It Could Happen Here - The Supreme Court Will Not Save You

Episode Date: April 5, 2024

James and Mia go through three upcoming Supreme Court disasters and how the court's brutality precludes court-based organizing strategies.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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unelected dipshits in hideous costumes who can, at a whim, destroy your life. I'm your host, Mia Wong. With me is James Stout. Hi, Mia. I'm excited to hear about the Supreme Council or whatever they're called. Like the Jedi Council? It's a problematic comparison in a lot of ways. it's a problematic comparison in a lot of ways but like the thing i immediately think of is the extent is is like like iran like i don't like i do not like iran right but iran gets so much

shit for having the shura council right which is like this council that's like above their parliament above their president they can make a bunch of decisions as a bunch of power that's like we also have a shura council, except instead of protecting the Islamic Revolution, it's designed to protect the ideology of a bunch of right-wingers from Harvard. And it's like, well, this is great. For sure, like, yes, yeah, we have a group

of unelected, half-dead people whose entire thing is to protect capital and specifically the theft of land from indigenous peoples that the thing that that they uh they love to do and again to defend iran here like we did this first like this is like that one won't get ever clipped out and used in other contexts that's great we kind of pioneered this right like we were we were trying to try to like take the uh give give

monarchism a soft landing you know so we uh we had some other unelected half-dead people yeah and this this has the the results of this have been disastrous and are widely regarded by everyone as a disaster so we're going to be talking about a few cases that the supreme court is going to do and also we're going to be talking about the supreme court and how it relates to sort of liberal what i guess i would call sort of liberal ngo or sort of progressive ngo political and legal strategy because all of that stuff needs to be thrown out the window immediately and it hasn't been yeah so all right let's start with texas bill for a very gay it's basically just like a turbo fascism bill that lets texas police racially profile someone and go i think this person's

here legally and immediately arrest them yeah crucially it's i think right like yeah so it's like again we are giving the texas police like the the heroes who ran away from uvalde we are giving them the power to go i did this person isn't white i think they're here legally i can arrest them and then if they do arrest someone who's undocumented there's the basically the way it works so it's it's it's it sets up a series of criminal penalties, like prison time. I think if you repeat offender, you get a felony. But mostly what it does is it lets the judge immediately just deport them. Now, this is, to use a technical term, obviously insanely illegal, like constitutionally.

The constitution is very clear that that immigration is is you know constitutionally the purview of the federal government um it's very funny reading like scotus blog because people have to sort of pretend that like people are making real legal arguments here yeah it's like when uh when donald trump is ever like i we're looking at donald trump's policies uh next week spoiler alert but like i've been writing about his proposed immigration policies and you have to be like no this shit's just fucking it's not legal it's just not like yeah some crackpot old dude who thinks the fringes on the flag mean that you're under adultery law that he's got a fucking argument but he's wrong

like this is ready to illegal shit yeah and so this bill was supposed to go into effect there's a whole series of very convoluted court battles over it and this new court was just like yeah this can go into effect until basically until the case goes on and then eventually it eventually didn't go into effect because another

another federal court was like obviously this is insane we can't let this go into effect what the fuck are you guys talking about? And like this, this bill, the legal justification for this is batshit. It's so OK, they're trying to invoke the state war clause, which is this is this really like old timey law. it's this really like old timey law. Okay. So the thing,

the thing about like the 1700s and the 1800s is that it takes a significant amount of time to get people from, I don't know, you're, you're, you're, you're drawing your like border militia from Kentucky and you're, you're moving it to Texas, right?

That takes a lot of time. And so basically it was like, okay, so if, if you're Texas and you're getting attacked by someone you're supposed to be able to use your own troops to defend it and you're supposed to be able to like sort of semi-autonomously run your own defense policy right and that was supposed to be a thing to let to allow states to like you know use their militia to do stuff before

like federal troops got there um abbott is arguing that people crossing the border from mexico is an invasion and that this allows him to like legally allows him to start doing this stuff and this is like it's it's funny because you can even see that the biden administration people being like you've got to be fucking kidding me because like obviously like i mean it's not like biden doesn't want to murder people coming over the border but you know bias people are like well okay like no obviously this is not a war right i mean just yeah we're not in fact what are you talking about yeah no yeah i mean that that was kind of always the obvious end point with this of invasion military age, males rhetoric, right?

