It Could Happen Here - Nick Fuentes Explains Pornography to Tucker Carlson

Episode Date: November 18, 2025

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Enter now at iHeartPodcastawards.com. CallZone Media. This is It Could Happen here. I'm Garrison Davis, joined by Robert Evans. Last week, I released an episode on the Ascent of White Nationalist Live Streamer Nick Fuentes and his Groyper. fans among particularly young Gen Z Republicans.

The episode also tracked the conservative infighting at Heritage Foundation and Ben Shapiro's Daily Wire in the aftermath of Tucker Carlson's friendly sit-down interview with Nick Fuentes. In the episode, I mentioned that I had an extra segment covering the final section of the interview. Now, most coverage of this interview, including my episode last week, focused on like the first two-thirds, which ranged from like Nick Fuentes' political background, early beef with Ben Shapiro, and his like Nazi-esque anti-Semitic theories of a quote-unquote organized world jury corrupting America, which he now lightly couches in anti-Israel framing to profit off of the genocide in Palestine. But the last third of the interview changes course

to discuss the mechanisms of quote-unquote reality distortion, which are, ruining young man, drugs, alcohol, the internet, and most importantly, pornography. After receiving a universal response demanding the release of the porn cut, I have sat down with Robert here to finally, finally air what no other news platform is brave enough, brave enough to cover. Yeah, what new other news platform can legally cover because they have a duty to their employees to not make them research this stuff. Yeah, or like an actual healthy HR department. Yeah, we have not

finished our classes on what we're not allowed to make people do, so that said, to be fair, Garrison couldn't be stopped from researching this. There was no way of stopping you from doing this. I have a sick drive.

You would have quit and started working for someone else if we hadn't let you do this. No, if Sophie told me I wasn't allowed to cover this, I would have quit immediately. Yeah, you'd be putting this out for... Wired or somewhat. So now I am very pleased to present to you probably 30, 30 minutes of Nick Fuentes explaining to a performatively confused Tucker Carlson, the concept of pornography. And I guess if we're going to view, you know, Fuentes and the Groyper's as like a serious legitimate

threat that's able to sway the national political discourse, I think it's also important to cover his weird sexual politics, just as explaining the weird sexual practices of like, you know, the proud boys is important for understanding their whole deal as like a neo-fascist street gang. The kind of closeted gay in-cell women issues of the Groypers is actually really important, especially for Nick. And let's discuss that. But thankfully, we get to start off with the majority of the section, which is on pornography. Let's start one of the first clips. What is porn exactly?

Like, describe how available is porn. What is it? Oh, my God. Oh, man. Because he does ask that, like, a man who's legitimately never heard of pornography. He does. He later says, like, obviously,

he is familiar with the rough concept of porn. Uh-huh. But maybe not this sort of, but maybe not this sort of internet porn obsession to which Nick refers. Let's skip ahead about a minute where Nick kind of closes on his explanation of internet porn specifically. So something that has almost never talked about is that this is a generation that's totally sexually dysfunctional, I think, because of pornography. And some people are able to cope with it. Some people don't have a problem. but I think a lot of people, and maybe even small minority,

have a serious problem with that. How does it make people sexually dysfunctional? I think that it's impossible for a real woman to compete with the availability and the novelty of pornography. So that is Nick's kind of ending argument at the tail end of his definition of porn and how porn is affecting specifically American men little bit of his in-cell status is obviously seeping through there more of it will become

increasingly evident throughout this interview but this idea of sexual dysfunction how porn is ruining men's ability to get into relationships is ruining the ability to get into marriages lasting marriages and it he frames this kind of slightly as the fault of men but also really as the fault of women women aren't able to compete with how much porn there is the the the different categories of porn. How can one woman please a man when a man can go on to the internet and look up, you know,

50 different niche fetishes that not one woman could provide. Yeah. And that's part of his argument at this point. Yeah. And that's always like been the, okay, so you've just, you've never had a relationship. Which Nick is open about.

