It Could Happen Here - Why Did Non-White People Vote For Trump?
Episode Date: November 15, 2024Prop is joined by Mia to discuss the rightward trend of a few groups of non-white voters. Sources: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2024-11-10/election-2024-asian-american-voters https://www.nb...cnews.com/news/asian-america/asian-americans-exit-poll-harris-trump-rcna179005 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Welcome to It Already Happened Here.
Because this was the goal of this show,
was to tell you that things was probably going to happen here,
and then it did.
I am not one of the normal hosts as you can tell i am your your friendly
cousin that that shows up every once in a while during the holidays and if your cousins are
anything like my cousins which means we're immediately going to get in trouble because
parents are going to blame you since i'm the cousin because it's not my fault because i'm
the guest anyway uh we want to talk about some stuff that, like, in some senses is a bit absurd to talk about
because, like, the American understanding of pan-ethnic terms and demographics are just absurd.
Yes.
Right?
It just don't make sense.
Like, nobody in the group identifies as what the group is called, but that's still the group, right?
Yep.
I recommend a book called Why Fish Don't Exist. It's a great book. the group identifies as what the group is called but that's still the group right yeah i recommend
a book called why fish don't exist it's a great book i am here with the brilliant brilliant
mia wong what's up mia it's it's it's all happening it's it's all happening here and it sucks
but at least i'm getting great intros this is the best best one i've ever gotten
best best interest that's what i come for you know i'm saying like i come for us to like be
able to have pancakes for breakfast you know because your cousin's here you know i'm saying
so you get to have like pancakes for breakfast and you know stay in your pajamas longer like
it's great when your cousins are here yeah yeah anyway so let's do this we want to talk about
well the thing is like i don't know if y'all have
have admitted i admitted this on our show that like we kind of had to have an all hands on deck
uh discussion here as to like okay let's get organized like let's figure out what we're
gonna say as a network and kind of brainstorm things to talk about because i'm pretty sure like a lot of us
are still like wait what the fuck i'm sorry what like you know yeah and us holding down the dei
section of coolzo you know we are the diversity equity and inclusion over here figured you know
there were some things that were
super shocking around some of the data that was that was coming back from the exit polls as we
thought about like okay so who actually voted for who and how much and uh so we kind of wanted to
talk about the asian vote right yep which is again from the intro it's an absurd oh yeah category to say that we're gonna
get into that because yeah totally yeah the latino vote which is also equally as absurd as a category
and yeah just where some of the um sort of uh marginalized groups like some of the numbers
that were in some ways shocking i will say as far as holding down the black man section i am very proud
of us for eventually coming back home right and voting in the upper 80 for the black woman you
know which was encouraging now granted our number of how many of us voted shrank immensely you know
but either way we just wanted to talk about those things and i think
one caveat for me i would say and then i'll turn it over i think mia like you know you can take it
on from there is i am in fact a black man so i think i can speak from a certain level of experience
obviously not the experience of every human right but i can speak from a certain level of experience now as we talk about the latino vote i am in fact newsflash not latino you know i'm saying my wife is from
east la but obviously proximity is not the same as being a member of yeah so keep that keep that
in mind as we discuss these things so let me turn it over to turn it over to mia yeah and you know
this is one of these you're talking a bit about the sort of category and coherence here right and
like one of the things about the way this is aggregated is that so asian americans as a whole
went about five percent to the right in this election, but that doesn't
capture what was going on because every part of the demographics were just sort of flying
in every direction.
Yeah.
And unfortunately, most of the actual right-wing pull was very specifically from my people,
which is to say Chinese Americans who went right in staggering numbers.
Yeah.
I don't know.
