It Could Happen Here - The Future of Abortion Access

Episode Date: May 17, 2022

We talk to Diana and Odile from The Brigid Alliance and the Midwest Access Fund about the impact of existing and new restrictions on abortion and what we can do moving forward to fight for abortion access. The Brigid Alliance: www.brigidalliance.org Midwest Access Coalition: www.midwestaccesscoalition.org The Apiary list of practical support organizations/abortion funds in the country:https://www.apiarycollective.org/pso-listSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wade. And yeah, today I'm here with Christopher Wong and Shireen Lonnie-Yunus, Midway producer Sophie. We have two guests from the Bridget Alliance and the Midwest Access Coalition. We're going to talk more about what they do in a second. Broadly speaking, both seek to attach people who are looking for reproductive health care and abortion access, attach people who are looking for reproductive health care and abortion access, but cannot get it easily in their area with clinics and the things that they need in order to get to the clinics, including transit and time in hotels, whatnot, in order to make it easier to get access to that kind of health care in places like the Midwest, where folks have been spending decades making it much more difficult, even prior to this recent ruling, to get that kind of health care.

So I'm going to let our guests introduce themselves. You've got the floor. Well, hi, I am Odile Shalit. I am the executive director at the Bridget Alliance. And I'm going to introduce my counterpart here. I'm Diana Parker-Kofka. I'm the executive director of the Midwest Access Coalition. And yeah, so y'all have been in some ways kind of dealing with elements of the post-Roe world, because obviously, like, you know, we're all focused on the Supreme Court decision that's in the pipeline. But anti-choice activists have been working very hard to essentially create a post-Roe world in chunks of the United States

prior to this point. So y'all have been kind of dealing with the reality that a larger number of people are going to be living under for a while, right? Yes. Yeah, Missouri has been able to effectively ban abortion in its state for years now. I think there's maybe a handful of abortions that the one clinic there are able to do because of all of the trap laws, which is the targeted restrictions for abortion providers

and the waiting period. So people have to go to another state, Kansas, Iowa, or Illinois for Missouri. And we've been helping those folks for years. And I'm going to guess this, I mean, just because you've been living in with this for a while, I'm going to guess the announcement last week did not come as a total surprise. The timing of it certainly did, which for Diana and I came at the heels of a conference that we were at, thankfully together, which is, was kind of just pure luck for us. So we could actually commiserate together. But no, ultimately,

this is not a huge surprise. I mean, I think we're all still waiting to see what actually happens in June, but the writing has been on the wall for months and years, if not longer. And, you know, as you were just pointing it out, essentially for organizations like the Bridget Alliance and the Midwest Sexist Coalition, we have been existing already because the protections of Roe are insufficient to actually secure abortion access for all in this country. So this has been our lived experience. And preparing for this moment has been a long time coming. And I'm sure there have been a number of conversations that have been going on about what to do and how to prepare for this. Right. Because the primary change is going to be at least initially until some they make some sort of federal push that states that have some sort of functional access to abortion are going to be flooded with an even higher number of people in need of care. access to abortion are going to be flooded with an even higher number of people in need of care. Could you kind of walk us through what sort of steps have been taken to in order to kind of

brace for that impact, so to speak? Yeah, so I think a couple of things and the first to sort of pull back on that for a second is to say that part of preparing for what's to come has been our orgs and the community that we exist in, this incredible expansive landscape of different types of organizations that have existed for decades to secure abortion access, where the laws were insufficient, where people were faced with barriers like income inequity and geographic inequity and the unavailability of providers. This network, though, has existed largely unseen. And so a lot of preparing for what is to come is really embracing our existence, feeling

affirmed in that and in our value, not shying away from the expertise within this community, which is held both by volunteers as well as staff. And so I think a lot of the last couple of years has been focusing on really trying to harness that expertise and that knowledge and compassion. And the fact that many of the people who are leading a lot of the efforts in the reproductive justice movement are people who have had abortions themselves, which is an enormous and valuable part of how this movement moves and hopefully will continue to center the people most impacted by the fall of Roe. I think more specifically for Bridget and orgs like MAC, preparation means deepening our relationships with the clinics that we work with. They are critical, of course, and their sanity is critical to abortion access, is making sure that we have the sufficient funding to continue to staff, train, vet, volunteers systematically and mindfully.

systematically and mindfully, and ideally do so in a sustainable way so that we're not all overwhelming ourselves with the sudden surge of need and the sudden surge of impact. And then, you know, for Diana and I even personally, it means deepening the relationships that us practical support organizations have with one another, because no one organization is going to be able to help every single abortion seeker who will need to travel. It will rely upon really strong and transparent collaboration. So those are some of the things that we've been focusing on. Welcome. I'm Danny Thrill. Won't you join me at the fire and dare enter? Nocturnum, Tales from the Shadows, presented by iHeart and Sonora.

