IT IS WHAT IT IS - A WHITE VS. BLACK NBA ALL STAR GAME & WHAT'S MORE VALUABLE: A SUPER BOWL RING OR A WEDDING RING?!

Episode Date: February 12, 2026

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I'm Treasor Wilson, aka Stapp Baby, along with your host, Mace and Cam. Killer was good, man. What's up, man? How are you? Chilling, man. How you doing, Statt? Great. You have a lot of fun.

Yeah, you got that Florida Gator Blue on, so you're ready to come on. I'm not calling it that. It's just cobalt blue. Cobalt blue. Okay. Let's see. I can't call it Florida Gator Blue. Okay.

So we have a lot to talk about. There's a lot of things happening. So we're going to start with this Jonathan Kaminga story. So there's actually a post stating that the Warriors alerted Kaminga that someone around him was taking too much food from the family room. So multiple team sources felt the disconnect between the player and organization had grown petty. Kaminga actually commented on that post. with laughing emojis and said what else.

Steph Curry then actually came to his defense and replied, I'm sorry, bro, this is ridiculous. Go be great. And Buddy Heald even commented, they lying. It was Jimmy. So just all around, you know, we're talking about an organization blaming somebody's family for taking too much food from the family room. Mace, what do you make of that even getting out?

And then how do you think this reflects on the organization? You know, when people stay somewhere too long, That's when all the problems start. They always tell you that. You could tell if you stay somewhere too long when people start asking you, yo, what time you're coming in? Can you move your stuff out off the floor? You know, when people start talking to you too much about everything, then they're ready for you to go. I think the writing was on the wall when it came to Kaminga.

Everybody was telling Kaminga at one point that he should stay injured or if they call you to act like you can't play. So he was giving salt and they was giving salt back. So, you know, when you're doing well, like killers say, when they'll find a way to wipe it under the rug, sweep it under the rug. But when you're not playing well, people seem to put a magnifying glass much more in the situation. And I think when you got a family that's probably, you know, in their case, not so easy to deal with, then they add that to the fuel. And it's sad.

But I like the way that Stefan Curry tried to handle it because he tried to step in his defense and say, you know what? You know, it wasn't you. It was Jimmy Butler. We don't know if it was Jimmy Butler. But right now, we don't have to go with that because Stefan Curry said it. But I don't think it was Jimmy Butler. Because Jimmy Butler parents are probably Caucasian. Right?

Doesn't he have a mixed family? I've heard a lot of different things about it. I don't know. You know, I'm not saying that black people still fooled more, but I'm just saying, yeah, yeah, that could have came across the wrong way. We'll leave it in there, but y'all know what I was talking about. Don't take it the wrong way. And not Steph Curry didn't say that. Buddy Hill.

Buddy Hill and Jimmy Butler got one of them funny or late. They joke a lot, so that's why Buddy Hill probably said to him. It's sad that they're not together anymore because they were, like, real. cool when they're on the team together. It was really funny. So piggyback of what May said

in the last part of his tape. Like if you come to my house, right? I got two underneath my cabinet. It's filled with mad plastic bags. It's plastic bags and plastic bags. And then if you go up to the top drawer, it's mad straws and napkins.

Black people are going to take everything that we could take. When I go to a restaurant, I just grab mad napkins and throw them in my pocket. I got paper towels at home, but I just feel like I deserve 700 napkins when I leave the restaurant. And I take mass straws too.

And I take all that. Listen, if we're invited, and there's no sign that says, what's the limit? Don't tell me how much food I'm taking. It's no limit, right? Is there a limit? Does they say, yo? Is there a limit?

Two turkey wings, two this, that, and the third. It's a family room. At my family? That's what I'm all I got to say in my family. It's a buffet. Everybody I can boogey like they don't want to say that. I go to what's the name? Shout to Dion Sanders.

We used talking about Dion. Shout to Coach Prime. When I go to the game to the suite, I'm not shy about it. I'll be taking the steak, the chicken. They got Kentucky fried, all type of shit. I was just up at the Raiders shit the other day. I was waiting for when my wings coming back. They ran out of wings.

I started asking one of the wings coming back. Are they, is it in a rush? I'm going to put a rush all there. There's a bunch of niggas in here. I'm not knocking niggas if they did take too much food. This alludes to what Mesa earlier too. If it was Steph Curry family, they wouldn't be counting food. They wouldn't have, I'm pretty sure stuff has his own suite for his own family.

You know, they're throwing other players' families all together. The niggas on the bench, y'all mix it up. Stuff curry and the curry. family probably have their own chef and everything else, which she should. But listen, man, you got to expect that. I'm not shocked about it. I don't really have too much to comment on it. We're going to take as much as we can get.

We've been to pry for years. Focus on. It's pretty much it. We've been to pry for years. That's real. Real quick, make, do you think that there's an inappropriate amount to take or you take what you could get, too? I think when it comes to how.

