It Could Happen Here - How To Grow Your Little Garden

Episode Date: June 18, 2024

James, Sophie, and Molly talk about their gardens and give listeners tips on starting their own garden this summer. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to It Could Happen Here. I am Sophie Lichterman. I am the executive producer of all of Cool Zone Media. And I didn't have time to touch grass today. So this is the closest I'm going to get to that. And here with me leading the conversation will be James Stout. And also here is one of my favorite people on this entire planet, Molly Conger. James, take it away.

Thank you, Sophie. Magnificent intro. As Sophie said, we're here today to talk about grass. Not really grass, just like plants in general. I wanted to do an episode on having a little garden because I think it is a thing that would make people happy. And also it's a way to have food for yourself. It's not free, but once the plants keep growing, you don't have to pay any more for the food. So it's a nice thing to do. I enjoy to grow plants and I wanted to share that with you. Do you have little gardens, Molly and Sophie? Yes. Oh, so I moved to a new apartment last year.

And in sort of a rare and strange arrangement, my first floor apartment has like a little dirt patch. I think it was originally supposed to be where the HVAC units are because it's like walled off by this sort of tall wall. And it's this 10 foot by 10 foot pit. But the HVAC units are not there. So that's where I grow my tomatoes. Yeah. My porch is currently a fruit garden. I have a bunch of things starting in pots.

I've got a lemon tree. I've got a mandarin tree, which I'm really excited about. I grew a mandarin tree when I lived in California and then gifted it to my dad. And then he gifted it to a friend of his and it's still doing really well so that's nice I have a boysenberry plant I have what did I just buy I'm trying to think I just bought another fruit thing oh it's like some citrus hybrid thing so my porch is filled with fruit things that should live for a very long time and then my friend Sarah is on a gardening kick and so anything else we grow in her yard and she's growing literally everything that's good love to grow everything yeah so if you want to grow everything if you're listening and you're thinking I would like to be

like Sophie or Molly and grow vegetables and trees trees are hard especially if you're thinking, I would like to be like Sophie or Molly and grow vegetables and trees. Trees are hard, especially if you're a renter. Yeah, you have to start them in a pot. And then depending on climate, I bring mine inside during the cool earth times and I have them under a grow bulb. It's not a quick commitment. No, yeah, it is an undertaking. And yeah, if you want to let them grow big, then you either have to get giant pots or put them in the ground.

Put them in the ground, which is hard when most people in this country can't afford to buy a home. Yes, it is. It sucks. And then you don't want to be giving things to your landlord for free. Because fuck them. Yeah. Well, let's talk about things that you can do in a smaller time frame than trees.

So I've just got a few bullet points here. We're going to go through them. And you all can interrupt me with your experiences or questions should you have any. If you're making a little garden for yourself, obviously you're going to have to start out with choosing a spot for your garden. This depends, I think, on where you live. So if you're like on the fifth floor and you don't have access to any like ground, yard, garden, garden soil that could be your windowsill right it could be your balcony if you have a balcony all you really need is somewhere that has good access to sunlight all the other stuff you can bring in yourself right you can bring the soil yourself you can bring the water and all the nutrients that your plants need but obviously i guess you could make the sunlight in

my kitchen i have a little aero garden, which has its own little UV light bulb. And you can use those to grow some stuff. Or people have maybe some other hydroponic gardening experience they have done. Elaborate setups for their tomatoes. Yeah. Do you remember that? I think it was like 2019 when everybody's relative gave them one of those like indoor herb garden kits that don't work the arrow garden yeah the sierra garden i have one of those they work no no no no not the

expensive arrow garden one but the knockoff ones everybody got one of them yeah yeah everybody got one of those and then you saw them elsewhere and that sort of commodification is so silly right because to grow like a little pot of basil you don don't need stuff. You don't need to buy a thing. You need a windowsill. I can't grow basil. Oh, really? We're not compatible. Interesting.

I love basil. I use it constantly. I try to grow it. I kill it every time. What way is it dying? It just wilts. Basil doesn't like its feet in the water.

It has to have quite dry soil. It wilts, so then i'll try again and i'll ignore it it wilts i'll try it again and i'll give it a little bit of water it wilts i'll try it again i'll give it a lot of water it wilts i'll try it again and i guess how it ends it wilts oh i have an abundance of it because i'm constantly topping it because you want to top your basil all the time so that it branches instead of flowering so when i top it i'm like why i don't want to waste this i'll root these so now i have like you know 700 basils well it's me maybe molly could send one to sophie and we could yeah you're

welcome to some of my basil yeah because pesto is one of the greatest things that's ever happened to anybody and all you need is a little pine nut pine tree i guess and some basil and a little sheep and you can make pecorino cheese there you go and i guess and some basil and a little sheep and you can make pecorino cheese there you go and then yeah and some anchovies of course you just need your own sheep yeah everyone should have anderson would have the best time herding one sheep the poor sheep were probably not i pictured it it's really funny you can't just have one sheep. They need friends.

