It Could Happen Here - Fixing Our Dirt

Episode Date: September 22, 2021

We talk soil cultivation, ecology, and food systems with help from Andy of The Poor Prole Almanac. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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kind of like our podcast. Hopefully not like our soil. Hopefully, well, I got some bad news for you there. Some of us are not great at cultivating soil, which is what we are talking about today is how to avoid getting, well, not avoid, like how can we help against our soil just blowing away? Yeah, that is our discussion. I wrapped up like a week of research on California's specific climate

and drought and what all the farmers are doing. And a lot of their soil is blowing away. And so far their solution to that is just spray more water on it which the problem is there's not tons of water so let's talk about dirt let's talk about soil I will hand it over to the

resident soy boy the soil expert here because I don't know what I'm talking about with dirt my puns are getting famous I know I have that was that was don't know what I'm talking about with dirt. My puns are getting famous. I know. That was just, I was just ripping off a title of one of his episodes. So that's not original. Blame him for the pun.

Sorry. I do that a lot. So in terms of building soil, there's, it's really a basic idea of how to do it. There's, it's really a basic idea of how to do it. And it generally comes down to understanding what a soil needs and how to let the soil build through rest. And generally speaking, when we plant our annual crops, what happens is you put your tomato plants in the ground, whatever it might be, you get a great harvest, you let them die, clear them out.

And then the next year, maybe you throw some more compost on it or maybe you're like yeah i just don't have time i won't do it and you'll grow and you might have a pretty decent crop again and then usually by like the third year you start to notice that your plants just aren't doing as well like all the nutrients and the minerals have started to get taken out of the soil so you can either continuously add new material to it which comes from somewhere. Doesn't seem very sustainable. Yeah, it's absolutely not sustainable. And the alternative is to think about how can I build up

that soil without doing that. And there's a couple different ways we can do that. The soil can get built from things like cover crops. So we can add cover crops, generally things like nitrogen fixing plants, clovers, hairy vetch, and a number of others that we can use to help fix nitrogen into the soil. Or we can add other things to add biomass. So certain grasses and things like that can be planted. And they'll mine deep into the soil to pull up nutrients. When they die off, or you can cut them down, they start breaking down. They return those nutrients back, but they're on the topsoil now. So that's another way we can do it. Alternatively, if we're talking about a little bit more land, you can take

advantage of using animals. So chickens, rabbits, sheep, cows, whatever it might be, reintroduce nutrients back into the soil through things like rotational grazing. And there's a, you know, that that's a whole other subject of, you know, how different methods are better or worse for fixing nitrogen and all the other nutrients back into the soil. And we can talk about it. I don't know if you want to spend an hour talking about it. I assume that definitely depends on the scale of your operation i would assume absolutely and you can do that on a smaller scale not necessarily cows but like chickens yeah chickens can be run through chicken tractors which can be as small as

you know three feet by six feet and we're making yeah we were making some fertilizer a few months ago, and basically we raked up... Well, I watched as people did this because I was lazy. I watched people just rake up tons of sheep shit because there's a little sheep set up, and they were just raking up all the shit and putting it into a pile of dirt. And now it's been like a month or two, and we should have some okay fertilizer by now,

which we can use however we see fit. But chickens, chickens do well. Not everyone probably has sheep or access to sheep. But chickens are surprisingly easy to get. Yeah, and depending on the city you're in uh you can live in pretty dense places and still legally have chickens you might have to get comfortable with the idea of slaughtering a rooster but other than that you know there's it's funny because what you'll see is like in the early spring everyone gets chickens and then by like

july you'll on on craigslist or Facebook or Instagram, everyone's like, free rooster to good home because they can't slaughter themselves. Yeah, I've had to watch a few roosters get the old axe. There was this one rooster that would always wake up as we were all going to bed. We would have like a movie night. And we're like going to bed at 4 a.m.

And that's when the rooster starts. And we're like, no, we're trying to sleep. And we're like, we need to kill that rooster. It's time to. It only takes one bad day to be like, I cannot listen to that sound again. At least it went to some good use yeah anyway back to dirt yeah let's see where were we talking about reintroducing stuff via you know chemical means i mean or or just using animals and stuff or or rotating plants yeah so there there's a

bunch of different ways you can do it and obviously it's all defined by what your site needs. You know, the way we're talking at this point has been mostly about like you already have a garden and that soil needs to be amended to improve it. But if you're working with, say, a site that has almost no topsoil. So, for example, a friend of mine out in California lives near a highway and they scraped all the topsoil around the highway to build up the highway. So now there's no topsoil. It's just garbage. So how do you build that soil up? And there's a bunch of different ways we can do that, whether it's through taking advantage of

