It Could Happen Here - Q&A Part 1

Episode Date: January 4, 2022

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Shit. Yeah. New year, same shit. I'm Robert Evans This is behind the No it's not We retired this in 2021 We retired this bit

Where is this Time for a new bit Time for more coffee The podcast about how things Sometimes feel like they're falling apart Sometimes and maybe we can do Things about that You like they're falling apart sometimes. And maybe we can do things about that. You know what's falling apart is me.

Because I, during my break, woke up at like 1.30 every day. And now it's some unspeakable hour in the morning. I hate this. You picked the time. You picked the time. No. So, for one of our first episodes of the new year, we have decided to subject ourselves to your parasocial whims. And we are going to be doing maybe one, maybe two Q&A episodes,

giving A's to your Q's. And I've been told... A and U right in the Q. Okay. I've been told that our producer U right in the queue. Okay. I've been told that our producer, Sophie, has a list of questions already prepared so that I can stop talking and she can now. You've been told you're the one who posted the thread.

Sophie said that she would read them. I did. I did Volunteer's Tribute, but I might take that back and see how much energy I have. At some point, yeah. I might take that back and see how much energy I have. At some point, yeah. I might take that back. Let's start with a good one.

What has been your favorite episode slash topic to research in this past season? So since we started season two. Oh, God. Since we started season two. Oh God. I enjoyed the metaverse Facebook episodes. Because there's a part of me that really likes. Shitting on. Bad tech industry stuff.

It fills a deep part of me. Just. Really comprehensively. Thinking about how. How terrible the vision of the future. These people have it. So that was probably my favorite. I liked. The climate was probably my favorite. I liked the Climate Leviathan stuff,

the Climate Leviathan, Climate Behemoth, Climate Mao, Climate X, kind of four quadrants. I liked learning about that, like, oh, geez, almost a year ago, actually, by the time I started researching for the show. And I'm decently happy with the way that those topics were presented and how they keep popping back every once in a while i think in terms of just the favorite episode i recorded was probably the interview with the common humanity collective people just because like listening to a bunch of people who

have a very sophisticated and well-developed mutual aid project and then listening to you know them talk about their political development and how they've been sort of solving their problems was really like reassuring and cheerful in a lot of ways and then research wise it was definitely the the spooky area 51 episode where i was like oh i'm gonna do a fun episode about uh government and aliens. And it was like, oh, no, here's every war crime ever. And like 16 people almost killing everyone on Earth. This is a good time. Probably the most fun I had was with the Chaos Magic and Esoteric Kekism episode.

That was a hoot. Good times. How silly it is. Yeah, that one also was just a pleasure to record i also loved having cory doctorow on um oh totally because that was cool that was cool that was that was very cool how cool of us i've enjoyed our our fiction episodes with uh margaret and with rebecca those have been great. And I've loved having St. Andrew. Yeah, that has been also very cool. Fantastic.

What were you going to say, Robert? Nothing. Oh, great. This person says, I think I've got my head wrapped around mutual aid, community resilience, and all the stuff you talk about. Any tips on how to effectively communicate it to people who might not be at least initially open to it? I mean, it kind of depends on why they're not open to it, right? So it's a matter of are they just somebody who has a lot of faith in systems as they exist? Are they someone who's kind of coming at it from more of a traditional, like liberal, um, statist perspective where they, they think the option is to get in line with,

you know, the democratic party and support that. And that will make things better. Um, like basically are they a top downer? Um, or are they somebody who rejects it? Cause it's like communism. Um, and they, they don't, they don't think that people have any kind of fundamental responsibility to themselves. Um, cause you are going to have any kind of fundamental responsibility to themselves. Because you are going to have kind of a different approach to trying to reach either of those people. If they're coming at it from kind of more of a right-wing standpoint, but they're not, you know, talking about shooting vaccine doctors. They're just kind of conservative. talking about shooting vaccine doctors. They're just kind of conservative. I think the way to do it is to sort of harken back to some of these very traditional ideas of like American homesteaders

and independent, you know, communities on the frontier and self-reliance and how mutual aid is people taking responsibility for their communities rather than this idea I think a lot of conservatives have of people just kind of lazily taking charity, how it's different from charity in that it's a community seeing its own needs and becoming independent as much as is possible from the state by trying to meet its own needs and how that is better for people than just sort of being like being dependent upon government programs. I think that's kind of the way in which to reach out to those people with that idea. If they're coming at it from more of a liberal top down approach, I think you can get more into the weeds and argue about kind of inefficiencies within the system, problems within the system. I think one thing to really point out that will probably still be fresh to a lot of people of that persuasion is how frightening the first couple of weeks of quarantine were and all of the supply line issues and kind of the early breakdowns.

