It Could Happen Here - Libs of TikTok vs a Literal Children’s Hospital

Episode Date: September 1, 2022

We walk through Libs of TikTok and Matt Walsh’s campaign of terror against trans kids and Boston Children’s Hospital.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information....

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Starting point is 00:02:18 But I guess we're starting. Chris, how are you doing today? You know, I'm running on very little sleep and a lot of bubble tea. And by bubble tea, I mean canned bubble tea. This is the good shit. Really? Yeah. Okay, so like, in terms of it being bubble tea, it's kind of okay.
Starting point is 00:02:39 In terms of it being a thing that has more sugar than like any human should ever consume and functions as an energy drink while tasting good, it's good shit. See, that's why i live that bang life baby we would not we would not get any of my scripted episodes done without bang friend of the pod yeah i drink rip it it's a favorite energy drink of colonialism it really is so speaking of colonialism actually i i don't have a colonialism tie into this uh what what i do have is a bunch of people attacking a children's hospital so on august 30th 2022 police in boston were called to investigate a bomb threat against boston children's hospital as parents waited outside in abject terror for their children who
Starting point is 00:03:25 were still trapped in the building, police bomb squad swept the building for hours. This time, there was no bomb. Next time, we might not be so lucky. Welcome to the next stage of the rights war on trans people. So, okay, how did we get to right-wingers calling in bomb threats to a children's hospital, a thing that I feel like I need to make a carve out at the beginning of this episode to talk about how absolutely absurd it is that people are sending death threats to a children's hospital
Starting point is 00:03:52 children's hospital they do healthcare for children so the answer to why this is happening is basically the rights to new media strategy. At the center of it all, once again, is Chaya Raychik, who is better known as Libs of TikTok. And yeah, Libs of TikTok. Friend of the pod.
Starting point is 00:04:16 Enemy of the pod. Recurring character on the pod. She's kind of displaced Abbott because abbott hasn't done that much lately as like the recurring pod like person her and uh her and matt welsh are really wanting to oh don't worry he's bigger care bigger yeah he's the walsh will appear and the washington post editorial page that one always can be a villain you know i i could i could write it i could write like all of my episodes about the washington post editorial page so i don't do it and i instead talk about this fucking twitter account which has like a million followers
Starting point is 00:04:57 and you know okay last scene sicking rabid moms with reactionaries on teachers schools drag queens and random children on the internet for the crime of being queer or supporting queer kids in any way yeah um so this is not the last time we're going to talk about her unless like miraculously she's destroyed in the next like three days but what we're going to do here is sort of take a deep dive into how our media strategy works and how sort of like the broader right wing media sphere uses and launders Raycheck's talking points through this like pseudo pseudo intellectual babble stuff to sell to a wider audience. And the strategy like functionally is not is like it's literally the same thing Alex Jones does. It's like, OK, so you misread a headline, right? Or someone puts a video in front of you that you haven't watched and then you lie about what it says
Starting point is 00:05:46 and then you like invent basically some incredibly dramatic story about what it says and then you get a bunch of other people in the right wing media sphere to like back you up for it and then when inevitably someone's like hey you're wrong you claim you're being censored this is yeah
Starting point is 00:06:01 but I don't mischaracterize anything. I just post people's own videos that they themselves post and then also just call them a pedophile for saying that they wear pronoun pins. Yeah, anyway. Yeah, it's fun. It's fun. August 11th, Lives of TikTok posted a tweet that said, quote, Boston Children's Hospital at Boston Children's is now offering, quote, gender-affirming hysterectomies for young girls. And so there's a video attached to this, right?
Starting point is 00:06:33 Young girls. The video does not say anything about this, right? The video is literally just an explanation of what a hysterectomy is. and you know but but this this like goes viral like literally three hours later matt walsh a man who once said and on video and i quote i violate my kids consent all the time i tweeted quote he said that that's on video i i am not selectively editing this he just said that um so yeah he uh he tweeted uh there needs to be an organized effort to fight back against the drugging and mutilation of children there should be rallies outside of the hospitals that butcher children there should be marches on washington with hundreds of thousands of people i will try to get this ball rolling yeah he's he's been increasingly trying to do like this
Starting point is 00:07:21 moral like superiority war and be like of course we should hate these things because I'm not a morally compromised degenerate and that that's kind of the style of talking points that he's trying to mainstream he's a popular guest on Fox News he made the he made the infamous anti trans documentary what is a woman earlier this, which we might talk about at some point. Yeah, it sucks. But he's trying to present himself as, like, an authority figure in the war against trans people. His work's been boosted by J.K. Rowling. He describes himself as a theocratic fascist, kind of jokingly, but that is just completely accurate.
