It Could Happen Here - Who We Talk About When We Talk About Borders

Episode Date: May 5, 2025

James and Gare talk about how border reporting often ignores the impact of borders on Indigenous people and how differently migrants are covered during Democratic and Republican administrations. https://www.patreon.com/posts/127235976?utm_campaign=postshare_creator  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's me, James, today and I'm joined by my friend and colleague, Garrison Davis. Hi, Garr. Davis. Hi, Gare. Hello. Hey. So what I want to talk about today is a little piece I wrote. I wrote it on my Patreon, but I want to kind of discuss it a bit here, read it to you and talk about it about what we talk about when we talk about immigration. Sophie recently sent me an Associated Press piece on the Dalyan Gap. And the

piece was reflecting on the loss of economic opportunity for the Embera people who had previously sold, as you heard in my series, right, products, services, accommodation to migrants coming through the Dalyan Gap. But if you read that whole piece, you'd never know they were Embera, because the word Embera doesn't occur once in the piece, right? You'd never know that the Emperor people existed. They never appear in the story. Instead, the AP, which is currently going toe to toe with the Trump administration on whether it should call the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America or not,

and was ejected from the White House press pool at one point for refusing to call it the Gulf of America, used the phrase Comarca Indigenous Lands in its reporting, which I don't know where this came from. It has kind of a strange capitalization. If you were just reading the piece, you might think that that was a name of the Comarca, like that it was a proper noun, but it's not. The Comarca is like, I guess you could, you could roughly equate that to an American state, it's like an administrative division of Panama. The name of the comarca is Embraunan, but that doesn't appear anywhere in the

AP piece and you could, to be clear, like, I understand that some reporters don't speak Spanish. I understand that some reporters like, you know, they are not like particularly expert a given region. Neither am I. That was my first time in Panama. But, like, this is something you could find out on Google Maps, right? It's not unique to the AP. It happens all the time, right? And I want to talk about that today because it happens at the US's southern border, too. One of the reasons that I wanted to go to the Dalyan was because I felt like the MBR story was not being told when people talked about the Darien Gap.

When they're mentioned at all, it's kind of in passing or not as people who have agency, right? And even I think these stories about like the lack of income that they have off to migrants leaving kind of stripped them of agency in the way that they're told. When people talk about the Darien Gap in media, they kind of use this heart of darkness construction. Obviously, it's a Joseph Conrad novel, but this idea that it's where the wild things are. I don't know.

It strikes me as very almost Orientalist. Yeah, Orientalist is what I was gonna say. Yeah, and it completely discounts that there are thousands of people who live there, who raise their families there, their children play fucking basketball there, right? They spend their whole lives there and they bury their elders there,

and they have done for thousands of years. For them, it's their home, right? And I understand that the jungle could be scary, And I think anyone who's listened to my series will, will understand that like the jungle was scary for me sometimes. And it can be a very harsh environment. But if you're someone who belongs there, if you're comfortable there, it can also be home and it can be beautiful and it could be bountiful. And I think the same thing is true of the mountains and deserts and rivers that make up the USA's southern border. The desert can kill people. I'm well aware of that. But for the people who call it home, the desert is somewhere that contains their memories and their sacred spaces, their childhood

recollections and the remains of their ancestors, right. And the omission of indigenous perspectives is something that we saw again when Christian decided to waive a number of laws in order to facilitate faster construction of the border wall. So I want to highlight again, the AP coverage there, the AP and again, they're far from unique in this, right? Lots of other outlets did this too. They seemed to have only engaged with the DHS press release as opposed to the actual Proclamation by Nome, which you can find in the Federal Register, right? So the press release only focused on the environmental laws

she was waiving. DHS said, and I quote, to cut through bureaucratic delays, DHS is waiving environmental laws, including the National Environmental Policy Act, that can stall vital products for months or even years. This waiver clears the path for the rapid deployment of physical barriers where they are needed most, reinforcing our commitment to national security and the rule of law." The rule of law thing kind of made me laugh as they were like, here we are waiving like a dozen or so laws. But I'm not a big rule of law person. So I guess like, that's fine. It seems to almost every outlet though, like, that's what they read. And that's what they ran with, like, that they're waving these environmental

