It Could Happen Here - How to Evacuate Your Home

Episode Date: January 22, 2025

James is joined by Margaret Killjoy to talk about evacuating from wildfires and what to put in your go bag.  You can hear Margaret and James talk about prepper stuff more on the Live Like The World is Dying podcast: https://www.liveliketheworldisdying.com/ Sources: https://www.fire.ca.gov/prepare/get-ready-to-goSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I was trying to Robert Evans it. Oh, okay, yeah. And doesn't he only hate a certain percentage of them? Oh, right. Statistically speaking, he likes some of you. Yeah. I know, because I know some nice people that's in there Robert likes. Maybe it's you, maybe it's not. You'll never know.

Today we're not here to talk about who Robert Evans likes, but we are here to talk about what to do if your house is going to burn down or you have to leave because they think it might burn down. This is obviously a topic that is front of mind for people in Southern California currently, given the massive wildfires that have engulfed whole neighborhoods of Los Angeles. There are fires in Ventura and Oxstead as well now. The whole of East County San Diego is under a red flag warning. Fire conditions continue because climate change continues and we have decided as a society not to do anything about that.

And so this shit is going to be the rest of our lives. If you're on the East Coast or somewhere else and you're like oh I'm fine I'm not on the West Coast, I have bad news for you, you're not fine. Slowly, more and more, the East Coast, including the Northeast, is being seen as a fire prone area, and we're seeing an increase in fire out East as well. Yeah, the United Kingdom has wildfires now, a thing that did not exist. Do you all even have wild over there? Yeah, we have land owned by the monarch fires. We have like parks and protected land, we have like land owned by the monarch fires.

We have like parks and protected land. We don't really have, we have commons to a degree, but not like public land like the US does. When I was a kid, we used to burn the stubble in straw fields. Like that's how few fucks we gave about fires. We just burn it and then plow it back in and air quality, I guess. That is not a thing that people engage in anymore. That's probably for the best.

Fire, it's coming for you. It's happening everywhere. Hooray! Hooray, yeah, lucky you. The cleansing fire. I feel like there's a John Betjeman poem I could go off with here, but I'll spare you. All right, so if you are in a place where you are very likely to have to evacuate your home soonish for a fire, here are some things that you may wish to consider doing. I've harvested these from mutual aid groups in LA and

from the Cal Fire website where they give you advice on what to do if you're evacuating. The first thing that you'll want to do is turn off your gas. For those of you who are familiar, this is a flammable substance and your gas pipe rupturing and then catching on fire would be bad, would be sad. It's pretty easy to do this. Normally you should have a valve near the meter. Some places will have what's called an earthquake shutoff or an earthquake valve where you won't need a tool.

I'm not sure that, in fact, I'm pretty certain those are not mandatory even in California because I've lived places that don't have them. Then again, there are things that are mandatory that landlords just aren't doing. I think we all know that. Yeah, or like grandfathered into or whatever. Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah. Given that people outside of California are listening and the earthquakes are unfortunately not coming for us all just yet, I would just suggest that you try and find where your gas shutoff is now. It's often where the gas comes into the property, like if there's a gas meter, and normally you're going to need some kind of tool to turn that.

What I've used normally is just like an adjustable spanner, or wrench for those of you in the United States. The people in California that you're talking to? Yeah, yes, yeah, hi fellow Californians. You can turn that valve so it's parallel with the pipe and that's kind of shut off the the gas coming into your house do you mean perpendicular to the pipe I'm curious I think parallel is shut off interesting with water you turn it off by moving it perpendicular I've never messed with a

gas line I've lived weird and off-grid instead yeah let me have a look I'm checking now yeah sorry it wants to be at 90 degrees to the pipe. So it should be in line with the pipe when you start at 90 degrees to the pipe when you turn it off. Which you can just kind of imagine as like when it's in line, you can imagine like, oh, that's how the gas and water can flow through. And then when it's to the side, it's like, oh, now it's blocking it.

That's how I remember. That's much easier visually if you imagine like the hole in the valve lining up with the handle thing on there. Yeah. So you want to turn that off. I've seen some suggestions that you want to turn water off. Generally the advice is not to turn your water off and to hook up your outdoor hoses to your outdoor taps such that they can be used if they need to be used. I have seen some suggestions to turn water off because I guess people's pipes are bursting, which is decreasing water pressure. And it seems like that's probably a like city versus rural or

like city to city kind of divide. You should listen to your local authorities around this kind of thing. Right, like in the case of California, you can go to CAL FIRE, right, and there will be evacuation advice on the CAL FIRE website. There might even be on your city website. Some of it is useful. This is a useful thing. If you do need to turn off your water, again, water shutoffs could be in a variety of places. So it kind of depends, especially if you're on a well,

you're probably a rower. And if you're a rower, you're probably going to be leaving it on. Yeah, you're probably turning off your water. Yeah. But if you do need to, it's just a pipe going into your basement that you turn the valve on. It can sometimes be at the turning off your water. Yeah. But if you do need to, it's just a pipe going into your basement that you turn the valve on. Yeah, yeah. It can sometimes be at the side of your house.