free resources like mulch, like if you see a tree getting cut down and they chip it all up, those guys have to pay to get rid of it most of the time, or they get paid just enough to cover their gas. So if you see it down the street and say, hey, you want to drop it off at my house, they'll happily do it. Yeah, we just found out there is this business in Portland that you can email them to do a chip drop where they take all of their mulch and wood chips and drop them off in your driveway. And it's completely free. You don't need to pay for it. You can just schedule them to drop it off anywhere. And a short aside, we also found out

that they don't require address verification. So you can do this as a prank. You can find out where the mayor lives or where, I don't know, a particularly bad person lives. Let's say he wears armor and he brutalizes people and threatens them with guns while having a badge. You can find out, if you know where he lives, you can just deliver tons of wood chips right on his driveway.

And they have a rule on their website, is once a delivery has been initiated, so once the truck leaves their office, it cannot be stopped. There's no way preventing it. And they don't contact the house beforehand. No way preventing it. Just a random wood chip drop anywhere in any driveway. It's a magical system.

But you can also just use this for getting wood chips to help grow things. Yeah, and mulch is such an underrated medium. It's really good for water retention and helping soil not dry out too fast it's it's not just like aesthetically nice looking and accessible it's also like really good for the plants so i'll add two caveats to that and the first is that it's really important to know what species you're dealing with that are the wood chips because certain species have chemicals in them that will reduce growth or stop it completely. So like black walnuts are really well known on the East Coast as having what's called juglone. And there's a bunch of

different species that again, are probably unique to where you live that you should just be aware of. And the second one is that mulch and wood chips are fantastic for your garden. However, the one drawback is that for the wood chips to break down, they actually utilize a lot of the nitrogen in the soil. So that's just, so you may have a bit of a nitrogen problem or some kind of nitrogen fixing. So it'd be more important to think about cover crops and either adding fresh compost or whatever it might be to help offset some of that nitrogen absorption. So it's a great resource.

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Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I would like to touch on why we're in a bit of a pickle. What have we done agriculturally to kind of make our soil so unfragile? What did we do wrong, even on a larger scale? And how might someone like me, who just has a small setup, not make the same mistakes in my own personal garden? Sure. So the beginning of the food system becoming what it is today, really started with oil. Access to things like petrochemicals allowed us to start rethinking

about how we grew food and forgetting about traditional methods primarily things like using manure i mean you think about it you eat all the nutrients go out the sewer and then they never go back into the soil and we're constantly taking from the same soils year after year and the only way we continue to produce is because we're dumping chemicals and forcing the soil which is just a medium at this point just dirt it's not soil because we're dumping chemicals and forcing the soil, which is just a medium at this point, just dirt, it's not soil. And we're just making it grow food because we're adding the chemicals the plants need. But we've destroyed things like the bacterial community, the fungi community, all these different things that are so crucial for our food systems to be

resilient. In terms of how can we move forward building that soil is super important and understanding these cycles of where our food comes from the the biggest challenge really is that we're trying to create ethical food systems under an unethical economic model sure so like you'll see like permaculture is like a really big thing today and for a lot of good reasons because it challenges that methodology however because of things like capitalism we can't really have an honest conversation about the fact that a lot of people will tell you you can make money doing permaculture and you some people do but it's not it's not really what people think. Like there's no way to ethically grow food and not have the problems of. Yeah.

You're you're facing or competing with somebody that doesn't have any ethical guidelines or framework that you have to compete with. And I mean, there's plenty of things we can say that there are problems with permaculture. And if you want, we can talk about that further. But this is the primary reason why we can't really fundamentally rethink our food system until things either fall apart or capitalism no longer exists or there are major subsidies for these alternatives whatever it might be yeah let's see like is even something like would you even say just like someone buying pre-made fertilizer should be avoided in that case?

