It Could Happen Here - The Afterlives of Quentin Deranque, Pt. 2

Episode Date: May 5, 2026

Mick, Molly, and James conclude their discussion on the death of Quentin Duranque and discuss some fascinating new types of fascist. Donate: https://acu.nl/about/donate Sources: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/politics/article/2026/02/17/who-was-quentin-deranque-the-far-right-activist-killed-in-lyon_6750585_5.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/opinion/article/2026/02/27/france-s-political-violence-has-risen-significantly-with-assaults-doubling-over-the-past-10-years_6750916_23.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/m-le-mag/article/2026/02/18/nemesis-the-identitarian-activists-behind-feminist-masks_6750599_117.html https://www.sv.uio.no/c-rex/english/news-and-events/right-now/2024/extreme-right-violence-in-france-is-on-the-rise.html?utm_source=copilot.com https://www.france24.com/en/france/20260220-how-the-death-of-far-right-activist-quentin-deranque-became-france-s-charlie-kirk-moment https://jacobin.com/2023/06/france-far-right-neofascist-violence-politics?utm_source=copilot.com https://www.humanite.fr/politique/nemesis/nemesis-le-collectif-dextreme-droite-qui-provoque-le-cyber-harcelement-de-militantes-feministes-et-delues-de-gauche https://brusselssignal.eu/2026/02/french-nemesis-activist-says-group-traumatised-after-supporter-killed-in-lyon/ https://archive.is/VvPa4 https://www.humanite.fr/politique/nemesis/nemesis-photographiee-realisant-une-gestuelle-neonazie-alice-cordier-evoque-une-reference-au-rap https://archive.is/kjEUp https://www.lemonde.fr/societe/video/2026/02/18/mort-de-quentin-deranque-ce-que-montrent-les-videos-des-faits_6667296_3224.html https://contre-attaque.net/2026/02/16/revelations-de-nouvelles-images-et-un-temoignage-revelent-quune-embuscade-a-bien-ete-tendue-le-12-fevrier-par-des-fascistes-lyonnais/ https://www.franceinfo.fr/faits-divers/mort-de-quentin-militant-identitaire-agresse-a-lyon/reportage-il-a-refuse-d-aller-a-l-hopital-des-habitants-de-lyon-racontent-l-agression-mortelle-de-quentin-deranque_7808942.html https://contre-attaque.net/2026/03/27/affaire-deranque-scandale-detat/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're picking back up at the rally where Quinton was in the capacity of security for a nemesis. At some point, a confrontation developed between anti-fascists and brown shirts. Clearly, the instigator depends on the political orientation of the media that reports on it. But we've all seen scuffles like this. It's just they don't usually devolve to a point where someone dies. Like I can imagine, I don't know. I can imagine the outbreak of this scuffle because we've all seen it. Yeah.

I'm not going to litigate on who started or who not. I'll never know and it doesn't matter. Because it doesn't matter. Yeah. But I found an independent while left leaning a media website, Contrae Artique. They published several pieces on the events with claims that the fascist started to brawl. I find that one personally also more credible because they have multiple videos of photos of the far-eyed being there with weapons, including iron bars, crutches, motorcycle helmets, and at least one smoke grenade.

I mean, they showed up to someone else's event, to disrupt it, to cause a problem. They got in the middle of it. They brought weapons. It's hard to say who started the fight, but I can tell who wanted to. Exactly. Like, I've seen security at events and protests, but I've never, okay, unless they were cops, I've never seen them carrying weapons. Oh, I have. Well, that's more common in the United States. It's very common here. Oh, wow. Okay.

Oh, is that a pipe in his hand? Yes, it is. So he's wearing a balaclava and carrying a pipe. Yeah. It's not a great look. It's kind of classic. You're a Nazi fit. Skinny jeans.

The sneakers. Always the sneakers. Always the sneakers. One of those, little Adidas? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, of course. You've got to pick a brand that has been there since the beginning. Maybe some Pumas in there, too.

Of course, there's also Pumas in there. Here's another picture. Like, you can also see the motorcycle helmet in here in disguise hands. Oh, yeah. Okay, yeah. Motorcycle helmet's great because it's, you put it on to protect your head, or you can hit somebody with it. Because he's holding it in his hand.

