It Could Happen Here - Who Is Running South Korea?

Episode Date: December 19, 2024

Mia traces the chaotic aftermath of the coup attempt in South Korea and the period before Yoon's impeachment where nobody knew who was running the country. Sources: https://www.commondreams.org/news/south-korean-president-impeachment https://www.npr.org/2024/12/12/g-s1-37854/south-korea-yoon-martial-law https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/09/south-korea-ruling-party-accused-of-second-coup-as-opposition-pushes-for-new-impeachment-vote?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=bluesky&CMP=bsky_gu https://www.npr.org/2024/12/14/nx-s1-5228633/south-korea-parliament-impeach-president-yoon-suk-yeol https://www.npr.org/2024/12/11/g-s1-37718/south-korea-president-insurrection-charges https://www.dw.com/en/south-korean-military-faces-scrutiny-amid-officer-arrests/a-71092765See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to It Could Happen Here, a podcast about the worst coups in all of history. I'm your host, Mia Wong, and we are returning to one of the worst coups I have ever seen because a whole bunch more stuff has happened in our most recent unbelievably dogshit coup in South Korea. The six hour coup in which President Yun declared martial law and tried to shut down the National Assembly and then the National Assembly got together and voted to end the martial law and then it stopped. Extremely bizarre and baffling series of events. And you know, when we last left our intrepid heroes, the people of South Korea, they had just

successfully overturned a coup. No one quite knew what was going to happen in the aftermath. We knew an impeachment vote was coming. A vote to impeach President Yoon. The reason we're coming back to this though, is that the aftermath of all of this has been absolutely baffling. And I think this has all been lost in the news cycle because about a trillion things are happening right now, but the situation in South Korea has been unbelievably weird. And so we're now going to take a look at the actual impeachment of President Yoon and the unbelievably bizarre path that led to it, because my god the more I talk to people the more I realize that people don't know how unbelievably unhinged everything has been since

since the military coup because everyone has moved on so we're going back. So immediately after the coup there is this whole wave of military guys going like we didn't know we were taking part in the coup we're totally innocents like they just let us out of the trucks and suddenly we were at the National Assembly we were like oh what are we doing and there's also been this whole thing of all these Special Forces guys going like oh yeah no no yeah we totally could have taken the National Assembly in 20 minutes if we wanted to we just uh we just like didn't want to take a National Assembly like we didn't really want to do it man

Like our heart wasn't in this coup and like really I have seen the videos of that shit man Like I didn't see you like going in there and kicking ass and taking games I saw you getting your ass kicked by a guy just like blowing your ass up with a fire extinguisher and like not being able to Break a bunch of very well-constructed barricades set up by like fucking Senate aides So that's been extremely funny. So Yoon like vanished the entire time this coup was going on and like nobody knew where he was and no one had seen him and things were kind of fiasco-y. He was just gone. So he finally like reappeared, right?

And as he sort of reappears, he tries to like, do this explanation of why he did the coup. It goes about as badly as you would expect from someone who just failed the worst coup that we've ever seen. Here's from NPR. Quote, In his speech on Thursday, Yoon, a former chief prosecutor, attempted to justify his actions and downplay its significance. He argued that the opposition's quote, legislative dictatorship, unquote, paralyzed state affairs and disturbed social order. Now this is this is going back to the thing that you know he did at the time, right?

He has this thing where he keeps calling the parliament, which is controlled by the Democratic Party, which is like the liberal opposition party. He kept calling the parliaments like opposition anti-state forces. And like, my brother in Christ, what the fuck is a legislative dictatorship? I mean, like, you know, you could be really strictly anarchist about it and be like, well, yeah, all legislators are dictatorships. But my dude, you are not living under a dictatorship because the parliament that your country elected

hates you and refuses to pass your dogshit budget because no one likes you. That is simply not what the word dictatorship means. It reminds me of this thing where like, you know, if you go back and you read like people in the 1800s talking about like 1700s, like 1700s to you, you'll read them talking about monarchies, right? And they'll be like, ah like in the 1800s, like 1700s too, you'll read them talking about monarchies, right, and they'll be like, ah, if the king can like overrule the will of the nobles, we would be living in a pure dictatorship. It's like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, sir, you live under a monarchy, like you are already in a dictatorship, you are also like part of the authoritarian apparatus of the dictatorship, and this is just like the inverse of that, where it's like, ah ah the legislature won't let me do whatever

the fuck I want so this is now a dictatorship and so like you know that's simply not what the word dictatorship means and you can't get away with that shit as much in a country where people like in living memory have lived through an actual military dictatorship and understand what that's like. The parliament refusing to pass your terrible budget. That's not an excuse to institute martial law and try to shut down the legislature. So this was not received well, as you would expect from whatever unhinged speech that was. He did apologize for imposing martial law, which is a very funny place to end up.

