It Could Happen Here - Q&A Part 2

Episode Date: January 5, 2022

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was once again in the hospital getting all of the feces sucked out of his intestines. Yeah, he just did it last night. I can't believe it. They put him back in. He's back in the hospital getting all of the feces sucked out of his intestines. Just yet last night, they put him back in. He's back in the hospital! Jair Bolsonaro, the most consistently dying man in the world. The sickest man in history.

You know what this means? Literally full of shit. Again. You know what this means? You know what this means? In approximately three to four weeks steven crowder is going to get some horrible illness and if we sent to the hospital as well god willing this cycle this is the only like this is the cycle of time my hope for both of them is that they find out that each has an obscure disease that can only be cured by piping shit

from the other end of them and so they just hook them up via a tube and they're just sucking poop out of each of them and putting it into the other person that would be very funny hot all right uh what's our first question uh our first question so this was specifically addressed to chris so chris you can answer first but i think this is a question for for everyone really what is your favorite piece of history that you haven't been able to talk about yet on the show that isn't deserving of a whole episode? Oh, favorite piece of history. I mean, we ain't talked about the Zapatistas yet because I don't yet feel comfortable with my level of knowledge there. But it's definitely history that's extremely

relevant to the kind of shit we talk about on the show have i have i talked about the the the water and gas wars in bolivia on the show no no i don't think we've talked about that at all either yeah i mean i thought i mean that that probably is deserving of its own episode but like absolutely yeah a bunch of people just literally literally blocking every road in an entire country and starving out their ruling class because they can't import food into the city because they've blocked every single road. Extremely cool. I guess in terms of really short, not deserving of its own episode.

I don't know either because I've i've been able to elongate all my fun periods into episodes yeah i don't know that there's anything we wouldn't cover there's certainly things we haven't covered yet for a variety of reasons often just like i don't feel like we've had the time to do a lot of work there's a lot of work yeah it's like why why haven't why haven't we done a mao episodes like do you know how much shit that motherfucker got up to in his life? I have been mentally, psychologically preparing myself to start working on Mao. This is a... That dude put in some work.

It's the mango cults. It's definitely the mango cults. Did you know about this? No, the mango cults? Yeah, okay. So Mao got like... i forget who it was i i want to say it was the prime minister of pakistan some some like dignitary like gave him a man this is this is like this is the beginning of the cultural revolution somebody

gives him a mango and he like hands this mango off to like a red you give a mao a mango and like they said like like this this turns into like a cult like people like they they take this mango they like preserve it it's like they have like they have like a shrine to the mango and like there's this christ this whole cult apparatus like builds up around just people getting mangoes as like tokens of mao's favor is this is like it's this massive thing said this this this like spreads like wildfires like people are doing this in like the far western reaches of china where like like in in in places where like there's like like one of the things cultural like there are places in china where like civil wars break out and it takes people

like a week to like send representatives like across china to go like talk to the central committee to argue their case and like even in those, they have mango cults. It is wild. The Cultural Revolution is a time. It is... I know what I'm getting everyone for Christmas this year. I love mangoes. They're my favorite fruit.

We'll see if the species survives this next summer. Oh, we will. Yeah. Things will just be horrible. They'll just be growing in Siberia. Mangoes sprouting from the corpses of fucking antelope.

That is beautiful. I can't think of anything. Next question. Okay. Speaking of history, I like this one. if you could fight anyone in history wait for it and lose who would you fight and why who would i fight and lose and lose like you'd still get like a few good hits in or something but you'd lose david bowie because it would be hot next question i guess other other people could answer i guess

no i think that's a good answer that's the perfect answer yeah i would happily be hit by david bowie so sure why not there uh yeah and and i i know that david bowie really loved to hit teenagers i would be totally hitting in the other sense garrison no i would be fine with anything teenagers i would be totally hitting in the other sense garrison no i would be fine with anything i don't care when it comes to bowie wow that's problematic i love that sure i i problematic uh-huh we got a few questions about the ethics of leaving the united states as things get worse oh okay that's a good one yeah and this is something that i know we've got that you've got that get out of america free card and i see that's the thing is that like i already canadians i already have my canadian passport so that is something that i can do at