I think it all is all based upon how well you're playing. When people don't like the way you're playing, they find something wrong. I remember I went to the Dallas Mavericks family room. And I was in the room with Tim Hardaway, Jr., and different people. And they wasn't eating that much. But me, I was thinking, well, I don't want this, but if y'all can bring the cookies back out, then I want the cookies that they had. But then, you know, this lady, she kept looking at me like,

Why you can't eat something else? Like I was supposed to take two cookies and then, you know, something else. And I was just like, miss, this is the only thing I like back here. So this is what I'm going to be eating unless y'all bring something else. They had like this fish and this rice. I'm not a fish and rice guy. You know what I'm saying? If I'm eating rice, it's going to be fried rice.

Other than that, I don't do dirty rice, spicy rice, all of that. You do dirty rice? I love dirty rice. What is dirty rice? All of it. Dirty rice is like a, like, it's not Asian. It just sound like you dropped it on the floor and picked it up and put it back in. You don't like rice and peas?

I don't know about that. What? Do you? You ate out the dirty kitchen. I don't know why it's dirty rice. It's an offending you. Did you ever eat out the dirty kitchen? The whole kitchen is dirty.

It's called Dirty Kitchen. Why a dirty rice bother you so bad if you ate in the dirty kitchen? Yeah, you know, I grew up, you know. That's that domesticated shit. My niggins talking about. Dirty rice just said, nah. I dig it. Times have changed.

Well, I think the whole thing is petty, so I'm happy that buddy and Steph came to his defense because I'm sure this is probably not the first story that we're going to hear regarding the half of them. Like me said, though, if you're playing good. Yeah, give him what he wants. Come on, boys. They're not going to ask about it.

Look, I remember you and Shug was going back and forth when Shug was here about the way niggas eat with their hands and all that. Like, when you could get away with it, some niggas, like, a thing I talked about on the show that day. That day, I was trying to cut the last piece of lamb when, you know, a nigger from the restaurant who owned it, or the manager, I should say, he's seen it with me. He said, nigga, pick that thing up.

Nake it got it. I was like, I heard. He's like, yeah, because it's. was a like boozy restaurant. I could get away with it. It is me. Somebody else they may look at like, don't let that nigga back in here and be a big of the sands and shit, man.

That's fair. It's an animal. People can definitely do what they want. Okay. So former NBA player Jason Williams said, now Thunderguard, Jared McCain needs to delete his TikTok. So he said, the TikTok is a big deal.

Then he said, if I'm in the locker room and I'm coming out of the shower and I see buddy over there doing a TikTok, dance in the locker room. That's a problem. Maybe that's why they don't want vets in the locker room because it's a TikTok era now. I don't you guys aren't really actually on TikTok for real. So I don't know if you guys have actually seen some of the clips from Jared McCain, but he's usually dancing. He even gave like a tribute to the Sixers and sang a song. I really wish I could play it for y'all. I'm going to have to show you all. But just, Mace, what are your thoughts on that? And then do you think anything is he the guy that does his

Yeah. Yeah, like he'd be doing, I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to be the one of rain pause on his parade. But do you want to be coming out the shower naked without somebody's on TikTok? That's just crazy. Like, I think, I think he got to take his time to do his TikToks when everybody is dressed and away from the team.

But when he's doing it in the team, anybody don't want to be on camera. You want to be on camera, Ken? We're on camera now. No, I'm talking about it. I was like you like, like some people don't like, like me. I don't like when people put me on camera. Like, I didn't ask to be on camera. Like, people walk up.

It's part of the game, murderers. I know you're anti-social, but you don't want to take pictures with people and everything else. I don't know. You can't turn your celebrity off. I believe you take pictures. I believe that's called me and greed. Yeah, but what if somebody don't know how to mean greed? I see that you not take pictures when they're like, yo, man, I just want to take a picture with you.

Like, nah, this ain't the time or place. You can't turn your celebrity off, but he wanted to turn it off. It's not right to the fans. No, it's not I'm trying to turn celebrity off. Like, taking pictures in the hotel, right? Then people use the picture and be like, yo, they was in the hotel with you and all that. I don't like that.

I feel you, but you work in a hotel. It's just, it's like it ain't like, it ain't like they caught you next. and some scrambling sheets. That was messed up. Or it ain't like the, you behind them or shit to say room 307. Yeah, I get it. But niggas use it like that. Oh, yeah.

You're talking about people, sorry, you talk about people kind of being like, yo, I'm with so-and-so. Like, you was kicking in. You don't even. In the hotels. Yeah. So that's a good spinoff when I tell them I can't take pictures in the hotel. It works.

Y'all are different people. That's why, like, asking you guys, it's a good to. It comes off crazy. In a hotel and in the airport. That's even crazy in the airport. Why not in the airport? Because it could look like you're going somewhere with people.

That's how my media training went. That's how they taught us up there at Arista. They said, this is how you do it. I'm not knocking me. Whatever your thing is, is your thing. I got two places too. Did it make sense? Did it make sense?

