It Could Happen Here - Listen to AI Executives Laughing At People Losing Their Jobs: CES 2025

Episode Date: January 8, 2025

Robert and Garrison are joined by Ed Zitron and Ed Ongweso Jr. to discuss the future of AI entertainment at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Call zone media. Welcome back to It Could Happen Here, a podcast about it, which in this week's case is the Consumer Electronics Show, is happening here. And yeah, we're here to talk about things falling apart. And again, in this case, that's the tech industry. Because the story this CES, as it has been for the last several CESs, is that the continuing degradation of big tech as it seeks more places to get money from while providing less and less utility to the people that it needs to give it money.

And every CES at some point I find myself face to face with something that makes me say I've now seen the silliest thing I've ever seen. And this year that experience happened for the first time within 30 minutes of the first half day and I'm gonna talk about that and show some videos to my Panelists here, which of course are the great Ed Zitron. It's me. I'm here the pretty good Garrison Davis Okay, all right And the super numerate supernumerary, I'm sorry. I messed up the word

I was using as a superlative to praise you I'll take Ed on way so junior. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for joining us everybody Are you ready to see some of the dumbest AI generated videos? Fill me with more pleasure. Excellent. Excellent. Nothing fills me with pleasure So the first panel I sat down today with at 10 a.m In the goddamn morning Jesus was the Hollywood trajectory Generative AI Timeline 2025 to 2030. Oh boy, I am fascinated for what they think will happen in 2030. Everything's just gonna get better, Garrison.

This panel featured a number of luminary thinkers, including Mary Hamilton, a managing director at Accenture, who announced her company's $3 billion investment in AI by dropping this gem. I have a digital twin and she's constantly evolving and how she gets used and what she says and you know, there's big implications around that. So I think this is a really exciting space to be thinking about turning that. Like that she just stole Hurley Herndon's thing, but okay. Digital twin.

If I said that to a doctor, they'd think I had a concussion. They sure would. This person needs like psychological care. You shouldn't be allowed to drive if you say things like that. You need a blanket. Okay. Let's get you to sit down, all right? We're taking the phone away from you.

Now I think this is very silly because again, I think it's just a fundamental mismatch in what people might want from an AI agent and the way in which they get talked about. But also, they use Digital Twin, which is some enterprise software shit. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah, I'm excited to go see some Digital Twin technology

that I'm sure will make a cheap avatar of me from a picture. I don't like the tech industry code switching. No. This is the first thing I reported on at CES was there was the digital twin, like back in like 2022 or 2021, there was like one single company in all of CES

that was promising like a digital twin, and now it's like every other company at CES. It means so many different things. It means literally a digital representation of anything. It doesn't even mean an AI agent. The fact that they're using it in the wrong place is very annoying to me. Yeah, I keep seeing like, they't even mean an AI agent. The fact that they're using it in the wrong place is very annoying to me. Yeah, I keep seeing like, they can now make an AI chatbot

trained off of your social media presence that's 85% accurate. Oh, I love 85%. As all twins are. I want to say like, no they can't, but then you talk to the average person at CES, or the average panelist on this particular panel, I'm like, yes I do believe in, everyone on that panel, you could accurately,

you could accurately get 85% of their personality with a chat bot. For a bit. Maybe a lot higher. You have improvement, yeah. Yeah, so I will say, like, that was silly. That's not the silliest thing I saw. Oh.

And the silliest thing I saw came courtesy of another panelist, Jason Zada, founder of Secret Level and COO of the company. The videos that Jason came to CES to brag about were a collection of the laziest AI slop ever to stain human eyeballs. His most recent big success that you could just see radiating off of him, how proud he was of this, was Coca-Cola's annual Christmas ad, which last year was produced for the first time entirely with AI.

And I'm just gonna, if you haven't seen this, who here's seen Coca-Cola's AI ad? I've seen it. Oh, I've seen it. I haven't seen it. I guess, yeah, I've seen pictures. I think I've maybe watched it one time. Just in frame. Okay, well let's take a little watch.