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where we get into todo lo actual y viral. Listen to Gracias Come Again on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. wherever you get your podcasts. One of the things that strikes me as a problem that's going to be, if not immediate, then pretty imminent for y'all is we've already seen threats and promises from legislators in some states

to attempt to criminalize leaving a state where abortion is illegal in order to get access to health care? How, what kind of preparation is even possible for that sort of world? Because it does seem like we're staring down the barrel of that. Yeah, I think the only preparation we can have right now is to expect that the courts will allow them to do that. They're very creative now that they've seen SBH go into effect and hold on as the law of the land, even though it's in direct violation of federal law. SCOTUS, the highest court of our country, is the one that has been allowing that to

happen. is the one that has been allowing that to happen. And so that sends a huge message to all these forced birth legislators that, you know, bring us your worst take on the law. We will find a way to let you keep it. We're working with you on this and you just need to get bolder and bolder and see what you can get away with uh so we can't really predict how they're going to do that although Missouri has uh indicated that they're going to consider an egg as soon as it's fertilized a resident and um a resident of the state that they have you know responsibility for protecting um completely of the state that they have, you know, responsibility for protecting, completely ignoring the fact that it's growing inside a complete human being that has rights. But that's the latest that I've heard of them figuring out how to restrict someone's travel um but it would require a significant shift in how we understand

constitutional law and um the basis for our legal system yeah and that that seems like something that i don't know like really genuinely seems to be on the table in this moment i mean we have i think it's louisiana who's trying to like part part part of their bill is that they like literally it says that they can disobey the federal government which we had a civil war about that we had we had a nullification crisis about that we like so yeah i guess i'm wondering what your impression is on, like, how far this can go. Like, do we get to the point where states can just, like, tell the federal government no? Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, that's what the architect of the ISP8 law essentially told the court is that they don't have jurisdiction. And all the laws that they have passed in the 1800s are actually enforceable and the federal government has no authority to stop them and there the fifth district and SCOTUS has indicated that no maybe you are right maybe that is the correct way to interpret our constitution so So I feel like all of that, all of our decades, centuries of figuring out what the law means for this country is just up in the air. And

we may be looking at laws now that are just more and more bizarre, as long as we may be looking at laws now that are just more and more bizarre. Um, as long as, you know, the GOP and the right have control over so many bodies of our government, you, it really is.

I can't even fathom. I don't think we can predict what's going to come. Honestly. Um, I mean, I'm also wondering to put it crudely will legislators in states that are currently committing because we have seen a number of states california kind of leading the pack committing to maintain um access to to to abortion and other forms of reproductive health care that are being threatened right now.

Do you feel like you have a good chance that they are going to back you, especially in the event of laws that would potentially open people like you up to criminal charges just for trying to support people in getting reproductive health care outside of their state? Is your question, do we think that elected officials that are pro-choice are going to back us? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's entirely possible that we're going to see some sort of federal law that not just criminalizes abortion or even prior to that criminalizes aiding people in seeking abortion outside of states that have banned it, right? That's on the table. How does that change the landscape for you? Do you suspect that like,

in kind of a similar way to how some of these, some of the legislators in states trying to ban abortion have said, like, we're just going to ignore federal law if it contradicts our state law? Do you think that, do you think that pro-choice legislators in states, you know, like California are going to be willing to go to the mat and protect you? Or are we, I mean, think that um do you think that pro-choice legislators in states you know like california are going to be willing to go to the mat and protect you or are we i mean yeah i guess i i i know this is kind of an unknown but i'm kind of these must be conversations that y'all are having right i mean i really freaking hope that they are and if they're listening please please prepare to do so. And it's been really heartening to see states like California and Oregon and Illinois and New York and Connecticut, for instance, come up with really clear language around their support of not just choice, which was the language of the past, but abortion and are saying that and are starting to invest in things like abortion funding and travel to themselves actually,

you know, put forth their own efforts to contribute to the people who will need to travel into their states. And, you know, Diana was just speaking the other day with a bunch of elected officials in Chicago. So I think, I think this is also why what I was talking about earlier in terms of orgs like ours coming, coming into the light is so important is that we were going to need those relationships with those politicians. We're going to need them to know us and see us and understand that we're a critical part of how we're going to serve their constituents and that,

yeah, we're going to need them to back us will they i can't say definitively but i really freaking hope so yeah yeah and hopefully those you know as odile said uh just now i was um in a press conference yesterday the city the mayor's office announced this fund to support abortion procedure funding and practical support. And my hope is with municipalities, we'll talk to each other and give each other the models for doing this protective, preemptive support for people traveling to our states for abortion care. for abortion care. And yeah, I'm in talks with the ACLU in Illinois to talk about potential bills that are floating around to even further protect abortion in this state. Specifically, I know of one that wants to explicitly protect providers from being extradited or sued or shut