It's like you try to do a coup and then you have to go on TV and apologize for trying to do the coup and also try to argue you didn't just try to do a coup. So this is received very poorly. As we sort of predicted immediately, the opposition Democratic Party immediately tries to impeach you. And from the way the headlines kind of work in the West and from the way this is being talked about and even from the way this episode sort of opened, you'd think that this impeachment vote was how we got impeached.

But no, no, the first impeachment vote is not how you get impeached. Everything is way, way weirder than that. Now, you and party, the People's Power Party, which is henceforth going to be called the PPP, because I am not going to say the words people power party over and over again, good lord. The PPP got a lot of credit from people outside of South Korea for like, you know, some of their members legitimately did show up to Parliament to vote against the martial law declaration.

And at the time, in the last episode, I said, that's bullshit. You don't get credit for voting against martial law and also like most of them weren't there and I I kind of got shit for this and I have been absolutely 100% vindicated because the impeachment vote the first one rolls around the first one happens very quickly after the first coup, right? Well the first coup hopefully the only coup hopefully is not a second coup, but this happens very quickly and Well, the first queue, hopefully the only queue, hopefully there's not a second queue, but this happens very quickly. And okay, so the vote rolls around and the entire PPP, the entire party, except maybe like two people just walk out of the chambers.

And because they walk out of the chambers, the vote fails because they don't have they don't have quorum. If you don't have quorum, is it like there's like a minimum number of members that has to be in attendance for for whatever you're doing to be legal to stop like two people from showing up in the middle of the night and being like, aha, I am in the parliament. We've just passed this like order that makes me dictator or whatever. And again, the entire PPP just walks out and they leave and the vote fails because the PPP managed to whip basically its entire membership into trying to keep you in power. -♪ MUSIC PLAYING traditional relationships and explore the often taboo topics surrounding dating, sex, and love.

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All reports we have suggest that Yoon was planning to have the leadership of the PPP arrested. And B. He just literally tried to do a coup. And they're still backing him. And C. We stumble into a very very thorny question that I saw from people in Korea, like the moment after all this stuff happens, but didn't really hit the Western press until later if at all and didn't really hit like the mainstream consciousness and this question will become apparent in a second so here's from the Guardian. Senior PPP politicians have claimed Youn can continue as president while delegating his powers to the Prime

Minister. In arrangement Park that's Park Chan-dae who's a very powerful Democratic Party politician. In arrangement Park, that's Park Chon day, who's a very powerful Democratic Party politician, an arrangement Park described as quote, a blatant constitutional violation with no legal basis. Now, this is true. What Park is saying is right, right? And the fact that the Guardian is saying like that their way of framing this is, oh, the opposition party person says that this is a blatant violation of constitutional law with no legal basis. That's not just the thing that he says, like, this is true. Like, there is no legal mechanism for, well, we don't want to impeach our presidents, but also he just

tried to do a coup. So instead, we're going to take his powers away and give it to the prime minister so he can still serve without us impeaching him. Like, that's not a thing. You can't do this. There's no mechanism for this. The democratic party people are just completely correct here but because for some reason the guardian feels it i mean it's the guardian right like but they feel it necessary to sort of both sides again a fucking coup this is where we are here's more from the guardian quote the leader of the ppp hondong hun said at the weekend that Yoon would not be involved in foreign and other state affairs, with control of the administration shifting to the Prime Minister, Han Duk-su. Han said Yoon's televised apology was effectively a promise to leave office.