To be like, look, that didn't go away. Like, right, you can see that, that we're still dealing with a lot of this and we're still having supply line disruptions and the state really has not kind of even under Biden sailed in to clear the gap. And so we need these community resiliency programs. And you can, you know, depending on the kind of person they are, you can also sort of point out the degree to which there is our attempts at kind of sabotage of any sort of top-down government programs by the right and how that's part of why you need community resiliency programs because you can't guarantee who's going to be in the White House. You can't guarantee what's going to continue to get funded and outside of kind of any of the structural issues that make that stuff difficult. So I think that's kind of broadly speaking the two different ways you can broach those conversations with

people depending on the tendencies they're looking at it from. let's get into an unpleasant one uh what's the gang's outlook on this year's election and how do you think it might position us for 2024 do we see more violence leading up to the next presidential election i know we'll be doing a prediction z-ish episode later um but as for this election i have i have not looked at anything about it I think the Steelers are going to take it all what sport are the Steelers? one of them that's great

I mean yeah I mean I feel like if Democrats want to keep the power that they currently have, they will probably need to do some type of symbolic action that makes people think they actually do things. I mean, they've managed to have control of everything and done absolutely nothing that they promised. And done nothing with it. Yeah. I'm guessing if they want to keep that, they should probably do something really soon. Or else I don't see people being super eager to vote in 2022 for

the Democrats. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, one of the issues they've got is this this thing that kind of the technocrats always have where, you know, as we as Corey pointed out when we had him on, there have been some really positive moves by the Biden administration in terms of like appointments and how different kind of agencies are being handled. But when it comes to the things that he actually campaigned on, like it just hasn't, it hasn't happened. Shit ain't been done. Like the closest we've gotten recently is yet another kick the can down the street a little bit for student loan repayments. And I agree. I think they need to do – there's like two big things they could do that might have a significant shifting effect. One of them would be student debt forgiveness and one of them would be fucking deschedule marijuana.

Even without Congress, Biden could effectively make marijuana not – and like that would be, number one, politically the easiest fucking win in the world because the vast majority of Republicans don't give a shit about that anymore. It'll piss off cops, which is probably why you won't do it, but those two things could have an impact on midterms.

That's certainly a thing that you can campaign on more, but I don't know that I think it'll do that. And obviously, I guess another big old payment to stay home, but I think that ship done sailed. like you can campaign on more but i don't i don't know that i think he'll do that and obviously i guess another big old payment to stay home but i think that ship done sailed like i honestly like i don't think they want to win in 2022 like they want to get creamed so they can sit there and then and go oh yeah uh we can't do anything because republicans control the house and you guys need to like uh you guys need to like save us in 2024 this is the most important election of our lifetime it's like and they they will keep doing this over and over and

over again until literally the seas boil and everyone you know everyone's being heard into concentration camps like they will just keep doing this and and like i think that's that's the thing that's actually important about the 2022 cycle is that like the democrats have you know what you know what the rejection of bernie sanders sort of is is the democrats essentially going we are not a popular party right like we are not a party that is going to like like we will not even give the pretense of like having a base that we represent and we do things for like we're just we're just in it for ourselves we're in it to just like you know give all of our weird like black rock friends positions in the government

and we don't you know and it's you know it's it's, we don't have a policy agenda and we don't care if we lose, because if we lose all you people just have to go put us back into office because the alternative is just more death camps. Yeah. I mean, I think that there's a broad belief, like within kind of the democratic party, that things are still business as usual and that the Republican party is still a political party. And so kind of the handing off and switching of power is fine. That's seen as business as usual rather than the Democrats or the Republicans are continually ratcheting away from there being any chance of a switch of power, at least through legal means. Like that's the whole thing they're doing. And the failures to pass any kind of voting rights and the failures to see like a voting right reform as an existential issue for not just the party but like the concept of democracy in this country is I think evidence that however you kind of try to rationalize in your head why it's happening, there's a real disconnect between the party leadership and understandings of the new nature of reality.