It was like, okay, well, we better shoot them all. That was clearly what they were shooting for. Yeah, and it's gotten really, really grim. And it's gotten, you know, again, it's literally getting to this point where they're trying to argue that there is a physical war going on. And you read these articles about it, and the press will be like, well they're saying this because like people are crossing the border and like there's cartels it's like what the fuck are you talking about this has nothing like this is nothing this is literally nonsense like it is they they are pointing at the sky and going the sky is orange and the press is going well if you like if you stare directly into the sun and then blink, it looks like maybe the sky is a little bit orange.

It's like, what the fuck are you people doing? It's it's genuinely some of the worst journalistic malpractice I've ever seen. You see this like every single time they're trying to do this sort of like balance. It's like, no, there's no actual sort of balance here. But on the other hand this doesn't matter because the supreme court was just like yeah this can go into effect right and and like the other thing you'll see like i guess this was more in the trump era right was like uh yeah you'd see someone trump would do a thing and everyone rather than just being like this

one's fucking illegal everyone uh can we just wrap this up seth abramson would write 75 000 tweets about how like it was gonna result and people began to have this belief that like the fucking supreme court was made up of like magical rainbow unicorns who were gonna sweep in and save us all from fascism like these are the same people who are hanging out with the guys who had their like fascist statues and uh yeah taking massive uh kickbacks like it's just i i don't it none of this legality stuff i guess no it doesn't matter it doesn't matter that's the problem yeah like and like i think this is something that you were hinting at earlier but like it shouldn't factor in our organizing like i see so many people pin so much hope on x court case or y court case like institutions created by people who owned other human beings are not going to fucking save us

yeah and you know this is something that the right has actually i think understood it very well partially in the way that they've they've been able to sort of institutionally capture huge portions of the court system and because they understand that the law is fucking meaningless and you know it's it's you can because and you you can just tell the cops to do whatever the fuck you want one of the strategies they've been using has like if specifically to get this bill through is by just having judges issue like temporary injunctions and other injunctions to like allow something to go into effect but then you know with the intention of just never letting them expire right so what you're getting basically is just judges implementing policy by fiat by continuously going oh well this can go this can go because we're giving like a we're you know we're on like our 38th one month injunction

and right you know and this is the thing that like the biden administration's plan to deal with this is to be like well you shouldn't be able to do that but like how are you going to stop them right the court system is set up in such a way that these people are just feudal lords they're almost completely autonomous the only people who can overrule them are the people above them but the problem there too and this is something the republicans have been using very effectively is that it takes time for a court above it to you know just oh to overrule the like insane thing the court below them is doing and if the court below them is just constantly churning out just nonsense over and over again then they can just do whatever the fuck they want because even even if the court above them actually did want to do something about

this which in very rare cases sometimes happens they literally can't because they've just been you know because they're just sort of swamped by all of this just absolute bullshit that's being thrown out yeah if you take a case which just to not make this like a partisan thing if you take a case in which like the supreme court might line up with the uh i guess a lot of republican positions but also a position that many people listening to this podcast might take for instance california's gun laws right california passes so many fucking gun laws so often that the time that it takes for even if they are like contravening something like the bruin decision right um or the spirit of the bruin decision it takes so long for them to pass all

the way up and maybe eventually go to supreme court maybe not right that in effect california can do things which seem like the supreme court would say they were unconstitutional it doesn't really matter because they can still do them right and with the go through the ninth circuit in california you can make decisions that affirm those and like it doesn't matter it doesn't matter what's constitutional or or more importantly like what's just um if you look if you're looking for the justices for justice you're looking in the wrong place yeah exactly and when it comes to border stuff like as before that me is talking about like that kills people you know like like and some of the most desperate

