It Could Happen Here - The South Korean People Defeat the World's Worst Coup

Episode Date: December 5, 2024

Mia and Gare discuss why South Korean president Yoon Suk Yeol's recent half-baked coup attempt failed in less than 4 hours and how South Koreans defeated it. Sources: https://apnews.com/article/south-korea-yoon-martial-law-25a2a7c957e77a19f771b6b7c56a2173 https://www.hani.co.kr/arti/politics/assembly/1170874.html https://www.mk.co.kr/en/politics/11107769 https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2024/12/113_387639.html https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/12/03/world/south-korea-martial-law https://news.kbs.co.kr/news/pc/view/view.do?ncd=8122266 https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20241204006400315?section=national/politics https://www.hani.co.kr/arti/politics/politics_general/1170684.html https://www.hani.co.kr/arti/politics/politics_general/1170674.html https://apnews.com/article/south-korea-yoon-wife-scandal-ba065a2f07d5fc4a63fe0e4d36de12f6 https://www.npr.org/2024/12/04/g-s1-36730/south-korea-president-martial-law https://www.hani.co.kr/arti/politics/defense/1170683.html https://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/1170893.html https://english.hani.co.kr/ https://www.hani.co.kr/arti/politics/politics_general/1170682.htmlSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm your host, Mia Wong. With me is Gare. Hello, hello. So, if I'm remembering correctly, and it is entirely possible I have forgotten several coups that I've covered, I think this is the second coup that I've covered in six months. That feels right. And, you know, when we last left the dumbest coup I had ever seen in my entire life, we were in Bolivia, and it was a truly spectacularly stupid coup.

That coup ended with the army running away from a bunch of protesters who were just like yelling at them meanly. So that one had the thing I've never seen before, which is the army. The protesters were trying to bring something up to break a barricade and the army ran away before they could get the like anti-barricade thing up to the police barricade. So that was a disaster. Today, we are talking about what I having now studied this like since it was since it started, I genuinely believe this somehow is an even stupider coup than the last like I you have to go back to like the CIA coup in Venezuela, where everyone just got like arrested by fishermen to fight a stupider coup than this it is even that one like at least they like landed guys with guns it was over so quick like

yeah I think the official number is that the amount of time the martial law was technically in effect before the assembly voted to get rid of it was a hundred and ninety minutes like people could like slept through this coup which The time the martial law was technically in effect before the assembly voted to get rid of it was 190 minutes Like people could have like slept through this queue, which is really funny, right? I made an executive decision, right? And I was like, I'm gonna sleep in for one more hour So I woke up at 8 a.m. Instead of 7 a.m. And I missed like half of it because I was just I slept for one hour So let's let's let's get into a bit about what happened here because you know as as dumb as this looks now because it failed this was

For people who don't know there was there was an attempted coup in South Korea. I don't know what day it's gonna be when I don't know what day it's gonna be in Korea when this comes out because Yeah, but but on on Tuesday on our Tuesday in like the the it was I think 1030 at night there the hideously unpopular president of Korea Sok-yeol Yoon tried declared martial law Yoon is his approval rating is like half of Joe Biden's approval rating. Like his approval rating is like 20%. He is staggeringly unpopular. He Yeah, so you and one election in 2022 very narrowly in a race where neither of the candidates were particularly good. And he is a hardline far right dipshit.

He's, you know, I mean, one of his big things is this unbelievably hardline in North Korea, which is not, you know, doing anything productive at all. He's also, you know, and this is like if you want to look at like who are his 20% of supporters left, he was the guy of the unbelievably unhinged Korean misogynist movement, I guess you would call them, who are some of the worst people on earth. I mean, these are guys who will just there was a court case recently that decided that you can't just like beat someone up for having short hair because you think they're a feminist. Like that's that that's the kind of like unhinged misogynist that we're dealing with.

That's Yoon's base. However, comma, a couple of things have happened since then. One is that he's racked by like a thousand scandals. Everyone in his cabinet keeps getting impeached for doing corruption. There are so many different corruption scandals with him going on right now that I was considering like reading out a list of all of them as a joke,

but it's too long. One of the important ones is that he was considering like reading out a list of all of them as a joke, but it's too long. One of the important ones is that he was like, basically doing like a pay for play thing to like fuck with his own party's primary process. Nice. And this has pissed off basically his entire party, which is great, which is exactly the thing you want to be doing right before you attempt to stage a coup, is piss off your own political party. So. All right, let's to stage a coup is piss off your own political party.