Hey, man, like you said, if you want to not take pictures in the airport. In other words, he's trying to be nice and say, Not really. Not really. That's where everybody be at, though. Yeah, that's the place. Yeah, that's what I thought.

I thought about it after I said it, but. I'm saying, you got your rules. It works. Yeah, you got your rules. Only place I don't really take pictures is, and I'll still take the picture, but if you interrupt me eating, just wait until I'm finish.

I'll take the picture, but to stop the meal and all that, they wouldn't, I don't like that. So if you, so if you're going in the bathroom, you're washing your hand, they could be like, oh, Cam, what's up, man, let's take a picture. No, I'm telling you the places I don't. I don't, I don't do it after I eat or before I eat, not during my eating.

I don't even like talking to men in the bathroom, pause. I feel like you shouldn't talk to me when I'm, my dick is out, paws taking a piss. Like, I'm super poor. Like, yo, I don't like, that shit. I ignore niggas. Kim, yo, da-da-da-da-da. And I'm like,

yo, bro. I just look at niggas like, yo, my nigga, this is not, when you get outside the bathroom, pause, I'll take a picture with somebody, I don't do the bathroom. And lastly, I don't do what in the movie did. I've been watching a movie, and the nigga was like, yo, Cam, and I look down in the nigga right there, can I get

a flick? And I'm like, yo, my nigga, no, it's the movie on it. Barbie, if you want to wait after the movie, You know it's dark in there. Paws, so the niggick, crept up on the stairs on the, nigga. Like, yo. So those are my three places. But I still do it after I leave the bathroom, pause,

after I leave the movie or when I finish it. So in the movie and the bathroom, and where else? While I'm eating. Yeah, that's it. Airport. Yeah, I'll take a picture of airport, hotel. Yeah. That's just that.

But I understand where you're coming from, and I know who you were assigned to. So I understand. I understand. The hotel, it makes sense. All I save you when you look back at it. Yeah, exactly. That's the reason my name don't come up.

Yeah, you ain't going to nobody's island. You ain't going to nobody fouls. See how that work out? Yeah, that's right, man. Well, real quick, just because I want to reiterate. And also real quick on the airport thing, too, because I feel like when people are traveling, that's probably like the one time

they'll ever like kind of get to run into you because y'all both be an exclusive place. Well, what about you, Statt? When people see you. Yeah, I'll take a picture, but it depends how I'm feeling. Like, a lot of times I got to put the glasses on. I'll be like, look, I just woke up. Like, let me have a second.

But I feel like at the airport, it's a yes. That you have a second? Yeah. Why you need a second? Because I got to put my shades on me because everybody, bro, for me, everybody, oh, like, like, let's stat, let's take a picture. and like tell Cam and bass,

and then they'll start singing you guys' songs. And I'm like, yo, I got to go. It starts being like a whole thing. That's one thing that piss me off when they camera ain't ready. And they don't know how to work the phone. They're fumbling. They be doing all the things.

What about when they ask you for a picture, but it's really a video. I hate that. People do that all the time. You don't take a picture with me. Then you have to walk. Hi. I'm going to hear with my name is right now.

Say what's up, man. Tell me a killer. What's up right now? Yeah, all these questions. Or they'll try to start, like, interviewing you. And then I'm like, okay, they'll start, oh, and how about this? And how about this? Like, I, I'm good.

Or they want to take the picture again. And be like, nah, that picture ain't look too good. Let's do it again. I get it right the first time. Everybody, you know, I'm down to take the pictures. I kiss the babies. I hug the mamas. That was crazy.

But it was crazy. You got to kiss the babies and hug the mom's. That's a mic through, too. Yeah. And that's why I mic up there. I get it. Everybody's not. for everybody, but the end of the day,

the way I just look at it is, look, I can get up and go to some job that I don't have to work for somebody and be smarter than my boss and the nigger be telling me what to do every day, then I gotta commute for. I think about the people who work nine or five who get paid probably 5% of which you get paid and what they got there with.

So that just be my mentality. All I do is hug the mommas and kiss the babies and take a couple pictures. I'm grateful, man. So that's just my mentality, how I look. Yeah, no, that's a great way to put it. And I agree, just not when it's super early and I'm not ready for the day. And that's just real for me.

That's just real for me. Or even like if we're out and like a drink. I don't even like to have like drinks. Like nothing like that. Like I'm good off that. But those are just my only two things. Okay, so real quick before we move on, because I do want to reiterate the last quote that he said. He said, maybe that's why they don't want vets in the locker room because it's a TikTok era now.

So do you have an issue with athletes dancing and doing those types of things on or you think it's just kind of part of the era that I did? No, I think, I think this era is, is important to that TikTok, and I think TikTok is important to this era. I think everything they're doing go, go hand in hand, pause, that everything that this, this, everything in entertainment right now flows through social media. So to be in entertainment and not want to be a part of social media will be like a disconnect to me, I understand that.