I've watched it a few times to see how it, I don't know how it deserves. We're gonna play, there's three different versions of this. Why? We're just gonna play one. Well I mean that's what it spat out. Oh my god, if there's three different versions, that's just they save the pro- Ugh, fucking hell. Everyone is the same length of shot.

Can you believe this song's AI generated? I can't believe. How could they teach a computer to write the lyrics? Holidays are coming. I just can't believe we finally have the technology to have three trucks driving somewhere. And a dog wagging its tail with dead eyes. Oh, these two horrible... Squirrels covered in snow!

That's not how squirrels move! Trucks with Coca-Cola in them driving down not a street. And raccoons? Why is there a satellite? Oh, they're going to drop the ion cannon on the polar bears. Why is there a satellite? Are they gonna drop the ion cannon on the polar bears? ["All the Years Are Coming"] What the fuck?

It's all clearly AI, it's all glowing, like these city shots of like snow-colored villages with that, as we're going to see in later videos, AI loves putting smoke in random fires where there should not be smoke in random fires. Stuff like Chris Kringlepack. That's such a bad omen for four more years of a Trump presidency.

It's a bleak bleak thing. That we have like even uglier Thomas Kinkade-esque artwork. That's like shit. Every frame looks like a Thomas Kinkade thing. Shitily animated. It's like they just generated a Thomas Kinkade like frame and then like badly animated. And the way that they move is very weird.

Like it looks kind of right, but kind of right looks very strange. It does that all of the scenes, cause it's like showing you a bunch of, you see like a polar bear, obviously, it's a Coca-Cola Christmas ad. You see like a fucking reindeer, you see squirrels, you see a dog, but it always is like this very AI shot

where it just pans across the animal and it's like glowing and kind of glossy and dead-eyed. And they move a little bit bit but not too much. Like they're not going anywhere with the movement. It's just like they are doing something and that's it. Yeah, you think in ten years they're still gonna have these commercials. No, no. Because where's the snow gonna be? It's just a polar bears walking around like. System one which tests emotional responses to ads claims that the initial response to their Christmas ad was overwhelmingly positive. I don't think they're lying about that.

I think if you walked up to someone like randomly on the street and showed them this, I think they'd be like, Oh yeah, it looks fine. Yeah. No one's watching a Coca Cola ride and being like, yeah, wow. I've never had one of these before. It's not, it's never a new experience. Not yet. We need an ad man. You need an ad man for the Coke

holdouts. We need an AI Don Draper. Yeah. Oh, do not give them ideas. What if a company lost five billion dollars? Yeah, it's just an ad that doesn't work. Instead of going to the movies like Don Draper does throughout all of Mad Man, it just doesn't work and respond to any of your queries. Just Don Draper spending hours watching that looping Christmas video? Staring into nothingness. Yeah, so there was like an immediate, pretty immediate backlash to this. Like all of the responses, if you like go to any of like,

where these things live on YouTube, it's just people shitting on them. Which he did acknowledge Jason by saying the video was very debated. Yeah, sick. Classic thing with commercials. We love debating commercials. Many things was very debated. Yes. Classic thing with commercials. We love debating commercials. Many things are very debated these days.

A lot of people are saying. And then he showed us next an AI generated video, The Heist, which was entirely made by a text script that itself was mostly written by Chad GPT. And here's how Jason describes the workflow for what you're about to see. It took thousands of generations to get the final film, but I'm absolutely blown away by the quality, the consistency, and adherence to the original prompt. When I described gritty New York City in the 80s,

it delivered in spades consistently. While this is not perfect, it is hands down the best video generation model out there by a long shot Additionally, it's important. No VFX. No cleanup. No color correction has been added Everything is straight out of vo2 Google DeepMind. So what is the model vo2 Google DeepMind? I think is what he's saying it is so I thought that they had another one either way I'm sure what you're about to show me looks like a dog's ass. It looks like yeah, New York exactly like New York at Giuliani right before he came in clean it up. Uh-huh

So this is like the competitor to Sora. I guess it's the other big like video generation brand new I don't buy for a fucking and I'm not impressed but we'll see what you guys think. Okay, I don't want to poison your wouldn't oh God okay But we'll see what you guys think. I don't wanna poison your reactions. I wouldn't. Oh God, okay. There is fire in this street. That's the last time you're gonna see the sack full of money. It does not show up again.