So all right, let's get to the coup. His major problem, one of his very major problems is that he hasn't been able to do anything basically since he's been in power. And the reason he hasn't been able to do anything is that his first sort of like off election was this unbelievably crushing electoral defeat for his party. The National Assembly, which is their like Parliament is Just straight-up controlled by the opposition Democratic like liberal Democrats Well, okay, let me be very civic about this

It's controlled by the opposition Democratic Party who are the sort of like Korean Liberal Party and also a bunch of like minor Allied opposition parties and they keep on again impeaching all of his cabinet members, which is very funny You know, he was trying to get a budget through and the budget got eviscerated and he hasn't been able to do it So he's been very very angry and very frustrated. And so his plan Apparently to deal with this was just to knock out the National Assembly This is so funny because like because of who I am I was talking about this at the bar last night just completely insufferable And the one thing I couldn't put together is like what his exact motivation was besides like rooting out like political enemies

No one knows that he like labeled as like quote unquote anti-communist, right? But let's like we were talking about like how funny this all is and I'm like I still can't quite understand like why he did it No one knows Like this is this is Jenny Wiley. Nobody has any idea why the fuck he thought this would work like the best thesis So we'll get to this a bit the best thesis that I've seen is that He wanted to do this because he was pissed off with the fact that he hasn't literally been able to do anything his entire Time in office because he's really mad at the National Assembly and also his own party and it's so funny to do that and Then have that be underscored by them. Yes

Like be like, um, no actually you can't do a coup. No, no, thank you Like nice try legally. You cannot coup me Yeah, like I think the the semi-serious part of this is that it doesn't make any sense to me how this could have been done if there also wasn't a faction of the Korean military that wanted this right. The Korean military is I mean most of Korea's history still to this day, but I think I think it's still a majority of the amount of time South Korea has been in existence, has been under military dictatorship of various kinds. There's been a whole bunch of them. They were staggeringly hideous. They killed unbelievable numbers of people. They tortured unbelievable numbers of people.

They were fully backed by the United States. And the military has also always had this real chip on its shoulder about sort of liberal civilian politicians and they have their version of like all of the conspiracy things that we have about how all Democrats are communists and how they're all like secretly yeah so eccentric for this it's like they're all secretly North Korea supporters etc etc right and this is something I was also seeing yesterday people being like oh wow when did South Korea become North Korea and you're like oh my god that's

so that's like what a weird like orientalist Racist comment. This is this is the most South Korean thing to ever happen Yeah This is like military coup and then military coup being overturned by protesters is the single most South Korean thing ever, right? Like this is just how South Korean history has been having the fucking assembly have to like break in in the middle Of the night to vote. Yeah, it's so funny It's yeah, we're gonna get to the actual details of it a second But I want it I want to go back to what was actually in this declaration of martial law

Yeah, the Korean Constitution does let you declare martial law But you're only supposed to do it if there's like a war going on or like if there's like an actual crisis happening Yeah, instead of just like I'm mad. I can't pass my budget which used to be what was happening here you feel bad on a Monday night and you're like oh I guess I'll declare martial law yeah so okay I'm gonna read some I'm gonna read a thing about what was going on here but how one hinge this was from Hakuura who which is a Korean media outlet quote commander Park Eun-soo announced quote martial law command proclamation number

one which by the way that that's how you know you're dealing with people who have done this before when when they start doing their like decree number one decree number two oh yeah that's that that is an extent is an experience the side of like a very very experienced military coup people. Announced martial law command proclamation number one, based on the contents of prohibiting all political activities of the national assembly and local assemblies. The proclamation also included contents that controlled the press and publications and prohibited citizens assemblies and demonstrations, as well as strikes and work stoppages by workers. It is also notable that it included the content, quote,

all medical personnel, including residents who are on strike, who have left the medical field must return to their original work within 48 hours and work faithfully and violations will be published in accordance with the Martial Law Act. Now, it's important to note here, if the thing you are trying to do is impose martial law on Korea, according to the Constitution. And obviously, if you're if you're in the state where you're opposing martial law, the law has kind of got out the window. But you can't get rid of the National Assembly. That is not a thing that martial law allows you to do.

