It Could Happen Here - The Heritage Foundation's Anti-Trans Booklets

Episode Date: September 18, 2024

Garrison is joined by Mia and James to read from their collection of Heritage Foundation 'Gender Ideology' pamphlets obtained at the RNC.https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-03-28/opinion-gender-affirming-care-is-not-new-or-experimental https://abcnews.go.com/Health/england-nhs-halts-puberty-blockers-transgender-youth/story?id=108077330 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9793415/ https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/health/ohio-transgender-teen-hearing-judge-decision/index.html https://www.ncregister.com/cna/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-catholic-couple-s-lawsuit-over-transgender-child-custody https://themicheab.medium.com/breaking-down-point-5-of-gender-ideology-harms-children-cf1b9beb7d4 https://www.thetrevorproject.org/blog/new-study-finds-gender-affirming-hormone-therapy-linked-to-lower-rates-of-depression-suicide-risk-among-transgender-youth/  https://www.peprec.research.va.gov/PEPRECRESEARCH/docs/Policy_Brief_24a_Gender_Affirming_Surgeries.pdf    https://apnews.com/article/loudoun-virginia-lawsuit-transgender-bathroom-sexual-assault-a26168568cc20c2aa6cec9bef50e7c3f   https://www.damemagazine.com/2023/08/14/the-gop-has-a-master-plan-to-criminalize-being-trans/    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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My name is Garrison Davis. I am joined by James Stout and Mia Wong to talk about some of our favorite people to hate, the Heritage Foundation. Hello, everybody. Hi, Garrison. Hello. Oh, God, I got brought in to talk to the Heritage Foundation? Oh, everybody. Hi, Garrison. Hello. Oh, God, I got brought in to talk to the Heritage Foundation. Oh, no. What a week. What a week. So, people have been talking

a lot about the Heritage Foundation's Project 2025 because it is a massive document that is honestly too long to actually read. But it does does focus on lgbtq issues for a decent a decent chunk of the book mainly finding different ways to both legalize and protect discrimination against lgbtq people and like banning the public presence of lgbtq materials deemed deemed pornographic in public life especially especially schools, libraries, all that kind of stuff, right? It's kind of this nationwide don't say gay bill type thing, along with legalizing and protecting

people's right to discriminate against queer people. So that's kind of the bulk of the tactics that are laid out in the Heritage Foundation's Project 2025. But Trump and a whole bunch of Republicans have been doing a lot of work to distance themselves from this document. At the RNC, I was kind of surprised that I did not hear a single mention of Project 2025, unless I was the one to bring it up when talking with people. They didn't like talking about it because they know it's kind of this toxic thing now. They kind of showed their power level,

to use an ancient phrase. Yeah, who could possibly have guessed for the document where they talk about bringing back the gold standard was going to be unpopular with literally everyone, including their own base? Yeah, I mean, I don't think that's the reason why it's unpopular. I think it's all of why it's unpopular i think it's all of like the dictator fascism stuff but the gold standard bit's pretty funny even at the

heritage foundation booth not a peep about project 2025 it's like the biggest thing they've done in like the in the last decade arguably not a single peep but they did have a whole bunch of other like merch a whole bunch of little like pamphlets papers i love papers i love little documents a little ephemera printed ephemera yeah i love collecting all this little stuff and it just sits on a pile on my desk for like way too long and in this case it's set on a pile on my desk for about two months and the pile became too big and too unruly and now we're gonna actually go through the pile of stuff great and talk about the types of things that the heritage foundation actually

did have out on their table specifically relating to gender identity oh good which is their term of choice for these issues now like gender identity quote quote unquote, transgenderism, were frequent talking points at the Republican National Convention, way more so than the Democratic National Convention, in which they were kind of just brushed aside as a political inconvenience. But at the RNC, these things were front and center. Almost every single person giving a speech on the main stage at least name-dropped gender ideology in some way to receive thunderous applause from the crowd. So it certainly was a very common topic brought up. And here's what the actual literature that was proliferating at the event had to say about it.

So let's start. Let's start. Pamphlet number one. How to speak up about gender identity. Questions and answers driving the debate. How to speak up about gender identity. Questions and answers driving the debate. So it's a debate is the first thing we need to know about gender identity.

