It Could Happen Here - The Kanye Spectacle Ft. Prop: Part 2

Episode Date: October 24, 2022

Prop, Gare, Robert, and Shereen finish talking about Kanye’s antisemitism and conspiracy theories, while discussing how to cover this topic without falling into media spectacle and exploitation.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

So look, I ain't going to hold you. I was not going to cover this because I feel like it's something that needs to be discussed at the domino table at the cookout. And I just don't want to feed the machine. But at some point, we got to decide whose man is this. And somebody got to come get their boy, Yee. We got to decide, OK, when did he cross the line, y'all? And has he crossed the line? when when did he cross the line y'all and has he crossed the line because you know the important nuance of this is is how we've survived as collective you know slaves like the you know we

we needed each other to survive so when somebody got out of line we looked out for each other you know the i don't know if you know this, but cornrows, like the braids inside of people's hair were maps, you know, the Negro spirituals, you sang songs as code for when it was time to go. Harriet Tubman, when she got free, you know, she escaped herself and then decided I'm gonna go back and get as many people as I can. Like this is her story. We take care of each other. So that's why it's hard for us to just write people off, just cancel especially if they black it's hard for us because it's like we need to take care of each other we can't let these white people like tell us what to do with our folks but that being said at some point we like all right nigga you are on your own you have hurt us too much and I never so I didn't want to cover ye because I still don't know how I feel.

There are some statements that he said are obviously inexcusable, but I just didn't want to be a part of that. I want to be a part of that conversation. The Kanye stands and I'm done with Yee's people. I just don't want to be a part of the conversation. But Sophie hit me and the good folks that it can happen here hit and was like, yo, we got to talk about this. And I was like, all right, I was like, yo, we got to talk about this. And I was like, all right. I was on the fence.

We need to talk about it. Yo, whose mans is this, y'all? Somebody come get they boy. So it's a crossover with the homie Garrison, Robert, and the It Can Happen Here team, Shereen, and we discussed this stuff. So dropping into our feed and their feed, it could happen here. So politics, let's rock. I'm just waiting for Kanye's Gnostic phase. That'll probably be a good development.

I mean, as soon as it starts being... It starts talking about Sofia and I'm excited for when he runs for president and then declares his opponent to be the demiurge that's right

we were on the same track there we know what's coming it's gonna be a good day welcome to it can happen here the podcast where we talk about kanye west's inevitable war against the demiurge oh my gosh uh joined again by shereen and prop so we just talked about kind of kanye west history up towards his most recent white lives matter t-shirt stunt and his anti-Semitic posts on Instagram and Twitter.com. And my main interest in the aftermath of these statements

is kind of mostly how right-wing media reacted to what was going on and to one of their darlings kind of saying some questionable things and what that might tell us about how they'll handle overt anti-Semitism and fascistic consumerism in the future. I'm going to do a quote from New Republic again about what happened in the direct aftermath of Kanye West's posts. Quote, Fox News, meanwhile, posted an article that West merely had been locked out of his account due to an unspecific violation of the company's policies. After spending such a fulsome number of hours providing him with a platform for his White Lives Matter stunt, the network eschewed coverage of his antisemitism other than to point to it as the product of mental illness. The effort to sweep the second round of nasty bigotry under the rug after celebrating the initial outpouring is breathtakingly cynical, but not particularly surprising. The fact that West was, at least for now, deplatformed from social media accounts that he was using to traffic hate speech is in itself catnip for far-right figures.

And unquote. So many a far-right grifter has tried to turn this into a free speech issue um however kanye associate and fashion week white lives matter buddy candace owens tried to deny the anti-semitism altogether within days of his twitter rant cand canis owens on her daily wire podcast was defending kanye saying quote death con 3 should be interpreted as a move to protect the jewish people after all because because because defcon is a defensive military category not an offensive military category see these are the words of a deeply unserious person exactly i'll be a very a very dangerous one but deeply unserious this is that's this is it's those things okay be conservative think however you want But it's that stuff that is so infuriating to me where I'm like, you know, you do not sit across the table from me.

She knows. You know, you know, and it's like, OK, just I just like like break character once, you know, just just like. No, what is you like? There's no way i can't take you there's no way you believe that no there's no way candace has been playing the long game for a while and that kind of reaches that reaches a culmination towards the end of this episode which we'll talk about um but let's uh let's let's let's play the clip there because she also does some pretty gross anti-semitic kind of defensive stuff as well, talking about how you can't say the word Jewish without people getting upset. If you are an honest person, you did not think this tweet was anti-Semitic. You did not think that he wrote this tweet because he hates or wants to genocide Jewish people.

This does not represent the beginning of the Holocaust. That's if you're an honest person, you'll meet that. You will admit that, right? If you're an honest person, when you read this tweet, you had no idea what the hell he was talking about. I had, I had no idea when I read this tweet, what the hell he was talking about. This tweet inspired questions, not answers. First and foremost, what is death con three 3? Did he mean DEFCON 3, which would be a military defense position, not an offense for those of you that are offended, a military defense position? Is he tweeting this because he's reading the Newsweek headline calling him an anti-Semitic? Is he angry because he can't believe that he's not free to talk about people in his life who happen to be Jewish, right? Without being accused of antisemitism. Is he saying, I'm not going to shut up and I'm going to keep tweeting and I'm going to keep calling these people out, referring to his friends that he feels slighted by? Is he talking about Jerry Kushner and Josh Kushner? If you're a liar, you'll say, I know I was scared, Candace. I actually thought that Kanye

West was going to launch a military strike in Israel. Because that's the reaction, like when I woke up and I looked at the headlines, the reaction was like Kanye West had gotten together a military strike and it was going to go forward in the morning time in Israel. That was the reaction that was met with this tweet. Now, once again, I want to make this very clear this is not a defensiveness tweet this is an open question which never seems to happen anymore it's like you cannot even say the word jewish without people getting upset in the same way that you're not

allowed to say black anymore so there is is definitely a lot in that clip. I guess first off, we can talk about talking about the tweet as simply asking questions about Jewish people. It's like you're just like directly doing the Jewish question. Like what? That's the thing. You can't frame this. Just ask like you're just asking questions about Jewish people.

Really? And then and then and and then owens tries to link this to like a zionist position implying that attacks on jewish people and anti-semitism are only legitimate if they're in the form of a military action against the nation of israel which is not how anti-semitism operates What? That's just not what that is. Man. It's pretty gross. Again, it's the same daily wire racism denying shtick.

It's the same thing they do by saying racism doesn't exist anymore because there are not racist laws in America, which, first of all, isn't even true. There are, guys. But second of all all that's not what racism is like that even if there weren't racist laws that doesn't mean there's no racism um man she like the man it's like like i'm trying to put my words together because there's a certain type of like

sinisterness yeah no it's a type of yeah it's a absolutely they're both deeply unserious but it's also like explicitly complicit in the in the in like the rise of far-right christian fascism like it's it's it's so absurd but in a very dark way like it's it's yeah i heard kanye this morning this is what day is this october october 20th uh a clip from pierce morgan no less like trying to call him on his anti-semitism and yeah just like i know we're talking about candace but it's like it's in the same vein of like ain't no way you believe this is in in that he was like, listen, I apologize. I was talking about my experience in the music industry, which is a verifiable fact ran by Jews.

