It Could Happen Here - Roundtable on Roe v Wade & the Future of Political Action

Episode Date: May 10, 2022

The team is joined by Shereen and Kieryn to discuss the leaked Supreme Court ruling on Roe v. Wade.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And creator of our website that I love. Yee. I'm so glad. I'm so glad you like it. Love. Yeah, and we are gathered here today to talk about something that sucks, which is the leaked draft of Samuel Alito's decision to overturn Roe v. Wade. Now, we're all mostly angry that somebody dared to leak a draft

and upset the sanctity of the Supreme Court's deliberation process, right? Right, that's definitely the thing that's been keeping me awake at night. Yeah. Yeah. A bunch of elderly ghouls who refuse to give up their grip on power can't deliberate in privacy. What does this world come to? Megan Kelly, is that you?

Yes. It's been me all along. How can I trust the Supreme Court if not everything happens in secret all of the time, always? if not everything happens in secret all of the time, always. My, on a serious note, I would like to start this by stating my primary attitude towards the Supreme Court is that more stairways should be greased.

Anyway, that's my contribution. We have been big proponents of horse lube for years. Years. Years. and this stance continues um i think horse lube could solve a lot of problems it could so many so i i do think it is especially gross that like there's the whole side of media people who are making the story out that oh no look at this leak that is the worst thing to happen in human history i can't believe this got leaked and that is like a pretty dominant uh narrative going on for like over half the country even even like even on like cnn that was like the first thing it's pretty funny too because like the original road decision also got leaked

like i don't even have the text but like the way it was the way the verdict was gonna go also got leaked it's like okay it's like this is actually consistent so why are we angry about this it's clearly like i i get why the republicans are doing it right because it's a way number one that they can pretend to be victims there's a lot of people comparing it to like the january 6th and shit yeah that's um yeah sorry it's the comparison to be made there is not that the leak happened no that's and like should it's like it leaked yeah okay how about the fact that the information in said leak is dangerous and is going to cause a bunch of people to die also there should be more leaks the government things all the time that's actually yeah i could sign that yeah yeah yeah the the the

government should not be allowed to keep secrets like i'm sorry okay you get to privacy like no no not only like we don't see there apparently they're literally they're called civil servants and they're doing everything in secret like we're supposed to know I mean in the perfect world they're spying on us we have no

privacy yeah yeah exactly like whatever it's only fair there's also like get over yourselves I mean I guess I maybe we'll eventually find out who did it

but like it's also we don't have to assume that it was a progressive that did it for example like I think the conservatives have even more of a motive to release it because they're, like, mobilizing their people to, like, agree and be like, yes! Yeah, do we want to do the weird Supreme Court inside baseball shit?

Yes. Like, okay, so the weird inside baseball shit is, so this is a draft decision, right? This decision, like, hasn't, this is not the law of the land yet. And the thing with draft decisions is that they change. And the thing that's happening here is there's this weird split. There's like a 3-2-2 split on, like, what actually, is it 3-2? Yeah, that makes up seven, right? On, like, what actually, because, so the the the five conservative justices like don't like roe but there's i mean particularly with like roberts there's a there's

kind of a split on like how far they want to take it and so part of what could be going on here is like so this the version of of decision that got leaked is like this is basically the most extreme thing they could possibly do uh with a lot of wide-ranging impacts on how we view personal rights uh yeah 2022 i mean it's it's you know i think we can talk about it later yeah and like this is you know this is the thing like like the the the the nerd like supreme court watchers like didn't think that like this would be the thing right they didn't think they would just straight up overturn roe they thought they would chip at it a little bit first or like go after casey but like no no they're just they're just straight up going after roe and part of what could be the strategy here is like a lot of okay so the liberals on the

supreme court like have been feckless and powerless for an enormous amount of time and a lot of what they spend their time doing is trying to like get one or two sentences changed to be slightly less bad and this could be an attempt to get the other conservative justices to like force them to rally around uh alito's like unbelievably hard and the other thing that's worth noting about this is that like alito alito is like i don't. I mean Kavanaugh – okay. So for a very long time, Alito was like broadly considered by the legal community to be the worst legal mind in the Supreme Court. even by this like you know and this this has changed with emmy coven barrett and cavanaugh to some extent but like this is not this is not a guy this is not like a subtle like a subtle legal mind this is like this is like a bull in a china shop who you throw out when you need to just like hit something with a hammer right and so you know like yeah part part of what the strategy seems to