In fact, very explicitly in the Korean Constitution, it says that the National Assembly can't be gotten rid of by martial law. So this this suggests to me that, yeah, this was something that was also being sort of spearheaded by parts of the Korean military, because if you're not someone in the army who has their own interest in doing a coup, and someone asks you to just, like, overthrow the parliament, which is a thing that they're not allowed to do. You just say no.

Which also makes the failure of this and how unbelievably stupidly it was all put together even more baffling, right? Because if we assume that parts of the cliques in the army had to have been involved with this, and like we know, and this is something that NPR talks about, Yoon is like fucked, right? There's no way he's holding onto power. He's screwed. And he's gonna be, that will make him the second

Korean president in seven years to be ran out by mass protests. And during the last set of politicians who were getting ran out by mass protests, the army actually started drafting like procedures for how they were going to do a military takeover to like knock out the protests. And they never did it, but this has been a thing that's been in the background for a long time.

And the liberal establishment has been talking about how the right wants to bring back military rule for ages. This is a situation that in some ways is similar to Brazil where the right has always been a sort of like, we like military rule kind of thing. But nobody actually seriously thought they would do it until they did. And

you know, I'm going to read one more thing before we go to ads here, which is he claimed that the National Assembly was quote, the mastermind behind the downfall of the country, which okay, that's pretty normal kustof, quote, monsters and quote, anti state forces seeking to overthrow the system. Now again, he has just described the National Assembly, which is the Korean Parliament, as, quote, anti-state forces seeking to overthrow the system, which now gives us the specter of the anarcho-parliament. Hahahaha!

I do wonder how much of this type of stuff is influenced by Trump's victory and the enemy within rhetoric. I'm not sure how much influence Trump has in South Korea. I know he has a degree of influence, like pop culture-wise in Japan. I'm not sure of his influence in South Korea, but in terms of just geopolitics, that's very similar to the type of deep state enemy within rhetoric that like Trump used to success. Yeah, I not like tie everything back to America but like I this like subversive shit is sure like stuff that you can trace back to like the original dictatorship right like this is a very very old long-running

thing in Korean politics okay we will get to the coup after I guess we get to a faction that didn't back the coup, which is the, the, the Korean capitalist class. So here are some ads. Salute to our comrades. We want to speak out. We want to raise awareness and we want this to stop. Wow.

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They won't let me move out of their house So if you want an excuse to get out of your own head and see what's going on in someone else's head search for Therapy gecko on the I heart radio app Apple podcasts or wherever get your podcasts. It's the one with the green guy on it. We are back. Now, I will say it is true that this whole thing folded so quickly that we never really got a chance to see how the Korean capitalist class would have reacted other than the fact that all of the newspapers immediately were like, what the fuck are you doing? So it's also worth noting, if you're trying to do a coup right there are four things that you need to do you need to Arrest your senior opposition political figures. You need to seize the radio stations that this includes You know today like newspapers TV stations podcasts, obviously, you know streamers, you know

Yeah, we're a vital part of the media infrastructure that must be controlled I show speed or whatever his name is. He has to come under your control You got to get a and Ross locked in the cage fast I fast I think speed would have fucking gone just gone sick on bone on their special forces guys given how just like unbelievably their asses got kicked You know, you have to seize the airports. You have to take the major government buildings, right? So how many of these did this coup manage to do? They did like zero, right? They sort of kind of took most of the National Assembly. Yeah, but that lasted what like an hour?

Yeah, yeah, we'll get to that in a second. So it seems like what we have reporting from the Democratic Party of Korea, they claim that the military attempted to arrest the head of the National Assembly, the head of the Democratic Party, and then also the head of the PPP, which is People's Power Party, which is Yoon's own party. So he tried to have the head of his own party arrested by Korean Special Forces. And it didn't work because none of them were at their offices It's so funny cuz they kept putting out these like arrest boards for like but like the opposition party his own party And the assembly was like oh Nice price nice tricer