You might need to give this a little bit of WD-40. Sometimes there's a little plastic box as well, and the little plastic box has a little hole, and you kind of have to shove a screwdriver in that hole and pop it open. We're now talking about city water again, right? Municipal water. Yes, yeah, that's city water, yeah. That's where if you have a water meter box, it could be in the shutoffs in there.

Familiarize yourself with that stuff now, so that you're not doing it in a panic later. And that's kind of where a lot of what we're talking about today is important. It's if you do it now, you don't have to dash about your house grabbing, thinking, is this important? Do I need this? Do I need that? Because like, I've evacuated for a while as I was living in California a few times I'd like to think I have it pretty down now but definitely the first time I was you know freshly minted

European migrant it was not familiar with this stuff and definitely just ran around grabbing things it turned out to be the wrong things just Just like, cool, I've got three bicycles here. Let me go to the shelter. And you can get something called a water key or a Silcock key. And I have a thing, I have not personally used it. I have a thing called an eight-way key. Sometimes they're called four-way keys, depends on how many little wrenches on them are on them.

And these are just cheap things that have like basically all of the weird wrench style things that you would never otherwise use. Like all the weird like triangle things. They can get you into like the boxes on a subway car and they can turn on and off water. Like I carry one in case you know you're in the apocalypse and you need to turn on the water at a rest area, you know that kind of thing. I first learned about these from squatters who would just move into houses and then turn the

water on and they they're built in specialized ways to try and prevent squatters from doing exactly what I'm describing. Yeah so you couldn't use your standard socket set or what have you, that's where you need these specialized keys. Yeah and they're not very expensive, you can buy them online. No, they're also not very high quality. This isn't the kind of thing you're going to want to use over and over again. They're usually cast and like they break. Yeah, it's like pot metal. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. But they're all right, as far as I can tell. Yeah, and then you're hopefully not going to need to use them very much. Other things that you should turn on or off, turn off your air conditioning. No one's in the house anyway. Don't need it. I would consider leaving your exterior lights on. This is just going to help firefighters see things and see your house in the event that your house is still there. You can close your windows and doors.

It's amazing how much difference closed doors even internally make in fire spread. There are plenty of videos you can watch about this online, but like it's amazing how much different it makes having those closed. But you don't want to lock your front door. Like you're going to see a lot of stuff about looting. I will tell you right now that the people who are looting from wildfire survivors are the landlords who are charging 150% of the rent that they were a month ago for people to find a place place to live. Also if my house is about to burn down and you go steal all my stuff, good! Have it!

Yeah yeah, lucky you! Like I hope you don't get burned! Yeah! You got it. Compared to if a firefighter needs to enter that house to prevent it burning down, it takes a meaningful amount of time to break down a door. Yeah. And you can save that time by leaving it open.

So yeah, that is something that I think you will get the wrong impression of if you're watching too much corporate news. If you can, close metal shutters on your windows, but remove curtains. Flammable things near windows, generally not a good idea. Right? That makes sense. So if you've got fabric curtains, I know they look nice, but take them down. Or you could just live like me and never purchase curtains and just...

I don't have to have the sun in your face. No. What is happening to me right now? Yeah. We're going to start a whole interior design thing and when I teach James interior design, where you hang your curtains. Yeah, James is effectively squatting in a house that he actually rents. You should also move flammable items into the middle of the room.

Again, right? That's where the fire is not. And then before you go, choose an outfit that covers your legs and arms, right? And you want to wear some sturdy shoes as well. Something that's comfortable, something you could potentially sleep in and wear for a few days and not be uncomfortable. Shoes that you could walk in, right? We saw a lot of people in LA weren't able to take their vehicles as far as they had expected to be able to. And so having a pair of shoes that you're comfortable in, your nice, comfy walking shoes is definitely a useful thing to have and something to think about. I hope you're not listening to this dashing around your house if you are. Best

of luck. Yeah, good luck to you. Yeah, yeah, but you know, you can prepare all this stuff now. For the outside of your house, flammable stuff that might catch outside your house is best either bought inside, inside your shed if you have a shed or a garage or something, or in a particularly California piece of advice, Cal Fire suggests chucking your patio of furniture in the pool. That is the thing that you can do.

That makes some sense. It does. Have you seen the picture of this lady in the 90s who put all her fine china in her swimming pool before evacuating in a wildfire? Oh, that's amazing. Yeah. It's very like of the time. Like it was a time when people could afford swimming pools. Yeah.

And also people had China that they cared about, which is something that our generation generally does not. Unless they inherited it from their parents, and in which case they still also, yeah. Right. They have like one plate. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Apparently it's a big issue with people like inheriting China and not wanting it and just dumping it on good wills. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Apparently it's a big issue with people like inheriting China and not want to get in and just dumping it on goodwill's

Yeah, I believe it. Yeah, I can see that so yeah You can put stuff in your pool if you don't want to burn if it is Possible for you to do that you had something you mentioned Margaret about your fence right living in a more rural setting Yeah, can I actually just kind of like really quickly run through some if you yes fire protecting your house There's two things you're going to do. One is the, oh, I'm going to run away now version. And then there's the ahead of time version. The really quick basic version of the ahead of time is that, and this is more applicable

rarely, but you want to have a defensible space. You know, everyone's going to give you a different number, but like a hundred feet from your house. You don't want densely packed trees, especially conifers. And you're going to want, you know, the one tree is okay, as long as it's a little bit further from the other. You're going to want to clear out yard debris, even though leaving leaves on the ground is overall good.