He is not wearing it. That's a weapon. Yeah. But you have the plausible deniability. of I wrote my motorcycle here or this is for defense. That's what I also find. They often use things that you could really have with, like, they also use belts or sticks and stuff that you could carry with you.

Flag poles. Flag poles. Like stuff that you could carry with you without it being as immediately recognized as a weapon. Like if you were carrying knives. After you use it as a weapon, it doesn't look like premeditation because, well, I just had this. Yeah. The pipe. I don't know why you would just have a whole pipe.

He was on his way to do some plumbing. Mario and Luigi. Yeah, maybe he found it. I can imagine myself carrying a sledgehammer. Be like, no officer, this is my... I was on my way to break big rocks into small rocks. Yeah, exactly. I'm offensive.

I don't think that would fly, to be honest. But those I wanted to share as well. So he did show up with a pipe. That wasn't him, I didn't think. He wasn't pipe guy. That was one of his friends. That was one of the far-eyed activists that was present there. Yeah.

One media account said he was wearing a blue hoodie, Quentin, and I haven't seen that in the pictures that I could find. Well, it looks like the only confirmed photograph of him is that one that was provided by his family's lawyer to the media. So we don't know if any of those other photos even are him, right? No, there's also not that much footage of it, to be honest. Right. I mean, I guess there's the footage of him lying on the ground. But I mean, like, the only picture of his face is that one that was provided to the media by his family. And so far as I found, yes.

Yeah. And then in one of the few of the articles, there's like one where he's like half Balaclav out of but then that was at some Nazi rally in Lyon. So it still wasn't his first Nazi rally. No, it was. It was not. Okay. In any case, I think you would have a hard time defending that it was purely self-defense

on part of the security of that counter demonstration. Yeah. Again, no one is saying that he deserved to be beaten to death. We're just trying to figure out what happened here. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Contra Attique also published another article on February 20th about acts of violence from fascist militants in just Leon. There had been around 102 acts of violence as of 2010.

Yeah. That's one of their spots from what I understand. There's lots of groups that's formed in response to like the fascist threats that were there. And also a lot of the fascist violence is them just harassing brown people or like Muslim people. So it's hard to get a proper estimate, but I found this one very detailed. They mentioned from the top of their head, like, 25 different instances. The article for that will be in the show notes so people can read it themselves. Okay.

Now, I'll cite this from France info.fR. I witness accounts from residents who saw the fighting take place. Christine also witnessed the violence. I saw a fight over there with lots of young people. They were hitting each other, hitting each other, hitting each other. And then I saw a young man fall, she recounts. Maxime also saw the attackers flee. They shouted dispersed when they saw, I think, that they might have hit him hard.

They went off into all the streets. Everyone got out of their cars. Some guys on scooters stopped. They put him, I assume Quinton, in the recovery position. The resident explains. Neighbors then came to aid the injured. Another neighbor, Willem, saw him get up after being beaten. I went outside. I saw someone with blood on his hands. He looked a bit dazed. He was just standing, but he refused to go to the hospital, even though they offered to. I was just saw the people talking to him who told him to go to the hospital. In any case, what is certain is that he refused.

So this was a much large, it wasn't like 10 on one. It was like a group versus a group. It was a group. Yeah. It was like a melee. Yeah. Okay. I'm not sure which article exactly was but said that the fighting went on for like five minutes Which is a lot, it doesn't sound like a long But for a fight, that's like a long, that's a lot of minutes to be fighting Yeah Yeah

Fighting is normally pretty fast Especially fighting of this level of violence Especially if you're getting hit in the head with a pipe Or a motorcycle helmet Yeah There's a little video of it Like I've seen a couple of very small videos of the actual confrontation It's not like

It gives the impression like because of the big repercussions, this was like a huge set piece, but it's not. It's like, what, three dozen people maybe? At most. Yeah. And it was just like in some street. Yeah, it looks like a street corner. Yeah, it wasn't a battle of thermopyla or something.

