It Could Happen Here - Outlaw: Criminalization of ICE Watch in Minneapolis

Episode Date: March 11, 2026

In Outlaw Podcast's first feature on ICHH, Olive talks with people detained and prosecuted for responding to ICE in Minneapolis during Operation Metro Surge. Clem and Ray describe being dragged from their car and taken into ICE detention, and Isavela Lopez and Lucy talk about catching charges and navigating ongoing cases. These conversations offer concrete insight into how federal agencies are responding to anti-ICE activity in the Twin Cities, and the impact that has on people's lives. To learn more about how the law is used to crush dissent, check out the other episodes of Outlaw, an anti-repression podcast. Follow @outlaw.pod on Instagram & @outlawpod.bsky.social Bluesky, & Substack https://outlawpodcast.substack.com/subscribe Get in touch: [e-mail] Solidarity with Isavela: Support Her Legal Fight https://www.gofundme.com/f/solidarity-with-isavela-support-her-legal-fight Follow Home Girlz 4 Isa to stay updated on her case https://www.instagram.com/homegirlz4isa Help keep vulnerable Minneapolis neighbors housed: https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-phillips-families-in-urgent-need Intro Music: Star by Tufawon https://www.instagram.com/tufawon/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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AllZone Media. Hey, everybody. Robert Evans here. And this is It Could Happen Here. Today we've got a special episode for you. This is a guest episode by Olive, a Minneapolis resident. and movement legal worker who hosts the Outlaw podcast. So without further ado, here's Olive. Hi, and welcome to the first crossover episode of It Could Happen Here and Outlaw,

an anti-repression podcast where we demystify how the law is used to neutralize dissent in the U.S. I'm your host, Olive. I live in Minneapolis, and if you've read a single headline over the last two months, you probably know that we are battling the largest immigration enforcement operation in U.S. history. Since early December, Minnesota has been occupied by 3,000 agents from Immigration and Customs Enforcement, ICE, and Customs and Border Protection, CBP, who have already abducted, imprisoned, and deported at least 4,000 people. In the face of this devastating federal occupation, people are showing up every single single, day to defend their migrant neighbors in unimaginably beautiful ways.

And on the other side of this effective resistance is expansive legal repression. All of the many ways the state uses the law and its enforcement mechanisms to crush dissent. More than 400 people have been arrested for protesting ICE or following ICE vehicles, with 35 of them now facing federal charges under 18 U.S.C. 11. assaulting, resisting, or impeding a federal officer. I think it's really important for those of you outside of Minnesota to know how law enforcement and political prosecution are working here because it might come to where you live too

and it's different than other kinds of movement repression that I've seen. Instead of the agencies that normally police citizen protesters, like local and state cops or the FBI, it's primarily ICE and CBP who are carrying out arrest. and its Homeland Security investigations doing the investigations. It's happening this way because arrests are mostly happening when people are responding to ICE activity, and so those are the agencies who are present to make arrests. This impacts everything, from how arrests go down and the conditions of incarceration,

to the kinds of charges that people are catching. To understand what all this actually means, you need to hear from those who are experiencing it, the people who have been detained and prosecuted for protesting ICE. So in this episode, you'll hear two interviews from Minneapolis rapid responders. First, you'll hear from Clem and Ray about their experience, being arrested out of their car, and taken into ICE detention. And second, Lucy and Isabel will talk about catching charges and navigating cases during the surge. Stick around at the end for a special treat, a poem from Isabel, and, a new song out of Minneapolis that responds to the surge.

And just a heads up before we get into it, in this episode you're going to hear people talk about their first-hand experiences with police violence. So take care of yourself. And if you like the episode, check out the other episodes of Outlaw wherever you listen to podcasts. Welcome to Outlaw. You're both here to talk about legal oppression of Ice Watch in Minneapolis over the past two months. Can you both introduce yourselves briefly and your connection to the Twin Cities? I am Ray. I use they-the-pron pronouns.

I'm from here. I grew up here and have lived most of my life in the Twin Cities. And I now live in Potterhorn Park. That's in South Minneapolis. Site of high ice activity. The highest, I believe. I would think that is true and quite close to the sites of George Floyd as well as Renee Goods murders. My name is Clem. I've lived in the cities for like five years maybe now. I grew up in the southwest. And I also live on the border of Powderhorn in the central neighborhood. So kind of yeah, halfway between where Renee was shot and where George Floyd was killed. So you both were arrested while you were doing ice watch in your car. For people who are listening, this gets called commuting here.