americans who went right in staggering numbers yeah i don't know i i'm not really surprised by because this has just been the way that sort of specifically chinese american communities have
been shifting for the past i mean really like eight ten years but particularly intensifying
since 2020 yeah and so if you look at sort of where these things happened the biggest ones were new york and
la and you know places like seattle had some shifts but i think new york in particular new
york and la in particular are important for this because a huge part of the reason that this
happened was the sort of crime panic stuff yeah and the crime panic didn't 100 start with chinese americans but
it's one of the earliest sort of incubators of this entire thing so the the sort of trajectory
of this is that in in 2020 you have this sort of like whole stop asian hate campaign right and you
know yeah you you have all this race like sort of like racist like incitement of violence yeah
and you get sort of two responses to it right there's the kind of like liberal ish response which is stop asian hate but it's
kind of vacuous it doesn't doesn't really have any political like content at all it's kind of
vaguely anti-trump but like there's not much there and then there's the right-wing response
and the right-wing response is just okay like okay like we're just gonna blame black people for this yeah and that's like fucking horse shit it's like no
it was almost everyone which is getting killed by white people because that's almost all of them
yeah the way racial violence works in this country right yeah but yeah but unfortunately
you know this was an area where the left kind of just did nothing and if you look at the left
response you know there's there's there's some people who did stuff right there is you know like
some sex worker orgs like red canary song did some great work but most of the rest of the american
left saw this and was like okay the thing that matters here and the actual problem with anti-asian
violence is that people are criticizing the chinese government too much and that's what's
causing this and so we need to defend the ccp and this is just politically this is fucking
radioactive to like yeah 80 90 percent of like fucking asian americans because like
yeah there's a sort of combinations of factors right you have on the one hand you have sort of immigrant communities where most of this shit doesn't work
because you're dealing with people who were like i don't know we're fucking sterilized by the
government because the ccp decided to like do malthusian fucking population control have no
love for the ccp none whatsoever yeah yeah right and then this is this is all this is too reductive
even with cubans but it's like this isn't something where you can just sort of brush this away with like oh all of these people were
like reactionaries from taiwan or something like that it's like no like a lot of these people came
here very recently and there are you know there are sort of tibetan communities there's people
from xinjiang here yeah and all of those people like all of the sort of pro-ccp shit is radioactive
and that's yeah what was coming out of the american left the same thing with like sort of
with the hong kong movement right where there was like you know there was this
really broad consensus among sort of american social democracy you know you're sort of like
people who were like marginalization left of bernie right that that stuff was all cia stuff
and it was bad and that you should support the ccp you know i mean there are some tenant organizers
you do good work we've had on the show, right?
Like there are people trying to organize communities, but like the mainstream left was just like,
fuck it.
We don't care.
We don't give a shit about you. Like the important thing about you being killed is that we can defend this fucking state that
we like.
Yeah.
And so what happened to the stop Asian hate thing is that it got folded into the crime
panic because the product of this
was both the sort of right wing, we're going to give you anti-black racism as you're like,
this is, this is going to be your solution, quote unquote to this. Yeah. And the sort of
stop Asian hate, like mainstream sort of liberal thing, both just fed directly into carceralism.
Yeah. And you know, so you started like, it turned into this rallying cry for like hate crime bills
and then like increasing police presences. And you know, like you started, like, it turned into this rallying cry for, like, hate crime bills and then, like, increasing police presences.
And, you know, like, the fucking cops were, like, all over the place where this shit was happening and, you know, didn't do anything because they're cops, right?
Like, all of this fed into, it went sort of seamlessly into the crime panic where you could just feed all of these people the sort of memory of the fear and the anger over like Asian people getting killed.
And you could just lump that in with crime.
And then these communities also.
And when I say these communities, it's kind of important here to do like class breakdowns here, too, because a big part of what's happening here is is an alignment that I think like.
