It Could Happen Here - The First Days of the Spanish Civil War

Episode Date: July 25, 2022

James is joint by Margaret killjoy, Garrison And Robert to talk about when anarchists and cops joined forces to fight a coup in Barcelona.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and Sophie and Gare who are less special. Wow, a whole week? Yep, that's right. We're here to start a civil war, right? That's what I've read on Reddit, yes. Start a civil war, Sophie? We cleared that with corporate, right?

I can neither confirm nor deny. iHeartRadio is officially backing the start of a civil war? Yeah. We're on board? Yeah. Essentially, corporate said, you know, go ahead, Cool Zone Media. Start a civil war. Start a civil war.

We will be civilly and criminally liable for all violence that occurs. That's the iHeartRadio guarantee. Yeah. And we've enlisted the people on this call who are Margaret Kildroy, Robert Evans, Garrison Davis, James Stout, and myself, Sophie. They are also all civil and criminally liable. Yeah.

But do we get to collectivize a huge, maybe like 70% or so of all the industry? Yeah, obviously. I mean, some of us do. Okay. It's like any civil war. You're going to find out who later. We're going to find out who today, Robert.

This is my in-depth guide into how to beat a coup, start a civil war, and win the first part of it. Oh, good. Well, that's the only part of it you really need to win. Yeah, it is. You don't want to get too bugged down in the later stuff because it's just depressing. So we just want to focus on how to win the first 48 hours.

And from there, you can taper off. And then take the weekend off. Yeah, break off. Chill out. You're fine. Or just go down as a hero and let everyone else sort everything else out afterwards. I think that's probably the best option.

You're going to learn about a guy who dies within 24 hours of the war starting as a hero and gets a gun named after him, which is all we can really want for ourselves. That does sound like the dream. Yeah, that's the way Robert Evans needs to go. Not suggesting that

anytime soon, of course. Alright. Would it be the Robert or would it be the Robert, or would it be the Evans? The Robert, yeah. Definitely the Robert. Just give him a good old bobbin. It would be named after my nickname, the Jesus Christ of podcasting.

Right, Sophie? 100% no. Yeah, no. Sophie says yes. If there's not already a gun named after jesus i will be shocked yeah it's probably not a kind of company you want to we've we've really gotten off and i i think in all fairness it's not my fault i think it's garrison's fault yeah that's who i was gonna blame i think we've all agreed on that what are we talking about james talking about the

spanish civil war today we'll be uh James? Talking about the Spanish Civil War today. We'll be desecrating the name of Jesus Christ a little bit later as well. Oh, I love desecrating the name of Jesus Christ. I'd gathered, yeah. We'll do that just some more for you today. I'll send you some pictures afterwards that you will enjoy. All right, so we're talking about the Spanish Civil War. We're not talking about all of it because that's a lot

and because I think it's important when we talk about the Spanish Civil War. We're not talking about all of it because that's a lot. And because I think it's important when we talk about the Spanish Civil War to talk about the moments when revolutionary things happened because they are as important as the moments when terrible things happened. And the moments when the people in arms defeated the coup because that's both instructive and inspiring and interesting. Wait, I have a question. Yeah. What's the Spanish Civil War?

That's a great question and one I've failed to address thus far. It is a war that happened in Spain. It wasn't very civil. So only two out of three. Remarkably uncivil, actually. So we're looking at 1936. Today, we're looking at July 19th and 20th, 1936, right? But you can see it as like the precursor to the Second World War.

You have people who are fascist or fascist adjacent. You have people who are explicitly anti-fascist. And they are killing each other from 1936 to 1939. And the anti-fascists win, right? Not entirely, unfortunately. Yeah, they have some wins along the way. You okay okay yeah there's some moments the friends that you meet along the way that yeah what is civil war if not the friends that you make along the way don't answer that at home because it's sad but yeah these are some friendly times these are some good times uh these are the

first 48 hours of the Spanish Civil War. We're going to start with an anecdote about the Popular Olympics, which you probably have never heard of unless you're me, because it's a thing that I've written about a shit ton, but not many folks have read about. It's the Antifa Olympics. It's the best way to understand the Popular Olympics. It was a gathering held in 1936 in Barcelona

in opposition to the Berlin Olympics. So the Olympics are given to Weimar Germany in 1931, right? They're not given to Nazi Germany, but when Germany... Yeah. Weimar Germany is the pre-Nazi. It's before Hitler takes power. Yeah, when they were actually pretty cool in some ways, pretty progressive for the time period, in lots of ways um it's the woke germans yes it is the

woke germans it's uh it's like if if if aoc was running 1930s germany that's what you get i bet they had a whole institute that trans people got to hang out at and learn about themselves i've heard that yet what. What happened to that institute? I can't remember. The Nazis came and killed the first woman to medically transition in the Western Hemisphere and burned all of the books and then stole the records that the people had been keeping about all the gay people and then rounded up all the gay people and murdered them in camps that's that's what happened that's disappointing well good thing that'll good thing that'll never

happen again anyway oh we've learned our lesson yeah there's absolutely no echoes of that in current political discourse so that's fine hey let's learn how to kill fascists um let's talk about that yeah yay fuck them uh okay uh so we're talking about the popular olympics the anti for olympics the olympics that happen because the nazis are shit and you shouldn't play games with shit people uh to include the olympics even if you very much want to win a medal uh take note athletes uh doing uh sports and dictatorships um and so a lot of people, about 20,000 people, instead decide to go to Barcelona, where they're going to host this alternative Games. And the subtext of the