Again, I'm not just reading out all of their propaganda. I think there is some use in actually learning what they're saying in their biggest convention. And then actually, not like debunking, because like, come on I know who our audience is but at least actually laying out what they're saying and how it relates to the actual information, I think does have some use. So I will be quoting from the Heritage Foundation saying some pretty stupid things, but then

we will kind of springboard a discussion and I do have some little fact checks on some of these very common lies that you're now seeing get repeated so often. You may be trying to be tricked into thinking that they are real. So we're going to tackle the quote unquote, the big questions. What are sex, gender and gender identity? I'm sure this five page pamphlet will tell me all I need to know about the topics of what are sex, gender, and gender identity.

Yeah, I can't wait to learn. They figured it out. They figured it out. There's this centuries-long discussions have been resolved. What do gender dysphoria and transgender mean? And how do gender identity policies affect me and my community? I think this is largely targeted towards like, I mean, it's targeted towards people at the RNC so like people in their 60s like grandparents is this a how to talk to your friend about the transgenders

booklet? kind of, it's more so like oh no, your grandkids are maybe a little gay with it your blue haired grandchild what does that mean? I think that's kind of what the main demographic is okay, anyway, here we go Yeah, your blue-haired grandchild with the pronouns. What does that mean? What is that about?

I think that's kind of what the main demographic is. Okay. Anyway, here we go. The common understanding that there are only two sexes in human beings, male and female, determined by each person's biology, has been the cultural norm and the basis for our laws since our nation's founding. Has it, though? Has it? That's a good question.

I'm not going to do this because we'll take fucking an hour, but this isn't true. It will, and obviously they're not going to mention intersex people, they're not going to mention any of that stuff. Yeah, or that every indigenous culture has multiple gender words. No, no, no. We'll just leave that out. Because only recently have we seen a

shift away from this objective and scientific no citation uh understanding towards an ideology that says a person's gender is determined by what they believe they are parenthesis gender identity rather than their biological sex and should be legally recognized. The transgender movement has rapidly advanced laws and policies that give special rights and protections to some people while infringing on the rights of others. This is a talking point that was brought up a lot when I was a kid around trans people, how they have special laws that give them more rights than your average person and that's why like a good like conservative uh basis should be opposed to them even if you're like you know uh accepting you may not like agree with them but you're not gonna like kill them

but they shouldn't have like extra rights that was that was a big thing is framing framing uh things that either protect trans people from discrimination or framing things that ensure their health care as like special extra rights not provided to like regular regular americans yeah this is like a huge thing with just the basis of all political conservatism is they all believe that like like they all believe that immigrants have like a secret health care system that they have access to and that like black people have like welfare and they're like indigenous people get into schools for free and it's just like yep no it's all based on never talking to anyone who isn't like you yeah in addressing the conflicts that emerge in addressing the conflicts that emerge what are you talking about the the government

must protect everyone's rights and fundamental freedoms. The introduction of the concept of gender identity into recent legislation raises concerns about privacy, safety, fairness, liberty, and its impact on children. It threatens the freedom of religion and conscience. What? Freedom of conscience. What does that mean? Because it's not just a religious objection my conscious uh tells me that trans people are icky my conscience tells me i should

have this person's house does that let me have it i mean it should yeah yeah my conscious tells me a whole lot of shit does it it means you can't not like trans people. The government's going to come for you if you don't like trans people. Is that what they mean? I think they are legitimately scared of that, yeah. Okay. But it also threatens freedom of speech, equal protection, and parental rights. This radical redefinition of sex could dramatically alter our society, creating significant disadvantages for some, women and girls okay all right

so there we go that's that's that is that is the introduction now on to page two all individuals have human dignity and should be treated with respect citation needed uh yeah including including those who identify as transgender and note they're very careful to never actually say trans people or transgender people there's people who identify as transgender and there's there's transgender activists and gender ideology activists they they take great care to never actually say trans people are doing this they say trans activists are doing this it creates this degree of separation that that's one kind of a little rhetorical tactic that i noticed when first looking through this yeah i think this is also kind of a legacy of the sort of trans tipping point and how accepted things had gotten we're

like i remember this with like alex jones in like like even like 2022 2023 would say like the most transphobic thing you've ever heard but it would be prefaced with there's some trans people are fine people i don't mean this to hate trans people then say like yeah coming to rape your dog or something yeah yeah anyway but by labeling realistic concerns and scientific objections as oppressive transgender activists have shut down open, robust dialogue over the consequences of gender ideology and gender identity policies. The serious real-world effects of gender identity policies on individuals and communities must be taken into consideration. Many treatments promoted by transgender activists are untested, can cause serious side side effects and come with irreversible

developmental consequences when performed on children so this is this is my first kind of pause because this is a claim that is we've been seeing i would say at an increasing rate ever since matt walsh's documentary this was like one thing that he really tried to like invent specifically that like quote unquote like puberty blockers cause sterilization. I'm like, yeah, you can't reproduce when you're on them, obviously, but you can when you go off of them. But that's something that they never talk about. They frame it

as this permanent thing. Samantha Rosenthal has an opinion piece in the LA Times that talks about the very long history of trans healthcare in the United States. Modern trans healthcare goes back to the 1960s, and hormone therapy has been used to assist cisgender children in puberty since at least the 1940s.