It can look different ways, but it often involves a hyper-local signal call with a dispatcher and commuters to be able to notify and dispatch rapid responders when ice is around. Commuters track ice vehicles, oftentimes following them around, which ice doesn't like. So my question for you two is, what kinds of tactics have you witnessed state-guards? agents use to stop this kind of rapid response organizing? I feel like they have escalated and it always depends on the agent, but there's times where they'll just slow roll and drive like a normal person. There's times where they'll run red lights, they'll break check you, they'll just like go

and loops around the city to try and lose you. And then depending on how aggr they are, they'll try and pull you over and intimidate you, or they'll try and lead you to like a police station or have a sheriff pull you over and they've thrown people with like stalking charges and stuff like that and yeah we personally have been we've had agents come up to our windows when we were commuting the two of us we've had we followed agents like all the way to northeast and a long time probably like an hour and then eventually downtown, they had sheriffs pull up on us and pull us over and tell us to stop following. And then we have the other thing that I'm sure you want to talk to us about.

A lot of what we've been seeing is just this recklessness, like speeding through red lights and not signaling just like a lot of like traffic violations. And then once you're pulled over, just having your windows smashed in and like them using all these intimidation tactics, but not necessarily detaining people. Yeah, and all of these vehicles don't necessarily look like a cop car. It's pretty rare for them to actually turn on their lights and sirens. So when they're going through intersections as quote-unquote law enforcement, it's pretty rare for someone to see them.

And there are times where we almost witnessed like T-bones of them just recklessly running a red light. Yeah, all the time. There's been a good number of car accidents also. involving their cars, right? Yeah, and like not even caused by community. They've just slipped on ice and ran into polls, and then they tear gas observers who are heckling them because they don't know how to drive in Minnesota.

Yeah, exactly. Let's turn to January 7th, 26, the same day Renee Good was killed by ICE. You both were out commuting. Can you tell me about how that day started for you? It was me picking up Clem and immediately there was like a suss car that like zoomed off and then Clem checked the plates and it was ice that we think was just waiting outside of the house. To intimidate? Unclear, but I mean it certainly felt that way. Had anything happened like that to you before Clem with them targeting the house?

Wasn't there something that? I think at that point, because they did. used the tactic, too, of like, when an observer is tailing them, they'll run your license plate and then drive you back to your house that the car is registered to as an intimidation tactic, and they'll get out and take pictures of the house. But I think at that point, me and my roommates that hadn't happened yet, but we had spent a lot of time at Whipple, like, just observing the cars going in out of the gates and trying to record all that data. And when you're there, there's just, like, intimidation vehicles that will just drive up right next your driver's side window and film you

and take pictures. So it was certainly in some sort of database at that point. What's Whipple? Whipple is the federal building that is near Fort Snelling State Park, which is by the airport, and that's where ICE has been operating out of. And it's the command headquarters for like the entire upper Midwest. So Wisconsin, Minnesota, the Dakota is, I think Iowa too. Okay, so the day starts off, there's an ice agent outside your house, and you get in the car to start commuting. Tell me about what happens next. The abandoned car.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the first thing I responded to is near Little Earth, which is like a gated community, but for like people who are like an urban reservation is what it calls itself. And there's a call of ice at a park nearby there. we showed up and there was just an abandoned car. And when I went and talked to someone on the street who was staying next to it, basically explained the situation of ice rolled up on them and they ran on foot and left the car and they basically had to push the car out of the road and then they ended up locking it because the person's documents.

So I was staying with the car and calling tow truck companies that have offered free toes for people who have gone inducted. and so we were probably there for like, I don't know, more than 30 minutes. And I think as that was happening is when Renee was shot, so neither of us were like on the call or looking at chats or anything. And we like went home for a break, and that's when we heard the news of that. Yeah, because I live really close by to there.

And there was a lot of swirling information. So people saying, you know, someone was shot, And then at first people being like come down to this area. And then, you know, very shortly after people being like, it's totally cordoned off, don't come down. There's also enough observers. And we need people to be out there doing this still because like we can't invest all of our resources into this one thing that's happening.

And probably within the hours when we got the message that was saying that there were vehicles staged in a parking lot down the street. So we drove down there. And there were already observers, people in cars, and on foot, probably around 30 people. And it was kind of a standoff of these vehicles, probably around five-ish vehicles. And then people blowing whistles, honking horns. And so Clem and I were there in the car doing that. So you see the news that Renee was killed and for doing exactly what you were doing, driving around your neighborhood to look out for your neighbors and you get back in the car and you keep going.

Yeah, that didn't stop us. I mean, if anything, it made us feel like we need to be out here because they're not stopping. We're not going to stop either. So you said you arrive at the next scene. where are you and what is ICE doing there? Yeah, it's the Dollar Tree parking lot, which is like on Lake Street and the uptown area. And yeah, there's five vehicles,

presumably staging, because what we've been calling it, where there's just like parked planning what they're going to do next. And there weren't any agents out of car. It was just a bunch of cars sitting there that we knew were ice. And a bunch of observers were responding. We were just like in the parking lot. They could still have driven around us. There was room on either side of our car that they could have driven past us.