And I was like, you can't. But you ain't no way. Ain't no way. And just break character like alex jones broke character before like uh uh uh what's tucker carlson boat character tucker carlson in court was like this is entertainment don't take me serious you know just like let me have that moment where i'm like okay at least be honest with what i'm dealing with here just break character like this just give me that at least i know what i'm dealing with here just break character like this just give me that at least

i know what i'm dealing with no yeah like saying this is an open question you cannot say the word jewish that people are getting upset like you you know what you're doing you know exactly what and with the with the after the like death con 3 tweet his follow-up implying that jewish people invented cancel culture like robert said directly reference that that's that is just directly ripped from like nazi theory um like it's it's it's so blatant like even even candace owens's boss ben shapiro had to acknowledge that kanye's tweets were anti-semitic he he he made a tweet saying back back from the Jewish holiday now, which don't, Ben Shapiro, I know what you're doing. I know what you're doing. Calling it the Jewish holiday?

Fuck you. Yeah. Back from the Jewish holiday now, as usual, two things can be true at once. Kanye's moves towards pro-life, faith, and family conservatism are encouraging. pro-life, faith, and family conservatism are encouraging. His deathcon3 posts and black Hebrew Israelite language are clearly anti-Semitic

and disturbing. It's like, Ben Shapiro, like, the more this is basically Ben Shapiro saying, the more he agrees with me, the more he becomes a Nazi. But I'm sure this is just a coincidence. Which I did steal that from someone on twitter so well thanks to be true um anyway that's my ben shapiro impression

that's it well thanks to be true look look both things both things can be let's say that you all right um i'm gonna do i'm gonna do a brief tangent on this guy named jason woodlock so woodlock is a sports journalist and podcaster who hosts the show fearless soldiers on glenn beck's blaze media where he quote protects the realm of common sense and challenges the group think mandated by elites um and he has like over half a million followers on twitter.com he made a series of not great statements that are still up and went extremely viral with a lot of likes saying, quote, Kanye West and Dave Chappelle. Is there a pattern? The industry wants both of them canceled. Black rappers and comedians are free to denigrate black people and white men a million different ways.

But there's a line they better not cross and everyone knows it. I wonder what he's saying. I wonder what he's implying there. The conflation of this is actually also as a person, a member of the black community, card carrying, that is frustrating. card carrying that is that is frustrating in in that yeah we do need to talk about you know among ourselves like what is acceptable in terms of how we speak about our own women how we speak about you know our fellow brothers and sisters in the world that is something that needs to be discussed but you don't get to call that you know so yeah jason jason is black but he he similarly works for a far-right media here's the thing um i'm gonna give you i'm gonna

give you a phrase and you could use this later okay i'm pretty sure shireen knows it too it's all skin folk and kinfolk so just go ahead continue on and what he's talking about here saying that there's there's there's a you're know, talk about, you know, bad things that black people and white people have done. The line that you better not cross, he's obviously talking about Jewish people. Someone asked him, hey, what is this line? And then Jason posted, you can't question black entertainers unhealthy relationship with non-religious Jewish power brokers in Hollywood. Okay. Yeah.

This was obviously called out as being extremely anti-Semitic, which then he replied, you think I have a problem with people who speak a Semitic language? Not true. You think I have a problem with people who speak a Semitic language? Not true. I have a problem with the secular culture, particularly Hollywood's promotion of it and black celebrities embrace of it. I believe those celebs have an unhealthy partnership with non-religious Jewish people. Oh, he chose them words. That was a dance. Again, this is just exact.

You're just doing anti-Semitism. Like, you can't. You can't. Like, it's not about speaking a semitic language and you know that like you you know this that you're you're you're just doing a bit like here's and here's what's crazy like you know in in my early days of like moving into more like activist kind of justice circles and and for real like even in some of the like church spaces i was in because again i grew up in like a very different church tradition than the rest of these foods is that the jewish community was in a lot of ways upheld as an example for us in that like look they don't let nobody talk about nobody they don't let they

don't they don't let it ride you're not allowed to talk and they were like we need to be like that they were like the way that the way that like look they come in they set up their community they they they keep their money within their community like their dollars circulate around that and when you look at like statistics they were saying among the black community, it's like a dollar, you know, a dollar only circulates once through our community. You know what I'm saying? And like, I don't have the numbers right, but they were saying like within the Jewish community, that dollar goes around like 50, 60, 70, 80 times because they support each other, you know? And they were like, that's something that as black people, we need to start learning how to do like, yo, stop being crabs in a bucket,

like support each other. You know what I'm saying, man, learn from their community, you know, learn from the fact that, like, you know, they keep their narrative alive, they don't allow oppression to happen to them, they've stuck together, how they've accrued wealth, you know what I'm saying, I don't know how healthy this understanding is, but I'm saying that's what we was taught, like, look at how they accrued wealth, like, learn from them, you when it when when you hear it coming out of a black entertainer's mouth something anti-semitic it just it grates even more because you just like man what like i think one other aspect of that which we're actually going to get to in a bit is some of that kind of admiration can be a double-edged sword though it is that's what i'm

saying like i don't know how healthy it is but that's what we were taught yeah yeah but like like like what you said about like there you know how a dollar circulates way more you see kanye later starting to use some of that rhetoric in terms of promoting jewish people as like controllers of financial engineering like you see that type of you see that bridge we're gonna talk about that just like in a sec also quick piece of history about jewish jewish people in banking which it's ill like they as a people got into that they were basically forced into they were forced to because they weren't allowed farmland yeah like you wasn't allowed to farm so they're like well we got to find a job somehow oh let's do banking you mad that they good at it like you know i mean i mean like this is this part that's like really can i'm like you know why you know why jazz exists segregation nigga racism that's why blues why is there hip-hop

because subsect like we did something with the trash you gave us like so i i think that yeah anyway the segregation made that happen yeah i'm gonna read a quote from yauer rosenberg quote congay's tweets exemplify why anti-semitism is so hard to uproot it's a self-affirming conspiracy theory the anti-semite claims that jews control everything then if they're penalized for their bigotry, they point to that as proof. Heads they win, tails Jews lose. Kanye posted his second tweet before the first one was taken down, perfectly demonstrating how the Jews control everything is a preemptive antisemitic defense against consequences for expressing antisemitism. It's a common misconception that antisemitism is just a personal prejudice against Jewish people. It's not. It's also a conspiracy theory about how the entire world works, which is why it ropes in conspiracy theorists from all ideologies and all backgrounds.

It creates this antagonizing catch-22 for Jews when confronted with anti-Semitism. If we say nothing, the hatred spreads unchecked. If we say something and it results in any consequences for the anti-Semite, the bigot just uses that as proof of their anti-Semitic worldview. So that's a good kind of 101 explainer on how this kind of whole thing operates, you know, talking about Jewish power brokers in Hollywood and people called out on that. They're like, oh, see, this is an example of them trying to silence the the truth and you know all of this type of shit um the one super interesting thing that has happened since all of these tweets and the aftermath and stuff has has has happened is that we got some leaked video from the Tucker Carlson and Kanye video.