Sheep are not a solitary animal. So you'd have to get several. Well, Anderson will herd them all. Yeah. We'd love to see that. All right. So if you've selected your spot, right, where you have access to sunlight, the next thing you need is a vessel.

So during COVID, lots of people started gardens. Not that we are not also in covid right now right but during the lockdown 2020 when everyone was working from home for the first time people started their little gardens and i think lots of folks who didn't start back then or you moved house since then like people just built lots of planters often in that area between the pavement and the road which has a name that i've forgotten now oh that's one of those things that has a different name in every region of the u.s and wherever you go if you're calling it the wrong thing people look at you like you're an alien

yeah i don't know what that's called in california i think in new jersey they call it the devil's strip for real i'm pretty sure we're gonna call it the devil's strip in this podcast because that's a better name than i could have come up with if you're gardening in the devil's strip that sounds like a euphemism for growing weed like when people call it the devil's lettuce yeah you're growing your devil's lettuce and devil's strip that's a good place to build a planter right and generally like you should be able to obtain lumber for that somewhere. Like, I don't think you should be paying for lumber in this day and age. Yeah. And they're pretty easy to build, right?

If you are building a planter, some considerations. You probably shouldn't stain the inside of the lumber that you're using. There's stuff in there that you probably don't want. If you intend to eat the plants, I think it's a pretty bad idea. Or to get lumber which is pre-treated right if you get something which is naturally resistant to rotting like a redwood or something like that that's going to last a bit longer right yeah I mean you should be able to find some kind of cedar or redwood around I agree with your assessment that you should not have to pay for that yeah although it's not

something that if you have like a good local hardware store it's not something that's super expensive but price it before you buy it that's what i'll say and it's certainly cheaper to just buy the wood than it is to buy like a pre-made wooden plant yeah the markup on that is crazy incredibly overpriced for something that you would find at a big box store yeah and crap too there was one in one place I lived that was like maybe a quarter of an inch thick and like it dovetailed together. But then like the dovetails kind of bulged out when they got too wet.

And it was not a good idea. Don't buy one, build one. If you have decking screws in two by fours, you can build your own planter. It doesn't require a high level of carpentry knowledge so then you're going to have to put some soil in your planter right you could grow plants in like lycra lycra is like the clay composite have you seen this like little balls yeah but i think i have yeah just to start off with we'll we'll start with soil because it's the easiest thing to access

i think in lots of cities you can get free compost if you go to the tip don't know if that's the case where you guys live but here you can get free compost if you go to the tip i'm unfamiliar with that but now i'm like wait can we do that because we should right have i been missing out on free dirt because i've been i've been paying for dirt okay yeah this is a huge life hack do you have those green bins where you put compostable rubbish? Of course. Oh, no, we don't. Sophie lives in Portland.

I'm like, I live in Portland, of course. Okay, so if you have that, I'm guessing your municipality is composting it, right? Which would mean it has a large amount of compost, at least in San Diego. I would be blown away if San Diego was leading the way in giving residents anything other than more cops for their taxpayer dollars. We can get free. I have a pickup truck. I think I can get two pickup trucks full of compost. You have to go and shovel it yourself right into your truck. And obviously you have to have some kind of vehicle to transport it. But it's a good way to get free soil, especially if you're doing a project. Often if you're planting vegetables in your garden, right, the soil that you're planting

them into might not be good quality topsoil, right? That topsoil might have been taken away when your building was constructed, or you might have all kinds of aggregate waste sort of mixed in there, right? Gravel and stuff like that. It might not be the best quality growing soil. So if you can, going and getting some of the free compost is the move. What I like to do when I'm starting a little garden and I've got my soil is to do a soil chemistry test. Have you guys done soil chemistry tests? I have.

My style of gardening is more just kind of vibing it out. More of a vibes based. Hey, Portland has free compost days. I get information overload really fast. When I first started my little garden, I thought, well, I'm going to do some Googling. I'm going to do some researching. I'm going to go to the agricultural extension website and learn about my local soil. And then once I have 70 tabs open and I'm trying to consume the information,

I was like, you know what? Plants grow outside. They'll be fine. They'll be fine. It is true. There is a lot you can do and a lot they'll be fine they'll be fine it is true there is a lot you can do and a lot that you don't have to do when it comes to growing plants my mother was a lecturer at an agricultural college therefore i'm bound to get a little home test kit and test they do you know what the three essential nutrients are should we turn into nitrogen yeah um a different element that's correct ph

these are all things these are all things all i can think of is fat protein and carbohydrates salt fat acid heat if your plant isn't hitting its macros it will not get swole exactly one of the things about plants. I'm feeding my tomatoes creatine. Is that right? Yeah, that's why they're hench as fuck. Are we talking like magnesium? Close.