And then in addition to that, they could have driven around. Like there were just several options for them to get around us. At that point, I think some agents got out and were like, move your vehicle, move your vehicle. And one of the cars, this like huge SUV rammed to the back of, my car to get it out of the way while you were in it? We were in it, yeah. And I think at that point,

Clem turned to me and was like, they're going to smash out the windows. And I was like, yep. And so at that point, I think we were both prepared for what was going to happen. I guess, though, also, I mean, once they smash the back of the car,

I was thinking, like, okay, they got us out of the way. Like, that might be it. But then, so the car's out of the way, but they all got out of their vehicles. They first maced the windows. So it's like they have a dye in it. It's like a bright orange. And they maced the passenger, the driver,

and the windshield windows. And then they came around on, they smashed both of the passenger and driver windows. And then sprayed bare mace through Clemside into both of our faces. Right before they smashed the windows, we grabbed each other's hands and we just held hands as it was happening around us.

And then I saw that bright orange mace coming from the passenger window. So they sprayed it directly in Clem's face and then they reached over and sprayed me. and they were able to open up the doors with the window smashed. And they dragged us out and he punched me in the jaw, like in the lip, really, while they cuffed me. And they used pain compliance.

It's like a, I mean, it's torture. So they've pulled my wrist up or my hand up against my arm. with the cuffs on and then pulled me, or like up against the vehicle where I was detained separately from Clem. But Clem, you can talk about what happened to you at that same time. Yeah, so I could feel the door open, and then they tried to yank me out and undo my seatbelt, and I was holding on to the seatbelt,

and eventually they got that undone. And I was just like trying to hold on to you as tired. as I could until they were able to break that grasp. Then two agents pulled me out and slammed me on the floor and got on top of me and put me in cuffs, and I'm still just having my eyes closed so the mace doesn't get in them. And, yeah, from there, I fell a few times and kept just being dead weight. And they kept trying to take me to cars, but they didn't know which car they were supposed to go to, or they would go to a car and they didn't have the keys for it.

So I just kept getting walked in circles, not seeing what was going on and hearing the confusion of all of them, until eventually I got put in the back of a car, and you got put into a separate car. On the way there, I mostly just was focused on breathing through the pain on the way to Whipple. And what was so disgusting to me, I mean, it was so fresh in our minds that Renee had just been killed, right?

And I'm hearing them singing on the radio. There was one agent who was singing like, I got a pucka, got a pocket fill a sunshine, or something like that. And a lot of laughter. I remember the phrases, fucking Somalis. And later, one of them complaining about all these fucking whistles. And I remember thinking like, oh, fuck yeah. they're working and it wasn't too long before we arrived in the garage it's a giant garage

where they process people and there are mostly agents vehicles and people have been detained like a line of people have been detained yeah I just want to point a couple of things out in what you both have said that's a little bit different than we normally see in protests related legal repression, which is one detention of people who are citizen protesters or just people arrested for protest activity by ICE, by immigration enforcement, or by federal agents in general. That's usually something that is done by state or local law enforcement cops or sheriffs, and people are taken to the local jail for processing. But here what's happening is you're being taken to work.

Whipple, which is the ICE detention center where all non-citizens detained by ICE for immigration reasons are also taken and processed, but you're also being brought there. So you're getting a window into ICE operations. And you're taken into a place that people also normally don't have access to. It's a pretty high security building that they don't like people from the outside, inside. But there you are in the garage. Right. Yeah. So we're on our knees. And at one point, I commented on how young the people looked that were holding Clem. And they pulled us apart. And they brought me to the opposite side of the garage.

And they're still using the pain compliance. They're filming me the whole time. There was just a bunch of agents that were filming me and like three guys that were like on me. And I said to them, I said, make it hurt, Daddy. And I was being mouthy and just this one guy in particular seemed really freaked out by that. And he pushed me to the ground with my face to the floor. And he said, you like the dirt queer? And my reaction for a lot of the time that this was happening is I just was laughing and laughing.

And I said, yeah, I fucking love the dirt. Like, I love the dirt more than anything. And I don't know how long I was like that. but they kept me on the ground and then eventually brought us in to bring us to the cells. We walked past this central command hub with all of these people who are working in this so-called metro surge operation.