It's a lot of fire in the street. A lot of random fire in the streets. I love when cars go backwards when they're driving forwards. Yeah, was that five wheels? Again, another street fire? I would love to do freeze frames on this. Actually, it's in Gotham. Why is there so many fires?

Just for a moment. All right, let's take a shot every time when the car's on fire. Oh my God. And also take a shot every time he is wearing different clothing and has a clearly different face. Well, the car has changed color three times.

He's praising the consistency, and he is dressed completely differently every scene. His jacket has changed since the last one. Yeah, yeah. And again, the cars, when it shows the cars driving across the screen, they're kind of doing the same thing usually that the animals do in the Coke ad. Minimal motion at the best. Yeah.

I also love this. Can you believe this music? I also want to just say when it swerved to hit that thing, it was driving like half a mile an hour. Yes. That's how I run. Yeah. Look, an obviously different man. Also the way he runs is- That's how you run him with a gun.

That cop was like he had his arms up. Two cops are chasing- Three cops. Look how they're running. He's are chasing three cops. Three cops actually. Look at them running. They spawned in a buddy. The running is very funny. Yeah, they spawned like it's ETA.

He's like, different. OK. What is going on with his feet? Different levels of facial hair, different jackets he's wearing, different colors jackets. Also vaguely different-ness in the cut. Even some of the stuff. Why did his face just move?

What the fuck is going on? Oh my God. What the fuck does that mean? Directed by Jason Zada in big flaming words because again, the AI only knows how to put random fires on things. Wow, I'm so glad that we have the technology to do a thing where a guy gets chased by the police.

Yeah, this would have been impossible before. As he runs at anywhere from one to 100 miles an hour. I assume they just trained, this was pulling on like Scorsese movies a lot I just want to know about these thousands of generations of script because that is interesting I am very curious. I just don't believe that for a fucking second. Did he just go like Just read there. Yeah. No, that's the opening crawl to just like some Star Wars That's the opening crawl to just like some generated Star Wars. The dead speak!

The Alphat team is the special cops. I assume it's like shot by shot, right? Like each shot is going to require a lot of iterations. What do you say the script would? Yeah, I mean, again, like unpacking what he actually is saying is unclear. Because I went to the YouTube video for this, and the first five or four comments are, Looks like we found the new king of video. Jesus Christ, give it a rest. Clothes change in every shot.

Four to six year old boys are gonna love it. And still lacks character and vehicle consistency, but we're getting close. By 2030, you'll be able to make a man wear the same clothes for an entire video. This has happened before with Sora. When they put Sora out they like check out Airhead on you thing. And the balloon changes every single shot. It's a different size and color each time. There are just people running in the background sometimes and then they made a new one you're like oh this is gonna be good. It was worse and less consistent and it this is what they think of us they're

like these pigs will slop up anything and you can't expect technology to do something as complicated as dress a man in clothing and have him stay in that same clothing over multiple scenes Hollywood never figured it's so cool that this cost like so much money as well yeah burning there was some fucking GPU melting and then in a data center in Arizona that's draining the local water. We're burning down North Carolina for this. Also there's gonna be like 30 40 companies trying to recreate the same misshapen wheel. You know for the next five to ten years.

And also the little pigs that watch Star Wars including myself, they'll notice every minor inconsistency. Do you think that they're gonna tolerate Luke Skywalker's and Watto and all their favorite characters? No, they're gonna drive up to the office with a cyber truck. Yeah, there's gonna be a cyber truck situation. I think the issues are twofold, which is like number one, in order to make this shit sell to the people who watch movies, you have to dramatically reduce the average intelligence of people watching movies. You have to give everyone brain damage. Which they are working on.

And the other thing is the models have to get much better. And Jason made a point that like, every time people would like talk about the criticism, he'd be like, look, this is the worst it's gonna look, guys. And I was just looking into it. GPT-4 took 50 times as many resources and like 50 times as much energy to train. GPT-4 took 50 times as many resources, like 50 times as much energy to train as GPT-3 did.