Okay. That too is an element. I had nitrogen though. That's right. Yeah, Molly got that one right. I was trying to do like a ratio, but I couldn't work it out. Nitrogen, phosphorus. Okay, I was going to do like a ratio, but I couldn't work it out. Nitrogen, phosphorus. Okay. I was like almost there.

Yeah. You were very close with magnesium. Wait, are you growing a garden or blowing up a federal building, James? Porque no los dos, Molly. I'm growing a garden. For legal and truth-based reasons, I'm growing a garden. You want nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium. Those are your three essential nutrients there are 15 other little micronutrients i guess that plants need vitamins yeah the little you know omega-3s for their joints they need mp and k in different ratios depending on different plants right so

tomatoes need a lot of potassium obviously molly and i are like, we're here to talk about plants. Why are we in chemistry class? What's happening? James, I buy a bag that says tomato food and there's a picture of a cartoon tomato on it. That's what I know. You're doing great. You can't go wrong with looking at the picture on the thing. I use this technique for all kinds of things.

It's why I don't buy Quaker oats anymore. Very disturbing. I want to empower you to not have to buy the tomato man bag. In the case of tomatoes, right, you need a lot of potassium, especially to get the fruit. You can use a lot of nitrogen early on to get the leaves, then you need the potassium to get them to fruit. So you're going to seek to have the soil chemistry that suits the plants that you want to grow, right? You can't really like improve your soil unless you know where you're starting from. So you're going to look at their npk and the ph and then going from there when you're buying commercial fertilizers you can normally see the balance

you'll say on the bag or say on the website right and you're trying to augment that soil to get the soil chemistry you want to grow the plants that you want to eat or maybe not eat maybe just have you can also add organic matter to your soil if you're doing that like you're just gonna have to like test and test again kind of thing because when your cow shits you don't get a bag which then gives you the amount of nitrogen phosphorus and potassium that's why i buy the cow shit in a bag james wow that's a great business idea no they sell it at lowes they sell it at lowes cow shit in a bag okay maybe that is a wonderful business idea. No, they sell it at Lowe's. They sell it at Lowe's? Couch in a bag? Yeah. Okay, maybe that is a wonderful time to take a break for advertisements.

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gotta age it like a fine wine yeah exactly it does improve with age bottle it up cork it and put a vintage on it and then rotate it every few years so it doesn't get sediment in the bottom if you can get a composter and you can go after making your own compost it's a fun thing to do you get one of the barrel composters that you turn and i have one of those yeah oh yeah because my dirt patch is like not really supposed to be a garden i don't have a lot of room for a compost heap love a compost heap better way to do it But because I just have patio space, I have one of those big plastic compost tumblers and I love it. It works pretty good, pretty fast. I was lucky enough last year, this was not intentional, I did not invite them, but I have black soldier flies

in my compost. Do you know those little guys? They're like pretty long, shiny black flies, but their larva are these like little grubs. And so I opened my compost. I was like, who the hell are all these grubs? But black soldier fly larva just devour organic matter. And so they break down your compost really fast. I love them so much that I just bought some. They came in the mail today. I got a box in the mail today that said like, caution, live bugs. And I dumped those little babies in my Tumblr. Nice, yeah.

Hopefully they thrive there. Oh yeah, they love it in there. Yeah, we had some love. I don't know what they were, but we had a compost heap that I moved a couple of years ago. When I moved it, the chickens had probably the best day of their lives, just chasing around

people farm black soldier fly as chicken feed so that you can have this whole setup where you're growing them on purpose and then they sort of fall down the tray and the chickens eat them i don't have any chickens yet i think my apartment neighbors would not like that fuck fuck them money to play rage against a machine as you install your chicken coop I mean the dogs would love it Buck has met a chicken before and in his mind it is like the rawest chicken

right like this is the most tempting treat yeah the forbidden dog treat the raw nugget yeah I don't know chickens can be pretty mean hey Reese Featherspoon is a national treasure. Yeah, Reese Featherspoon is. She's not a mean chicken.

She was just sitting on my lap earlier before we recorded. She's a friendly chicken. She does, though, if there is blood on me, she will attack. Even me, her father and friend. So if you don't have any manure, that's fine. You can make your own dirt at home. I recommend it. It's great. Yeah, you can. It's fulfilling to take like waste and turn it into something useful you can do it on a city scale like portland does or you can do it on a home scale which is fun and

it's always nice to you know reduce your amount of shit there especially if they don't compost like if you don't have a green bin it's less shit going into landfill isn't it so that's always a good thing so now you've uh you've got your vessel and you've got your soil and you're going to have to decide about your plants right one great resource to consult is a usda plant hardiness map of course you guys been browsing know your zone baby yep you have to or else you could just be committing plant massacre i mean there's a lot of debate right now in the community about the rezoning, the rezoned, the USDA plant hardiness map.