You kind of want to create this space where there's not a lot of leaf litter and things like that directly under your house so that the eaves don't catch. You want to make sure that you don't keep a lot of flammable stuff there. And if like, if I was fleeing my house in a hurry, I would be pulling all the stuff away from under the eaves that I should have pulled away from under the eaves months ago. If I were to design my house better, there would be basically a three-foot like gravel line

around the edge of my house, right, of landscaping. But the other things that you're going to want to do is you're going to want to look for how embers can get in through the vents and stuff, like in your roof area or under wherever. And you're going to want to basically make sure, and it might already have that, but you want to make sure that there's tighter than chicken wire. I think it's, I think you want quarter inch mesh covering those things. Yeah, like construction netting.

Yeah, well, metal, but... Yeah, it's metal. That's just the name of it. Oh, okay. It's what they put into concrete, I think. I use it to build chicken runs for similar reasons. Because raccoon hands can't get through it and raccoons, they're bastards, as it turns out. Yeah, that makes sense. If your porch is wooden, you have a porch. You don't want fire to get underneath it. And so you can keep your wooden porch,

but you want to screen off underneath of it to keep flaming debris from going under there. And then if you have a wooden fence, consider having the like first 10 feet or so of the fence, be brick or something like that. I can't afford this but Imagine you can then you would want the first chunk of it to be that way if you have gates you open them the deal with Fences and the and everything is that you don't want like a wick that brings fire to your house

So if the forest around you is burning You don't want it to catch your fence and have that go right up to under the eaves, catch the eaves on fire and now you have a structure fire. So what you're going to do is you open the gates if you're leaving. And then for example, my plan, because I have a wooden fence that goes all the way up to my house, is that if I have more than like five minutes to flee a fire, if I have a half an hour to flee a fire, I am taking the chainsaw and I am cutting down about 10 feet of that wooden fence before I leave. And that should dramatically increase the chances that my house will survive a fire.

Yeah, smart move. And, and then the another thing with the pool thing, and this is a thing I've like read about but I've never, there's no version of my life where I'm ever going to have a pool. If you live in a fire prone area, they actually make pumps that are designed to pump your pool water into a fire hose. And they have saved a lot of rural areas and probably city areas too, by having that accessible to firefighters immediately. Your pool can become a resource for the people who are coming in to try and keep your house

intact. Yeah. Amusingly, we used one of those when I was a kid. We had a horse that liked to get out. And one day she got out. We all went looking for, of course, there were some wealthy people who like, well, they didn't live in the village that we lived in, they owned it, because Britain has never moved on from the feudal era.

And they had a pool and that was where a horse was. And so the fire brigade came and they used one of those things, just pumped out the water and just like hosed down the surrounding garden. And then we came with the tractor and we put some different straw bales of different sizes, made a set of stairs, and got her out. That's the least relatable story I've ever heard about England. That's amazing. Yeah, just like rural people living the dream. Yeah, she was a good horse. Misty. Yeah. We had a lot of horses that like, we had access to land and not a great deal of finances,

so we inherited problematic horses, I think, from people who had like, who had the means to purchase. That is relatable to the Americans. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Any people find themselves in this situation, I'm sure. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah any people find themselves in this situation I'm sure yeah horse poor is a whole thing. Yeah, it is Yeah, yeah It's it's the rich people who buy fancy horses and then like find that horse not to their liking and can afford to discard A living thing that they spent more than a car is worth on one and also mean horse poor as you have a horse But you don't have any money and you're like, yeah

You're partly poor because you have the horse because horses are incredibly expensive to yeah maintain yes they are vets cost a lot yeah anyway so yeah make sure not quite in horse relation but if you are you know more of a horseless carriage transport person if you are this is a very American thing in possession of an electric garage door opener it is a good idea to work out how to open your garage without that. Because you don't want to be in a situation where you can't use your vehicle because you can't open your garage. Or you don't want to be dashing around going, where's the bloody cord? Not the time. So work out how to do it. Now, also your front gate. Hopefully you don't live in a gated community. It's not the way to live.

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exclusive to pets. Used to bring the lambs in when it was cold. Little orphan lambs. Again, this is turning into like James story time. It's okay. It's cute stories. People are in possession of a range, like a big cooking. If you have a very old house in the UK or again if you're

rich you have these like coal burning or oil burning ovens so they stay at this temperature and they have a number of doors. The coldest one you can put a lamb in there in the winter time and you can keep it warm that way. Like an alive one? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean any of them you can put a dead one in if you felt the need. But this is no way to cook it. I see what you're saying. Okay, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, any of them, you can put a dead one in if you felt the need. But this is no way to cook it. I see what you're saying. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no. Yeah, yeah. If you're looking to take care of the animal, you put them in there and keep them warm.