I think niggas don't like the dances he be doing. Yeah. That's what it's more about. It's just come on for love. No disrespect. I don't mind. I'm saying, nigga, like Jason Williams, we're talking right, right?

Right. White Jason Williams, right? Yeah, I've seen that. But to him, he's probably looking like, hold on, what's going on? Because I don't know if y'all seen these dances. It's like, yeah. I've seen the dances.

I'm cool with the dances. I ain't got no problem with it, but somebody like Jason Williams might be like, my man. Imagine you come out to shower, and they get like, ooh, and then the camera's on, too, and you're coming out to shower at the same time.

So to me, it ain't even about them being in the video. I just think Jason Williams doesn't approve of this error and what's going on in this era, and he has a problem of what's happening in this era. That's what I think Jason Williams take is. It's more about the dances that he's doing, not when he's doing it, or that is necessarily even,

in the locker room. I don't think cameras should be on the locker room, period. My opinion, that's why I think that, what's the name

that you're out in the show, Bermanor? Antonio Brown. I think that's why he got cut or dismissed from the Steelers. He's going live at halftime

or the end of the game with some shit like that. And going live while you may be discussing plays or strategy or even celebrating a win or being mad about a loss,

I don't think that's the time in place. So it ain't even about to dance. I just don't think that the camera should be in the locker room, period. You're in the locker room for 10, 15, 20 minutes. You got all day to tape whatever you want to tape. Tape it and even when you walk out the locker room. I don't think cameras should be on the locker room at all.

Okay. So Nick Wright says the NBA could fix the All-Star game. And I know we've talked about a lot of solutions for the All-Star game by doing, and it's funny when you guys hear this, by doing white players versus black players. He said white guys versus black guys. Joker, Flagg, Reeves, Caniple against Wembe, whomever. I'm telling you right now, guys would play fucking hard. There would be a real edge to the game.

Mace, we've kind of discussed this before. What are your thoughts on that and what he said? I like, I like his innovation. He's trying to, he's trying to pull strings. You know, definitely, definitely get people around up for the play the game. And when you think of black versus white, I don't. think there's anything that black people get up for more than blacks versus white it's sad to say but it's very much the truth anytime when you put those two together you're gonna you're gonna get

people playing the absolute best um but i don't i'm not sure if they win though i think the white team will win i think if you put luca and with joker and who else would be on that team flag flag he had flagged awesome craz and conniffel no they won't win they won't win they I'm going to win. Let me show. Let me show. What was the name that that did it? Because at first you're like, oh, and now you're like that. Yeah, when I thought Luca and Joker, it seemed really crazy.

But then when you start seeing Austin Reed and Cooper Flagg, you're like, no, they're not going to win. They're not going to let them win. Can't let them win. You just can't. Not in basketball. You can't. There's no way. I know killers are going to say the same.

You would not let some white boys be. you. Not in basketball. No, I mean, not when I play, but the game's evolving. I think, look, think about this, you don't want Luca to bust your ass. Or think about Joker, right, and Luca, I'm just saying these, specifically them two players. They mad, and even one of them is athletic. Like, they have no athleticism to them and they be killing niggas. You know how frustrating that probably you got to be?

You think it's slow as shit, spinning the ball. Joker can't jump. He's just saying three, he's flopping the board. Look, and you can't do nothing about it. Arguably, and it's up to the public to decide. They may been the best two players in the NBA the last three, four years. Jokers, Tamisha, have more MVP's.

You know, he didn't play one year because he got hurt to MB to end up getting it. He comes in second place to Shea last year, but he averaged the triple double, and his numbers last year were better than the years than he won the MVP. So, you know, it's going to take more than them to win, but I don't think that it's a bad idea.

You said they were the best two players the last fight? I said it's arguably. It's whoever you want to. Yeah, you can argue that. You can argue with it. Shades got MVP last year. If you want to argue about it, you can argue about this, just opinionate it.

But as far as black and white's concerned, yeah, I agree. I say all the time, however, for the black family on, on family few. Yeah, I do. Even like when I have sex with white women, it's payback. You know, they feel like they owe us too. They, you know, this generation white. They feel like their ancestors did us wrong.

And they owe us, you know, their, what's the word? What's the word that I'm looking for? I'm sorry. The shit for grievance that they, I don't know why I'm not thinking of it. There you go. Sorry. Yeah, that's their reparations.

They're giving them back how they could get back. So you think white girls is giving sex to black guys as reparations? Yes. Especially in February, probably. That's what I'm about to say. I was going to get to that because... Especially in February. I make them say they...

I make them say, they say, I can't say it. I say, say you like that, nigga, dick. They're like, no, I can't do it. I said, give you permission. Then they say it. And I said, who told you to say that? You can't say that. You can't say that.

You can't say that. You told me to say it. I'm serious. I'll play audio next time, because I keep on tape. But back to the game, I do. Back to the game.