be is to try to try to coerce the other justices who are like like like roberts who is like slightly less fanatical than alito is and try to get them to rally around this like incredibly maximalist hard-lined not only going after roe but going after like a whole bunch of other stuff that we will get to in a second yeah so that that's the that's the sort of supreme court inside baseball shit that is possibly part of what's going on with the leak but yeah i mean to be honest i think that's whatever's going on in the leak the the primary topics of interest to most people are going to be number one the degree to which the right's trying to use this to distract from what they're actually doing yeah uh and more to the point the trying to use this to distract from what they're actually doing. Yeah.

And more to the point, the concerted – like this is – what we're actually dealing with here is like the culmination of 40-ish years of pretty relentless – a mix of pretty relentless electoralism married to a very effective direct action terrorism campaign that has netted the right a tremendous uh uh win here yeah i mean like and i feel like this it's a crisis but it hasn't been treated as a crisis and like when fucking democrats campaign this is like such an urgent matter and as soon as they're elected it's suddenly like not as urgent like look at fucking biden he ran on literally caught like codifying it he ran with that promise and obviously that didn't happen um and then there's also like to robert's point from earlier these justices are just like ancient and don't give up their power and i mean there's no use in pointing fingers even though i like to do it so like rbg for example like if she had just retired at her fucking time maybe there would be like one more justice that could fucking

help us out but there's a lot i mean she's got her share of the blame there's also the fact that we've had i think six justices appointed by republicans in the last 30 years and only one of those republicans actually won the popular vote. Right. Which was the goal. This is not just one of the most important things to understand about the anti-abortion movement is that it's not center. Like it didn't start and is not centered around abortion. It is centered around reversing all social progress of the last century. And the inciting incident was the integration of schools, right?

This all started over Brown versus the Board of Education. Abortion was just the thing they realized it was easier to rally people around than segregation. And that's what we're dealing with right now. codifying into law and locking into place for essentially forever um a minority rule in which christian extremists would get to govern the much larger chunk of the country that does not believe in those sort of things yeah and i think that's also worth mentioning anytime someone talks about this because the media does like the media just runs pr for the anti-abortion movement which is that this is unbelievably unpopular like staggeringly unpopular nobody wants this this is like this is this is less like you can pick if like this is less popular than invading fantasy countries that don't exist like if if you put like this this is this is significantly less popular than uh than burning police stations down we have the polling data on that it's like 20 less popular than lighting police stations on fire like it is

unbelievably staggeringly unpopular no one wants this except for a a very very very well organized very politically connected very wealthy and very powerful clique of christian fascists yeah well the laws never reflect what the the most of the population wants though right like yeah exactly like the popular vote, for example, as you mentioned earlier. So it's like, I think there was a poll, I was reading about this yesterday, in June of last year, 2021,

68% of people thought abortion should be legal for any reason. Like there's no, it doesn't have to be like any kind of thing. So it's like, and there's so many polls that also just like prove that most people don't want this hard and fast rule. But yeah, both parties, I think, utilize it to rally together people to vote, but obviously for different causes.

Yeah, and the first reaction from Democrats was, hey, donate to our campaign. Yeah, exactly. Oh my God, yeah, the sudden flood of emails honey read the room you have all the power in quotes right now and you've done nothing yeah it's like vote blue dare dare saying that and you get attacked by other democrats by being like a radical leftist ruining movement because like it's not their fault and i'm like you you've had power multiple times in my 30 years of life where you could have done it easily yeah like like and this is this is one of the things that like okay like this stuff doesn't work on me because i remember when obama

had a two-thirds majority in this yeah he had a filibuster proof majority in the senate had the house and not only did he not do this uh obama by by 2010 obama is codifying anti is codifying anti-abortion stuff and codifying the hyde amendment so yeah it's like no like and this is the this is the thing with the democrats right like they this is the best thing that's happened to the democrats since trump left office like the democratic party they love this this is the best this is the best thing that could possibly happen to them because now what they can do is they can run on we're going to bring abortion back every single election cycle and they never do it right because every single because they'll never like

the stuff that they run on like yeah they'll they'll they'll like they will even if they got another somehow by like magic if they somehow got another 60 vote majority they'd find a way to not do it because this this is this is a permanent fundraising thing for them yep yeah and they're they're desperately in need of money all the time always so if you take that away like during my brief stint in the california democratic party fundraising was always a big deal and they didn't want to divest from fossil fuel and cops because then where would the money come from you can't take campaigning on row away from them because then like they don't fucking know how to activate grassroots organizers it scares the shit out of them so they will be fucked if they lose this

which is why nothing has happened speaking speaking of money do you know who else wants their money that's that's right the products and services that support this podcast. That's right. Wow. That was great. And you know, certain may make you infertile. So, that's a benefit. Absolutely not. We are not doing this today.