Yeah. At least Nick claims that, right? Yeah. It's unclear how true a lot of Nick's claims are about his, like, in-sell, volselle, you know, voluntary celibate type deal. But no, Nick, Nick does claim that. And the sort of pushback Nick will receive later on in the interview on some of these aspects is actually way stronger than any of the world jury anti-Semitic stuff from earlier in the interview. Yeah. Which Carlson was make actually

kind of like trying to shape Nick Fuentes' rhetoric to make him like appeal to a bigger audience, but did not really push back on to the same extent he does on Nick's like relationship with women. But the sexual dysfunction aspect, I think, is the is the ending argument for Nick here in terms of what actually makes porn bad. He extrapolates on this point in this, in this next section, which I'll play now.

Porn is you could have a hundred different women in one sitting, doing anything. That whatever niche or idiosyncratic thing a person might be into, it's there. And so I think that novelty combined with that availability, it makes it so that, you know, when you think about courting a woman, juice isn't worth to squeeze. And so there's like also a problem of like erectile dysfunction, people that can't enjoy regular sex because it does not compare to the intensity, the novelty, and the availability of porn. It's hyper-stimulation.

And so I think that's sabotaging a lot of normal sexual relationships. It seems like it's making a lot of people gay, too. Yeah, and trans. You think that's true? 100%. What is that? Oh, my God. What is that?

I don't even know where to start there. I mean, like, it's what these people have always believed, right? That, like, that's the, that there's got to be an explanation. Some kind of causal relationship. for why people like things that they're not allowed to admit to liking in public and it's got to be the fault of pornography

right? Or libraries, whatever. Every time Tucker interjects the beauty of his little like befuddled interjections, what is that? Is that real? Is that true? It's fantastic.

But yeah, no, I mean, Nick kind of blames the rise in homosexuality and trans sexuality on this novelty of pornography and this sexual desensitization, like once regular porn, it doesn't do it for people, they get pushed to more and more extreme categories, of which trans porn is somehow

particularly effective at, like, influencing and, uh, you know, manipulating human behavior, right? This is like the sissy hypno theory that porn can like make somebody trans. Yeah. Very goofy stuff. Uh, specifically for Nick, considering his curious catboy background and his alleged leak viewership of

trans porn, which we might discuss later. I'm going to play another clip kind of on this note, a shorter one. I think that if you are somebody that uses pornography multiple times per day, which many people do. Actually? Oh, absolutely. That's a lot of jerking off.

That's a huge problem. Yeah. That's a lot of jerking off. former Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson Clutching off yeah that's a lot of jerking off I so badly I just wanted to cut some of these clips out of like out of context

and just put them in my other episode Tucker only comes once a year and he can only come by wrapping his dick inside of two frozen Swanson's meals he's got to kind of use like you know how it's got like there's little divvets on the back end he's got to use that to cushion his penis it's the only way he can come

It's very, like, edible thing with his, you know, family business, this sort of, like, psychosexual drive? Wow. The swans in of it all? Sure, of course. That makes sense for... Yeah. That makes sense for Tucker. Mm-hmm. But, no, in Indic says that porn, like, operates kind of, like, drug tolerance levels,

which, like, over time, after repetitive use, in order to get high, the user must seek out stronger drugs or dangerously intense doses, of which he views. transport is this like dangerous dose. Yeah, yeah, because I do love like the through line with these people that like both this is like a sickening degeneracy and also is so appealing that people absolutely cannot help themselves to it. Like it affects them like heroin. It's it's so inherently attractive.

I mean, some of that might be their actual proclivity is kind of, kind of peeking out from under the surface there. Yeah. All of these guys love watching transport. like anti-trans people, whether that's Alex Jones or like Nick Fuentes. Like, obviously they have an interest in that. And that's what kind of drives them with their obsession. Yeah, which is, it's just weird. Like, I don't know anyone who talks about any pornography that way. Like, you know, everyone's got whatever it is they're into, like something that they'll be

particularly interested in. But no one describes as like, it's just this kind of thing. No one can resist it, obviously. This sort of like powerful, obsessive nature. in which these types of right-wing freaks like refer to it as, yeah. Like actual perverts will say stuff like, no, no, no, I've been shoving things inside my pee-hole for the last 27 years, and now I can get up to something

the width of a maglight, and I know that's crazy. Like, I know no one else does that. That's just a me thing. Oh, poor Nick. Someone needs to explain sounding to Tucker Carlson is what I'm saying. Like, if he interviews me,

I'm going to walk him through sounding. I'm going to put together a PowerPoint with photos. He's obviously, he's obviously, uh, open, open to this line of discussion. Mm-hmm. Are we allowed to have ads on this episode? Yeah, probably not, but let's throw to him anyway. A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers, but it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there, hidden in plain,

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people don't realize being involved in intercourse versus watching other people have intercourse and i think that actually does something to you tell me what do you mean sorry i'm just off there for a second people don't realize this uh amazing observation from alleged virgin in cell nick fuentes he's trying to make this point about like body depersonalization or like disassociation when watching porn, it's like this out-of-body experience because you start associating yourself with people on screen. That's eventually what he starts talking about. Right.