I got audio. The black team can never lose because it's during Black History Month. Imagine you lose to some white people. Basketball players during Black History Month. It'll be all bad. I think this is a great idea, but I think this would trickle into the public

to where we beat y'all naked. It's like regular people. And that shit would trickle into being a problem outside of the NBA because it'll be all year white people on the basketball court if they beat the black people talking shit. I'm not being funny, this is dead serious. I remember when Lynn Sandy was going on, Jeremy Lynn was doing good for the Knicks,

and I go to 25-hour fitness, so I would go to the gym after the games would go off, you know, just exercise at midnight. and the basketball was flooded with a lot of Asian people because he's inspiring them. You know what I'm saying? I'm not even being funny about it. I'm talking about that shit was flooded.

His inspiration in the Trace area was amazing to watch. So I don't know. I think it's a great idea, but it needs to be managed correctly if they do that. What do you mean about managed correctly? When I say managed correctly, I'm saying like, I don't know how you get a wrangle on the public

after the game's over. You know what I'm saying? You've seen how that kind of goes even just other sports. Yeah, yeah, like I don't know how that goes because, listen, like you said, murder, if the white people win, that's all year till next all-star.

That bragging whites. That shit may lead to shit in the summertime. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's like when Trump, I don't know, not Trump, but it's like when Obama first became president. You believe black people could do it? anything. It changed the narrative. So the same way, if they were to win that basketball game,

it'll have people think in a certain way. Yeah, the fans would be out of control. So real quick, before I move on, because I know that he gave his white boy team, but collaboratively, I'm just curious on who would be y'all's white boy team that you think could even put up a fight. I think they picked some good white boys. I think other than, what's his name? that play on Houston. How you say it's like? Sagoon? They had Sagoond and now they got a different team.

So you would do, basically like you would do Luka, Joker, Flagg. Sagan. Reves and Sengoon? Yeah. Okay. That's a different team. I got Cooper, Flagg, Luca, and the Joker and I have to do the homework on everybody else. Everybody else.

Yeah. They got to figure out. Yeah, I got to, I'm not just going to throw you in there because you white. because there might be some white people that we're overlooking. So those three. So Tyler Hero, like, you know, if even that, it's not even. They're not going to work. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Let me figure out exactly who going to get in their bag. Like, I like Caruso, I like Tala Hero, but to beat the blacks. It's like we are not intimidated, unfortunately. Yeah, exactly, yeah. Yeah, Segoon been doing work. Oh, yeah. and last year. Yeah.

You're averaging like 20 so then. Yeah. We'll have to reconvene because I am curious on who you guys is team with because that is a good point. It's like who's going to be a threat? Who's going to scare the black people? And that's a great question right there in itself. Then you got certain white people who say they're not white too. Yeah, I was about to ask you Clay White, but Clay is not white.

Yeah, because some people are like, yeah, I'm so and so I'm not, I'm Italian, I'm not white. They'll say that. I've heard that too. Yeah, me too. I don't pay to each their own. Yeah, and what's buddy name on Utah? He would be a good, a good play on that team, Utah Jazz. We're pulling them up right now.

Lorry, Lori? Yeah, he get busy. Nice. Okay, well. And they would be in trouble. Yeah. They would kind of be in trouble. Yeah.

Even though I promise you, the black team still isn't scared. But, you know, you never know. That's why it would be an interesting thing to see. I think a lot of people definitely would tune in, of course, to Cam's Way. Saguna and Joko would be crazy in the front court. I'm not going to lie to you. That would be a crazy front court. It's just the only person I don't know yet about is flag in his experience.

The other areas would be a real problem. Yeah, just need some time. Okay, so also speaking about that weekend, so Damien Lillard is headlining the three-point contest, despite recovering from a torn Achilles. So Mace, do you see his participation as harmless or do you think maybe it shouldn't be considered? What are your thoughts on that?

I would like to see Damon Lillet just focus on getting back to game time, dame time, you know, like whatever he could do to get back to dame time, that's what he should do. If this All-Star weekend and him playing in the All-Star, not playing an All-Star, but shoot, in the three-point contest is going to make him take a step to that direction. That's what he should do. But other than that, I don't really want to see anything else from Dame

other than him get back to that place. Because he was such a prolific scorer and such a great player. It just seemed, I don't like to see him dwindle so fast. Yeah, it just goes to show to where All-Star is at. It used to be you had to shoot a certain amount of threes of season or make a certain amount of threes a season to even participate in this competition. And now they just dragging niggas off injured reserve.

Like, yo, fuck it this shit, not and down. You're free, you're almost better? You can walk, right? I mean, you could probably shoot. Let's, fuck it, come fuck with us. That's what I'm getting. It's just a wild-wow west with the All-Star. Like, the shit is just, you know,

even when we was talking about the take the topic we just had before this with Black versus White, You have all these shows and analysts and people saying, what can be done to fix All-Star Weekend because All-Star Weekend was such a fucking big deal. It was like a really, really big deal. And now it's just like kibbles and bits. Just grabbing niggas, pause that's been hurt for three-point contests.