people on earth like i've been to that border in texas you know like you're not swimming across that river because you think you might get a playstation 5 when you get to the other side it's fucking dangerous and the journey to get there people who tend to come across the land border to texas sort of want to like migrants aren't fucking stupid they have access to all the same news and information that you do they have smartphones it might be a little bit older but it can still read shit and uh that they know that the ninth circuit is kinder so if they have the money they will come to californ it, it, for some people end up in California without very much money. We've seen that a lot with African migrants in Tijuana, but like a lot of the people going to Texas is because that's the land route walking north and they don't have the finances to go

anywhere else. And, uh, those people are extremely like, they're like, there are any number of reasons why they, they have a legitimate right to asylum or just a right not to be fucking profiled or like any other person of color living in texas has yeah a basic right not to be profiled and demonizing those people is being used as a like a trojan horse just to do straight up racism law yeah and then meanwhile like you know you have fucking clarence thomas who's sitting there who has gotten more kickbacks than every single one of these people who's crossed the

border of their total wealth combined yes is sitting there being like ah fuck you it's legal to throw these people into the chainsaw like it's fine yeah exactly like i don't really know how people maintain their faith in a system which yeah holds this dude completely unaccountable for very obviously being bent like bent isn't corrupt no i'm not using a homophobic slur no this is the wait what that's a homophobic yeah i think it's really british english british wild yeah yeah i've never heard either of those oh really okay no yeah welcome to the podcast where i say british things and i Ian bleeps some of them out. Do you know what else says British things and occasionally has some of them bleated out? It's Chumba Casino presented by wankers.

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other cases coming down the pipeline that we wanted to talk about because so obviously the stream court you know has directly already done stuff with sb4 but the loss they're still still in the process hearing the lawsuit um there's also a case about mephipristone which is an aborter fact it which is you know one of the ways that if you are you're in a place where it is illegal for you to normally get an abortion this is a way you can do it so okay the the the basis of this case is that um in 2016 2021 the fda did one of the few good things it's ever done and there were some sort of changes to legal classifications around for that allowed you to get it not not allowed you to get it without having to get it directly prescribed by a doctor so you know you could have nurse practitioners do it and also it was a thing

that didn't work like you you can get it over the counter. And also, it was a thing that didn't work. You can get it over the counter. It was not a thing that suddenly requires an enormous amount of sort of doctor bullshit. And it also used to require physical visits. You'd have to go find a doctor in another state and get them to private to you. And so that all went away. You're able to get it through telemedicine. to get it through telemedicine and immediately basically after i i get i guess probably the peak of the republican counter-revolution in the last four years where they destroyed the national well they destroyed the tattered remains of roe a bunch of like deranged right-wing groups

set about to get mesopristone bands and so basically what they're trying to do is is overturn they're trying to get its its approval by the fda overturn and also the approval for the generic version of it overturned right and this is the the whole strategy here is very weird because okay so this is like one of the things about the us and part part of the reason all of this court stuff is so weird because of the structure of the sort of regional autonomy of the courts you can basically just do court shopping you can go find some like guy who's basically a feudal baron in texas and be like hey you hate abortion like here write some piece of paper that says this is legal now and so there have been a series of

sort of battles over different levels of courts yeah you know like approving or disapproving some things this is this is one of these cases that's actually so obviously it's the the the immediate consequence here is if the supreme court decides that you can ban this it's going to get really really fucking bad for a lot of people but this is also a case that feeds into another trend that's been happening which is the republicans attempting to use the court system to just completely annihilate the federal bureaucracy because the other thing that's at stake here and this is you know the obviously the people's access to getting abortions is the most important part of it the subsequent

less important part of it is that right now there is a there are national standards for for prescriptions right there's unified national like the is a there are national standards for for prescriptions right there's unified national like the fda has unified national standards for food safety and like and if this gets knocked out that's like gone yeah and so suddenly large massive parts i mean like courts having the ability to just sort of go in and nuke like FDA approvals for stuff. Right. Right.

States being able to like, this is going to rip, like tear, like, like tearing the fucking guts out of the entire American sort of like legal bureaucracy. It's, it's coming apart.