any time and that's something that i probably will do at some point because one I can see myself in my 30s and 40s living in Canada will be a lot easier in a lot of ways in terms of like how much money it'll cost for me to live and pay certain things like living in Canada at a certain point will just make a lot more sense for me so yeah I probably will move up um and I also know that getting past Canadian border patrol not that hard in terms of other people wanting to go legally or illegally. It is actually pretty easy to get up there. If you want to do it legally,

that's definitely a lot more work, but also not impossible. Yeah, I think, I mean, like, it's important to know that, like, moving to somewhere else is not escaping the effects because the effects are going to reach everywhere but it can have a lot of advantages um especially if you've got like kids yes i say moving up is or moving away from the states is a decent thing for a lot of people i don't feel the

need to stay and fight for something that i don't really care about much in the first place anyway um so sure do what makes you happy in the time that you have alive i feel like that's a that's as as ethical as you need to get yeah i don't think anyone has a responsibility to like stay and uh fight to the death uh in in a collapsing country um as as a general rule i'm very uh sympathetic towards refugees and that's kind of what you would be if you're talking about fleeing the united states because you're it's in the process of falling apart and things are you suspect a lot about to get a lot more violent especially if you have again like a family kids um i i had options to do that that i've i've chosen at this point not to um not to pursue um but uh i get why people would and as a general rule like i spent i spent once when i was um in uh in bosnia and serbia Serbia talking to survivors of the genocide there in the 90s.

I took a train ride from Sarajevo to like a little town near Srebrenica. And during the train ride, I wound up like hanging out with this dude who had been born and raised in yugoslavia and had been living in canada since the civil war and he like very through in his kind of broken english explained like yeah when the war broke out all of my friends all of these other young guys i knew were like well you know we're gonna fight we're gonna fight and i said no no no no no i went to canada and this is the first time i've been back and And that was the smart thing to do. So I'm not, I mean, if you can get the, if you can get out and find a place that's safer, as Garrison said, like there's, there's nothing I think that inherently behooves you to spend your limited time on this planet struggling. And especially if you've got a family,

like doing what you can to put them in a safer position is great. That said, none of it's a permanent or even necessarily a long term solution. Like the idea of moving to Canada has a lot of appeal. But like, if you think that Canada is going to keep being what would a lot of Americans see it as as the United States collapses into like fascism? I don't know how realistic a proposition that really is. And it's the same for a lot of places, like all of these problems are global problems and moving geographically unless you're wealthy enough to move to like some fortified compound protected by contractors in a place that is actually insulated from climate change to a significant extent is not the does not bring the degree of security you might expect. I do think it is, generally speaking, a noble and positive thing to stay and try to make things better where you are. But I think every single person, whether they admit it or not, would leave at a certain point if they possibly could. I don't think anyone

owes it to the world to die in a place that they hate just because that's where they were born. Welcome. I'm Danny Thrill. Won't you join me at the fire and dare enter Nocturnal Tales from the Shadows

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. Okay. What tool, besides bolt cutters, should we all own in a collapse situation? First of all, bolt cutters, that should not be your first picture for a tool. No, no. It should be an angle grinder with a diamond blade no even like water filtration that's gotten me out of a number of tight water filtration systems yeah there's a lot of starters like there's a lot of there's a lot of stuff

if not even if not water filtration you can get tablets or honestly like you can have a little hand pump filter and water purification tablets along with a little, you know, there's a number of things that are that should be in a go bag, a way to get some amount of of already clean water and a way to get more clean water, enough food to at least deal with three to five days. Some rope, a good knife, a multi-tool is even better in most situations. If you have, if you don't mind the weight, a belt knife and a multi-tool would be great or a multi-tool and a little hand axe, which depending on where you live might be more useful in splitting wood. A good fire starter, some amount of rubbing alcohol, which is always a handy thing to have on hand. Some amount of rubbing alcohol, which is always a handy thing to have on hand.