Yeah. I'm sponsored by not being able to pronounce foreign words outside of English. Well, you could just tell us that that's how it said in Dutch and we would all have to believe you because we're not going to find out. I'm going to use that as a caveat the next time. That's how we say it in the Netherlands. Stupid Americans. Yes. I'll be saved by the fact that like Denmark and the Netherlands.

Nobody speaks to Dutch. Or that they confuse Danish with Dutch, which is also very funny, but also. Yeah, I did see some kind of funny posts regarding Greenland with that. Okay, then we're entering a whole other discussion. Yeah. But anyway, after the fighting about half, An hour and a half later, in the Fult Chiron district on the banks of the San, Quentin was evacuated in serious condition by firefighters.

To get there, he had to walk more than a kilometer and a half, crossed two bridges and traverse the Leon Peninsula. His route between the attack and his arrival at the hospital is unknown. So it sounds like he's just sort of staggered off disoriented. Something like that. Because he was probably bleeding in his brain. Yeah, he has a TBI, right? I would imagine so.

I just find it incredibly sad, to be honest. It is sad. But also that like, so like these bystanders are saying, hey man, like, let's get you in an ambulance, just get to the hospital. Where were his friends that he walked off alone? Yeah. Where were the guys he came with? Were the guys that were fighting on his side? How did he manage to walk off alone?

So like these people want to make him a martyr, but like they're the ones who let him die. This is also why I'm like, I'm not going to say he was fatally beaten because like, who knows, I mean, it sounds like a lot of people have some responsibility here. Yeah, a lot of people fucked up. If you die after being hit in the head, the person who hit you in the head killed you. That's how it works. But like, why did his friends let him walk away alone? Yeah, knowing he was injured, right?

No, even if he weren't injured, you never walk away from something like this alone because someone could follow you and keep beating you. Yeah, if there are people who are trying to hurt you, the best time for them to do it is when you're on your own. Like, you never leave an action alone. Yeah, the whole thing, like, I guess I should just say, like, Like, I don't know. When you fucking hit people in the head, this is one of the consequences that is on the list of possible consequences. Like, I fucking hate people who can hit people in the head come from a place in the world where, like, that kind of violence is more common because guns are less accessible to people.

And, like, yeah, people are going to fucking die sometimes when you do that. Like, it's serious. You don't have to intend to have killed them. Like, you one good punch to the head in an otherwise very fair, normal fight. Yeah, someone could die. Yeah. people have died from a single punch to the head that started a fight and ended their life at the same time. I think people sometimes, you know, you watch boxing or wrestling or whatever and then you

see people fighting very hard and not dying, but like you find someone with your bare knuckles to their bare head and they could die, even if it's only once you didn't mean to. Yeah, it's just one one small vein in one vein that gets nicked that can cause of a whole lot of trouble in that. Yeah. And even if it's not death, then there's still like life-altering consequences. be careful with your brain kids yeah

which is why you need to wear the helmet on your head instead of in a hand instead of just using it as a bludgeon yeah yeah yeah I can only come back to like I find it sad because it's a death that may may have been preventable with like proper medical intervention

also with like friends that should have backed him yeah it's pretty sad that this guy felt like he was part of something could those guys left him to die alone on the street like so now they're trying to take his death and profit from it politically. And then, yeah, he's only useful to them when he's fucking dead.

I mean, you know, he's a little horsed vessel. Yeah, that's a nature of fascism, but yeah. It's almost exactly like Charlie Kirk, where he was more useful as a martyr than when he was just a propagandist. But then he turned out not to even be good at that. I don't think we can fault him for being a bad martyr. Of all the things, of all the things we can criticize Charlie Kirk for,

that is not one of them. Yeah. It's not on him. Right, but I think in order to have a successful martyrdom, you have to have someone to blame. And there was just not enough publicity around the guy who actually killed Charlie Kirk. You know what I mean? Like, you know, horse vessel was killed by communists. So we're mad at communists.

But like... There was an attempt to pin that on the trans community, right? Like, it didn't stick the landing. And it didn't work. I should say that that guy is accused of killing Carly Turk as well. Exactly. I don't know. But the right is constantly trying.

trying to create a horsed vessel and it just kind of never works. Yeah, well, I mean, that's how the Spanish Civil War started as well, right? Like, it was probably easier in an age with less information and like party propaganda. I mean, these days, we would all be talking about, like, was horse vessel a pill? It kind of seems like maybe he was a pen. A horse vessel would have had a Twitter account and we would have been a thing. And we would have said, what was he doing with all those girls? Or we would have found his racist tweets.