So this is, this, this, this is, this is fascinating. Um, so vice, uh,

vices, uh, motherboard, uh, obtained footage of Kanye making bigoted statements about Jewish people and bizarre claims about fake children, as well as describing visions of kinetic of kinetic energy cities sent to him by god and i we're not sure how vice got these yeah uh unaired clips but we have them and they're extremely fascinating both on for like what kanye

is doing and how he made these statements before his tweets um also it's interesting on like what Kanye is doing and how he made these statements before his tweets. Um, also it's interesting on like what Tucker is doing. Like you're explicitly obfuscating direct antisemitism, but still allowing the dog whistles to be, to be present. Um, so inside their interview, uh, that, that did air, uh, Carlson and Kanye together outlined some of Fox's favorite boogeymen from the Clintons, COVID restrictions, cancel culture, and liberal elites. But what Fox left on the cutting room floor is just as revealing. The Tucker Carlson Tonight team decided to edit out a clip of Kanye saying that he's vaccinated against COVID-19, which is, you know, okay. Yeah. In a segment talking about black genocide and Planned Parenthood,

they edited out Kanye's statements about the lost 12 tribes of Judah. Planned Parenthood was made by Margaret Sanger, a known eugenics with the KKK to control the Jew population. When I say Jew, I mean the 12 lost tribes of Judah, the blood of Christ, who the race, the people known as the race black really are. This is who our people are, the blood of Christ. This as a Christian is my belief. So inside the television broadcast, it has those parts those parts about plant parenthood and the kkk but then after he mentions the kkk it cuts 30 seconds ahead so it skips over all that stuff around jews and the the lost 12 tribes of judah which kind of get that that is that is some of

the type of black hebrew israelite stuff that robert and prop were talking about in the previous episode how they're they're one of like the lost tribes who who went south um so that that is that but it's interesting so like he's directly talking about that way before his tweets that tucker just completely edited out now on the on the uh planned parenthood point so sanger was indeed a racist and eugenicist um a stance that the planned parenthood organization has since like obviously denounced um but you know claims about planned parenthood specifically operating to kill unborn black babies are just common rhetoric in the pro-life like circles and conspiracy spaces it's not that that part is not really true but it is a very common talking point yeah that margaret sanger point is is something that like yeah you know even i like in my sort of you know evolution of the way i think

and feel and believe you know i'm the child of a black panther you know i'm saying so like when you you you hear things about eugenics and Margaret Sanger and her connection to Planned Heritage, and you're like, oh, well, yeah, nah, that stuff's evil. You know what I mean? Yeah. And, you know, obviously, I'm a cisgendered male, you know, so there's definitely holes in the story of understanding the complications of what it means, what abortion and reproductive rights mean, because I just I didn't know, you know. And but as you, you know, grow, mature, travel for me, like the the the the biggest the biggest change in my thinking has been travel and relationships.

been travel and relationships and just you know what i used to say reading off the naughty list you know uh and you start understanding those complications but yeah that was like that that margaret sanger note is a note that's hit often you know and it becomes very difficult until you're like until you until you until you in the situation you don't mean and like you are like look this is this is this is affordable health care and it's right down the street you know and when you're in that situation it's like the again like all the boogeyman's and all the stories and all the warnings all of it falls apart you know once you actually see this stuff in practice so yeah that but that that margaret sanger well that was a that's a tough pill to swallow yeah and the planned parenthood organization has spent a long time trying to amend for their for their like an initial inclination and some of the like eugenicist starting points that they had

and making sure that they're not they're not you know yeah continuing in that clearly that's not their stance in that history oh well yeah and like and like actually addressing like hey is is is is locations of our clinics specifically geared towards like being in more targeted communities where it's like lower class and people of color as opposed to white affluent communities and they have they have taken steps to actually like make sure that their planning of clinics and locations is not is not oversaturated in yeah and that being said i'm like affluent white communities they got health care so it's like it was a different story you know i'm saying it's like you go go where it's needed i'm like i ain't got no health care over here that's why they're here you know i mean this isn't obviously this isn't a planned parenthood stand video or podcast but at the same time i'm

like well of course they got their problems like every other organization got their problems but like the idea that there's this like sinister plot you know is clearly the rantings of someone who is not well you know it does it's it is parroting just conspiracy talking points at this point, the way he does it. The way he's doing it. And in one of the more blatantly anti-Semitic sections that was edited out, Kanye complains about Kwanzaa being taught to his kids in school and says that he would prefer his kids learn Hanukkah because it comes with financial engineering.

I was biting my tongue on my political opinion because I thought it would be better for my children. And now you look up and my kids are going to a school that teaches black kids a complicated Kwanzaa. I prefer my kids new Hanukkah than Kwanzaa. At least it will come with some financial engineering. I'm sorry, what? Wait, wait. I mean, this is this type of thing. Like you should learn from the Jews because they're good at controlling money. Yeah, it makes me feel like he purposely tweeted that stuff because it was cut out.

Like because like maybe that was furthering his idea of being controlled. I mean, I think I think he tweeted that stuff out. He tweeted that he tweeted stuff on Twitter in response to him getting banned on instagram and the stuff on instagram was directly against a rapper who was calling him out on his shit um i don't know if kanye watched the tucker carlson interview i i i don't know um and then in one of the more bizarre things that he said, Kanye West talked about a so-called fake child that had been planted in his home, including he, he went into explicit detail talking about the child's name and the parent's name. And this, this video clip was not posted to protect the family's privacy. Yes.

Um, but he went into great detail. We have some, we have some like transcripts saying i uh actors professional actors placed into my house to sexualize my kids he he he he uh he uh he referred to the so-called son of an associate seemingly implying that the child was fake saying that we we we did not believe that the person was her son because he was way smarter than her. What? And this is like the most clear example of the ramblings of someone who like isn't okay.

Yeah, this is someone having a mental health episode. Like Kanye has spoken frequently about living with bipolar disorder and experiencing manic episodes in 2019 he discussed how experiences these with david letterman saying quote when you're in this state you're hyper paranoid about everything and everyone in my experience other people have different experiences you know everyone is now an actor everything's now a conspiracy unquote and this is what's happening you're thinking everyone's an actor and everyone's

conspiracy this is really i mean you can look at gang stalking, which is probably an expression of people having schizophrenic episodes. Yeah. Where people believe that like crowds of just random folks on the street are like part of an organized stalking thing. one kind of common thing that happens in psychotic episodes for some people is a belief that their loved ones, their spouse or whatever has been replaced by someone who looks exactly the same. There's also certain kinds of like, we call that,

we call that Nathan Fielder syndrome. Yeah. It's rehearsal syndrome. I was going to say that, but I didn't want to drag him into this. No, no, no.

He's a beautiful rehearsal episode. Yeah. It's, I mean, it's one of those, this is, I don't know how you actually would ever study this, to this. No, no, no. He's a beautiful... It does feel like a rehearsal episode. Yeah. It's... I mean, it's one of those... This is... I don't know how you actually would ever study this,

but I think one of the major problems our civilization has that might actually end us is the fact that every mental illness on the planet is vastly exacerbated

by the person having a lot of money, which also happens to make it virtually impossible to treat because no one around you will admit that anything's wrong yeah and this again might someday combine with the fact that we have an addiction on this planet to handing a single individual the keys to a nuclear stockpile this might all end in really badly for everybody i mean yeah and when you're one of the

most famous people in the world you constantly feel like you're being gang stalked because you are. Yes. Like everyone's always watching you. Like it's not, humans weren't designed to reach that level of fame. That's not something that we'd like developed. Like that's, that should not be possible. Our brains are not equipped for it. Yeah.

