IT IS WHAT IT IS - A NEW ERA BEGINS FOR THE GIANTS, KELCE VS. REID ON THE SIDELINE & ZION WILLIAMSON TRANSFORMATION

Episode Date: September 24, 2025

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Yeah, you got your shirt on. Yeah, that's it, Claret. Yeah, Moe's on the day. You know, let me move this on the day. It's the least I could do is weird or more me. He made 100 shirts for us. So shout to Ajax. You know, sham little brother.

He makes the jersey. A lot of niggas, no more ain't good. A lot of niggas ain't no more one to the Broncos, man. So I'm born my Broncos. I got one for you and I got one for Sallat. Shout to Ajax. He made the jersey. So.

I like that. Lorette. Yeah, he got one for you murder and one for you. So that got the home team. Mo, how do you feel when niggis wearing your jersey, man? Yeah. Look, you see, I'm smiling, man. He made me smile, man.

Yeah, man. Because, you know, it didn't necessarily end. First of all, the story's still going on. on right now, but it ain't anything that Ohio State, nigga? The fuck is they talking about, nigga? We made it to that and the fell for a second, nigga. Yeah, but even doing that

that makes people more interesting in the story and so since the story keeps going on and they get a chance to watch me on the platform like, things are well, and I'm rich now. I can talk about shit now. I can't talk about shit, nigga, that's what I like to. Yeah, talk that shit, nigga. He said, things are well now, I'm rich now. Hey.

Hey. I like that. Playing with a nigga money. Yeah, I'm on my reparations to her right now. I appreciate the platform because people get a chance to see me get better over time and they get a chance

to see me doing on this platform. So thanks to both of y'all. I know I said it in the text message but I really appreciate it because I'm front and center now. Yeah, listen, man. You front and center as a while, but we know what you're saying.

We get it. We know what you meant. Yeah, and I'm going to be honest with you, I'm trying to show people my same growth, but they won't let me. Pause. I'm trying to grow up out here. They won't let me do shit.

I'm trying to be a positive person out here, and they won't let me. So I guess your growth pause is part of my growth. I go through you. I heard all so, a scam, Mo. No, I was sad in a serious way, man. You know, one of my favorite parts of the week is getting on the show. you know laughing joking with y'all and i was asking myself like why do you like it so much but

you know to to be in my 40s and to be doing like a cool thing with black people to do to be doing a show to be growing up to grow out of all that shit and to genuinely like like the people who you doing the show with like it's like it's a cool thing to me but i do get you when you say you know you try to grow up in a certain shit to try to pull you back down i'll be having those moments but part of seeing y'all growing up and matured is you know it becomes encouraging to me sounds corny You sound crazy to saying it, but it's real. No, we appreciate it. I heard you're talking, too, when I was there,

talk about the Bengals Law, so I got along. You know what? That did happen. Listen, Browning. They had a whole, um, cartoon about you. You saw it? I don't know. I missed it, but I can imagine.

I can imagine. Where they had you with the, with the sailor hat on, where they said the ship is going down. Yeah. With the captain. Yeah. Where's the captain? I can imagine, man.

Listen. Listen, Brown and I set you up. I set you up for the alley-you. You set me up for failure. I tried to get you the Tom Brady, the Tony Romo story. I tried to get you the, uh, what's my thinking of Kurt Warner story? It just let this shit just went out the window, man. And I think the defense just took off too because they said,

fucking Joe ain't here. Why should we be working? But I, I peep y'all. Yeah, even Arabia threw a shot in. Yeah, I can imagine. I'll tell you this much. This is what I will say. Arabia, stat, we all got the same record.

You, Maurice and Mike is still not ahead of the Cleveland Browns. Same. I mean, ahead of Cincinnati Bengals. So, Arabian stat, they caught up to me. You murder, murder, Mike, and Maurice. Maurice, y'all niggas came back. That Browns game was kind of sensational the way y'all beat Green Bay, man.

Yeah, look, one, I'd say misery-love company. Yeah, that's the fact. Well, you bowing out? You're saying misery-like company? No, you see he couldn't take his ale by himself, so. Yeah, yeah. Harlow.

Probably ain't taking the hell, though. I'm going to go to hell with the shit, but I'm bringing some. some niggas want to with me. Right. I'll just say it was too good not to talk about it because you were really hyping up Browning. And that's exactly how things go to

as soon as you say like, just wait, I'm going to give him that moment. Of course, you can't move out. I'll be honest, I don't know the nigga. Now he doesn't know the nigga like that, man. Don't say I'll be trying to help people like. You're trying to give him a shot. I don't really know.

the nigger murder so whatever Joe, my man He's the best one But like you said We are on the same boat We'll eventually catch up It's going to happen

But Stead You guys are up one game Stead And it's week three It's week three I think it's You wasn't saying that last year

Last year Last year It was a whole number Tune Y'all still ain't get a win yet It was all that this time Last year But now it's only week three

No We'll see what happens with your team. But, okay, let's start with the Giants. So they're planning to start Jackson, Dart, and bench Russell Wilson ahead of their matchup versus the Chargers. Maurice, do you think this is a good decision? I think it's a great decision. And the fact of the matter is, I think, when I saw this topic, I was saying myself, you know,

sometimes we look at athletes the way we look at entertainers. And what I mean by that is that, you know, with entertainers, when they make a hit record, you know, you'll fall in love with them. and you'll realize that, you know, these guys don't need to be in shape or be at their greatest moment to, you know, replay that record. And with athletes, man, when they have a great season, we seem to try to relive that moment over and over again, or you're trying to recapture that in some capacity. And with Russell Wilson, just seeing him bounce around to the Steelers and then eventually

coming to the Giants and he had his moment against the sorry cowboys, people were holding on for him to do something great for too long. But, you know, he stunked up, you know, and he's, a little bit older in his career. And, you know, now it's time for the mantle to proverbially be moved to Jackson Darts. So I'm looking forward to see what the rookie does. The Giants fan base is looking forward to doing with it too. And so that's my take on it.