But he couches this in saying that people don't realize that this is different from actual sex, which is really funny because Nick proudly proclaims that he's never had sex before. So he is in no possession to argue this point. No. Yeah, that's the other thing. How would you know that it's inherently better than sex? Because he's never had. I think he has to assume that because that's the only information he has.

But I love his framing of this as like new novel information that no one else has access to. That no one realizes that watching porn is different from having sex. Yeah. Tucker's response is just phenomenal at the end of this. Because Tucker's like trying to coax more and more shit out of him. It's really the only time where he's kind of being a sly interviewer is at this ending porn section. It's not the it's not the are you a fed section. It's not the daily wire stuff.

It's not the anti-Semitism stuff. It's specifically the port section. But to explain this like out-of-body theory that Nick has here, unfortunately, Nick gets into trying to explain the Blanchardian theory of transsexuality towards, towards Tucker Carlson, of which I will only play a certain segment of. Because we don't need to hear that whole thing. is a section of this next clip, which will get into that, as well as take you on kind of a beautiful journey showcasing Tucker's objection to pornography. I think that, you know, for example,

I think Steve Saylor has written about this, that there's multiple kinds of transsexuals. And he says, a one kind of transsexual is somebody that likes the idea of seeing themselves as a woman, it's auto gynephelia. Yes. And I think that, you know, one of the theories for that is you watch a man having sex with a woman that isn't you so much, you kind of achieve an identity with the woman in like a weird sick way. You almost identify with the woman. And so there's weird things that happen when you're watching that and having such strong emotional and sexual experiences with it. Interesting, Nick. That's fascinating. Interesting stuff, Nick. I've always been, I've sensed for a long time having had a lot of young male employees

mention porn as a problem. I mean, the big porn companies give visibility to foreign intel services on the back end. So that means people know what you're looking at. There's likely video and audio of you watching.

Okay. All right. There's so much. I love that Tucker's made objection to pornography. Isn't the stuff that Nick's talking about at all? But the idea that it poses a security risk because of foreign intel services? Yeah, that they're recording everyone masturbating

to blackmail every single person on the planet and he couches this and saying that he's quote not a huge expert on the topic. Yeah. Which is really good but to go back a little bit the level of projection

Nick is doing here with this identifying as a woman in the porn thing is simply phenomenal I mean especially considering the whole cat boy scandal which I covered on the show like years ago as when I was like a baby, as well as Nick's like alleged trans porn leak, which I guess I'll explain here briefly. This was in 2022. Nick allegedly was operating a sock

puppet Twitter account when he was banned on Twitter. This account shared a clip scrolling through Nick Fuentes like analytics, like video analytics, like search analytics showing his popularity. and when scrolling through these various tabs, a little section of a tab that did not get into full view, but you saw the bottom of it, which looked a lot like a very specific trans femmeboy porn video on Porn Hub.

People found the video. And after they found the video, you know, this post with these analytics was like taken down, and this account was believed to be operated by Nick Fuentes. Now, Nick claims that he obviously was not behind this account, that this was some like Groyper fan

who was trying to set him up for scandal by operating an account that appeared to be Nix account on Twitter but actually wasn't. I, Robert, I will show you a little bit of this analytics video. We don't need to see the whole thing but it's like this.

Okay. So, various, various tabs, look at all these tabs. This various... McQuintess, Jake Lloyd, Explore? What? comparing his popularity towards other other like commentators oh i thought he was comparing his popularity to fucking jake lloyd from the phantom menace from the phantom menace you should be

beating him nick but like web traffic analytics uh jo kent google trends and then let's see if i can find it right oh oh right here at the top yeah right here at the top while scrolling through the tabs on the iphone safari oh some point there is a little a little a A little porn tab, right? So this turned into a little mini thing with people thinking that they secretly stumbled across Nick's porn watching habits, of which it would be no surprise that he'd be watching trans femme boy porn, especially, again, considering that he operated a catboy Discord channel on his server. But he has staunchly denied this, as you know, as a based Catholic in cell, obviously.