laws. And I think that can sometimes be this like, we still see this all the time in the legacy press. Like, when they talk about environmental laws, there's this idea that it's like some kind of like, people who want to protect the flowers and the plants and like that it's not that serious, you know, and that like, these environmental laws are something that's not that a nice but not necessary. Yeah. And like, some of these environmental laws, like specifically the ones that regulate water, will determine the future of places like California, like the ones that regulate water, will determine

the future of places like California, and obviously places south of the border. Water doesn't know where the border is. In the previous Trump administration, they waived some environmental laws, including ones about floodwater, which that combined with the expedited way which they built the border wall, I guess, led to them not putting floodgates in part of the wall, which then led to the wall damming up with dead trees and dead cacti when it rained heavily, and then the wall becoming a barrier to water, and then the wall getting broken or washed away, because it didn't have sluice gates so they could open to let the water out.

The AP went to someone called Earth Justice for comment, and to their credit that person said, quote, waving environmental cultural preservation and good governance laws that protect clean air, clean water, safeguard precious cultural resources and preserve vibrant ecosystems and biodiversity will only cause further harm to our border communities and ecosystems. That person is the only person who mentioned the cultural damage that's being done here. And unless a reader themselves, the Federal Register isn't linked in any of these pieces, it really is. I try and link to it when we talk about something like an executive disorder.

But unless you found that yourself, you wouldn't know that along with waiving these environmental laws, and like I've said, those are important, they also waived something called the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act. According to the Department of the Interior, I was kind of surprised this was still up on their website, actually. I thought this might have been purged,

so like a lot of, maybe it just... Maybe it's just like skirted by. Yeah, yeah, like, well, I mean, no, apparently no one fucking talks about it, so maybe they got away with it, you know? It's always funny going on government websites now, being like, oh, it's gone, like, finding dead links to so much stuff, even in stories I've written in like 2020, those links are dead now.

Nagpur requires any federally funded entity to return human remains, funerary possessions, objects of cultural patrimony and sacred objects to the deceased persons and their descendants by consulting with lineal descendants, Indian tribes and Native Hawaiian organizations on Native American human remains and other cultural items, protecting and planning for Native American human remains and other cultural items that may be removed from federal or tribal lands, identifying and reporting all Native American human remains and other cultural items in inventories and summaries of holdings or collections, and giving prior notice to repatriating or transferring

human remains and other cultural items. So the waiver allows them not to do these things, right? Crucially, in the context of border wall construction, what it allows them to do them not to do these things, right? Crucially, in the context of border wall construction, what it allows them to do is not to conduct an archaeological survey before they dig the border wall. And again, like, I don't know why this isn't something the legacy media isn't concerned about. It wasn't in 2020 either, right? When they started doing this, they were blasting areas where something called midden soil was found. Midden soil is soil that contains evidence of cremated

human remains, right? I wrote a piece in 2020 for Sierra about this. Normally, before these digs there would be an archaeological survey done and a tribal representative would be there to take part in that, right? That would take time and it would delay construction. Instead, right now, the construction will continue without considering the damage done to the cultural patrimony and ancestral remains of the Kumeyaay people here in San Diego, whose homeland span both sides of the border and who were here long before the US or Mexico was. Talking of, I can't think of a good fucking ad pivot.

Yeah, there really is no good ad pivot for stuff like this. No, there's not. We're just gonna do adverts now. Last partner, hold up Sam, how do we know how we done the DNA test? Well, John, luckily it's mother may have a DNA test week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. And this wife writes, my husband received a Facebook message from a woman saying that he is the father of a five-year-old. At first, he didn't remember her, but then he realized they had a one-night stand

right before we started dating. Wait, but do we have proof he's a dad? Well, the author says there's no confirmation the kid is even his son, but the woman from Facebook has a meeting with her lawyer soon. I think she's going after our money. If the kid is actually my husband's, she would be entitled to it too.

So what's the husband got to say about this? This could be his kid. Well, apparently he broke down in the middle of the living room apologizing, but this is what scared me. His first instinct, if the kid is his son, is to pay the child support but not be an active father in the kid's life because he only wants a family with me, his wife. Oh, this is a mess.