Yeah, well, this is the other thing. I mean, they'll be fine, right? Like, outside of, like, another January 6th killing them all, like, they'll be fine. It doesn't, like, for them, it basically doesn't matter if Republicans take power. Maybe some of them will get impeached. There'll be, like, a show trial for, for like two people or something but like they're gonna be fine and you know that's that's the thing that motivates all of their thinking is they they can survive another republican administration like we're you know we're dying under both of them

and you know like i mean this is this is partially you know if we talk about sort of the covid response for a second and the relation that has to the election it's like yeah the democrats are just like completely given up even the pretense of doing literally anything about covid literally because literally yeah nothing yeah just zero yeah it's go out and die yeah like it's we can talk about that that's a separate yeah yeah that's a separate issue i think just in terms of like how how to interpret what they're doing with covid and the degree to which i think they even have a chance of uh whatever um but yeah i was like they don't care if we live or die like we care if we live or die and we're gonna have to do stuff on our own outside of this because

they're just gonna kill us all yep yeah i mean i think that it's hard for me to tell where the elections are going to go precisely uh biden's polling certainly isn't great it's hard for me to tell where the elections are going to go precisely. Biden's polling certainly isn't great. It's also not like wildly out of step with how where presidents often are kind of at this point in their cycle. So and also it's pretty normal for the party that just won the presidential election to lose at the midterms. That's more normal than not. I think so. I think the big questions are, number one, like the degree to which it's a wide sweep,

which is going to depend on the actual impact. A lot of these efforts to kind of restrict voting and gerrymander, like what the actual on the ground impact is and the degree to which we've seen an actual shift, because one of the things that the polls don't often tell us is like, yeah, Democrats are not popular. Most people seem to be aware that a lot of promises have gone unfulfilled. But it doesn't also mean that they like the Republicans who, as the party of Trump, are still kind of widely disliked by people. So it's kind of unclear to me what precisely is going to go down, by which I mean whether or not it's going to be a pretty normal midterm,

whether Republicans pick up some seats or like a nightmare blowout. And I do think that has a lot to do with whether or not Biden and like does a couple of the things that a president can do unilaterally that would be really easy for other people to campaign on. If they actually do want to win, they have to make a couple of big Hail Marys. They have to do, again, Biden has to do a couple of the big things that a president can do and then say, OK, see, I did a thing. Put more Democrats in and we can do this other big thing that a president can't do on his own or something like that. Like, I just don't see. I mean, you know, anything could happen still. It's fucking January.

I think there's a positive if you want to in terms of things that are make me kind of optimistic. If you want to – in terms of things that make me kind of optimistic and in terms of things that are better about when the Democrats are in power than the Republicans, you can bully the Biden administration to taking broadly positive action, which is what happened with student loan repayments, right? That's why that did get kicked down the road a couple of months. And so I do think there's potential in harassing the Biden administration to taking actions that can make Democrats more popular. That would not be the reason to do it. The reason to do it is so that people don't starve trying to pay back student loans. But it does point to, I think, an avenue of hope if we're trying not to be complete doomers in January of 2022. Yeah. And speaking of avenues of hope, it's time for an ad break. Ah, the only thing that gives me hope is the products and services that support this podcast.

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Listen to Nocturnal Tales from the Shadows as part of my Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we are back we are back we are uh yoda-ing it i i've i've i have a question i would like us to talk about um okay new year book list oh yeah that's nice and simple so what's what's some i think we could answer this like and then they also someone else followed up with saying uh recommend some books that maybe not just left this theory of climate change also some like fiction stuff as well and i'm i'm just gonna say the books that i'm reading or is on my reading list not i'm not gonna recommend books i've

already read i'm just gonna say the ones i'm currently reading. I'm still making it through Hyperobjects for an upcoming episode. I picked up a really... a book I've wanted to get for a long time called Islands of Abandonment, which is about people... Well, no, it's about places that have kind of been forgotten

and regrown or taken... have been kind of reclaimed by the area that they were that they were built on. And then I also have a random few books on alchemy that I'm going through as well. That's most of my books. Horrible. I read the last book I finished in 2021 was in the Garden of Beasts, which is by – what is his name? I think it's Eric Larson. He's a guy who's written – he wrote like Devil in the White City and a couple of other books that people have probably read. Yeah, Eric Larson.