Starting point is 00:08:01 There's no substantive difference between what he believes and, like, what like god is king people believe so like no or the or like he's wanting to organize rallies outside of like trans health clinics to like destroy trans research what does huh i wonder never happened in human history anyway uh continue yeah so walsh walsh i i also want to mention this okay so as bad as was a woman is he made an even he's actually created something even worse than Anyway, continue. Yeah, so Walsh, I also want to mention this. Okay, so as bad as Was a Woman is, he made an even, he's actually created something even worse than this, which is like maybe history's most dog shit children's book.
Starting point is 00:08:34 Oh, yes. Johnny the Walrus, which is just like this, like just unbelievably transphobic piece of shit thing that he made. Like, I don't think a single child has ever read willingly. The Daily Wire's kind of push to to do like like uh children's media creation has been kind of wacky it's awful like i it's it's i don't know these people like they just they they're all hacks but the problem is if you want to make a children's book thing, like, you actually have to make something.
Starting point is 00:09:06 But you have to make something that, like, a child will like and not literally just, like, a Facebook rant. You don't need to. You have to sell it to parents. Well, yeah, sure. That's the thing, right? It's not about the actual kid. It's about the parents.
Starting point is 00:09:17 No, like, the actual children will be extremely unhappy about this. Yes. But, like, you know, okay, yeah, you can sell your facebook rants with pictures of a walrus to to your like 40 year old mothers who are scared that their kid is wearing dresses or you know whatever so all right so so matt walsh uh the the violating his kids consent man i is on on by August 15th Matt Walsh is on a show which is called The Matt Walsh Show which is a thing all of these people great title all of these people the name
Starting point is 00:09:52 of their show is just their name and it's like that's why this show is called The Robert Evans Show the show in which Robert Evans occasionally appears on it's true so you gotta hand it to tim pool he made the tim cast he showed some uh some real initiative there i mean look this this is this is the kind of innovation that only the only the right and
Starting point is 00:10:16 only entrepreneurship can bring us they changed the market has delivered by three words i mean i still remember like a decade ago when matt walsh was like a niche but growing figure in like the evangelical influencer community but i remember as as like a younger evangelical kid kind of interested in what matt walsh was doing because he was like kind of like a hipster and tried like doing like more like modern spins on some on some more kind of classic evangelical evangelical topics and then as i was getting out more kind of classic evangelical topics. And then as I was getting out of evangelical Christianity, Walsh was getting way more radical in line with the lead up to Trump.
Starting point is 00:10:59 And then he just went fully off the deep end. And even as me and my family's late stages of being christian we're like oh this walsh guy is like kind of nuts he's like he is like going in some weird directions he used to be kind of more like a moderate evangelical still very conservative but like he used to kind of be the cool kid on the block in this like influencer sphere and then we're like oh no he is like he's doing some weird shit yeah and and that weird shit so like okay so he goes on his show and he starts screaming about how uh puberty blockers are chemical uh castration castrations yes which is like this is objectively
Starting point is 00:11:38 not true like people like matt walsh and like chai richard will argue that like it's the same drug and like yeah you can use fertilizer to make a car bomb. That doesn't mean that gardening is terrorism. Yes. As, as you, if, if,
Starting point is 00:11:50 as long as you were taking it, it should make you not able to reproduce as you're taking it. Then when you stop taking it, you can, you can reproduce again. And also it's kind of concerning how much they're, they're worried about 12 year olds, not being able to reproduce, uh, temporarily.h repeat matt walsh i i violate let me go back let
Starting point is 00:12:11 me go back and read this exact quote because i i don't i don't want this to be taken uh i i don't want him to argue that i'm quoting him uh i violate my kids consent all the time oh man no i he he claims that was only about forcing his kids to clean their room but we'll that is some interesting word choices you know okay and obviously for like the puberty puberty blocker thing we've talked about this on the show before they're trying to frame this as like if you take if your kid gets on puberty blockers they'll be permanently sterile which just isn't true that that's just false like that that is that is not that's not how these drugs work um this they're also claimed that these drugs are uh are like fatal they're like look with people who took this drug this mat this massive
Starting point is 00:12:55 percentage of them ended up dying um as they were on it and this is because the drugs also used to treat terminal illnesses so the it's like for like a specific like heart condition or like or i think i think it's i think it's some of the heart condition thing um so people like old people who are on the drug will die on the drug because of their because of their like condition that drug is treating them for so they try to use that false statistic to then make it be like kids are dying on this puberty blocker which is again is not true it's all blatantly false things yeah we're gonna get into more of the bullshit they get into in a second correct yeah it's a it's a it's a time um the other thing he's he's doing they've really they've