Yeah. Oh, well, that would have been a barrier. It seems like the head of his local Sturmup title. Of course he had racist tweets. But being a pimp is not conducive to traditional Aryan values. Mick, please. Okay, okay. That goes my career change.

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I'm now going into the last section, which is about what happened here in Utrecht. They attempted to martyr him and the Fent Netherlands had said, we're coming to the AQ to hold a vigil for him. The Fent Netherlands is an umbrella term is not the perfect word. There's lots of local defense chapters, but they have like where they organize, but they also have like a main telegram group. So these are people who explicitly came to Utrecht. to hold this vigil.

The reason why I think is because they think ACU, ACU, as stands for Antifa Center, Utrecht. Oh, wow. Yes. It used to be a former auto garage back in the 80s, I think. So it stands for Auto Center, Utrecht. Oh, my God. Yes.

I'm at the Auto Shop, I'm at the Antifa Center. I'm at the Combination, Autoshock Antifa Center. I'm at the four-season's total landscape. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah. But it was a pretty big deal. Yeah. Because for reasons that I still can't understand,

like the mayor didn't like instantly ban this very obvious intimidation, attempt and threat. Hold a visual in your backyard or something. It's like there's absolutely no reason to travel to Utrecht to hold that visual other than being threatening and intimidating. But I think that's part of why they love trying to make these martyrs is because it, again, it's this like being the victim. Like, they killed one of us.

How could this isn't a politicism political. You can't ban our event, right? This isn't a Nazi rally. It's a vigil. Yeah. It's this victimhood thing. And it does make you harder to, to suppress. Yeah.

Yeah. I still find it unbelievable that the local authorities didn't do it. Oh, it's tacky. I was also there that evening. Because when I do activist stuff, I mostly do like, if like first aid at events or protests. Very noble. Somebody's got to do it. I'm not a confrontational person. So yeah, I'll give you a band-aid later.

That's where I'm good. You're a non-combatant. Exactly. And I actually came from the office that day, so I was also looking very inconspicuous, which was good because I ended up standing on my left, all the anti-fascists that on my right, all the black-left fascists. And it was like, and then two lines of like riot. I'm just the band-aid guy.

Yeah. It was like in a narrow alley, so I left, I'm enclosed, on my right, I'm enclosed. And then this girl boss cop comes up to me like, do you want to get out of here? I was like, yes, it seems like it could go wrong. And then she guided me through the fucking fascist. That must have been said. Yeah, I like to be a lot closer to an exit than that. Yeah.

Good on you. So it's even worse because I was with someone who was also doing first aid, and we tried to get back to the location. and we accidentally went to an alley at a dead end. And when we turned around, there were Nazis walking there. It was like, oh, oh, fuck. Yeah.

But I think they just thought that it was a way around and had just followed us because they thought it was a way through. They didn't actually confront us or anything. That makes my tummy hurt, Mick. I don't like that. It was one of the more scary moments. I'm going to admit that. Anyway, the St.

Netherlands mostly carried that little picture. you of like the bad AI sketch of a photo of Quinton. Okay, I'm sorry, if I ever get murdered and you're holding a rally for my memory, use a real fucking picture of me. Yeah, this is so insulting. They're using, they're using a fake picture of a more handsome guy. Yeah, the other flag that you said, yes. Like, I'm saying, like, use a good picture of me, you know, like a cute picture, but like,

they're using a fake picture of a more handsome guy because this guy was weird. Yeah, the person who is on the flag and the BBC article, that's just straight up not him. It's not a guy who looks like him. It's not a rendering of him by AI. That is like old school German propaganda of like an Aryan specimen where like this was like a skinny little guy who's half Hispanic. Latino, Latino, yeah. Like it's just disrespectful to his memory to whitewash him and make him more handsome. You were not a good enough martyr. We had to find a better looking guy to pretend was you

so we can profit politically from your murder. What picture of you do we need to use, Molly? In the event? Oh, yeah, I should pre-select. Yeah, exactly. And then you can also select which photo we're going to use and which we're going to put on the banners. But it's like they don't actually care about this man.