here is is an alignment that i think like if the republicans could be like 15 less racist or figure out how to channel the racism against one target at a time a lot of these people would have
fucking fled right in the first place because yes that's what i was gonna say yeah yeah it's like
it's like rich people professionals and like small business owners it's like well yeah of course those
people are like unbelievably sort of turbo hardline reactionaries it's like yeah those those are the guys who are like shooting at people from
the rooftops and fucking la in 92 like yeah like these same people in china like in taiwan in hong
kong like these are people that if you were on the left you would just be fighting every day
but you know they kind of have been lumped into the democratic party because of the just
unbelievable racism from the republicans and now the sort of crime panic stuff has finally given them this thing where the republican deal is
basically like okay if you're if you're okay with sort of being anti-black with us if you're okay
with massive expansions of police presence you're okay with us running on that right and also on
anti-homeless politics that's been a huge extremely effective thing particularly among
yeah business owners i mean i remember god i think i've told the story on air but back when i was in
chicago there was this library in chinatown that i used to like you know it was it was next to a
bunch of shops so you could sort of you could get bakery food you could go sit at these benches
and i came back to them in 2020 and the benches literally had a had a thing drilled into the
table threatening to arrest you if you sat at them for too long gosh right and this was this was like 2020 2021 yeah so you know that that the sort of
anti-homelessness stuff had started really really early there and it's just hideous and you know
these places have swung to the right they're electing republicans and they're doing it because
this kind of like asian american petit bourgeois like small business class and some of the sort of
richer tech people etc etc are swinging really really hard to the right yeah man that actually
connected so many dots for me like first of all like even to like the anti-homeless thing like
you know you start seeing that weird middle of the bench arm rail yep yep yep you know like well
it's like that's so you won't lay on it
you know that's that's why you did this but like i hope what i'm about to say is not a trope you
know i'm saying it's just it's because of like the proximity that i've had with the asian community
in the sense that my stepmom's filipino you know all the djs i've all worked with all these just
hip-hop at some point in the 90s the filipinos took over you know what i'm saying so like that's
been a lot of ways our community but i found that you know the like proper asian in the jungle asian
thing where it's like depending on your relationship with the united states is almost even if you
identify as asian because you sit down 10 filipinos like half of them gonna say they pacific islander
you know the other half gonna say they asian the other half gonna them going to say they Pacific Islander, you know, the other half going to say to Asian, the other half going to say they Asian Pacific Islander. And then, and then my Lord,
Cambodia right next to them who are all in Long Beach and their crips, you know what I'm saying?
So like that sort of world, like they were with us, you know, as far as like, they were just a
part of our community. Whereas the sort of Northern kind of proper Asian world, like its cities is like alhambra monterey
park this is very california stuff but they stuck to themselves yeah you know and they they saw a
lot of the american thing is like this is pragmatic like we're here to win like you know like so when
you started having the asian hate thing like it it it's almost like, I've, now that you say it,
it's like,
we just tied that community up into a bow and then handed them to the right.
Yeah.
Because this all happened at the same time as like the,
the anti affirmative action.
Yep.
You know,
although I do,
I do want to say in the,
the,
the anti affirmative action stuff,
because I think people mischaracterize what's going on with that.
Asian Americans as a whole and as subgroups support
affirmative action. Yes. Very consistently
every time they're polled, there's like 60%
support for it, right? Yeah.
But there's like 40% of these
fucking dipshits who are like
Yes. I don't know. You know, I'm like my
sort of like classic Asian response to this is like
I fucking did it. I was a terrible student
and I got into the University of Chicago. Like you
dipshits need to fucking study harder.
Like, you're not, the reason you're not getting into these universities isn't because, like,
black people are being allowed in.
It's because you suck.
Like, fucking skill issue.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Really?
Yeah.
But, like, there was this, like, class, you know, this sort of class dynamic.
That's what I was going to get to, is this class distinction in the sense that, from
a black perspective, it was it was like yo we rallied
for y'all over the like stop asian hate thing you know what i mean and then to come back around and
see this again from a class perspective because kind of the same thing happened in a lot of ways
in the black community because the reasoning as you say that that's why i think it all makes sense the reasoning is the same like the system is not for me so i'm just gonna get mine damn the community yeah you know i'm
saying like i'm just gonna go get mine you know and so in the again in the black community for
those that swung right it was just like like in some senses they're like well well i know y'all
are fucking racist like you know i'm saying so i'd like as far as like the rights like i know you are with the left it was more like you're just
gaslighting me yeah so well if you're just gonna gaslight me and i already know that you hate me
well fuck it i'm just gonna get mine you know and that becomes the thing but as a community like you
said you know in the same way as far as like the beef between like the, you know, the historical L.A. riots, like Chinese and Korean communities, while their parents were on this on the roofs of their of their shop shooting at us, they kids was breaking into the city.
They was with us, like breaking into the same stores we was breaking into, you know, so that that class distinction was something that made us kind of be like bro like don't you understand
you'll never be one of them they'll never really love you you know and i feel like even that sort
of like appeal would lurch this group even further to be like don't tell me who you are don't tell me
what they're they're giving me what i need you know so yeah like i never thought about tying
all that together and being that it being like a specific Chinese lurching.
Wow, I never thought of that.
Yeah, and okay, you know what else sells products that are from China?
It's these products and services.
It's worth the podcast.
We sell products from China.
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One of the most exciting things about having your first real job
is that first real paycheck.
You're probably thinking, yay, I can finally buy a new phone.
But you also have a lot of questions like, how should I be investing this money?
I mean, how much do I save?