Popular Olympics is not just that Hitler shouldn't have the Olympics, it's that GASP, Hitler shouldn't exist. And the anti-fascism is strong and youthful and perfectly capable of fighting a war and killing the fascists. that's sport george

orwell called sport war without the shooting right uh this is a war with the shooting uh it's a good quote uh george orwell pops up a few times in this one uh not always right about everything but he was right about that um we popped up at the wrong time it's never mind i'm trying to make a George Orwell gets shot. Shot in the throat. Now I just feel bad about it because... At least that's the least... I mean, before podcasting,

the throat was the best place to get shot as a writer. That's true. That's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It didn't go well for him in the end. It sort of did end his life prematurely, I guess. But he got some bangers out in terms of books first. Yeah.

But you can't fault him. All right, so we're talking about the Populary Olympics, talking about the night before the Populary Olympics. You're going to learn why you haven't heard of the Populary Olympics. So I guess keep listening. Okay. 86 years ago in Barcelona, Pau Casal, the father of modern cello,

was leading the final rehearsals for the opening ceremony of the popular Olympics. They had already practiced the hymn of the popular Olympics. It was a song co-written by a Catalan composer and an exiled Jewish one who had fled oppression in Germany. Now they moved to Beethoven's night symphony. You might know it as the Ode to Joy. Casals recounted what happened next in his memoirs. I just called the chorus on stage to sing the chorale when a man rushed into the hall. He handed me an envelope saying breathlessly, This is from Minister Gasol. An uprising is expected in the city at any moment.

I read Gasol's message. It said our rehearsal should be discontinued immediately or the musicians should go straight home and that the concert scheduled for the following day had been cancelled. The messenger told me that since the message was written, an insurrection had started in Madrid, and fascist troops were now marching on Barcelona. I read the message aloud to the orchestra and to the chorus, and then I said, Dear friends, I do not know when we shall meet again. As a farewell to one another, shall we play the finale?

And they shouted, yes, let us finish it. Then the orchestra played and the chorus sang as never before. I could not see the notes because of my tears. So that's how Pau Casal starts a civil war. They finished that concert in 2016, incidentally. They came back to the same place. And yeah, it was very... to the same place and, uh, and yeah, it was very,

uh, same people. Uh, no, no. Well, the same institutions, right.

These are, these are called or fails like, uh, I guess popular choruses, popular kind of, uh, city orchestra kind of thing. Okay.

Um, so they finished it in the same place, uh, because in the intervening 80, years there was a little issue with the franco dictatorship uh which there still is in spain uh incidentally but uh yeah barcelona is very much reclaimed its memory as an anti-fascist city following the dictatorship i could really i i can really see myself in those musicians you know like it just feels like a very possible thing unfortunately to just be like okay well we're gonna do this thing and then

well i guess i don't know should we finish like yeah fuck it fuck yeah yeah right like at some point i don't maybe not like look all of us were doing something else when we learned that uh a bunch of chuds had stormed congress right and that the uh the yak hat man was inside the senate chamber um like like and some of us finished i was on a bike ride i kept riding my bike like there's not there's not much i can do uh sometimes you have to take the moments of joy because there might be much joy available for the next little while um so yeah i think it's easy to see myself in a lot of this stuff uh perhaps that's why i'm drawn to it uh all right the following morning the city woke up before dawn to the sound of gunfire to most of the catalan working class this wasn't a surprise the coup

had begun two days earlier in Morocco, and word travelled quickly among the anarchists. By the time the men of the 4th Division, under General Fernández Buriel, began their march to the central plaza de Catalunya, the people of the Popular Front were ready. The uprising had begun in Morocco on the 17th, and all day tension had been building.

Union radio had called a general strike, and despite the refusal of the Republican government to acknowledge how deep of trouble they were in, their unions were under no illusion as to the stakes. By lunchtime on the 19th, Spain had gone through three prime ministers since breakfast, and Barcelona had defeated a coup. So what happens to the prime ministers? Okay, you be prime minister, and you're like, oh, fuck no, I don't okay you be prime minister and you're like oh fuck

no I don't want to be prime minister or are they getting like killed by the fascists or no no Madrid is very it's not very safe it's safe basically your first guy is like I done fucked up here I should have seen this one coming given that I was explicitly warned about it for weeks

he's like peace I'm out second guy pops in he's like don't worry guys we can fix this what we need to do is call the uh call the generals talk it out uh it's interesting fascists yeah give them just just uh like reason with them um it's interesting because what happens is in that conversation it's the fascist general i think it's capable because what happens is in that conversation, it's the fascist general, I think it's Capo de Llano he calls, I can't remember, Godet maybe, maybe Godet. Anyway, he says like, you have your people and I have mine. And in that moment, what's happening is a fascist general