Now, no it wasn't! It was not a promise to leave office! What the fuck are you talking about? Like, everyone could just go listen to his apology! He didn't say that! did not say he was going to leave office. Right. And know how he says it's effectively a promise to leave office, but it simply isn't right. Everyone could just like see this. And again, like, you know, okay, so like the thing that the thing that the PPP is trying to do, right, the PPP is trying to have their prime minister like gain control of the administration. Now, there is a mechanism to do this under the constitution. It's called impeachment. The thing that happens when you get impeached is that you get kicked out of office, and we're going to get to this later, but you get kicked out of office and the prime minister gets put into power. And this happens until the Supreme Court

decides whether your impeachment should go through or not, right? So like, there's a mechanism for this. The PPP doesn't want to like impeach Yoon, but they also don't want him seemingly running the country because he appears to be absolutely unhinged and just again declared martial law and tried to knock off the legislature. So you have this whole steaming mess of a situation where the PPP is trying to have it both ways of not having Yoon in power but also not impeaching him but this also begs one very important question Who the fuck was running in the country between the first impeachment vote and the second one? No one knows no one knows who was running this fucking country

This is a country with 51 million people and nobody knew who was fucking running the country and this this barely made the news I'm going insane how how why why why is this a thing that just like completely disappeared beneath the fucking like chatter of the news waves this just this just vanish entirely and speaking of vanishing entirely we were gonna vanish entirely to do these ads these ads. Welcome to Decisions Decisions, the podcast where boundaries are pushed and conversations get candid. Join your favorite hosts, me, Weezy WTF, and me, Mandy B, as we dive deep into the world

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Because they had just taken part in a coup and they were like, well, shit. The ex defense minister, who's one of the people who's been sort of implicated as being like... saying that he's to a large extent behind the coup, like, is true, but I mean, this was a cooperative effort between Yoon, the defense minister, and a bunch of the people in the army. And the defense minister who resigned in disgrace, like, got thrown in jail? So that's fucking wild. Like you just got like arrested by the police. A bunch of testimony also has come out from the National Assembly investigation, which I'm not covering much of the testimony from the National Assembly investigation,

because it's really unclear exactly how reputable all this stuff is, because a lot of people are just saying shit, right? And some of it may be real, some of it may be stuff that people have, you know, obtained the resources, but some of it's probably not. But like to get a sense of like the kind of stuff that is coming out in this investigation. One of the big claims was from, I think it's from like a TV host who claimed he got texted it by a guy in the army, but apparently he was saying that the plan by you and the army, the plan was to have the head of the PPP killed and then drop a North

Korean uniform nearby to like do a false flag and implicate North Korean Special Forces. Now, this is unbelievably unhinged, right? What the fuck? And it probably isn't true. But you know, the source isn't great. But like, who knows, right? Like we don't we don't actually know if they were playing to do this and fucked it up, or if they weren't planning to do this, or if this person is this person just lying, this person did get this text, but the person was misinformed, we don't know if this is just like misinformation that's being spread around. This is a good demonstration of what the sort of chaos of this moment has been. And you know, and there's been a lot of other stuff that I think in any other time and place

probably would have been like front page news. So one of the things that happens in this whole process is that the South Korean police tried to raid the house of the president. And you know, like as part of their investigation, there's a whole thing where you've been ordered by like the Investigatorial Services to not leave the country because he's just actively under investigation for this military coup being illegal by just like the investigatorial services to not leave the country because he's just actively under investigation for this military coup being illegal by just like the regular ass police and so South Korean police like try to raid his house and they can't do it because the South Korean equivalent of the Secret Service

stops them from doing the raid and this in and of itself is something that like again would be a giant news headline at any other point in time and it's just been completely lost and it's like it's not sort of clear right now how this is all sort of going to play out and whether the police are going to be able to do this and you know what's actually going to happen to you after he presumably leaves office I mean I guess the Supreme Court could save him. But like, you know, there's there's a there's a real chance that he we're gonna get into this more in a second. There's a real chance that he just like fucking goes to prison. Right. And unlike the last president who was removed from office, like I can't imagine him getting pardons by the next administration because that was merely an unhinged corruption scandal involving the president of South Korea being

under the influence of a shaman and doing a bunch of corruption that did a bunch of horrible shit. But this is, you know, this is like, he tried to do a coup, right? So it's sort of unclear if he's going to get saved from that. It does seem very likely that he's going to face a bunch of charges for this because everyone is unbelievably pissed off. Here's from DW. charges of deploying military personnel to the parliament. Former Chief of the Defense Counterintelligence Command, Yeo In-hung, has been accused of orchestrating the implementation of martial law, and Army Chief Park An-soo has been suspended from his role.

