFeed journalist Benny Johnson. Quote, it has now been confirmed that attempted Trump assassin, Thomas Crooks, used they-them pronouns, had a deep interest in furries, and was exploring gender identity, add it to the list. this list is then a list of both real and many not real

quote unquote trans mass shooters another account DC Drano who was part of the White House photo op team during the initial fake release of the fake Epstein files not that the files were fake but like this fake media presentation around releasing the already released and actually even more redacted versions

of already public files DC Dr. Drano was one of these guys who was like paraded around as like a prop holding up these binders of files. He posted, quote, it is now confirmed the deep state tried to cover up that Thomas Crooks was a transgender extremist to use they them pronouns and then shot

President Trump. We need a massive crackdown against violent trans extremism. This sort of stuff is losing steam. This sort of stuff is not spreading around the way that it has been previously. It's very clear that this is a blatant distraction away from

unflattering stories about Trump in terms of the economy, and specifically Epstein. And all of this, you know, you might be wondering why maybe no other outlets are picking this stuff up. And that could be due to the dubious nature of the New York Post's sourcing on these claims, but also the fact that DeviantArt automatically lists a user's pronouns as they, them, as the default setting if pronouns are not specified. This is the setting that everyone gets. You have to actively try to change it.

There is no indication Thomas Crooks specifically set pronouns to they them. He is not a transgender extremist. He, like many Gen Z people, is aware of furry art online. This is very common. This is a very common thing. But the post had a few other things. They tried to wrap this story around to give it some credibility, including this post from,

the devian art alleged to belong to Thomas Crooks, which is a picture of someone shooting someone else in the head, which the

York Post calls another artwork appear to feature a shooting against a backdrop of the trans flag colors. This is not the trans flag,

nor the trans flag colors. This is a blue and purple background. What? Purple is not in the trans flag colors.

You can maybe argue this is magenta, maybe. But this is not a trans flag. This is not a LGBTQ pride flag. This isn't even the bisexual flag, which does use these same colors. This is just like a sky blue and a magenta purple backdrop, which they are trying to frame as further evidence of Thomas Crook's transgender ties.

But what is kind of interesting is as a part of the social media accounts alleged to be linked to crooks that have appeared in new reporting from both the New York Post and Tucker Carlson's own news outlet but as a part of this reporting on Crook's possible online background included a collection of search

results or like search history from April of 2019 to May of 2020 which lines up with stuff that me and Robert have been talking about for a while in that this guy seemed to have the ideology or non-ideology

of a school shooter. This is the actual through line across this act of violence. These searches include, quote, crazy chemical reactions, deadliest mass shootings in the world, people attacking pride parades, cars running over protesters, getting away with racism,

best places for a mass shooting, Pulse Nightclub, Pulse Nightclub police body camera, mass shooting El Paso, mass shooting, Trump Civil War, Trump Church shooting video, guns versus protesters, Orlando shooting reaction, Why I'm Missing Handgun,

firing an AR-15 as fast as possible, fertilizer bomb, how do you use a tourniquet, how to make napalm, Maltov cocktail, how to make Maltov cocktail, mixing gasoline with styrofoam, mass shooting Canada,

Oklahoma bombing, sniper in Dallas shooting, unquote. Man, he was having real trouble hitting with his pistol, huh? Yeah, yeah. And his rifle, it turns out. Probably choking up too much

on the trigger, I'd guess. Yeah, many such cases. Yeah. Yeah, but that's a pretty clear theme that you've established there, Garrison. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you see this in some way being like a, not necessarily an actual precursor, but in the same vein that some of these like TCC people later would, you know, start developing these past few years of this just obsession with doing violence, this obsession with mass killings, with bombings. And some of it takes the form of like, you know, what looks like political violence, like the Oklahoma City bombing. But. A lot of it is very nihilistic. That's all I have on the explosive reporting from the New York Post. Great. Great.

I don't know how to segue from that list of Google searches to tariff talk, but you know what I've been searching for is this music. So this is actually a very, this has been a very, very light week on tariff news. It is almost entirely composed of people arguing about whether you're going to get the tariff check, which, no, you're not. You're not going to get a check from the government with tariff money. It's just not happening. So I thought I'd take a second to pull out and look at some of the macro stuff that's happening in the economy. and look at why it feels like a recession, even though there isn't one.