These things are not untested. These are medical practices with a long history. And saying that there's irreversible developmental consequences when performed on children, like the FDA approved hormone blockers for children back in 1993. We have been using these for quite a long time. And these false claims are actually causing some significant harm. I'm going to quote from ABC News here.

Quote, England's National Health Service has banned the use of puberty blockers for the treatment of gender dysphoria or gender incongruence in transgender minors. The NHS has not stated it will restrict puberty blockers for non-transgender children and young people. An NHS spokesperson told ABC News, the agency hopes to have a study into the use of puberty blockers in place by December of this year,

with eligibility criteria yet to be decided, unquote. So they are just like starting to ban these. And of course, we've seen this in the United States as well. But this is like the National Health Service. This is like a really, a really big organization that's only banning it for trans people, not for cisgender children. So like, it's really devastating.

I think it's important to note too that this is the exact, one of the exact same lines that anti-vaxxers use. And you know, that's anti-vax campaigns have been a lot of those sort of model for how a tax on trans healthcare works. like yeah this this is this is literally the line that these same people will say about vaccines it's like oh the rna vaccine is like we we tested it on most of the population and everyone's fine so you know and before i did a

clinical trial for covid vaccines before they were released. So did thousands of other people. Yeah, no. And in terms of puberty blockers, these have been used and tested for decades. Like these are not a new technology. It's even funnier because, again, it's like, well, OK, so like we will give them to cis children. Like, yeah, it's with this stuff.

It shows how fake it is. I mean, I read one other quote from this ABC article. Quote, the Endocrine Society, an international organization of more than 18,000 endocrinologists, calls the medication, quote unquote, fully reversible. Once blockers are stopped, puberty continues with little to no proven side effects, according to health professionals, unquote. unquote. And there was a recent study in 2022 in the journal JAMA, which found the use of puberty blocking drugs did not lead to an increased chance of receiving gender affirming therapy in the future, and actually were slightly less likely to, given the extra time to explore gender in the body without the onset of irreversible effects of puberty. Possible bone density loss is largely remediated upon the presence of sex hormones whether from

either just ceasing the blockers or starting hrt and this study also says at the end that perhaps we should just stop using the term puberty blocker because it makes it sound like it just completely blocks puberty like from ever happening like it just is like you know now you don't go through puberty yeah and instead opts to say like maybe we should just describe what the drug does mechanistically and clinically because maybe puberty blocker is just is just a it implies something more than what the drug actually like does temporarily yeah so i i found that to be an interesting note and the whole point of of and this is something we'll probably talk about later the whole point of this drug is is so that you can have more time to actually decide what you want to do with your body and your gender and most people that do go

on on blockers whether sister or not are doing it to prevent irreversible changes from puberty and most people opt to to not actually go on cross-sex hormones and that's like a successful treatment like that is that that is what the drug is supposed to do but there's definitely this idea among these like anti-trans activists that like if you go on blockers that means you're more likely to become quote-unquote like fully trans in the future which also just like isn't true but do you know what is reversible not liking their products and services that support this podcast you can you can reverse that and make it so you really like them which helps us a little bit probably i assume i don't know i don't think so

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consent to being used in it hate propaganda the next section is called what are sex gender and gender identity the best biology psychology and philosophy all support and understanding that sex is a bodily reality and that gender is a social manifestation of bodily sex the best biology that's simply not true the best philosophy yeah oh my god um now this claim actually does have a citation so it's true now let me check the citation uh the citation is oh oh oh wait wait wait oh the citation is when harry became sally responding to the transgender movement the the the anti-trans book from 2018 by ryan t anderson oh god that's not a real philosophy biology or psychology book oh okay well he won best philosopher anyway i don't know what you're

talking about the best all agree it's so good um now sex sex is a biological reality referring to an organism's overall organization towards sexual reproduction in human beings just like every other species that sexually reproduces this organism includes the chromosomes we inherit from our parents and the reproductive organs systems genitalia and hormones that develop as a consequence as there are two reproductive systems there are two sexes just like every other species that sexually reproduces this is completely consistent i get no citation because that's not that is not how biology actually works. No. Nor is your genitalia necessarily determined by your chromosomes.