Yeah. It's yeah. And, and the, and the, the, like the medical, you know,

your access to medicines that someone else doesn't want you to have yeah this is one of these cases that has you know there's there's sort of two elements at work here right there's there there's there's there's the there's the immediate like republicans are trying to ban every single way you can possibly get an abortion to force people to have kids because this is you know this is part of their sort of reactionary ideology and then there's the other part of it where there's been there's been a few other cases like this too um one of the one of the things it looks like they're trying to do is get we're gonna i'm gonna do a full episode about this at some point when i can get a good labor lawyer to talk about it but they're trying to overturn the national

labor relations act which is the act that basically sets up the right to unionization and the whole the whole process of uh how how labor mediation works and i mean then there's other ones where i mean like really substantively enormous parts of of the american sort of the american state are just being torn apart in ways that are specifically designed to just allow corporations and these like fiefdom judges to have effectively unlimited political power yeah yeah i know it's so fucking bleak like it's uh i mean it's also predictable right like it's kind of the nature of of the state and it's, I mean, it's also predictable, right? Like it's kind of the nature of the state and it's the nature of these people to want to honestly take away.

Like the state ultimately is not there to protect you. It's there to protect capital. And like, it's a failure of our organizing when we keep going back to the state and asking it to do something that it fundamentally has no interest in doing. Yeah. And this is really a substantive issue with – I remember this. This was the ACLU strategy under Trump, and I've talked about this on the show before.

The ACLU strategy under Trump was to go to the courts and win there. I mean, this has been the sort of – the political strategy getting back to sort of the civil rights era. And that's – you can't do this anymore because it doesn't it doesn't even like whether or not you are correct like like legally correct about a thing right which used to be what this was just sort of hinged on and whether you could convince justice to this like this doesn't matter anymore like they've you know like if you if you read the ruling on on like if you actually go through and read the ruling that overturned roe v wade right like the league the legal logic in there is deranged it's just like yeah we didn't have this

x number of years ago so fuck it like you can't do this now it's like this is this is nonsense but it doesn't matter because the the act the actual weight of the law is not is not you know a sort of like series of debates about like logic or about the efficacy or the meaning of text it's just about who has the power to point guns at people and the answer is you don't have that you you dear listener do not have that power okay do you know who else is going to destroy the American federal bureaucracy

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it's pretty interesting if you give it a shot. Matter of fact, here's a few more examples of the kinds of calls we get on this show. I live with my boyfriend and I found his piss jar in our apartment. I collect my roommate's toenails and fingernails. I have very overbearing parents. Even at the age of 29, they won't let me move out of their house. So if you want an excuse to get out of your own head and see what's going on in someone else's head, search for Therapy Gecko on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's the one with the green guy on it. And we are back for more horrors so we're going to talk about one more case which is grab pass versus johnson which is a case to decide whether or not you can make it illegal to be homeless yeah yeah talking pointing guns at people this one's uh this one's about pointing

guns at homeless people which is great great good so this is one I've been following a little bit just because one thing that Todd Gloria loves to do is criminalize poverty. And I happen to unfortunately live in a city of which he is mayor. In San Diego, we have seen like, it's all the things they told you Republicans would do, our Democrat mayor is doing.

And what the Gr pass versus johnson case is about it's a city of grants pass which i guess is a place in oregon and it's whether they can criminalize sleeping on the street if there are no safe shelter beds available so that the idea here being that like again like this is you one has to understand that i'm speaking from the logic of the state when i try and explain this like that if there is a shelter bed to go to they can compel you to go to it with with threat of of prosecution right or criminalization but if there is not a shelter bed to go to then like you're not somehow your culpability changes right like you're not refusing to take shelter there is no shelter for you to take and so grants pass is obviously trying to criminalize people even when there are shelter

beds available now what's interesting about grants pass is that not the place the court the court case what's interesting about the court case is that you'll see these big liberal cities filing amicus briefs so amicus it literally means um it's from amicus curiae friend of the court right which they can do in favor of either side san diego los angeles other large democrat cities i'm sure are all filing briefs in favor of criminalizing living on the street, even when there are not shelter beds available. Now, if we look at the San Diego context specifically, one of the questions which will come up in this case is, what is a safe shelter bed? So what San Diego likes to do currently is put people in tents, in parking lots, where they often flood because San Diego is not designed