And the answer is that you and me and everyone in this room and probably most of the people Sistically listening to this podcast are effectively in a recession. And the reason I can say this is that there's pretty good numbers from the Harvard economist Jason Furman, who points out that if you look at, so, Okay, so recession is three consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth, right? And this is not like a perfect economic indicator. But, you know, as Jason Furrin points out,

92% of GDP growth in the first half of this year is in a category that's called information processing equipment and software. And so, okay, what is that? That is all data center. It's all data center construction. It is 92%. of all of our GDP growth.

Well, the good news is that, for example, Oracle didn't just make a big deal with OpenAI to provide them with computing resources. And after making this $300 billion deal has dropped $315 billion in valuation. Like, that didn't happen, obviously. Like, these are things are good in an AI world. There's not a bunch of people pulling their money out

of Nvidia as fast as they can. Oh, yeah. we're getting to that yeah one of them again Peter Thiel pulling his money out right now getting all this shit out yeah get your shit out fucking Michael Burry is now shorting the AI industry I will say this the Michael Burry short thing is literally the only thing

that I've ran into that actually makes me be like that Michael Burry versus the AI industry is like really truly is the great duel of the stoppable force and the movable object yeah like that's we're We're not dealing with, like, world-rending titans here. But, you know, we are going to get a sequel to the big short that's going to really struggle to be entertaining. Because with the big short, what was fun was these guys realizing how fucked this, like, system based on, like, really bad, like, trenches of debt and how badly it was going to fuck the economy.

And with AI, it's just going to be, like, literally everyone in the world, except for the people in media and politics being like, this seems like a fucking grip. this seems bad and them all being like no no no bro trust me no no no and then it all goes to shit yeah i'm gonna do a full episode about this at some point there's a really good um interview on a on a bloombird podcast called odd thoughts with was kind of paul cadroski who points out that well hey he has a great line about calling this like the super bubble basically where it's it's every single kind of speculative bubble rolled into one because all these data centers are being financed with like the with the equivalent of mortgage back securities yeah these are these are

subprime loans for tech companies right like that's that's what's financing all of this yeah and then these buildings right it's also it's also a real estate bubble because all of these data centers are taking a ridiculous amount of real estate there's a tech bubble and the single thing that and again we're going to do a longer episode about this later the single thing that's the most unhinged to me about this and it's you know even even excluding the fact that you know all of these processors that they're using in these data centers burned out after about a year and a half because they're just running them constantly is that if you look at like the the housing collapse in 2008 right and you look at what was underlying all of those bad assets there were houses

there right at the end of the day all of these banks can go in and they can take your house and that's really bad obviously but what is the underlying assets for all of these tranches of all these tranches of debt. The underlying asset that you're supposed to be taking, you know, that's supposed to be the collateral is compute power. Yeah. Now. No. No. It seems fine. This is not a real asset. It's fine because people can live in the computer power and we all need to live in a computer power. So it's fine. It's not like. Yeah. Look, the the bad news is things are going to be really bad for a lot of people. Oh, yeah, and they already are.

Probably most people, and they're going to get worse. The good news is once we get past, you know, if this is the way the dot-com bubble went, right? Once we get past this crash that's brought on by, you know, a mix of greed and insanity and ignorance and lies, then we can finally get to the internet changing society in only positive ways, which is what happened after the dot-com bubble, you know, we got that. Facebook, we got Google, we got Twitter, we got Instagram, we got all of these great apps that have made our lives nothing but better, you know? So I'm looking forward.

Grumble, getter, God, how could I forget getter? Yeah, wouldn't be furries if there wasn't deviant art with the devian art, exactly. How would we know who was trying to get the president without deviant art? And what their pronouns were. And what their pronouns may have been. Well, I do, I do want to make a serious note about this, because I've seen a lot of people who compare this to the dot-com bubble, and this is so much worse. Because the dot-com bubble, and you look at the telecom bubble afterwards, right, there were actual assets there, right? You know, like the only way people talk about this is like, there was pets.com, but there was real stuff, too.