Yeah, like my mom buys all of her bulbs from this bulb farm and they put out a notice saying like, we are not using the revised map. We're sticking with the original. We're not changing the catalog. Yeah, being a trad, but for the USDA plant hardiness map. Return to tradition. I'm a USDA plant hardness believer.

And the climate is changing. So the shit that your grandparents grow might not work for you. If you have colder winters, especially, right? If the winter's getting colder where you are, that might be difficult for your plants. So consult that map. The map isn't going to tell you what to grow so much as what can make it through your winters. And so it's a good place to start. You're also going to want to think about plants that can fit into your space, right? If you want to grow yourself a sequoia, that's cool. But you

know, if you're operating with a balcony, it's probably not going to be maybe you can make a bonsai sequoia, if that was your your thing but you need a plant that will fit with your space right definitely if you want to grow plants that you want to eat think about things that are high yielding right and perpetual spinach is a great one if you're like a first timer perpetual spinach you can cut and come again so you pick some and a bit more comes and a bit more comes you don't have to like harvest it all at one time. Tomatoes are a classic, right? You can even grow them straight in one of those grow bags. You just cut a hole, put tomatoes in. If you've got enough depth, you can do root vegetables.

So things like carrots, turnips, swedes. You can get, of course, potatoes are a classic. You can make a potato tower if you wanted to. This is a great way to have lots of potatoes in a relatively small space. So choose something that will also grow depending on the amount of climate window wanted to this is a great way to have lots of potatoes in a relatively small space so choose something that will also grow depending on the amount of climate window you have right so if you have short summers and you have something that needs a lot of sunlight to grow you want something

that will grow and mature in the amount of time you have right before the weather turns to shit again and it's too cold for that plant or choose something that's suitable for the climate you have like i just harvested some winter giant spinach because I grew that over the winter and it's very hardy and doesn't need quite as much sunlight that was very good and I'm about to start having my early girl tomatoes which they arrive earlier than your conventional tomato like there's a tomato for everything wherever you are whatever you need like that's a tomato for you it's overwhelming so like last year like I said I'm doing this vibe space right so i went to the garden store and i just picked out a couple of tomato plants that had names like that were funny i think that's a great strategy

right that's very valid but this year i was a little more selective right so because i grew fewer tomatoes this year because i think last they were a little too close together it was a little overwhelming got a little busy in there i want to do more cucumbers this year. So I only have five tomato plants. I have two different cherry tomatoes. I have a Cherokee purple. Oh gosh, who are the other guys? The other ones were just names I thought were interesting. I did it again. But the great thing about tomatoes is on the little tag, it'll say how many days to maturity. So like you don't have to guess guess you don't have to do a lot of homework or research it'll say right on the tag like 85 days to harvest yeah going to the garden center they're going to sell stuff that's suitable for the climate you're living in right and then yeah you can see

how long it will take to harvest ideally you could space them out right so you don't just have a glut of tomatoes and then no tomatoes for the rest of your life or the rest of the year producing especially if you get indeterminates. Yeah, they will keep producing. You can... I mean, they'll keep producing until the first frost. Yeah. So we had cherry tomatoes through November last year.

That's awesome. Wow. I thought you guys got cold. Yeah, we're 7b, but Charlottesville's kind of in a valley, so it stays warmer a little longer. Nice. Yeah, San Diego is, of course, you can almost have this stuff year round eternal summer well we have winters now the last two winters have been very wet yeah i had to have a bit of a learning curve coming from california to oregon within the different climates and i have to

say that with the things that i had in pots bringing them inside with grow bulbs has been for colder weather has been pretty successful for me at keeping things alive yeah they're not as fruitful obviously but they do not die yeah that's a win if you're in portland or somewhere further north and you'd like you know that your plant won't make it through the winter that's the strategy right you can have a place set aside you can bring it in you can have a grow bulb and honestly a lot of lamps they sell bulbs that are grow bulbs that can go directly in the lamps you already have. So you don't need to buy anything fancy. The bulbs are pretty expensive and they're sold at most local hardware stores.

So you're really spending like $5 on a bulb instead of spending $30 on some fancy contraption. Yeah. Yeah, my mom has a shop light. It's like a metal lampshade with a clip. It's just a cheap shop light that she clips onto a shelf to shine her plants. Her version of it. Oh, yeah, that guy. Sophie's demonstrating one here for the audio listeners.