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Listen to Gracias Come Again on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We are back. I think it's we'll be we'll be talking about Supreme Court abortion stuff for a lot in the coming months. Oh, boy. We'll be talking about various different facets of it. Different like mutual aid, like in ways of going about kind of filling in the gaps which are going to become larger. And a whole bunch of other stuff relating to like right wing terrorism against abortion clinics and all that kind of stuff. to right-wing terrorism against abortion clinics and all that kind of stuff.

The other interesting aspect about this that I want to briefly talk about is that with the specific phrasing of the leaked document, it threatens a whole sect of personal rights, not just abortion rights, and it could have far-reaching impacts in terms of privacy rights, And it could have far-reaching impacts in terms of, like, privacy rights, in terms of possibly even backtracking on stuff like gay marriage and a whole bunch of other things. It's like, it's, obviously the abortion angle itself is pretty massive and it affects, you know, half the population. But there's a whole lot of other stuff that indicates this trajectory towards this type of right-wing fundamentalist Christian fascist effort to hack away at all the things that they deem degenerate or things that they deem as undesirable. Well, I mean, the goal is to make America a Christian nation so Jesus can come back and rule it. And you can't do that if, you know, people are gay or people are allowed to be on birth control

or people are allowed to marry outside of their race or go to school with people who don't look like them. Yes, I did read Jesus say all of those things. Yeah, it's definitely in the bible somewhere yep if you if you do like that poetry style where you blot out some of the words to make other words which is now yes the thing we gotta get into that i think is is the primary question people have right is like beyond sort of the doom scrolling of of all of this and all of the fear about like what's going to happen to obergeville

and lawrence v kansas and all this stuff what are they going to go for next is like what actually will work to oppose this shit right um we at the moment i have not seen and i don't believe there's any objective signs the democratic party is going to be particularly useful in stymieing any of this bullshit. Cinema and Manchin have already come out against removing the filibuster. Manchin has come out against voting at all in order to codify abortion access into law in any kind of federal way. And yeah, I get the sense that for most of them, it's a big fundraising opportunity. Now we do have, that's not to say it's all bad news, because it is kind of, there's a possibility that this will have a significant impact on the

midterms. We got one kind of sign that where the race in Michigan that just ended, the special district or the special election where for the first time in quite a while, a district that Trump carried by like 16 points went to a Democrat. Now, the Republican that they were running against was the guy who said that women should lie back and enjoy it if they were getting raped. So this is one of those like I don't know how much we should see that as particularly emblematic of how things are going to more broadly go. But this does have – there's an activation potential, right? Because outside of the fact that the Democratic Party as a whole is feckless and primarily a method of fundraising for rich people, actual Democratic voters are rightfully horrified about what's going on. And this has, there's a potential here to activate a lot of people and get them organized in a productive way. So I think that has to be on our minds. And so there's a mix of, I don't want

to discount electoralism, but I think that in the immediate term, one of the things that people are going to have to do is provide actual material ways for folks to get access to the healthcare that's going to be increasingly denied to them. Now, we had a couple of episodes earlier in the year with Michael Laufer of the Vortheves Vinegar Collective. He's just gone viral in a Vice article about the hacked abortion pills that they've been guiding people in how to make. I think stuff like that is really useful. When I started posting about this online, someone pointed out that pro-abortion activists in Germany

recently flew drones across the border to Poland to drop off mifeprostol, like abortion pills, which were picked up by people in Poland. And there's going to be increasing kind of organizing around that, stuff like the Jane Collective. People are already organizing from like national organizations to increase access in states where it's going to remain legal for people out of state. So I think that's going to be hugely important. Does anyone else have sort of ideas on kind of what things people can do and are going to be doing to push back against this? Because I do think it's got to be twofold. It's got to be both, you know, pushing back in sort of a legal sense and also pushing back by direct action in order to ensure that people still have access to this stuff.