Yeah, real pets. And, you know, when a telecom bubble goes under, right, there's still a whole bunch of, like, fiber optic networks that they've set up that you could, you know, people with a bunch of money afterwards can come scrape. up, and there's the material base of something here. These data centers, there's nothing. They're not practical if the, and this is what the reason, because our colleague Ed Zetron had a big scoop last week that's getting a shitload of attention right now for good reason, which is that inference cost has been raising consistently for Open AI, which is increasing their, like it's fucking their margins and it's increasing their losses, which

is why they keep losing more money each quarter. And the idea behind why people thought Open AI could be a good business is that these inference costs, which is basically the cost that it takes to keep making the models better, right, that that was going to decline once they hit a certain level that like you're not going to need to, it's super expensive to get the models to a point where they're good, but once they're good, then they get to be really cheap. And that's not really true based on the data that we have. And they were lying about it, kind of. They were not in a way that was legally actionable. They're not a publicly traded company. They were not required to release this to the public. It does seem like they were honest with their investors like Microsoft,

right? They were lying to us, right, to regular people in order to pretend this was a business that had a lot better of a shot of being successful in the way it needs to be. The problem with AI as a money thing is not that there's no profit in this. It's not that there's no use for any of these tools. There are many uses and there are many potential businesses. It's that none of them equal trillion

dollars, which is the minimum that they need to be profitable. Right? And these data centers are all based on the bet that no, no, actually this is a multi-trillion dollar industry and we need this much compute. Right. And this is the greatest

misallocation of capital in human history. There has never been anything like this. There has never been this much of the capital on earth poured into nothing. Because there's not even physical assets left, right? The physical assets are burned out graphics cards. Because a lot of these data centers aren't built and they don't last. Yeah. Right?

That's what we're going to do. Like, yes, they have a building. They have a building you can run power to, but the graphics cards don't last. Yeah. And at the end of this, right, you have a bunch of buildings that don't do anything attached to like extremely expensive diesel generators. And I am praying, the one thing that makes you be like,

I hope this goes down quickly, is that I am praying that this bubble goes down before they actually start trying to build nuclear, like really, truly get off the ground, building a bunch of nuclear reactors? Because can you imagine these guys who created a computer

that can't win at chess trying to build nuclear reactors? I think we should let them do it. Agreed. Fuck it. Why not? I long for stalker. No.

I mean, it's one of the, this is like the point that is meaningful here is that after the dot com bubble, you were able to have a massive boom that created a bunch of wealth. It created wealth doing things that were often super bad for society. But it created a shitload of wealth because real infrastructure had been put in place that actually enabled the whole country to get connected. It enabled the birth of like the mobile computing revolution and whatnot because a lot of groundwork had been laid that was really meaningful. even though a number of the businesses involved in it didn't work out. And that's really not what we're seeing because it's hard to imagine assuming there's not a multi-trillion dollar need for AI, assuming everyone isn't going to do everything for the rest of their lives through AI agents and do all of their thinking through chat GPT, unless that's the

reality we're in, these are not good investments. And the only thing I can compare it to in terms of what you were saying about this being the worst allocation of capital in history, because I've been reading a lot about like, the nuclear arms race, and it was one of those things where you go from, we've dropped tens of thousands of bombs over the course of five years to, if we were to accidentally launch these 10 missiles, it would be more explosive power than has ever been detonated in the entire history of human war, added together up to the present moment, right? Like that is the, because of, and part of this was enabled by the actual, like, internet

boom, right? The one that brought about Web 2.0 in the social media era, right? Like all of that wealth and all of the money that poured into these VCs who'd gotten on board companies like Facebook, that had to be created to allow something this irrational. Because 20 years ago, if the technology had been there, there wouldn't have been the money to enable this kind of insanity. Yeah. Well, and I think that the last thing, I mean, I guess there's two more things that I want to say about this. one is that, you know, this is also part of the cyclical economic crises that we've been looking at since the 70s, which is that one of the ways you get these bubbles is that there are suddenly these unbelievably massive trillion dollar pool, like trillions of dollars of pools of capital that you're trying to find something to invest in, right? You have to reproduce it. And this is one of the things that causes, for example, the third world debt crisis in the 70s is all of this capital flows into all of these, their world debt thing. And it eventually this is this is one of the things that powers first the Japanese giant housing bubble that they did that caused the Asian market collapse in the 90s and then caused 2008 is that