Yeah, I'm not ready to pause. I'm not ready for that. Nah. You know, Russ just got there. It's only been three weeks for Sierra to go out with Lala. You know, you can't stop the party this. early. They got to leave Russ in there, pause at least for another week. Week four, if he doesn't do well, I would say move on from him. But at least give him, the man just had 400 yards.

This is New York. This is typical New York. The man just had 400 yards. He comes back to next week, stink it up. His average is at least 280, 280 yards right now, 280 yards. You can't put Russ on the bench just yet. But it's New York, so it's always whatever you done for me lately. Let me ask you a question, murder. Come on now. I'm just asking you a question.

You play for Young Life. This is an amateur AAU team when we was younger. I played for them briefly, but mainly Gauchos, but I'm asking for murder. You play for Young Life. Yeah. I play for Gouchos.

Mm-hmm. I get the young light. I love Gouchos. I'm coming to play with y'all. My first game I got, I get, I get nine points. Second game, I scored 30. Next game I score seven. What you're telling she even third?

What are you going to tell the coaches like? The nigger might not be like that. He might have a good game. What you're going to talk to Mamsie? Yeah. What you're going to tell him? Yeah, he might have a good game. I don't know.

The nigga ain't like. The nigga had a lucky game. That's what I expected you to say. That's exactly what I expected you to say. You brought me back. You brought me back. You're going to be like, yeah. Yeah, the nigger had a lucky game, man.

He ain't like that, man. You know, and now he's coming back to his self. Yeah. That's really him. The nigga we saw last week is the one of who he really is. Yeah, I already know. You get the new nigga who's supposed to be nice and he ain't doing. what you expect.

I know you personally. Yeah. That's what I'm out of time. Yeah. That's what you're going to tell, niggins brought this nigger over here. He's taking the floor up. He ain't kind of right.

Listen, I already know you. That's my... Yeah, he running ice cream. He ain't getting no baskets. Yeah, exactly. Niggas sending me through, balls and all that. Fuck is he to send me through waving me off.

They're going to miss it that time. I already know you, son. I already knew that's the same way you got to treat this situation. Yeah, you're right. What I would say is this, is that. I think this, look, it became, it came down to this. It's been pressure, and I have no reason why maybe Nick could tell you when you're

tuning in the Nick show, Nick has his own show as well. And he's a super-duper giant fan. But, yeah, it's like this, bro. I agree with me to a certain extent. Three games? Yeah, cool, but this is when everybody's under pressure. This is what happens when your head coach is under pressure for his job This is what happens when your GM is under pressure for his job

Because at the end of the day, all these niggas was told without being told That you want a one-year deal This shit about to be up if y'all don't get it right this season As far as the bull I always pronounce this wrong, but that's the head coach And the general manager They already like, yo, I better get it right this year We kept y'all niggas because we're thinking about getting rid

to y'all niggas. But we kept y'all niggas, so get it together. And their job's on the line. What I will say about this is that I don't know if the Giants have enough weapons to where it's just going to be resolved about putting the quarterback in. Just because you put Jackson Darden in, that doesn't mean he's coming to save the Giants. Is that O-line ready for him? Is the Giants defense ready for them? The niggas in the trenches and in the secondary. I know they got some great receivers, but are they going to be on point? I think this was, just purely a decision based on the head coach's jobs and the general manager's jobs. And they said, we got to do something before it's too late.

Because Michael Irvin told us, you know, 02 is not good, but 03, you enter in dangerous waters. And I think that's what this is about. But my thing is this, the real question is this, and maybe I could throw it to set with this question. is because Russell Simmons, Russell Simmons, Russell Wilson, shot to Uncle Russ without Uncle Russ. I don't know where you at these days. Living in a real mysterious life. Murder told me you see Russ Creep in one of these states.

Uncle Russ, man. But yeah, Russell Wilson, the real question is this because starting this weekend, you become a journeyman. Yeah. You're not Russell Wilson. starting quarterback, you are now a backup for the New York Giants. And unless a team that really, really needs

a quarterback bad, that's kind of where he's going to be as a backup quarterback moving forward for the rest of the career. So I act statis is that because Sierra deal with the help because now he's the help.

He isn't starting, so now he becomes the help. Would you mess with the help? They're nice It's a nice A nice human Yeah And don't get me wrong

She was with him When he was the starter But daddy just became the help How you feel about your man Becoming the help I mean if you started with them You gotta finish with them I'm just asking you

That's what I'm saying Like he's a nice Because you got to imagine them convoy's motor like, so what you're going to do? You're going to tell them the truth? Because you know it's almost over. That's the ever friends on the phone. You got to.

Yeah, you got to tell him that. I mean, and he's playing behind Jackson Dart now. This is a white boy that got the cane cuts in his eyebrow. Yeah, we'll see. So he might be ready for New York. Yeah, we'll see. But he might have another run. He might have another run because if tour is not healthy, I can really see, you know,

oh um russell wilson and miami will be perfect and see everyone would like that yeah can i be honest yeah i don't know like y'all know where i stand with russ because i have been saying this since last season i don't start that no i'm just being honest like i lost a lot of hope for him but because you see how tall he was if he wasn't up to your height

that was a very big factor too but I will add I kind of feel bad and I know it's football you can't feel bad but given the circumstances it's like like to your point I don't really know if he'll ever be a starting quarterback again because I feel like he's getting older like I said before I don't think he plays like he used to

and I feel like we've seen a lot of inconsistent numbers from Russell Wilson like yes he had a good game versus the Cowboys but you can't just have good games that don't translate to wins but at the same time it's like is this I mean I can't say it's fair or not because it's football, but he did play the commanders and he did play the Cowboys. And then the Chiefs, those are not easy teams to be also.