Her empty nesting has involved a whole grow situation. Like there's no dining room at my parents' house anymore. There's nowhere for us to eat when we go home. The dining room is a greenhouse. I love that. She's got tropical plants that have to live inside in the winter she's got like a bougainvillea that's like 10 feet tall that comes in the house in the winter amazing i just bought some bougainvillea that i have in a pot right now because i grew up

with bougainvillea in california and i finally found a nursery that had it in oregon and i was like home yes i always i always thought it was a potted plant until I saw it outside in a tropical environment it's not a potted plant it's not a pot not in San Diego it is a plant that will take over your garden sorry James we've gone off the rails back to what you're saying it's okay yeah returning to the rails I did want to plug native seed search I love native seed search for finding different and exciting seeds and preserving indigenous peoples horticultural traditions and like life ways i have grown lots of seeds from native seed search with great success and it's cool in a world of increasingly like

monocultural agriculture to preserve something that is part of someone's culture zapatistas will also send you corn i'm sure anyone on the left who's over 30 years old is very familiar with Zapatista corn, I'm sure. But for the youth among us, you can order corn from Zapatistas. It actually comes from somebody in San Diego who will send you some of this sort of heritage variety corn and you're preserving this corn.

And in a world where corn is increasingly commercialized, things like Monsanto have a lockdown on some of these corn varieties, that are patented varieties. Even if you don't sow them, they're sort of invading the genome of these indigenous corn types. So keeping these varieties alive is a cool thing to do. I used to do this when I was like 16. This is like early activism me,

was like growing some Zapat like early activism me was like growing some Zapatista corn in my parents' greenhouse. But that's the thing you can do if you want cool corn. I think it's important too to look up what's native to your area, not just because it is, you know, the right thing to do, but it'll grow better where you live. The pollinators will be attracted to it where you live. I was just looking up like here in Virginia, the Department of Wildlife Resources will sell you native seeds for your area at a pretty good affordable price. So like look up what wants to live where you are growing it. Yeah, totally.

A lot of things like ornamental garden plants are highly invasive and destructive to your local habitat. So things that might look really nice in your yard are destructive to your environment. Yeah, that's a big thing well it's probably a big thing everywhere but like in california we talk about like invasive mustard right when you see these big yellow hillsides in california that's an invasive plant of course there's the climate changes what is indigenous to one area may no longer be suitable for growing there and that's definitely happened with some plants and i get a lot of plants as well from Desert Survivors which is a little nursery in Tucson Arizona where I like to go and buy desert plants because I do not like to have plants that are extremely thirsty for water this is my

transition to our watering segment you need to water your plants right this is something that people probably know but some tips for watering you want to water your plants, right? This is something that people probably know, but some tips for watering. You want to water your plants regularly and consistently. Plants can get stressed. If you have a lot of water, then no water, then a lot of water again. If you're using a vibed space watering strategy, you might be causing your plant excessive stress.

So I like to water my plants morning or evening because in the heat of the day, you're going to lose more to evaporation. If you're really going for it, you can set up a drip feeder, which is a pretty cool system where there are lots of little lines and they just drip water onto your plants. Those are a really great way to irrigate. You can also do what I often do, which is drink a lot and then use your plants as an excuse for doing that by taking the little glass bottles and making plant waterers out of them. So you fill them up and then basically shove them in the ground as long as you can get a good plug of soil in the end of the bottle. I misunderstood where you were going with that. I thought you were pissing on your vegetables.

No. So I've heard of putting urine in your compost tumbler, something about the urea and the nitrogen, but I don't think you're supposed to piss right on the tomatoes. No. I was trying to understand what Molly's thinking face was. Molly's baffled by this bottle idea. I don't pee on my garden. I mean, it's sort of street-facing.

I think it would be sort of lewd and lascivious. For the record, Molly does not pee on her garden. Yeah. I mean, it's sort of street facing. I think it would be sort of lewd and lascivious. For the record, Molly does not pee on her garden. I want everyone to know that Molly's not a garden pee-er. No, but watering is a big issue for me, right? So because it's not supposed to be a garden there, there's no hose. There's no water source. There's no external spigot for me to hook up a hose to. So I have to use a two-gall gallon watering can that I fill in my bathtub and

then take out one at a time. And so, you know, you're supposed to like the equivalent of one inch of water per week is about average for a little vegetable garden, which is like 0.6 gallons per square foot. So for my 10 foot by 10 foot, I'm looking at 60 gallons a week. So I've every other day fill up my watering can, you know, 10 or 20 times. It's an endeavor. It's a good workout. It's an endeavor. Yeah, it's a commitment to the plants.

You could like do a hose and run it out your window from the tap. I looked into it. So for people who live in apartments and have a lot of houseplants, there's like an adapter you can get for your kitchen sink that you can screw a hose onto. But I do not have the right kind of faucet for that. Disappointing. I bet someone listening has a solution for molly's plants but first it's time for advertisements i hope it's an advertisement for pissing outside that would be great but i would read the advert for pissing outside i just feel like that's what we're missing the world is a toilet surely like jocko or someone has done a like pissing outside.

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Sophie? What? Annuals just live for the one growing season. Perennials will come back next year. Is the short of it. I definitely could have answered that. Well, you didn't, did you, Sophie? So your tomatoes are annuals. Allegedly, my jalapeno was supposed to be a perennial. She did not of it. I definitely could have answered that. Well, you didn't, did you, Sophie? So your tomatoes are annuals. Allegedly, my jalapeno was supposed to be a perennial.