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I always get roasted on the internet when I say this out loud, but I'm like,
every single year you need to be asking for a raise of somewhere between 10 to 15%.
I'm not saying you're going to get 15% every single year, but if you ask for 10 to 15, And we're back. So I think that there's one more thing I want to make sure I get to about
the Chinese American stuff before we move on. And that's one of the things you kind of brought up
earlier was the insularity, because part of what's going on here, too, is that there's a lot of Chinese immigrants and people who, you know, you get communities that are speaking like they're usually like Cantonese or Mandarin.
And in a lot of cases, it's like you get these very, very small, tight knit communities with people who are speaking like a provincial dialect.
That's like semi incomprehensible to other people.
Right. Because it's like it's like yeah semi-incomprehensible to other people right because it's like it's
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the left shit the bad like wasn't doing a good organizing right and the consequence of this is
that in these a lot of the things that we're getting put out in these spaces the media is all
unbelievably right wing yeah right there Right. There's Miles Guo,
who,
whenever,
God,
like 12 years from now,
when I finished the lab leak episode,
which is going to be,
he's going to be a big part of this,
was he was this Chinese billionaire who defected to the US and came here and ran one trillion scams and is currently going to prison for like,
I'm pretty sure he was the guy whose boat Steve Bannon was on when Steve Bannon got arrested by the post office cops.
Let's go.
So, like.
So, just varsity level bad guy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, he was issuing passports from, like, a fake government in exile that he set up.
He's running every scam in the entire world.
But he's also, you know, he's also one of the people who started the whole lab leak thing.
Word. lab leak thing and he so he was flooding the like all sort of chinese language media with this hardline right-wing sort of pro-republican hardline anti-china stuff and then you have a
very similar thing coming from the phone gong who are everywhere in any every chinatown there's
fallen gong guys everywhere they're posters they the people So they're a cult. They run Shen Yu.
They run a newspaper called the Epoch Times,
which is just a pure fascist propaganda outlet.
And those things kind of just like devoured the entire Chinese language media ecosystem.
And it wasn't good before because like there were also a bunch of other weird right-wing groups.
Like part of the problem here too is it's possible for in sort of asian american community for you to have two people who in a by
american standards have identical politics right they're they're identically right-wing on things
like racial politics on their like anti-crime stuff you know who are incredibly sexist and
like homophobic but they absolutely fucking hate each other because one of them is a pro-CCP Chinese nationalist and one of them's an anti-CCP
Chinese nationalist. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But this, this kind of, like, you know, what's
been able to kind of weld that shit together is, is this sort of, like, Republican anti-black
Puff on Crime campaign combined with all of this sort of media sphere stuff.
Wow. Yeah. You know, it's Shays it's shades rebellion all over again like just
at least you're not them yeah you know and and yeah like the simplicity of that right-wing message
of just like here's all your problems all your problems are those fools and i'll just get rid of
them yeah and we can solve this with more cops and donald trump we just solve it with more yeah
yeah man so for my end i looked at the black and Latino vote.
I can run through the black one pretty quick because it wasn't as interesting of a story.
And also because, you know, we did an episode with Garrison Hayes from Mother Jones on like
black conservatives and Trump voters. And I think ultimately it comes down to the fact of like
the Franz Ferdinand thought of like the franz fernand
thought of like okay what is what is liberation like what is freedom and is it you know my ability
to flourish without any hindrances or is it a collective ending of suffering you know i'm saying
so like in other words it's like this this plantation would be better if I ran the big house rather than being like burn the fucking big house down because there shouldn't be slavery.
You know, say so like that sort of approach to, again, the reality of why know the system's not for me.
In a lot of ways, that's what's interesting about the understanding of it.
So when you would look at somebody like a black person, like, why would you vote for this racist man?
And it's like, well, the same reason i would vote for every other racist man you know i'm saying like which find me one that ain't you know so like that attitude is
already there so you know obviously all of us would push back and say that like well you choosing
yourself is also a vote against yourself and is destroying your community. Clearly, it's never worked.