So it's like Cowboys is easy. Well. Yeah. And they got no motherfuck of Michael Parsing there. Well, but they're still, they are still in general. Those are harder teams to be. I'm not going to say every team can just be them. Even though given this season so far, they haven't been doing so well, but given the name, they are not considered easy teams.

That's what I would argue. So I just feel like, given the circumstances, he's just not really been in good. Well, what I'm saying is, you're saying three in theception, so that's really not good. My thing is, you say a team big and name, like, when's the last time you've been to blockbuster and got a fucking VHS tape? Like, they used to be a big name, just because the name is big. That don't mean that they're doing good. Yeah.

Cowboys just got blown out by the biz. Yeah. They stink enough, but you're right. It's probably the biggest name in American sports. You cannot argue that factor. Yeah. But I haven't watched the VHS tape and I don't know how long murder. Which is fair.

That's a great comparison. I can't even be mad at that. I'm just saying the situation. Do y'all like Rush in Miami? I think Rush should just go do media commentating. I think he should just stop. Look, but you got to think about this, right? I'm serious.

Not just Miami, but, you know, North Carolina, too. They stunk it up. whole thing about it is this is that first of all don't feel bad for us he made 36 million dollars last year from a team that he didn't even play for and he got a hundred certain million dollar contractor financially he's not the help financially i'm just talking about if you want if you wanted them females that's in the image then he's out financially he is he is super duper set but um you can't really feel bad for him he had a chance but let's think about the other people. Joe Flocko was sitting home on the couch. We didn't think that we would see this

emergence from Gino Smith. We thought it was over for him after, you know, even though it's not as bad because it's kind of quick, let's think about, even though it's one year removed, let's think about we didn't know where the fuck Daniel Jones. We thought he might be playing in Canada. So it's not over. Anything can happen. But today, today marks to begin a journey. and maybe your journey may lead you back to start or maybe your journey may lead you to what's that said. Comment to you. Which is all, like, that would be great.

I think, you know, sometimes you've got to consider other options and it might be about that time. I think this might be one of his last seasons. I know another team could benefit from him, but I don't think they're going to benefit from him that much. So quick little question before we move on to the next topic. So if Jackson Dart does bad, Marys,

do you think then they should consider putting James Winston in or do you think they continue to let dark grow? I think this goes back to what Cam was talking about. And I think the influence for the head coach and a general manager feeling like their jobs on the line comes from what happened with the Jets last year, when they basically moved everybody out and got a new regime. But I think what they're doing is giving their coach a chance to say, hey, this is the guy who you wanted and drafted.

Let's see him all the way out. You know, at the end of the day, you know, you're going to get what you're going to get with James Winston. but you have to give the rookie, you know, what he'll have, you know, 14 weeks to, you know, kind of see what he's made of. And if he starts to play, or look promising, you know, that would be a way to say, hey, let's build some other pieces around him to make him a player. But if he doesn't, you know, those guys may have to go, but they'll stick with the kid just because he's a first round pick. Mace, what do you think? What's the question again?

Yeah, basically, do they continue to let Jackson Dart grow or if he does bad, do they put James Winston and let him try? Oh, yeah, I think no matter what, you leave Jameson out. You just, you just, Jameson is good for the locker room to rally people up, get him excited about something that's not going to happen. He will be good for ministry, you know. He will be good for church. He definitely can get the crowd going and get people's hope up. But when it comes to football, that would be a great analyst too right there.

Yeah. You know? But I think you stay with the young boy. He got the cuts in his eyebrows. I told you like Kane. So he might be looking forward to to balling in New York. I'm for that right now. And then moving along.

So Andy Reed and Travis Kelsey got into what looked like a pretty heated altercation on the sidelines versus their game versus the Giants. Maurice, do you view these arguments with Travis Kelsey as a tantrum? And then do you think it's a bad look or is that just what happens in football? I think it's a bad look now. I think, you know, a few years ago when he had more, you know, trade on the tires that had, you know, yards to give and he was a bigger contributor to the offense and they had, you know, more pieces around them to win. I don't think it was a big deal. I think people categorize it as, hey, man, these guys are just passionate and they're getting into it and they want to win. But sometimes what was tolerable yesterday isn't tolerable today. The circumstances are that they're just a bad team. And oftentimes, you know, people can't read the room and just says, hey, man, you know, how you used to act before and how you you're acting now just doesn't work. And when things aren't working, you know, all the things that don't work become highlighted. And when you're trying to get back on the right track and trying to get back into being a playoff team, you know, some of the things you need is just like, you know,

what works and who's doing the things that help me work and, you know, arguing with your coach on the sideline, guys who aren't from the chief's culture, they may look at that and say, hey, that's just what guys do. And when you're trying to, you know, do something new, you know, you don't need that type of behavior inside the locker room yeah i'm in a hundred percent agreement with you mo when it comes to this championship um team and and this championship um locker room when you got people like kelsey not agreeing with the coach is a is a terrible look because when you want that camaraderie with that type of team you need your stars to buy in even if they're yesterday's stars they i think they need an emergency meeting um Kelsey is beside himself

Andy Reid is the coach of that team. And get this, ever since Taylor Swift came, it's just been a problem. I know we got the Swifties out there, but he's taking this too far. It's starting to, you know, I hope it doesn't get to the point where it looked like, you know, Bill Belichick, where he's just on the sideline making a problem for us. But, you know, at this point, he got to get more catches to be arguing with the coach. You know what, Mo, you made a great point. And I'm going to tell you something similar to what you just said.