So these are the kind of like exponential increases that we're looking at. So like if it took them so many millions, billions of dollars of investment to get to the point where they can make this shitty video, to make anything close to watchable, you're talking about again, just like lighting on fire, billions of dollars, to do what?

To make a scene that you could already get like a 26-year-old dude who grew up watching fucking Quentin Tarantino movies and taking cocaine, and you could just give him $60,000 and he'll film that shit for you with an old car. I mean, you could even like animate it mm-hmm I mean look you give me a ps4 and somebody's grandmother, and I will make them think that they're watching that no seriously seriously Yeah, that'll sex on also this

I just want to read out some of the fucking people that use this model We started working with creatives like Donald Glover who I said was washed ten years ago I'm fucking sick of people and waking my love was a was a good album and this is America is an objectively bad song it's a bad song with a great video yeah I thought is jazz is like kind of R&B stuff it's very interesting anyway move right no you are right and of course the week in it so weekend and someone called his TV show was great oh yeah I'll work with creators on VO one and form the development of VO2 and we look forward to working with trusted testers and creators to get feedback on this new model.

How long are you going to get fucking feedback? It stinks. We've got some feedback. Yeah, I got a few thoughts. Hopefully all those people are just getting paid to tell them words and be like, yeah, sure, I'll take your money. But who's to say? If they give me $20 million, I'm flipping out.

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on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Ah, we're back. So the next video that our friend, I now feel he's like a brother to me, Jason, puts on was of an AI generated fictional elderly rock star talking about death. Oh, I'm excited. Oh, I'm excited. He's trying to build me up a computer to do this.

Plastic and incapable of dynamic expression as he guzzles randomly from bottles of liquor that flash in and out of existence. Sometimes he lies on his back in empty streets while talking about all of the CGI featureless women that he has loved in his exciting life. Wow. Other times he plays stadium shows

while obvious GPT written dialogue about aging and death drones on. When the video ends, everybody in the room claps. And as you watch this, I need to imagine seeing the thing that I'm about to show you all and a room with like 200 people in it, all clapping enthusiastically. You should have gone to this and booed.

I don't think, I did. I did, I did. I said, come the fuck on as loud as I could. It's like me at Riser Skywalker. Yeah, so here's Fade Out. It's George Carlin. Got an old man, yeah, it looks a little bit like George Carlin.

Oh, it's the end from Metal Gear Solid 3. A quake in your chest, like the world's just too goddamn big and you're just a ghost passing through. I've carried my heart in a sea-calf. Granddad, calm down! ...with the pieces of it scattered in every corner of the world. There's so many fast cuts. No, these fast cuts are because the next frame was unusable.

Yes, yes, yes, actually. Like he drank and the bottle changed in his hand. You can see it starting to happen. What is it? Just anonymous women. Isn't that beautiful? Listen to that. Could you believe he was just generated by a guy?

He's just firing a Roman candle into the air? I like how also the old man does look very different each time. Very different old man. Yep, that's a different guy. That's a different guy. Yeah, that's the emperor from the first Gladiator movie. He's just sort of trotting across the stage. Why is he just running away from the stage?

The way this model generates running is really uncanny. It's not, oh, there he is drinking again. Why is it on fire? Why is there a fire? Did you see this old rock star drinking in front of a flaming house? The world might end tomorrow. The AI loves burning buildings.

What is this voiceover? I would love to track his tattoos from frame to frame. We'll say he's about to eat the mic, so I'm gonna be different. I've done it. Yum. Now he's sleeping in a broken Mustang. Ferrari?

The classic Ferrari Mustang. A Ferrari Mustang that's in like a pool in front of a mansion, but he clearly hasn't crashed into it. The car is hovering slightly over the pool. Like. I love this, I love this, I love that we're. And he tells us during this,

as if we're supposed to be impressed that Chachi PT wrote 75% of that As a bartender I regret walking into the room to see if people want drinks this is the better of my bartender I apologize. I apologize that you had to hear that. I would like a drink. I also would like- Yeah, actually, can I have a drink too? We are in the better offline CES suite and we are all drinking. Cause I just want to say, I'm fucking disassociating after that.