Either maps or, you know, batteries for an electronic device that might be able to act as a map. Yeah, that's all useful stuff. I do keep in the boot of my car generally an angle grinder. I have come into, especially living out in the middle of nowhere, a couple of situations like sometimes somebody has a health emergency and there is a fence in the way. And it has been something that is, and is, I think, going to be easier for most. Bolt cutters are good at what they do. They also require a lot of forearm and upper body strength that is not going to be as much of an option for people.

So angle grinder, not a bad thing to have in any sort of like, especially if you're planning a kit like, I want to keep shit in my car because the wildfires are coming, right? Well, you're probably going to want a battery-powered saw because depending on the capability, even if you have a very capable off-roading vehicle, everyone I know who does serious overlanding is like, well, you keep a fucking chainsaw in there

because sometimes you need to cut wood out of the way and you're just not going to get your car over it. So it really depends on what you're doing and like what the what the the the kind of potential threats you're worried about are. But yeah, I think the basics are way to get water, some amount of food, ability to start a fire. Something like a space blanket is useful. If you live in a place where it actually gets cold, you should have a space blanket and a wool blanket or a couple of wool blankets. Yeah, a couple of wool blankets.

Because those will retain heat much better. Wool keeps like 80% of its insulating capacity even when wet, and layering wool and survival survival blankets um can be a really effective way to keep yourself from dying in in in bad weather situations um that said uh depending on where you are there may be no realistic way to protect yourself in the like if you are in certain parts of the midwest at certain parts of the winter it may not matter so much like what blankets you have access to yeah if you're stranded in the wilderness and there's no like structures around you then yeah if it's negative 30 yeah there's only so much you can do there's

only so much yeah i i do love collecting uh lock bypass tools it's one of my favorite things is just to have these on practice using them um Something I got from when I went to the Earthverse gathering that worked out pretty well was a foldable solar panel that connects to USB that's enough to keep my phone alive always. So in terms of always wanting a map, this little foldable thing is enough to keep my phone able to have a map, assuming I have cell service. thing is enough to keep my phone able to have a map assuming i have cell service so i was skeptical of how much this thing could work um and it it it did a decent enough job it even kept it even kept like my ipad pro um uh powered as well so it yeah it's great it had a decent amount of uh square footage once you unroll it so that was very useful but yeah i mean i i i really like lock bypass stuff um it's one of

one of one of my other hobbies so there's you know a variety of tools in that type that it's nice to get like a decent collection of also like especially now but probably in general like have masks like just in gen i mean just in general like sure yeah have masks have lots of them make sure you can change them yeah have a gas mask if that's at all physically like respond like fiscally possible for you mira is the one i think garrison and i would both recommend to the to to 99. if you want like a very good gas mask a really good gas is wonderful again all of these kits there's the kit of like okay what is the what is what's necessary and then there's like all right if you have money or if you have time that you want to learn extra skills what are other things like lock picks if

you're just a random joe and you've never like don't throw lock picks in your kit if you've never done any lock pick shit they're not going to help you um but if that that is a skill that is worth picking up and that will make you like more resilient um yeah um oh and a 14.9 millimeter anti-material rifle um you're always going to need one of those they're at they they stay supersonic at up to three and a half miles um which is really useful so definitely definitely and definitely. And they're only, you probably aren't going to spend more than $25,000 getting one set up. So it's really, for the price of a fairly new Toyota Prius,

you could have an anti-material rifle that can pierce armored vehicles at several miles distance. And really, what is more pragmatic a survival tool than that? Ammo for it? It's only like $30 a round. That's just a moderately expensive meal per bullet, Christopher.

Do you think that corporations like Walmart or Amazon could become more militaristic? Yes. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I think I think absolutely. like Walmart or Amazon could become more militaristic as. Yes. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I think I think absolutely. The trend that worries me is Amazon's increasing collaborations with and deeper connections with like the FBI and other kind of law enforcement agencies, the degree to which Target has also like with the FBI and like with other agencies because they're they're anti shrink department and whatnot.