To hear the explosive finale, follow OK Storytime in the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, my name's Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. I just had a great conversation with Michelle Obama. To whom much is given, much is expected. The guilt comes from am I doing enough? Me, Michelle Obama, to say that to a therapist.

So let's unpack that. Former First Lady Michelle Obama and someone who knows her best, her big brother Craig will be hosting a podcast called IMO. What have been your personal journeys with therapy? We need to be coached throughout our lives. My mom wanted us to be independent children. And she would always tell me, stop worrying about your sister.

Having been the first lady of the entire country and representing the country and the world, I couldn't afford to have that kind of disdain. What would you say has been the most hardest recent test of fear? Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's nostalgia overload as Wilmer Valderrama and Freddy Rodriguez welcome another amigo to their podcast,

Dos Amigos. Wilmer's friend and former Freddy Rodriguez welcome another amigo to their podcast, Dose Amigos. Wilmer's friend and former That 70s Show castmate, Topher Grace, stops by the Speakeasy for a two-part interview to discuss his career and reminisce about old times. We were still in that place of like, what will this experience become? And you go, you're having the best time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was like such a perfect golden time. Listen to Dose Amigos on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It was like such a perfect golden time. Listen to Dos Amigos on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In 1978, Roger Caron's first book was published, and he was unlike any first time author Canada had ever seen.

Roger Caron was 16 when first convicted. Had spent 24 of those years in jail. 12 years in solitary. He went from an ex-con to a literary darling almost overnight. He was instantly a celebrity. He was an adrenaline junkie, and he was the star of the show. Go-Boy is the gritty true story of how one man fought his way out of some of the darkest places imaginable.

I had a knife go in my stomach, puncture my skin, break my ribs, I had my guts all in my hands. Only to find himself back where he started. Rodger's saying this, I've never hurt anybody but myself. And I said, oh, you're so wrong. You're so wrong on that one, Rodger. From Campside Media and iHeart Podcasts, listen to GoBoy on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. And we are back. The Kamei are not the only Indigenous people whose homelands have been significantly and permanently damaged by the construction of border barriers. Right. For the East in the homelands of the Tornadham people, where I've spent a lot of time, wall construction has destroyed sacred saguaros. Saguaros, that's the big cactus. Like when you think of a cactus, right?

Like the cactus kind of looks like a guy waving. Yeah. Yeah. With the two arms, you could put a little hat on the cactus if you wanted to maybe give it like a little six shooter and it would look like it was a cowboy. Yeah, it's the it's literally the cactus. It's in all the Western films that were filmed out at old Tucson there. Yeah, we used to ride our bikes from the Pasco Yaqui res to the place where they filmed all those western films. That was our loop.

Very, very weird experience, that place. It's like a, one day I will write my fucking five-part documentary about the myth of the Old West, but you can find it there in Tucson. The Saguaro people aren't aware or afforded the highest respect as ancestors by autumn people, and they play an important role in ceremonial and culinary traditions that have been kept alive despite centuries of genocide and assimilationist policies from state and local government. Under the Biden administration, the government accountability office wrote a report about damage done by border wall construction. Again, for now, this is on the internet and I will link it in the show notes. I don't know how long that will remain on the internet.

It's a PDF, so look at it. It's going to be out and about. It can't just be taken down, but maybe it won't be on government websites. They highlighted the case of Monument Hill, which was damaged by explosives in the previous Trump administration, despite being a sacred place for the Tonto-Odham and the site of ceremonies conducted by the Hia-Sed-Odham who were their ancestors. Kito-Bakito Springs, which is a sacred site and oasis in the Sonoran Desert – it's a really special place – was irreparably damaged in the last Trump administration, including the destruction of a burial site that the tribe had sought to protect. In some cases, the Biden administration made this worse.

One of those was that on entering office, Biden said they were going to build not one more foot of border wall in 2021. He was full of shit. They built lots more border wall, but they did put a pause on some of the contracts. They finished some of them and they were like, oh, we can't go back on this federal funding, which has not been an issue for Donald Trump four years later. They were like, Congress approved it, so we have to, we have to pay it, which was great. But the bits that they were able to cut included a program that had people taking care of, so they attempted to transplant the saguaros.