there's all these pools of capital they have to turn into more capital and they can't do it and when they can't do it you get 2008 right and they've been able to sort of hang on for about a decade a decade and a half ish roughly because there was so much money coming in from this from this tech sector, but everyone outside of the tech sector, it sucks. It's bad. So this is part of the reason why everything feels unhinged right now, right? Like, okay, there's obviously kind of a problem with trying to track employment data just by seeing news of firings because companies just do firings because it makes their stocks go up because it makes investors think they're being more efficient, which is nonsense.

But it's why it feels like this is why you feel broke and everyone is like talking about how the economy is growing. And it's like, well, yeah, this really small sector of tech has accumulated an unfathomable amount of wealth, and they are getting very, very rich, and everyone else is fucked. And when this bubble collapse, when these people take all of the money they got out of tech

and have thrown it into the metaverse and AI, when that blows up, it is going to be cataclysmic, and we're getting closer to it. Yeah, the only one of them that will be left is Gabe Newell, sitting on his insane yachts. Finally releasing Half-Life 3.

He could probably appoint himself dictator for life after that. Yeah, he'll be the only one with money left. What else will he do? All of the money is in Gabe Newell's pockets. The only asset is steam. We've had it replace the military now. This is, basically, the plot of Yu-Gi-O. You think I'm joking.

I've actually died. No, I never paid attention to you. The plot of Yu-Giot is the card game becomes so profitable that the guy who runs the card game company fights a battle with all the entire built-ro industrial complex and defeats them because he's making more money than they are. Okay. This is the plot of Yu-Gi-O. Yeah, I guess I think that sounds better than what we're doing. Yeah. Yeah.

We can't get as far without mentoring tulip mania. Yeah, sure. The perfect historical comparison, right? No one. You can eat a tulip bulb if you really have to. I think they're poisonous. I don't think you can eat a tulip bowl. I don't know.

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I got judged horribly. The judges were like, you're trash. I don't know how you got on the show. Boo, somebody had tomatoes. I'm kidding. But if they had tomatoes, they would have thrown the tomatoes. Let's be honest. We've all had those moments we'd rather forget.

It. We bumped our head. We made a mistake. The deal fell through. We're embarrassed. We failed. But this podcast is about that and how we made it through. So when they sat me down, they were kind of like, we got into the small talk. And they were just like, so what do you got? What? What ideas? And I was like, oh, no. What? Check out not my best moment with me, Kevin on stage on the Iheart radio app, Apple podcast, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, we're back. And I am going to talk about a number of things. I guess the first thing I should talk about is the sanctions and FTO's designation for various leftist groups in Europe. There are four entities that the State Department has announced. They've already been sanctioned and I believe they'll be added to the FTO list either today or tomorrow as we're recording this.

So it will be on the foreign terrorist organization list by the time you hear this on Friday. The four entities are called Antifa Ost, aka Hamabund, Hammagang, the Informal Anacus Federation. That's an Italian group. They use the initials F-A-I. Also, they use F-R-I. That is not the same as the F-A-I that you're familiar with from the Spanish Civil War, if that's your thing. and then two Greek groups called Armed Proletarian Justice and Revolutionary Class Self-Defense.

Notes on the names, guys. I guess I shouldn't, but I have notes on the names. Yeah, well, I mean, Robert, they're European leftist groups. It's going to be... Yeah, yeah, of course. It's going to be as many syllables as they can possibly have, yeah. Yeah, it is an alphabet soup. So a couple of notable things here.

The U.S. doesn't seem to have coordinated with the states where these entities exist. For example, the German government, they prosecuted people who they've accused of being members of Antifa Ost recently, I think it was in September, and they claimed that the threat of violence for them has, quote, decreased significantly, which is contradicting, right, the claim that these are violent groups. The State Department, when it talks about Antifa Oz, talks about a series of attacks in February of 2023. What's missing from the analysis of February 2003 is what was happening in February 2023. It was an event in Hungary

which existed to honour Nazis. I don't mean Nazis like people who have a right-wing political ideology. I mean like members of the NSDAP in Germany who fought in World War II at the time when they were doing the Holocaust. The rally included several groups which were already sanctioned by US allies including Blood and Honor, Combat 18. Jesus.