I'm so fucking sick. Every, a year of doing this nonsense and I look at these shit eaters and they show us that and they're like slurped down the slop. Oh my God. It's, it's, it's hideous. One of the easiest things to find, an old man that drinks.

For an idea of like how real this company is, obviously they were one of the companies. They were not the only people who made that Coca Cola ad. They were one of like three or four companies. It takes four companies to make that Thomas Kip Cade ad. I can't believe it. They have 622 followers on Twitter. Hell yeah.

Or not Twitter, on YouTube. Oh, sorry. On YouTube, sorry. I don't have more on YouTube. X, X, oh, sorry. On YouTube, on YouTube, sorry. I don't have more than that, and all I post is karaoke songs. And this, this fade out is their, or sorry, the heist is their most successful video

with 56,000 views. Fade out, which we just watched, has less than 5,000 views. They're not ready. So they're not, they're not quite ready. It's only gonna get better. Yeah, it's only gonna get better. It's only gonna get better.

It's only gonna get better. So famously, things only ever get better. Yeah, it's only gonna get better. It's only gonna get better. Famously, things only ever get better. You can get it on the ground floor for a small price of one billion dollars. This is like a hundred thousand dollars a compute. Yeah. Imagine how good it would be with a million. If you offer more a coin, it will only get worth more. Yeah. I mean, now Garrison, I do think you should invest all of your salary. I just did a 16th minute about this one I think I would rather hawk tour has a more obvious use case than this shit

Hey, do you want to spend way more money to get something way worse? I actually can't get over the 75% check GPT Neither can I. Should it be more? No, it should be theoretically it should be it should be a hundred percent Yeah, not seven which means that a quarter of it was just fucking unusable. No, absolutely. They're generating individual shots that they're stitching together,

and who knows how long it takes to get the prompt right for that shot to work. However long it takes, it was too long because it looks like shit. We're gonna watch a video I haven't seen yet, or at least a board, because it's five minutes. We're not watching all of this. Oh my god. It's 252 views and came out a week ago. It's called Mniminade. What? Say that again. Mniminade. Yeah that's

a word. What now? It's like when you find your cats vomited on the floor. Again, so first we see a diner called Mniminade that appears to be both on fire. Is Blade Runner? Yeah. Blade Runner? Oh god. When an old lady rices up out of a pile of ashes. That's how mouths work. Great AI voice. What is this Phantasmagoria-os voice acting? It's me, Harrison Ford.

What the fuck is going on? Bon appétit. What? I think this is death, this old lady's dead. Oh, that's Hawaii. Oh, oh. Now she's tripping on tomatoes? Oh yeah.

The decaying sandy diner that exploded has turned into a lively 50s diner. It's popping off. It's popping off. Dennis Villeneuve. Is this a segregated diner that exploded has turned into a lively 50s diner popping off There's an off Dennis bill of villainy. This is segregated diner In the diner she's going back to the good old days He is he is the help though, yeah Oh, that's natural. The little kid just fell down and the way it shows falling is that he just sort of deflates.

Is that Björk? And he's up again. Björk. And he's staring at a girl. Well, that's terrible. We don't need to watch anymore of that. What is this for? No one, no one.

No one wants to watch this. If you watch this and have a positive reaction, they should keep you in a holding cell for a week. I'm deeply unhappy at the time we already spent watching yeah like we don't know what you're gonna do next you know we're building a facility for you yeah the phrase reality distortion field gets used a lot when we talk about tech but I really tasted it in that room because all anyone on stage could talk about is how good it looks and every every one of these videos, people are like clapping, they're like, wow, this is amazing.

Why do you think they think it looks good? It looks better than an Xbox. Yeah. And the idea was you typed a thing in and now a thing came out and that's magical. So by virtue of not having humans work on it, it's so, it's better than you'd have, yeah, okay. There was a moment after this where Jason joked about how,

obviously I don't want to replace actors yet. Wink, wink. Yes, yes, uh-huh. And another panelist was like, I think we're gonna have to see how some decisions go as to fair use, because obviously this is cribbing from a bunch of fucking Scorsese movies and shit. It also kind of looked like Blade Runner 2049.