Starting point is 00:13:34 really started leaning into this one is screaming about hospitals mutilating children because you know this is it's an incredibly sort of lurid image and it's like okay so he's just like literally what he's describing is just a hysterectomy right which is like a thing that is just a regular medical procedure that also and i cannot emphasize this enough no one under 18 is getting a hysterectomy not really i mean there is again i think a few a few places have specific conditions for people who are over the age of medical consent in the state that they're in like for instance oregon's medical consent for most things is a 16 years old um there's certain conditions for like 17 year olds usually to start the process if yeah yeah you can get consult like yeah yeah
Starting point is 00:14:18 the thing about the hospital they're they're all screaming about is there's a thing that says 17 on a document talking about this and what they mean is that you can start consultations when you're 17 but in boston like this hospital has never they've never done this will never give history to a 17 year old they're not doing top surgery on like 15 year olds that that just like that just isn't something that happens um there's possibly been like uh like like literally a couple like literally like through pause like one to three extremely rare incidents that uh patients doctors uh therapists and medical professionals have have done things to to help treat very severe gender dysphoria but that is only extremely few instances because all of these surgeries and all these treatments
Starting point is 00:15:05 are so medically gate-capped. I have a friend who's been trying to get top surgery, they are an adult, and they've been doing this process, and it takes years. It is so challenging.
Starting point is 00:15:21 There is an entire system of gender bureaucrats whose like entire job is you have to like like you have to convince these people that your gender is real and it yeah yeah the gender you're allowed to do things you're allowed to sign off on things happening to your body yeah also that too like i okay you know okay the the product of all of this bullshit is like you know all the sort dramatic, they're coming for your kids, shit, succession. This like absolute obsession with making sure that people with uteruses can like, you can force them to have kids later down the line. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:54 The product of this is Matt Walsh goes on his show and starts yelling about how this needs to be stopped. And then like coyly suggest maybe we should start with Boston Children's Hospital. Like that same day, Boston Children's Hospital was deluged with death threats. Boston Children's Hospital. Like that same day, Boston Children's Hospital was deluged with death threats. Now, Media Matters goes after him and Matt Walsh makes a bunch of tweets
Starting point is 00:16:10 about how he's been taking out of context and the death threats aren't his fault. But like, you know, okay. The context is him yelling, will somebody rid us of this imbeddlesome children's hospital over and over again? So I think Matt Walsh doth protest too much.
Starting point is 00:16:23 And, you know, even as the sort of like the threats mount right like this fake story spreads just like all over the conservative like ecosystem like wildfire like bright bart has an article up about it like on day one like within a few hours of like uh right check making this like fake tweet um within within a week it's on gateway pundit it's on daily caller it's on the blaze it's on daily wires onit it's on daily caller it's on the blaze it's on daily wires on fox news it's you know it's hit the entire ecosystem um the problem okay like try to write check like very quickly realize this is going viral she just keeps tweeting about
Starting point is 00:16:55 it keeps reading about it keeps tweeting about it but she has this problem which is that everything she's saying is a complete it's like an incredibly easily demonstrable lie and so she keeps having to like try to yell at like fact checkers and like regular people who are going like this is just bullshit and like like the hospital itself has to issue a statement being like hey we don't actually do this and they had to like they had to change their website to make it clear that 17 year olds don't actually get the surgeries you can just get the nobody ever has like they've never done this like this well you know and this is this is kind of a problem for the propaganda wing because like chaya right check is
Starting point is 00:17:29 like a fucking hack and her stuff isn't going to convince anyone who like isn't already convinced that like trans people are evil and that like you know okay at this point i think in earlier in 2021 and 2022 i think she may have been able to craft propaganda, which convinces people. At this point, it's gone so much further that, yeah, I don't think her radius is going to severely grow in terms of people who are like, you know, if someone's fine with trans people, I don't think they're going to look at her page and suddenly be like, oh, these trans people seem like they're bad, actually. No, she doesn't have the sort of advertising ability to do this. But do you know who does have the advertising ability to sell you things? Is it our lovely and very, very, very trans-friendly sponsors? Every single one of them.