So if you have pets in your house, things to do before you evacuate would be make sure they have a collar on which has your name and your contact information. Yeah, I'm a big fan of the breakaway collars, especially for dogs. We never had collars on our dogs growing up because their dogs were always out in the fields, right, and going through hedges and stuff, and you don't want them to get caught up. Yeah. And so I'm a big fan of those, especially in a situation where your pet's going to be scared,

you know, God forbid that you lose, your pet goes running for a bit. Yeah. You don't want them to get caught up by that neck. You also probably want to chip your dog also, or chip your pets. Yes, yeah, exactly. I was going to say now is a good time, when you have the time, to chip your pets, to make sure you have a carrier, make sure you have their vaccination records, all that stuff. And also, particularly rabies vaccination is like the thing that you need to make sure

that you have with you. There's a lot of places you can't go with a pet like Canada, unless you have. Yeah, yeah. Hopefully you and your pet will be fine and you'll come home in a few days. But keeping that stuff is important. If you have a cat having a... So you can buy those little mobile litter boxes. If you're in danger of having to evacuate, just buy one and check in your vehicle now.

Of course, any medications that your pet has, right? You'll want to have a supply of those and those will want to be in your little go-bag. It's also nice to have some familiar toys and things that smell like home. So consider putting them in the carrier now and then they'll just be there and you won't have to look for them. They have advice if you have to leave your pet, which would be a pretty heartbreaking situation to be honest. I, uh... Yeah. Yeah, you got it.

I think that choosing to be in charge of an animal's entire life is a pretty solemn vow. Yes, I would agree and I don't think I would leave them to burn. I think. Yeah, but I guess there's probably, I mean you see like for example, I know we're going to talk about livestock in a second, but like, you know, people have had to like let loose some of their horses because they can only personally escort so many horses or whatever, right? Yeah, a few years ago, my friend and I were in a situation where a stables had more

horses than it did vehicles. Yeah. And we were able to go in a vehicle with a tow truck and just help, like they would load them up and just be like, go to the evacuation point with these horses. Yeah. And so having a plan for that is good. But yeah, I know I struggle conceive of, of, of leaving pets. I grew up with dogs and like they were part of my family.

Yeah, I suppose there's some situation I am not imagining where it is literally a necessity, but I struggle to. Yeah, I heard about people in LA who were forced to leave relatives who were not mobile, which is just fucking heartbreaking. Just you know, one of the worst things I could imagine happening. Which is literally why I actually think that your evacuation plans are not trying to blame like just, you know, one of the worst things I could imagine happening. Which is literally why I actually think that your evacuation plans, I'm not trying to blame those people that we're talking about, but I believe that your evacuation plans need

to include people with disabilities who are in your area, not just in your house, but elsewhere. Yeah, 100%. If you have someone who can only travel by a wheelchair, then you should be considering for your only vehicle a wheelchair, then you should be considering for your only vehicle a wheelchair accessible vehicle. Like, this is the kind of thing that I think that like, plans need to include people who are at different levels of ability. Yeah, yeah. If you have older people in your neighborhood, people who might not have their

cell phone on or on them all the time, they might not get that like beep beep buzz buzz. Yeah. If you have like older folks who live alone in your neighborhood, you should know that you know Yeah, yeah a few years ago. I am help some some some older neighbors evacuate Yeah, you live in a community and you need to take responsibility and take care of one another if you have livestock Again, like you know, I grew up with livestock. I think you're taking responsibility for that animals life and stock, I think you're taking responsibility for that animal's life. And that includes situations where you might have to help that animal escape in a way that like, it's not necessarily like lucrative for you. Right.

So that might just mean opening your fences, right? Opening your gates. If you're not able to evacuate that animal, at least giving it a chance. You can before just to avoid having yourself in that situation, need to make transport arrangements. You should be able to look where large animals, refugees are. Like in San Diego in the big fires, maybe 15 years ago, they had them on Fiesta Island for a while, it's a little island out in the bay. Or Del Mar race course is often a place in San Diego where you can take them. You should be able to find that now. If you're in Los Angeles, you can find that now.

Again, you're going to want to have your essential documentation. You are not going to want nylon halters for your livestock. I've seen a lot of people have like, people have nylon lead ropes for horses. We had like more hempy ones when I was younger, just because those are much less likely to melt, right? I'm not sure that's why we had them in the UK, but we had them because we'd had them for a long time. But plastic-y things that can melt, you don't'm not sure that's why we had them in the UK, but we had them because we'd had them for a long time. But plastic-y things that can melt,

you don't want to put them around your horse's head or near your horse. Okay, that makes some sense. Yeah. If you have chickens right now, you're going to run into the issue of avian flu. Oh, yeah. Which is a further complication. So like, this is a scenario of like a big chicken shelter

where you take them is not a good one for avian flu reasons, also for like chicken dynamics reasons. So that means you should make a plan now. You might have a friend who you're like, Hey, I know that you're not normally a poultry person, but would it be cool in the event of us having to evacuate for me and my chickens to come and stay at your house, making a plan now is going to avoid you being in a very difficult situation of either driving around with your birds in your, in your truck being like, where the fuck can I go?

Or like being turned away from places, right? Yeah. The last thing I have here, and then we're going to move on to packing your go-bag, is insurance. My house flooded when I was a kid, like it completely leveled the first floor of the house, everything was gone. Which since it's England, is actually the second floor to Americans. Yeah, it's true. It was actually the...