Nope. But sure, why not? The best biology all support this understanding. The best biology from a first grade textbook. Actually, that's unfair to first grade textbooks, which are largely blameless in this matter. It is. It is unfair. Yeah yeah no one's sticking genitalia in a first grade textbook

this organization isn't just the best way to figure out which sex you are it's the only way to make sense of the concepts of male and female really really yeah the only way yeah what an interesting sociological statement made by the heritage foundation that the only differences are purely mechanistical um and there really is no social uh basis that determines what the concepts in male and female relate to what an interesting opinion that i'm sure is consistent across all of the heritage foundations yeah it's gonna say you can pull out another booklet and call them on their ship with their own words gender by contrast is the way one expresses their biological sex we shouldn't pretend that there are no differences between

male and female because the biological reality is that there are we also shouldn't be trapped in rigid gender stereotypes transgender activists deny that sex is a bodily reality. They argue what's perceived gender identity represents who a person really is, even if it goes against their biological sex. They deny their biological reality by suggesting that biological sex was merely assigned at birth. A little known fun fact, you actually can like scientifically change your biological sex.

Yeah, rules. It takes a little bit of it rules it takes a little bit of time it takes a little bit of effort but your biological sex can actually just be like completely changed this is something that is not like set also there is literally there is literally physically a document where your doctor assigns you a sex at birth yeah i come on yeah no it it is a box that they must tick it's not even like a not a line that they get to write in whatever they want you know like no but the cool thing is is that when you change which sex hormones your body is is dominant in it actually changes the sex and the functions of your body pretty interesting stuff actually i don't care about my chromosomes but as soon as we want to do more gene tampering i guess that that could be fun but i don't really care you can also change body parts

out so that's cool i know i know they're working on those womb transplants but i'm not into that freaky stuff um anyway um according to the american psychological association gender identity refers to a person's internal sense of being male female or something else hey something else nice um it is distinct from either sex or gender activists claim it is a person's internal sense of gender activists claim they also assert that it's more than just male or female it's fluid and there's a spectrum of various options beyond man and woman like gender fluid intergender or non-binary i've never heard the term intergender before that's yeah yeah that's it's a new one but i guess if they acknowledge

the existence of intersex people that kind of fucks up the premise of that whole thing no this is intergender maybe that's what it is yeah but yes maybe that's what it is they can't say intersex yeah it destroys their their whole shame so they've transposed intersex isn't like an identity it's like an actual like completely like medical thing i don't think they've they fully understand this shit garrison i think it's it's possible you're right you're sorry sorry i forgot i'm reading from a heritage foundation pamphlet they may be coming from a place of hate. All right, let's talk about gender dysphoria now. Let's.

Gender dysphoria refers to the distress someone experiences when they have a disconnection between their bodily sex and internal sense of gender. The diagnostic label gender identity disorder was used by the DSM until its reclassification as gender dysphoria in 2013 with the release of the DSM-5. They really want that old DSM until its reclassification as a gender dysphoria in 2013 with the release of the DSM-5. They really want that old DSM back. They want it so bad. Yeah, before the DSM went woke.

They really want DSM-4. Transgender can refer to a man who identifies as a woman or a woman who identifies as a man. Some activists go so far as to say that a trans woman is a woman. Crazy. The horror.

Not all people who suffer from gender dysphoria identify as transgender. Not everyone who identifies as transgender suffers from gender dysphoria. Surprisingly woke statement. It's a surprisingly controversial and woke statement from Heritage Foundation here. Anti-transmed, anti-truscum

Heritage Foundation. What the fuck, Baze? statement from heritage foundation here anti-transmed anti-true scum heritage foundation what the fuck base it's the seven people who who get that you're welcome for everyone else i swear to god that's very funny it's it's it's a little funny oh funny oh i was workshopping some kind of like tumblr post style joke but this there's i still have like two pages of this pamphlet so now how do gender identity policies affect me and my community the question on every republican grandparents mind the first area of concern privacy privacy concerns arise when a man who identify as women can enter female only spaces. For example, changing rooms, gym class, they're doing bathroom stuff.

Yeah. That's what they're doing. The reason we have separate facilities in the first place is not because of a gender identity, but because of the bodily difference between males and females. That's interesting. Right. I wonder what happens when some of those bodily differences start to change or your social roles in male and female also change.