Yeah, and Thomas Kinkade. Blade Runner 2049 and Denny Villeneuve in general, all of his films have been a massive source for these motion and still generations, so much so that I think Blade Runner 2049 is one of the easiest films to replicate film stills almost exactly for, based on how load-bearing that film has been for a whole bunch of these models. That could be due to a number of factors. Now, I know what you're wondering,

how soon until we can get a full 90-minute movie that looks like this? Oh, I'm guessing days away. No, no, Jason said, probably not at least for a decade or so. Really, okay. I can't wait that long. I can't wait 10 years. That's interesting.

I don't wanna wait that long. What a worthwhile endeavor though. No, cause like, he could have said shorter. That actually is interesting. He could have said anything. Those chumps in there would have believed me. I think it is like, he did have to spend probably hundreds of hours of his precious one human life

stitching those turds together. And he's like, it's nowhere near ready. There's no way I could make a 90 minute movie and kill myself. He is giving himself a lot of time for that. Yeah. Because I've only really seen one interesting generative video thing but it wasn't a generative video thing it was they filmed uh Brian Eno filmed a documentary and they created you know some back-end software so that they would be able to some backend software so that they would be able to do cuts of existing footage and try to focus on parts of the documentary. But I never ever see anything interested in constructing narratives or teasing other aspects of the creative process. It's only, let's try to replace, right? Let's try to replace. But we'll say you can't do narrative with it.

And that's the thing, if I'd sat down there, because I was sitting, I said this, I was sitting next to a guy from USC, who was one of the only people in the room who was similarly critical to me of what we were seeing on stage. It was like, look, if they had come down and been like, look, this is how we can plug a script in

and it can create a storyboard. And you can kind of see a crude CGI animation of how the shots will look and that can help you like plan out like like that's legitimately useful that's a thing that adds value and can cut costs in a meaningful way to like the production of good TV and movies but that's not as sexy as like I'm and they were all talking there was this this like very weird moment where one of the panels Leslie Shannon who's head of innovation for Nokia a company that used to make phones and now makes panelists who pretend to be entertained by awkward

they also like make cameras and they make a lot of stuff I was just shitting on Nokia she's like can we use neuroscience to see how people are reacting to AI generated videos and then adjust the ending to be like, you know, let's make this resonate. That way we're helping the creative. And I was like, are you out of your fucking mind? Can we attach electrodes to panelists? I would have supported electrodes in their skulls. Yes. Jesus Christ. I think we should do the monkey mirror link thing to all of them.

A pair of calipers. Yes, some calipers. We got some skulls. I am fascinated the skull shapes that fucking crowd. do the monkey mirror link thing to all of them. A pair of calipers. Yes, calipers. We got some skulls. I am fascinated the skull shapes of that fucking crowd. To say that is, there's so many things they've said that just, they wouldn't survive a deposition. Speaking of things that wouldn't survive a deposition,

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The third panel I went through though was called AI Cinematic Spatial and XR. And I just wanna actually play you guys, you'll have to cluster around. I would actually believe that was generated with chat GPT. Yeah. But like GPT 2.0. So let's start with this one. AI will be more impactful than the internet? Um, maybe?

I'm leaving yes. It's a trick question. Because it is the internet. That was my answer too. Is the internet so no. Although it can run without the internet. That was my answer to it. Is the internet so no. Although it can run without the internet. So I'm like oh. There you go. Alright. What impact do you mean by that?

AI is going to result in astronomical job losses. True or false? There will be an evolution of job loss. True. True. True. True. True. True. True. True. True.

True. True. True. True. True. True. True. True.

True. True. True. True. True. True. True. True. True. True. True. Yeah. These people sound too confident and too chummy and too happy to say things like this. That's not good.

I don't like these people laughing about people losing jobs. No, no. They shouldn't have jobs. That's a good place to start. Yeah, I don't like that either. And the people you're hearing from, let me tell you who's in this fucking panel

who was just laughing about like- Sociopaths. Well, there will be a- An evolution. An evolution in job loss. Evolution of job loss. Yeah. So the motherfuckers who were on that panel

laughing about people losing their jobs. Ted Shillowitz, literally his name is Shillowitz, futurist at Cinemersion Inc. That's like a J.K. Rowling name. Really? Yes. Yes. Yes.