USA versus the world, we don't know. But then at the same time, LeBron ain't starting. But then you got niggas who made first team and second team that's from America and not America. but it's just a mess. It's a mess, man. Dame, that's my brother. I fuck with Dame.

But I'm just saying by NBA All-Star Weekend Standards, this is not how it was supposed to go. But I think this, maybe Dame is looking at it like this. Maybe it's part of his comeback or recovery process. If he looks good, All-Star weekend or looks good in a three-point contest, maybe this may mentally help him get back on the floor quicker as far as injury reserve.

I think it's kind of a good touch to see where he's at, even though you don't have to move to full speed of an NBA game, but maybe he's saying, let me see where I'm at in some horse, because it's like horse,

pause, competition. I don't know, I'm just trying to make up shit for niggas. You know what I'm saying? To make it sound better. I really don't know because I've never seen it before. I don't know how a nigga will come

off injured reserve and you just throw them in a three-point contest. My thing is this, who else is in the three-point contest? three-point contest. That's how bad it is. They need a name. We don't know who else is even in the shit.

Yeah, that's... How is Dame Lillett, the only name that we're talking about that three-point contest, and he hasn't even played all season. It says, Devin Booker, Canaple, Damian Lillard, Maxie, Donovan Mitchell, Jamal Murray,

Bobby Porter, is Norman Powell. That's some good-ass names, man. That's really good names, man. So I don't even know why Damian Lillard, unless Dame wants to do this. but it sounds like some really decent names that's going to be in the All-Star I mean in the All-Star three-point contest

I like that lineup actually more niggas part that should be more exciting than the dunk contest because we can't get anybody we know ever in the dunk contest Fair Okay so I know how you were saying All-Star used to be like a really, really big deal

and you guys have talked about just various sporting events like even like fight nights and those weekends and things like that that used to be super lit Do you guys feel like there is a sporting event like that nowadays? Or do you just feel like as a whole, a lot of things have died down when it would be Super Bowl, All-Star fight weekends, things like that? I think the right fight is definitely a lit weekend.

Anytime Javante is fighting, I think his weekends were starting to get to that Floyd level. And I would love to see him get back, you know, fighting. And so shout out to Javonte, hopefully get everything. off the, I mean, outside of the boxing ring together. But another event I saw in New York one time, they had the one-on-one, they had a one-on-one game for like a hundred bands. You saw that?

Y'all saw that? Yeah. That one-on-one game was fire. It was fire. Everybody, not everybody, but a lot of people came out for it. You know, you could just only imagine, niggas playing full court,

one-on-one for a hundred racks. It was a good thing. That's the last time I saw a lot of excitement on the court for people getting some money. As far as events that people that you say like used to be lit. Yeah. Mike Irvin just was already complaining how motherfucking Super Bowl week was wet. Yeah.

He said it's trash. We kept complaining about NBA All-Star Weekend Cool. I think the Mace is right as far as Tate was on the way to get into those weekends. But it's still, and I'm not saying he can't still get there, but it wasn't Floyd weekends. It wasn't Mike Tyson weekends. You know, and I don't think he had that, you know, he's doing a lot of fighting in New York, too, which is different in Vegas. Like, when Floyd fights or Mike Tyson used to fight, people don't even know who they fighting.

They don't even know when the fight is. All you used to be, like, you could be in New York or Jersey or fucking Florida. They'd be like, yo, Floyd fight. Floyd fighting won't 22nd? Book the flight. They don't know nothing else. Yeah. Nothing else.

Get the rooms. Yeah, that's all you know. Noggin' ain't even coming out to everything. That's all you know. And I don't know where that's at anymore. Maybe people may do that for rap concerts. Like I've been to future concert recently, and it was dope. You know, maybe music, as far as sporting events, something every year.

Like, niggas was mad at the championship last year. Yeah. I don't know. That's a great question, stack, because what is sports-related? that used to be lit that is still lit today. And I don't know. Yeah, Mike Tyson definitely was one of those because it wouldn't matter the way he was fighting.

I know with Floyd, it was always in Vegas. So it built that morale as you kept going. But Mike Tyson, it could be in Tokyo. Mike fighting in Atlantic City next time he's fighting in Vegas. He's fighting in the garden. It don't matter where Mike was at. people were coming. So that's the last thing I saw like that. It seemed like if you step outside of sports, the last thing that was kind of like that, I think was the Breezy Bowl, you know,

either the Breezy Bowl or NBA Young Boy. I was surprised all of the people that wasn't in that demographics that was going out to NBA Young Boy concert. So shout out to him. It seemed like he was able to bring him out. Yeah. Young boy, first of all, like the vibes of his concert are good. Even if that's not something that you typically used to, people are going to show up because they know that the energy of the crowd, all that stuff takes apart into his concert.