She did not make it. R.I.P. We've had a couple of peppers over winter. I have a Thai bird chili that made it from a couple of winters now. It'll depend a little bit on where you are as well, if they'll make it through the winter. And I think I should have pruned it back earlier before the frost. I think they winter better if you prune them back. It was potted. I could have sunk the pot in the soil so the soil temperature would remain more constant.

But I didn't do that. I bought a new one. I respect that. So some other things to consider. I'm going through things that you might need to add as your garden grows. Would be like frames for plants that creep or plants that climb. Some tomatoes will need a frame. For Molly's cucumbers, you're going to need a frame.

Oh, I got a little A frame for my cukes this year. But I hate tomato cages. Those, I mean, you've seen them. They're round, little at the bottom. And then they get bigger. These horrible round wire cages. They're ugly. They're hard to store.

I live in an apartment. What am I going to do with that the other eight months out of the year? So what I did last year is a technique called Florida weave, where you use posts and twine. And you sort of, so you have the posts along the row. And then you, between the posts, you weave the twine on either side of the plants. And it worked really well until my tomatoes became 10 feet tall because I bought five foot posts. But it was good in theory. Yeah, that's how commercial tomatoes are grown.

It was much more affordable than buying like something large because I just went to Tractor Supply and bought, actually the stakes I bought are for putting up electric fences. So they have clips every few inches along the post. Oh, that's so convenient. To clip the wire into. So I used that to hold on the twine, and they were like $1.50 a piece.

So it was much more affordable and more storage-friendly. So floor to weave them. Great idea. Love that. Yeah, love that. Someone gave me a load of bamboo, and I just made frames out of that, and just, it's fun to do a little A-frame hitch and make a little frame, and then

you can just collapse it, because the A-frame hitch relies on a little frame and then you can just collapse it right because the a-frame hitch so it relies on the spreading of the bottom to give it tension so you just you bring them together again and you can store it over the winter yeah so there are a lot of solutions out there that don't involve buying a 50 contraption at Lowe's you know like don't feel like you have to invest a lot of money in like objects and gadgets and things yeah I think generally actually there's a lot of shit that's marketed and gadgets and things yeah i think generally actually there's a lot of shit that's marketed at trying to get your plants to grow and like the chances are if your plants you're having not as much success as you would hope they're not getting enough light

they're not getting enough water or they're not getting enough nutrients or it's too cold or too hot for them you don't need a big gadget yeah you don't need to buy a thing and it is one of those areas where you can find very useful information on the internet. So if you're struggling with a certain plant, there is almost certainly someone who's already had that struggle and you can find their solutions. There are some pretty good websites for searching up that stuff. The last thing I wanted to cover was pruning and weeding and pest management,

which can be a bit of a mission. Right now I'm fighting an uphill struggle against some gophers. They have targeted me. You have to shoot them. This is the problem. I live in a relatively built up area. I am a person who grew up in agriculture. I know how to manage pests.

But unfortunately, all the things that I would have done are felony crimes. Big government is interfering with your urban farm. Yeah, yeah. Once again, the boot of the man is on my neck. I am at war with the squirrels here. That's weird. They didn't mess with me last year, I guess, because we had just moved in and they saw the dogs

and they were concerned about the dogs. But this year they're feeling bold. And they are digging holes. every day they're digging holes they are burying peanuts in my garden and i keep pulling peanuts out of the i have a fucking peanut problem too i'm not jimmy carter i'm not farming peanuts they're not afraid of buccanato i guess because last year they didn't get got so this year they're feeling like and Oh, Anderson keeps the squirrels at bay. They know their place and that it is her yard. A Bucconotto on patrol though.

Are they able to access the pit? No, the pit is like not accessible to dog. But like sometimes they're out on the patio barking. But the solution that I have found, because apparently I'm not allowed to shoot them, is cayenne pepper. Yes. Cayenne pepper is a great solution. I bought several pounds of cayenne pepper in bulk, and I just sprinkle it on all of the surfaces, like on the surface of the soil, along the wall, around the pit, because they don't want to walk in it and smell it. So it keeps them off the wall so they don't end up down in the pit to dig. I do the same. You get you get some that some chili oil a

little bit of water you put a spray bottle and it just keeps a lot of bugs away as well yeah mace your plants yeah unfortunately i have um don't sprinkle into the wind oh no yeah friend oh i've done the same thing molly i've maced myself trying to do that. As my strawberries start to ripen, I'm thinking like maybe I should stop macing the strawberries. No, just grow maced strawberries. Then you'll be immune. If you ate enough of them, you could become like the Hulk. You know, they spray you and you just get stronger.