And it's about the first US ambassador to Nazi Germany or what becomes Nazi Germany. He gets sent there right before, like months before Hitler takes power. And the book largely traces he and his family's journey in Nazi Germany from like kind of didn't really care about German politics and were often broadly sympathetic towards the Nazis. They met like his daughter kind of is very much like on board with the Nazi revolution for like the first half year that she's there. She's also like simultaneously dating the head of the Gestapo and the Soviet like assistant ambassador, which is fascinating. Like it's a very interesting book. And the story, like the journey, this kind of family goes on realizing like what the Nazis

are and the perspective of that. It's very well written. It's very detailed. I really enjoyed it. The thing that I liked the most was the detail it goes into about the kind of the fates of, because it's a more, you know, obviously as much of a nerd on the history of fascism as I am, I've read a lot about the Night of Long Knives. This did the best job of kind of going into detail about the kind of dudes who – the dudes who were purged in the Night of Long Knives. These guys who were Nazis in that they wore swastikas and they were part of the party and whatnot but also weren't Nazis enough to not get purged. And in a lot of cases were like starting to fall out of love with the party when the Night of Long Knives had. And so it's these, it's really interesting. I recommend

it to people. And the last book I started in 2021, and the first book I finished in 2022, was called Ministry of the Future by Kim Stanley Robinson, who is an interesting science fiction author in part because Ministry of the Future is about climate change. It is a science fiction look at about like a thousand different potential solutions to climate change. And Kim Stanley Robinson is actually like an expert. He works for the Sierra Center, I think it's called. He works for the Sierra Center, I think it's called. He's won a bunch of awards for his work on like trying to like posit different solutions to climate change. He's not like coming at this from the perspective of even a well-researched author. He's writing from the perspective of someone who is an actual scientific expert in what happens and how the different solutions might work. And the thing that's really interesting about Ministry of the Future is it's this fascinating melange of like a number of the character – the Ministry of the Future is this kind of hypothetical new UN agency that's put in place after a horrible wet bulb heat event kills 20 million people in India.

And they're kind of trying to push for very technocratic solutions to climate change. So like one of the big things the book focuses on a lot is this idea of a climate coin, which is a kind of international backed by banks cryptocurrency that pays as a kind of long-term bond for sequestering carbon so that countries like Saudi Arabia that have huge oil reserves actually make more money by refusing to pump out oil and thus get paid in these coins. So it's really technocratic solutions like that. And then also terrorist groups that may be funded by this UN agency building fleets of drones to murder people on commercial air flights en masse in order to cripple the entire air travel industry and stop carbon emission and carrying out mass very wonky solutions to things and like terrorists

who have lost people in climate emergencies, mass murdering billionaires. And so it's a very – it's the widest possible ranging look at kind of different solutions to climate change and how they might work. And it's a very optimistic book. And there's elements of it that I kind of, the optimism I kind of disagree with. I think oddly enough, Kim doesn't give enough weight to the dangers of authoritarian populism and the threat I think they present to any of these kind of potential solutions. But it's still a very well thought out look at climate change. And I think really worth reading if you want

something that will both bring up different because he also goes into a lot of like very scientific solutions like pumping up water from underneath glaciers in order to stop glaciers from sliding and like slow the rate of melt and all these other kind of like very much like technical here's a thing that we can do that will reduce the effect of this specific kind of climate change. It's really a very good book. And it's apparently was Barack Obama's favorite book of the year, which considering the degree to which it talks about murdering politicians and business leaders is interesting to me. I think he was maybe more paying attention to the carbon coin stuff than the shooting oil industry executives in

their face while they're sleeping well he was also a fan of parasite so wompty do he may just have been told this is a book you should say you like but it is it is a very good book it is really worth reading um and it's it's it is a work of science fiction but honestly it's like it's also it's well again kim really understands his stuff from a technical level but honestly, it's like, it's also, it's well, again, Kim really understands his stuff from a technical level. So I think it's pretty unimpeachable from that point of view. There are some kind of sociological areas where I don't think the book, I think there's some shit missing, particularly as regards the problems authoritarianism is going to cause in reaching for these solutions. But I think it's still really, really valuable.