So both Tucker and Nick believe that porn is a big. big factor affecting the decline of actual sex and marriage among Gen C. And it's not just a male problem. Nick argues that it has become, quote unquote, so destigmatized for women to participate in porn as well, of which she's mostly referring to only fans. Here's a clip of them discussing only fans. And it is completely casual, you know, because you could say that maybe 10 years ago, even at the heyday of Internet porn, to be in porn, you've got to be a porn star. Like, that's your life and that's your career and that's who you are and it's very shameful. With OnlyFans, it's like having a TikTok.

It's like, here's my link tree, here's my Instagram account, here's my Facebook account, here's my YouTube, and here's my OnlyFans. Why would any of this be legal? I think that, well, there's like you indicated, maybe there's an intelligence. Benefit to that. Maybe there's a political benefit to that. I think that... Why wouldn't you arrest the people who run something like that?

They should be if you had a Christian government. Or how about just a government who cares about its people? I mean, is Iran a bigger threat or is only fans? Iran's not turning my daughter to prostitution that I'm aware of. Right. Oh, my God. Is Iran a bigger threat or is only fans? Yes, yes.

That's the real geopolitical question. the wisest minds no what a what a beautiful mind that is yeah yeah like even be able to think of this sentence is Iran a bigger threat than only fans yeah it like I could never

even get myself to a point where I conjured that thought in my own head we have to ban pornography because it's the Iran of masturbation it's frankly beautiful in order to get their minds

so so degraded to even have this thought it's so alien man later Tucker pushes kind of on this point about the need

to arrest people who run only fans while Nick kind of quietly remarks that it's really the women or the quote

unquote body assets who should be arrested but Tucker Tucker is pretty firm on no it's really like the facilitators people hosting

the website who are enabling this but you know Nick would be totally fine if women on the platform also get arrested

man ah again the insistence that the primary objection or like a causal a causal aspect of why why is this allowed it's for like intelligence gathering services is simply beautiful do you know what else is beautiful robert the sponsors of this podcast they they are for putting up with this yeah was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers, but it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there, hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zeman, and this is Monster, hunting the Long Island serial killer, the investigation into the most notorious killer in New York, since the son of Sam, available now. Listen for free on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your

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And what did they learn from him? I got judged horribly. The judges were like, you're trash. I don't know how you got on the show Boo, somebody had tomatoes I'm kidding But if they had tomatoes They would have thrown the tomatoes

Let's be honest We've all had those moments We'd rather forget We bumped our head We made a mistake The deal fell through We're embarrassed We failed

But this podcast is about that And how we made it through So when they sat me down They were kind of like We got into the small talk And they were just like So what do you got? What ideas?

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Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, we're back. For this final segment, we will transcend the discussion of porn and just talk more about some of Nick's opinions on women. Oh, good. And other factors beyond porn for why, you know, male. marriage isn't happening. Why aren't people getting married

as much any war? You know, of which both Tucker and Nick think porn is a factor, but there's other factors contributing to this crisis, which Nick and Tucker

will elucidate. Let's hear him out. So what are the other factors that prevent, I'm sorry I called you gay, by the way, but I'm always, I think I'm just too old

or something. I'm like, why is anyone married? You tell me, why aren't people married? well i mean honestly it's the women all right oh okay we solved that problem uh yeah that's it i think that does it for us that it could happen here they got to the bottom of that pretty quickly sorry i called you gay by the way so no now it's time for the wise in celestagenic fuentes

to bestow his wisdom pertaining to relationships and marriage and in his eyes the main problem seems to be that not just women, but specifically, that women are too liberal. Yeah. Really breaking new ground there. Yeah, sure. That's, uh, that's it. That's the problem, because then they don't like all of the Nick Fuentes fans. The men are extremely conservative, increasingly.

The women are extremely liberal. What are they liberal on what issues? Like, what does that mean liberal? Oh, on, on, they're very feminist. Like, actually? Extremely feminist, yes. I don't believe that, do. Do they? I think they do. Really? Absolutely. How could you believe that?