They're like they're the surveillance they've built to stop theft is so advanced. Yeah. They have one of the best crime labs in the whole United States. Yeah. Yeah. Organizations like Tiger Swan, which is a mercenary group that the Dakota Pipeline people, the DAPL folks like hired to crack down on the Standing Rock protests and have worked in other there's other organizations like that that were active during the BLM protests and kind of the I do think we're seeing a paramilitarization of a lot of these corporation, a lot of these corporations in order to protect their what they see as their financial interests.

And that that is that is proceeding rapidly. And it's not the thing that I'm not. I'm not most worried about them like having armed know, to deal with, quote unquote, the gun crime or whatever property crime that's raised. But the thing that I think is most concerning is the degree to which they are professionalizing a paramilitary surveillance apparatus. Amazon has done it to do stuff like crack down on union organizing and whatnot. So, yeah, I'm very concerned with that. I think that the dimension of it that's most frightening is not necessarily like the shadow run corporations buying armies, but rather corporations buying like intelligence agencies is kind of the thing that I think will actually be the biggest threat. thing that i think will actually be the biggest threat um because in a lot of cases generally speaking if i have to deal with an armed security guard or a cop uh that security guard is going to be less of a pain in the ass than the cop um not always but as a general rule i'm less worried about security guards than cops even armed ones i i think another thing is important to keep in mind is that yeah i mean it's like i don't i don't i really don't think there's a danger that

we're going to go back to like east india company style like people with mass armies because it's literally too expensive like you can't it's it's too expensive and the armies that exist already do that yeah yeah you don't need them but but i mean i think that the thing the thing that's like scary outside of the intelligence stuff which is terrifying but it's the stuff they do down like i guess you call it down the supply chain which is like you know like coca-cola murdering union organizers with paramilitaries right they they they tend to work through like you know like you know like corporations will back rebel groups right corporations will back uh like you know in columbia you see a lot of this if like you have these sort of like these i mean something about someone back by just directly by landholding

holding corporations some of them are backed by uh just individual large landholders but you get these like you know you you get basically these paramilitaries that are sort of the third wave after the army goes in and that stuff's very scary and we're probably we're probably going to see more of that and yeah but but but i think it's it's kind of important that there's there's an extent to which again you'll see them having their own mercenaries but a lot of the time it's there's some kind of thing when when when companies really need to kill someone, they tend to outsource that to another paramilitary organization that's not directly in their supply chain. It's not directly under their chain of command. So yeah, that's a good and fun time that will probably just get worse. That's a good and fun time that will probably just get worse.

Speaking of corporate fuckery or whatever. Are we going to get a Coca-Cola ad? I hope we do get a Coca-Cola ad because nothing soothes my quench like a cherry vanilla Coca-Cola. Nothing soothes your quench? Did you just say that, Garrison? That's what I said. Those are words that came out of my mouth. Welcome.

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Take a trip and experience the horrors that have haunted Latin America since the beginning of time. Listen to Nocturnal Tales from the Shadows as part of my Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We're back. Okay, Robert, somebody had a question about an article you wrote back when you worked at Crack about a woman who was hiding from their family.

The end of the article yeah you mentioned that you haven't heard from her in a couple weeks leading up to yeah and uh they want to know if you've ever heard from her again so yeah that's a bummer the the pseudonym i'm not going to use her real name in this but the pseudonym i used for her in the article was azameh she was a woman who lived in um the eu and and was under threat of honor killing from her family who were from Pakistan in origin because she was an atheist, was not a religious hardliner and didn't want to be. And for years she had kind of hidden that from her family, like she'd moved out on her own, but she'd hidden the fact that like she had a boyfriend. She'd hidden the fact that she'd like play dungeon, all of stuff like she played dnd and was like scared that like that was like her dad would literally fucking kill her and this is a thing that happens this is a thing that

happens in the united states in the eu um it's a problem with like fundamentalist um islam and that's not the only religion there's honor killings as a result on but that was um her specific situation one of the things she was frightened about is her family would go back to pak regularly. And she was concerned she wanted to go because it was her only way to see her grandparents. But she was also concerned that if her parents found out when they went back, they would basically imprison her somewhere where she would not be able to get out and get back to her home and she would be forced to be married off or something. So she was working with an organization in the country, in the EU, where she lived that helped people extricate themselves. And kind of one of the last things she told me is that, well, the thing she was looking at doing because she was so worried about her dad was a total break, was like one day with the help of

this organization, she would just be gone and in another part of the EU and would have a complete break from her life and would completely stop living as the identity she had had her entire life. And I never heard from her again after that, after like three or four different interview sessions. And I still have not. And my hope is that she did the thing she said she was going to do. And she just completely burned that email and every other way people had of getting in touch with her. Um, and she's doing great now, but I really have no idea. Um,