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as part of my Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Chris, your turn. I've been reading a few things um i'm reading wo chuang which is a theoretical journal about china that writes a lot of very very good stuff they have probably the best account i've ever seen of just what was going on during the socialist period and then also the sort of transition to capitalism that's those capitalism those are issues one and two

and they just published an issue about basically how the pandemic response happens in China and it's absolutely fascinating it's also about sort of, is this something I've talked about a lot of their stuff on the show sort of theoretically or directly but like you know one of their big things is about

how in a lot of ways the pandemic reveals the sort of weakness of the but like you know one of their big things is about how in a lot of ways the pandemic reveals the sort of weakness of the chinese state in in a way that you know is you don't see really because both you know both the chinese state and the sort of like american media have this vested interest in showing like china as this sort of like all powerful authoritarian police state or whatever like the mirror image of it is like this isn't but you know what what you really see is that like this the state has a very strong ability to intervene in like one province at a time and they can you know when when they focus when they focus all the sort of administrative power on like one area right they're extremely effective they can't really do it in you know multiple years at the same time and

this means that you're dealing with all these sort of regional government stuff and it's it's very interesting the the other thing that i have well okay so do do we want to talk like a little bit about dawn of everything or do you want to save that for just like yeah i i'm down to talk about that at any point yeah okay yeah that's definitely on my list that is a long one that's less of a read i think most people are going to be less of a read in one sweep than like maybe for over the course of the year like gradually yeah yeah it's very very dense and very long but very readable like not to say that it's like dense in the uh i gotta like slog through this textbook it's extremely readable it's just like there's a lot in there, and you're going to want to pause and think

about shit. Yeah, so The Dawn of Everything is the last book David Graeber ever wrote, and it's... David Wengro also... They wrote it together, and it's this... basically an attempt to reassemble

I guess, early human history. And, but the, the, the thing that they're doing that that's, that's really unique is that, so they,

they're, uh, David Wenger is, is, uh, uh, archaeologist, David Graeber is an anthropologist and they're,

they're going, you know, so they spent a whole bunch of time going through the sort of early archaeological records. And what they find basically is that none of the things that you see make any sense at all unless you're willing to unless you're willing to accept that people you know 20 30 50 000 years ago and then even you know people like four or five thousand years ago were as smart as we are and have the have the capacity to recreate and redesign their own political arrangements self-consciously which is something that doesn't sound that weird except everyone assumes that they can't and that you know everyone that's you know one of the other

things they're really sort of heavily doing here is trying to break this idea that, you know, human society sort of evolves in this linear progression. You know, you start out with like these small hunter-gatherer bands and they get more complex, quote-unquote. And eventually they develop farming, farming developed the state. And the answer is just, you know, when you look through the actual archaeological record, none of this is true. answer is just you know when you look through the actual archaeological record none of this is true you have you know they have a lot of very interesting sort of historical examples of this looking at like what look like incredibly democratic and egalitarian cities and then you know on the outskirts of those cities you have the emergence of the states among of things that look like states among barbarian groups and they have and what i think is maybe the most interesting

part of it is that they're they're very concerned with the question of human freedom but freedom in a way that like we don't like freedom on a level fundamental enough that like we can barely imagine it so they have these things called the three freedoms which is one of them is so the first one is the freedom to just move, to leave and to – it's the freedom to be in a place and then leave and know that you will be cared for when you get to wherever you're going. Yeah, these kind of networks that were set up so that people could travel that have – like the descendant of those ideas is sort of the way – if you've ever spent time in the Middle East, not in like hotels and shit. If you've ever spent time in the Middle East, not in like hotels and shit, like it's that same idea, that kind of deeper than religious belief about the importance of – that has gotten added to like Islam and to a number that existed to enable kind of a sort of cross-cultural contract and contact and like recreational travel in a way that i think is would be deeply surprising to people who just sort of assumed everyone before a certain age died within five miles of their house or was yeah you know yeah part of a band of wandering hunters yeah and it's