Most of the people holding those banners don't know that's not him. Yeah, 100%. It's a very empty performance. I'm performing outrage over the like the theoretical death of a guy whose politics were similar to mine. Yeah. But defend Netherlands, they also carried what we call the princess flag in the Netherlands. Princess flag?

Yeah, the flag of the prince. Oh, princess. Yeah, and it's a variation on the flag that we have right now. But it was co-opted by the Dutch National Socialist Party prior and during World War II. Oh, dear. So it's now heavily associated with those groups. And that is the flag they choose to carry. I'm just skeptical of all flags.

Unless I'm 100% sure what I'm looking at, I'm skeptical of a flag. Because usually a guy that, like, I don't know what you're doing. What does that mean? It is always telling when people are like, oh, this nationalist flag. The flag of our nation is not nationalist enough. Let me find an obscure one from the past. It has only been revived by fascists. Yeah.

Like anyone in South Africa carrying something other than the current officially South African flags? Yeah. Because there's a lot of variations and they're all back. Well, we're getting through those variations, Molly, because like the flag was not only used by collaborators, but they've also added, because just alluding to, like, the collaborationists is not enough. They added a VOC logo from the Dutch East India Company onto the... Wow.

Fuck me. Ever what? That's honestly hit me. That came from fucking nowhere. God. They just like these people fucking hated people who weren't white as well. Like, yeah. Sorry, that is incredible.

Hello, we are evil. Yeah. Fuck me. It's amazing. Yeah, I can't believe we've opened that can I won't because that's going to happen in Britain now, unfortunately.

God. I've put it in the chat, like something like that. I mean, it's just like comedically. Fuck! It's a shit logo as well. What? It's for what?

It looks like a ranch brand. It looks like somebody didn't want their cows to go missing and they did that. It does. I would stamp that on a horse for sure. It probably was.

Probably also on people. Yeah, I was going to say that's an unfortunate series of, what the fuck though? Like, I can't believe they did that. Is that a thing on the Dutch right?

Like, like, make Dutch East India Company great again? I'm nostalgic for the dusty my loyalty lies with the Dutch East India Company. It's such a niche. This is what you get

from like European ultra-nationalism. It's these incredibly niche racism. I'm a monarchist for spice trading. Yeah. Yeah. This is something they actually do. I've seen it at multiple like far-right rallies where they're just waving that shit. That rocks.

Yeah. It's like the poorest dog whistle that any normal human being can also hear. Like, okay. Yeah. You long back to the days of like killing hundreds of thousands of people for the spices that we don't use in our cuisine. Yeah. Wow. That is so niche.

That's so good. That's so good. I hope those guys get pressed into service on a ship. Yeah. Yeah. You know, they might be shipped through Iran soon. Who knows?

Like, enjoy sailing around the world. You love it so much. Yeah, going to Bengal by sale. Yeah. You love fucking racism. Getting scurvy to own the lives. You know they will get scurvy chains because they won't be eating fruit. Yeah,

because they're exclusively eating what the Americans call French fries. because the erasure of Dutch cultural brilliance. That's true. They are. Or like a fermented meat or something just exclusively. Yeah, because it returned.

But yeah, anyway, with the rally, in the end, nothing really happened. There were some chance going up and down. I think there were only two arrests for insulting police officers. I think one on either side. That's illegal there? Yes. Oh, I can never go.

You can also just, avoid police. That's a thing. Wow. They won't immediately chase you with a gun here. But I've never had any experience with American cops, so there's no comparison for me. Also, hope that never happens, because we've heard stories of what happens. Yeah, American cops, not good.

Yeah. That's one of the founding principles of this here podcast network. Well, we have, there is one cop in Utrecht who was allegedly a member of an openly Dutch Nazi group. But I think he since left it. That happens a lot here. Yeah, that's not an uncommon occurrence. No, what's the Copsan clan go hand in hand? That's right.