I love to... It was the ground floor. It was the ground floor. You had to hide on the first floor. Yeah, yeah. I love to go into a lift and be confused in this country after 16 years of living here. Go up and down, up and down, playing this stupid game until I Google what do Americans call the floors.

But you can't do it because you're in the lift and your phone doesn't work It's one of my favorite experiences It's not because you try to Google what do American lifts do and they're like, what the fuck is a little yeah? Yeah, yeah, it's true. Yeah. Yeah an elevator. Yeah, it's not an elevating experience My favorite thing to pick I'm the only person who does it. I'm sure it never happens to me. Yeah, it was never an issue when I worked in a building with a lift and would routinely miss my own floor.

Someone said I just took the fire escape. So I remember it taking months. The time I was working in construction and what we were doing was for the most part pulling wet carpet out of people's homes that have flooded. Highly recommend not doing that as a way to make a living if you can. It's not good for the body, not good for the soul. Not good for the lungs, probably. Oh, cleaning out restaurants like a month later.

The power had been off for a month just going into the walk-in. Oh my God. I've never seen so many people vomit vomit like one after the other being like, no, I could do it. I'm a builder. Boom. Like, yeah, pretty horrific. So don't recommend.

If you can go around your house, taking a video of your stuff. It will just make it easier. Like this happened to my family and like maybe the early 2000s, it wasn't possible. Well, I mean, I could have got the old like Sony handycam out, but I didn't. So now, you know, you have a video camera in your pocket, going around your house, taking a video, especially of, you know, the things that are expensive and hard to move, you're going to rely on insurance to replace. Yeah.

And then this is actually a decent regular prepper practice regardless. This isn't a like, oh, I'm just about to have to run out for a fire. This is a like every six months or every year or every time you get a new weird expensive thing that you put in your house, make this video so that it's easier to prove all of the stuff that you had that needs to be replaced. Yeah. If you do that on a regular basis, there's a little bit of like security of like where do you put it? Do you really want you know, but it's honestly for almost all people probably totally fine to just have that. Yeah

Yeah, I think I think it did don't put it on Facebook But like I don't direct the insurance company to your Instagram where you post a interior video of your home every month Yeah, that's such a thing. I guess. Join us next month for Behind the Podcasts. Yeah, podcast cribs. It's just me in my shed. It's me critiquing your interior design. You have, that will be a weekly podcast for some time. Shame James.

James shame podcast. LA things that I've heard people, things that you will need. If you have a nebulizer, if you're a person who uses a nebulizer to help them breathe, those are in very high demands. You're probably not going to be able to replace it. So bring that with you. If you have medications, ideally grab the meds in the little orange thing and take those with you.

That way you've got the RX number and you can easily go to a pharmacy and be like, hey, this is my prescription for me. It has my name and the RX number. Can you issue me an emergency supply? And that's something they should be able to do. And also if you grab the whole bottle, then you've got, you know, hopefully a decent supply. Hopefully your insurance isn't annoying and only lets you get three weeks at a time.

Yeah, that's, that comes up for a lot of people, but yeah. and only lets you get three weeks at a time. Yeah, that comes up for a lot of people, but yeah. I will not name any companies because I think it is against my contract to do that. I will say that if you have like your important documents, right? Your potentially your deed to your house, if you own one, your car, your passport, your birth certificate is a big one. Yeah, you're right to be in this country. on your car, your passport, your birth certificate is a big one. Yeah. You're right to be in this country.

Yeah. Any green card, visa, that kind of thing, especially those in the after. Well, this, this will come out in the era of Trump 2.0. So those documents are going to be very important for some people, right? Your, your DACA registration, put those in a file and grab the whole thing. Bring it with you. Do not rely on scanning copies of those, especially your immigration documents.

If you're a person who has firearms, records of the serial numbers of those are gonna be useful. And again, I would just snap a picture. It's not reasonable or sensible to be taking a lot of firearms with you in a situation like this. You're not going to need them. And there's gonna be a lot of places with you in a situation like this, you're not going to need them. And there's gonna be a lot of places that you won't want to bring them. Yes.

You know. I would suggest locking them up. And like I say, documenting that you've done that. You may have to prove at some point that that firearm no longer exists, and that's probably the best way to do that. And being prepared to travel on foot, like I said. Another thing that people have been needing and not having is P100 masks. So that's a particle filter generally in the 3M

and I think the Honeywell filters, they're pink. So I'm talking about like a screw-in filter here. Although they do make P100 masks that are more like, they look more like COVID masks. They're just a little bit thicker and yeah. Yeah, they're a little bit more sort of burdensome than those masks, but that is what you need if you're in those situations. So if you have one of those, I have ones like when I'm when I'm epoxying wood, I have a little half face respirator that I wear for that. We will actually

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For keeping us safe from tear gas. Although I'm kind of a 3M girl, we're back. Thank you, Honeywell. Yeah. For keeping us safe from tear gas. Although I'm kind of a 3M girl, I got to admit. Oh, controversial. Okay. I know. So one of the things I did during 2020 was a lot of testing of protest care. And if you want to see, I've written up a whole bunch of pieces about exactly everything

about masks and body armor and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But in general, when you think about masks, there's three levels that actually matter or useful. There's the version that we see as a COVID mask. There's a version where it's like you wear it around your face and you make sure you get a rated one. An N95 is better than nothing for smoke, but a P100 is better. Then there is a half mask respirator. Half mask respirators are great. They are

probably the sweet spot for this. They are less good for pandemics because they do not filter the exhale. They are better for your daily life because they don't filter the exhale. It's much easier to breathe with a half mask respirator than a fabric mask. And you can switch out the cartridges and unfortunately almost all of them are various proprietary types of filters. Yeah. And the bayonet mount is the 3M style. There's a NATO version if something looks more like a gas mask, it's probably the NATO screw on kind. So you can get a half mask respirator or you can get a full face respirator which is more or less what looks like a gas mask.