And then I feel like it's like they get affirmed in that belief because a lot of people do rely on them and maybe their mania to like make make sure they get paid or make sure like their family absolutely i mean i'm not affirming they're being yeah you're being you know i like i have a a small list of like actual like a list like celebrity friends who have been you know who are like for real celebrities and also like yeah my uh my last accountant stole two hundred thousand dollars from me like and i didn't even know you know uh this person you know i had this person on tour with me and you know they robbed this guy robbed the opener. Like just all these like stories to where you're like, well, yeah, the people you do have around you.

So even if you didn't have mental health issues, you would get paranoid. You would still get paranoid. Yeah. It's reasonable to get paranoid. I mean, yeah. Yeah. It's, I, yeah. All of it's, all of this is very obvious as a problem um but

what's unsettling to me sorry i just want to say really quickly one of the things that the fact that kanye as you you pointed out years earlier very astutely talked about the things that happened to him when he is having an episode in a very lucid way yeah makes me wonder and maybe this is a little conspiratorial where there are people listening who are like well shit if we can just play into that stuff we might be able to get him to we might be able to push him in whatever direction we want because there's definitely a whole bunch of people i mean i can totally see candace owens doing that because that because she's she's been playing him like a fiddle for a long time.

For a long time. That's going to reach a tipping point at the end of this episode. And one could ask, how could you be so heartless? Oh my God. How could you be so... It wasn't as good as the last one. It wasn't.

How could you be so Dr. Evil? But also, I think it's like along the same thread of a tortured artist thinking they have to be depressed yes make art i think there's an element of that even for kanye like i don't think i mean who knows if he's medicated or not you know what i mean like well he is he has said that sometimes he goes off medication yeah exactly so you know and i and yeah the tortured artist thing i know some like new

york times bestsellers authors who are like yes i know i'm bipolar and i know when i have to write this book i'm going to get off these pills i'm going to write it in in two days i'm going to turn in yes i think that's that's made worse by people like tying, like people in doing my research for this episode, a lot of people talk to West in person and like talk about like his genius. Exactly. And I think this idea of his genius mixed in with his mental state can create a really volatile reaction in someone's brain when they feel like certain altered states of consciousness are what makes you have your genius.

And that's a really, the way people have talked about this to Connie in person, I think it's really unhealthy. Yeah. I would argue that telling a child they're a genius is abusive and it's probably true for telling an adult. It's one of the worst things you can ever tell anybody. Don't,

don't, no one's a genius. Stop using that word. Yeah. It's poison. You think your illness is your genius? Yeah. Going back to this, like to these leaked unused Tucker Carlson videos, something in like in a better world would like completely tank

tucker forever like yeah it should but none of that matters yeah because in any other yeah in any other universe at that point you should be like yo we gotta stop the cameras man no yeah like yeah yeah this leak reveals unequivocally how carlson uses his platform to sanitize anti-semitism and other conspiracy theories for a general audience. Carlson cuts out just enough to claim plausible deniability. This will not impact him professionally at all. He makes a living manipulating people on Fox News. This should tank him. It won't.

But it does reveal how he works with extreme clarity, having these behind-the-scenes glimpses. with extreme clarity, having these behind-the-scenes glimpses. And then also having the added context of these cut segments also shines a light on some of the more dog-whistly aspects that did make it into the aired interview, like this bit that started with Kanye talking about his grievances with Jared Kushner. You know where he made these peace treaties? Where was that? Do you know the facts on this right here?

So I'm like... Well, I think that was between Israel and some of the Arab nations. I just think it was to make money. I don't know. Is that too heavy-handed to put on this platform? No, that's your opinion. We're not in a censorship business.

Okay, thank you. And I just think that that's what they're about, is making money. I don just think that that's what they're about, is making money. I don't think that they have the ability to make anything on their own. I think they were born into money. So when Kanye said, I don't think they have the ability to make anything on their own, and talking about, you know, peace treaties with the intent to make money, Carlson knew that Kanye was just talking about, like, the Jews. He knew that's what was going on and like the jews like that's like he he knew that's

what was going on and decided to keep those dog whistly aspects it's yeah i'm i'm gonna quote from elad uh niori this provides uncontrovertible proof that carlson knew kanye was being anti-semitic during the interview in other words tucker Tucker Carlson and his team purposely edited their footage to make Kanye's comments into a dog whistle instead of a foghorn. He purposely coded Kanye's anti-Semitism. Carlson knows how to spread anti-Semitism while avoid getting called out. He did it here. This itself should be a far bigger scandal than anything Kanye has said. Carlson knowingly spreaded this code of antisemitism and knowingly kept the antisemitism that he knew he wouldn't get called out on and knowingly cut the part

that he knew would get him in trouble. Carlson has spent years spreading antisemitic conspiracy theories from a full documentary about George Soros destroying Western civilization to multiple uses of the great replacement conspiracy theory to antisemitic guests talking about globalist elites ruling in D.C. This is who Tucker Carlson is, America's leading purveyor of mainstream anti-Semitism.

He also showed everybody the ultra light beam to the genitals. He sure did. He did one good thing. One of his more based moments that was pretty uh that was a thing i was like all right man okay you did you did your genital tannin got it uh but yeah that's his that's his particular like mutant power is saying something without saying something and all of us know what you're saying but you ain't say it so when i go what the fuck did you just say you could say what are you talking about nothing i you know it i mean yeah he's got it yeah i mean he's he's the picasso of that like

just and it's and it's so infuriating and speaking of kind of dog whistles and stuff similar to kanye's bit about the jews creating cancel culture by doing the whole i don't think they have the ability to make anything on their own statement kanye is employing another kind of classic anti-semitic trope that or that originates with nazi propaganda um that you know jews are incapable of physical labor or making things this comes up a lot in the 1940 nazi propaganda um that you know jews are incapable of physical labor or making things this comes up a lot in the 1940 nazi propaganda film the eternal jew one of the most vile films ever made a quote from uh mike rothschild so and now i i don't think kanye kanye has not seen the eternal jew obviously no the only people most weird nazi nerds who

reference the eternal jew haven't seen the eternal jew like but but the point is that you don't need to see it these no these these stereotypes are so ingrained to how many people see jewish people that they're just things that you can believe without the slightest consideration or like a deep thought well and they were you know the the eternal jew was influential in anti-semitic propaganda but a lot of what it was doing was kind of codifying almost if you will the most popular stereotypes and racialist attacks of the day like it it didn't invent stuff so much as it was like all right we're going to we're going to boil it all down in kind of the most iconic form yeah this i was today years old i had no idea what you're talking about um but but i can see how that concept has such source material because as somebody who you know i i just anti-semitism is just has never been on the menu for me um some of the the

tropes that come with that in my mind seems so bizarre i'm like what are you talking sure what did that come from what did you talk about they did what now you know so like some like i so to know that like well there is source material there's there's stuff that comes from it comes from this time it was because it is because this was like an intentional thing that people have been pushing towards for hundreds of years like this is it's it's yeah this didn't just happen this is like people are trying to make this a reality like it's it's it has been a propaganda project and a hate campaign that's been genocidal for hundreds of years yeah because i'm like okay