Gender roles are a construct that none of this is inborn? Like, you'd have to be an idiot to think that. They like the idea of it. Tucker's delivery. I want to study it more. I feel like they sketched some of this out before they did this, because I feel like they're both leading each other to get out statements that they want to say. No, yeah, like it's so crafted here. Like, their back and forth exchange is, oh, is something. crafted every every inflection they have they're like giving each other these key points to then extrapolate on yeah there's the stuff that's willful like the the claims that well young men are are conservative which is based on like a shift towards trump that's partly reversed over the last year or so uh but that was not the vast majority of gen z people right like it's it's yeah

young people are willing to like try out different things and swing back and forth but like it's not it's not the way he's framing it, right? Because that's the most convenient narrative for the right, that like all of the young men are pulling towards the right. And so the problem is that women are more progressive, right? Yeah, therefore it has to be liberal women, yeah. Right. No, it's a very, it's a very convenient excuse to explain actually a complex set of economic problems, which are preventing people from feeling comfortable enough to actually start a family and, you know, safe enough, economically speaking. Nick goes on to complain about, you know, women lying about wanting equality, wanting to work, when really all they want

is a, quote, unquote, tough chad. Quote, the whole political system is based around women, never being accountable for any of their choices, unquote. This is namely abortion and no false divorce, which Nick spends a while talking about how that has been a significant contributing factor towards ruining this country, how women can enter marriages and leave for whatever reason they want, taking half the money, taking half the stuff, et cetera, et cetera. There's another factor that Nick claims is contributing to this problem. They have a very high estimation of themselves. I think people call it hoflation. Ophlation? Yes, their sense of their own looks and sexual value is very inflated.

I just had to put the hoflation clip in there. The hoflation. Yes. Tucker Carlson saying hoflation is truly a moment. for us all. Yeah. Again, I really want to just splice some of these sound bits into my other episode at random points. Now, again, Tucker actually pushes back in some of like the in-between sections here. And I'll play some of that pushback later. But, you know, way more than the rest of the interview. So specifically here, Tucker is actually pushing back on Nick's kind of resigned blame directed towards women and the quote-unquote legal incentive structures that he says are contributing to this.

And Tucker responds by saying, even if some of these complaints are true, as believers in the natural patriarchy, isn't it men's role to take responsibility, lead by example, and to fix this behavior in women through marriage? But I would say that, because I hear this all the time,

people say, well, the men need to step up and be better and lead the women. Easier said than done. I agree with that. They're at war with the system. And not even just the system, but also society. So this is the full, like,

Joker-pilled-in-sale stuff, is that in order to have an actual relationship with women, men have to enter into combat against, quote-unquote, society. Right. Like this larger, this larger thing that's influencing women and is making them, you know, depraved and liberal. And Nick argues that even if you find, like, a nice trad, a Christian girl, they're going to be on TikTok,

they're going to be on Instagram, and they're going to be, quote-unquote, talking to other women and through osmosis they're going to get influenced by this liberal culture and say 10, 15, 20 years down the line, people will change and they may not be so Christian

and trad 20 years into your marriage because of society. Huh. Yeah. I mean, I guess that's the argument I expected from him. He'll extrapolate some of his reasoning here. And I think that women as kind of the ultimate conformists,

the ultimate enforcers of like social norms, I think eventually the pressure from society kind of gets to them and a lot of them will go in a different direction. Depends what kind of husbands they have. I mean, if there's real leadership at home, I don't know a single happily married woman who's liberal, not one. I know a lot of married women. Here's some of the pushback that Tucker is doing now. But yeah, man, this idea of, you know, women as the ultimate conformists, is the enforcers of social norms, right? This is like kind of like Longhouse type stuff. And Tucker's Rebuca, that is that in an actual, you know, marriage with a conservative man, a strong conservative man,

all that behavior will get changed because people will fall into, like, their natural, biological, patriarchal roles. But Nick still doesn't buy it. Like, he is, he is, he is an insult at heart. He is no way that, that Tucker's kind of push back is going to, it's going to turn him on this. Like, Nick just hates women entirely. That's his whole motivation.