But those come in kind of civilian styles that are using the same 3M brand or Honeywell or whatever cartridges. Or you can get the more military style that'll have the NATO style screw in. The military style is kind of overkill in terms of it'll position you oddly socially. Yes, certainly a fire. Yeah. I think that a thing that is worth everyone having are these respirators, a half mask respirator. Or depending on your life, like if you use them a lot or you're gonna be protesting or,

I don't know, there's a lot of different reasons. You might want a full face one. They make really cheap knockoff ones that you can get imported, although maybe if you're listening to this in the future, you can't get it imported, but they work fairly well. They're just not quite as good. I've tested a whole bunch of them against various impacts and things like that.

I think that half masks are great. I keep a half mask in my truck literally for wildfire smoke because when I'm traveling, if I'm driving out west, I've been around wildfire smoke while traveling before. Another thing just really quickly, they make these for dogs as well. Oh, cool. They're more like COVID mask style and my dog hates it, you know, but you could train your dog into not hating it. I just haven't.

I just keep it around to be like, well, if it really, if we had to sleep in the vehicle in a smoky area, my dog would hate it and he would put up with it, you know, and he would survive. Yeah. I like masks. Yes. They're great. Yeah, they are good. The half-face respirator is great. Yeah, that's what I use I could say when I'm epoxy ink so I don't get high so that would be bad Yeah, oh and then really quickly about physical stuff like deeds and all of that stuff Yeah, I'm actually kind of curious cuz it's like I see why it matters the most to have the physical originals. Mm-hmm

For most crises a lot of people talk about how safety deposit boxes at banks are kind of the way to have the physical originals. For most crises, a lot of people talk about how safety deposit boxes at banks are kind of the way to go. For stuff like that you don't need on a regular basis, this wouldn't be your proof of documentation necessarily, but it might be your like birth certificate, maybe like deeds and titles and things at a safe deposit box because then if your house burns down, it's still fine. LA wildfire kind of disproves this a little bit, right? Because then you're like, well, what if your house burns down, it's still fine. LA wildfire kind of disproves this a little bit, right? Because then you're like, well, what if your bank burns down? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then if it's not on your property, you can't grab it and go. So it's a little bit complicated. I think overall, I think that there's a real advantage to keeping stuff in a safety deposit box off site. And then also, I just want to shout out that fireproof safes aren't fireproof. Yeah, not for the situation that we're talking about here. Right. They are designed for like, your kitchen catches fire, or your bed catches fire and your safe is under your bed. Yeah, and the firefighters come and they get out in 15 minutes, but some stuff gets charred. Right. When there is a structure fire and a structure is destroyed, fireproof safes,

like all other safes, are generally not protecting their contents. And that's not the fault of the fire safe. They're not designed for that. Google the melting point of steel for this and many other interesting internet things that you can learn. Jet fuel can't melt fireproof safe. Yeah. Which is why they build buildings out of it. Oh, and one more thing about documents really quick. While the original matters, having copies is like better than nothing.

100%. And also just like scanning and having them on encrypted hard like a cryptid USB stick. A little USB stick with all of your stuff is a really pretty good thing to have. It has some advantages too, right? Because sometimes you don't want the originals of your documents. Like for example, you probably want a list of all of your bank accounts.

The bank account numbers, your pins, or your credit card numbers, like all of that stuff that you really don't want someone else to have. But if you lost, you would be really sad. You probably want digital encrypted copies of that available to you. Also your like master passwords and all that terrible, horrible stuff that's encrypted copies of that available to you. Yeah, yeah. Also, your like master passwords and all that terrible, horrible stuff that's scary to put

onto a USB stick. Yeah, but that's why you're putting it there and not on the internet. Yeah. So really quickly, Margaret, it's going to be a long one, I guess. You and I talk about prepper stuff, it went long? Yeah, shocking. GoBags. We've done a whole episode on GoBags.

If you're new to the show, hello, welcome. You can go back and listen to Margaret and James talking about go bags. We'll try and put a link in the description here for you. But what is the like super fast speed run version of what you want to put in your go bag? Oh Lord, uh, change of socks and underwear, your basic toiletries, like the kind of like travel toiletries. Because your go-back is like more likely, sorry it's not going to be a long tangent, your go-back is like more likely I have to spend the night in my car than like I'm starting a new life somewhere out in the plains. And so the small little things like bring deodorant even if you don't have deodorant

in your daily life because you might be crammed into a place with lots of other people. I've seen tons of requests for deodorant in the LA Mutual Aid chat almost every day. Yeah, no, it makes a lot of sense. So, basic toiletries and a little bit extra to share. I think whether or not you menstruate, you should have tampons, for example, in your go-bag. And so I think that the basic toiletries, basic first aid slash survival stuff, and then like change of clothes, and also like at least one or two morale items. I keep a Nintendo Switch in my go bag.