Like a young trans girl going into the men's bathroom. That could maybe be a little bit uncomfortable. Anyway, preventing sexual assault is another major area of concern when gender identity determines who may enter a women-only space. Public safety experts, such as Kenneth V. Lanning, former FBI supervisory special agent assigned to the behavioral science unit. They're doing the Buffalo Bill. At the National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime at the FBI Academy for over 20 years, it is just the Buffalo Bill guy,

explains that predators abuse gender identity policies to gain access to victims. While victims of law enforcement become less likely to report incidents for fear of having misunderstood and being accused of discrimination. The primary concern is not that people who identify as transgender will victimize women, but that predators will exploit gender identity policies to do so so this is interesting they're actually not doing all trans women are secretly rapists they are doing the what is actually more like more legit is that no like men will be fucked up and men will like do fucked up shit the thing is they don't need those policies to do fucked up shit men will do it regardless

you are the heritage foundation your your base your entire base are church guys composed of churches who do this literally every day like come on what are we doing here but i know i find it interesting that they take this line of approach i will say this pamphlet feels like a much more sort of moderate so this feels like a gateway thing versus like the stuff that they're, stuff that they actually believe or like the sort of like more hardcore stuff that they distribute. Well, I'm not sure how to,

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Scholar, I'm sure all those trans girls are taking up all the scholarships. Yeah, let's just let's just see where the heritage foundation stood on fucking title nine shall we when that came in i'm sure they were totally supportive already several high school girls have lost state championships to quote unquote boys who are allowed to compete against them these two boys have won 15 girls state championships that were held by 10 females in the previous year um i tried to search some of these keywords to find exactly what they were talking about the first result was from the reputable news publication the daily signal which is a heritage foundation puppet site and the article

was just listing like a handful of like trans girls across the country who participated in school sports and that's like that's like all it is um and then of particular interest to james this next sentence um oh god is it fucking a man who identifies as a transgender whoa that's that's an interesting one uh a man who identifies as a transgender has also won the women's cycling world's title i know who they're talking about here this is someone called veronica ivy she was formerly known as rachel mckinnon when she won the world title okay she won a uci women's master's track world championship if you want to find an event where gender affirming hormones are used on a regular basis i suggest you check out the men's masters world track championship because every fucking year one of those dudes gets popped for using testosterone

and like i don't see that in the heritage foundation's uh complaints like this is just asshole really they've she has been a particular target for these people cycling has been a particular target for these people for a very long time and it's very funny that they continue to like put out this propaganda which completely misunderstands like the things that let you win the Masters Track World Championship are having money and having time. It is inherently unfair. It's a hobby sport, right? 35 to 44, there are not professional athletes in that age group.

The people doing this are the people who have the time and the money. They buy the fancy bikes. They travel to the race. If you care about fairness in Masters cycling, there are a million other places to go after it's if you care if you care about fairness in master cycling there are a million other places to go after it this is bullshit oh it's so it's so transparent because now the biggest trans sports controversy has been over a cisgender woman who just is appearing too masculine right like the the biggest thing the biggest controversy in this whole trans women in sports thing at the olympics earlier earlier this year is just actually a cisgender woman yeah but that's

the whole thing right like policing the way people present their gender is what this is about for them yeah and they're willing to throw anyone under the bus as long as it like puts forward like whatever disinformation they want with the sole purpose of just changing public opinion not actually like caring about any of the people involved here yeah but like a return to like i don't even think traditional gender roles but like let's just say 1930s gender roles not even 1930s right there were women fighting in the spanish war in the 1930s victoria to england gender roles yeah totally like it is what they want and like they're not throwing iman khalif under the bus so much as she is part of a target because she's

not a girly enough girl right she's she's a woman who punches other people in the face and like that's not collateral damage to me like that is part of their thing right yeah it's not coincidental that it was a boxer it's part of their thing, right? It's not coincidental that it was a boxer. It's part of their larger political project. Yeah. Yeah. And obviously it's also their conception of womanhood is also highly racialized. Yes.

Obvious reasons. Yeah. It's not coincidental there's an African woman, right? No. Many of the trans girls who were listed in the Daily Signal article were trans girls of color. Yeah. That is who they're going after. They're going after the most oppressed person you can be in the Daily Signal article were trans girls of color. Yeah, that is who they're going after.