down by prosecutors in other states that want to claim that they have jurisdiction because like they like i said they figured out a way to give residency status to fertilize eggs or something you know i still can't get over that just completely fucked that that's kind of what we're staring at right like that that's that's a thing that you have to be concerned with is like out of state law enforcement i don't know like and that's the thing no one knows what it's going to look like right like we know that they have a vested kind of interest already in in doing parts of this through bounties which is kind of like the thing that i'm worried about are we going to see like out of state law enforcement bounty hunting people trying to folks up with reproductive health care and i guess that's just kind of an unknown at this point but

it's right and it really depends on like our local protected state jurisdiction like how far are they gonna go to protect us from those entities that are going to try to come in for us um just this just today uh one of our staff members tweeted about practical support funds and who to support throughout the country that provides the sort of travel logistics help for people. And they got followed by a sheriff's department in Missouri. Oh, fun.

Yeah, so they're already, you know, targeting and surveilling abortion seekers and the people who support them. Yeah. And of course, I'm sure that there's a degree to which some of these folks are working with, shall we say, like non-state actors in order to like, I know they've been prepping with that for a while as well. Absolutely. with that for a while as well. Absolutely. What is, I mean, one of the things that I know, because I've been having some conversations with friends of mine who are in,

like, I guess we could say, adjacent organizations to where y'all work and who were at, in some cases, the convention you were at, who are concerned that as providing people with reproductive health care becomes illegal, there's going to be a lot of fair weather friends kind of revealed and i i i am interested like is this a thing that in order to be engaged in providing people with reproductive health care you have to be willing to engage in

illegalism at this point like is that really where we are that's really interesting question yeah as as member like as 501c3s uh you know uh looked at by our state governments our federal governments we can't engage in anything that's legal. But people have forever on their own done things that the state has considered illegal in order to have bodily autonomy. There are people who can't afford it. There are people who are just so far from the nearest clinic that they can't even fathom how to make that trip. There are undocumented folks. them how to make that trip. They're undocumented folks. There are people near the borders that can't even physically move past a border checkpoint because they're just trapped there and can't get care in other parts of their state where it's available. So that will be a thing i think that is going to increase because the need will

not decrease um and i i do not like my organization can't really say anything about that but you know personally i'm like you do whatever it takes to live your life and thrive. Laws are made up, especially now. Yeah, that is nice to hear. Because, you know, I try to keep abreast of the sides of this fight that are, you know, working through 501Cs and the like and engaging in electoralism. through 501Cs and the like and engaging in electoralism, the people who are, you know, doing stuff like trying to figure out ways to provide access to like miso pills and whatnot to people, because that's just where we are. Welcome, I'm Danny Thrill. Won't you join me at the fire and dare enter

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I'm a little frustrated that it took this moment for people to realize what has been happening in this country for the past decade few decades honestly this is this is a very long game uh for the antis but ever since Trump was put into office and started just flooding the federal courts with very young very anti-conservative judges and SB8 was a huge flag but I think I was surprised that there was a mass amount of people that were going to step up when the decision came out. It gives me hope. I hope it's sustained for the many, many years we're going to need practical support and abortion funds while we fight for our legal rights. Yeah, so I guess the surprise is a mixed bag for me.

Yeah, I was going to say something similar that I think I've been pleasantly surprised at how well educated and informed a lot of our supporters and newer supporters are about, as Diana mentioned, the existence of abortion funds and practical. So like, this is really remarkable and important, but what's more, there seems to be also like a deeper understanding of why we have to exist. It doesn't seem to be shocking people quite as much, although there certainly are still tons of people who are shocked by this, but for many, they're not shocked that for some, abortion has simply been inaccessible and what those reasons are. And, you know, that's thanks, obviously, to a lot of the really hard, important conversations that have been had over the last couple of years about racial justice. And I think that, you know, it's a silver lining for sure. But I'm grateful to find that the depth of the conversations is there now. And hopefully,

that means that the commitment is going to be sustained and long term. Because this is a little bit of deja vu for us in the sense that we've had little moments like these ever since our organizations existed. When a single ban goes into place or is threatened to go into place, this like swell occurs. I'm using my hands a lot, which obviously you can't see if you're listening to me right now. So I'm going to put my hands down. And, you know, and that brings out a lot of really incredible donors and a lot of really incredible offers for volunteers. And then they tend to go away.