Is that due to some sort of, like, fascist homo? erotic like aspect maybe but it's it's probably even more complicated than that i mean part of the fascist femme boy thing is people who actually aren't even gay but just hate women so much that they end up being gay because that's like the only mode of connection they can even or like physical connection they can even like muster themselves to to like do which i explained in that episode from you know a few years ago when i was a baby but yeah this is definitely some stuff at play here and i mean nick will always just find new things to complain about in regard to this sort of stuff like the quote unquote epidemic of simps so like maybe the job is to

you know make a girl happy and like all this nonsense ends yeah i don't know i think that that could be a bottomless pit too because one critique i have of the men is and you're right about this they enable this behavior well that's for sure it's epidemic of simps who and especially with christians i've noticed this epidemic of sims yeah the i that's that's That's something else. Marriage has this bottomless pit. Well, I also love the idea that Tucker's like, well, why aren't men just making women happy? And, you know, the answer there for Tucker is that people like you are not capable of making other people happy.

But Nick can't even consider that because the idea of women being happy is deeply offensive to him. Yeah. No, I mean, Nick says that sim culture, or more specifically, a backlash to simp culture, is why people like Andrew Tate have gotten so popular, despite being a quote-unquote, Muslim polychamist because Tate is putting women in their place unquote as opposed to Christian men

who are tone policing each other and are worshipping women and worshipping their wives which Tucker pushes back on a bit by saying that the New Testament commands men to love their wives and that wives respect their husbands

we got only two more clips left but I think they are very revealing as much else needs to be revealed here I do think I just noticed this that men who stay unmarried for too long become like kind of fragile there's something about the give and take there's something about living with

in fact I think it's the key to life someone you don't fully understand that broadens you that keeps you always thinking that makes you wiser more patient more thoughtful more self-aware and more flexible

and those are all good qualities. And the absence of that, like in homosexuality or like men who are single too long, they get very rigid. Have you ever noticed this? Have you ever noticed this? I like things the way I like them and they just get like, no.

Oh, yeah, yeah. I certainly get what you mean by that. Yeah, you don't want that. Really? Because that's who you are, Nick. I would say that when you say you don't fully understand women, to me, I feel like women are very simple.

Have you ever lived with one? No, I haven't lived with them. But, I mean... All right, let's cut it down. Oh, man. Women are really simple. Have you ever lived with one? No.

It's really funny. Up until the assuming all gay people are the same bit, Tucker's making a good point, which is that, like, part of what's healthy about relationships is, like, living with someone who's not like you, right? Yes. Like, that makes us better people. No.

And he's very clearly trying to, like, push Nick's buttons here. Yeah, because he knows. he knows because nick's getting called out because yeah he's this angry unmarried guy he's this like yeah little little unhinged freak yeah oh and yeah he's like getting he's absolutely getting called out here um and it's funny that this is the thing out of the end of the entire interview that that that that tucker really tries to harp on it's it's this married thing like he really wants nick to get married that's the kind of the main thing he's really pushing for by the end of this interview yeah bro that's gonna happen

ever lived with one? Well, no. No, of course not. It's wild. I mean, later Nick tries to argue that you know, it's really the men who are complicated because men have a, quote, deep connection to math and space, unquote. Sure. Yeah, man. I love my deep connection to math and space. Yeah, Robert's so good at math and space. Yeah, it's really my strong suits. Math and space. Anyone that knows you. I would say every man I know is good at math and space. Versus, you know, women just operate on primal base instinct. Of course, yes. Nick says, quote, men are masters of the universe.

Women are the universe, which I think is a quote from someone else. Yeah, yeah, yeah. God, yeah, you're a real master of the universe, Nick. This will be the final clip where Tucker will offer a little bit more pushback towards Nick on some of his views about women in marriage. You've got a pretty clear look into Nick's interiority here as well. But anyway, but whatever,

the point of men and women talk past each other constantly. They don't always know what the other one is saying. And that frustration actually gives way to great beauty over time, I would say. I don't know. I personally find women very frustrated when they are not expressing.

And I just view that as like... I see, the way I look at is like, when you look at your favorite TV shows, The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, it's like the wife is the villain. Because it's like the main character, if the wife could just get out of the way, would be running the show.