I'm not going to go into an in-depth history of either of those groups. They're neo-Nazi groups, right? That 18 is Adolf Hitler, 1-8. These are the people who are, as far as I'm aware, the victims of that February 2023 violence, right? Notably, though, Antifa Ost was sanctioned by Hungary earlier this year, right? Hungary under Orban, fast moving to war. words, extremely right-wing,

I didn't think what political scientists like to call it an illiberal democracy, right? This sucks to hear. I mean, with this news, I feel like we might need to pull out of Victor Orban Presents Hungary for comedy, the upcoming Cool Zone headlined comedy festival. Yeah, so many of our famous comedian friends have been planning to join us.

Yeah, we are doing that show in Riyadh, though. Oh, that's still on? Yeah, that's still a lot. The other groups aren't explicitly anti-fascist, right? Because this is getting framed to support of Trump's anti-Antifa crackdown. Yeah. I was trying to find foreign terrorist organizations linked to Antifa. But these other three groups are not explicitly like Antifa in name or scope, it seems.

No, exactly right. So most of them are anarchist groups, right? And just to delve very briefly in two lines into things I have literally written a book about. anti-fascism is a left unity position derived from the common term position that it adopted its Congress in 1935. These groups do not call themselves anti-fascist, right? There is a distinction between anarchism and anti-fascism, which can be seen very acutely in the May 1937 events of the Spanish Civil War. But these groups have neither claimed anti-fascism, nor as far as I'm aware, have any of them killed anyone? I believe that the Antifa Ost people being prosecuted,

one of them is being prosecuted for attempted murder. In other cases, they have been responsible for explosions or attempted bombings. Normally to be designated in FTO, they would have to be a threat to either U.S. people or the United States as an entity, right? There doesn't appear to be any evidence that these groups have any ties to anyone in the United States or present any immediate danger to the United States. I don't quite know where they got these particular groups from. It's so weird. It's a completely baffling list of groups, like even looking at like Greek anarchist groups.

I mean, my guess is that someone in the Trump administration has a friend in Orban's administration and ask them, hey, who are some antifas we can go after that you guys, like, you know Europe? Yeah, the Greek anarchist groups specifically are some of the more interesting inclusions here. They're not the Greek anarchist groups you would expect them to be going after. It's very weird. Yeah, like, they're not groups I was familiar with. Like, admittedly, you know, I don't speak Greek. I don't, I don't read Greek.

I don't pay that much attention to that part of the world. But, like, there are other groups which are more notorious. Like, it's very odd that they've come up with. The Antifa Ostwan, I agree, Garrison. I think the lineage is more obvious, yeah. But the other three, yeah, I'm not entirely. clear on how they got to those. If any of, you know, contact us if you have ideas.

The other terrorist designation that happened this week, which is breaking, as we record on Wednesday the 19th of November, is that Greg Abbott has declared care, this Center for American Islamic Relations and the Muslim Brotherhood as foreign terrorist organizations. Jesus. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Texas doesn't appear to have an FTO list as far as I can tell.

What this seems to be is a designation under SB 17, which passed earlier this year, which relates to property law. It would stop the Muslim Brotherhood or care as a National 501c3 renting or buying property in Texas. I'm not sure the Muslim Brotherhood intended to rent or buy property in Texas. And most of SB 17 deals with like nationals and entities linked to like China, Russia and North Korea. It's trying to not have them by large chunks of Texas. But it also does have this mechanism in it. So just Muslim Brotherhood is a Sunni Islamist organization. It has participated in violence, but not for some time.