So they was arguing last year or the year before, whatever it was. But they were winning. So it looks passionate. It looks like this year, this week. And even when they talked about it after the game, they was like, yo, man, we love each other, nigger. That's just two competitors on the same team. They want to win.

So when you're winning, it looks great. But then when you're losing, it looks like it's a headache. It looks like it's problems because they have worst confrontation. last year or the year before last than the one on the sideline of a day and the comparison is I'm going to give you this and I'm saying this not for no disc or not no clout or none of this

I'm just telling you a true story Irving God he got blessed to that came to my house one time and he was like yo man I need you to talk to Dame dash from me Cammy he said you might be the last one that'll listen to Dame I said what happens he said Dame is always Dame but

when he's winning and he's winning and he's up, his craziness seems like he's genius. When he's down and he's acting crazy, he looks crazy. So his personality is all the same, always been the same. But his circumstances make people look at you differently because of which are circumstances. So if he's up, he looks like a crazy genius. If he's down, he just looks crazy.

Same thing that we're talking about right here with Kelsey and the coach. And they're saying, when you're arguing on the sidelines and you're winning, that's passion. That's what way you want to do. When you're arguing on the sidelines and you're not winning, it looks like murder got to call you out for the swifties. And Kelsey, you ain't making enough catches. Yeah. And niggas got to get everything right. It's your hair doing all that.

Yeah, all that counts when you wanted two. When you three and no, murder would have been like, man, they're good. The niggas is like, let's figure. that out. One or two is a problem with niggas. Three and no is cool. So that's why I gave that kind of analysis

comparing that situation. Yeah, three and no, you could get a frohawk. You know, you start doing weird headdews and we down old three. Niggas want to know what's going on with you, man. So I also want to add this because I want to get you guys' thoughts on this. So a professional

lip reader basically translated the argument so it's not confirmed that this is what was said but this is what the lip reader said yeah you know that's why people be like this yeah because you don't need nobody trying to figure out what you're saying when you have in a private conversation but yeah so when kelsey walked over to andy read um Andy Reid said tell me why I shouldn't kick you off and then he had bumped his chest and then he said how about that so then Travis Kelsey responded it's my ankle I need to see a doc about that I could have saved that if it wasn't for that so Maurice hearing that context does that make you you

think, I mean, I know Travis Kelsey's position isn't going to be replaceable, but does that make you think anything different between the conversation between the coaches and how Travis Kelsey's been playing? No, this is going to be, you know how like nobody heard about what went on between Tom Brady and Bill Belichick until the end of it and things started to get bad. This is going to be the same thing. And when you look back on it, you'll say that was one of those moments that we knew there was more to it. And, you know, people start to unravel their relationship when they realize that it wasn't what it once was. And you're watching it right now, but I tell you what's happening, the general managers

and the head coaches and all the people who run the team, they're saying, how do the young guys who haven't been a part of this dynasty to make it to what it is, how do they receive that information, knowing that we're rebuilding and we're not the same championship team? So I think there's more, I think there's more to it, but, you know, that's my take on. I don't want to ramble on. Yeah, I really believe this is where Patrick Mahon's is going to have to step in because really to salvage this situation because if it gets too out of hand, it's going to totally disrupt the continuity of this team. So this is those times where the captain or whoever the quarterback is got to step in for the sake of the team, not per se to take Andy Reeside or to come and vouch for his boy, Travis Kelsey. It's just like, you know, this is not the team of last year or the team before.

So, you know, things are going to change. And the ball is going to be redistributed to other people. And he's going to be, he's going to have to be okay with that. Because right now, if you're arguing with the coach and it's only going to play out in the schemes, it's only going to play out in the plays. And it's going to be more frustration for him to come, especially as he's getting older and they're trying to go in a new direction. And some of the hardest people to argue with are the people who used to be good, right?

Not that he's not good anymore, but those are the hardest people to talk to because they're still seeing themselves as what they used to be. And it's like, no, it's a new day. You're not catching the passes like you used to catch. And every time you get the ball where you're moving the chain up and you're a first down waiting to happen. Now it's like, no, you're not. We more know you for this relationship But that's no that holds no value on this football field right now I'm gonna say this man

I ain't jacking no let readers If I ain't hear that shit come out of Travis Kelsey Mouth or Andy Rie Mouth I'm not jacking it But I don't know my J.I I ain't going to that too but my thing is about this murder I want Nick we're gonna go to the clip Well, you know what? I don't want to interrupt what's that going on, got going on.

But when we come out of break, we'll show a clip of what I'm about to tell you. When I seen a lady doing this sign language and she wasn't really the sign language lady at a crime scene and she was doing this and she was like. And I was like, and then come to find out she's been scamming these niggas, all these. police companies for months. She never knew what's on rare.

Somebody really knew sign language. Like, yo. What is she doing? She ain't doing all this shit. We're going to go to the cliff. Ever since that, lit readers, sign language,

niggas, I can't trust none of them. And we gotta trust some of them. But you got to get a trusted. So I can't go with a ran-a-releader and try and make an analyst off what they said about these niggas. I'm not jacking it.

Because these people out here pump-faking. Everybody's trying to get a dollar. Now, I bet you this lady will get hired for all type of shit because she's the NFL lip reader. Yo, who gave you the right? Who is this lit reader? Where'd you go to school for it?