And that's kind of how I feel like, Ein Rand, I agree with her about this. She said that the wife's role is like hero worship. The guy is the hero. The guy is supposed to be the entrepreneur, the conqueror or whatever and the woman is really supposed to support the man's goals and be in his world and i've felt that way successful men need is more power worship more hero worship more you're so great when you get that at work you don't want that at home you become an unbearable

asshole and then you fall prayed to what destroys every successful man which is hubris like you must take yourself for god you need someone who's not interested in what you do at all only interested in you and that's how you become balanced and wise that's how you know your own limits that's shockingly good advice from tucker carlson like this this is so beautiful this is so beautiful as me when tucker carlson is the voice of recent it's it's really it's bleak really scary yeah but no so clearly is next like closet and gay in cell showing here well like while Tucker pains pains to explain to Nick why people actually get into relationships

and Nick just can't do it he starts talking about the Sopranos and fucking breaking bad that's like the only framework in which you can understand this because he's never had a real relationship the wife is the villain

I agree with Ein Rand yeah famously well adjusted in the relationship department Ein Rand the wife's role is hero worship and Tucker's like, oh my God, no, that's horrible. No, no, that's what ruins people.

That destroys people. It's fascinating. No, yeah, this is a truly fascinating exchange. And it's really telling that this is the thing that Tucker pushes back on, not the anti-Semitism. But he, like, kind of tepidly offered Nick advice on how to change his rhetoric to be more appealing, but did not push back on the substance of it because Tucker is actually just as anti-Semitic as Nick is.

Yeah. But no, this is the thing that he decided to do. And yeah, like, my initial feeling after watching this whole two-hour and 18-minute stream is like this whole stream or this whole episode felt like Tucker was kind of trying to be some sort of mentor figured in Nick or saw that Nick might be the future in some way, like, whether that's the future of the party or future of like, you know, this sort of like commentating class or style and kind of wanted to offer a little bit of a guiding light towards someone who I think Tucker does see as, you know, having some obvious issues and saying some. nasty things, and wanting to kind of write that course in a way or provide Nick a bit of a fresh start to restate some of his views on the biggest right-wing platform online, which is, which is Tucker's show right now. I guess that's kind of, that's kind of all I have on this women in porn section. I guess the last thing before we close, there is this question, right, with people in the GOP who are scared about Nick's influence, at least in the commentating

classroom among like interns. Yeah. But specifically scared of it. one because of the, you know, anti-Israel stuff, but also if that's going to hurt them electorally, right? A lot of people couch this and saying, well, you know, these views aren't popular with the electorate. Republicans are never going to win elections if this griper thing takes over. And that leaves us, you know, people who are against, against, you know, the rise of fascism and authoritarianism in kind of a weird spot. Because I don't think we can really do anything to encourage, like, the groipification of the GOP, like an accelerationist fashion. But we can kind of let it happen. Yeah. We can choose to just let it happen. Or we can choose

to kind of stop it in like the 2017 Antifa, you know, framework of like trying to prevent this stuff from spreading because it will always lead to bad things. And yeah, after doing all this research last week and really continuing to this week, too, I mean, Trump just gave a statement in support of Tucker and saying that he should get the word out about Nick Fuentes. I I've continued to be looking at this stuff. And can we even stop it, though, at this point, right? Like, how much of the Antifa project, like, even succeeded, considering where we are now politically, right? But no, there certainly is this, like, internal debate in terms of letting this stuff happen

versus trying to actively oppose this, like, Groyper takeover of the GOP. Yeah. I mean, I don't think there's realistically anything that we can do to influence how popular Nick Fuentes is on the right. if you just start screaming about how bad and dangerous he is, that's going to convince a lot of people, oh, well, the left hates him. That must mean, you know, he's our guy. Yeah. Likewise, I don't know. I don't think it's our place. I think it's our place to make sure people know what Nick actually stands for, that if there's some sort of like whitewashing of his character that they attempt to do in order to make this more electorally viable, that people

are aware of like how an hinged this guy is. I don't think the kind of shit Nick is saying here will do well when exposed to the body politic as a whole because it's nuts. But that said, like, I don't think you can, you're going to scold your way out of this. No, no. And I guess part of the education is making sure people have a more full understanding of Nick Fuentes' views on women and his little conversation on pornography. I think that actually is important. Because all of these guys are weird little insult freaks. Yes, and people don't like how weird they are when they're confronted with it. No.

Right? Mostly what they're concerned about is whether or not there are jobs and shit is more or less expensive. They don't want some weirdo telling them that living with women will make them weaker. No, even Tucker doesn't like that. Yeah. Well, I think that doesn't for us today at It Could Happen here. Great. I hope this episode is something.

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