who is leading a coup is reminding an elected politician that he has an obligation to serve the people who elected him and not just to make like unilateral compromises with fascists right so that the yeah what a country what a time at that moment that second prime minister is also doomed right so then we we move on to number three and at that point we open up the armories to the working class right which is what they should have done earlier in in every city where the working class is armed the coup is defeated in every city where it's not armed the coup succeeds um and that doesn't have any ramifications for today so keep

going no absolutely none um no and it's something that we can't learn from uh so we shouldn't we shouldn't try um and obviously it's not a direct parallel uh there are some really interesting moments in in this particular arming of the working class one that i had to come back to is that the uh there aren't the soldiers right it's obviously the weapons are in the hands of the military and obviously the military has just done a coup but not all the military has just done a coup so you have some generals or colonels who are in charge of uh barracks um who or armories and they will be like yeah okay i've got the order that's what i'm gonna do i think this coup is kind of bullshit like it hasn't succeeded yet it might not succeed here are the rifles union members but in madrid you have another colonel who's a die-hard uh coup coup guy big big coup person uh who is in control of the bolts of the rifles um so like the rifle doesn't work without the bolt

right the bolt is the bit that like plugs a hole and makes the bullet go bang um i've explained that properly right robert that's uh that's a technical terminology yeah yeah yeah yeah it's just the piece that makes the gun go bang yeah so the uh bolt critical to the functioning of the rifle held by another guy who turns out to be a fash uh and so he doesn't issue them the bolts so you have all these working class militiamen being like how rifle work with no bolt uh and just like entering the streets anyway right slapping on the bayonet now you have a pike uh you have other people who have never operated a rifle before so like allegedly everyone's calling the socialist

union headquarters in in madrid being like do this do that and they're like i can't hear shit there's just hundreds of people behind me trying to operate the bolt on a bolt action rifle trying to learn how to do this and like they're taking their newsprint from their union newspaper right and trying to wipe the cosmoline off the rifles because they've been in like deep storage it's very evocative scene like you can smell it you can hear it of these people being like well we never used these before they've been in deep storage for a long time they're covered in grease but fuck it like it's now or never yeah and uh it was right so if we go back to what happened in barcelona they had radios in public places right this is very common uh whole books about

how nazis use radios but it's common in the 30s parts of the city the paving stones have barely been relayed from october 1934's fighting but they were quickly pulled up again barricades were constructed old rifles and pistols and the bombs that the anarchists particularly love were dragged out of the bottom of drawers these people fucking love throwing bombs like uh the uh just the the yeah there there's a there's a lady later on in the war called rosa la dinamiterra like rosa the dynamiter who um who just like becomes a legend right for just throwing dynamite fascist uh she loses yeah she like there's so much awesome shit that happens that gets lost because yeah ultimately like hitler

and and uh mussolini win the spanish civil war basically right spoiler yeah so actually that night before the before the troops march on the city the ugt the socialists control the dock union the dock workers union and they're like hey hang on i'm pretty sure there's a ship in the harbor that has dynamite on it let's raid it so they raid the ship okay steal the dynamite and drive through the city distributing it to union members who spend the entire night making bombs. I'm sure that that went badly for several of them. Yeah, it went badly for fascists too. Or yeah, almost undoubtedly.

Robert and I have talked to some people in some other contexts who have made homemade bombs. Don't smoke, is what I will say. Do not smoke if you're in the process of making bombs or explosives oh whatever that's the same people who say that you can't smoke while you're fueling up your car yeah cowards yeah go down like a chad yeah um that's my message to you uh the other thing they did was they put on like their mono so like a mono is like a like a onesie right like an overall uh blue mono is kind of the militia uniform because they weren't an army they were just working class

people who worked at factories who were not taking any shit from the army that day and they put on their little union hats which you can see in all the photos they look very cool very quaint um so to understand why the conflict they fought that day began, it's probably beyond the scope of this podcast. And to understand why it ended the way it did will infuriate just about everyone listening, which is fine, but we don't have all day. Okay. If you want to know more about some of the people involved,

Margaret Killjoy's podcast on Hispanic Anarchist is a great place to start. What? Yep. I thought it was wonderful. I'll have to check that out. Yeah, do. Yeah. Great podcast. It's really, really great. I love it. Sophie listened too. what yep i thought it was wonderful uh to check that out yeah i do yeah a great podcast really great i love it wow sophie listened to look at that yeah yeah sign yep you should like and

subscribe uh is that is that still the thing that was the link if you want to cool people who did cool stuff yeah i think so that sounds about right oh yeah yeah i've heard of that yeah the host is brilliant yeah she's amazing i'm trying to make be clever but instead i'm probably blushing no you deserve oh okay yeah if you want to read some books i'm going to list some books at the end uh probably far too many uh because this is my shit but uh i think there's more books written about the spanish civil war than um well i guess war in general but i think anarchists have written more about the spanish civil war than maybe undoubtedly anything else combined yeah the the device we are speaking on is currently uh

propped up on a large stack of them actually uh most of my material possessions so yeah it's nice it's a way your life should be kids i've written one too uh and uh it's heinously expensive uh but you know i'm happy with with it. If you struggle to obtain it materially, please just shoot me a direct message. Unless you kind of have some kind of gross disagreement because you're a fascist or something, in which case, please don't bother. Okay. I don't know how you got this far if you were a fascist, I guess. For now, though, let's get back. Yeah, I probably have some.

