It Could Happen Here - The Union Comes for Brunch

Episode Date: May 7, 2024

Mia talks with Janie and Sol from Fried Egg Works Union about unionizing Portland staple Fried Egg I'm In Love, why workers should unionize preemptively, and the challenges and advantages of unionizing small businesses   https://gofund.me/11d9775d @friedeggwu on insta/x/tiktok $friedeggwu on cashapp.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Calls are media. Call zone media. Your host, Mia Wong. And today we are talking about something that we kind of haven't been covered. We haven't covered as much as I think we should have, which is unionization in small businesses. We've talked a lot about unionization in sort of larger things. We've talked about sort of mid-sized chains. But today we're talking about the unionization of a place called Friday. I'm in love in Portland, which it's, it's, if you sort of imagine the platonic ideal of what do you think a place called Friday, I'm in love is going to be like, it is in fact that, um, and with me to talk about this is Sol and Janie from the Friday workers

union. Uh, yeah, both of you welcome to the show. Thank you so much. Yeah. Thanks for having us. Yeah, both of you, welcome to the show. Thank you so much. Yeah, thanks for having us. Yeah, I'm excited to talk about this. Partially, you know, I mean, as we sort of discussed a little bit, because I want to get into a bit later the specific dynamics of sort of small business union stuff. But first things first, I wanted to sort of talk about what actually, you know, how did you all decide to unionize?

Because I think this is a bit different story than the kind of thing we usually get on this show. Absolutely. Well, I've been at this particular restaurant since 2019, and it's been something that's come up every now and then. I think we're just a very queer workplace. We're a very leftist workplace, And we tend to have a lot of common ideals. And I feel like what makes our unionization effort unique, or maybe not unique, but just different than a lot of like, we need to start a union right now kind of efforts is there wasn't a thing that caused it. We were all like me and five other people

were just sitting around a table and decided, hey, we should just start a union. And so we kind of looked into what that looks like and the snowball started rolling downhill. Yeah, and this is something I think is really interesting because, you know, I mean, one of the things you get really commonly in sort of like anti-union propaganda,

you see this, like, so a lot of my family were engineers right and engineers do this all the time where they're like oh we don't need a union we're like happy we're well paid everything's great and then you know you look at you look you look at what happens to them and it's like oh well now you have boeing right it's like well you you you all you all never organize you no longer have any power and your planes are like falling from the sky. So yeah, this is a, I'm taking my soapbox moment to be like you two out there,

even if your job is good, at some point it's going to not be and you should unionize first before they, I don't know, like be Google and decide that don't be evil actually constrains them from making money and decide to be evil. So get out ahead of them before. Couldn't agree more.

Absolutely. This has felt very, very proactive. nearly as long as some of my comrades, but the general consensus is that things are pretty good. So instead of letting things go bad, let's make major steps to protect what we have. Especially as you kind of notice how this small business is slowly, slowly starting to operate like not a small business. And we had a one of our food carts was upgraded to a brick and mortar at the beginning of this year.

pretty much in that in that moment that that started operating as a real restaurant it things really clearly i think started setting in that like this is a bigger operation than it used to be and they very like the owner very much still has the intention of making it as good of a place to work as he can which is to be appreciated but it's also understandable that as things start to grow it's a lot better if it's a collaborative process in terms of making it the best place to work that it can be and i think uh getting a seat at the table is something that we have to make for ourselves, but it doesn't necessarily have to be a threat or a retaliation. This is something I think is kind of important with unionizing,

especially places that are kind of, you know, like, or, you know, we're even, even where the sort of the boss is legitimately trying to like do the right thing, which like,

it's kind of true of like my work, right? Like, you know, like the, the people above my bosses are kind of a fiasco, but like my immediate, like bosses are like,

you know, it's Robert and Sophie, right? Like they're pretty chill. But you know, like, like what, what,

what are the dynamics that sets in is like, you know, it's not what the actual conditions are isn't necessarily always going to be under compete with like i don't know your your like donut shop that like tortures his union workers right you know for example yeah yeah purely abstract purely abstract Purely abstract. Purely abstract. Yeah, absolutely. Seeing a shop of 12 become two shops, a food cart and a commissary kitchen of 35, that definitely, it's just pushing the business in a direction very naturally. It feels very much like a part of how systems work. Even if your owner has really good intentions, just the nature of how capitalism works starts to change things at at scale for you. We're talking real conversations with our Latin stars, from actors and artists to musicians and creators, sharing their stories, struggles,