We don't even know. I'm not giving an analyst on this because I'm not jacking. Lent readers are sign language people, so I know they're super dupe official because I've been duped too many times in my face on television. And then they tell us three, four days later. The woman that you watch gives this sign language she actually wasn't saying anything

that the people were saying so I'm out I don't have a comment on it that's a good take maybe be mad at that but they do do that for a living so yeah I was trying because I knew about it

when y'all was talking I said let me do the history she got a whole record of this shit how long they've been learning to get away with it who's double checking like how do you double check the sign and you make sure she's official

because you got to know sign language to make sure she's official Imagine that interview knowing you don't know sign language And you're just in there Like I'm going for the job And then you're on the news And then somebody calls you out Fair point

Okay last question regarding the chiefs Before we go to break Because I know the audience wants to see that video Because that's pretty funny We see that Travis Kelsey Has been visibly frustrated So Maurice do you think that the chiefs Could potentially be in a rebuilding phase

Right now as we're watching Or do you think that they are just fine no it's rebuilding they have um you know between injuries between inconsistencies between the low number of points i just think they're in the rebuilding phase but we're we're watching somebody uh it's no difference in a person you're just watching a person or a team rebuild their lives uh in front of our faces and this is basically what you're what you're looking at stat this is becoming a conspiracy between you morris and killer are you where do you get these questions from let me tell you guys something that are watching today right

this is moke questions actually today he's a moat question yes that's why i said it's a conspiracy through all of you because this is what happened like if you if you pick up a magazine they say oh cam says this is cam for real is this person for real it's the way you ask the question that sets up the whole conversation so right now you're you you're you you're you you guys are trying to say we're rebuilding. So what happens when we come back and win the AFC? You're just talking about the Kansas City Chiefs, bro. Nobody's that Jew.

You say that nobody singled you out. You see the conspiracy, Nick? You see the conspiracy here? Nobody singled you up. I got one person staging the questions. Another person working on how they say it. He'll look coming in. Pause on the side.

I can't win, you know? We just asking about the chiefs. They're known for winning, so they're not winning, so they're going to be talked about for not winning. This is what I'm trying to say is two games. Nobody crowns the champs moat in two weeks, right? So you go through these two weeks of us losing, right? And then we bounce back.

I mean, just we could ask this question next week, but today is too early for that. If you were evaluating somebody's music and you heard two records off of something that's supposed to be 14 records, could you tell if that person is good or bad? Of course. Mo. I'm an expert. Good question, man.

That's a good question. That was great. That was dope. That was hot. That was good. That was hot. That was a good one. I see how you.

I see how you moving. I don't want to listen to the album. I don't want to listen to the rest of the album. Shit trash, man. Moby-Nacking different. and everything since he put on the suits and all this. That's a good question. See, when somebody disagrees, not everybody acted different.

It's okay, person, I agree. And it's okay people act different. We're just acknowledging what's going on. The boy got on suits now. He's tailor-made. He's acting tailored, you know. I'm going to keep my eye on them. That's the same way that we're acknowledging that something's going on with the chiefs.

That's who you really need to be keeping an eye on because why is it a big difference from this season? The last season, that's what I'm saying. Clock it. That's what I'm saying. Okay, twin. Okay, twin. Just an observation and I think a lot of people are seeing.

So that's your team. You claim them. We're going to ask the expert. All right. I mean, if you ask you me, I don't think we're in a rebuild. Maybe I'm in a denial. Maybe I'm on Michael Irvin Street, you know. We're not in a rebuild.

We're the best team in all of football. I think I think this week will show that it'll show that last week wasn't a flute and then we'll be basking in another another um another weekend just that quick we got the 500 if they don't build in this game it's going to be definitely some talks about rebuilding and the thing about it that this is a really must win for both teams you got lamar jackson coming in there one and two yeah and then you got patrick mahomey come at one and two so neither neither one of them, probably neither one of these organizations probably even thought that they would be coming in one and two, the worst case scenario, two and one, or they might have both been thinking they coming in

three and no, not thinking this is a must one for both of them, but when I say rebuild it, I don't know if it's necessarily rebuilt it, because Thank you, Cam. You're welcome, Marlowe. But the whole thing, the whole thing about it is,

what I was going to say is this. I don't know what Mace really I don't know if you want to thank me yet because last segment Mace just was talking about you're not catching the catches that you used to catch you're not getting the yardage that you used to get

you're not the person that you need that you once was and then more talk about the swiftly so if you don't get rid of Travis Kelsey you have to start rebuilding to get some of the old pieces out of there eventually and Mace kind of said that

but he doesn't like, I just don't think he likes the word rebuilding. Do the Chiefs need some more key players to add to their offense and their defense and some key pieces? Yeah, so maybe those are better words than rebuilding. Yeah, we get rice back and the other guy, we're ready to play again. Okay. I don't think that's a rebuild. They just hurt.

Yeah, my thing is if we get Joe Burrow back, we wouldn't lose no games either. We just get niggas, we just get niggas back. We just bring it niggins magically. From the fantasy league. I get what y'all doing today. Yo, this is crazy. Nick, I'm out there by myself, realistically. But it's okay.

That's okay. We'll see what happens for the next game. It is a must-win game, so we'll see. So if we win this game and we're back 500, are you all ready to get nervous again? I mean, me personally, I'm not nervous yet because it's really going to be dependent on this game. But after we win it,

if we win it in impressive fashion, Mo, Cam, all of the Avengers against Thanos, I'm up here by myself, collecting rings. If we win this game, are you all you ready to say the boys are back in town? That's all I want to know. I'll answer first one. That's all I want to know, Cam.

Without all of the other stuff, just a yes or no? No, I'm never nervous. I don't play for the NFL. I ain't that deeply entrenched to be nervous. But I think this is a form of we call it spin. You know, it's called reverse psychology, but we'll just call it boomer-ranked psychology. Mace is nervous.

So he's pushing his nervous energy off one niggas. Because I can imagine this nigga like, the fuck his knick is doing it now. Or if you wake up and see the score like, nah, now I got to go there. I think that's what, look. Look, my team hasn't won it now and I don't know how long. Neither has the other than Mo team.