I don't know. Fuck off nazis i guess i think i think fewer people hate listen i okay my theory i know that we wanted to hear my theory about why podcasting took off um is because it's harder people don't have the attention span to hate listen the same way that they can like hate skim or like hate read tweets and reply and so i've made a lot of different media in a lot of different ways over the past couple decades and i get less hate mail about podcasts than most other forms um yeah so that's my theory is that people podcast because no one wants to sit there and like hate list i mean people like hate listening to clips that's why we all listen to those like clip shows where they take the right wing person and you know yeah show them saying something that we all think is not an

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It's like lichen that grows on the side of a wet building. It doesn't come from ads? No, I don't think so. Ads do organically grow a lot like lichen. They just start showing up and replicating. We really have no choice. But yeah, anyway. Yeah, it's a fact of nature.

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and sometimes, mostly, loyal to the Republic, went against the orders of their officers and sneaked rifles out to members of the CNT, an anarchist union. That's pretty based. It's the one day, as you will learn, this is the one day all cops took off from being bastards. Some of them, it turns out, are capable of doing the right thing, or were in 1936, I should say.

Yeah, if cops were handing out rifles to anarchists, that would be not a parallel that I can easily imagine in the modern context. Yes, yeah, somewhat unique, right? It doesn't mean that these people had not spent the past decades killing each other. It does not mean that they would not return to doing so within less than a year.

But just for a day, everything was hunky-dory um it's leftist christmas this pretty yeah this more or less is leftist christmas like uh because there's even like there's gifts uh they call them proletarian shopping trips um but what they do is uh requisition merchandise from stores and uh and distribute it to people who need it. Are you referring to armed robbery? Is that... That's a different thing. It's only armed robbery if somebody tries to fight back.

Otherwise, you just happen to be shopping with a gun. That's it. What if there is no law? Is it really a crime? I don't know. No one can say. It seems like they only robbed uh the shopkeepers who were turds uh people who like lent a lot of money uh at a very high interest rate things like that um in these proletarian shopping trips uh thing which

i'm not being against what happened i'm just i'm i'm uh stripping away some of the the niceties yeah yeah if people hadn't gathered uh they weren't picking up what i was putting down yes it is going into a shop with guns and taking things and giving them to people who need them uh yeah whether or not that is bad who can say uh robin hood famous villain in history yeah that's right uh yeah, bad, bad dude. Sheriff of Nottingham, on the other hand, would have been big into crypto, I'm sure. All around legend.

So when I said, if there is no law, I wasn't really joking. Like at this point, Luis Compant, who's the Catalan leader, he's a liberal leftist politician. And earlier that evening, he'd refused to open the armories. He realizes that things are out of his control. And so he sets off for a walk and he walks down the Rambla, right? If you've been to Barcelona, it's this big

old street. Now it's full of the kind of restaurants that have photographs on their menus so that German people can understand what they're going to eat um which is much of barcelona and american people but yeah uh people who don't speak catalan or spanish who go to barcelona can eat very well there for lots of money um if you've been on holiday you've probably been there i did not eat very well in barcelona really i um had almost no money and was vegan and my spanish was abysmal and my cot is non-existent so i mostly hung out and cooked pasta there are not a lot of cities i've been to where it's harder to eat vegan than barcelona yeah that is that is a challenge maybe belgrade yeah where the nat where the national dish is 30

pounds of meat on a plate yeah um sophia no sofia so i can't remember how to pronounce the name of the capital of bulgaria um also a hard place to eat vegan that was hard for me oh yeah that does not surprise me yeah yeah yeah surprise me it's a big part of the uh the catalan cuisine you'll be like oh yeah i'm having some lentils and then they'll be like, oh yeah, I'm having some lentils. And then they'll be like, psych, there's a pig in here. We put a whole fucking pig in this thing. We did reverse vegan. We made lentils out of pig. I just ate falafel.

Everywhere I go in Europe, I just eat falafel. You can crush some falafel. One of the Catalan national dishes is called capipota, which means head and foot, because those are the ingredients uh and it's uh it's bits of a pig that no one else wanted one of the american national dishes is also the uh head and feet of the face of a pig but they call it a hot dog at least the catalans are honest about it that's true but yeah it's better now to eat vegan i'm vegan and i was there in 2019 uh okay just have to move among the right circles um but yeah uh on the rambler it would be hard

um so that night companches walking down the rambler he's got his hat across his face so no one could see him and he's pulled up his collar kind of like an old-timey private eye. And up and down the Rambler, anarchists and socialists are stealing cars and welding armor plates to the front of them. Yes! Yes! Another time-honored anarchist tradition. Yeah.