And you know they did legitimately shut down some news outlets not was it you know that was sort of genuine I saw reporters like fucking like fighting with the military in the streets. Yeah. It was sick. Yeah. Well, this is why this is such a bad idea, right? Like in the words of a football commentator whose name I'm forgetting right now, who had the greatest cast light in all of human history, oh no! Disaster! What a bad idea Like I okay just just from the logistics of this right pretty up on the list of countries

You don't want to try to hold by military force is South Korea And there's a lot of reasons for this one You know you're dealing with like one of the largest industrial bases in the world the other thing is like this is an entire country of protesters and capitalist protesters very scary country of protesters and capitalist protesters very scary well but like like everyone fucking like fucking everyone in this country either like was a protester when they were a fucking kid or was one now to the extent were like liberal members of Parliament know how to build barricades it's so cool this

actually matter enormously like like fucking guys who are just like random aids where there are videos of this of the of like just like random staffer guys like holding barricades from like against like paratrooper units and like like just random staffers like Shooting fire extinguishers at armed special forces units like can you fucking imagine that shit in the US like it was very cool to see Yeah like this is this is why this is such a terrible idea because Everyone has a whole bunch of institutional memory and experience of this, right? Not just because, you know, the Democratic Party, right?

Which is the party that this was largely targeted at. Most of like the elder statesmen of this party used to be Korean student protesters. Like, they're all veterans of the campaigns that brought down the military government. And it's not just that there's like a there's a memory of it. It's like there are protests outside the National Assembly like every fucking day, right? Like again, the last time they brought down a prime minister with mass protests was seven years ago this is a whole country of people who know how to do this shit and For some reason these idiots were like we have no popular support whatsoever

And we're just gonna be able to like roll over this entire country in one night so I think the plan was to hold the National Assembly and prevent the National Assembly from convening so that there was nobody who could override the the martial law order. Yeah that sounds pretty basic right just keep them out of the building so that they can't do anything. Yeah so they failed. Easy right oh oh no they failed. Yeah so so the thing the problem here again is that you're dealing with an entire country that has been doing this for fucking ages right so they do this at like 1030 at night and immediately what happens is just like a bunch of drunk guys in bars like show up to the National Assembly.

Like the moment I knew it was doomed was there. I was reading in the New York Times, they had an interview with this guy who showed up. This is again the part that we're talking about this being a country of protesters like these guys aren't like leftist like revolutionaries, right? This one of the guys they were talking to you, they the New York Times, like their journals on the ground pulls over a random guy. And he's a 60 year old real estate agent. Right. This is a guy who should be like this should be the base of a military coup. Right. This is a 60 year old man who does real estate. And he heard about this it immediately his his lie was quote this is the end so he drove for a fucking hour at like one in the morning to show up to the National

Assembly to go fight the army there was just no way this is gonna work and so people even though it's really late at night people just flood out and suddenly there's all of these protesters in front of the National Assembly and they're doing shit like there's this unbelievable video of this soldier like tries to take a guy's phone and this guy has some kind of martial arts training and just grabs his arm and just spins him around. It's the coolest thing. And this guy is like, the soldier's like, well, fuck this, I'm not dealing with this

shit. And there was such like a resignation. In the movements of that military officer. It's just like, well, shit. We could keep fighting, but why what's what's the point like Why am I out here? It's midnight. I should be in bed What's going on and like and I part of this too also and this is it This is a smart decision by someone is that these guys weren't issued with actual bullets

So when I say these guys and this is this is the you know, the actual alarming part of that this is that these were largely Korean paratrooper units. And Korean paratrooper units are some of the most unhinged, like fascist troops in the entire world. Like these are people who didn't just fight in the Korean War, a bunch of these guys fought in Vietnam, like on the American side, they are notorious as the people who the military has always used to sort of put down protests.

One of the most famous examples of this is the Gwangju uprising in 1980. This was a pro-democracy uprising after one of the various stages of insane military coup stuff was going on in South Korea in 1980. And there's a large democratic uprising from sort of students and workers. There's a bunch of strikes, they take this area and the paratroopers come in and shoot them all. They kill probably several thousand people. And a lot of the paratrooper units that were deployed to take the National Assembly were literally the same units that were sent in to crush this uprising in 1980. So this was in some ways very, very scary, right? Because these are like, again, these are the units that were sent in to shoot a bunch of fucking civilians in the streets in order to keep military rule intact.