And then on the left were cells of people who had been detained. I think we passed at least five cells from what we could see and they were filled just like wall to wall of black and brown people. that yeah and like one toilet in there so probably at least like two or three hundred people in there the desolation sticks with me and they led me to a separate cell than clem and this other person that we were detained with and these were seemingly like the remaining cells that were available in the in the whole area because i mean it was just full up like they were like completely at

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This season, an epic battle of He Said She Said, and the search for accountability in a sea of lies. Listen to Love Trapped on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Clem and I were in there for hours with mace in our eyes and like no relief from that. And I remember just laying on the ground and an agent coming in pretty soon after being an asshole

and he was like, we've got gourmet potato and chicken and Brussels sprouts or something, and he hands me this, like, little plastic container with, like, this just this white paste or, like, just like a microwave meal, goop. Goop, just disgusting goop. But we were in there for a while before being taken back, and I think they took me back. first. And I refuse to say anything without a lawyer, obviously. They hand me a piece of paper, and after reading me or my rights, and they said, actually, we need you to read these back to us to confirm that you speak English and understand English. And I was like, weird, but okay. So I start

to read it, and it's all pretty normal. And then I get to a paragraph that says something to the effect of like knowing these rights, I, or I waive my rights. So I was being tricked into waiving my rights, which I thought I was going crazy. I did not understand at the time. And I stopped halfway through the sentence. And I read it over and over and over, trying to make sense of it. And I said to them, I was like, I don't understand what I'm being asked to read. I'm not going to keep reading this. And they were like, that's okay. We have what we need. And they took it back. and then I got a phone call, Clemden Up. We got taken into the interrogation room,

and it was like to Homeland Security, I don't know, like, detective or whatever, but they, like, opened it with saying, like, I know this is all, like, can be a lot right now, so feel free to just, like, let it loose in this room. And I just, like, kind of looked at them, like, what are you talking about? Like, it was jarring to go from dealing with a month of seeing

only these people in masks and just like as this like horrible monstrosity of like a fascist and then being inside of there and like seeing that command center of all those people working on the computers like making this whole thing work and then all these detectives who like think they're detached from it and think that they're not a part

of what's going down on the streets right now just because they're working inside the building and yeah so the same thing happened they try to me questions and I said I wouldn't say anything without a lawyer president and I asked for a phone call and they did the same thing with the rights where they were going to read them to me and then the other detectives said actually we don't need to do that and so one of them just left for a bit and so I was just like left in the room with the like assistant detective and he just like asked me some how's your day going question and I just kind of dead stared him for like 20 minutes

which felt pretty good because he was very uncomfortable and kept just like avoiding eye contact. And I don't know, it's the small amount of power you can have when you're in a cage. And I got taken back to my room and tried the intercom and asked if I could get a phone call. And they said, I'll get a phone call after booking. So I was pretty worried about what was going to happen.

And eventually they said they had the lawyer present. And yeah, these two real cool lawyers were there that we know and are friends with. And they explained that we'd be out pretty shortly. And, yeah, and then we were able to get out and go home. But I feel really haunted by the fact that we were in there for, maybe a handful of hours and of course there are all these people that are stuck there that

aren't going to be able to go home the way we did and then I took the most painful shower of my life because the water I did the cold water thing and my lawyer friend had warned me about it was like you know

try not to get it in your bits but I totally did and it was excruciating. One of the things we talk about on the show is how to counteract the chilling effect of repression and just the trauma of a day like this that having violent interactions with law enforcement can cause.

And I really appreciate you both sharing and going back into this experience that happened now almost exactly a month ago from when we're recording. today. I'm curious if you have thoughts on what you've learned and moving through this experience, lessons you've learned that you'd want others to know about, about how to move through something like this and keep getting out there, as I know you both have. I don't really know how to move through it, but it's, yeah, I feel like it still lives in my

body and that fear has definitely changed me. But, yeah. It's been nice to have friends and community, and there's been a lot of, like, free sort of, like, body work, and I tried acupuncture for the first time, which was really nice. Yeah, just having people that have your back and knowing that, like, you're not alone in this. Like, since we've been arrested, there's been hundreds of people in the same exact boat as us, and, yeah, it feels good to know or not. outlier here. Unapologetically, myself.

Like most anti-ice protesters arrested here during the surge, Clem and Ray were released pending charges. But the legal landscape is rapidly shifting. At least 30 out of the 35 federal cases from the past two months were charged retroactively in the past few weeks. To give you a sense of how these cases might unfold and what it's like to face these charges, you'll hear from two Minneapolis-based anti-ice protesters facing criminal charges for responding to a raid at Takaria Las Quattros Milpas that took place back on June 3, 2025.

Isabel Lopez faces federal charges, and Lucy faces state charges from that day. Their June cases are still open today, and Lucy also caught federal charges after responding to an ice raid that took place during Operation Metro-Solk. Welcome, Isabel and Lucy. We're going to talk today about legal oppression you both are experiencing for protesting ICE in Minneapolis. But before we even start that conversation, can you both introduce yourselves your connection to the Twin Cities and share a little bit about who you are outside of the topic of today's conversation? Isabel, we can start with you. Jews. Hi, my name is Elisuela. Hi, my name isabela. I'm a community, I don't know, organizer, helper.