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be very tactical with how we are handling this process where we're making sure that at all four locations, there's a majority, if not unanimous approval and support and membership in the union. And the more that, um, the more that I'm meeting union organizers and union reps and people from IWW, the more that I'm realizing we're in a situation where we can establish some really lovely precedent for similar workplaces who want to start a union who are about the same size as us, or even like neighbors and aren't like on the, on the streets that our locations are at, where we can do things like there's not enough precedent in the IWW for, uh, for a service industry in general, but particularly it's, it's very common to be in the negotiating process. And one of the things that will be offered to the employer

in exchange for, uh uh whatever you're negotiating on is like a no strike clause like okay we'll just we'll give this to you of like we're just not gonna be able to just to strike for the duration of our contract and so in exchange we can get some other stuff that we're asking for but because we have such a strong majority and in all four locations we have a strong majority i think we're currently planning on keeping the right to strike hell yeah and you know we're not planning on it i hope that we don't ever have to do that but just having that as precedent, I think, will help our community and other similar unions. Yeah, absolutely. I think this is something that going back to, if you look at the sort of heyday of American unionism, if you look at the 50s, 60s, 70s, those contracts didn't have no-strike clauses in them.

Some of them did. Sometimes it was like a federal thing. have no strike clauses in them some of them did so sometimes it was like a federal thing but the thing about no strike clauses is that it it makes you know we've talked about this a bit before on the show but one of the one of the sort of issues when you have a union is like okay so even if you get a contract right and that usually takes that takes a long time takes a lot of fighting the company is immediately going to start trying to violate the contract and so you know your your contract is only as strong as your ability to enforce it. And, you know, one of the really, really good way to enforce it is by being able to go on

strike. But normally, like, yeah, people aren't organized enough to actually, like, fight their employers on it. And so it just ends up being a kind of standard part of contracts. And yeah, it's really exciting that y'all are committing to fight for that from the beginning because it's, it's, it's hard. It's, it's not, it's not an easy thing to do. Yeah. The more I learn about how unions operate, the more I'm realizing that, you know, it doesn't necessarily stop people from getting fired. It doesn't necessarily stop people from having, you know know injustice happen upon them but it just gives you the ability to

fight in the first place and i think a lot of employers who are facing a workplace who are wanting to unionize like recognizing that it's it's it's not like a threat it's not like okay we're uh we're gonna have this union and's going to go on strike the next day and our business is going to tank. But they're just asking for the right to have a better negotiating seat. Yeah, this is something I actually think is really interesting about this campaign. There's this really kind of, I don't know. pain where there's this really kind of i don't know i think if you're able to build a precedent of being able to negotiate a contract that doesn't have a no strike clause that allows you to go on strike whatever you know whatever you want is something that is like characteristic of liking

of you know of of an incredibly militant shop but i i think if you can if you can actually get the precedent of you know having companies treat this as normal because it's something that should be normal right like this this is how a lot of the u.s used to work right it used to be if you were on like an auto line assembly line there'd be there'd be a guy in a back with a whistle and if the and if you know if if a contract violation happened or like you know if if the company's asking you to do something that you aren't you know that you're not like contractually obligated to do the person would you know the union person would blow the whistle immediate strike the entire assembly line goes down and you know it turns out you actually can run a completely functional like economy like this but the kind of the mentality of the people who own who own businesses right now is that you should

never at any point like you know you should never at any point let your workers do anything at all you should immediately fight them at the moment they try to unionize and i think you know having a precedent of like you know of of being able to get this kind of stuff without immediately having to launch, like, you know, like immediately, immediately kick off a series of strikes with your employer is, is a good one to, is a good one to set. That we have so many people that are super interested in like being a part of this organizing effort because, because we all like being there. Like is,

I think is huge in comparison like lots of stories that we hear about and um yeah really wanting to like bring that to the restaurant industry because yeah that's unions are you know criminally under recognized within service work yeah and arguably an industry that needs it the most. Yep, yep. Well, and that's the other exciting thing about this shop is that, you know, you were talking about sort of like there not being enough service organizing with the IWW.

And that's true of like basically all unions because, and especially shops at your scale, because, you know, a lot of these unions are using like a very kind of crude cost benefit analysis. And their assessment is like, well, why should we bother to organize like this shop that has 35 people at it? Because, you know, this is going to like the amount of dues money we're going to get out of it is like not, you know, is not, is not worth the effort, but on the other hand, you know, like, do you know how many workers there are? Like how many of these, like how many of these tiny shops across the, there are across the entire country that if, you know, and if everyone just refuses to organize them, then you're leaving like tens of millions of workers just sort of like screwed.