Then Chris Brown is just an overall great performer. So I feel like that's also why a lot of people popped out for that. But I was just curious because y'all was talking about like, this used to be lit and that used to be lit. So I'm like, what makes y'all excited to go at 10? And it doesn't really seem like there is anything like that. And I know you brought up Michael Irvin's Super Bowl weekend. And I'm also wondering if it's something that's like, you guys have done everything and seen the highest of the highest.

So at this point, it's like, this doesn't phase me. Because for me, like when I see a Super Bowl weekend, I've never got to attend a Super Bowl before because that was never something that I even thought would be within reach. So I'm excited. But I think the only downside to that was also be location. It's nothing against Sam. Because I love being in San Francisco and I love Oakland. But the logistics, everything's far. You got to go from SF to Oakland.

And then to Santa Clara, like, everything's so spread out. So if you don't know the city like that, it's kind of hard to navigate. But I could definitely see why for y'all, you're like, we already did it all. So at this point, what's new? I mean, like I said, that's a great question because what has you, like, for instance, right? We talked about it. Like, your first president, not talking about when you was born, but the first president, you know, is black, is barraught that you know about. So when niggas be like,

yo, we got a black president, you're like, yeah, just fucking. Started off with a black neck president. You get what I'm saying? So just see, it's about how you grew up. It's different shit, you know what I'm saying? It ain't like, for us, we don't see Jesse Jackson and Alist Charlton

and all these niggas charles. And they're like, niggas never going to get a black president. Then when you get one, you see niggins on $120,000, crying and all that shit, but you're like probably five, six, seven, eight years old. You're like, yo, I don't know,

This ain't the way it's supposed to be. Nah. But you grew up, you didn't get to see that. So I get what you're saying. This is my first word. Y'all ain't going to be a Debbie downer for me. Yeah, that's exactly how I felt. I'm like, dang it having a good time.

Everybody's like, man, this is why I get. It used to be like this. I used to offer this. I'm like, I'm just happy to be here. I just think that technology, to be honest, which ruins a lot of things. And I, you can say ruins or don't ruin, whatever. It just makes people lazier to me.

Like, you can watch the game on your phone. You don't even have to be home no more. Or just period, just everything is like, I don't even go to a grocery store. I'm using it to where I'm lazy sometimes. All that shit just come to my crib. But I think that a lot of it, just during the pandemic, people got so used to learn,

learned how to depend on technology or to learn how to social distance or learned how to not have to go out. That post-pandemic, a lot of shit to me is like blah. Because you didn't have to go nowhere during the pandemic. I remember, like, my mom or older people, they always went to the grocery store.

Then you couldn't because it was COVID. Then you learned how to work the apps and everything. When the pandemic was over, you're used to using them shits. And then it becomes lazy shit, my opinion. Yeah, I think the social, what I love about social media is that, You can't control the narrative like you used to. Like, you used to get away with a lot.

You can't get away with it like you used to. It just seems like even people that had control over things, they don't have that control no more because it's like you could just, somebody can come on the internet and just expose everything, like right away. It won't take like 10 years like it used to 15 years. No, right now, today you better act right. they'll press that button. And I like that concept.

It's true. It's pros and cons to it. That's what I think. Okay, so a Super Bowl ring or a Redding wing, we will discuss after the break. A Super Bowl ring or a wedding ring? That's not even comparable. She called his thing about toxic.

Isn't counting. Got you feeling like that. Welcome Maybe I'm my own problem, babe She's tired of hearing I don't know What's stubborn in me won't fall Oh, oh, call trust

But she really thinking about She wanted to walk away I wish somebody told me the rules Disagreements let her win And it's cool Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog picks of the day. Tonight, the Mazz will play the Lakers,

Underdog has Austin Reeves at 22 and a half points. Do you have them higher, lower, Mason? Who do they play again? The Mavs. You should have higher. It's the Mives, man. Hi. Okay, LeBron James is at 22.5 points.

Do you have higher lower Kim? Lower. LeBron James, 25? 22 and a half point. Lower. Okay, and a PJ Washington's at 21.5 points. rebounds and assists, higher Laura Mace. PJ got to have higher, man.

PJ been going through a lot. Shout out to PJ, man. We need PJ to play well, man. We'll go lower. Okay. Make sure y'all down on the underdog app and you can make your picks too. So in a little interview series,

Russell Wilson was asked by Sierra in a game, what was more important to him, his Super Bowl ring or his Redding ring? So this is the first time I've ever heard Russ cuss. He said, y'all fucked up for this and he actually declined to answer and didn't take it. So, Mace, I'm asking you, what would you choose? And if we're going to do music, I guess you could do life. I guess Russ might be a nigger after all.

Russ didn't answer it. Yeah, you did not. He could have said wet and ring, but Russ, he might have a little nigger and pause, you know. After all, what's the question? Yeah, so, because I mean, obviously you're not a football player. So I'm thinking like Super Bowl ring, wedding ring, maybe like Grammy wedding ring? I don't think that's comparable. I thought that was a horrible question.