And I'm also spoken word poet. I've been writing and doing performances here in the Twin Cities for, like, since like 2020 with the whole George Floyd thing. Yeah. And I've also done other organizing when it comes to the climate justice movement and also indigenous rights. I have Zapotech, Benzada, Raises, and like, that's just important for me. So yeah, but I was born in Chicago, raised here in the Twin Cities.

Hi, Lucy. I've been in Minneapolis since, I don't know, the early 2010s. But I lived in Minnesota forever. I mean, I've been in and out, but I feed people. I'm a loud bitch. I'll make noises. I make songs. Make good trouble.

Okay. So you were both arrested and charged after a multi-agency raid that took place back on June 3, 2025, at Las Cautro Milpas, a Mexican talkeria, in South Minneapolis. Officials still say that it was not an ice raid and that they were executing a warrant for drug trafficking, but ICE agents were confirmed on site, alongside 10 other federal agencies and local cops, and the owner of the talkeria ended up in ICE detention. The raid and response went pretty viral. The operation was heavily militarized and hundreds of neighbors turned out in protest. Issa, you were charged with three counts of obstructing, impeding, or assaulting a federal officer, and a fourth count of impeding a federal investigation. And Lucy, you're facing state-level charges from that day and federal assault charges. I'd love to hear from you both a little bit about your experiences, getting arrested and catching charges. What do you want people to know about what that experience was like? Yeah, so I wasn't

arrested until like three or four days later because that happened on June 3rd and then I was arrested on June 9th. It felt very planned and just like a pop-it show. I remember, I think it was the day after two senators from the house here in Minnesota were shot. And Georgia Fort, you know, was a really close community friend of mine. We're both from the east side. and she called me to do an interview. I was kind of unsure about it, but she just assured me that she just wanted to hear my story. And yeah, I didn't really think much of it. And so then I went, I did the interview.

I was still very shaken up about what happened that day. By around like four, I think, or like three, I was coming out. And by that time, in downtown, there's not a lot of things going on in St. Paul. It's kind of a dead city by that time. And so as I was coming out, that's when four officers came from behind me and arrested me and pushed me to the ground and my shoulder hit the concrete. And I started bleeding. And they took me in the black SUV. And they waited there for a second.

And, you know, just when Georgia came out and saw everything that was happening and started recording. And, you know, from there, let the community need. knew about what happened. And so after that, that's when I kind of started realizing what this administration is trying to do. And it felt very orchestrated. It felt very calculated, even after, especially after there was a lot of news about my arrest and adding my face to this whole drug raid and my case to it. So, yeah, I know other people were arrested, but my arrest felt very like intentional and calculated and kind of racist. This is an abuse of power and this isn't okay. Like I don't care who you are. I don't care how you see things. Like I'm like barely not even

5.3, 52. And you know, these men that were huge felt the need to tackle me. This is all allegedly, right? But at the same time, I think that I want people to understand that they can make their own calls and own judgment and how like this justice system is. that right now at all. It's repression. Am I also remembering correctly that I maybe had seen you post a video on Instagram about that raid? Because I feel like in my impression, it also felt like maybe retaliation for you speaking out. Yeah, definitely. Your case feels important for people to know about, especially in the past two weeks

here in Minneapolis. Twenty-eight people have been charged with assault on a federal officer and are facing federal charges now. There was a handful before that, but we've just seen a massive spike of people who were charged after being released pending charges. So your case does feel like this test case that's being looked to is how are they going to handle this and what's going to happen?

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Excellent! Listen to Love Trapped on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I would love to turn to you loose. see and hear a little bit about what you're facing and what your experience has been like. I think they charged me with assault, and then they downgraded it to, like, less degree assault because it was ridiculous. But yeah, they had like six cops tackle me, and my shoulders never been the same. But that was, that was in June. And then in another instance, I also have charges for assaulting a federal officer. Seems like they just charge everyone.

You know, and like all of these legal observers are also getting doxed by the AG. They're trying to raise the stakes of resisting the administration as much as possible because it is a popular movement. It's like generally popular to hate ICE, but they're trying to make it as expensive and as irrevocably life-destroying for U.S. citizens as it is for people who aren't U.S. citizens. I think it's super important to highlight the ways in which these targeted political prosecutions are being used to raise the stakes of showing up to defend your community from abduction, from death, from surveillance and intimidation and fascist violence. Do you know who else were, was arrested that day? There was two people arrested on June 3rd. They were both arrested in the same interaction with a police officer. A young woman was standing in front of a police vehicle, and an officer approached her super rapidly, and then someone approached that officer.