We say it for a reason. Yeah. Well, we can add cops in company, bracket Dutch East India. Those were not cops because it was a corporation, James. Yeah, that's the thing. That's the enforcers. You can't be a fascist for the Dutch East India Company because it's something a little bit different. That's true.

That's true. They were not a state. It's a non-state entity. It's like an autonomous. It's an autonomous fascism of its own. It kind of cucked for a fascist to be nostalgic for a company. Yeah. Yeah. But as long as it's a nationalist company, then it's okay.

This is great. I'm going to revive some like 18th century pirate ship. You know, when like, the British were, like, attacking the Dutch East India Company ships, I'm going to bring that back now because fuck these people. You have my personal permission to attack Dutch. sailing ships. I have that authority. Experience Harry Styles

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waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 was big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack, so I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now, so... Then you're finishing that sentence. Yes, I don't think there's a more important year for black people.

Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years. for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My mother-in-law spent years sabotaging our relationship until karma made her pay for it. Wait a minute, Dakota. How bad did it get? Well, it got bad enough that her son-in-law had to eventually arrest her himself.

She moved in for two weeks, lasted for five. She left nail clippings in the bathtub, candy stuck to the furniture, and then she pressed her ear against the bedroom door and burst in screaming. She did not burst in while they were... She did. They kicked her out and paid for her hotel, and they thought, it's finally over. Days later, she called her son-in-law at work,

claiming that his partner had been in some kind of freak accident and had been rushed to the hospital in an ambulance. He called every hospital in the city, and his partner was making coffee the entire time. She faked a medical emergency just to test whether or not he loved her son? Yeah, and she sat in the hospital parking lot, waiting for him to see if he would show up. When that didn't work,

she walked into the son-in-law's police station. and filed a kidnapping report against him. She filed a kidnapping report against him in his own police station. And spoilers, karma's going to show up in the best way possible. So if you want to hear how this story ends, search OK story time on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you're listening to podcasts. But to get back. Not to Quentin. Sorry.

No, there was one other thing that happened because the day after the rally, there was an unknown person who threw a smoke bomb. inside the ACU. Oh, shit. A person was never caught. I'm going to make a wild guess and say he was probably involved with defend Netherlands or some other similar fascist groups.

No one at the ACU was hurt. It was mostly just an inconvenience. And that is pretty much the story of how the death of a French Nazi involved threats to a community center in the Netherlands. Wow, yeah. I think you mentioned someone called him

Francis Charlie Kirk. Yeah. But it's wild how this one has been so seized upon by people who, like, as we said, they did not give a shit about this guy when he was alive. Now, I think R.N.

Rseumlement. National rally would be the English. Sure, like, National Assembly. Yeah, I think national rally is how they do it in English. Okay. Yeah. Those guys held like also like, on a political level, it was like a national thing that happened where they were memorizing it and they were blaming a French unbought for

whatever happened because one of the people who was arrested for the violence was an aid, I think, to someone from French unbout. That's not great. Yeah. That's not great. I imagine their boss would have preferred that they had not done that. Probably, probably. But it was a huge thing.

I mean, like, from my end, like, obviously I don't read a lot of French news, but I subscribe to a lot of Nazi telegram channels, and I see his name a lot. like the active club sort of networks. It's not always directly the active clubs, sort of these sort of ancillary telegram groups that spin up around them. But in that milieu, they're talking about him a lot.

They're talking about like, you know, training in his honor, punching communists in his honor. You know what I mean? Like they're trying to make this a rallying point to inspire more violence. Yeah. I don't know if it'll work long term.

I've seen many such attempts that do not work long term, but it's been two months and they are still talking about, you know, hurting people in his name. I also have my doubts on whether that will work. Because they try a lot. They try a lot.

Yeah, yeah. I put together a bunch of examples of attempted martyrs that just like nobody remembers. I can't think of anyone. Exactly. Exactly. Besides the one we already talked about, whose wife is now running the foundation. And for the most part, it's, I mean, at least in America, most of the right-wing martyrs are people who died in prison or were killed by the police.