King of War is the improvised technical. So what they do here is weld these steel plates, right? And then they write uh the name of the union on top just so people can know who's killing them one so they can keep track of their stolen cars yeah yeah that's right like yeah yeah you don't want anyone stealing your stolen car yeah yeah there comes a point in the next couple of weeks where uh some of the more ideologically committed anarchists uh will stop uh or take down traffic signals because they feel they're an unwarranted restriction on individual liberty there's twitter discourse yeah yeah get on that tank yes um time is a flat circle

yeah it's it's very funny um i'll bet they, I bet there was a contingent of them that were taking down libraries too for gatekeeping knowledge. Libraries are cops? Libraries are book prisons. Book pigs. Yeah. Yeah, they burned them. Just in a

classic anarchist fashion. Or we all know that libraries are better served under a free market system, like that one guy tweeted. Yes, Amazon should run the library, and every book should cost you $10. Yep, that's the only way we can grow as a society. If you don't like it, weld something to the front of your truck. Also, if you have an idea that's based on a book and Amazon owns the copyright, they now own the idea. That's the an idea that's based on a book and Amazon owns the copyright, they now own the idea.

That's the only thing that's fair. No thinking without proper copyright. Is it okay to use words if Jeffrey Bezos already owns words? No. Does that mean that we're going to be fighting the next one of these situations with, instead of spray painting C&T, someone's going to come by and spray paint Amazon Basics onto them with a third choice. I'm doing that tonight. I will be up-armoring my truck as soon as we're finished. Yeah, and spray painting Amazon Basics and then just going to the beach after that.

Actually, what they painted on them, there was CNT, there was UGT, there was FI. These are CNT, Confederación Nacional de Trabajo, right, a national labor confederation. This is an anarcho-syndicalist union. FI, Federación Anarquista Iberia, is the Iberian anarchist federation. They're a group within the CNT that is more committed to a hardline ideological ideological uh anarchism the ugt or a socialist union uh you have other groups too uh the poom is probably the only other one you need to know they are not trotskyites trotskyites anyone who tells you they are either

doesn't know what they're talking about or is consciously misleading you um they were in open beef with trotsky right like that there Like they are writing letters to Trotsky beefing about whether they should exist, which Trotsky is a no on that question. So yeah, they're not Trotskyists. They just get called Trotskyists by Stalinists because everyone who they don't like is a Stalinist, right? But they are anti-Stalinist Marxists,

is what I would call them uh okay what some folks do though uh is they paint uhp on top of their cars uh unidos hermanos proletarios i think it stands for uh um united proletarian siblings i guess and that's important right because these groups had been fighting among themselves and with each other for a very long time uh and and having like what appear today to be kind of comical beefs about inconsequential things but um they were important and then you know this ideological commitment is what gets them through this period of time but the uhp comes from asturias where anarchists and socialists had come together to fight against the state right to fight as part of a minor strike uh miners particular love for dynamite by the way um that's how they make sense yeah kings of the

dynamite throw um that that's how they dealt with the local garrison really uh and uh actually the first use of a combat helicopter was against uh the popular front the uhp in asturias and that strike was eventually put down by one francisco franco who we'll learn about later nice guy no problems with him that's a lie uh yeah shocking i know turns out to be a total turd of a human being yeah he was a wasn't he um oh no i'm going down a rabbit hole wasn't he like some sort of vaguely wasn't he like a right-wing syndicalist for a while yeah he had all kinds of sort of uh i don't think franco had any convinced political views other than like that he wanted to be in charge but yes he was like a radical syndicalist um i said right-wing syndicalist but yeah no but uh so a number of officers i don't know if franco was with the but there were like i don't know a group called the

radical party who were oh okay i see um i'm not sure if franco was one now that i think about it i try not to learn too much about the person of Francisco Franco because he is a turd. He does pivot. And he pivots when he's in power, right? From like a sort of more totalitarian project to this national Catholic project to sort of... Yeah, he's a problematic dude with no clear ideology other than he should be in power and he doesn't care who he has to roll over to get there.

That's a common political ideology it is yeah it pops up a lot on the right uh something something there with dudes on the right that maybe we should think about uh no it's never happened again and never in this country of course okay fortunately that's saying it could never happen right where we are. Yeah. Not in my backyard. That's the real name of the show, right? Yeah. America is different, I think, is the subtitle. And special. Okay, so...

Sorry. No, no, no. I'm just sad, though. Anyway. The people in Barcelona that day were even more numerous and diverse than the already bustling city was used to. The 19th of July was slated to be the start

of the largest anti-fascist spectacle the world had ever seen. That's a direct quote from a publicity article about the Popular Olympics, right? As I said, these games aim to show the strengths of the popular front with a series of events. Some of those events are the ones you might expect, but some of these events were designed

to reward nations with a healthy working class rather than nations with a few exceptional athletes, right? So we look at the Olympics today, having one or two exceptional athletes, especially in certain areas, can vault you to the top of the medal table right um medal table of course invented by the nazis to illustrate eugenics uh whoa really yeah yeah before 36 there was no olympics table uh not in the formal way that we see it now so much of the pageantry that we associate with the olympic games uh was uh invented by carl diem uh the torch relay uh the parade of flags in the opening ceremony like yeah the the olympics are fucking nuremberg like with the rainbow rings it's wild how much of that shit is cribbed