I have absolutely no idea what happened to her. Oh, uh, uh, so we would, the people want an update on the quest for eel horse. Uh, still no,

still no horse still have not found an entire horse carcass. Um, but, but one day it'll happen You know It'll happen It's gonna be good Garrison That gator that I shoved a turkey or a duck inside and a turkey next to was pretty good

It was great after I took it out of the pit as you were wrestling people screaming. Well, that's the only way to properly cook it the right amount of time is to get drunk enough that people have to fight you to remove it from the fire garrison. That's how cooking works. I don't know if you've done much of it in your life.

You'll understand one day. This is a question that I find interesting because I feel like it really misunderstands, not to insult the person asking it, but that's not what I'm trying to do. Which question? The question is, what population can the post-capitalist world

sustain and thrive on with our ideas and concepts? Eight billion, like we currently have, six billion, two billion billion less than a billion like how many people are you willing to lose to achieve sustainability because i i forget community and are optimistic with proper technology and eco-sustainability techniques we can maintain a population close to what we have now and yeah i feel like just the framing of this question kind of approaches our current problems and the solutions we have in a weird way, because I don't think

we're not trying to reach a peak population. We're trying to make sure the people that we have have enough stuff to live well, and we have that right now. We overproduce everything. We make about one and a half times as much food as we need to to feed

everybody, yet there are billions and millions of people who go hungry so it's not a so like it's approaching this question allocation issue yeah so approaching this question in terms of like how could the post-capitalist world thrive on our ideas and like i i we're not trying to like reach a certain population number. I think going it from that way is kind of a little silly because I feel like it should be the opposite. Yeah, I don't know why – I don't think we need to start with population and then go down. The point is look what we have. Here's the people.

Let's distribute this like a network instead of a top-down kind of system yeah yeah i i think that one of the things you have to if you're taught if you're trying to talk about social ecology one of the things you have to resist um is is this idea that like their overpopulation is any part of the problem it is not um not right now assumption is a problem um but there's plenty of resources the problem is again one of allocation. And if you were to actually develop a much more equitable society where people were getting enough, one of the things that we have seen demographically all over the world when the level of kind of when the sort of resources available per capita in a population increases is people have less kids.

And and like, I think that, yeah, it's certainly good to say that, like, in a world that is more equitable, the human population will naturally level off and decrease somewhat. But that the thing that's not the same as saying that, like, we need to decrease the population, we need to increase equity and make sure that people have access to decrease the population we need to increase um equity um and and make sure that people have access to the resources that they need um and also that people who are massively over consuming aren't allowed to do that anymore you know yeah that will solve the problems and scale back all of the resources being put towards useless growth and predicting towards better distribution thus actually i mean like the questioner used the term, like, post-capitalist.

I don't think we're going to get to a post-capitalist world, ever. Like, at least not when I'm alive. I don't think, like, a world? No. Will there be post-capitalist areas? Probably. But we're never going to get out there. There's never going to be a post-capitalist world.

I don't think that. I also think it's entirely possible that we will reach points that people in the time will not necessarily consider post-capitalist because it will be the same states and a lot of the same institutions and organizations that were there as a kid. But people who were looking at it from a perspective today might consider post-capitalist because that's generally how change happens. Yeah, you're right like how democracy increased in in the uk but they still had like a king it's like when did they they're not they never really reached post-monarchy but it's also not the same system that they were run by in like 1400 you know it's wildly different and there's much more representation for more people but it's that is not you know that there's also you also have your your soviet unions and and your killing of czars, which is fine, and I like killing czars.