We don't have a lot of sort of street deaths like this. Yeah, yeah. Although, like, I do feel like right-wing martyrs killed by the police. Like, if they, like, if the Weaver family were killed by the cops today, the members of the Weber family who were killed by the FBI, Vicky Wee. Yeah. Like, if that happened today, I think half of the right would be like, hell yeah, get them, cops. Like, like, the bootlicker tendency.

Right. I mean, like, they tried to make Levoie Finacom was killed during the Bundy standoff in 2016. Did you remember Lavoie Finacom? No. Yeah, no one. I mean, Ashley Babbit, Ashley Babett should have been their martyr. They moved on.

Yeah, and they've been doing some Ashley Babett stuff. Like, I think they, it didn't work. Yeah, it still hasn't. They're trying to bury her, I believe with like military honors now and get her Air Force pension or something. And she can sue Capitol Police now.

It hasn't worked. In terms of popular culture, no one cares. Yeah, I mean, the closest thing we have are when white women are killed by black men or immigrants, that sometimes will, that flash in the pan lasts a little longer, but even still, like Kate Steinley, Molly Tibbitts,

like, Arena Zurichka, like... Well, they stuck the landing with, um, Lake and Riley. They had the Lake and Riley Act, right? Mm-hmm. They managed to essentially create a system where immigrants are guilty until proven innocent. Right.

Now, yeah, they have not spoken about her sins, but like, the legal version of the legal tendency on the right, right, the right legislative movement kind of did with that. But they are. They're like constantly scrounging around for a martyr and trying to make one happen. Like in 2020, like right after George Floyd, Ken and Hinnant, that five-year-old boy that was killed by his neighbor.

Oh, yeah. And they were like, this is our George Floyd. You never heard about it again. Yeah. They tried a lot in this. Trump tried a lot in the State of the Union, right? And then the, what was it? two weeks ago, he posted that video of a woman being beaten to death.

Yeah. It just, it doesn't work. Like, the sauce isn't there for them to create martyrs, but they love to try. Yeah. But in order to have a martyr that that person needs to have had value in their eyes in the first place. And I think that's what missing. Right, because they don't care. Yeah.

Well, they posthumously tried to kind of stack it on old Quentin here. Yeah, but I think that this person needs to have a really, and they needed to really died for an actual cause. Died for an actual cause, but also someone who was like broadly known and looked up to. Well, not necessarily. I mean, you don't have to be somebody before your death to be an important martyr. I mean, Emmett Till was not a civil rights activist. He was a little boy.

Yeah. I think it's worked historically more on the left because it is people who are, there tends to be people who are victimized for just for being themselves. They're blameless. Yeah, people who are just existing in the world. Right. It's like if you got into a fight at a Nazi rally, like, I'm not going to blame the victim, but it's not a, it's not a blameless death. No, like, more like Renee Goode, I think was her name, where she was just, you know, looking out for her neighbors. But then, yeah, it was murdered.

You've been a good person in the first place. Yeah. Maybe that's where the right goes wrong. Yeah, that's where it really goes wrong. That's the root cause, yes, yeah. The only ones I can think of the. really stick are older. And maybe that is like you're saying, James, because it was like a lower information environment. But like they still do Martyr's Day for Robert Matthews. And that was 40 years ago. Yeah. Like it was easier, right? Like, uh, for them to do it back then.

And like Matthews got sort of enshrined into this, this martyrs pantheon. Yeah. At a very important time in the movement. I just don't know that his death would be that important if it happened today. Yeah. I think a lot about the Vicky Weaver thing because we had Bill Gore, who was a sheriff in San Diego, had been an FBI agent who was part of the operation at Ruby Ridge. It was very interesting in San Diego because initially, when Gore became sheriff, you had all these people on the right, like specifically posting on the sheriff's department lost a lawsuit for deleting comments on its Facebook page regarding this. They can't delete comments, right? Like, they're a public agency. Then 2020 happened. And that same tendency, those same

groups, not the individual who bought the suit, but like those folks were showing up with their Blue Lives Matter flags, but then like also struggling to like line that up with like, oh, we should bring guns. Oh, but that would be illegal in California. Oh, but we have a right under the Second Amendment. Well, who would be the person who enforced the law that you think contravenes the Second Amendment? It's the cops, right? And you're also here just. They're so stuck. They're so stuck. Yeah. They just kind of backed themselves into a corner there where like, who were in a way more ideologically consistent back in the day at least.