interesting in that like like yeah like we we in a lot of ways travel less than early people did because you know people would just leave and people you know people just didn't like their families and so they'd walk like 500 miles and they'd come to a place and they'd be accepted and yeah yeah and you know like the second one i think the one that i is the the one we have the least capacity i think to understand which is just the ability to disobey orders to just like anyone tells you do something you could just tell them no at any time and it's not only can you just tell them no like the social expectation is that you is that you don't act is that it's it's it's not just that you have the ability to do it it's that someone giving you

an order is treated as weird and this is a thing that you know like this this is a thing this is a freedom that used to exist and no longer does and was sort of destroyed in various ways along with sort of the third freedom they talk about which is about how people have the right to sort of just shift and recreate their social political arrangements and yeah and people used to do this sort of i mean people you know a lot of the what their early part of the book is about is about how societies used there's a lot of societies that would you know flip seasonally right so what like one half of the year you have this just like absolute dictatorship the other half of the year it's like well this looks like a hippie commune and you know the fact that we do not like the fact that like we we just don't like it cannot conceive of completely shifting

our political arrangements like that is it's also there's this fascinating discussion of like the the fact that and this is kind of counter to what i i i had always kind of thought that like once as a group groups of people when they when they made the decision to like move to agriculture and like set founded cities, that it was kind of a one-way street, you know? You just keep going along that road. And there's actually multiple examples of people's – like this is what happened to the British Isles, or at least in what is currently Great Britain. People's like developing agriculture, settling down, and then being like, oh, you know what?

Fuck this. And like going back. Like that sort of shit happened all the time. And one of the things that's really kind of optimistic about the vision of the sweep of human history and the dawn of everything is the idea that like, no, we don't have to keep – like it's not inevitable that we just keep doing more of what we're doing now. All throughout history, large groups of people have been like, it's time to – let's do something else. Let's make a radical change. It happens. And it's probably more normal to do that than have is the fact that we only really have about 10,000 years of even vaguely reliable data or vaguely

comprehensive data on human history. But people have been around for tens of thousands of years longer than that. And for most of it, we've been a lot more experimental than we are now. And it's always possible for people to try different things in a way that maybe seems impossible to us now, but necessarily won't for our kids. Oh, yeah, the last thing I would tell people to listen to if they're looking for a fictional optimistic thing is Cory Doctorow's Walk Away.

Yes. Give it a read. And if you're looking for like a a like a beautiful like not to get your head out of the one of the things i'm really passionate about is plants and i have this beautiful book called the planopedia and it's really helpful for caring for your house plants and it's just like aesthetically just so the photographs are beautiful and it's one of my favorite things to give friends and family check that one out as well another another plant book that i just got for somebody that i really like i think it's called

wicked plants it's about uh all the poisonous plants that you can get um and the ones all the like the poison plants you can cultivate in your own garden and that's been a lovely read um and i do hope to set up a decent poison garden here in the spring. So I would love that for you. Yeah, me too. It's going to be great. Well, let's get to another question. Do you guys want like a fluff question or like a real question?

Let's do a fluff one and we can start the next episode with a real, real juicy. I'd love to get fluffed. Fluff me, daddy. All right. Okay. That's a little gift to all of you at home. Fucking hated that. Jesus Christ.

Oh, my God. On the topic of hobbies, so Garrison likes poisonous plants. I like non-poisonous plants. What hobbies are you into that we may not know about? what hobbies are you into that we may not know about um i guess i can only say one thing here really well i guess i don't know yeah you should be really careful about how you answer this one garrett i know what your hobbies are let's have everyone else go first um I just got into 3D printing. I'm currently trying to figure out how to get ABS to adhere properly.

Yeah, that was the problem I had with my printer. I would get a decent way through the first part of the print, and then part of it would curl off, so then it wouldn't print the next layer on correctly, and then it messes up the print. And I was between mental health stuff and that at the time i was setting up my printer this is when i just gave up because it was too much so i'll be excited to see how you get past this hurdle well i've i've got a glass bed coming in so i'm gonna i have one too yeah and i've got the enclosure one of the issues i'm

having is just that i'm having a heating issue with the bed. It won't heat up. It stops before it gets to 110, which is what it should be able to go up that high. But it's just. Yeah. Can you manually heat it up hotter? It doesn't seem to matter. It doesn't seem to matter if I if I set it like I can't.