But change happens in a variety of ways, and change can be revolutionary in its effect without being a clear break. Yeah, I'm trying to think of how how we're talking about like the capitalist world thriving like i don't i don't view eight billion people thriving right now even with that like a lot of they're not like it's not like it's that's not what's happening right now and we need to change the way like distribution of resources works drastically and doing that will make everyone's lives a whole lot better and it will also maybe limit some of the endless growth and those things aren't opposites um and i just i don't know how like we can save those things but the path to getting there is certainly uh a lot more ambiguous yeah and i i think that that's I think one of the ways in

which the left goes wrong often is kind of looking at things that have been tried before and didn't didn't didn't do the trick and saying, like, well, what we need is we need us another Bolshevik revolution. You know, we need to bring us back that, you know, hammer and sickle. And it's like, well, you know, they gave it the old college try and they did not win. And you can be angry at that or whatever, or you can be like, OK, it's the same. And hey, it's every tendency. I can look at the fucking mock Noah's and be like, well, that was based as hell. And you know what? It didn't do the fucking trick. trick. So I think there's a degree of humility that needs to be had in terms of like, what actual what actual change that makes a more livable world will look like in the way in which that's one of the reasons I did enjoy Kim Stanley Robinson's Ministry of the Future is a lot of it is about the end of capitalism in a way that is not it's it's it. it doesn't look like a lot of ends of capitalism have kind of been posited by. There's a lot of strong arming bankers into like forcing high level economic changes that

put ends to like really extractive systems and whatnot. And it's interesting. It was kind of an imagining of how the transition could begin um in a way that that isn't commonly talked about um at least on the left and i i thought it was valuable for that and i i think people should be i think there's i i think that um um people can be more creative in in how they envision the way that might look than they they often are yeah and i feel like this question actually relates to stuff like dual power really well, because our goal as individuals is not feeding 8 billion people. Our goal is to get a garden

enough so that we can feed most of our friends off of stuff that we grew for the summer, right? That's what our goal is, is to build it from that way instead of saying like how how can we feed new york in a climate sustainable way that is a very different question than being like if we want to integrate solar punk and like eco-sustainability stuff into our lives now because if we don't do it no one really else is really going to let's start with the people you actually already have connections with because a lot of it is is about building like horizontal connections as opposed to defaulting to this top-down system of who has what who needs what and this is when we when i we venture when we dare to venture into the subreddit one of the

things i see people like uh critiquing a lot is like, well, you know, they keep talking about like all of these little like home gardening and like canning and kind of these community level solutions, but that's not going to deal with like this massive systemic problem. It's like, oh, it's not all about that. There's one of the methods in which you can ensure change is keeping you and yours alive and committed on change. And part of that is hyper local solutions that also involve increasing your own idea of your autonomy and your own and your own understanding of things like the food cycle, which have an impact on what you like vote for and what you support pushing for on like a societal level, the things that you come to better understand in your daily life. And and so getting involved in all of these things, guerrilla gardening and

whatnot has an impact on that. Although I do think people underestimate like the largest crop by acreage in the United States by a long shot is fucking lawns and replacing lawns with either zero scaping just to increase carbon capture and reduce water usage or with some sort of food growth doing a mix of that for the vast majority of like lawn area in the united states actually would be a significant thing on a global level recommend everyone the book uh food not lawns yeah there's it's that that would not be a meaningless change and it is something that people can have an impact on because it is the kind of thing that if it were to get popular enough, there's a Pokemon point, you know, where it where it becomes a trend. And like Pokemon, if it gets popular enough, it will never die.

That's what we say about all of our stuff on our show. If it becomes like Pokemon point or the NFT point if that's, but I don't think NFT is. No, I don't think NFT is. Pokemon is so much better than any NFT. Although the day that this drops, they will probably announce the Pokemon NFT game, which will be the final coffin in the biosphere.

All of my Pokemons are gone. I've been hacked. All my apes gone. That was my favorite post of the holiday season. Oh, Robert, do you want to give an update on After the Revolution? That was asked a couple times. Yeah, After the Revolution sequel. I'm three chapters in.