And from the video, it seems like that person ripped off a thin blue line lapel Velcro from the officer, and then that officer proceeded to assault that person. And then that person was accused of assault. And then my federal charges, the government has motioned to dismiss them, but we are motioning to dismiss them with prejudice. And during that interaction, I can't really speak to what happened between me and federal officers, but a pregnant woman was assaulted by federal officers. People were tased, people were hit with batons, and that woman had like a ice agent on top of her for like, I don't know, a half hour. People said that she miscarried. She was pregnant. Everyone was saying she was pregnant. She was dragged by one arm between the legs of the ICE officer. They said that she spray painted a car, and that was the reason for the arrest. They also said that there was no proof of that either. And that incident was one of the first immigration operations in the surge, or one of the earlier ones that went pretty viral. There was a lot of coverage. It was a huge raid, big community turnout. It was also like ice was on the wrong block and they were in a Somali neighborhood and people were mad and people were showing up and not letting them get away with it. Also, I think there was a lot of response my understanding was to ICE having their knee on this pregnant person's back for such a long period of time.

from what I've seen in the complaint for that day for your case, which is a public record, and I'm not asking you to speak to whether or not it's true or anything about it, but part of what you're being charged with is, I believe, de-arresting that person, the pregnant person while they were dragging her. And as a result, you got assault on a federal officer charges. So just some context for people listening for the case as we're following. following it. Those are the public allegations that the government has made. But it was one of the earliest federal cases during the surge and one of the earlier assault cases of this kind. So

interesting to hear that it looks like it's headed for a dismissal and exciting for you that that is the case. Isabel, there's been community mobilization to support you starting back in June. could you speak to what's been effective about that and what you've learned fighting these charges related to this political prosecution? I mean, in the grand scheme of things, I think that there's just been so much repression when it comes to just, you know, the brown community. We've lost Mercado Central, which is a really dope place on Lake Street or right across the street from like where it happened from Los Quattramil Paz. you know, it was like raising funds so they don't close. And, you know, I think I think the Star Tribune really stuff for Latino businesses, wrong businesses, they've lost like $46 million this past month. So what I'm trying to say with that is that my community is very much on the scarcity, you know,

like it's almost like we're being dragged to the point. And so when my community showed up for me that day, like it just showed for me like how resilient we are and how much like it's scary but we can't keep having other people in our communities disappear, you know, people that we can't afford. And for my case, because I'm a U.S. citizen, I feel very, like, responsible and very, like, wanting to, like, being present in community, because that's really what I can do. I can't really, like, do a lot because of the fear that, like, if I come into certain spaces, am I being watched? You know, and they've kind of shown, like, hinting having a lot. an eye on me basically throughout this. But like, you know, being present with community and being

there when, you know, for organizing and knowing, you know, your rights and things like that, I think has helped a lot of people in my community to, one, be a lot more careful, but two, know that, like, what we're going up against and how it's a way of survival to keep going and, like, you know, to have our rights be at least grow during these times. And we've had, like, observable. trainings. We've had a lot of low-key, smaller trainings. We're not, like, trying to tell too many people about it for the same reason. And for my case in particular, it's been really hard just because, like, a lot of people are scared and a lot of people are very intimidating to speak out and, you know, advocate for what's been going on in my case because, you know, they want us to keep having this

scarcity mentality and, you know, being afraid of, like, what's to have. happen what's to come. So for me, it's just been really important for me to, like, be with community, to be with people and like to share my story in the small ways that I can. And, you know, we've been doing phone baking campaigns and also just writing in letters. They have a radar on me for sure and know, like, or where I'm at, where I stand. But I also know that I have a really big community behind me. And I know it's not just about me. It's about the fuck that it's bigger about what could happen to somebody else in our community. And it's been hard, but I think it's, it's, you know, it's important for us to know that, like, you know, we can keep pushing and, like, be together in community despite all this.

And so, yeah, it has been kind of hard, especially with the surge. It got even more messy, you know, just with a lot of people trying their best to keep their head above the water and helping the families that they can. Because a lot of families haven't been able to leave their house. When you say we've been hosting trainings, are you referring to. to your support committee, you've been doing like events that are joint raising awareness about your case and also helping community get trained up. Is that what you mean? Oh, yeah. I think, I mean, it's one and the same. I feel like the people that I'm working with, they work and do a lot of grassroots things in the community. And so I know me just showing up

to those trainings and just talking about my case like that. That helps a lot. So it's like that. And we've done a couple events here and there where we talk about immigration. We did one in June. or no, in July, I think. And like, we still have said to do more things with community to just know that, like, you know, we're all here in it. But it has been very nerve-wracking. It's been really hard just because, like, I don't know who's watching. I don't know who's in the room.