you know at sometimes okay i'm trying to say what i'm let me try to figure out what i'm trying to say sometimes you can track yeah like the protocols like the protocols i was like until you understand those protocols like some of the anti-semitic thought and rhetoric is like man what the fuck are you talking about like what you know texts like that don't just like pop into existence someone wrote that with a specific intent it was an intent for something but what i'm the point i'm trying to get at is like there are some racist sentiments and tropes that I I'm following your logic as to why you're saying that about them like clearly it's a racist trope but black men are violent and I'm like well okay I mean if all you know of us is gang violence if that's all you've

seen I'm following your logic you just never been exposed to any other stuff now once you get exposed to any other stuff you still feel like that it's like all right you just you just trash you just you just trash but I'm like I I'm following I'm following you you know I mean you only know rap music okay that's all you know of us okay then you think that this is what we are fucking racist because clearly most people are more everybody's more than the one thing you're trying to put them in you know but i'm following that it's just for me again like i said since like anti-semitism was never on the menu like it was never just it just wasn't a part of my world when you hear things like the protocols of zion and and some of this stuff even even learning

about the holocaust like if you're a black person, you like, what's your deal? Like, what is so wrong with them? Like, I don't understand why you don't like them so much. Like, it's like, I can't even follow your logic, you know? Again, because, yeah, it's not even personal hatred of all people, right? No. It's framed within this conspiratorial thing by like, no, I don't hate Jewish people. you know, it's not even personal hatred of all people, right? You know, it's, it's framed within this conspiratorial thing,

but like, no, I don't hate Jewish people. I'm just questioning the Jewish power brokers in Hollywood. And I think that they have too much influence, right? That's how it's framed. And that's how people,

that's how someone like Kanye might actually like, might actually feel because he works in Hollywood. Yeah. Right. But, but that, but that is the only way you get there is because of decades of anti-semitism like that that's it's it's it's it's

that's that's the kind of point i was trying no it's true that yeah the jk rowling banker goblin didn't just like exist by itself exactly like none none of these things are made in a vacuum they never even thought of that till you said it oh shit oh yeah there's a star of david on the floor of the bank i didn't even notice it that they'll point out it's just so yeah what i mean one of the things people will point out that is true is that that was not a set they were filming in an actual building and they chose to have that there and and the building had a star of david in the floor and they chose to film there yes it seems like that would have been something people might have noticed yeah at least yeah somebody just not even over it not even yeah

just throw a rug like y'all y'all maybe maybe listen maybe we don't mean anything by it but it could be seen as you know yeah and i've just like just like none of these things are in a vacuum and kanye's own statements are not in a vacuum after kanye made these tweets uh you know 4chan was quick to take it was quick to eat up the kanye pill there kanye kanye threads took up of took up most of Pol's posts for days. There's screenshots of Pol, just Kanye

post after Kanye post. All of the trending ones are all about Kanye. Nick Fuentes and his Gropar followers were celebrating the tweets. They see this as an opportunity to kind of mainstream you know their their brand of horrible anti-semitic fascism um and i i uh i hope people are prepared

to take on you know fake kanye stan accounts that are going to pop up everywhere to defending his anti-semitism like you know and defending and talking about anti-semitism from the point of quote-unquote being a kanye fan it's there's a unquote, being a Kanye fan, there's a lot of fascist trolling is going to come in the mask of Kanye West now. And that's the way this works. Yeah. I mean, we've been enduring. Great. Among Black Twitter, we have been enduring Kanye stans for a while.

You know what I'm saying? That are just like, no, he's just a genius. Y'all don't understand. He's playing 3D. We've been enduring this for a while you know what i'm saying that are just like no he's just a genius y'all don't understand he's playing 3d we've been enduring this for a while it's actually been very interesting in the sphere of the internet i exist in of seeing people being like uh yeah no i got nothing so like people tap out yeah there has been a good amount of people that have finally tapped out yeah and i think well i think the what does that type of vacuum opens up space for bad actors to use the mask of kanye to then just promote fascism under under this mask now i like it's like what they did with trump and his

like mega hat and everything sure i mean like anything this creates a more specific type of dog whistle i think because mega is obviously way more, way more broad. I meant like, I meant like Kanye's use of the Trump hat. Sure. Oh yes. Absolutely. I mean,

we have, you know, Nick Fuentes posted the tweets in his, in his telegram saying, no way. We are so back. Do you trust the plan? Baked Alaska.

Do you trust the plan? Baked Alaska posted on his telegram This is real, vindicated And one of my least favorite telegram channels Zoomer Waffen Oh god damn it I know It's called what now? Tell me that again

Every time I talk about Zoomer Waffen I lose five years Of life So people, again, because folks who are not Termally online are like, what are you guys talking about? Waffen means weapon in German. The reason that it is a thing the Nazis talk about is that the SS had a bunch of different things the SS did. But one of the things they had was a unit that existed within kind of the traditional hierarchy called the Waffen SS, which means the weapons SS. They committed a shitload of war crimes.

Ever since Waffen has been a thing that you can kind of like stick to the end of the name of a group and you're signifying that you think the SS was based. Adam Waffen is kind of the most prominent terrorist group in the United States and other countries that's been a big thing. And, you know, it not like zoom like you get what they're saying when they call themselves zoom or waffen right it's a thing anyway that's that's that's what you need to know i just i just i get so pissed because i'm like these fucking nerds and you're so dangerous you fucking nerds it sucks yeah i hate you yes i'm just like you just you god if you weren't so

dangerously violent you know just fucking nerds yeah that's yeah that that is the recurring statement on this show yes is that if they weren't dangerous they would be much more funny yes um so yeah the the zoomer waffens posted the tweet and not not not all heroes wear capes somewhere easy gap merch and with it's anyway so just two days after the anti-semitic posts on his social media accounts uh which got him banned connie then attended the nashville premiere of Candace Owens, daily wire documentary project, the greatest lie ever sold George Floyd and the rise of BLM.

And just imagine being one of the most famous people on the planet and choosing to hang out with the daily wire. Yeah. Like, like they, like the word grooming obviously means nothing now but like they they groomed him into this shit like yes they did they really did him and groomed him into this nonsense look kanye made a lot of choices here and those choices

were like very selfish and based in narcissism and while he is sick he's not a victim fundamentally but he also is being taken advantage of right like that's that's fair to say that doesn't exculpate him from his guilt in this but he's being taken advantage of. Wake up Mr. West another another Kanye reference wake up Mr. West. And like, real quick, the part that is so, well, obviously it's all infuriating, but I'm like, you're going out of your way to purposefully tear down black people and they suffering yeah you don't have to you don't you can even say like hey you know which is true like there are some in the organization of black lives

matter as an organization there's some problematic stuff that needs to be discussed and worked out you know i'm saying and being like okay well let's get some oversight here what are we doing here let's have some accountability you don't have to doing here? Let's have some accountability. You don't have to, why are you, why are you attacking George Floyd, man? Well, because this is, this is, this is Candace Owens' like explicit grift. Exactly. That's my point.