straight from nazi pageantry cool um the book called the nazi games pretty good on that if you want to read it um lots of books about the 36 olympics but yeah um i should just acknowledge that the uh the uh the international olympic committee did fund a lot of my research um for reasons that may be becoming clear have since ceased uh also they just didn't think i was very good i guess but uh anyway uh institution that has some shit to deal with that it hasn't dealt with i will say um and yeah it was on its bullshit heavily in 1936 right um so one of the things they did at the popular olympics was they had a 10 by 100 meter relay and it's just like uh i don't know do americans have school sports days yes i try to well i i don't remember anything about uh public

school sporting events okay uh at the risk of uh sort of unveiling more trauma uh what happens here no it's fine okay uh what happens here is that uh you line up right in groups of five and you just run back and forth uh passing a baton to each other um much like school sports day with the caveat being that the people in this event had to already be entered in other events at the games um so like you just get like weightlifters and uh there was a chess event at the games right so you get the chess athletes uh and they're just hauling ass as fast as their uh chess playing legs can carry them uh back and forth to prove the uh like superior health of their nation's working class

can we call them chess chess chess fleets chess fleetsets chess fleets yeah thanks yeah i really saved that one yeah you pulled it back yeah i'm proud of you um yeah they uh they didn't have any mathletes uh yeah sadly yeah they did have people who built human castles that's another event um really wait wait wait a castle made out of humans whoa wait you are not familiar with castells the uh like the great catalan tradition of building human towers no no okay like pivot uh it's fucked now uh one of my friends wrote her phd on these uh holy shit about something that they just made up just now listen okay a you can write your history phd about literally anything as long as no one else has written it before that is the scenic one on of history phds uh and uh i wrote my phd about the

anti for olympics right i wrote my masters about proletarian shopping trips uh that's cool yeah i thought so um at the time uh the yeah so castells right you you get your people at the bottom right and they sort of wrap a ribbon around their waist and then they they often bite the corners of their shirt i'm aware that i'm biting my shirt and this is mainly an audio medium um but uh they'll wrap their hands over the other people right uh men and women non-binary people, I'm sure, too. They form a big old circle. And then the next layer, climb up them, right? And stand on top of them, the slightly fewer people.

And the people get smaller, and the layers have fewer people in them, like concentric circles, right? As you get higher and higher. And then a small child, wearing always a horse riding helmet for reasons that are not entirely clear, ascends. And this shit is high like if you're standing on your balcony like you are eye to eye with this fucking toddler uh who climbs up the top get to the top like arm in the air and then climbs back down um

and these groups and people do this and people do this all the time yeah uh look america's national sport is is this thing where young men give each other brain damage. Oh, I'm not anti this. I'm just... I'm actually impressed by it because we do the

human pyramid thing, which is the same thing, only not nearly as impressive or interesting. No. Check out Castells. The cool thing about them is they exist within communities, right?

These calls, these groups of Castellers are groups of people who do this from a neighborhood, right? So they'll all be from a certain town. The Tarragona group was the one near me. And my friend's dissertation, Ida Ruiz-Botts, her name, you can probably look it up, pot's her name you can probably look it up um uh it was about like how this this practice has been integral into uh incorporating migrants into catalanness right like catalan identity by being like yeah come and uh come and stand on us or be stood on by us and you too can be catalan oh that seems like that would uh yeah that would bring a community closer together into a heap on the ground yeah it has all kinds of other uses right cat stuck up a tree just call those guys um yeah want to rob a

house yeah famously ladders are banned in catalonia uh because they're for cowards yeah yeah just yeah all day castells but yeah this was part of the popular olympics right uh human castles so uh i'm glad we went there uh for everyone who didn't know people googling that it's part of like the uh un like united nations protected human patrimony or something like it's uh it's it's important um so do you ever just like make up stuff to tell americans about and then and then we believe you because you have an accent i mean we have we have an accent too, sure, but like... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Luckily, your accents are all neutral and vanilla.

Yeah, exactly. The unmarked voice. Yeah, yeah. Let me know. I think I've told this story on the internet before, but one time I was giving a talk about diabetes in the Bronx and I asked if this kid wanted to, I asked these kids if they wanted to ask any questions and this young woman,

itching to ask a question, just goes, do you guys really have pies with meat in them? Like as if she'd been misled her whole life and I was able to confirm that for her. Savory pies like fucked me up when I was in France. I was completely unprepared for the existence of these things. I volunteered to cook for a bunch of activists who were busy having their meeting. And I was like, yeah, sure, I'll come cook for you. And I figured I would just like show up and make pasta or burritos because I'm an American. And they gave me a le menu. And on it was a tarte de legumes.

And I was like, I know what those words mean that means pie vegetables and that isn't that doesn't exist i don't know what the fuck you're talking about um this is not a very interesting story and now everyone's heard it but i i learned how to make a vegetable pie on no notice because that was what the menu insisted upon and yeah i i feel for this person in the bronx who wasn't convinced that you were telling the truth about meat pies yeah i'm if they're listening i was i promise uh look it up now they got google yeah the lesson we've learned there is don't cook for French people. Welcome.