Rebecca Barkin, co-founder and CEO Lamina One, Erin Luber, Director, Partnerships at Google, Adam Simon, I was about to say Gooner. Managing Director, IPG Media Lab, Leila Amir-Sadeghi, Principal Program Manager at Engineering, Microsoft,

and Katie Henson, SVP post-production at Sphere Studios. So those are the people who were all laughing. And like, generative AI is good at one thing creatively. It's good at streamlining VFX. Workflow to it. The workflow of how to do VFX shots. It is, it is. There's aspects of it that's good.

Famously, the only useful thing that's been used for is making people's eyes blue in Dune Part II. It's not hundred billion dollars good. And like, it is applicable for like changing objects into other objects on screen. It can produce really like kind of odd, like uncanny effects that could be utilized by a team of human artists really well.

What it can't do is generate a short film that is in any way compelling as like- I disagree based on what we're seeing. Well, that is anyway compelling as a piece of art. And the fact that they're like laughing at how much- These people haven't lost enough jobs. They have not.

Or had structures fall to the beauty of the flame. Right. Although the AI keeps foreboding that they're coming for them. It wants something. The pernicious flames. I'm gonna end on a happy note, because the last panel I went to

was actually really cool. It was AI and the Crisis of Creative Rights, Deep Fakes, Ethics, and the Law. And it featured the first intelligent person that I've seen at CES this year, Moya McTeer, who is a folklorist and senior advisor at the Human Artistry Campaign. It also featured Duncan Crabtree Ireland,

who's the National Executive Director and Chief Negotiator of SAG-AFTRA. There we go, there we go. And this was no bullshit. It was talking about all of the different lawsuits that are going on right now, all of the litigation around AI, and the actual strategy for litigating.

And there was a couple of points where Duncan was like, a lot is going to hinge on some very brave, very famous people choosing to throw down some big dollar lawsuits. That's what we need right now. They did talk about the No Fakes Act, which has bipartisan support and gives some legal force to allow people to push for AI copies of themselves

to be taken down and They think there's also some bipartisan possibility to get AI labeling like legislation the thing is any of these things should be fucking fatal because if What you have to remove something from a model? Yeah, how the fuck do we do that? Yeah, we don't know how to throw away the entire model you have to retrain like it's there's no way around it Yeah And there was a really good point

Where kind of at the end of this part of what I appreciate is again? You have to retrain. Like there's no way around it. Yeah, and there was a really good point where kind of at the end of this, part of what I appreciate is again, there was no bullshit. Like Moja at one point was like, I think it is absolute, it being generative AI is absolutely a net negative for the artistic community. The point is not to get something out as quick as possible, it's to like make art.

And this has to be like one of maybe five people who are doing panels at CES who's like willing to say that. Yes, and Duncan got on and was like, look, you can't stop the technology from being invented. So the best path forward is to like try and channel this into a direction that like is at least better for artists. Like there was very little, for most of the people on the panel, very little bullshit.

There was some bullshit from one person on the panel. Okey dokey. Jenny Katzman, senior director of government affairs from Microsoft. Oh, I bet. Oh, I bet. That was fun. So after, there's this whole point where everyone else

on the panel is like, yeah, I think it's probably a negative for artists on the whole. And Ginny comes on, she's like, actually, I think it's a net positive. And her example of this is, well, you know, there's a lot of stuff that you couldn't do before that thanks to AI you could do, like de-aging Harrison Ford for the Indiana Jones Something famously that went over very well

Everyone loved it was a great creative choice No, this is the fucking problem with all of this on top of house shit It is and how expensive it is which kind of AI are we talking about their dipshit? That's not generative AI That's not what that fucking was And they love to use this. And it also steals us from being able to cast a young River Phoenix Exactly. To play a lovely young- Which is the only thing in the way. Why is it more Phoenix getting cast in more stuff, Gary? I'm asking that every day. It'd be very unfair.