She, she, her job is to conflate the Black Lives Matter nonprofit organization with the Black Lives Matter movement. As an idea, yeah. And use criticisms of the nonprofit organization to basically say that any form of advocacy by people of color in, you know, using the Black Lives Matter movement banner

is discredited because of the issues with the formal nonprofit organization. In Portland, I have never seen a single thing related to the Black Lives Matter've never seen a single thing related to the black lives matter organization. Not a single thing. I mean, I guess maybe the signs like are sold by them. I don't know though.

But like, it's, it's not, it's not a present. Not what we're talking about. Exactly. It's not a fit. Like it's the,

the, the conflation of the, of the nonprofit organization with the movement is the specific thing that Candace Owens has focused on for the past five years of her career. That's's what she makes money on is is is exploiting this little thing and it's the thing that tucker has adopted and this is the thing that she is convinced it's just it's just so it's just so like what do you do like okay so any any okay talk about talk about globalism you okay that's your little thing that's your little thing okay uh you know you don't like the you don't like the democrats you know you know brandon

whatever but it's like okay a man died and and was that's and the cop was proven guilty and that that's that's the most gross part because kanye's embrace of conspiracy theories now about the fentanyl thing right is yeah like but his embrace of conspiracy theories is not just limited to anti is not just limited to anti-semitism yeah he now openly denies the proven facts of the events that led to the most recent international uprising in the black lives matter movement he jumped on board his pal candace owens absurd quote-unquote documentary that claims the sequence of events proven in court and witnessed by the world via cell phone footage did not actually happen um

that's why i'm like you're going out of your way now it's like you you're you're on a path and i'm like you're purposefully going out of your way to hurt us and that's the part that i'm like like i said i don't use the word coon often but i'm like like why are you doing why are you doing this like you you're it will because we know why you're doing it and it's just like candace come on like cape cape for the republicans do what you got to do if you honestly think the solutions for our community comes from the conservative world, cape for them. Do what you got to do. You don't have to go out of your way.

Like, this is, you're going the, like, you're taking the scenic route to just attack. Like, okay. Yeah, it's, they, it's, because I don't, they don't actually believe that that's what the solutions are they're just they're just living a really wealthy extravagant lifestyle candace owens gets to travel with connie west to paris fashion week she gets to have a red carpet premiere with connie west kid rock and ray j like that's that's the life that she has been able to create by exploiting this thing and of course she's going to do it because that's how you become a millionaire.

Yeah, two kinds of people get successful on the right. One kind is, fuck you got mine. I'm going to get what I can as quickly as I can. And the other is, I want to create a Christian fascist ethnostate. Like those are the two kinds. And one feeds into the other. And Candace Owens has decided I'm fine with helping the other kind of

prominent conservative accomplish their goals because it won't get too bad. You know, during my lifetime, I can make enough money. I'm one of the good ones. They're like, this is, this,

this is the same thing with someone like Blair white for, you know, for, for trans issues. There's these specific tokenized figures, Dave Rubin with gay people. If they align as one of the good ones and they think that things won't get bad enough in their lifetime, they'll just be able to profit. Wait, just to make sure I'm paying attention. and they'll just be able to profit. It's this... Yeah, yeah. Hey, wait, is Dave Rubin...

Wait, just to make sure I'm paying attention. Is Dave Rubin the dude that was like, well, scientifically speaking, a mermaid couldn't be that dark? No, that's... That feels like a Ben Shapiro or Crowder bit. I don't remember specifically. Okay, I thought that was him.

Either way, that was hilarious. It was one of those clowns. Yeah. Well, scientifically speaking. They're all paid by the same dude it doesn't matter i still need to get this joke off so it's frustrating that kanye not only just attended the premiere but is now actually parroting the disinformation and the talking points that kenneth owens used in her faux documentary. So just a few days after he went to the red carpet, he started spreading the disinformation on the police's murder of George Floyd on a podcast.

I watched the George Floyd documentary that Candace Owens put up. One of the things that his two roommates said was, they want a tall guy like me. They want a tall guy like me they want a tall guy like me and the day when he died he said a prayer for you know eight minutes he said a prayer for eight minutes they hit him with the fentanyl if you look the the guy's knee wasn't even on his neck like that. When he said mama, mama is his girlfriend. They said he screamed for his mama. Mama was his girlfriend.

It's in the documentary. So that's pretty bad. And after that, he starts talking about other kind of random conspiracy theory stuff that inevitably leads him to making more comments about the Jews. So here's that clip. They block me out. The. They block me out. The Jewish media block me out. This shit lit, right?

I'm lit, right? I'm lit. I'm lit. You know what I'm saying? JP Morgan, I put $140 million into JP Morgan, and they treated me like shit. So if JP Morgan Chase is treating me like that, how they treating the rest of y'all? That's outrageous.

And this murder was with Chase accounts. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I am outraged. By the time people always, they want to calm it down. Because no matter what, you didn't break no law. I didn't break a law. No matter what.

The bank shouldn't be a judge or jury on anything that's going on. But this is, it's like a social contract. Candace Owens has a word for it, I'm forgetting it. But it's basically like, they told Candace Owens she couldn't hang out with me. For the Jewish people. What I'm doing is I'm me too in the Jewish culture. I'm saying, y'all got to stand up and admit to what y'all been doing. And y'all just got away with it for so long that y'all don't even realize what y'all doing.

And y'all just got away with it for so long that y'all don't even realize what y'all doing. And it's like, y'all can't fuck with me either because y'all behind that gated fence, y'all soft, your hands got soft. You ain't out here getting beat up every day like me. You ain't out here getting called crazy every day like me. I'm not going to play any more of that podcast because honestly, this is where it starts getting into the territory where it's just kind of exploiting someone's mental health issues for entertainment. And it gets like this is where it gets very disjointed. Connie starts talking about how the Louis Vuitton company killed one of his friends. Oh, boy.

Oh, it's on a Virgil. Yeah. Who actually died of cancer. It's a conspiracy that Connie's developed the past year and he also talked about this for seven minutes um in the uh unused tucker carlson segments which i'm also not going to include because it's i also for context like virgil is like royalty among our community like what he did being the first black like head designer at louis vuitton um and i think a lot of us think uh a lot of us i sound like trump a lot of people are saying no but there is an understanding that um like in a lot of ways kanye was jealous of him um in the in the way that he was able to succeed in Louis Vuitton.

And then now that he's gone and clearly Kanye doesn't grieve well, as we know. Yeah. Yeah, that would be fair. Yeah. Another segment of the Tucker leak includes a clip where Kanye is discussing visions from God on how to build free energy and fully kinetic energy communities and kinetic energy cities.

So this is where i i'm not going to actually include any more clips of kanye because it's just it's it's just the laughing at the person who's not doing okay bit and that's not cool now obviously like mental illness is not cannot be used as an excuse for bigotry or anti-semitism um but exploiting someone's suffering uh through like a manic episode to score political points is also like immoral um yeah and we're seeing a lot of like false choices being presented towards mental illness and anti-semitism and the answer can actually be both um you know those struggling with mental illness do not kind of, they don't originate these types of bigotry.