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Listen to Better Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever else you get your podcasts. Check out betteroffline.com. So at the Games, one of the cool things is that nations compete instead of states, right? And we can fucking go off

on the difference between nations and states. A state is the entity that has political control and exercises a monopoly on legitimate violence in a geographic area a nation is an imagined community that exists across space and time that's the shortest i'm going to do that i'm not going to say anything okay what's a country between those uh a country is essentially it's a geographical area that a state controls okay cool but sometimes it's mapped onto nation as well right like uh catalonia being a good example but for most of the time people use it

synonymously with state um so uh countries aren't competing nations are right the exiled jews of europe are competing right because if you're jewish and it's 1936 you don't want to fucking like march in there with the german flag i would imagine yeah it doesn't feel good yeah like negative vibes so they don't do that there they are the exiled jews right and the uh anti-fascists who are exiled from germany and italy they also come in with their own different flags right um initially there was some rumblings about the naacp sort of competing uh but in the end, the United States team, which is made up of trade unionists, had black and white folks on it.

The organizers were actually so invested in like the, I guess, including oppressed black people from the United States within the remit of people who sort of anti-fascism wanted to advocate for that and they threw this whole olympics together in like three or four months it was shoestring budget it's funded by the french government the spanish government the catalan government individual donors and some trade unions from norway and they took their very sparse money and were like we will pay your way.

If you're black people from America want to come over here, because we understand it's shit over there. And if you want to come and play with us, then that's fine. Which is a cool like, fuck you to the fact that, because the whole Olympics is a fuck you to Nazi Germany, right? And so it's cool that it also was like, and fuck you to racism in the United States also. Like, I like that yeah and like it's also worth noting actually look while we're saying fuck you to the nazis and that like the people at the popular olympics like ran faster jumped higher were stronger uh like the olympics were extremely gatekept by class uh we see the we see that kind of crumbling like with your man jesse owens and stuff like that right but uh it

at this point there was still workers sports and bourgeois sports and bourgeois sports went to olympics right like uh the olympics still had an amateurism rule if you got paid for exercising you couldn't go uh and so yeah which meant that like working class people right like if you don't get paid time off and don't get paid time off it's 1936 then uh they can't go and compete right like if you don't get paid time off and it gets fucking paid time off it's 1936 then they can't go and compete right like if even if you work full-time and i say hey margaret i'll pay for a couple of weeks you know i'll make sure i take care of your rent so you can go and do the olympics nope uh if you run a benefit race after the olympics they will take your medal away holy shit tom longboat who they did that too they do that a whole lot to people who aren't white shockingly yeah um so yeah uh olympics not great actually maybe we'll do a whole earth bird and we'll have the olympics do some bad shit um but yeah these people come from america right uh on the team

it's charlie burley uh charlie burley goes on to be kind of a legendary uh boxer right he's biracial man uh from pennsylvania uh and dot tucker uh she's a black woman uh she ran her union in the bronx and she ran 100 meters as well yeah if i could plan that one out yeah i love a good written into the script uh like planned out it's good don't we all sound sarcastic but i actually mean it really honestly no it's good you can appreciate the joy that i'm feeling right now yeah um so uh that games brings 20 000 anti-fascist to barcelona right um some of them are watching some of them are competing uh some of them are staying in hotels the hotel olympic is where most of them stay but they ran out of space so about two weeks before the games they went around random houses and were like hey can you have someone to stay uh so lots of the athletes are just like crashing with people um it's kind of cool if you go to the

archive in barcelona you can see the little forms where they'd go up to a house and be like okay this person has two beds and they can take care of breakfast and that's two athletes who can stay here oh they they went door to door yeah it's heartbreaking seeing that shit and then knowing what happened um oh i was just thinking it was like a better way to um oh yeah like that's what airbnb should be you know yes yeah anarchist airbnb yeah if we compare this to the berlin olympic village uh where the condor legion stayed before they headed off to bomb people in spain uh we will see that one side is better than the other side. Yeah.

So these people are staying all across Barcelona, right? They trained in the stadium the day before. They distributed all around the city. So on the morning of the 19th, the Raquetes, these are kind of hardcore Catholic conservatives, they report to the San Antonio barracks outside of Barcelona. Meanwhile, at the Pedro Albe's barracks, officers get their troops up, I think it's at four in the morning, serve them a ration of rum for breakfast,

and tell them that there's been an anarchist uprising in the city that they have to put down. Which is a lie, right? This is a lie. Yeah, the uprising is in fact what they are doing as they march into the city um it's telling that they lie because the troops are conscripts and are not really bought into their nationalist crusade at this point um yeah uh and it's worth always remembering that like working class people get trapped up in wars often not by their own choosing well so it's kind of like how they're like you have to go out and fight antifa you have to go out and do a coup against the

united states because otherwise antifa who are all stalinists are going to turn the u.s into the ussr yes yeah yeah that's uh yeah there there's no parallel no that's that's not a parallel sorry oh okay no it could never happen here. And that's our big message for today. Yeah. So these guys, they start heading down a Vignola Diagonal, right, towards Plaza de Catalunya at the heart of the city.