At some point, which I'm sure y'all can relate to, it's like, I feel two ways when I see black
people, specifically black men, sit at this table because I'm like, I can imagine the first joke
that you kind of let slide that was like i was kind of weird but i don't know
it's not it's no big deal i'll get over it maybe maybe they didn't mean it you know and then that
joke gets more and more intense and then all of a sudden you sitting in a room and they cracking
jokes about haitians eating pets yeah and that puerto rico's a trap you know i'm saying it's
like it didn't start there it started with you accepting and just being like all lightened up. And at some point somebody said something to you
and you made a face and they went, dude, just, it's a joke, man. It's a joke. Come on, bro. You
know me, you know me, right? You've had that, you know what I'm saying? And I know that happened a
year ago and now look at you, you know? So like eventually the point i'm making is like at some point you are going to
have to lay down all of your identifying factors to be able to stand that stay at this table and
and i hope that i hope that 30-year fixed mortgage was worth it yeah you know so the black story is
that is like what is going to get us the financial or get me specifically minds the financial freedom that that the Democrats kept promising but never gave to us?
But that's like I said, that's a much less interesting story in my in my opinion than than the Latino vote, which we could talk about after this break.
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Now, 64%, right, of air quotes Latinos voted right wing this year.
Now, I feel like this, well, I don't feel like I know this needs a lot of unpacking because first of all, what the hell is a Latino? Yeah. Right. Is the first question
that you have to ask. And essentially I find, I think, I think I've come to the fact that what
America means by that is you were colonized by Spain. So in some way you kind of speak somewhat
Spanish, unless it's Brazil, in which case you were colonized by
the portuguese right so it's like you don't even know what you mean like y'all don't even know what
you mean it's sort of it's staggering that like one of our primary demographic categories was
invented by a coalition of like maoists and uh like like vietnamese marxist leninist that fell
apart immediately the moment that china invaded vietnam and that's only our second most incoherent democratic category like it's completely incoherent right so you have
exactly you have my wife my life partner who is born in la but she is a first gen she grew up in
southern mexico she is first gen mexican but she's like i identify as indigenous
and it's and it's true she is like even when we did the dna test if you believe in that stuff
she's like but you can just look at her and i'm like you're inking like you know just i just you're
looking at her and she's like yeah you're right like we are overwhelmingly vast majority of her dna is
indigenous so for her if you check a demographic box it's like are you are you hispanic she's like
why would i identify with the colonizer so no i'm not hispanic like they're the colonizer yeah right
whereas you ask a puerto rican or a cuban or or Dominican, they say Hispanic, but they just mean it differently.
One, because the island was called Hispaniola.
You know what I'm saying?
So like they just mean something totally different.
And Dominicans is black as hell.
You know what I'm saying?
And then what about a Cuban?
The way that they relate to America is also incredibly different, especially because of like you know i'm pretty sure
y'all room knows is if you could touch dry ground right yeah and that really just had to do with the
fact that we just ain't fuck with castro so the way that they relate to even immigration is
completely different because if you could make it to the soy if you could make it to florida you
a citizen so they just didn't go through the same things that people from Central and South America went through to be able to become a citizen.
And on top of all that, California, Arizona and Texas is Mexico.
So like so some of them ain't immigrants. They was here like the border move. We didn't cross the border. The border crossed us.
So you put all that together, mixed with a group of people who might be ninth generation
Mexican, that people that don't speak Spanish, the no sabos, as you call it, like won't even speak
Spanish. You know what I'm saying? That like, you love all these people who speak so many different
languages and have so many different understandings of who they are and you just call them Latino
and then you get this number.
But if you're willing to accept the absurdity of it,
then we could talk about the actual,
like what actually happened here.
And what you find are two things
that seem so reductive,
but as you look at the exit polls
and even like interviews that I personally conducted,
if you set aside the person that has been just cooked
by just the right-wing information,
set that person aside.
That is just, your brain's been cooked.
You set that aside and you look at this,
there are two very reductive things
that just continue to just be true.
One is Latin America is very religious.
Yeah.
It's still Catholic.
And machismo is a big part of their culture.
And it just it seems so reductive.
But it's but it's what happened.
You know, this is still a very patriarchal culture.
still a very patriarchal culture. And, you know, as anecdotal and as running joke as it is that,
like, if you have a Latina daughter and she's bringing, because again, they're very traditional.
That's why I'm saying I'm using cisgender things. It's like you bring a boy over,
your grandma, all your tias are watching you make him a plate. You have to go over there and make him a
plate and sit it in front of him, or you going to be judged. This is just the culture, you know?