Right. Um, but in, but when you're a manic, you can latch on to things and reflect them. Um, and that's not saying it's okay, but that also it's,

we should not deny that. Like I have seen a lot of people saying like mentally ill people don't say racist things which are like that's not true like if like if you if you've been around a lot of mentally ill people they can act they they can it's it's it's the same thing with people when people's brains are deteriorating on dementia one of the last things they can say are curse words yeah it's it's it's one of those weird like like vector points inside our brain so yeah you you actually can be be racist when you're not usually racist if you're experiencing a severe mental health episode and that's not that's not excusing you for your behavior but also we

shouldn't create this false division and we shouldn't like in some ways it's like you're like a gatekeeping mental illness by saying, no, no real mentally ill person could say these bad things, which they're not actually in support of people experiencing mental distress. Yeah, it's on that same lane as the mass shooters and stuff like that. Exactly. If you're just going to call it mental illness, then you can obfuscate any responsibility but but also refusing to acknowledge that mental health can play a factor inside some mass shootings also misses the point exactly it's yeah it can play a very large factor especially in the wave of like schizo wave inspired shootings exactly that's that's what i was gonna say that that that conflation of something that really is real and really is important you know uh you see that i

see that with like i i've known people who've worked in like um you know like legit human trafficking like not like the dog whistly version but like actual rescuing, you know, trafficked girls from the sex industry who were like pulled from a village, you know what I'm saying? And put into a brothel, like people that are like really out here, like actually doing the work, you know, where trafficking is a thing, you know? And then you conflate it with these, you know, QAnon conspiracies. And then like, and of course, a person who really works in this thing, you're like, you finally feel like you get some traction with people that actually care about the stuff you care about. You know what I'm saying? And now it's like, if you mention trafficking, it's like, I can't, it's like, how do I, it's like,'s like no serious it's really a thing guys really it is you know but trying to disentangle it from yeah it's what you're saying is like to to to do a one or the other thing is missing the point of both situations yeah yeah because because obviously

like kanye isn't someone who's dealing with like a temporary mental health episode where he's yelling slurs on the side of a sidewalk kanye is like an affluent man who's dealing with like a temporary mental health episode where he's yelling slurs on the side of a sidewalk. Kanye is like an affluent man who's making calculated and financially driven choices. But that still doesn't mean that stuff like bipolar does not play a factor in the types of impulsive decision-making he's making and the types of people that he surrounds himself with, which influences this pattern of behavior combined with like social media and

combined with his celebrity status creates this cycle of really unhealthy choices. Like when you're talking about like fake children being planted in your home, like, yeah, that's not like, it's, that's, that's not, dismissing that as being no way related to mental illness, I think is kind of a misstep. Yeah. I mean, it's caught.

One of the things that's tough about this is that it hits all of the areas that like the primary places where conversation takes part socially are worst at dealing with. Yeah. Because like, as we've said, mental illness is a major factor in this. It also does not exculpate him from bad behavior.

It doesn't make what he's saying not racist um but it's also tied into like this deep manipulation campaign that the right is because they've been looking for a guy like this forever and you can see like that that's why tucker and all these folks were so quickly to spin up when he wound up being like amenable to that like yeah and it's yeah because he's he's very clearly being encouraged to keep doing these sort of things for like entertainment and clout yeah um and i think a lot of the responses to this kind of show how stigmatized that more severe personality disorders are compared to stuff like anxiety or depression or adhd for sure um

because you also don't want to like villainize bipolar disorder and and stigmatize it further because a lot of people can live with bipolar disorder i've known i've known people that live with bipolar disorder who are not going on anti-semitic rants like it's exactly it it manifests different in lots of other people so it's you should not use this as an example to stigmatize other people with this or say it's just this um it create you have to talk about you have to kind of think about this in a multi-faceted fashion where someone's not just good or not just bad yeah it's actually you have to get you know less into like puritanical you know perfectly unblemished victims or and you know yeah evilly like, like evil intention depressors. Like it's,

it's more complicated than that. And the internet, the internet's bad with, uh, bad, bad with nuance. One of us turns out, turns out the internet sucks at nuance. to close this off we're going to talk about how kanye really has kind of been played by people by people like candace owens because a little over a week after his banishment from the two big mainstream social media platforms this past monday kanye announced that he has entered a deal to buy the failed far-right social media platform parlor parlor ceo george farmer said that his wife conservative influencer candace owens approached kanye about a parlor deal while attending his paris fashion week show where the boat where the pair of them wore the black wore the white lives matter shirts so candace owens has been playing kanye this entire time and is and has convinced kanye

to buy her husband's failing business like she's just playing him like like parlor has currently only 50 000 daily active users even gab getter and trump's and trump's truth social have way more daily users than parlor and canada someone says has convinced con has convinced kanye to buy this wait i'm sorry platform i'm sorry did you say her husband owns parlor yes her husband is the ceo of parlor okay and for an idea of how failed it is the people I know who spend a lot of their time hanging out in far-right spaces don't even get on Parler anymore. No.

It's so dead. It doesn't matter. Yes. The CEO is Candace Owens' husband. I am verklempt. I did not. I mean, it's an obvious grift right yeah i'm like see which is not this is a bad one she's a very smart yes this is she's a successful grifter

she that is i i can't believe it like she finally broke character what i've been asking for these last two this these these two hours is give me a moment of clarity. You just gave it to me, right? Like she, Oh, there it is. This is what I've been waiting for.

Got it. I have, I have, I have one more page before we, before we close out. So, okay. Okay.

All right. I feel, I don't know. I can't explain this, the sense of relief. I feel like it's so weird to say that, but I feel so relieved that I'm like, no,

it's, it's, it's, it's extremely telling. And it confirms a lot of the things that we've been thinking about what's been going on between her and Kanye for the past, like five years. Yes.

Um, so Kanye has been hit with a, with a $250 million lawsuit by the family of George Floyd. Yes. The lawsuit was filed by Roxy Washington on behalf of, uh, her and george floyd's daughter uh gina as they should in a statement washington's lawyers confirmed that she's suing kanye west and his business partners for defamation harassment misappropriation and

infliction of emotional distress um and the legal team is allegedly considering a number of other possible defendants in the case including candace owens so it sucks that that's happening but i like that like that that's just like re-traumatizing to the entire family um that they're having to dredge up all this stuff to sue fucking kanye west and candace owens that sucks but i hope that they get all of their money like yeah i i hope that they get to live forever on the money of kanye west um it's like look dude like again it's just that like that old saying it's like you ain't gotta like me but just you you don't you also don't have to be in my way you know so even when i look at somebody like a candace or whatever this like

this fear of of specifically persons of color in this right-wing grift that i'm like you don't like you don't have to help me but you also don't have to hurt me you know and that's and that's the part to me again i keep coming back to that it's like you're going out of your way to hurt us. Like, that's, that's, I'm like, I don't get it, man. Like, you don't, you don't have to do, there is so much money. Here's the thing. And this is going to sound terrible, but I mean it to be terrible. There is so much money to be made off white people. Like, you can make so much money from them.

Yeah, we have a lot of it. We took it from everywhere else. Yes. You can make so much from them without destroying it, without tearing us down. You know, just, it's like, get your money. Okay? Yeah.