I don't know. I don't have faith in electoral anything. So I really think if it's possible to find your own community and just almost like with, I don't know, just mobilizing your actual peers versus trying to trust anyone with power to get anything done because maybe i'm a pessimist maybe i'm just a pessimist but what you said earlier about the person she was running against what i heard is that that person was still running and people like he was still the number two you know and i think on the other side they are their side is also going to rally against stuff like didn't oklahoma just pass like yeah the most restricted ever where like just yesterday at time of recording yep yeah so in this law women can be punished up to 10 years in prison for getting an abortion and like in pair like just for some perspective rapists in oklahoma get five years yeah so it's like stuff like that is happening in all these states and because these states people with with less resources maybe don't have the ability to travel so far i think really mobilizing communities a little bit more uh maybe

just more effective in my opinion yeah i mean we have to mobilize communities but you also can't like it can't just end at we're going to try to like provide these people with an option to get out of the state or get access where they are like clandestinely. If it's limited to that, they're going to push to make all this more illegal federally. And they're just going to keep throwing people in prison and using the police as the enforcement arm of this stuff. There does have to be, there has to be a broader counter. You know, I'm thinking back to like, and I'm not talking about like picking a dude to like and i'm not talking about like picking a dude to vote for i'm talking about like in in mexico right when they were talking

about um making abortion illegal activists attempted to light the capitol building on fire um and uh like that that that kind of like there has to be there has to be a broader two-thirds of the country thinks this is bullshit there has to be a broader – two-thirds of the country thinks this is bullshit. There has to be a way of getting those people organized in a way beyond dealing with the acute problems caused by this. Like, yeah. And I don't entirely know what that looks like. No, that makes sense. You're right.

It makes sense. Well, and I think that there have been signs that it's – so i mean there's obviously like there were protests like there's been protests like literally since the thing came out there were especially in dc there's been yeah also i mean i think i think part of like and la you can see this sort of like yeah with the dc one you can see this sort of like i don't know you you can see the way that people haven't i guess fully internalized the fact that the state is just trying to do this to them and that like, you know, if you look at the barricades that were put up, right, like you could just push those over. Like you had a bunch of people who were extremely angry and they sort of just sat there and did nothing. Right.

And like this is this is the kind of thing that like, you know, if you look at what happened in L.A., there was a lot of protests in L protests in la and like the department like homeland security was on the street beating people and i think if if there's like okay so one thing it's important to keep in mind is that this still again this this the ruling the draft of the ruling is not the actual ruling right there is still time right now in between when this in between this leak and when this is actually decided, there is still time to literally force the court to not do this. So start greasing those stairwells, people. Yes. Well, I think here's a few notes. So one, I think it's going to be used to encourage action on all sides. be used to encourage action on all sides. This is going to be seen as a victory for the right,

and they're going to use this momentum to mobilize further, to put more further anti-abortion stuff into law, and to encourage people to take vigilante justice out on healthcare providers. The second thing is direct action for trying to alter the ruling before it happens. Like, there is a chance to do mass mobilization. There is a chance if things are framed correctly, you can bring a lot of liberals out and convince them and suggest to them that they could do things that they ordinarily maybe wouldn't do. That is an entirely possible scenario. Just in my episodes about the Atlanta Forest from a

few days ago, I discussed the shack method of protest. Now, this doesn't carry over one-to-one, because that is pretty focused on doing economic targeting. But the whole idea of targeting people outside of like the political space is a key to that like people people don't just do work in the supreme court they have actual everyday lives and if you can uh surround them in their everyday lives that type of personal pressure is way more uh affecting than just yelling at a government building sometimes. Because if we can dissolve this safe political space that people think they operate in, they assume that, oh, I'm a court justice, I'm a judge, everything that I do happens in the courtroom.

I'm safe, I'm contained, everything is just in the confines of the courtroom. I don't get to experience consequences for my actions outside the courtroom, which isn't true because obviously the people, all of us, do experience those consequences in the real world all the things. Horseloop, again, very useful. That is a way to do types of protests that we have not seen as much, but I think now is probably the time to start doing that, right? Yeah. I mean, we saw stuff after the murder of George Floyd

with people surrounding the house of Derek Chauvin, which the police were very angry about. They did not like that. There is an indication that, hey, this, the state doesn't like it when this happens. It's not, it's not specifically more illegal to stand in the street of a residential neighborhood. So no, and it's, you know, a lot of protests so far has focused on court buildings, many of which are federal, and those provide a lot of benefits to, shall we say, the defender, including the fact that they're already well set up for surveillance. They're generally fortified.