So it's no surprise that that is not going to play into how you vote, right? And then secondly,
the religious thing in the sense that like, this actually like really blew my mind.
in the sense that like this actually like really blew my mind and a couple interviews i had i wanted to talk to specifically latina women because i was like it just seemed as though
there was just a line that trump and
by extension the republican party could cross like where's the where's the line what is the
too far line right and they landed on a few things it was it was crazy like after talking to three
different women they all kind of landed on the same things. It was abortion. Yeah. Right. They were like, at the end of the day, this is untenable. And to which I pushed back where I was like, well, Trump's not anti abortion. And what they all said was like, we could deal with the 16 week. Like I could deal with the 16 week thing, obviously, because again, they are women and
they're not completely peeled. They're like, we understand that there are situations that happen,
right. That just are untenable. And then the next thing that they said was like,
which was the part that like really just kept putting my brain in a pretzel was we are really big on anti-sex trafficking.
And the, the idea for us on this, knowing that like, okay, so the right wing stole that,
like, they don't believe it. They stole that concept and they wrapped everything around it.
But one of them mentioned how she couldn't vote for Hillary because she heard rumors about child stuff.
And she's I mean, she's referring to Pizzagate, you know?
Yeah. Yeah.
This is huge shit.
Of which I was able to push back to be like, well, that was, you know, debunked.
Like she was like, I just don't want to I just don't like I just don't like how they move.
I don't trust Bill and how he behaved in the Oval Office.
And it's like you're looking around like, are you?
They were both on Epstein's plane.
Like, what?
I'm like, she even said, she was like, but the Epstein thing.
And I'm like, well, they're all, I don't, I don't understand.
I don't understand how you don't see this connection.
Yeah.
Right.
And to which they both said oh no we see it you're
again find me someone that's not nasty is is their answer find me someone that's not corrupt find me
someone that's not nasty at least he's gonna save the babies was the thing and then the next question
i had about them was the anti-immigration thing the the borders, right? And we're talking to people who are one and two,
some of them three generations removed.
And one of them gave me an example
of a family member's in-law who got deported,
50 years old, got deported
from something they did when they were 19.
He's like, it's tough.
Like this was a hardworking man who's done his best,
who, you know, has done everything they could.
And it's got to, so I asked her like,
yo, do you think that,
so do you think that that's unfair?
She said, no.
She was like, our family waited in line.
Our family did everything they needed to do.
We fought, we came to this, same thing.
We came to this country because we believed in the dream and we fought for it, you know, and we, and we did it right. You know, obviously like
with the Mexican, like sort of like work ethic of like, no excuses, just work. We don't, we can't
stand for no cheaters. We don't believe in stuff like that. You have to work for yours, right?
And we come here, there's no cuts in front of the lines. There's no shortcuts.
You do the work. Right. And if you cheat, you go to the back of the line. That's just what it is. So she's like, he's talking about criminals. I'm not a criminal. He's talking about criminals.
Yeah. You know, that's not me. I'm I'm a hardworking citizen, you know, so that sort of mindset and then she said at the end of the day we came for the
dream I'm here to work you know and if I put in the work if my family puts into work we succeed
that's what this country's for you're fucking it up for all of us you cheating the system is
fucking it up for all of us and so that sort like, I can swallow the racist shit because I don't give a fuck about
you anyway, because I already know you don't give a fuck about me.
I'm just here to get mine.
So for them, at least according to the way they're explaining it is like the prejudice
line is not a line they worried about.
That's something I've already accepted, you know, but what is a line is oddly enough,
treatment of women and the treatment of children and the ability to flourish.
And then lastly, for the men, it's what we know, like just the manosphere has cooked our kids.