Would you rather someone try to make it ourselves? And what's cheaper? Is just buying fertilizer cheaper than having to actually make it yourself? Which is another kind of problem with these types of things, that it turns out the way to make things better might cost some people more money than people who don't really have as many resources. Just like a regular person who's trying to do this, you know, they don't have as much money and would would just buying pre made chemicals be, you know, easier and cheaper

than doing work to kind of build it up more like, quote, unquote, naturally. I mean, obviously, I think under capitalism, anything that's efficient in terms of time and taking advantage of things like scalability, which, you know, mining nutrients is always going to be more efficient when you're doing it on a massive global scale. Like you really can't compete dollar for dollar. And that's at least with what I do with the Poor Pearls Almanac. We don't really focus on that and instead say, this is how things should be. And how do we do that? And when do we need to start doing that? If we know that what exists today isn't sustainable and that ultimately this is gonna

fall apart in some capacity. Yeah. You talked more about like trees specifically, and I would love to hear more about that, you know, outside of just, you know, making your own like edible garden, doing other kind of ecology related work. Sure. So trees have, you know, so many benefits outside of the fact that they can produce food. look at things like how they can manage a landscape and reduce temperature extremes, the way they can maintain soil quality because of reducing things like runoff from major storms, which are happening more and more frequently. Yeah. Further, like I said, they do produce food and they sometimes they produce food for us. Sometimes they produce food for our livestock. Additionally, there's a process called silvopasture, which is essentially when you think of a farm, you think of a cow walking around in a field.

Instead, that cow's walking around in a managed forest and the forest floor gets enough sunlight to grow grass. So you're getting the benefits of the grass as well as the trees. And you can either be using those trees for lumber or for food crops or whatever it might be. And you're getting the best of both worlds. And in a lot of ways, the silvopasture system more accurately represents the way the landscape had been managed, especially here in the Northeast, and generally the East Coast by indigenous people. You know, they weren't using cows, they were doing prescribed burns and things

like that but those environments are actually better for things like deer which like to like to exist on like the margins of forests where they're getting the best of both worlds so that was how they managed a wild essentially they were wild grazing the the native species yeah and we just i'm just trying to think there's like we we don't really have anything like that on a on a large scale anymore we've we've just jumped right into like the the field and pasture thing yeah i mean you think about it it makes sense that we haven't because of the fact that to do that requires individuality in terms of how we manage a landscape. You can't run a machine through a silvopasture. You can't just make like a template and apply it to every situation.

Everything is much more unique based on their individual environment and ecosystem. Yeah. And then it becomes less efficient to manage in terms of how we manage things as a successional thing where we have you go through the field and you seed it with a giant machine because you can do it faster that way you can add whatever amendments you need more quickly when it's just a flat piece of land with nothing in the way so on and so on it just it doesn't it goes right in the face of how we think of efficiency despite the fact through its diversity it's more resilient to what's coming in terms of climate change. Especially in the long run. Yeah. Yeah. In the last episode, we talked a bit about guerrilla gardening. Can this like intersect with with this idea of like growing in the forest?

Is there you know, I assume there's like a decent crossover there. Absolutely. So generally speaking, a lot of people that are into silvopasture are also thinking about things like tree crops. And one of into silvopasture are also thinking about things like tree crops. And one of the things that I really focus on is thinking about foods that we don't traditionally think of as foods, or at least not as like staple crops. So like while people might be familiar with kind of the odd fruits like persimmons, you might know what a persimmon is, you might have one or two or maybe make persimmon bread.

That's not usually a large part of anyone's diet. And that's the challenge that we really have is while people like to incorporate these types of things in permaculture into how they think about their relationship with the environment, nobody's giving up their toast in the morning. And that's a third of your diet or whatever it might be. And that's where we need to fundamentally shift how we think about food. So you're saying that we need to change in order to address these large systemic issues that have caused many problems, we need to change the way we extract resources from the earth and maybe reevaluate how much we do so. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's no small feat is what I'm saying. I know, I'm just saying like, you know, and diet is the same root problem we have with climate change on a larger scale of just doing progress for progress' sake without realizing that this is not a sustainable way to do things.

And infinite growing and like infinite expansion maybe is a bad idea yeah and maybe it has some consequence who has some consequences yeah who would have thought that infinite growth on a finite planet wasn't sustainable oops yeah Welcome. I'm Danny Trejo. Won't you join me at the fire and dare enter? Nocturnum, Tales from the Shadows, presented by iHeart and Sonora. An anthology of modern-day horror stories inspired by the legends of Latin America. From ghastly encounters with shapeshifters to bone-chilling brushes with supernatural creatures.