Starting point is 00:18:24 Chevron. What other sponsors do we have? I have no idea. Washington State Patrol. That's right. Washington State Highway Patrol. Blue April. God.
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Starting point is 00:22:41 Chaya Raychek is that she's a hack and she can't convince anyone who doesn't convince. And this is where a bunch of people who are not actually any smarter than Chaya Raychek, but like can write more fancy swing into gear. Yeah. And I'm going to walk through some of the arguments they're using so you can see how bullshit that like even the quote unquote more research shit is once you actually look at the stuff they're citing in these like very official looking threads. once you actually look at the stuff they're citing in these very official-looking threads. So, for example, on August 17th, Wesley Yang, who is a hack pundit who, admittedly, I must applaud him
Starting point is 00:23:10 for doing more in his lifetime to combat the stereotype that Asian Americans are smart than any other person ever born has, did a thread attempting to defend lives of TikToks like, you know, the thing about Boston Children's Hospital giving out hysterectomies. And, okay, so it starts with him going all right all right so we're gonna work through this right he's like okay
Starting point is 00:23:28 they've done gender surgery uh-huh i wonder what that means why it means they gave like three people mastectomies right and then they've done gender surgery yeah who under what conditions like apparently apparently they they may they may actually have given like three people who were like 17 mastectomies which is again not a hysterectomy this is a different thing okay and then and then he goes well okay so hospital there's hospital doc showing it they that they do do genital surgeries but then also he admits that uh they don't it's never happened yeah also the document says they could do it but they never have a base base document but i've misread and
Starting point is 00:24:13 don't understand the difference between a consultation and getting it a surgery because i am a clown and a hack who destroyed his entire brain for money in like 2015 i i would be interested in seeing you know if they're arguing that 17 year olds cannot medically consent to surgeries i wonder what their opinions are on what 17 year olds can consent to in other in other situations well i mean there's there's there's two angles for that right there is the uh i there is i what what percentage of these people like fucking Tucker Carlson have gone on a show and defended child marriage? And then there's the second question, which is okay.
Starting point is 00:24:51 So if these people aren't okay. So if, if, if, if you think that a 17 year old is too young to quote unquote, mutilate their bodies, uh, why are you allowing people? Why are you allowing these people to be in the lead up to joining the army? A place where you will in fact fact, get actually mutilated. Also, ignore the concept of circumcision. Anyway, let's continue. Yeah, it's great.
Starting point is 00:25:12 So, okay. So the last thing he does is he starts ranting about other clinics who've done mastectomies. So let's take this piece by piece. So first of all, again, no trans dude under 18 is getting a hysterectomy like at this hospital. It has never happened. It will never happen. There's anecdotal evidence that suggests that trans women have been able to get bottom surgeries like elsewhere when they were, when they were like at like age 17. But if you chase down the citation chain, all of the evidence for this is purely anecdotal.
Starting point is 00:25:48 So there's no actual like evidence that like this happened. It's just they found they found several studies, all of which are siding with each other. And the beginning one starts with I heard some stories about this. So this is this is going great. I love this. On the mastectomy front, like, like, okay. So like the, like the, some, there are some trans men who have gotten mastectomies like when they were technically a minor.