However, comma, this time these pair of units just got their shit handed to them. So it's sort of unclear exactly what was going on in the National Assembly. It seemed like some National Assembly members were still there. But somehow, and we know part of how this happened, which is protesters were just there's a video of I think it was like the opposition leader, the protesters like, like pushed him

up over a fence, so he could break into the National Assembly and get past the military barricades. Like 190 lawmakers somehow like got into the National Assembly and barricaded themselves in. This also shows a level of like dedication that I suspect none of our lawmakers would do. No, they're not going to break into the Capitol when it's surrounded by military guard. You know, we had this with January 6th, right?

And like, what did our Congress people do during January 6th? They all ran and hid. I mean, these are slightly different circumstances, but. Yeah, this is true, but like, you know, okay, so if you look at, there's been a lot of shit talking of the American people's willingness to protest and stuff in the light of like watching the Korean people

overturn this coup in like three hours. And I will point out that in 2020, this was this was literally four years ago, like we put the president of the United States in a bunker, people fought the Secret Service hand to hand outside the gates of the White House, like the police in this country lost control of the centers of several major American cities. So like Americans will fight, right? But can you imagine like Nancy Pelosi or like like Chuck Schumer or whoever was around like

trying to set up bear like like setting up barricades to stop the army from like marching into like no, it's unreal. And these were good barricades to these were very well constructed barricades. These are barricades that like are better than a lot of barricades I've seen set up by protesters over the like in the US over the last few years. And the consequence of this was that the National Assembly just voted for the coup to be over because they can just vote to say that the martial law is over. And then the military kind of just like well shit and just kind of left.

I mean they waited in the wings for a little bit. Yeah. And we were all curious to see what the president was going to do after the assembly was like, uh, nice try, sir. And I guess we will talk about that after another message from these ads. We want to speak out, we want to raise awareness, and we want this to stop. Wow, very powerful. I'm Ellie Flynn and I'm an investigative journalist. When a group of models from the UK wanted my help, I went on a journey deep into the

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It's the one with the green guy on it. And we are so back. We are so back. It has never been more over for President Yun. That is true. It has never been more over for president you and that is true it has never been more over so part of the part of the weird part about this is that you just like vanishes for most of this like we don't hear from him until like the morning when he announces that he's gonna roll back the martial law

thing but he needs his cabinet there to do the vote so he's gonna do it later I don't know but the troops have already all pulled out by this point and and like they go back to their barracks after the National Assembly. It's like, what the fuck? So there's been a lot of hay made about how 190 members of the National Assembly showed up and every single one of them voted to end martial law. And like, that's cool. But I've seen a lot of people be like, oh, look at how democratic the PPP, which is the right wing party that unions a part of is from like they voted to do

It but like okay. Yes, it was this was a unanimous vote I need everyone to understand that there are 300 members of the National Assembly and that means that means 110 of them didn't Show up and that of the people who showed up there were only 18 members Yeah of the PPP who showed up to this now and part of that like it is true It is it was a bit difficult to get through the fucking military occupation with paratroopers, but everyone else seemed to have managed to, so, you know, and Ewan's own party also just hates him, because again, like, one of the scandals he's going down for is, like, fucking with their primaries, and, like, getting a bunch of people who had safe seats, like, losing their safe seats, so he could put his guys in,

and again, he also tried to arrest the head of his own party, so. So like these people don't like him for very immediate person or reasons, not because the PPP is somehow like a party more committed to democracy than the Republican Party is here. Like, no, these people all suck. Like, oh God. But this leaves us with the aftermath of this. And the first thing I want to kind of go over is what the fuck were they doing? Because again, if you look at the sequence of events here, right, there's this coup, right? The the martial law goes into effect. The army backs it and tries to occupy the National Assembly. But then the National Assembly votes that the martial law is over and then the army just leaves now What if you go back to remember when I was talking about the beginning of this right?

Seizing the National Assembly is not something you were allowed to do during a state of emergency state of emergency or a Martial law imposition right that's something explicitly the army is banned from doing They did it anyways Which means that like probably a bunch of generals are also going to prison for this. But then they also immediately backed down when it became clear that, you know, there was going to be resistance and that if they were going to try to stop this, they were either going to have to beat the shit out of or just like actually shoot a bunch of

lawmakers in the National Assembly. And I understand that that's a bad idea. And I get why these people didn't want to do that, just like from their own thing politically. But if you weren't willing to do that, why did you do this in the first place? Like, how did you think this was going to go? Like, the only thing I could think of is that they thought they could just sort of they thought it was 1030 at night. We can just shock and awe everyone. Yeah. We'll just roll them over.