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as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. or wherever you get your podcasts. The point that I'm really trying to drive home is that we really need to rethink what food looks like and it has to be in a meaningful way, that it can't just be those odds and ends. And the thing I think people forget

is that food is a huge component of our culture and our identity. Absolutely. When we think about food and identity, the reason why our identity is surrounded around food is because food is the byproduct of the environment that we live in. And it's been a couple generations. And we went from the reason why Italians eat XYZ is because that's what grows there to I eat this because my family does but i don't know why and that's the way those things relate to one another is been completely lost and we need to figure out how to do that again can you point to any examples of these things you're talking about

of like you know of systems existing now or in the past that have kind of shown these methods of viewing food and viewing, you know, growing and soil cultivation. So like any indigenous practice, and like we say indigenous, and we usually mean like, North America or South America or Australia. But even if you look across Europe, you know, before capitalism kind of got its claws into the rest of Europe, or all of Europe, like there were plenty of indigenous practices. And in some places, they continue. And the way that people lived, reflected the needs of their ecology and how people could relate to that ecology. The reason why Nordic countries have high amounts of meat in their diet is because of what grows there and how they can utilize what grows there

to feed themselves through animals and things like that. Hmm. Yeah, I mean, that is generally what we hear is, you know, look at the various indigenous methods of growing and how they fed people in their immediate area. I'm thinking, how can we take those similar ideas and scale it up? Because they weren't growing food for 7 billion people. But I know we grow way too much food.

Maybe not too much food, just we distribute it in a very inefficient way because we don't do it for what we need, we do it for profit. We throw away so much food that we grow globally. But when I think of these more older methods of growing food, it's harder for me to picture that feeding an entire city. And I don't know what the solution is here. This isn't really the thing I focus on a lot. But is there a way to scale up these smaller scale things that people can do in their own a way to kind of scale up these like smaller scale

things that you know, people can do in their own yards on any kind of mass level? Or is that just kind of rely back on the same thing we've been to like re reevaluate how much we consume and how we consume it? So I think there's a little bit of both. I think we do need to reevaluate what we're consuming and the volume that we're consuming as well as um you know the waste specifically in terms of those two things yeah that uh we tend to lose a lot of food that otherwise is useful yeah um but also there is a lot of opportunity and while places like maybe new york city because of the the development around the city might not there might not be any way possible to grow food like within the metropolitan or even the region yeah we know that like and this is something i probably should have checked

before the stat but it's something like there's four acres of arable land for every person on earth and four acres is like that's a lot that's plenty that's plenty yeah that's absolutely plenty um but like one of the things that's really important is to start thinking about how we can decentralize these systems in order to have those clusters of places where those things are more capable of growing and handling the production that's necessary. And so maybe rethink about what urbanization really should be and what it should look like. And so maybe rethink about what urbanization really should be and what it should look like. And, you know, in the future, while things might seem like, well, you can't ask people to leave New York City, as climate change worsens and our food systems start to fall apart, that might be a much easier conversation to have. While today that seems kind of radical. Yeah, and the very least, maybe we shouldn't make any more New York City. Absolutely.

Is there any resources online that you can point to that talks more about these types of topics, or books, or anything in this general, both on the growing side of things and the more ecology side of things? So Tom Wessels has this really great book called The Myth of Progress, which talks about complex system science and essentially what that is is decentralization and um the the benefits of having diversity within a community and the fact that any any power that's you know centered in one specific place ends up having imbalances and has less resiliency and that plays until it's focused around ecology but i think it's really helpful especially if you're an ecology but i think it's really

helpful especially if you're an anarchist i think you can yeah you can do a lot of systems through the lens yeah yeah so that that's definitely one place to look uh in terms of like growing food i don't know if there's really any books that really address it from this perspective of climate change and decentralization but there's plenty of work online about silvopasture and food forests, any of these types of things. YouTube has a vast array of resources. And of course, if you're interested in this kind of stuff, you can come check us out on our podcast, The Four Pearls Almanac.

The entire show is pretty much around this subject matter. So if you want to learn more about it, come check it out. Yeah, absolutely. show is pretty much around this subject matter so if you want to learn more about it come check it out yeah absolutely definitely um if this specific topic you have a wonderful catalog of stuff discussing this um and i just want to thank you thank you so much for coming on this show to kind of talk about these topics you know me and robert and you know chris we have more of like a background in like history and that kind of thing we. We are not super avid plant people. We're trying to start growing more stuff just ourselves personally, but I'm definitely not educated to talk on this, and I'm very, very happy that you were able to, and you're generous with your time

and knowledge. So thank you so much. Yeah, definitely check out their show on wherever you get your podcasts. You can follow the show, Twitter, on Instagram, at CoolZoneMedia and HappenHerePod. Any final notes? Grow some food. Yeah, grow some food.

Grow some food. I've asked that question a lot, and that answer has come up many times. Just grow food. There you go. Grow food. visit our website, coolzonemedia.com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can find sources for It Could Happen Here updated monthly at coolzonemedia.com slash sources.

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