You don't want this nervous. We used to not win it. So you don't want who's feeling away like they fucking up. I don't want to use the over and under title town. So that's how you're just your nervous energy reflecting on us. Fuck, we're nervous for it.

Neither of our team won championship in years. Stap probably the closest. I went to the Super Bowl, what, four or five years ago and lost, so. It happens. Okay, so we're actually going to switch gears to basketball because Zion Williamson looks a little different, but we will discuss after the break. Another sign language interpreter accused of signing total gibberish.

This time it was at the police news conference announcing an arrest in the Tampa serial killing. We will be charging four counts of first-degree murder. Standing off to the side, apparently translating every word, this woman. We received over 5,000 tips in this case. But it turns out much of what she was signing was nonsense. Okay, y'all. So it's been a minute, but it is now, is back.

So every Wednesday during the football season, we're calling Underdog to discount a player's projection just for y'all. We're locking in one player every week. We pick a guy, lower his number, and make it easier for you to win. So, Cam, who are we looking at this week? This week, I think we're going to go with Trey McBride. Underdog has him at 64.5, but I'd like him at 50. Let me call Underdog up, man.

Yeah, y'all It's me flee Stop back and stupid Yeah Yeah, listen, listen, listen, listen We talk about that late I called about one thing Look, Tray McBride, y'all got him

64 and a half receiving y'alls I want to move that to 50 for my fans using cold care 50, 50, 50, 50. 50. thank you that's what i'm trying to we're going to talk about that later but tray mcbride at 50 peace beloved thank you it's done okay yeah yeah i just checked and cam got you all right so they moved tray mcbride from 64 and a half to 50 so the discount is live right now until kickoff

tomorrow night so new and existing customers go cook you an entry with that just make sure you sign up and make a deposit with code it is what it is next week it'll be a new player new discount same deal every wednesday welcome back so zion williamson has been committed to intense boxing and football workouts this past summer he said i haven't felt like this since college And if you guys see the transformation, Zion looks very different, definitely looks a lot slimmer. So Maurice, what do you think of his transformation and then do you have faith in him for this upcoming season? Well, I was happy for him, you know, because he's been publicly criticized about, you know, being overweight and not taking the, you know, the sport, the professional ranks as serious as people who thought he should take it. So I was excited about it.

But at this level, it comes down to can he maintain the weight that he's at, you know, and does he have the discipline, you know, once you start traveling on the road. And, you know, you've had a history more or less of not being disciplined. So, you know, I would be interested. And I'm hopeful for him that he's a little bit more mature. He's probably been around people, you know, who's changed his mentality about being a professional and taking advantage of it. So I'm happy for him, hope that he maintains it.

But more than that, hopefully he fixes his personal life, you know, with all the women and the crazy shit that he had going on with that. And he focused on basketball and become, you know, the player that everybody thinks that he can be. Yeah, when I first saw it, I thought it was AI. I'm not going to lie. At first one, at first glance, I was like, wow, they're probably trying to motivate Zion.

But knowing that that's real now, I think it's a nightmare for the West Coast. I think it's a nightmare. If Zion comes in in that kind of shape, is the not the sky is the limit for the pelicans but it should be a really really exciting NBA season for Zion

because when he's in shape nobody could guard him there's nobody on the floor that can check him so I think this is great for that team and I look forward to watching them I ain't jacking none Zion do man I ain't jacking it every year it's a transformation

oh did he see Zion in off season 9 His finger, his leg is better, his ankle's better. Yo, he lost weight. Da-da-da-da-da-da. I ain't feel this good since I was in college. You just was in college. It's the last time we've seen you play a full game just about, man. Shucking like he'd been in the league out of college for so long.

My nigger, you actually, if you did four years, you're only been in the NBA for two years. I'm not jacking none with Zion, except for them bids just be on his dick. That's all I can testify to. They be chasing Zion down the pawns. stars, the strippers, all the bitches that, that, that, that your mother tell you don't deal with. They chase him that, I'm not jacking. As far as basketball, nope, I'm not jacking it.

Now, there's two things, the ways we can look at this. Zion lost a lot of weight, and Zion's not that tall to be a power for it, but he's really strong. and when he is in shape and we do get to see him play we see him move a lot of people out the way with his body and losing this much weight

I don't know if he's going to have that same strength I'm not saying he slimmed down to where he doesn't have muscle but this is the slimmest I ever seen him so when you go to the basket and you're moving people out of the way is that same body strength still going to be there hopefully it still is and he just turned it into muscle

but I don't know it's the same thing like when you look at Luca right We see the skinny-ass Luca get ready to come into that May this year. And like Mo just said, to be totally honest with you, I hope these guys are doing it just not for basketball because, you know, eating right and everything else helps you live longer. So for being a healthy period in life. But basketball, I don't know.

You know what I'm saying? It's like when Luca, he lost all this weight, but he was the best nigger, it depends on who you're talking to. When he was out of shape, maybe he needs some niggas need to be out of shape. The nigger right now today, Luca, right now today, as you go to the record books, Luca is second in playoff scoring ever. He's not 30.