They didn't just cut them down because they were sacred, right? And they're very old. They wanted to take them somewhere else. And this was part of sort of the agreement that they came to. Unfortunately, the Biden administration cut the funding for the people who were taking care of them in their new location. So nearly all of them died. They were being watered and stuff to get them settled into their new root structure. Because the Biden administration cut back funding, it stopped them from being watered and so many of them died. In areas where barriers were built but drainage culverts were not finished, the culverts were never installed.

So that was the flooding I was talking about earlier, right? Sometimes they just went ahead and built wall. When they build the wall, it comes in about 50 foot sections and they truck those out there and like just put them on the ground flat and pull them up, right? And then they dig a foundation, they mix a sand, make concrete and put the wall sections up. But then they, I guess it's my understanding that in the end of the last Trump administration, Trump made a claim in a debate about the number of miles of wall that had been built. And that claim was largely inaccurate, but they sort of started trying to ex post facto justify it by the claiming repairs were miles of wall.

And in the final months of the Trump administration, maybe from late summer to January, certainly to November, they were really speed running wall construction. And part of that was putting sections up where there should have been culverts and just putting regular wall sections there and then attempting to come back later and do the culverts, which because there's a funding pause they didn't do.

So then we've seen a huge change in how the desert drains, right? Because it backs up at the, all the detritus, all the dead branches and stuff get caught in the wall, and then the water gets sort of pushed along the wall until it finds a weak point to undermine it, or push it over. Very little of this gets reported at all, right? Occasionally there are media moments when everyone wants to report on the borders damage to Indigenous communities. We had one in 2020 when they started destroying saguaros at the Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument. But these appear to be, when they just pop up like this, it seems like it's without context or precedent. And when outlets ignore indigenous people for 90% of their border reporting, it doesn't give the context it's necessary to explain these incidents which are outrageous in decades

of policy, which has been outrageous. If our listeners are not aware that the border is on native land, all of it, just like all of America, it can seem confusing for them, right, when they see something like Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument and they think, well, that's not on a reservation, because a lot of outlets don't give that context, right? That obviously reservations do not contain all the spaces that are sacred to indigenous people and that like a reservation is illegal, not a cultural construct, it can seem alien to them. And lots of these spaces that will be militarized under this Roosevelt Reservation Declaration,

right? The reservations are not militarized under that, but spaces that are sacred to people still will be. But because reporting so often lacks that context, people don't understand it. The admission of tribal lands was again missing in lots of pieces on the Roosevelt Reservation. Washington Post article on the Roosevelt Reservation, the one that broke the story, it doesn't contain the word tribal lands at all. It doesn't mention the fact that these areas are not part of the militarization proclamation. These areas are not part of the militarization proclamation. My husband has a secret son from a past partner. Hold up Sam, how do we know how we've done the DNA test?

Well John, luckily it's Mother May I Have a DNA test week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. And this wife writes, my husband received a Facebook message from a woman saying that he is the father of a five-year-old. Whoa! At first he didn't remember her, but then he realized they had a one night stand right before we started dating.

Wait, but do we have proof he's the dad? Well, the author says there's no confirmation the kid is even his son, but the woman from Facebook has a meeting with her lawyer soon. I think she's going after our money. If the kid is actually my husband's, she would be entitled to it too.

So what's the husband husband gotta say about this? This could be his kid. Well, apparently he broke down in the middle of the living room apologizing, but this is what scared me. His first instinct, if the kid is his son, is to pay the child support, but not be an active father in the kid's life

because he only wants a family with me, his wife. Oh, this is a mess. To hear the explosive finale, follow OK Storytime on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, my name's Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose. I just had a great conversation with Michelle Obama.

To whom much is given, much is expected. The guilt comes from am I doing enough? Me, Michelle Obama, to say that to a therapist. So let's unpack that. Former Me, Michelle Obama, to say that to a therapist. So let's unpack that. Former First Lady Michelle Obama and someone who knows her best, her big brother Craig will be hosting a podcast called IMO. What have been your personal journeys with therapy?