Oh, wow. So it'll be done hopefully some point this year. Garrison has a question on that. Are you going to pay someone else to code the e-book? No, no, no. We pay you, Garrison. Why would I do that? I don't want to code this e-book.

I have to work on The Daily Show now. I cannot code this fucking e-book. We all have things to do we don't want to do. Oh, my gosh. I'm so sorry, Garrison. I'm so sorry. Weison. I'm so sorry. We'll have you code some other people's books just to get the practice done. No, no.

Stop. No more coding books. I will not allow it. There are experts that can do this a lot prettier than I can. Garrison, I consider you an expert now. Oh, no. In EPUB coding. I'll put that on expert now. Oh, no. In EPUB coding. I'll put that on my resume.

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Yeah, and we're doing a Behind the Bastards live stream digital show with Prop on. That doesn't sound right. That doesn't sound like something I'd agree to do. This bit is so not funny every single time. It's not a bit. I'm just dreading it. I'm dreading it too, but we're doing it.

In February. February 17th. Christ. MomentHouse.com slash BehindTheBastards. Are tickets still available? They are. MomentHouse.com slash BehindTheBastards. Can I buy them and scalpel them to the fans? I can't tell you what to do. Get in there.

False scarcity is the key. Oh gosh. Well, do that if you have disposable income and want to watch Robert talk. Yeah, yeah. Even more than we already do. I guarantee you it'll be worth it. Well, that's the episode.

Thank you for listening. I hope everyone has a better 2022. That would be nice. I hope everyone has an identical 2022 down to the day and until in may you realize that you're actually in like a groundhog day style loop um and then you achieve nirvana if i'm remembering how the movie groundhog day went properly sure i uh yeah that sounds that sounds great have a good year make some changes uh make connections with people around you they're there you just you just define them talk to people who look like they have cool politics or start doing cool things you know and start and start doing

cool things yeah we should address one last thing which is the question people ask that gets asked a lot but we probably can't address enough which is, there's no one around me doing any of this mutual aid stuff. There's nobody around me engaging any of the stuff that I want to get. How do I get organized and get involved? Number one, there are people around you doing that kind of shit. It may just be hard to find because of where you are. but if you start doing shit if you like the the simplest thing i can say is try and figure out where there's a need and start filling it um often you will start meeting other people who are engaged in adjacent projects or even the same thing um and that's a way to get into it uh if

you are trying to start uh if you actually get so far as to start serving a need in your area in a mutual aid capacity and trying to start organizing and whatnot and you're doing shit, feel free to hit us up on email. Reach out. We are happy to signal boost and signpost people who have actually started doing shit. It's one of those things. Please don't come to us. I think this might be a cool idea. But if you start doing shit and you can provide some evidence that you're you're doing something in your community that's not currently being done, that is a mutual aid type thing or even even a charitable type thing, if it's if you're doing it, we will try to help signal boost

and can be very useful in that capacity so so it's not easy necessarily especially depending on where you live but like you do it's always possible to find a need and fill it you know yeah i found that uh a uh definitely was easier before the pandemic but a way that i've met people that are a little bit more uh open-minded to the same things that i'm open-minded to is going to like local comedy shows or things things of that comedy shows i'm guessing like farmer's markets farmers you know wherever kind of weird not not in the normal culture people will go to, you'll probably find someone there with radical politics. Yeah, exactly.

All those types of countercultural, subcultural spaces, you'll probably find someone there who's wearing a back patch that is something smashed to something. You're not going to find them by staying in your house and scrolling on Twitter. I mean, they're probably not. You have to kind of go into the real world. As scary as the meat space may be. Yeah.

And I would say another thing to keep in mind if you are in kind of a more conservative area. And even if you do identify as an anarchist, you don't have to frame it that way. You can always call yourself a libertarian municipalist. And none of the people who might be offended by anarchist will listen past libertarian and they'll decide you're fine. And that's a great way to start that. It means the same thing, more or less. I mean, there's other kinds of anarchists who are but like most people who say they're anarchists if you were to call them libertarian

municipalists would be like alright whatever yeah not me don't call me that but I call Chris that constantly that's that's it we'll be back tomorrow or maybe not I don't know probably tomorrow

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