Yeah. Um, I, I can't speak for all IWW, but I know like talking with like the Portland branch, it definitely mirrors our shop and it like how queer and leftist it is. And it's not surprising that they, you know, working with the IWW or with the Coalition of Independent Unions, which is a Pacific Northwest, like union for unions kind of thing. unions which is a pacific northwest like union for unions kind of thing it's not surprising that like our values are aligned and it's like make it making for something like really fun and like you know setting a new kind of industry standard for service industry yeah unfortunately speaking of industry standards i have to go to an ad break uh it's in my contract somewhere probably although i don't think my employers have read my contract in a long time. But you know, such are the dictates of a podcast that your senior bosses don't listen to. Yeah, we will return in however long the ads are. We'll see you next time. This is the podcast for you. We're talking real conversations with our Latin stars, from actors and artists to musicians and creators,

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or wherever you get your podcasts. And we are back. So, okay. Another thing that I kind of wanted to talk about is what has it sort of been like in terms of like, you know, so like how, how, how has, you know, in a shop that's like this small, how has the sort of like organizing conversations gone, right? Like, is, is, is everyone just sort of close enough that, you know, a shop that's like this small how has the sort of like organizing conversations gone right like is is everyone just sort of close enough that you know you were able to kind of do this organically or was there still sort of a like mapping process for all of the shops or well luckily it has gone pretty smoothly but we were advised early on to create an interest map where we go through the list of every coworker that we have and talk about like, how well do we know them? Do we think they would be down?

Like, well, this person would obviously be down. This person, I guess we'll just have to talk to them and see. And apart from a few cases, it has been very successful and easy so far it's really lucky that almost all of our co-workers are comrades yeah i think like our first like conversation was i think about 10 people at like a bar close to like the main hawthorne shop and like once we had like that get together yeah it really became, you know, how do we get our satellite locations, you know, on this, on the same page, you know, um, with like a super majority at one shop, you know, then just moving on to, and, you know, getting them in, you know, collecting them into the fold. And yeah, IWW was very helpful in like how to like kind of create those processes to like ensure that, you know, we were approaching people in the right way and, yeah have it getting a proper head count yeah that can be a disaster um yeah oh god like my union we're still trying to hash out whether

some people are in the union or not and like people will leave the company then this happens all the time right like one of the things you discover really quickly when you do unit organizing is that you're like management doesn't actually know how anything works or like even who's working for them and what they do. They have absolutely no idea. And so you have to do their job and figure out what everyone does. What management would be so mad at you for saying, for saying such blasphemy. You know, look, if they, if they, if if they didn't if they didn't want me to talk negatively about them they should pay me more

they simply do not pay any of us enough that's not a universal rule time to time yeah yeah but i i think that you know what's what's interesting about this shop too is it really seems like y'all just sort of speed ran doing a good campaign. Like you're doing all of the things that you get from good organizers, but then, you know, every once in a while you just get a shop where it just kind of, everything just clicks and goes. It has been five months start to finish, which I feel like is significantly faster than most. Yeah. Most of that is just down to that there aren't very many of us. And so talking to everyone hasn't been that crazy of an endeavor. Yeah.

But I think probably in the first meeting or two, we just crunched the numbers and realized, okay, we're not going to have any trouble uh having a majority but we have to and so the focus of our work went into making sure we do it right and learning to inoculate people and talk to people we haven't talked to yet and people for whom it would be a little more sensitive or uh more like in-depth conversation and uh educating ourselves on what starting a union actually looks like and iww has been very helpful providing these little trainings uh that i've i've been able to go to it's funny that they're on uh sunday

afternoons and so i'm pretty sure i'm the only person at our brunch restaurant who doesn't work sunday afternoons so i've been going to those but yeah this is this is something that like i don't know i feel like it should be a thing that so i was at this will i guess will have come out after the labor notice episode that i'm doing but something that i i i feel like i don't hear much discussion of in in union organizing that i feel like there should be is like fighting management on scheduling and like trying to fight for you know people actually a having consistent schedules and b not just having like i don't know like i i i i know a lot of people who find out their schedule on facebook like four hours before they have to go in. Right.