They have a pretty short logistic tail to where the state is keeping its weaponry and its troops, as opposed to just kind of fucking with people in their lives which is a lot harder for those kind of militarized responses that lead to large groups of your friends getting arrested or beat up by feds i think also like yeah the tendency to go after like legal buildings is missing the point of where the actual power is like this is the thing which january 6th too is like yeah even if like yeah they took over the capital and nothing happens. And the reason that like nothing could happen is because it's just a building. Right. Like the actual political system exists independently of it. And you have to hit the things that the system actually cares about.

And so like that's ports, that's roads, that's border crossings. That's things like. Why am I now suddenly vacation homes? Yeah, but like, but also, I mean homes? Yeah. But like, but also, I mean like, okay, like,

you know, if, if, if, if there was actually like a way to stop this, one of the few things that could actually do it would be a large, would be something like a large scale teacher strike or a thing I've talked about before that is happening this summer is for example,

the, the, the longshoreman contract in Oakland is coming up. Right. And like, those are the kinds of things like if you can actually start shutting down large sections of the u.s economy the supreme court are political actors they will have to respond to this and you can essentially like like you you can you can blackmail them into into doing the thing that they should be doing you you can apply

targeted pressure economically and personally. Yeah. And that's the type of protest that I think it would be interesting to see where that leads us. They need to not, like, the consequence for both the political actors who are carrying this out and the people who support them needs to be that they don't get to live a normal life um that they are that they suffer consequences for hurting people and that means a lot of things but among other things it means that certain people shouldn't be going to the fucking grocery store without feeling the hatred you know yeah i think they shouldn't be able to order delivery and feel secure that what they're gonna eat isn't gonna

hurt them yeah and i think also like if like one of the things that i'm remembering from that was actually really effective initially from the beginning of the trump administration was the airport protests and that's a place that like you wouldn't think you'd be able to really occupy because again the amount of security there is enormous but like if you have a lot of libs you can i i remember like i was i was like standing in an airport terminal and there was a line of riot cops attacking like everyone is like oh we're gonna get attacked but like there was just enough like everyone just sat down and there was enough libs with like their kids that the cops didn't attack and that's that that's a kind of thing

that like potentially could be replicated and also could be useful given the fact that like sometimes cops have like an aversion to it, like stuff that looks really, really bad on TV. Not, not always, but like, yeah,

this is, this is the thing that can happen is a thing that like has happened in our like pretty recently. Yeah. We can do again. I don't really trust footage of police brutality to change things anymore um i feel like we reached the peak of that in 2020 yeah and at this point i think moving on to targeted pressure towards individuals

that hold positions of power and targeted pressure to the economy um is going to be where it's at speaking of targeted pressure the economy a large protest at an airport that the police break up with tear gas does damage to the economy that the police are the ones causing um and like it's it's uh it's one of those things as we've stated a courthouse or whatever is just a building people can not go into work and do all of the fucked up shit that they're doing on zoom. Um, an airport is not just a building, you know?

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I do have one like quick other thing that I want to throw out as sort of a means of resistance or action is something that I was trained to do growing up. Part of the forced birth movement is co-opting the language that the left uses. And I think something that we should do and something that we can all be doing right now is co-opting the language back. So when forced birth advocates say they're pro-life, come back with how can you be pro-life if you want someone to die by having a pregnancy? And like just sort of taking words and rhetoric that has traditionally been used to oppress us to reframe it and be like, no, actually, you're the one who's telling on yourself here.

And you're the one who is forcing people literally to die in multiple ways. You cannot be pro-life if you support people who already exist dying. And just sort of thinking about that a little bit, if you don't necessarily have the energy to go stage a protest at an airport. that a little bit if you don't necessarily have the energy to go stage a protest at an airport yep that is a great line to end on end on um everybody go out and again you know our sponsors are the klein and stubble hip surgery center in washington dc so please do keep greasing those stairways, everybody. Sources for It Could Happen Here, updated monthly at coolzonemedia.com slash sources. Thanks for listening. You should probably keep your lights on for Nocturnal Tales from the Shadow. Join me, Danny Trejo, and step into the flames of right.

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