to deal with rain and because our city has completely failed to clear out storm drains, resulting in people losing their homes this winter. And so some of these parking lots flood where people are forced to live. These tents are not, like, they're not even good tents, actually. They managed to buy, this is remarkable, actually. If you were buying a tent, Leah, can you think of any, there's no way for me to phrase this,

they bought fucking tents with slurs on the side. I don't know how you managed to do, yeah, it's like, the tents are, quote, Eskimo brand. Jesus Christ. Yeah, it's incredible stuff but like

it's I see there was no way to be like what would you be concerned about when buying a tent because a slur on the side

would not have come up I would not think about that why would you why would there be why would there be slurs on the side of your tent yeah yeah

what were you doing here how could you given the purchasing power of the third largest city in california somehow elect to purchase a tent which is racist uh like i don't know but that's why i am not a member of san diego democrat party so one of the things that will come up is like what constitutes a safe shelter in practice again this doesn't matter hugely other than it's a Supreme Court giving a nod to local governments to further criminalize being unhoused, to drive unhoused people further from services, further from sight, right? In San Diego's case, that means into

canyons, into rivers, rivers flood, canyons get extremely hot in the summer. More than one person every single day already dies on our streets here in an extremely wealthy and prosperous area of the world this will make it worse because they will get that nod to continue criminalizing people rather than trying to help them in practice what cities will do including san diego is just hold back a few shelter beds to allow them to cite anyone right like in practice they're still going to cite people even if the demand for beds is much higher than the provision of beds so like in that case they will still continue to find it's not a workaround but they think it is

right that they can just criminalize being unhoused in this fashion but it it does it represents like a nod from the top down right to go even harder after people who are too poor to make rent at a time when rent is less affordable than it has been in generations and so like it's one to watch it's one where like yet again you find like the democrats i guess lining up on on the right hand side of the issue, the right-wing side of the issue, the state violence side of the issue. And it will, I'm sure, open up the door to more what they call camping bans, which is a euphemism. Again, they are bans on being unhoused within city limits. And I think it's one to keep an eye on. But again, it's Clarence Thomas,

the guy who goes to the billionaire's house with the racist statues and the Nazi statues. He's not the guy who's going to come in swinging for the person who has to sleep under the underpass because they can't make rent. And if you think the fucking liberal justices are going to give a shit either, these are the people whose fundamental political principles that the police have the right to like okay there is a decision

that i can't remember the fucking name of that was a it was it was it was it should it should have been a very very basic you are guaranteed due process thing right under the fourth amendment and this and in a nine no decision the supreme court ruled that the cop the cops are allowed to violate people's due process because if they didn't do this there couldn't be a functional police force in this country because this is how the police were doing all their fucking work so if you think those people right that was nine oh nine zero decision that was that was a fucking ruth bader ginsburg special right if you think those people are going to be like oh hey

damn maybe maybe people who don't own property have rights like no no like yeah no like look when faced with a choice between like liberty and and then the necessity of maintaining a state's capacity to do violence to anyone at any time they chose the latter right and i i guess like if i can get on my soapbox for a minute like you need to stop expecting these people to come and save you like specifically with reference to the fucking grant pass case like the person who is going to stop your unhoused neighbor dying is you it's not an ngo it's not the city it's not the county it's not the feds those people fundamentally that they're the incentive is not for them to care like your incentive as a person who shares humanity with

that person is to care and to do something and like yeah i guess like don't wait take the time you would have spent reading about a fucking supreme court case and make sandwiches and go hand them out because that is the only way we solve this. And I think that's as good a place as any to stop. Yeah, this has been It Could Happen Here. It Could Happen Here is a production of Cool Zone Media. For more podcasts from Cool Zone Media, visit our website, coolzonemedia.com or check us out on the iHeartRadio app,

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