Like that's insane. That is, that is, that is not a way for an industrial process to function. Right. No. Um, thankfully that has not been one of our issues, at least, at least not systemically at Friday. Yeah. But, but, but it does make it hard to do intro organizational training because it's like

everyone has weird scheduling stuff going on. So it's hard to like, I don't know, I feel like it's an underrated barrier to getting a lot of people from different unions to work together is that no one is ever off at the same time. That's real. Yeah.

Absolutely. I know it's been weird. I think there are a huge aspect of our success i think is that um we have been able to like i think the unique part about the breakfast place is that it's not open from you know a.m to p.m um it's not open from 10 AM to 11 PM. Like a restaurant could potentially be open. We are open for breakfast. We're done at two on the weekdays. And adding in a standing union meeting at 4 PM once a week was very easy to add to everybody's schedule.

I think the nature of the breakfast place lent to that working very, very easily. Yeah. maybe need a little more persuasion that like, Hey, no, don't worry. This is, this is really happening and you can be a part of it. Even if you know that they're pro union, kind of getting the ball rolling with people, uh, sometimes takes a meeting or two and being able to have the peer pressure of like, Hey, we're going to a meeting right now. Uh, I know you're not doing anything after this and I'll give you a ride. Helps a lot. Cause then they go to their meeting and they're like, wow,

that was awesome. I never knew I could take control of my life in any way. Yeah. That rules. There really is nothing like just being in a, in, in, in a place with a bunch of people who all are trying to, like, actually do the thing.

Like, you know, I mean, and I think this is why, you know, like, as we're recording this, like, a bunch of campus occupations are going, right? And, I mean, I don't know. God, hopefully by the time this comes out, they won't have all died horribly

because this is getting recorded on, like, what day is it? April 28th. So, inshallah. an inshallah this is being released into like hell world but yeah you know i mean i think one of the aspects of of of those camps is that like you're just there with a bunch of people who you get to talk to and organize with and it turns out that actually being there face to face with a bunch of people is just great and that's that's the thing that's the thing you can also like that

you know as as much as like union work can just can be work right like it can be you sitting in front of a spreadsheet and going oh my god why won't this person respond like it's also i don't know it's it's also like could be really great. And I don't know, you should, you dear listener should experience it because it rules. I couldn't recommend it more. It is the best feeling in the world. And yeah, so and I are addicted to it. To feel like you're actually doing anything real.

Hell yeah. It's incredible that's yeah something we heard from iw or iww friends is that like this like especially with how early in the process we are like how exciting that is to like just get everybody but everybody in a room and um feel like we're all working towards the same thing um and that you do get addicted to it and that's often where the union organizers came from was like starting their own and they're like oh i need to keep doing this i think i think that's a pretty good note to end on unless you do have anything else that you want to make sure we get to first. Yeah.

Um, with like how early in the process we are, um, like after this comes out, like we will have like dropped our authorization cards and like actually started like the formal process. Like we're still pretty early on, but,

um, we already have, um, a fundraiser set up with like local beer bar we're at, Worker's Tap. Hell yeah. And that's super exciting, and we're building our socials and probably have a GoFundMe for Strike fundraiser.

So yeah, early days, but very very exciting very purposeful days it's gonna be a big week hell yeah yeah where can people go to find the union and go to support you all well our socials are not live yet but alright so yeah this is being recorded

before things go live we will we will have the links down there yeah yeah we I think we're settling on the tag the username fried egg wu which we are saying foo about because you know you gotta you gotta you gotta make you gotta make this fun but yes we will be yeah we will be sharing that with you i'm glad you knew because i wasn't sure if we had a handle agreed upon yet. Yeah, find us on the socials, FridayWU.

With it being early days and us not even being public yet, I've built those accounts, but they're not ready to go. So we're in this dead zone period where we're, we built the infrastructure for a proper, the proper election, even though we are very hopeful that our owner will recognize us with, you know, the majority that we have,

but yeah, we're our zero day is may day a couple of days from now. And we are very excited for that. Very much so. Hell yeah. Hopefully it goes well. It will be in the past by the time this comes out, but good luck to both of you,

and thank you both so much for coming on. Oh, the pleasure belongs to us. We're both fans. Thanks so much, Mia. Thank you for having us on. Yeah. And yeah, this has been naked happen here. You too can go experience the joys of organizing your workplace.

So go, go do that or go to a student occupation or do both. I don't know. There's a lot going on. There are many places for you to experience the joy of organizing with other people. So go, go do that.

And yeah, you can find us in the usual places. I don't know. Sophie will probably be on it about one second. I, in this ad pivot, not ad, whatever this,

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