He's second behind Michael Jordan. He averages 30 points in two in the playoffs and didn't even really play on the playoffs last year. So he's second all time in playoff scoring. He ranked in every That year they went to the championship with Dallas and they lost to Boston He ranked number one in every Statistical category there was

Scoring, points As much as you say he's not in shape He ranked number one in steals So sometimes you got a nigga Doing too much Not saying he shouldn't be in shape But now what if he don't play the same Maybe he needed to drink that course

After the game Now Heineken You know that Bud Light whatever he was drinking after the game because that's what keep him on his D I'll say this you know I used to give this crackhead money

because I can't hide my faces with a lot you don't have to step it's all game what would you give the money for you know we cool with a lot of crackheads growing up so it's a different

you don't know a crackhead that you cool with I don't think I've ever met a crack or maybe I wouldn't know No, you got mad crackheads where we come from and they're mad cool They got a lot of knowledge too And they help move TVs

and air conditioners And other type of shit They mad cool, you know what I'm saying But I got this crackhead That that that nigger was mad funny man He used to have the signs and shit Yo, what's the best city? The best city to me?

Miami $11 for that. I like that. Generosity. We got some creative niggas on this one. Generosity. That was a good way.

What's the best nation? Donation. Donation. See, murder, you all trying to quit snack. That's what I'm saying. I get minors a little seven, eight dollars whatever I got there behind that shit.

You know what I'm saying? That nigga had to one side. I gave him $25 behind the sign. He said, yo, I'm not homeless. I need money for kung fu lessons. Ninja stole my family. Ninja stole your family. I need money for kung fu lessons.

Take the 25, nigga. The more the story is he cleaned itself up. And he wasn't that funny. And the jokes he was telling me, I wouldn't give him a dollar for. Shit got whacked. They was trashed. Well, hey, he was clean. Jokes fell off, but he was clean.

When he hired him, George's funny. It's hilarious. I can't pay for the clean you, but I respect it. You don't know what you're getting with Lupa and Zion. So I got to try and clean him up and make him skinny. you will not get the best city is generosity if that's what you want hopefully it'll work out

that's all I got to say about that the analogies are just so like that's what I say you guys just live a different life I think I remember when I went to New York Shook took me to city and he was introducing me to the neighborhood crackheads

he was like I talk to them all the time I was like I don't do this it They're functional. Yeah, man. You got a realize, man. This is what I say. Don't get me wrong.

If you still smoke and crack, cool. But this is dead serious. If you start in the 90s, that's on you. Because you've seen what it could do to you. If you started smoking crack. If you start smoking crack after 88, 89, I ain't got no sympathy for you. But if you started smoking crack when it came out, 82, 8, 3, 80, 485. You didn't know.

You ain't know a recreational drug. You ain't know that shit was going to have you. selling your kids. You ain't noticed it was like we're going to have you selling your body doing whatever you could for your next high. So I don't fault

the test runners the first four year. After 89, no pity. If that's what you want to do, that you see what it did to everybody. Yeah, you see what it just did the niggas. So that's all. Wow.

Like y'all have lived. I don't even have any words for that. But Zine might, looking at the picture, He does look a little too skinny. It could work out in his favor, though. We don't know. I'll give him that.

So skinny power forward, though. It could work in his favor. You just never know. I don't know yet. That's why I gave the generosity sign. We'll see. Yeah. I ain't like him when he cleaned up.

Right. So obviously with Zion working out and getting skinnier, you have to be disciplined. So in you guys' opinion, to have success in whether it be sports, entertainment or business. Maurice is going to let you go first. Is there something else that you think attributes to... Real quick, Sam, I'm sorry.

Yeah. Yo, rest in peace to the East Side Crackhead. That was his jokes. I forgot he passed away. That was my bro, too. So R.P. East Side Crackhead. You could actually go to this page.

It's pretty funny. It's still up. It's spelled, as I said, the East Side Crackhead. Sorry, sir. No, all good. Shout out East Side Crackhead. I will have to go check out. Yeah, he's freestyles and everything.

Yeah, freestyle all that. Leipers shit, nigga, nice too. You know him too. Yeah, he stopped you on the highway. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. Lincoln's finest.

That's the, matter of fact, he's from the projects you went to with show. Yeah. That's what I was saying. Yeah. It was different. That was cool. Yeah. That's right there was condos on the water.

So she walked up in there. I just never been there. He's like, yeah, you got to roll the windows up. I'm like, what? I don't know. I don't know, y'all. But what I was saying is, Mauree, do you think there's something else that attributes to the success outside of what the public knows when you want to be successful, whether that be in sports, business, or entertainment? Yeah, I can only speak for myself.

But this question came from, like, visualization is a large part of what I do. Whenever I think about doing anything, business, sports, or everything, I didn't realize I was doing it when I was younger. But anything that I feel like I can visualize, rather I'm getting into a new deal. whether I'm doing the show, you know, and I start to visualize what I want to show the experience to go, like, once I visualize something, and once it shows up in my mind, and once I start speaking to myself, I feel like, you know, that attributes to my success. And I seen Cam, one time I don't know who he was doing an interview with, and he was like, you know, I do affirmations in the mirror every day. And I know they kind of jokingly joked it all, but I was like, oh,

that's real because I do affirmations every day. But I think, like, you know, people may joke around with it, but, you know, how you hone your energy and how you visually just see all the details of stuff and being able to make it happen, I think that attributes to a lot of my success that I have today. Yeah, I think, Mo, I think me and Mo, we're all saying that's probably the same thing, but I like to attribute it to foresight, like just being able to see where something is going before it gets there. So it has a portion of vision in there, but it's more so for me as knowing what each thing leads to the next thing. So always seeing that from the beginning helps you to make decisions

and make very bold decisions, even when people don't understand it because you can see something that's down the line that's going to happen. That goes with the thing you're doing today. So I would say foresight. Yeah, I think what MoM may say 100% is absolutely correct. But it's also the preparation of, of knowing what you want to do

and the opportunity of doing it. Like we, you know, we had to talk about the five P's the other day Stap Mastor he's making some shit up and we was teaming up. But seriously, you have to prepare and then when the opportunity presents itself, cool. When you sit there and see LeBron James hit a buzzer beater, or you sit there and see