Well, luckily with the power of AI We can put River Phoenix- I've read every newspaper sequentially starting in 1834 so I have not gotten to the end of River Phoenix's surely long career yet. It would be really cool. I'm this sleeping guy. I think he's got some bold ideas. I think this is going to work out really well for Germany. It would be really cool that instead of just doing Young Harrison Ford they just do a River Phoenix deep fake for young Indiana Jones. Look, it's canonical.

Yeah. Great idea. I love the movies and the future of them, too. This is so good. This is so bad. James Mangold, you're a hack in the pod. So I got to say, it was very funny, because she also suggests, Jenny,

we can use animals without causing harm, thanks to AI. A thing that no one had figured out how to do before. Nobody had ever figured out she also suggests, Jenny, we can use animals without causing harm thanks to AI, a thing that no one had figured out how to do before. Nobody had ever figured out how to just like, not hurt animals in movies. That didn't exist before AI, thank God. Thankfully AI will never do any harm to animals or the environment. Nobody asked the lobbyists from Microsoft,

what else the company is doing with AI. Right. With police departments, or with fossil fuel companies. Yeah, is that bad for animals? No, actually it's really good. They love answering, they need it, they yearn for the mines. They love data centers.

Great for their habitats. She said there's issues with employment, but there's lots of issues that fall around that. And I do think you need a balance. And at the end of it, the guy running the panel just says, okay. Yeah. That sounds like you guys are saying a bunch of woke shit

on this panel right now. All right, Microsoft. Just once I'd like on the panel someone to go and say, what the fuck do you mean? What do you mean there's just some stuff? This is the closest to that that you were gonna get. I think we do need a balance of some people being fired, like these people, and other people keeping their jobs,

like everyone else. Like Moya, give her more jobs. Somebody has to lose and somebody has to win. Exactly, that's their entire argument. Somebody has the gun, somebody doesn't. Somebody knows the way the maze works and somebody doesn't. What, we shouldn't have guns? We shouldn't have a maze where I drop them in and one of them knows the way the maze works and somebody doesn't. What are you gonna, we shouldn't have guns?

We shouldn't have a maze where I drop them in and one of them knows the maze and they have a gun? Like we shouldn't have a gun maze? What are you talking about? We need the gun maze. Now look, we all like keeping a couple of people in a maze beneath our house. Right.

Yeah, like there's nothing wrong with that. This is just the torment nexus. We just, we keep doing it. But it's not even the torment nexus is fun. It's the annoying- It's a nice maze under my house. They have plenty of space to run, some of them even like it. Sometimes sunlight creeps in through one of the corners.

The Minotaur gets them only sometimes. Yeah. I'm the Minotaur. Anyway, the gun maze isn't real. But also, most of their arguments can't mostly just come down to, well you can't make an omelet without breaking it like you have to fucking make people You have to break the human drive to create art obviously to make an omelet that does not taste good Yeah

An omelet-esque food. It's a piss omelet like there's piss in the omelet And we had to we had to burn down the Sistine Chapel to make the piss omelet Made it though. Yeah. Go on, clap for the computer. We did firebomb the Louvre, but look. Look at this video of a nameless rock star. Oh, god. All right, well, that's the episode.

That's all I got, folks. That was my first day at CES 2025. Huzzah. Yeah, this is just my first day. Better offline's here all week. I'm going to hear about stuff like this all week. And I think I'm going to be fully jokified. I'm going to wake up in the clown makeup on Friday.

I'm going to find the funnest thing to bring back for you. I'm going to find an artist to put me in full joke. No, I'm not. I'm going to try to steal that AI enhanced grill. Yeah. Can I have this? The grill that texts you. Can I just like move this around? I just want to test how it rolls.

See, AI grills. Open the door. As someone who's done a lot of grilling, done a lot of spoken barbecue, I don't know what an AI would do. Is it going to talk to me in the six hours? Wait, are you trying to tell us here, Edzitron, that you have grilled meat

without a robot texting you about it? Because I just don't believe that. I don't know how I did it, but I did it. You're never gonna go back. Mankind has always dreamed of knowing how to cook meats. No one would ever believe that. But until the robots, it was impossible. Oh God, we're at the death of innovation.

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