But like, do you know what country you are in? I mean, yeah, it's a massive miscalculation. That's what makes this the worst coup since Bolivia. I think it's worse than Bolivia. Oh, absolutely. Because it shows a complete disconnection from understanding the country that you're in. What the fuck were they doing? Yeah.

And the willingness of the people to get mobilized at 1030. And the willingness of your own lawmakers to try to put like some level of resistance to this, even if it's not like physically fighting the army, which some of them ended up doing. Which they did. They fought the army. Like, ah, what a world. And also with, with Bolivia too, you know, there's okay. So a with Bolivia, there's a lot of debate over whether that coup was real or not. I lean towards it was there's a lot of people think it was staged

But also if it wasn't staged the excuse they have is that the general who was leading it was about to get fired So he just had to go right it's like well, yeah Okay, it looked like a completely half-cocked coup because it was they just they had to go before he got fired this one there was no time pressure he could have just done this whenever with better planning. And I don't know, it's all very, very deeply weird. In terms of what's happening next. I mean, Yoon was finished anyways. Like he again, he had a 20% approval rating going into this coming out of this. There's immediately the Democratic Party is trying to impeach him like a bunch of the PPP who's again supposed to be his party are also going along with it because they hate

him there was some very funny comments from PPP guys who were like his supporters who were like well he literally one of them said that he did this thing has anyone thought about like the pressure of burden placed on him maybe someone should have gotten to talk to him he did this because he was lonely which is the most insane thing I've ever heard of my life like he just he just tried to argue that this guy you know coo because he was lonely It's the itself evolution it's finally happening in South Korea Yeah, and like he is going to get impeached

the only way he's not gonna get impeached is if the judiciary steps in to save him and I Can't imagine them trying it after again, he just tried to do a coup. He's going to prison, like probably his defense secretary is going to prison, like the defense minister is going to prison, probably a bunch of military guys are going to prison. Like this is- God, it's so funny. They have just effectively annihilated their own political power for a generation. Like this faction of people who have been running the country is just gone. I mean, they'll still be the PPP, right?

They'll still be like conservatives, but like they just have obliterated themselves in maybe the most spectacular fashion I have ever seen. And you know, what happens from there is sort of unclear. Is it right now? we're recording this... Wednesday. Yeah, Wednesday at like 10 a.m. Yeah, so it's unclear exactly what's gonna happen in the time between when this... when we record this and when this goes out.

But Yoon is finished. This is... It's pretty joker. Yeah, and I'm hoping that we see a serious attempt to actually, like, deal with the fact that the army is ran by a bunch of people who tried to do a coup? We won't. We might. Well, no, like, here's the thing. In the US, absolutely not. South Korea, maybe there's a chance there's like a there is a

slight chance that people get purged from this right in a similar way to like lula kind of purging some of the army my south korea does good things card is already full up because of yesterday that's true i can't imagine they're gonna do more because it's south korea well i will also say like one of the things that's happening is korea's like major trade union federation is like doing a general strike until until the impeachment happens so you know there was a lot of pressure to clean house here. And a lot of Korean liberalism is based on this mythos of the student protesters and the protesters who brought down the military dictatorship. And trying to do a military coup and immediately failing is the best possible thing you could

have done for them. The consequences of this for you are going to be extremely bad. I hope we get a better Korea out of this. I hope this sort of starts to stem the tide of the unhinged right-wing surge that's been happening there for a while now. It'd be nice if this was like the tip of the bell curve in the global far right takeover. Yeah.

I mean, it's... wow, it went bad. May every single right-wing attempt to do this go this badly, because good lord. What a heartwarming tale. Yep. Well, that's been it for us today here at It Could Happen Here. Tune in tomorrow for more exciting tales of political co-abs. Yeah, and quite possibly, quite possibly this is going to happen to you too. And I want everyone to understand that in terms of military cues in the last six months, the protesters are two and

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