The cavalry are on a different street, Calle Tarragona. There are dragoons on a different street. They leave a little later because the Spanish army is something of a clusterfuck. And they all planned to join up but they never did instead all across the city sirens sound the alarm in factories and where these troops have been planning to meet up with one another they met up with sniper fire

and those homemade bombs we talked about yeah yeah this is where shit gets gets good uh at the barricades they met men and women armed with everything from modern machine pistols to blunderbusses and slingshots yeah the blunderbusses are pretty cool you can find some pictures um many troops were forced back into their barracks some made it as far as a telephone exchange and the hotels ritz and cologne in the middle of the city what the troops who are incredibly poorly trained conscripts with little or no combat experience and even less willingness to fight, ran into was the most unlikely of alliances.

Catalonia's nationalists had governed the autonomous region since the declaration of the Republic in 1931. They formed a broad leftist alliance called the Escala Republicana de Catalunya. That means Catalan Republican Left. I would call them the ERC to avoid... It's a bit of an alphabet soup, but I'll try and explain where I need to. So before the Popular Front existed, they're kind of a proto-Popular Front. They combine liberal and leftist parties who share agreement on autonomous and progressive Catalonia. And they tend to be

either aligned with or to the left of the government in madrid most often to the left of um they don't have the support of the anarchists right that's important um luis compans who's the uh the leader right there um the catalan leader of the generalitat at that point has been a lawyer for the anarchist before so he may have more personal support than a party as a whole has among the anarchists um for decades right the police in barcelona have acted on behalf of capital against labor and they do violence for the people who own stuff against people who make stuff and even under the republic this has continued right they called it the republic of order um but margaret i think you covered the uh like the pistol right the years of the pistol

in the 1920s yeah yeah but um it was yeah they liked shooting the anarchists in order to yeah bring about order they and they it wasn't like a legal thing they weren't like oh it's our legal strategy it was just a like we're in charge so we will assassinate the anarchists and then the other thing that like i feel like is like thinking about, because if someone's hearing, you might be like, well, why does the government care if the anarchists are on their side? And it's, to my understanding, and correct me if I'm wrong, the anarchists are like a huge chunk of the working class of Barcelona at this point. So it's like they actually do care because it's a huge, huge swathes of people. The anarchists, by the end of the the night will own the city, right? And they have always been the majority of the Catalan working class in this period.

They control the way elections go, right? When the anarchists abstain, then the right wins. When the anarchists, they don't say don't vote. They're not like, yeah, go vote. They're like, don't maybe consider not abstaining. Then the popular front wins, right? Yeah, it's very funny how they use words. But yeah, the anarchists are the working class.

Most of the industries, most of the unions are anarcho-syndicalists, right? So you don't have to support the anarchists. You don't have to support the working class. In the 20s, the cops killed the anarchists. The anarchists killed the cops, right? This is how we get the famous affinity groups, right? Los Solidarios, Los Quijotes del Ideal, and Nosotros being some famous ones, right?

And we'll talk about them a little bit in the next episode, how that works and what they mean. So in 1931, the Declaration of Republic was a massive boost for the anarchists. More people joined anarchist unions. They felt safer doing so. Primo de Rivera, the previous dictator, had been very harsh on anarchists.

They actually briefly, in the Alte Obregat, secured libertarian socialism they took over some towns uh and uh like they they uh seized weapons from the cops and abolished currency for a week uh and it was just like yeah it's on it's anarchism yeah and so for five five days figolds belong to the people of of Figuols. And this is before, we're talking about before the coup and all of that. Yeah, this is in 1932. The Republic begins in 1931. So there's a number of these.

Early on in the Republic, when the state is less violently postured towards anarchism, the anarchists really fucking send it. You see it in Casas Viejas, you see it in Figuols. So yeah, more people join because they feel safer joining, and that leads to more open conflict with the sort of civil order, I guess. But with the threat of fascism looming, the CNT establishes defense committees. And these become like a quick reaction force for the city, right?

So by the time the troops leave their barracks, activists within the CNT were ready for them. Barcelona's Raval, a densely populated district just off the more tourist troops leave their barracks, activists within the CNT were ready for them. Barcelona's Raval, the densely populated district just off the more tourist-friendly Rambla, had become known as a barri chines. That means Chinatown. Not because Chinese people

or people of any Asian extraction live there. That's because they watched gangster movies about Chicago's Chinatown, and they were like, oh yeah, we can go that hard. Okay. They just called it that.ris elam has a great book on the construction of chinatown uh now people have been shooting each other in those streets for decades right but uh for once everyone in the

was pointing their guns out every balcony in the rival becomes a sniper's nest and by the time the sun came up it was an impenetrable fortress of the working class and and at this time the state would find itself begging the anarchists for support and not the other way around and i think that's maybe where we'll end it today uh so that people can be sort of teetering on the edge of their seats to know what happens next but thank you very much for joining me marg. Yeah. Would you like to plug anything? Do you have any pluggables? Well, I have a book

that's available for pre-order. It's called We Won't Be Here Tomorrow. And if you like a trans woman who robs guys and then feeds them to her mermaid lover,

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