Yeah, I'm doing mithridatism with police brutality. I love that for you. The guy who lets his snakes bite him a little bit all the time. Yeah. But for cops, I love that. There are lots of solutions to this which don't involve that for you like the guy who lets his snakes bite him a little bit all the time and yeah but for cops i love that there are lots of solutions for this which don't involve like spraying your plants with a butt ton of roundup or roundup will probably kill them but other pesticides right like don't spray your plants with roundup might kill you as well but yeah you have to first ascertain

what pest you're dealing with right so for the gophers one of the things you can do is you know construction netting it's like chicken wire but thinner yeah you can put that because the roots of the plant can still get through that so you put that at the bottom of your planter right where it sits on the soil the roots of the plant can still get through but mr gopher cannot mrs gopher non-binary gopher can't get through their netting just like a physical block i've heard people say that cat litter is something you can sprinkle and they think a cat's around you can also just make a little house for a cat that doesn't have one so that it comes and lives near your plants we had that for a while a little neighborhood cat came and stayed and they kept the rat problem to a minimum you can use things like

have you seen the ultrasound gopher preventers? Yeah, I can't use one of those because I think it would bother the dogs, right? Like it would bother other small mammals. I have ones that I got on Jeffrey Bezos' website that are not in fact ultrasound. They're very much just regular sound. I think I was missold those. So they're worth trying. They're all sort of non-lethal methods as well. You can get a plastic owl. Yes, you can if you've got a bird problem.

You can also get bird netting if they're eating your berries. And I would suggest that you get a variety of plastic animals, actually. My mom has a koi pond. And so she got a plastic heron to scare away the real heron that eats the fish. And my dad misunderstood the purpose of the heron, right? It was a functional plastic bird. It was to scare away the real bird that eats the fish. And my dad misunderstood the purpose of the heron, right? It was a functional plastic bird. It was to scare away the real bird that eats the fish. And so he thought like, oh, like we like fake birds now.

And so he very lovingly bought her a bunch of like different fake plastic birds for the yard. Oh, that's so endearing. Yeah, it's adorable. But it does not keep the heron away. Yeah. He's eating the fish. It's a bummer. Maybe you need a more intimidating plastic heron to keep buying until you find the one, you know?

Like a really buff one. Yeah. Yeah, a buff one that's giving the middle finger. Because birds do that. Mm-hmm. Hench herons do that, and they're buff like that. What other pest management things do we recommend? Oh, I love neem oil for thrips and aphids neem oil rules

i don't put any poison on my plants because i'm i'm against it but i have a spray bottle that i put a little bit of neem oil and a little bit of dawn dish soap in and then mostly just hot water after that shake that bad boy up and spray them down ladybird so a great one. Ladybugs for the Americans in the audience. The only thing I use like is like, it's not really a poison. It's a bacteria. I don't know, debatable. I buy these Bacillus thuringiensis. I use that to keep the caterpillars away. There's also like a lot of different plants you can plant with your crops to help keep pests at bay, you know, thinking know thinking like you know a lot of herbs which you would want to grow anyways like mint and rosemary and lavender and catnip and then also

marigolds always good lemongrass citronella grass i co-plant marigolds and basil with my tomatoes but it looks nice also i wanted to mention pruning. Yes. You do want to be pruning your plants. With tomatoes, you want to pull off the suckers, right? If you imagine your tomato is like a V, and then a third sprout is coming up from the middle of the V. You guys should see what James is doing with his hands right now.

Yeah, for the several thousand people who are not in the room, I'm making a V with my hand and then an extra finger in the middle of the V. I can't do this without making myself laugh now, Molly. But yeah, pull off the suckers. You're generally going to want to prune your plants, right? This will encourage them to fruit instead of just growing. Yes, especially with your herbs. You want to top your herbs because once they go to seed, they stop growing. Yeah. Oh, they taste like ass. Cut your rosemary often.

Give it a trim. People get really scared about pruning or pollarding. If you've got a tree, pollard it. But it's really not that scary. Again, depending on your plant, you'll find some good videos on youtube yeah and the last thing i wanted to talk about is rotating your crops oh yeah did you learn about this in school like we did or is this just a british they teach you guys about crop rotation yeah that was not in any of my classes really you didn't have the three field system no i learned that from like some nice YouTuber.

Okay, well, there's a niche for you there if you're a British person. Teach American people shit they should have learned in school on YouTube. It's going to take a long time. That's a long program. Yeah, you're overestimating our education system. So you can rotate your crops. So if you're growing the same thing in the same soil every year, it's going to pull the same stuff out every year, right? So unless you're replenishing your soil, you want to do you've got your annual plants

right you do want to aerate your soil turn it over you can get a soil aerator that's controversial you don't believe in soil aeration it's controversial my belief is you should augment and aerate your soil or you can rotate your crops right which what you're doing there is not growing the same thing every year. And crucially, what you want to include in a crop rotation is a nitrogen fixing plant, which is to say a leguminous plant.