It Skyrim is I need a Skyrim box in order to fight anxiety sometimes. Yeah, yeah. You can get those tiny little Gameboys now which have like it looks like a Gameboy but it's every game ever. Yeah, yeah. I have one of those in there too. Okay, sick. Yeah, those would be a perfect item for one of those.

That actually I had like almost no electricity at the beginning of COVID and so the ability to play the Sega Genesis version of Shadowrun from like the 90s was crucial to me because yeah, I didn't have enough electricity to run a computer Yeah, and look that's fine And it's probably gonna be more important to you than half the shit you see people online Putting in their go-backs like yeah, you don't need a gender-affirming hatchet you will You will have a lot more fun with your tiny Gameboy things that you don't need that I see people I see people hauling a lot more fun with your tiny Gameboy. Things that you don't need that I see people, I see people hauling a lot of food. Everyone who's evacuated at LA is having a miserable time.

They are eating the best they ever have. So many people want to help and food is a way that so many of us express affection and care for one another. So many people are getting fed right now. Thanks to the efforts of Butrelay Groups really. Remarkably doesn't seem to be so much by, you'd think LA, a city on a major fault line, would have some kind of supplies for an earthquake that required feeding lots of people. Seems like it's more vibes based for the city. But you know, surprise surprise, it's mutual aid groups who are feeding

people and they're doing that really well. So you don't need to haul a lot of food. Having a little bit of food though, a little bit of shelf stable food. I really recommend bars you don't like as the food that you put in your go bag. Because if you put in bars that you do like, you're gonna eat them when you're bored one day. Yeah. And you don't wanna go to the store. Highly recommend.

I say this, literally all of the bars in all my bags have been eaten in the past week, but that's because there's been like a winter storm, so I haven't been out to the grocery store and I just have been like sugar craving, so I eat even the gross bars. I live in San Diego, I have no excuse, I just do it, because I can't be bothered to the grocery store and I just have been like sugar craving so I eat even the gross bars. I live in San Diego, I have no excuse I just do it because I can't be bothered to leave my office and go to my kitchen sometimes.

Yeah. So find the one that you don't like, put it in your bag, just have a couple. It's not to keep you sustained, it's to keep you from being grouchy. Like, don't think of it as like I need to put entire meals in my go bag, think of it as like I need enough sugar and whatever to keep my like headspace right. Yeah, I kind of like to layer them in between things. I do this when I'm camping too. I'll get like this little peanut butter packets. Yeah, I just like throw a few in there and then you're like, Oh, yeah, you know what? I am being cranky. Let me just snuff this

and I'm going to be better. Yeah, I do highly recommend peanut butter. I take it when I travel a lot as well. It's like a comfort food for me. It's filling, it's compact. It's not that bad for you. When I lived out of a backpack, I kept a plastic jar of peanut butter at the bottom of my pack always because I knew no matter what,

I had at least two days worth of calories in the bottom of my bag. Yeah, yeah. It's a wonderful thing, peanut butter. So yeah, put some of that in there. There are things that like, you probably don't need shelter, right? But it might be nice to have a little compact blanket, right? Especially if you're going to have to stay at one of those one thing,

a little comfort item that I always take, I've taken this all over the world, is an inflatable pillow. Like there are a lot of hardships that I will endure. I like to sleep on a pillow. And so I take a little inflatable pillow. So it's something that like, you know, you will have comfort items like that, that are things for you. I will put those in there. I would avoid watching too much go bag content on YouTube because you're going to get anxious about the fact that you don't have like a folding short barrels rifle. And that's because you don't need it.

Nor do you need like a, like I'm sitting next to my bulletproof vest that I've used before for work. I'm not taking it with me. Staying here. I did spend a lot of money on the plate, so I will be claiming those on insurance, but you don't need that stuff. People are taking care of one another. And so pack with the things that will help you be comfortable and consider that you might be spending a while in a hotel or a hostel or a refuge or staying with a friend or family members and think what would make that more comfortable for you. I think that's a really good way to put it.

It's the get out of town for the weekend bag. It's not the end of the world bag. I think that if you are more rural, you might want some basic camping stuff. Yeah, yeah, definitely. But the average person probably doesn't. I mostly have this at the like, there's my go bag and then there's the stuff that's kind of always in my truck. Yeah, that's where I'm at too. I like to go camping.

So I have my camping stuff in my truck because then it takes me less time to go camping. Yeah. And so like, I am almost certainly not bugging out on foot from my house. And if I had to, then I would have to bring a not my go bag, I would have to bring a hiking bag, you know? Yeah. Most of the time, if you have access to a car and roads, because you're escaping an emergency, you're getting to somewhere with enough civilization that you have, you can expect some level of shelter and food. Yeah, exactly. But I do, I will say, have some water, don't go overboard.