Starting point is 00:26:09 Right. But like, okay. Again, depending on the age of medical consent in the state and depending on what other like procedures and other treatment options were available after years of therapy and consultations. And also we should mention this,
Starting point is 00:26:23 like the mastectomy, cis, cis girls get mastectomies like all the fucking time this is like this is a regular procedure that like just people get we should explain what mastectomies and hysterectomies are for people and just in case they're not familiar i think yeah so okay so hysterectomy basically is the the okay what was the simplest way to explain it like surgical removal of the uterus right yeah well yeah yes it's mostly the so it's the removal of the uterus there are like some versions of it where you get your ovaries taken out too um yeah yeah mastectomy is like you getting your breast
Starting point is 00:27:00 removed or you're also sometimes it's like size reduction stuff yeah um it's a it's a fairly common procedure this happens like all the time and okay if you look at what's happening here right so there's no evidence that the kids are getting hysterectomies so what what resley yang and like chris rufo have to do is redirect focus on gender affirming mastectomies because again they don't have any evidence the first thing's happening and then because they don't have any evidence uh they have to start using conspiracy logic and going like well this other thing happens and other people also did a completely other unrelated thing somewhere else and this is evidence that this hospital has secretly been
Starting point is 00:27:37 giving these things out even though you just said like three treats before they've never done one they've never actually done a hysterectomy it's incredible stuff right like this i need to point this out like what wesley ying like there was a period of time like to get an understanding of like people people who weren't around in 2010s to understand like how bad the intellectual scene was like there was a time where this guy was like the like the rising asian american intellectual like star who was like supposed to be like this is this sort of like like great revolutionary like thinker of of of the new 21st century and here he is doing this bullshit because absolute goddamn clown i hate him yeah okay so moving on to other stuff like but the thing is like this doesn't matter like the fact that everything they're saying is a lie and is
Starting point is 00:28:20 bullshit like doesn't matter to transphobes because all they need is like they need this sort of like visceral emotional pull of the sort of, like, visceral, emotional pull of the sort of, like, they're mutilating children shit, and then the other thing they need is, like, threads that make it look like what they're saying is true. And this is enough to get a huge part of the sort of conservative base on board. And once they're
Starting point is 00:28:38 on board, you know, it starts to move, right? The story spreads to the Donald, which is, like, the re-hosting of the old rslast, the Donald subreddit that was banned for being like an absolute cesspool of abuse and they start organizing campaigns to harass people who work at this hospital and this just gets worse after matt walsh and people like uh steve deist like start targeting specific doctors and calling them demonic and screaming about like butchers and so okay so by the 18th we're on like day six or day seven of people like doing this bullshit we're on day five of people sending death threats to a children's
Starting point is 00:29:12 hospital and finally a platform does something uh so uh facebook bans lives of tiktok for one day day and then they're back the next day it worked yeah so you know okay but they use that time to reflect right and to think about what they've done and to change yeah yeah their change was we need to post more about this and so you know we should like like the social media companies are never actually going to do anything about lives of tiktok because lives for tiktok especially with twitter lives of tiktok is good for Twitter in the same way that Trump was. Like, you know, like its presence, it brings traffic. They generate conflict, which is the entire purpose of the Twitter algorithm. They drive advertiser revenue.
Starting point is 00:29:57 They get a lot of engagement. There's no reason to ban them. Yeah. And like with Twitter, especially like with Trump gone, right? They had to ban Trump for political reasons because he tried to overthrow the government. But with Trump gone, Twitter is just a declining social media platform.
Starting point is 00:30:14 It sure is. And, you know... I watched the old Donald Trump Pizza Hut commercial yesterday, and I forgot how funny Donald Trump was. Like, as long as he's playing the character of Donald Trump, he's actually really funny. Then I remembered all the fascism parts, and then I did something else. Anyway, yeah. Yeah, but like, you know, okay, so like, yeah, we've talked about this, but like, yeah, okay.