I don't know who I can trust. But I know I'm not alone. So that's the best part about it. So. Yeah. There's so much intentional isolation of people facing charges. That's so much of how repression works is to isolate people, make them scared. to go be in community and do important work. So thanks for continuing to show up. It's cool to hear

you speak to both navigating the fear and continuing to show up where you can. I'd love to hear you both speak a little bit more. I know you just spoke about this a little bit, Isabel, but what it's been like navigating these cases amidst the past couple months of the surge here in the Twin Cities. It's a pretty, unique moment to also have these pretty high stakes cases going on. Lucy, if you want to start. It just sucks. I mean, there's lots of ways of doing things, but like, I don't want to be afraid that I need to call my pretrial release person every time a cop talks to me. Like, I don't know. Like, I, not that I interact with cops all the time, but I'm in Minneapolis and like, you keep talking to the probation

guy about this. I'm like, you know, if a cop drives by me, is that a police interaction? If I'm I'm on the street and the fucking feds are in the street in front of my house. Is that a police interaction? Like, it just makes you so stressed out. Like, Renee Good was shot in front of me. And it's like, like, normally, I'm not the kind of person that runs away from a situation like that. I'm like, would go towards where what happened to, like, make sure people are okay or, like, see if there's anything I can do. and in that situation

I was like, what if I just am going to go to jail like for trying to like do something? So it's just like, it's just contrary to my instincts that if I see someone getting brutalized in the street or they say you can go to a protest but that's just what repression is, you know? They come into your house and they look in every single room

you know, that they say, that you need to go and do drug tests and that you can't have a firearm. They want to be to have 24-7 monitoring. I don't know if you have that kind of shit, but it's just like, this shit's insane. Like, and it's over fucking nothing.

And so that's why, like, I see people on the internet being like, oh, but like all those charges get dropped or whatever. I was like, then fuck you. Like, you never dealt with this. Like, it doesn't matter if the charges get dropped. I'm going to try and apply to fucking target to be a cashier. And then they're going to be like,

actually you have an active case. I tried to work at a theater and they were like, can you come explain what happened here? It doesn't matter if you end up going to jail. Yeah, going to jail sucks. But repression is like, it's the thing in and of itself. The cruelty is the point. I want to hear from you to Isabel.

I just want to say for people listening that what Lucy's talking about are release conditions. So when the case is initiated against you, the government could argue that you should be held in detention while the case is ongoing or they could ask for conditions of release. And those are conditions that are enforced by a pretrial probation officer-like person who might come to visit your house or you have to call when you have cop interactions or who facilitates drug testing depending on what your conditions are. So just some background on that for anyone who's unfamiliar. Yeah, I think Lucy kind of said at best was like, you're really questioning your instincts.

you're questioning, like, what can you do? And I've tried my best to be as creative as I can with it. But yeah, it's so hard because I'm finding myself having to mobilize in a different way and, like, show up the community. So I've kind of pivoted to art. Yeah, doing things when it comes to, like, screen printing and just, again, just showing up in community and just try to play face or be face. Like, be real, you know, be with community. But yeah, it has been really hard because, again, you never really know what you can and cannot say. Like, the other day, I had a really good friend that I made a photograph for me talking about explaining my case and things like that. You know, I can't really post too much about my case. People started tagging me in it. I tried resharing one of it. I only shared like one of, reshared one of the tags. And then I tried resharing another tag that

can't explain what to do to help with my case. And like Instagram. and let me post it. You know, this is like minor shit. Like this isn't like that big of a deal. But it's also just like, okay, like, yeah, they want to make sure that you're not being seated or heard. And I'm pretty fortunate to have a job where like they're paying me to do community work and they have known me.

So like I'm, I feel really lucky. At the same time, it's also just been really hard because like, you know, some people are more reluctant to have me in the room when it comes to like organizing or doing certain things because of that because like you know of where my case stands and some people have like you know actually kind of walked away from being my friend because you know they were also there that day on June 3rd and um just also kind of being afraid about what would happen to them but on the other side of that you know there's also been friends that are like I'm going to be here I'm down like don't like don't don't you wear it, you know, which has been great.

Yeah, don't ditch your friends. Like, I had, like, my roommate being like, I'm going to, I got to leave. Like, I'm going to dip. And people being weird to you. And it's just like, I don't know, maybe you just should be better about your, like, security in general. Because, like, sooner or later, we're all going to have charges. I don't know. Maybe it's not going to be that bad.

But we're all domestic terrorists. in Minnesota now. Fuck, I mean, as per I, you know, making a list. And I don't know. They can't jail everybody. It's just been really hard navigating. I guess like the sense of morality that comes with it because it's like for me, and I feel like, you know, Lucy can relate to this is that like you act on the things

that you believe in. You act on the things that you know is worth participating in. And now this administration. is, you know, gaslighting. I don't even think gaslighting is a right word. I think it's just like imposing a lie of just like what is right and what is wrong. And seeing everybody also just being very gaslit and having, you know, the news, having the certain narrative of like what is right, what has been said, what has been said, what has not been said, what really happened, what didn't happen. And also just arresting independent journalist. I think just goes to show how much

Constitution has not been constituted. Like, the human rights that we believed and we thought that we have are no more. So it's like what goes and what doesn't go, you know? And I think that for me, the only real hope I have is like community and like creativity. Because it's like people have shown up for me because I've been showing up since like 2020. So like how can we inspire a sense of like a sense of hope and spirit to keep. going. How can we keep, have people know that there is hope at the end, that, you know, that there can be another side that right now what we're seeing is just another world unfolding.