It has its origins in Egypt. It does a lot of like social programming care. Most people will be familiar with, right? Care has already issued a response letter. and in their letter, they said, quote, your proclamation has no basis in law or fact. You do not have the authority to utilize when you declare any Americans

or American institutions terrorist groups, nor is there any basis to level this smear against our organization. It's probably worth noting that there was a DOJ investigation into epic. Not that epic, the one you're thinking of probably, but this is the El Paso Islamic Center. That investigation was closed, right? but this is not the first time that they have attempted to

it's just very clearly in Islamophobia out of Texas, right? Like that is what this is. This is also just an ancient sort of Obama-era conspiracy where all of these people were all convinced that Obama was part of the Muslim Brotherhood and that there was this whole network of Muslim Brotherhood operatives that were like running the country

and really sort of if you squint hard enough, it was like, well, there's a bunch of people from the UAE who are kind of involved in some stuff but this is like one of their they're kind of fusing this old school like old old school is homophobic stuff with their like

kind of very specific current contemporary targets by sort of running these two together yeah me is right I think Ted Cruz has tried to get the Muslim Brotherhood on the FTO list like several times yet there's this old like from like the golden age of right wing conspiracies right Like the Bohemian Grove era, there's this idea that, yeah, they're on like a, it's like a 50 or 100 year plan to bring the U.S. under Sharia law.

And like, it's, it's, it's boomer stuff. Yes, combined with now trying to explicitly link them to Hamas, right? So, yeah, that, that is great. That's not great. I would disagree, James. I think that's not great. I'll be brave enough to say it. Don't love it.

No, it is a, it's an assault on the first. Amendment. Like the stuff... The inclusion of care is like is absolutely outrageous. Yeah, care is a very respectability for like a civil rights organization. Like a liberal civil rights organization. They're the least threatening organization in the world. Yeah. No, like

and they have advocated for an end to the genocide of people in Palestine which is a perfectly reasonable and legal thing to advocate for. They have not expressed support for political violence. Yeah, care is like as as protected by the First Amendment

as things can be in this country. This is bonkers. So, yeah, I guess care is already presumably preparing a court case. In other Texas news, a three-panel judge in Texas just struck down Texas's newly drawn congressional map in federal court

with Trump appointed judge Jeffrey Brown finding that, quote, substantial evidence shows that Texas racially gerrymandered the 2025 map, unquote. The judge has required Texas use its previous 2021 map for the

upcoming midterm elections. What's really funny here is that before the elections in November, where the California redistricting measure was up for vote, Newsom specifically removed language in that measure

that framed the California redistricting as a triggering event. As in, if the Texas one passes, then the California one can go into effect. You specifically removed this. Yeah, the trigger language wasn't there. Which means that California now doesn't wiped out five Republican seats. And Texas probably won't be able to do anything about it.

There's still a challenge. The California GOP are also trying to challenge. Yes, and this Texas case is set to be heard before the Supreme Court. There's a few other redistricting measures, I think, in Louisiana and a... in North Carolina. A few other states are trying to do this. But there is a possible future in which Texas is not allowed

to racially gerrymander and California is able to go forward with their redistricting because it may not have been specifically violating this racial gerrymandering aspect that Judge Jeffrey Brown found was affecting the Texas maps intentionally.

The GOP claim is that California is quote favoring Hispanic voters. That's going... It's going to be a harder landing to stick, right? Given that there are Latino people in every square mile of California. Like, it's going to be a rougher one for them. And specifically the stuff that Judge Brown found

is like in the way that these districts were redrawn, it was to totally exclude non-white voters in some of these districts. All right, one for the train fans in the audience. A section of railway that connects wars to Lublin in southeast and Poland, which then connects onto Ukraine, was destroyed by an explosion earlier this week. Overhead cables further down the track were also damaged. This comes as drone incursions into European airspace continue. Donald Tusk, the Polish Prime Minister,

called the Axe Sabotage, and it seems extremely likely that he is correct about that. I guess we haven't explicitly covered this on ED very much, but there have been dozens. of documented Russian operations in Europe since the expanded invasion of Ukraine that began in 2021. What's concerning to me about this is that Europe is responding to some of these by accusing Russia of trying to, quote, destabilize policies by sending migrants there. It's likely true that Russia is messing with migration flows. I mean, it is demonstrably true in some cases, right? Responding to this by hardening borders, deploying troops to borders, is not the solution to that problem. Europe's iron border kills more people than any other border. And