Starting point is 00:30:42 So like, the way this sort of thing works, right, is that they get all these users in engagement from the right starting like a campaign against Children's Hospital, then they get engagement from the left going after them, they make money no matter who wins. And like, you know, sometimes they'll ban like Trump, right? Because, you know, or they'll do temporary bans of right wing people, because that gives you like good liberal media attention. And then, you know, and that gives time for a cycle to sort of build up for the conservatives to all talk about how they're being censored and then when they return to the platform, they do their whole Iowa Censored arc. We've seen this with Jordan Peterson 15 times. So with Lizard TikTok, on the 25th,
Starting point is 00:31:20 on August 25th, they start targeting another children's hospital and this this time it was a children's national hospital in washington dc which is like dc's like by far largest and most important children's hospital and they bring they bring their website down like the same stuff is happening and twitter finally locks looms of tiktok off of their account for a week um partially what's happening here was like there's pressure by friend of the show and previous guests alejandra carballo who's been doing like a lot of great work like documenting and like documenting what lives to talk about doing and like sparring with
Starting point is 00:31:54 them and uh try a right chick like keeps misgendering her because chaya is a fucking enormous piece of shit who should be flushed down the toilet into the sewers where shit belongs um unfortunately like uh well okay so so some of the some of the like dozens of tweets that that i uh live to talk made about children's hospitals and take it down a lot of them are still up and you know probably what's gonna right now currently she's still banned off twitter but like you know what's gonna happen is there's gonna be like a wave of like good liberal media press and then there's gonna be the next wave of the conservative outrage over censorship and cancer culture stuff and then she'll be back
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Starting point is 00:35:00 Hi, I'm Ed Zitron, host of the Better Offline podcast, and we're kicking off our second season digging into how Tex's elite has turned Silicon Valley into a playground for billionaires. From the chaotic world of generative AI to the destruction of Google search, Better Offline is your unvarnished and at times unhinged look at the underbelly of tech from an industry veteran with nothing to lose. to lose. This season, I'm going to be joined by everyone from Nobel-winning economists to leading journalists in the field, and I'll be digging into why the products you love keep getting worse and naming and shaming those responsible. Don't get me wrong, though. I love technology. I just hate the people in charge and want them to get back to building things that actually do things to help real people. I swear to God things can change if we're loud enough,
Starting point is 00:35:43 so join me every week to understand what's happening in the tech industry and what could be done to make things better. Listen to Better Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever else you get your podcasts. Check out betteroffline.com. in a sub stack post our right chick said quote now more than ever i need your support please consider becoming a paid subscriber so i can continue this important work when i get banned permanently it's only a matter of time i'll need your help to keep the lights on so i can continue telling the truth they can't cancel me if you don't let them because there it is yeah it begins yeah i mean like i kind of says enough like this has all always been a grift like this is like her fourth attempt yeah she's been trying her fourth attempt yeah to like she's been trying to become a viral twitter personality for years yeah she just found the one she finally found something that worked
Starting point is 00:36:51 and that's uh baiting conservatives into being mad at trans people yeah or giving them like some kind of excuse for being mad at trans people right like yeah it's like a self self-validation thing yeah yeah they want targets like specific specific they want specific targets to focusing it yeah um yeah and like yeah i mentioned this like okay like right chick like is an actual human piece of shit like her ideology is bad but like it is the stuff that she's doing is mostly about money and this is true of like the entire ecosystem right like all of the conservative outlets this is why like matt walsh and his like bullshit anti-trans documentaries like all of these people spend all of their time staring at metrics and looking at their fucking viewer data looking at the anti-trans data the anti-trans documentary is paywalled behind daily wire plus
Starting point is 00:37:40 the hit new stream service yep like it's like it's funny because like all of these people like rant constantly and there's there's there's like increasingly anti-semitic versions of it about how like the trans activist the trans lobbyer like funded by billionaires like every single one of these people is like getting paid
Starting point is 00:38:00 by fucking George Soros presumably well supposedly we're all getting paid by George Soros in reality I did all the old supposedly we're all getting paid by by George Soros I in reality it's the rights all getting paid by what my black you know the guy's name the fucking Fox guy teal no the well they are they are now getting paid why they are they are in a deal but I was like the guy fucking media guy Roger No. Murdoch? Yeah. They're also all getting paid by
Starting point is 00:38:28 their rabid base of guys who own boat dealerships and think they're working class because they have a Ford F-150 and like, yeah. It sucks. So true. There are about 900,000 subscribers to this Daily Wire.
Starting point is 00:38:44 To Daily Wire Plus, the hit new streaming service? That's correct. That's why it's a hit. Then they give it such a catchy name. But yeah, that's a shit ton of money for someone, right? And you can just keep pumping out hate, getting Gina Caruso to make crappy films. That's right.