They're going after the most oppressed person you can be in the country. Now, on to one of our final chapters. How transgenderism affects your personal liberty. Transgenderism. That's a good one. Transgender policies also violate our freedom of speech and freedom of conscience

by forcing people to speak or act in ways contrary to their personal judgment and deeply held beliefs. new york city you can be fined up to 250 000 for misgendering what's the citation that they do have a citation okay hit me they they do go to the nyc commission and this isn, despite the citation. They're trying to take like a city ordinance and twist it to make it sound like you will be fined a quarter of a million dollars for calling someone the wrong pronouns. And that's not what the ordinance says. Yeah, it's employment law, right? Correct. It was first written in the early 2000s. It was then revised in 2015. I'm going to quote from Snopes. Quote, discrimination against a transgender individual could result in fines to up to $250,000.

But these fines won't be handed out for accidentally misusing pronouns. According to the new guidelines, the commission can impose civil penalties of up to $125,000 for violations of the law and in extreme circumstances, $250,000 for violations that are the result of willful wanton and malicious conduct yeah this is for like employment discrimination yeah employment discrimination happens literally all the time and it never there's almost never consequences for it yeah but that's where this number comes from right and it's completely misleading to suggest that like the work police are gonna find you correct and it's not for misusing pronouns it's for like extreme cases of like continuous harassment or like like like legal discrimination the next sentence is quote both a high school teacher and a college professor have been

sanctioned by their employers for using biologically correct terms with their students jordan peterson now obviously those terms are not biologically correct terms with their students. Is it Jordan Peterson? Now, obviously, those terms are not biologically correct because you can scientifically change your biological sex. And what they're talking about here is, no, just teachers who are just harassing their students, who are calling them by the wrong name, calling them by the wrong pronouns. If you did that to a cis person over time,

yeah, you would also get in trouble because that's just harassment. Yeah. And you're just a shit teacher. If you're fucking going after your students for who they are then yeah you probably shouldn't be a teacher they then talk about how trans activists are trying to get medical providers to provide like gender affirming health care they're complaining how catholic hospitals are getting in trouble for not wanting to do gender-affirming healthcare. They talk about an Obama mandate that forces healthcare

plans to cover gender-affirming healthcare and making sure that physicians actually have to do it, even if they personally don't want to. Be like, no, this is your job. You have to provide healthcare. So they complain about all that kind of stuff. And then the last section of the pamphlet is on child development. Transgender ideology is now promoted in schools where children are taught that gender is fluid, falls along a spectrum, and is detached from bodily sex. In addition, activists seek to punish anyone who expresses any reservations about radical treatment plans for gender dysphoric children. These plans can include socially transitioning children as young as four, administering puberty-blocking drugs as young as nine,

cross-sex hormones as young as 14, and surgery as young as 18. This ideology threatens parental rights. In Ohio, a Catholic family lost custody of their daughter when they opposed treatment of gender dysphoria with cross-sex hormones. So actually, this is actually a pretty good breakdown of how gender-affirming healthcare could work.

Because yeah, if a kid wants to socially start transitioning very young and they want to, yes, that's great. There's no harm in that. If getting on puberty blockers at around nine, that makes sense. Hormones as a teenager, yeah. And surgery maybe a little bit later. Yeah, that all seems quite, quite reasonable. And in terms of this Catholic family, so transphobic parents lost custody of their 17-year-old trans son in 2018 after inducing

suicidal ideation for refusing to let their child receive hormone therapy prescribed by a medical team who had been treating the child for two years. Custody was transferred to his grandparents. So this wasn't the state just like stealing this child away. It's like, no, you're like basically abusing this kid. So we're going to move custody over to the grandparents. Also, like you're opposing this for a 17 year old. This is almost like a full legal adult. I'm going to quote from CNN here, quote, the parents attorney had argued that the child was not even quote close to being able to make such a life-altering decision at this time, unquote. The county prosecuting attorney argued that the parents wanted to stop the treatment because it violated their religious beliefs, unquote. So, yeah, you're so scared that this 17-year-old is going to make a choice that you personally find a little bit icky?

Like, come on. I'm pretty sure you can legally emancipate yourself at 17 right like yeah and usually you have like medical freedom at least in oregon you have medical freedom um at 16 i i don't know what the case by case basis is in a lot of states but yeah but that's that's pretty fucked up um now there there is nothing in the coverage about this family being catholic heritage might be conflating uh this other story from indiana where a catholic family lost custody of their trans kid in 2021 for alleged child abuse and then earlier this year the supreme court declined to hear the parents case uh so so there you go big alpha then

they then talk about quote unquote research what the research says about transition the view that social medical transition is the appropriate treatment for people, including children, who feel at odds with their biological sex is becoming more widely accepted. However, transitioning treatment, including puberty blocking hormones for children and sex change surgeries for teens and adults, come with serious consequences. Today, parents are told that puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones may be the only way to prevent their child from committing suicide. However, according to the DSM-5, as many as 98% of gender-confused boys and 88% of gender-confused girls eventually accept their biological sex after naturally passing through puberty. Okay, let's go over this, because there's some weird phrasing here.