It just cooked them, you know, and it dovetailed so well into the latino machismo and even on the black shit
like i knew we were in trouble when the hood niggas was tom was running around here saying
they was gonna vote for trump because it's because they understand it it's like you either get on or
get out like i'm here i'm gonna get with my you either for me or against me we this is what we
doing you know i'm saying right i'm gonna let you be you know as me or against me we this is what we doing you know I'm saying
right I'm gonna let you be you know as as derogatory as this is like I'm gonna let you be a
man you go fight what you gonna fight and the Democrats are gonna turn your sons into daughters
I don't that like that's the that's the thought you know I'm saying it's like okay well well
fuck it let's just get ours you know i'm saying that simplicity of a message it just
resonated while you have which didn't bother me but you have somebody like obama coming in there
like somebody's uncle basically like you young niggas need to turn pull up your pants stop acting
like thugs and get in line you know i'm saying it's like all right okay uh you know to me i don't
bother me because i'm like well yeah you're somebody's uncle like you are that oh you of course that's how you talk you
know but the street dudes is like look man I don't need this like I don't need this Harvard grad like
pretty ass like rich nigga to tell me what it's like you was never out you wasn't out here you
wasn't in the trenches you know I'm saying like you're a millionaire I don't like you I you barely
want to oh because you can hoop oh so you like basketball you one of us you know i'm saying so i just think that that like you've already got yours so let me get mine
is like at the end of the day was so appealing to this particular demographic and it just made sense
so that's why they voted that way yeah and i think there's just sort of like angles of this too that connect with what was going on with with asian americans so partially also the
religion angle is a thing that isn't talked about enough and also isn't talked about enough with
asian americans like particularly chinese americans there's a whole bunch of how do i how do i how do
i explain this in a way that you know the sort of like zeal of a convert shit where like the first generation converts are the most nuts.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that's like a huge portion of like Chinese Christians are these like first generation evangelical converts.
And so you get these just like really terrifying, like ferociously right wing stuff that there just just kind of like just kind of eats everything around
it and i think the second part is i think there's an interesting distinction here too because i
think there's like a kind of differing parts of the story-ness of the kind of like we came here
to work thing because that was the asian-american thing from maybe 20 years ago and the last 10 years and especially post 2020
has been people realizing that it's not real yeah and that you know you work you work you work you
work and this is this is actually also funny enough exact same thing happening in china with
sort of different political results because it's less it's you know we're not dealing with yeah
like the same kind of sort of immigrant culture stuff but the chinese-american version of this
was like okay we need to figure out who to blame for this yeah and they were like well
yeah okay it's because of like all of this crime shit because like people aren't going to prison
for one million years and like i see a black person and there's like a homeless person who i
have to like walk past every day this is the reason why like our fucking dream died and that
was a really sort of appealing
message people and it's the same kind of thing with the the people who went for the affirmative
action stuff where it was like the people who yeah you know are like in all seriousness like
we're running into kind of like oh no there actually is a sort of wall that you hit yeah
where it doesn't matter how hard you work like there's only so many spots at university there's only so many totally you know there's only so much so far you can go and hitting that wall
drove a bunch of people right you you make a good point you know and and i'm i imagine the same
sort of reaction to that within the chinese community is going to be the same with ours
where it's like okay you gonna learn that you are not welcome to that table you know yeah
they will always choose themselves and you know you could dress yourself up you know and just
to the degree for which you can alter all identifying factors for us it's like to the
degree for which you can remove your blackness is to the degree for which you're welcomed in this table.
But at some point you can't take it off.
Yeah, it don't rub off, you know, dress your kids up.
You know, that was like for us with respectability politics, like teach your kids to speak proper English and dress them up and don't let them wear hoodies.
OK, good luck.
You know, like Jay-Z's seminal work.
Look, O.J. said, I'm not black.
I'm O.J. OK,j okay like you know it's just yeah
they will never accept you the the world you're trying to get into will never accept you and this
step towards trying to be accepted by this world is working against you and everyone else behind
you you know yep but this is america you can vote however you want to vote
well and i think 2020 like for us was that moment right where like you know everyone kind of got
knocked out of the you know whichever way you sort of fragmented politically it's like that's
when you got knocked out of the sort of obama multiracial dream yeah was when you realized
that like all of this fucking progress you made isn't going to stop people from killing you in
the street Yes
And the reaction to that was like and I saw this on the left were like a bunch of people fracked
Basically splintered off and became like hardline Chinese nationalists because they were afraid and they were like, okay
Well, you know, here's this thing that we have this like strong state that will protect us and we just have to fight for it
Here is a glad didn't work, right? You know, and then you have a lot of other people who?
Started to recognize that this wasn't
going to happen right that like the the thing that they had bought into was a lie but the part of it
that they believed they were just like well okay if we can just like fucking get the black people
out of here and like we can get the cops in yeah you know we can go back to living in our
fucking fantasy world yeah and that's been just the the sort of dominant response
to it and i i don't know it's it's bleak but it's not something that can't be overcome but it's going
to require like it's going to require organizing and it's going to require the left to not be about
fucking making white people feel more anti-imperialist which has been what fucking
politics for asian americans has been and until that shit gets jettisoned like you're gonna keep seeing
this shit accelerate yeah man has there been any um i don't know if the right term is like
vision casting among this community because like i say that to say, albeit a very small, very small fraction of voices, but among some of the black thinkers is like a serious consideration of pursuing, like creating a third party of just like like.