And the only way that we can really understand that new world is when we understand the truth that we've been walking on. And so my friends have been so good to me and some of them have been, you know, they've made like graphics and really cool, like, shirts with my face on it. just a way to like welcome me home and things like that. And creating different images of like what this new world can be. And, you know, one thing that I did with some of the NDN collective, we made this really dope graphic that says motherland on it. And it's all the Americas having roots from the global south.

You know, and being Zapotec has been really like so key for me to know that like I have every right to be here. that like a lot of the legitimacy that is constituted quote unquote for me that doesn't come from for me that's not my truth of like why I move and why I believe to do is right to me I do what is right because of the history that I come from because of like you know who my dad is and like the people that I know that I come from you know I'm not like native to the northern plains but I do have friends that are and I do respect and love them so much where I want to see the traditions be fully. and thrive. And I know that my power and my liberty is tied with theirs. And I know that we have every right to be here from the people that are from the global south as well because of the fact that we haven't been able to fully thrive in the motherland. We haven't been fully thrived in all of the Americas. And a lot of people don't want to immigrate. A lot of people don't want to migrate. They don't want to leave their motherland. But I know that we have built homes here. We have built communities here. And I think that for me, that that's the other side of it is that we can thrive and that we can be in this place together that we have every right to.

Like bad puny sitting in this concert last night together we are America, Abayela. So, yeah. I also just want to ask what support asks you have for listeners, either for your defense campaigns or for anti-ice organizing more broadly. Yeah, for me, we're having people call in to Daniel Rose to draw the charges and to send in letters. That's our community ask and also to donate to the go-funding. Yeah, I'm finding myself needing more support when it comes to just getting people on the side and just, yeah, getting people also sustained through the movement as well through that. So, yeah, donate to my confide me. And also, if they can,

it's in an letter, call in, and it'll, yeah. I'll just say, yeah, talk to everyone you can. Talk to your neighbors. Talk to your relatives. It should be impossible for them to convict anything in Minnesota because no jury is sympathetic with these people. And the only way that happens is if there's a broad understanding of the violence that is being perpetuated in our communities

and a broad support of those that are resenting. existing it. Well, I know you both have shared the importance of creative work for you. Isabel, do you have a poem you'd like to read or anything you want to share? Yeah, I can read a poem real quick. Since I can't really speak much about what happened that day, I wrote this. When I walked outside, I saw eyes staring back at me, cold presence, stirring an earthquake in my body. Do I freeze or do I run? I asked myself, do my parents have the time to ask themselves this when they left the motherland? If I run, I might slip into its brute arms and be caught by its cages. If I freeze, will it drown out all the warmth of my family lit inside of me?

Will the cuffing freeze the southern sun in my blood veins just to be as numb as them? The cold thrives in control. The order of ignorance can thrive in an unconscious and vulnerable pride. I never thought their hands could be as brown as mine, as young as mine, as desperate for safety. that it folds into another version of insanity. The wrong ice is melting and the warmth of brown and black bodies are freezing. Can I walk back into the pattern of survival?

My lineage taught me to flourish instead of freezing in the numbing of society. Wow. Thank you. Does that have a name? Yeah, it's ice. Or ice freeze. Something like that. Maybe I still am. Unapologetically.

We recorded this episode in the first half of February in 26. It's March now, so here's a couple updates. Since recording, eight of the federal defendants have had their charges dismissed, and many have been offered misdemeanor deals. We also now know that there are over 100 protesters facing state-level charges, mostly misdemeanors. The aftermath of repression in the form of criminal cases from this time will likely continue for years, if not decades to come.

And another update, thousands of agents have left the Twin Cities. I get to see my neighbors out of their houses a little more often now. But daily life is still colored by ongoing abductions, disappeared family members, and shockwaves of state violence that have hit our migrant neighbors. I know I said it in the beginning, but just to say it to close, As much as there's devastating violence and terror happening here, there's incredibly magnificent resistance and community connection happening. Every single day, neighbors are showing up and stopping abductions.

They're watching people get killed in the street for doing it, and they're showing up the next day to continue. There's a kind of fearlessness and a kind of love that is in this community that I've never seen anyone. else. So as much as things are horrible, things are also beautiful, and I want you to know that. The theme music you heard in this episode was the song Star by Tufa One, a Dakota and Buriqua artist based out of Minneapolis. Check out their other music. If you liked this episode, check out the show Outlaw, wherever you get your podcasts. throw us a rate, review, and follow OutlawPod on Instagram and Blue Sky. To close the episode, here's a song written in Minneapolis during the surge.

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