Because, no, that's not what the DSM actually says. A writer named Micah B. broke down this claim in a Medium post from 2018. This exact sentence has been reused in a lot of right-wing publications over time. So, accept their biological sex after naturally passing through puberty. It's a very loaded phrase. Yeah. Like a child who suffers from genitourism may receive treatment,

whether that's through speech therapy, like talking about it with a therapist or hormone blockers. And they may then choose to cease treatment and go through their natural puberty. Right? Like that is... But that's not them like,

quote unquote, like naturally passing through puberty. Like, no, that also involves a degree of treatment. Now, the reason why these numbers might be a little bit kind of odd, and they're also just false, the way that they're being framed here. But in particular for kids, the criteria for children having gender dysphoria is different from the criteria for teens and adults, right? Those mean different things.

They also say, as many as 98%. Interesting phrasing. As many as 98%. I'm sure there's no reason they're saying that. Because the DSM-5 actually says that, quote, in natal males, persistence has ranged from 2.2% to 30%. In natal females, persistence has ranged from 12% to 50%. So they took the lowest possible number and switched the stat around

by saying that as many as 98% eventually accept their quote-unquote biological sex. So that's a cute little flip around. And then also, according to the DSM, a majority of boys 63 to 100 who quote unquote grow out of gender dysphoria just later turn out to be gay right there is a difference between like gender dysphoria versus like gender deviance that's why

you yeah you should like work with an actual medical team if you have like a kid who's like pre-puberty who has a degree of gender variance because yeah that could result in a whole bunch of a whole bunch of things and the fact that some of them just grow up to be like gay kids is like the result of like successful medical treatment and like it's like a like a loving family like that is a good outcome similarly the dsm says that 32 to 50 percent of girls whose gender dysphoria does not persist later identify as gay. So there we go. That's pretty, pretty, pretty average stuff. They then go on to list all of the quote unquote side effects of gender affirming treatment saying, quote, Meanwhile, radical gender affirming

therapies pose serious medical risks, including disfiguring acne high blood pressure weight gain abnormal glucose tolerance breast cancer liver disease thermoprosis and cardiovascular disease these are all the consequences of just puberty yeah like depending on what puberty you go through yeah it's going to have different effects that's just how puberty works yeah yeah they also include uh and of course sterility and this is this is still a a hotly debated topic there's some recent studies that show that there's actually a pretty good chance of people who go on estrogen being able to like regain fertility after after like six months of ceasing treatment it's not consistent right everyone who everyone who goes on like hrt has an understanding that that it it can affect how they reproduce in the future you're definitely encouraged to like

if you want to have kids or think you might want to have kids in the future like you can save your sperms you can save your eggs you can you can get that stuff ahead of time yeah but this is also something that people are like working on of being able to like maintain the ability to have kids even like during or like after gender affirming healthcare treatment has like commenced. So that's cool. Finally, quote, puberty blocking therapies and cross sex hormones are non-reversible, largely untested and highly dangerous, especially for children.

We've already talked about how all of that is not true. We've already gone through all of that. Sex reassignment surgeries have not been shown to reduce the extraordinarily high rate of suicide attempts among people who identify as transgender, 41%, compared to the general population's 4.6%. So this is also just like not true, like everything. It's just not true. Also, there's no citation here.

A peer-reviewed study in the Journal of Adolescent Health found that hormone therapy for trans youth reduced the rate of depression and suicide by 40%. It also found that having parental support during this process also heavily impacts the effectiveness of this treatment, specifically on depression and suicide. If you're going through this treatment

and your parents still hate you, yeah, that's going to actually, it's going to hurt the ability of this healthcare to actually be effective mentally. An investigation by doctors at the University of Washington found that trans youth who received gender affirming healthcare reduced their risk of suicide by 73% compared to those who do not receive care. a policy brief in the va wrote quote since 1975 more than 2 000 scientific studies have examined gender affirming care supported by over 30 leading medical associations including the world health organization and the american medical association gender affirming care is deemed evidence-based and effective at reducing suicide rates this is this is all widely understood this is such like a non-objectionable uh stance

that even famous woke institution the va is like yeah no it's actually really effective okay and now actually finally for this pamphlet quote the most helpful therapies for children experiencing gender dysphoria do not try to remake the body to conform with thoughts and feelings which is impossible not impossible but rather but rather to help people find healthy ways to manage their tension and move towards accepting the reality of their bodies unfortunately 15 states have passed laws banning talk therapy for minors who struggle with gender dysphoria. And there's a bill in Congress which would do the same. There's no bill banning talk therapy.