Tom Threat Brady throw a bomb for a touchdown and win a Super Bowl. or you see Serena Williams on the tennis court when the U.S. Open. That didn't happen yesterday. That didn't happen with them just going to the gym yesterday and be like, I'm going to work out

and be the best whatever I'm doing today. It takes a lot of hard work behind the scenes and behind the scenes people don't see that. They just see what's here today. Same thing, you can sit here and think about this show that we're doing. it's one thing to be like

yo murdering cam and staff they're gonna do a sports show it's another thing finding a production company it's another thing building the set it's another thing paying for lights it's another thing buying cameras it's another thing paying for the right staff

it's another thing it's all it's not just yo let's do a show and we get some microphones to be in our bathroom yeah you know LeBron James is shooting 500 jump shots tonight

Tom Brady's probably throwing 100 touchdown passes in his back yard per week. But it takes the preparation and then the vision. Like Mo said, you know, I talked about it before. The vision, you have to have it. Because if you don't see it and just talk about it, and it's kind of to Mace thing.

To me, it's kind of Mace said it more sophisticatedly, the foresight. But I agree with both of them. You have to think about where it's going to be because you may just be bugging and it's not going to work. And it may not work out But if you don't have the vision to at least see It trying to go somewhere

Where it could go Then it's not going to be nothing about it You know what I'm saying It's like murder I was on talk with Fleet And I was bringing up You know Sin asked me if I have a passed over on the beat

And it just got to a story And I was like, yo I remember we was building Or trying to be rappers Not even building Just trying to get names for the group Or come up with names and concepts and so on and so forth.

And somebody we worked with named their company six-figure entertainment. We ain't have a dollar, Mo. None of us had a dollar. But Mace was like, yeah, I can't fuck with him. I said, what happened, money? He said, he's talking about six figures.

His expectations is too low for me right now. We have a dollar. We have no money. Yeah, we didn't have a dollar. And this was Mace said. He said, y'all, my niggas, expect. I can't really fuck him. with your man like that.

He's already reaching too low. My, nigga, I'm talking about when I say we have a dollar, we may have had a dollar. Literally, maybe three. Maybe three, and we might have just bought chicken wings that night. Yeah, chicken, yeah, and all that shit. But if that's your mindset, you already thinking that,

if he's typing out, and six, I don't want to be around them. Yeah, killer was looking. You can have me like, man, you ain't got to die. What are you talking about? No, because you know why? We can't do that. You know why?

I was, because it wasn't about that Mace was wrong because Mace was right. He's 100% right. But I'm just trying to keep the team together. I'm just trying to, he did the beats, murder. Like, I'm more like, listen to the bees. I say, I can't listen. Yeah. I was, I thought, you know, I'm 100% agree with you.

So I wasn't about not green with you. I'm more like, you know, murder, let's get $2 because he got the beats. He's my man too.

Like, nah, I don't want nothing to do with him. Then we ask blood and blood go. Yeah, but what the dude got a point. Why are we tapping out here? So,

yeah, but that's part of having a vision of when you're young saying, I'm not settling for that. That's not where I wanted to end at. And you can't disagree with that. Even like me, like,

When I do freestyles and shit or whatever, you know, I already visioned myself sitting in the chair before I get there because I got to do all this. I got to make sure you know what this shit is about when I'm doing. This is already in my brain before I get to the camera and to the mic. This is me in the car making sure all this is right. From Harlem. This got the match, nigger.

All that got to, you know what I'm saying? I'm already visioning that before I even do it. So that's why I agree with Mesa, the foresight and the vision on both what both you guys were saying. So for me, I'm still obviously really early in my career and I'm still actively learning every single day. That's how I can better myself. But I would say, because I also get asked a lot of questions because even just being in this position alone, like I always say it's kind of crazy. because when I look around at like who's doing something similar, I don't see it.

Even just even black woman being in the position that I'm in, like maybe there's like a couple people that I can count on my fingers who are hosting a debate style show, especially with y'all up here because you guys are so good at what you do. There's just, I don't know anybody who does that. My biggest thing I would say, obviously I would say it's a vision because you have to really believe in yourself because sometimes other people think that what you're doing

doesn't make sense and it's not supposed to make sense for them. It's supposed to make sense to you, but also being comfortable taking risks. And then I would also say, like, there's no right way to do things. Every time people ask me, how did you do this? How did you do that? Like, just because you went to a school that I went to or you took a class that I took or you tried, like, doesn't mean that it's going to be the same outcome that I had. You really have to have trial and error within yourself to see what's going to work out for you. And it's okay if things don't work out because then you have to be able to re-center yourself and start again, which some people, if the first thing, you know,

messes up, they're like, okay, I'm over it. Let me just go back to doing this. Like, if you have a vision and you're confident in your vision, you better work till that vision works out. Because if you don't, you're the only one to fault for that if it doesn't work out how you planned it to. So that's the biggest thing I would say, trusting in your vision, trusting yourself, taking risks, and then make your own game plan because you are the game. That's what I would say. So I learn a lot every day. It's super dope being up here because we love to have you up here. Yeah, and I appreciate y'all so much for the opportunity because every day, like, this is my life. Like, people don't understand that.

Like, the shit that I get to do now and then doing what I love and then just, like, taking in all, you know, the information that I get. And then even just, like, the guess that we had, like, it's the dopest thing in the world. And I wouldn't trade it for anything. So it's dope being up here. Hopefully I gave you all a little gem. And hopefully y'all continue to learn, too. That's what I'll say. That's what I said.

But with that being said, y'all, that is all the time. that we have for today. Maurice, you know, it's always a pleasure to have you on the show. Mo, good seeing you, man. Very consistent with the suits, man. I like it, man. Yeah, and shout out.

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