But let's like take it serious this time, like for real, for real.
Yeah.
for real for real yeah you know like there's you know it's like i said it's very small and like obviously like my grandchildren will probably be the ones to see any sort of beginnings of that
actually taking root but it's still like you know if you were to there's some of the things that are
being talked about right now like we should like really like really consider it is there anything
like that going on no like and this is this is also part of the problem is that like the asian american intellectual class is like one of the most
bankrupt classes in the entire country there's nothing it's a wasteland out there like it's
oh my god yeah like it's it's so bad it's it's like all of the art in the media the culture
the sort of analysis is all i've talked about on this show a decent amount, but it's all wrapped up in this sort of like, oh, you too
can like integrate and become a small business owner.
And those people, you know, the people who believe that and people who did that don't
actually have any interesting ideas.
They have, they have the incredibly narrow ideas of their class and the incredible narrow
idea, incredibly narrow ideas of their class are completely useless for the sort of task
we have ahead of us.
Yeah.
And, and it's kind of working for them. Yeah mean it's working for them it's yeah it's working for
them it isn't working for anyone else yeah exactly yeah and like oh my god like i don't know like the
people who are supposed to be like wesley yang who was supposed to be like the great sort of like
new asian intellectual is now this just completely cooked right winger like some of some of the
people have been like turning on like some of the like the big of the people have been like turning on like some of
the big podcasters have been like turning on trans people and i'm just like well fuck all you guys
like eat shit um basically yeah so yeah it's it's a the situation's bad it's also the fragmentation
is so powerful because you're dealing with so many kinds of like linguistic lines and lines
between people
who've been here for 10 generations and people who just like walk off the boat yesterday there's
you know and so the fragmentation i think helps yeah prevent a more coherent sphere but like it's
it's bleak out there yeah man it's the prognosis yeah you, like, the black queer community is obviously incredibly vibrant and strong and organized. And, you know, at least from the part of the intersection that I'm a part of, you know, the voice coming out of that, that space of like, a lot of times of like, very much prophetic and like, you know, very much-telling that you hear from again like you
know black queer community is like from our perspective they continue to be like five steps
ahead of us yeah you know of like where we need to go as as a as a people yeah this was like the
sex worker orgs for us but then because this is another thing with left just kind of shit the bed
right like this is a thing with bernie where bernie voted for sesta fosta right and there's never been a reckoning about that at all yeah
and so you know like the stuff that could have come out of that just kind of never did and we
never got the kind of integration the kind of politics that we could have had if people had been
like five percent well not five percent they would require them to move
their positions a bit but like people had actually cared about sex workers we wouldn't be here right
now but you totally hear my story yeah yeah well that was informative this has been uh i don't know
how do i just how do we describe what this has been, Mia? You know, I think I close with this, right?
This situation isn't hopeless.
Yeah.
Right?
There's been a lot of good tenant organizing going on.
There's a lot of kinds of stuff that can and do work.
It's nose to the grindstone time, right?
It's time to lock in.
It's time to organize.
And these communities can be organized.
Yeah.
We just haven't yet.
And, you know yeah to your point like for me like all information is helpful like like if somebody's lying to you like
it's it's good information to know that this person thinks that that's something worth lying
about you know like you just you just told me something about yourself that the fact that you
think that that's worth lying about so I say all that to say this understanding,
a better understanding of like,
it's hard to reason with somebody when they hungry, you know?
So just a better understanding of
what do these communities actually prioritize?
What do they actually value?
And obviously like, you know, the Dems
and unfortunately even the left was just like,
just swinging a miss guys. Like this type of thing, like you said, it's not hopeless. It's
like, now there's an understanding of like, okay, so you, you value the hustle. All right. Well,
let me tell you in the ways for which the choice you just made is working against your hustle,
you know, like, or now, now here, here are ways for which you can,
like you said,
nose to the grind and accomplish these goals in a way that's not so
detrimental to the people around you.
Yeah.
You know,
I'm with it.
Like I'm not hopeless either.
I think that we just need to think about the word,
our word choice and what Hills we willing to die on and be like,
this is what we meant when we said this.
Yeah.
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