I think that having a little bit of chemical water filtration and a water bottle or a little water filter and a water bottle, you know, no reason not to. Yeah, I will say specifically, get a soy squeeze, they're tiny, the filtration is better than most other filters that are that size. Get it, put it in your backpack, leave it there, they're handy to have and then yeah get a little, I like to have again this is a little comfort thing, I like to have a stainless steel Nalgene size bottle, it's not made by Nalgene,

it's made by Clean Canteen. I like it because I could drink water out of it, I like it because it's not plastic and I like it because I can use it to heat up water when it's really cold and have it like a little hot water bottle and snuggle with it. And yeah, so that's a nice thing Yeah I use also like a single wall steel Canteen so that you can heat water in it if you get the double wall ones Then you can't heat them over a fire because they're you know vacuum insulated or whatever But then other people I know are like well well, they want the ability to have like,

in their insulated tea bottle. Yeah, sure, yeah. You do you. So I will also say battery packs for phones is a big one. Again, you're less likely to need to hunt squirrels with axes and you're more likely need to keep your phone charged and other people's phones charged. One of those little Hydra charging cables,

which you know, breaks water. That's what I was about to say too, yeah. Yeah, yeah, get one of those. Get a little wall wart and keep it in there little Hydra charging cables, which breaks one. That's what I was about to say too. Yeah. Yeah. Get one of those. Get a little wall wart and keep it in there so you can turn a wall socket into a USB socket if you need that to charge your stuff. Another thing that is surprisingly handy in lots of situations is I like to run a lot

and sometimes you're doing an ultra marathon when you get to the aid station. They just have like big things of water, right? And you fill up your little water bottles you're carrying in your vest. And lots of people have these tiny collapsible cups that are made of like a thin rubber. They're made of the stuff that camelback ladders are made of. And then they can fill up that cup and they can drink from it and they just keep it attached to their vest, right? And then off they go running along. Oh, interesting. These are very useful. And I've started incorporating them in lots of my travel and like,

yeah, emergency supplies because If you're in a place where people don't have cups, right? But they have big things of water now you have a vessel from which to drink. So those are surprisingly handy Yeah, I also keep one of those. I don't know if it's the same one you're talking about but like collapses up almost accordion style Yeah, it's like it's like the camping ones, but even it's way lighter than those. Ah, okay I have the camping style one and I keep it in there as a like emergency dog bowl. Yes, I know. Yeah, those are great for that too. And you can drink hot things out of them, which is nice. Yeah. And another thing that I keep in my go bag is I keep the meds that my dog is on and I keep some of the meds that I take in there.

And you know, it's like my dog only gets the meds once a month, so I go to my bag and I pull out the meds and I give them to my dog from my bag. Because why not? And if you have, you know, other people, whether they're not fully grown yet or are, that you also take care of, you know, you need to make sure you have a little bit of their stuff

in there, like, like you keep a dog toy in your go bag. Yeah, yeah, if you have a child toy. If you need to keep medicines cold, there's a product called Frio, F-R-I-O. They're not paying me. I have never got one for free. But you dip it in water and it uses evaporative cooling to keep your insulin cold. I have used them. They are very handy. They don't rely on electricity. It's very nice. So yeah, if that's something that you need, then that is hopefully something that will be useful to you.

My last thing would be a little torch, a little pocket flashlight, or even better, a headlamp, like a head torch, because lots of places in LA lost power. Right. And if you're having to go places at night, it's much easier if you can see where you are going. Yeah. They're not expensive. They're great gifts.

Bring a few, give them to friends, make new friends. Hopefully this has repaired you. The last thing, of course, Margaret, is gold bullion with Ronald Reagan's face on it. Oh, I forgot to mention that. Yeah, you need to trade. Rather than having a system of mutual aid, which we naturally do, instead we should interject a complicated barter system, ideally on the gold standard. Yeah, in which shiny metal replaces our natural instinct to help one another. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Mm-hmm. That's how it's been.

That's humans. Famously. Not a species. Just bring a copy of Debt by David Graeber into your room. Yeah, yeah. Bring Atlas Shrugs, and then as you pass the fires, just start ripping that shit off, throwing it in there. let it burn. Having a paperback book if you like that it's not weight efficient but you know what like

yeah that's how you like to read. Morale matters. Yeah yeah. Yeah. Bring the Dawn of Everything by David Gray but that'll occupy you through most natural disasters it's a it's a thick book. It is it is indeed. If you can't reach something, very handy. Stand on that.

He really thought. He did us one final solid. RIP David Graeber. Yeah, and on RIP to David Wengro is a lot. Yes, yeah, yeah. Shout out to David Wengro. The other David, the less venerated David who also wrote that book. I always feel bad when I just talk about Graeber stuff and and I talk about thought of everything and then I don't talk about the other David yeah, sometimes I'll just say the David's and then people will look at me and Yeah, totally but I know yeah me yeah when I'm picked a Margaret I can say the David's she knows which David's I mean That's why we're friends. Yeah

Anyway, yeah, it's gonna be okay, or it's not, but you know what? You weren't gonna survive being alive anyway, and keep your car half full of gas, like when you're on your way home, and make sure that you fill up if it's less than half way full. Plug your electric car in, don't skip plugging your little electric car in at night. Yeah. Because the night that you do is the night that you need it. So you do the little things, take care of one another. Yep.

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