Obviously, like you can you can set it up to heat, but it just keeps I keep getting that like loud error beep. Obviously, you can set it up to heat, but I keep getting that loud error beep. So this is going to be a process of jiggering to figure it out. But it's pretty fun. Yeah, I have a similar problem with my setup right now that I've been trying to troubleshoot for half a year. I can manually control the heat bed, and it does get that hot. But still, I think it may just be a leveling issue i may need to like clean the bed i should also just talk to someone who has done more 3d printing than me um but yeah yeah but it's it's it's fun i i enjoy it it's very it's radically different from the stuff that i know like do for a living, which is always my favorite thing for a task to engage in

in order to be relaxing because it's not at all like reading and writing. No, it's very different. It's very different. So, so far, I'm enjoying it. And I printed the thing I need to do to make the bio lab for the Four Thieves stuff. If you want to check out our episode with

michael from the four thieves vinegar collective i've 3d printed that part so i'm ready to get the other parts and put that thing together um i'm just trying to figure out how to print other stuff with better plastics and and whatnot but yeah it's it's fun so far i'm i'm enjoying it a lot um maybe i'll get bored. Maybe I'll wind up spending way too much money on different 3D printers, like the ones that lift the goo out of the... The resin printers are so... Are so cool. They're so...

They're much... This is what Corey Docter was talking about. They are much better at the filament printers in a lot of ways, but a lot of the stuff, a lot of the really useful machines that you can make with 3D printers require you to use filament right now. But the resin ones are so much more elegant.

They're beautiful. I also am really interested in the idea of printing wood, which I did not realize until recently you could do, but is absolutely possible with certain kinds of printers. Nice. And that seems pretty dope. So I don't know. We'll see how maybe I'll be tired of it in a month because my mental health will take

a dive. But so far, I'm pretty excited. Cool. Chris. What do I do? Well, OK, so before the pandemic, I was getting into rock climbing. But unfortunately, I like rock climbing. I'm not like.

Oh, it's like the best thing you can do for your body. It's a lot of fun. But unfortunately, I mean, it's not like the worst pandemic thing you could possibly do. But like, it's no. Yeah. Yeah. So if you get up high enough on the rocks kovat can't get up there it's like the opposite of a bear it's really bad at climbing

yeah so i guess the other what do i even do is okay so my other thing okay so so deep like deep twitter lore people will probably know this about me but i am i have been for a very very long time like an inveterate fan of competitive starcraft 2 okay i am awful at it like i i am terrible at that game but i i have watched so much like starcraft 2 like i i starcraft 2 has become enough of my life that like like the game was part of my radicalization process. Like, okay, yeah, I wake up extremely early or stay up extremely late and watch Korean Starcraft 2 and non-Korean Starcraft 2.

And yeah, it's a good time. It's I, my favorite thing about Starcraft in general is thinking about the fact that Blizzard was initially trying to make a Warhammer 40,000 video game. Yeah. And Games Workshop was, as always, too paranoid of their IP to let it happen and thus lost how many? God knows how many. They would be worth more money than most countries. Like they would have been printing an impossible amount of money.

amount of money like Andy Chambers would have been able to buy a mountain of cocaine to live inside but but no instead we got all of the infrastructure of modern esports which seems fine like it's whatever I don't care but it is very funny to me that they were like nah this doesn't seem like a good financial decision for Games Workshop this Starcraft thing that's the kind of thing where it's like if they made that much money would they all just retire

like would they just quit well I mean it's a publicly traded company like the stock the shareholders would have made a fortune and the but yeah I i don't know it's very it's very funny that they didn't think that was going to be worth it let's see in terms of hobbies people may not know i do really like cooking i taught cooking classes uh for a long time um that's been the main cook in my family since i was a very little kid

so i definitely definitely enjoy that. I did go to film school for a few years. I want to get back into making short video projects. I've been writing some random kind of new weird genre-esque stuff that I would love to rent a studio space and actually shoot some silly things in the next year and throw them up online just for kind of my own fun. And then I also been still doing

random occultism stuff. That's kind of how I fill my time. Yeah. It's fun. Yeah. I think that's an answer. That is an answer. We did it. That's an answer and I think that's an answer. That is an answer. We did it. That's an answer.

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