So the squirrels are actually trying to help me by planting those peanuts. Yes, I guess peanuts are a legume. I'd never thought of that. Yeah. From a country where peanuts wouldn't grow. I guess I should apologize to the squirrels. Yeah, little farming squirrels.

I like to do peas. They're a legume. A lentil. Everyone loves a lentil. It's kind of fun to grow a little lentil. I hate a lentil. Do you? Yes, I remember you said this on Twitter.

This is incredible to me. It's because biting into a lentil, the way that surface tension breaks when you bite it, to me is exactly how I imagine it would feel to bite into an engorged tick. I was just reading about someone who bit a tick. I just decided I am anti-lentil just based on that. I'm so sorry. We can't allow money to ruin lentils.

Lentils are your friend. I know they're great. They're a great source of non-meat protein, but I can't do it. Apparently, I no longer can do it apparently i no longer can do it either cook them enough and there's not the surface tension or get split ones you know the red lentils that are split and then you have attention i can do that yeah okay okay we've agreed on i'm like 50 lentil by mass if if i didn't have lentils i don't know if i would make it i make a big thing of lentils every single sunday and then

i eat them most of the week it never even occurred to me like what does a lentil plant look like which part of the plant is the lentil it's the seed i think it's the legume it's the that sounds labor intensive to harvest it's not too bad it's kind of fun because lentils play such an important role in my life i like to grow them it's nitrogen back, but you can put any leguminous plant, right, would fix the nitrogen back in your soil. And if you rotate those through and even leave your soil fallow for a while so they don't grow anything, right?

If you have the space to do that, rotating your crops around, right? So you have like a fallow and then something else and then a legume and then you just rotate them around every year. I just have the pit. You could segment off the pit. You could do pit quarters then you just rotate them around every year i just have the pit you could segment off the pit you could do pit quarters and you could rotate them around you could have lentils you could have tomatoes basil and then a little fallow patch for the dogs to run around in

i've just let you say tomatoes and basil this entire time yeah i'm so glad thank you thank you for not making me feel feel bad i was thinking it i want you to know but i kept i held it in like a winner until the very end so yeah the very end my grandmother says tomato yeah good yeah americans do yeah really the ones i've met i feel like they're either doing it sometimes people will meet me and then start talking like me incredible it's not at all it's really weird when you notice someone changing their vowels yeah it's very weird i don't know if this happens to everyone if it's just a thing that happens to british people so yeah that's my message for you all grow plants do not start speaking like me or anyone

don't parrot people's actions just talk the way you talk it's uh it's fine but just like don't overthink it just put some plants in the dirt try it out the worst that can happen is it doesn't work it's okay yeah they're not very expensive get seeds grow them up from the seeds and never buy cut basil from the grocery store you know you spend six dollars for that little plastic blister pack of leaves don't do it it's cheaper to buy the whole plant and then you have unlimited basil unless you're me who can't grow unless you're sophie yeah yeah just sophie please go ahead and buy cut basil no i'll just steal some from my friends who know how to grow yeah that's another thing you can do steal oh yeah that's the other thing steal plants from your friends bring your

friends cuttings. Share your plants with friends. I don't consider it stealing to snap off little cuttings or seed heads. No, I don't either. No. My fanny pack is full of mysterious seed heads that I popped off of plants, and so I put some in the dirt because I couldn't remember what they were. That's also a really fun game.

Yeah. I can think these are cosmos. We'll find out. Get some seeds and trade them with your friends. Then everyone gets a mystery plant. A fun thing to do. And don't forget to grow a flower too. Yeah, grow a nice flower.

Attract some bees. Grow some pollinators. This is a weird little anecdote to end on. So Beyond, who are the company who make the protective combat uniform for the US.s military they also make some really nice clothing that i buy for work stuff sometimes i get afraid of being on fire so i like to buy fire retardant stuff and they send a little tag with all of their clothing so you're buying your like fire retardant base layer to wear under your plate carrier when you're working and it comes with a little tag that has plant seeds in it and if you plant the tag flowers will grow that's beautiful it's wonderful isn't it yeah it's very nice and for that reason they're my favorite purveyor of fireproof uniforms oh and

get a sun hat if you're outside gardening get a big floppy sun hat it really helps you get in the zone and it also protects you from the sun. That's a great tip. I think we should end with that. Buy a sun hat. Buy a sun hat, wear sunscreen and listen to 16th Minute of Fame,

our newest cool zone media podcast hosted by Jamie Loftus. Wow, so true. So true. Wow, yeah. Listen to it while gardening wearing a sun hat and sunscreen. I did that this morning.

That's what I was doing this morning, Sophie. How did you know? Oh, Molly. Such a legend. I was propagating my basil tops in my little sun hat listening to Jamie's show. All right. The podcast has ended. Farewell.

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