This is a conversion therapy ban. This isn't actual talk therapy, which is a part of actual healthcare treatment. This is against conversion therapy. That is what they're actually talking about. So that is the bulk of the pamphlet. I also got given this other kind of, I think it's called a fact sheet, which is ironic, by the Heritage Action Group,

which is the kind of lobbying activist arm branch of Heritage. It goes over a whole bunch of the same stuff. They particularly don't like that the Department of Education released a report banning the use of offensive and inappropriate terms like mother and father in school. This isn't true. What they're talking about is that there's been a push to include just more gender neutral language.

Like instead of saying your mom and dad, just say parents. Like, yeah, that that makes sense. Yeah, that's that's specifically what they're complaining about. They complain about like books in schools. They call the genderqueer graphic novel a book riddled with pornographic and pedophilic content. Not true. It just simply isn't

true. All these kind of old lies that we've talked about on the show many times before. And then they also just rehash a whole bunch of the claims from the other pamphlet. They talk about the claim that in Virginia, a girl was sexually assaulted by a teen boy pretending to be a girl. And this is not an isolated incident. We've talked about that claim before. This was a fake story invented by the

Daily Wire. This person was not trans. This was someone who was in a relationship with this girl who sexually assaulted her in a bathroom. Not a trans person, just a regular cisgender male. And then they talk about sports. They talk about how men have more upper body mass and that puberty blockers do not change height, organ size, skeletal structure, muscle mass, or any of the biological characteristics that make men unequal opponents. They absolutely do.

Hormones literally, they just list all the things that hormones actually change. They actually famously do change all of those things. Height, skeletal structure, organ size and muscle mass. Those are the main things. Yeah, I mean, if that wasn't the case, you could just take testosterone and it wouldn't affect you apparently. Yeah, famously, testosterone never changes your muscle mass. Yeah, just tell Slime Soundstrong, the man who never benefited. They also complain about how the Biden administration

has wanted people to use preferred pronouns if you work in government, which is, again, it's just trying to stop people from harassing by using the wrong pronouns. It's all just ways to prevent harassment, and they complain about all that kind of stuff as well. So, it's a lot of the same stuff from the pamphlet. It's a pretty fun little

fact sheet. Those are the two main pamphlets that were going around the RNC about gender ideology. That was kind of the most in-depth it ever got. Most of the speeches did not even get into any specifics. They just threw out keywords for actual discussion. This is the most in-depth stuff they had. So this is largely the bulk of the average RNC attendees' knowledge. This is actually probably more in-depth than most average RNC attendees, at least in terms of what Heritage is putting out publicly.

That is their talking points. Any kind of closing thoughts here? Just dog shit. I don't know what to say. Yeah, it's really quite bad. It's not my favorite, but honestly, I think it's just so poorly written, and I don't know how effective this is.

It could be a lot more transphobic, enough they have a lot of like the same lies that that the right has been like workshopping around certain claims around like trans health care and specifically how it relates to like kids but i i honestly don't see this as a very like effective messaging for heritage yeah i think it is that like it's that pathway to hate thing you know that like your grandchild has a nose piercing how do you deal with this yes that like it it's it's not if you come at it too hard people are going to be like what the fuck but it it gets people there yeah i mostly want to go over this because like we're going to be entering the holiday season pretty soon. So whatever,

whatever Thanksgiving or Christmas dinners you're forced to attend. Yeah. You know, if, if, if people start talking about that kind of stuff, it's probably going to be claims that are similar to some of the stuff in here. And these things are like very easy to like research, especially all of the like puberty blocking stuff like that.

There's, it's so easy to be like, this just isn't true. And most of them just have no idea because if the information they're getting is in line with this kind of thing it is just an alternate reality that that they are living in yeah and some of them are fueled by like actual ideological hatred and some of them are just actually like legitimately just like misinformed and it's so that's something i can't tell you how your family thinks because i don't know your family but it is a good thing to keep in mind that there is ways to talk about some of the sort of things

there's also if you just want to avoid it all together and play Nintendo in the basement during Thanksgiving dinner with your cousins that's also sometimes the move yep support that well this has been exciting.

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