Starting point is 00:39:00 Yeah, that's an amazing career arc. She went from Deadpool to from deadpool to star wars to ben shapiro she was gonna have her own star wars show terror on the prairie it's amazing fucking hunter biden like that that's the oh god like oh the hunter biden trailer god yeah there's Oh, the Hunter Biden trailer. God. Yeah. There's this trailer for a film that I forget who's, I forget who's, who's making this one. But it's, it's a film about all of Hunter Biden's scandals and Gina, Gina's in it. And man, watching this trailer, it looks like if this was directed by a smart person, this could be an amazing comedy. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:46 Everything about it is so innately comedic, yet they're playing it as a political scandal. But no, it's just a comedy film. And if it was directed by somebody with any competency, they would have recognized it's a comedy film and it would be hilarious to watch. But instead, it's going to be boring. Look, conservatives are getting good at comedy the left is worried the left is getting very scared like the other thing like the the moment i knew that glenn greenwald had like like he wasn't just purely grifting had like actually fallen down the rabbit hole was what he spent like fucking like two years pretending that literally anyone on earth gave a shit about Hunter Biden.
Starting point is 00:40:26 Also, he hears, yeah, he's been simping for, for lips of Tik TOK. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:34 This is all, all, all leading up to his, uh, uh, incredibly hard ball interview with Alex Jones. Great, great stuff.
Starting point is 00:40:42 Incredible journalism. Just, Oh God god I love it here so it all sucks and the other big problem here right is like okay on the one hand all these people are just doing this to make money but the problem is that and I cannot emphasize this enough it is easier to get the materials necessary
Starting point is 00:41:00 to make a car bomb than it is to get gender affirming surgery and this is a real fucking issue because it turns out when you convince a bunch of people that children's hospitals are mutilating children, what happens? Oh, wait, hold on. I don't even need to go back to the anti-abortion terrorism, the people burning down abortion clinics and murdering healthcare workers. I can just talk about the reaction to COVID where, uh, like almost immediately after the
Starting point is 00:41:19 lockdown started, a guy tried to buy a bomb to blow up a children's hospital and was killed in a shootout with the FBI. He was killed like a week, maybe like a week and a half before another guy tried to buy a bomb to blow up a children's hospital and was killed in a shootout with the FBI. He was killed like a week, maybe like a week and a half before another guy tried to derail a train to ram a Navy medical ship. There was also the stabby lady, the lady who tried to take all the
Starting point is 00:41:36 knives on board the hospital ship. Yeah. It's just like, okay, if they're allowed to keep doing this shit, people are going to die. This isn't to, they can't be beat, especially IRL, where, like, the numbers of these people in total are actually pretty small, because, like, the number of people who actually rabidly care about this stuff is, like, a vanishingly small minority of the US. of the u.s and you know and irl that works for us because again like these people suck everyone hates them communities will come out to like to try the communities will come out to confront and defeat them but this is you know this is the this is the ecosystem the media ecosystem of the modern right it works for spreading conspiracy theories inciting mobs and then claiming they're being
Starting point is 00:42:18 censored when everyone tries to stop them so like in two to three weeks when they found another one of these things i don't know it'll be like fucking like transgender clowns are working at make a wish foundation or something we're gonna be talking about another instant another instance like this uh in tomorrow's episode um so it's great it's it's good it's not good at all that It's in fact very bad. If you do want to be mad about forced hysterectomies, consider that our immigration services has forced hysterectomies on people in their custody. It's a good
Starting point is 00:42:54 thing to be mad about. Yeah, it's a good time that we have here on this earth. Yeah, don't bomb hospitals. Please. yeah don't call them hospitals you should probably keep your lights on for Nocturnal Tales from the Shadow
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Starting point is 00:44:19 And we're kicking off our second season digging into Tex Elite and how they've turned Silicon Valley into a playground for billionaires. From the chaotic world of generative AI to the destruction of Google search, Better Offline is your unvarnished and at times unhinged look at the underbelly of tech brought to you by an industry veteran with nothing to lose. Listen to Better Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever else you get your podcasts from. offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever else you get your podcasts from. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami.
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