We need to be coached throughout our lives. My mom wanted us to be independent children and she would always tell me, stop worrying about your sister. Having been the first lady of the entire country and representing the country and the world, I couldn't afford to have that kind of disdain. What would you say has been the most hardest

recent test of fear? Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's nostalgia overload as Wilmer Valderrama and Freddy Rodriguez welcome another amigo to their podcast, Dos Amigos. Wilmer's friend and former That 70s Show castmate

Topher Grace stops by the Speakeasy for a two-part interview to discuss his career and reminisce about old times. We were still in that place of like, what will this experience become? And you go, you're having the best time. But it was like such a perfect golden time. Listen to Dos Amigos on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In 1978, Roger Caron's first book was published, and he was unlike any first-time author

Canada had ever seen. Roger Caron was 16 when first convicted. Had spent 24 of those years in jail. 12 years in solitary. He went from an ex-con to a literary darling almost overnight. He was instantly a celebrity. He was an adrenaline junkie,

and he was the star of the show. Go-Boy is the gritty true story of how one man fought his way out of some of the darkest places imaginable. I had a knife go in my stomach, puncture my screen, break my ribs. I had my guts all in my hands. Only to find himself back where he started.

Rod, you're saying this, I've never hurt anybody but myself. And I said, oh, you're so wrong. You're so wrong on that one, Rod. From Campside Media and iHeart Podcasts, listen to Go Boy on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The problem here isn't just the ongoing erasure of Indigenous people, it's a failure in basic journalistic practice in my mind.

We can't properly understand borders unless we acknowledge the people they impact. There's no way I could have experienced a Darien Gap in the way that I did if it wasn't for the M'Bara people who literally let me live in their homes. Without the same generosity that they showed to me, the people crossing would die in much greater numbers. And it's precisely because migrants arrive in indigenous villages and not in government Panama that a system exists where they're ferried up river on those piraguas that I reported on, right?

And it's precisely because they enter government custody at La Has Blanca's, a place that the AP called a river port, by the way, which I mean, it's one of the more miserable places that one can end up, it's terrible. And calling it a river port fundamentally undersells how appalling it is what happens to people. People are stalled there for months, right? And that is because they are entering the system of bureaucracy, the system of the state, the system of fees and identification papers and all these things. More importantly, I think, we can't understand the relatively new and invasive nature of borders, especially borders with physical barriers,

without acknowledging the much, much longer history of indigenous people moving freely through these areas. Like I said, it's not just people, it's water and wildlife. And in all cases, the damage done will be unforeseen and likely irreparable. But if we only treat the border as a rhetorical thing, like something to discuss in Congress, not a physical place, then we miss what's really happening. We miss the people it really impacts. I don't want to pick solely on the AP. It's a tendency in the whole US, right, where the overwhelming media narrative erases the existence of Indigenous people, unless it's some kind of novelty or trope through which

they can be deployed. The Daron example was a particularly stark one to me. I spent spent an amount of time there and I obviously have a great deal of affection for the people who looked after me. But as more and more laws are waived, both in terms of border wall construction and human rights, more damage will be done. It's already the case that people who speak indigenous languages tend to have much worse outcomes in the US immigration system. I've seen this firsthand. It can be very difficult when someone arrives and they speak an indigenous language from

Mexico, from Peru, from these places where the people speak these indigenous languages as their first language. It's very hard for them to get legal representation right even u.s citizens like that incident from just a few weeks ago where that 19 year old who was born in the state of georgia but primarily spoken indigenous language was like put into ice detention overnight yeah like which i think kind of these two narratives sort of play into each other right like because indigenous people don't exist so much in so much coverage, it can be much easier for the state to make them disappear, right? Like that guy.

Well, yeah, and literally being arrested and charged with entry as an unauthorized alien. Yeah, like absolutely. And it's happened to indigenous people who are like indigenous to the United States, right? Like, and it will continue to. I think I've heard some stuff about it happening on a Navajo res relatively recently. Obviously, I should say, if that has happened to you or someone you know, you can reach out to us at coolzontipsatproton.me.

And like, I know that there are lots of big border reporters, big outlets who fucking hate me, and I really don't care. I just want to... Any one person coming into this country who needs a bottle of water is more important to me than all of their collective opinions, right? My job is not to make them happy. My job is to tell the stories of the people who come into this country and often suffer greatly to do so.