And especially when Biden was, you know, elected, there was definitely this like moment where everyone was like, okay, we're cool, right? We're chill. This guy hasn't said the word abortion, but we're still fine. And we're not, we're like the furthest from fine. So yeah, again, like, pleasantly surprised that people seem to have a sense of why we're here yeah i just wanted to bring up that website did biden say abortion yet.org i think oh yeah one of our colleagues has a big no i mean just like it's so unfortunately hilarious to me um but i'm just really glad it exists um and then they someone reached out to the,

someone in the Biden administration to make a comment on this. When the, when the, the draft was leaked and they said, well, we tweeted it or like whatever it's, and it's like, it's,

he said it once in a tweet and like once in like a statement or something. So I just think it's very funny. I don't know what more we want. I just think it's important funny. Well, there you go. I don't know what more we want. I just think it's important to what you were saying earlier, how legislators in like Oregon or California, like it's so important

they're saying the word abortion, not just pro-choice, because I think a lot of people are, a lot of people are scared about that word for some reason, or it sounds scary to them if they're not that educated about what pro-choice means

or what abortion means. So I think I have a little bit more hope seeing more people even saying that word. Yeah, we really have to take that. Yeah. Yeah. I think the statistic is something like the antis have been using the word abortion three times as much as we have. And that is why it's so stigmatized

and difficult to talk about. And I definitely try to encourage people to say the word abortion, to talk about abortion with everyone they know, just so we can stop hiding. I guess kind of the last thing I'd like to ask, and we can cut this bit if this winds up not being something you want to get into,

but have you felt an additional need to worry about, given how public you are in your advocacy, personal protection as things kind of have heated up? You know, we were recently at the conference that you mentioned before, and it definitely, with all of my colleagues in one place it definitely made me feel a little vulnerable for myself and them but honestly the the people who are targeted are the providers by far um i'm not worried about my physical safety um i'm worried about the physical safety of our of our providers and the fact that our government is responding to

peaceful protesters outside Kavanaugh's house and talking and asked for I think Susan Collins on the sidewalk outside her residence results in legislation being passed to protect all somehow got together for once in their lives to do something about the terrorists who chalked sidewalks homes um uh is it's it's really demoralizing um because we have our providers have seen violence and um yeah they've seen violence almost every day murders acid attacks bombings um yeah chris shereen do you have anything else you wanted to get into yeah i wanted to ask one thing

so you know okay seeing this sort of increasing fecklessness of our politicians even by their standards and you know their response to this being let's give more power to the u.s marshals which is a great idea yeah worst idea i've ever seen. What can just people do about this? We talked about giving to abortion funds, but how can people get involved and how can people get involved in a way that's sustainable over the long term? Yeah, I mean, definitely give to abortion funds, give to practical support organizations like the Midwest Access Coalition and the Bridget Alliance. If you are interested in volunteering, reach out to your local organization. There are a couple of really great resources for lists of those organizations and where they are, like the National Network of Abortion Funds. And you do bear with all of us because we are handling a flurry of emails.

And that's incredible. But we won't be able to plug you in immediately. It might even take a little bit of time. But then I think that, you know, voting is still critical, especially in local in any local elections, especially if we're thinking about how we're going to prevent the possible criminalization of abortion seekers and of abortion providers we need to make sure that we've got good judges and good local elected officials at the very least so do not stop doing that um yeah i think those would be the things that i would say focus on and the thing that i always say which is just like, talk about it. Like I am totally that person who is like the downer at the dinner party

talking about abortion, but be that person and go and talk about it and share why it's important and how it's not just about abortion and it's not just about women. It's about families. It's about parents. It's about queer folks.

It's about immigrants. It's about parents. It's about queer folks. It's about immigrants. It's about minors. We've got a lot to be worried about right now. So don't stop talking, listening, reading, consuming, whatever you can. Yeah. And just to jump off that, if you are in a safe state, you're not going to be safe forever. in a safe state, you're not going to be safe forever. They're going to come after us. They're going to come after the legislators, the Supreme Courts of those states. They're usually a thin margin as far as conservative versus progressive judges on state Supreme Court. So find out who your local org is that is leading that voter turnout to make sure that people are voting for the right judges to go in. And also, I want to lift up escorts. Escorts are on the ground many days of the week. They will put you to work, and they're going to be needed

more and more. Yeah, I think that's all very important and a good note to end on. Does anyone else have anything else? Or should we let y'all get back to your very important work? And thank you again for making the time for us. Absolutely. Thank you for covering this and talking about it. Yeah.

Yeah. Appreciate it. Happy to do so. We'll be continuing to do so we'll be we'll be continuing to to do that and i hope you all um um jeez i don't even know what to say like i i hope you um i hope you fuck shit up for the people who are fucking shit up you know we'll try our very very best absolutely yeah i hope the support doesn't like dissipate as like yeah the trend goes away or whatever, you know?

I think that's so disheartening if that happens. And, like, hopefully the flood of emails, not necessarily remains a flood for you, but, like, I hope that people are actually serious about doing something. And I think this time they might be, just because I keep being surprised about little things. So I'm not going to expect anything anymore. Maybe people will surprise me. Yeah. But I really appreciate the work you do. So thanks for coming on to talk to us.

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