I'm going to, I'm now going to read like my thesis on this. Okay. Because again, I did not, i initially did not want to cover this i thought we probably shouldn't yeah i thought that it's it's kind of exploiting the same media cycles that encourages this type of unhealthy behavior in the first place but i i i i have a thesis on this that i want to kind of go through and then we can and and end this discussion so in an online economy based on shock, ad-driven heated discourse, and data-collecting online engagement, Kanye's outbursts are useful to be deployed as ready-made ammunition for culture wars. Even though what he said is so obviously beyond the pale, quoting New Republic.

West's celebrity, still existent despite years of controversy and alienation, is simply too valuable for the right. After decades of being denied the endorsement of predominant celebrities, with the exception of Clint Eastwood and someone like Donald Trump, and the rights gritting their teeth through how celebrities don't really matter to them, the right cherishes the affection it receives from controversial crossover figures such as Elon Musk and Kanye West, and doesn't want to lose them to disrepute, or at least wants to continue using them in spite of it. West's willingness to lend his imprimatur to the pet causes of people like Carlson and Kenesowans makes him invaluable and un-jettisonable.

To pick up a quote from the Washington Post, polling has repeatedly shown that white Republicans view themselves as targets of discrimination equivalent to non-majority groups. Carlson and Trump sharing in that sense, highlight anecdotes that reinforce that sense and push back against the group that's most forcefully calling for the playing field to be leveled. The left, the new elite. So Carlson sees Kanye wearing a shirt that explicitly casts whites as victims, and understands the opportunity.

Here's a member of the inner circle of the elite, a black man, who's willing to elevate the idea that white lives are disadvantaged in an equivalent way to black lives, to validate the victimization and discomfort. Let's set up an interview, unquote. So for Carlson's purposes, West did not have to be wholly coherent. He can easily edit out the parts where he's ranting about the Jews, visions of kinetic energy cities, and fake children. Carlson was able to present to his viewers a famous black man who was being punished

for holding views abhorred by the gatekeeping cultural elites. In the podcast, West combined his anti-Semitism and anti-black infantilization into slander that Jewish people have owned the black voice. But it's Kanye whose voice and platform is being used by far-right grifters for profit by stoking white populist racism against both Jews and black people, and now to buy their failed social media apps. The conservative Christian right that has grown to use Kanye as a token won't be so quick to disown him for overtly conspiratorial or bigoted statements. One of the lessons that the right has learned from Donald Trump is that there's no advantages to be gained from criticizing one's own, as long as they're remaining loyal to the fundamental causes of the movement, especially when it comes to exploiting white grievance. West is then permitted to be as blatantly anti-Semitic as he wants without fear of sanction. He is clearly bigoted and clearly

suffering, but the right clearly considers him to be the most useful idiot, or perhaps one of the brave few people who's willing to say the things that others may think but don't yet dare utter. Some have argued that there's no point in searching for meaning in Kanye's almost decades-long dissent, that there's no deeper insight here, just the truth that anti-Semitism is noxious and we're a tragically long way from defeating it. But I think that misses the relatively clear trajectory that Kanye has been on since Ultra Lightbeam to this now Christian identity but black shit. And the very real danger and influence that a relatively small and unknown weirdos like Candace owens can have on like countrywide politics and finally to paraphrase from the columbia journalism review kanye west's statements are not of no consequence but anyone who spends time thinking about them and talking about them needs to not be complicit in exacerbating those consequences whether that be platforming bigotry or stigmatizing mental health issues if the media and the press must cover kanye they should do so with context and with an eye

towards accuracy reality history and motivation at minimum coverage should isolate what's important to kanye's and the story and describe it clearly for what it is rather than mining him for controversy and then performing ignorance or agnosticism about the substance of what he's saying. Sadly, too much top-line coverage of Kanye's recent outbursts did the latter, with several mainstream outlets referring to the tweets and headlines as alleged anti-Semitic posts, or wrote that the posts had been widely deemed to be anti-Semitic, language that clearly reveals more about the authors than its

subject so that that's kind of my thesis on why this is worth talking about and all of the moving aspects about what's going on here between candace owens tucker carlson and kanye west so yeah good work that's really good work let's all go be sad yeah there's not really a solution here except i mean besides in the concept of celebrity like i mean like you know all of this has at its root the same problems which is that when you allow money to equivocate like social and political power or equal social and political power. And when you then hand certain individuals huge amounts of money, a lot of them will either be outright evil or out of their minds or a combination of the two. And they can cause tremendous damage to society as a result of it. So it's good.

Yeah. it um so it's good yeah i think that there's two you know from from my perspective there's the the metaphorical question of like okay is he disinvited to the barbecue like which is a you know again a metaphorical question i don't know if you guys know what i mean when we say that was like can he come to the barbecue yeah so like yeah yeah you know what i mean it's like so the question we need to ask as a community as the culture like he so lovingly decides to mock um but is that okay so as a community what does it take for us to finally disavow somebody's statements and just be like all right brother you gone you know because right now it's up for debate you know there are people that like yo we checked out long time ago you know there are other people that are like still like you know we love the old kanye and that genius is still in there yeah but this album

slaps okay i know he problematic i know he put the red hat on but you know the sunday services was so dope you know i'm saying like so you have that discussion continually happening but i think that that's something as for our community, we need to learn how to, we need to really discuss, you know, what does it take for us to like finally let somebody go? Like, again, I keep going back to R. Kelly because I'm like, dog, we knew since Aaliyah

that like this brother had problems, you know? I mean, I think if there's a way to not alienate him fully so that his only friend is Candace Owens, that would be great. Exactly, that's why it's up for debate. It's like- But I don't know how that process works. That's what I'm trying to say.

That's part of the problem. It's like, but you know why it doesn't happen so fast? Like I said, like our defense is normally our collective identity is the community that's how we defend each other and protect each other from falling off the edge either from the police or from yourself it's like you bring them in and just be like oh baby we need to have a talk you know um but at some point you're like all right fam we done you know and that's what happened with r kelly it was like all right dog we tried you done, you know, and that's what happened with R. Kelly. It was like, all right, dog, we tried, you know, we tried, we can't do this no more, you know, I think there's that.

And I think there's also another question, obviously, the American evangelical, which, you know, statistically speaking, still only represents nine to 11 percent of Christian as a whole across the world. So you really like it's a this is a specific to us in America problem. And I just wonder, that's another question to me, like y'all are like they always looking for whether it was Tim Tebow or you always looking for champions you know and and this keeps happening to you keeps happening to you and y'all end up looking like assholes you know I'm saying and just not like the faith you say you profess like when are y'all gonna stop looking for champions like when you gonna stop looking for yo and just be like let's just do the shit our book says you know like just for better or for worse like you know i just think that these are again these are interesting cultural questions

see you don't need no celebrity like why y'all always think you need a celebrity because you just because again you're just trying to be cool while at the same time saying that you stand against the culture it's like well fuck well if you stand against the culture, it's like, well, fuck, well, if you stand against the culture, why you always trying to have somebody from the culture to be your hero, you know, like, well, shit, like, I don't know, I'm just saying, like, I think, I do think that, again, I don't have no answers either, but I think that these are, like, questions that everybody that this fool affected, y'all really need to ask yourself, like, you need to ask yourself, you know, like you said, like the mental health stuff, the problem of celebrity, which is a bigger problem. But to me, these are he he he may he's making us inadvertently ask ourselves these big systemic questions that we still are afraid to reckon with. I feel like.

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