I care more about them than my ability to be objective, which I don't think we should be objective in these situations. I want to end on this idea of objectivity because, not objectivity, I don't know. I'm glad that the Washington Post is running a story about a Venezuelan teacher who got deported today. I'm glad that they're giving these people human faces now. But it's fucking hard to look at the reporters who wouldn't drive half an hour down a dirt road to come and see people in concentration camps when Biden was president, because I know they were worried about getting their rental car dirty, or they don't speak Spanish, or the desert's cold at night. I don't know why people didn't come. I suspect it's because their commitment to writing about migrants is more a commitment to doing it when it makes money than it is to doing it,

because it's the right thing to do. When we write these stories now about deportations being terrible, they seem to pop up without context, right? And the context of how these people came into this country and the amount that they were forced to suffer by choice by the Biden administration in 2023, it's completely absent from these stories, right? Like the reason folks, some folks are choosing to leave is because what they've seen of the US government, a week in an outdoor detention camp where the government didn't even bring them food or water, right? And then they're passing through this system which doesn't give them a pathway to permanent residency, which

doesn't give them a pathway to citizenship. And then they see these deportations like, from the migrant perspective, this is just a sort of steady escalation. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that what's happening now is the same as what happened before, it's worse. It's considerably worse and it's abhorrent. But like, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't tell the truth about what happened before either. And it doesn't mean that we should ignore the physical border, as well as the sort of rhetorical

and internal and technical border, right? All these things that we're seeing now. And like, the way that borders have worked in this country is it's like a ratchet that only moves to the right. And the Republicans move it to the right and the Democrats never move it back. And until we hold them accountable for this, it will continue to get worse.

Like the Democrats completely seeded the narrative on migration under the Biden administration and that's part of why they lost, right? Rather than making an argument that these people have a right to come here, that many of them are a massive benefit to our society and it doesn't matter whether they are or not, they still deserve to be treated with dignity and respect and even if you're a big law and order person, like according to international and United States law, they didn't do that. It didn't treat them according to international and United States law, nor did they make an

argument that it's morally right to do so. And that's one of the reasons they lost, right? This is why I really think that we need to be conscious in our media consumption and be conscious as journalists of like, why we do this? Because I'm finding it really hard to see this outpouring of care from people who I know didn't care when they were shivering little babies in the desert, from people who could have said something,

could have done something, right? Like, this could have stopped earlier if there were big, major legacy media op-eds, if the pictures of shivering babies were like on the nine o'clock news, right, coming into people's houses every night. This wouldn't have lasted for as long as it did. People wouldn't have suffered and people wouldn't have died. But because I guess Joe Biden was in office, it didn't matter. And I'm glad that people care now. Don't get me wrong. But like, I want, especially listeners, to think about holding those people accountable to caring when it's not profitable, caring when it's not convenient. And our listeners have, to be fair, right? We raised

almost $50,000 for migrants in the desert, and that was fantastic. But yeah, I still think we do immigration reporting wrong. I still think for most outlets, that's because they treat migrants as a rhetorical device, not as people in the same way that they are. And that upsets me. And I wanted to write about it, so I have. I guess that's all I've got. It's not the best ending. If you are somebody who wants to get in touch, right, like I said, especially with regard to immigration activities on reservations or indigenous people, you can reach us at coolzone tips at proton.me. If there's other stuff you want to

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Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and my latest interview is with Michelle Obama. To whom much is given, much is expected. The guilt comes from am I doing enough? Me, Michelle Obama, to say that to a therapist. So let's unpack that. Having been the first lady of the entire country and representing the country and the world, I couldn't afford to have that kind of disdain. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

you get your podcasts. It's nostalgia overload as Wilmer Valderrama and Freddy Rodriguez welcome another amigo to their podcast, Dose Amigos. Wilmer's friend and former That 70s Show castmate, Topher Grace stops by the Speakeasy for a two-part interview to discuss his career and reminisce about old times.

We were still in that place of like, what will this experience become? And you go, you're having the best time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was like such a perfect golden time. Listen to Dos Amigos on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.