hardening that border is only going to kill more people. Like, if you want to be the shining city on a hill, right, if you want to be, I think that title is maybe up for grabs, if you want to be the place that stands out as like a safe place for democracy, you don't do that by killing migrants. And so Europe's response to this is extremely disappointing, right? And I wanted to highlight that because I don't see that in the coverage. Yes, Russia escalating, it's meddling in Europe, is extremely concerning. But like, if we accept that Russia is a totalitarian state or going in that direction, then we should also therefore accept that people are going to want to leave that in many other states where they cannot have autonomy, where they cannot live

healthy and full lives. And we should welcome them. Talking of people leaving places where they cannot have autonomy and have full and happy lives, let's talk about immigration in the United States very quickly. Border Patrol named Gregory Bovino have moved their internal enforcement, I of Sauron, to Charlotte, North Carolina. This seems, in large part, due to some racists on X.com, demanding that they do so. I shouldn't say in large part, I guess, in some part. There has been video already showing Bovino participating in detentions at a home depot.

car park. I've said two words there, which of course one of my colleagues are smirky giggle at me. I stand by both of them. So yeah, it is in part, right, due to X.com, the everything website being a haven for racism. But I think it's also worth noting in 2018, Democrat sheriffs in five North Carolina counties ran on the platform of not cooperating with ICE. All of these, I believe, were black sheriffs. And ICE pushed back hard, right, including with a billboard campaign. Last year, the North Carolina Republican state legislature overrode a veto to pass HB10, which required agencies to cooperate with ICE and honor their detainers.

A detainer is basically when ICE is like, hey, you've arrested this person. We want you to hold them for a bit longer so we can come pick them up for ICE reasons. Since then, Meckleburg County Sheriff McFadden has claimed that ICE has failed to collect people on detainers 163 times. So this would be, they would normally have a 48-hour detainer, right? They'd hold them 48 extra hours

I should come get. When they are held on the detainer, it is still the state that is responsible for them. It is a state that is paying for the cost of incarcerating that person. It is the state that is still incarcerating that person, right? This has led, I guess,

to Republicans claiming that McFadden is ignoring his obligation under HB10. McFadden says he isn't. he is holding them for the duration of the retainer, but then releasing them when no one comes to get them, right? This has led to, like, CIS, right, the Centre for Immigration Studies,

and SPLC has designated it as a hate group. CIS has listed Charlotte and Mecklenburg County on its map of quote-unquote sanctuary jurisdictions. There's a link to the map if you want to look at it. They actually cite the 2018 policy and don't even mention HB10, so it's unclear to me if they haven't updated this map or if they just believe that nothing has changed

because they believe that HB10 is being ignored. I think that might be a lot of the reason why we're seeing this now. Then finally, I want to talk about something local to Southern California in Tomecula, north of San Diego. A 17-year-old boy was pulled over at gunpoint by a man who was known to locals as an ICE agent. The man does not appear to have been in his professional capacity at this time. Neighbors were able to de-escalate the situation and get Gerardo Rodriguez. the man in question to stop pointing his gun at the teen.

L.A. Taco got video of this. It is wild. The guy is just in the middle of the road with a handgun pointing at a truck that's driving down the street. Rodriguez accuses the young man, he's 17 years old and we're going to say his name, right? He's a child of speeding in the neighborhood, not generally something that warrants drawing a firearm. Rodriguez was detained by the Riverside County Sheriff's Office. I believe he's bonded out now.

But this is an interesting development, right? Elsewhere, like in Santa Ana, an agent pulled a gun on a community watch member. Fullerton Police on the scene did not detain the person. They also refused to assist, right? They just kind of were present. But this is one of the few cases I'm aware of an ICE agent. There was someone else arrested in LA, who I believe died. I believe that was a Border Patrol agent.

that person unfortunately passed away of an overdose. But this is one of the first instances I've seen of this, right? Like a kind of a state federal, a direct confrontation where this guy appears to have been pseudo-claiming that he was acting under his like authority as an ice agent. That's not entirely clear to me. The young man's parents rushed to the scene with the young man's passport. But by that point, neighbors had already been able to de-escalate.

So, yeah, I'm going to keep an eye on this because I think it's interesting. All right, this week we have a fundraiser from Borderlands Relief Collective. I know they're helping a lot of people who need a lot of help right now. Some folks whose roofs are really struggling to keep up with the recent rainstorms that we've had in Southern California. They have an Amazon wish list. The URL is too long for me to read out to you.

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