Like they're like loving the cops thing that they made part of their identity largely in the George Floyd moment, right? And the Yorkshire Lepriding has really fucked them when it comes to people who get killed by the cops. Yeah. So hopefully this one fades away

like all their other martyrs. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't like know where his family are at either. Like if family may not have been bigots. Right. Like have they come out and tried to capitalize on this? Like does he have a crying? mother on the news talking about evil Antifa. They don't have a crying mother on the news.

I do know they have a lawyer and I think there is some form of legal action being taken. And that makes sense because there were people arrested who were responsible for the death. Like it makes sense to be a legal process to move forward. Yeah. But I mean like there's not like a member of his family out there doing propaganda against like anti-fascists. Not that I'm aware of, but they were very quiet insofar as I've could see. Yeah.

Like I've written this. over the space of like two months. So I may have missed something somewhere. Sure. But they were pretty quiet on his activist activity. So I'm not sure how I'm not sure if it's something they didn't know or if it was something that. Maybe they didn't know how bad it was.

How bad it was. It could also have been kept quiet in order to like. They're doing a lawsuit. Yeah. Right. They should say less if they're pursuing litigation. That makes perfect sense. So it seems like most of the propaganda around his death is being produced by the groups he was

in, right? You said he was in an active club. I'm mostly seeing this from active clubs. So it makes sense that they would be doing that. Yeah. It's just, uh, if they're not, like, if it happens that like any someone in his family is, you said like a migrant to France themselves, like it would really fucking suck to know, first of all, to find out that this kid and your family had these reprehensible views and then to see their face everywhere. Well, luckily it's not his face. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Yeah. Someone else's face in his name. It's just fake resemblance. Yeah. So, yeah, before we close it out, though, I do want to plug something because I do know when the ACU, they shut down.

They had a concert and the entire venue was closed the day of the vigil. So they did miss a lot of income. And I also personally know a few people who spent quite some money on just barricading the door, getting iron grades for the windows or steel grades. That's dark. Yes. Yeah. So there is a donate link. for the ACU because it's also entirely

volunteer run. There's no paid employees. Everyone's just doing that in their spare time. So if there are people who have some money to spare and they think that's a worthy cause, then in the show notes you can find the donate link to support the local community center.

Yeah, it'd be nice if people did that. That's beautiful. Yeah, it was very hard-wobied to see. I think at the demonstration itself, I think that the Nazis were outnumbered like three to one, maybe more. usually are. Usually are, but it's still very heartwarming to see such a quick and rapid response of people just being like, hey, we don't want them here.

Go back to your backyard, hold the vigil there. And it was a thing that happens. Yeah. But after we've spoken so much about weird Nazis, Molly, I've been told you do also something with weird little Nazis. Oh, I love a weird little guy. I don't talk about them every week on my show, weird little guys. Okay.

I can find it anywhere you get your podcast. And now I'm actually so curious about these weird little girls. I might have to check this out. Okay. It's new fascination unlocked. I'll share some of the links with you then you can have a starting point. Although I think you're a much better researcher than I am. Although unfortunately it's all going to be in French. That's a nightmare. It just auto translates. That's true. Because I also don't speak French and also translate safety. You just made a powerful enemy. Oh. The francophone world. They're so uptight about their silly little language.

Yeah. I love to speak French. French-speaking people, please, then. Also, next time I read French articles, James, I'll send the link to you and ask you to translate them for me. Yeah, I'm really worried that I'm going to have to translate some heinous shit now. Here's like the French version of Mind Cunf. Could you please translate it for me? I do have some Holocaust denial text I need to.

And so you're just make sure I'm not in France when I receive them and be a crime. True. You might have visa problems as well. Yeah. I'm not going. Okay. I'm no longer a EU citizen. So I now have to get visas for places.

Too bad. And you have to be not be declared persona non grata. Yeah. Okay. Then, yeah, I think we can wrap this up. Thank you guys for being here and making us. It's a lovely time talking about Nazis. Yes, thank you for introducing me to some terrible new concepts.

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