Yun's former Defense Minister, Kim Yong-hyun, who stepped down immediately following the aborted martial law declaration, and former Interior Minister Lee Sang-min also faced investigations. So what we're seeing here effectively, right, is the house cleaning of the ranks of the Korean military who've been involved with this whole thing, right? And they're going through a lot of different people. Part of this is also clearing out some of, like, the cliques in the military who've been sort of backing Yun and who people have suspected have been a bunch of people behind a lot of this stuff. And this is a good and necessary process. The

entire time this has been going on, everyone has been terrified of the possibility of a second coup. And the only way to avoid that in the short term is to remove the senior leadership of the military and get them away from their troops. They don't have the ability to sort of plan anything. And sometimes this can make people just go for it, right? Like that's what happens in Bolivia, it looks like, where the failed Bolivian coup was a product of, you know, people trying to do house cleaning and get rid of military guys before they did a coup. And so this makes them go off half cocked and like, you know, that's a bad situation for, I mean it's a bad situation for everyone in the sense that there's a coup

happening, but it's a bad situation especially for the military because they don't have their coup preparations in place so it's easier to knock them off. But what's interesting about this too is that to a large extent we're seeing other parts of the Korean state like really go after the military, right? And this, I don't know, I mean, like, I'm hoping this kind of like, has a precedent inside of the sort of Korean, like, liberal democratic societal norms that like, you can't let this just unhinged military do all of this stuff. The precedent of this sort of like military house cleaning I think is a good one, right?

This is gonna be a rare a rare Mia agrees with the people who founded the US moment because oh my god those people suck shit like Bunch of slave-owning genocidal bastards But you know one of the things that they were right about is the political danger to any democratic system of having a standing army, right? And especially when you have a set a standing army that's like permanently on a semi war footing the way the South Korea's is there's always a real political risk that they attempt to seize power. And you have to fucking stop them from doing that. And ideally, you just fucking acts as much of it as you possibly can, right? I mean, I think you should ask you ask the entire political system to make

sure this doesn't happen. But, you know, this is a this is hopefully a good first step. I also want to mention that the specific charge of insurrection is being thrown at a lot of these people and also at you himself. And like, he absolutely did it right it right like there's not much of a dispute that he did in fact do an insurrection under sort of Korean law and this technically like carries the death penalty but I don't think they're gonna kill him but you know this is the the sort of severity of this stuff under the Korean legal system. And okay, so like all of this fucking chaos is happening, right? And eventually there's a second impeachment vote.

And this time the public pressure is enough that the PPP stays in the chamber to vote no. And only about a dozen, like per NPR, only about a dozen PPP lawmakers actually vote to impeach the guy who just tried to have their fucking parliament disbanded. You know, and this is like one of the really depressing things about this, right? Even after everything, right? And this is something that we can trace back to sort of the roots of the conservatism of the PPP.

Even after all of this shit, right? Like these people still backed him. And that's a really, really grim and depressing thing. And part of the reaction to this has been from the South Korean trade union movement, which has been calling for just straight up the disbanding of the PPP as a political party, right? And that's something that I think is extremely reasonable. Again, if your party's president tries to do a military coup, I think you shouldn't be allowed to have a party anymore.

This is the neoliberal opinions, right? Okay, so eventually this vote does go through. And the stage that we're at right now is that, okay, so once you get impeached by the National Assembly, you're suspended from all your duties and the Prime Minister takes power. So what's happening right now is he doesn't have any power formally, but we're still in this sort of holding period. We're waiting for the Supreme Court to weigh in and either approve the impeachment or not. And that's kind of where things stand now after an unbelievably unhinged week and a

half of just everything being extremely on by two weeks I guess everything being just unbelievably extremely weird and yeah but I think I think there is a mild hopeful note which is that like if you fight back against these people they can be defeated it sucks but you can't eventually get them to crumble and all I can really say for this is I hope the South Korean people prevail over the shitty military dictators. And I hope that we too are able to sort of prevail in the US against our sort of equivalents of these forces. If What Happened Here is a production of Cool Zone Media. For more podcasts from Cool Zone

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