Especially for a person that's in it, like if a person that's not in it, then they're basically going to say that. I don't think people value rings, wedding rings. I don't think people value them. I don't really think I mean it's not like they matter to everybody it's not like because you have a ring on people are not going to say stuff to you but I don't think people value the ring

so I think that was a horrible question whoever asked it you need to put more thoughts into your questions that was a horrible question so basically you would have chose the Super Bowl you feel like it's not the same value I know I'm saying

if you're married then you're going to say the wedding If you're not, you're going to say the Super Bowl. It depends. It depends. To every single person, this is like a weird question. I think it's an interesting question, but, Cam. He ain't answer it because he's trying to get a job. Nigger, the nigger say what,

and they make me like this exactly why we can't hire this, nigga. Putting this girl before everything, and that's why his career dwindled there. Sierra, I'll fuck with Sierra. I don't know like that, maybe. Shit ain't been going right since. Since he got one of the shit, I haven't been going down here.

And be like that sometimes. Sometimes you got to get people out your life if you want to do better in your career. But if you financially stable, then this is what makes you happy. Okay. That's what you. I almost gave up.

I almost took my last $200,000 in 1999 and said, fuck, I'm just go buy towns in Delaware and get a job. That's crazy. That's crazy. There's been no difference, bro. Exactly.

It'd have been no, that's crazy. And that's why you got to, that's why God got to be with the right person. Like, sometimes people think, like, we could like whoever we like, right? But if a nigga don't succeed since she's been there, man, I can't say it's good. I just can't.

Not with everything I know. Yeah, and then they try to make you do shit that. They want to do. Yeah, you don't really want to. Yeah, you don't really want to. want to do it, bro. When you met me, you knew the nigga I was. Why you want to change me from the nigga that you liked?

Now we live in like we are protective custody. Like we fucking, what's the shit? When they moved a new time. Witness protection. Yeah, now we're in a minivan. You know, gross now, man. Look, I'm not saying that's Russell Wilson. But I think he really wanted to say wedding ring.

But he knows his career. He's still playing, and he knows that he wants to get a job. I think if he would have said wedding ring and that Super Bowl ring, owners and teams would have looked at him like, this is what you value more. I'm not saying he shouldn't value him more. But I think he didn't answer the question. You know, he's trying to get a job.

To his defense, he should value his family more. But this is like such a falloff. It makes it look weird. that even for women, I'd be like, oh, Russell Wilson, like, I don't know if that's really good to have that much decline after you, after you meet a woman, because then they won't give her that credit. They definitely, a woman ain't going to give her that credit. Bill Belichick is doing, decline is crazy.

She's the decline is crazy. I mean, maybe she was down with the Patriots, but since she came to the forefront, the decline is on, he ain't even make it to the Hall of Fame. And stats going to take up for him. I'm waiting to hear My brain is like turning as you guys are talking Because that's male or female

If you're if you're female You have star acting roles You were you you have major sponsors And then you get with this guy And everybody think this guy is good for you Right he's different He had this other value to you But now everything you're doing

And acting is plummet Everything you're doing when it comes The branding goes down Is he still a good fit? So you're trying to say Imal Shumper wasn't a good fit for Tiana Taylor? Basically. If she goes down with you, I don't care who it is. If somebody goes down, pause, with you constantly around, then it's you.

I don't care. No, I don't think, Imor Shepard, that's my nigga, too shot to Imma, and Tion, that's my sister. But it just seemed like, and it just seems like I don't know y'all guys, business y'all. I love both for y'all. But it seemed like the glow I've been crazy since the breakup for Tiana. But maybe she could have taken his energy.

He was doing well. Yeah, this is true. Maybe that's why right? I ain't saying this about Tiana. You know Tiana run up or you. Yeah, she will. She'll curse you. She'll cut out. Tia. She'll definitely. What you was talking about, niggins. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Fuck I look like taking the nigger energy. I look like what? Yeah. Yeah. I'm the nigga energy now? Yeah, yeah. Let me talk to you. That's a whole fact. Shout out to your honor. Yeah, watch your mouth.

Yeah, that's a fact. And I'm not saying that they could be the best of friends. I'm just talking from outside looking in. It looked like the gloves while. Listen, a war she won't know. She got a Golden Globe. Yeah, that's the shit that people fight their whole life for them to try and get one. Will Smith only got one of them joints.

My acting since the 90s. Yeah, that's fire. Super fire. Shout out to both you are. You know what I'm a nigga? It's a thing piece. Just thinking. I'm just saying because listen,

usually we're putting it the reverse way the girl are bringing a guy there. Yeah. So we're just putting the shoe and off the foot. I hope y'all are still getting along and still friends and so forth. And great co-parenting and all. Right, absolutely.

But we're just talking about the concept. Back to the concept, right? If a woman is declining with a guy around, but he's famous, he's lit. Does that make them a good person for the woman? He's famous. He got a lot of followers. So my answer is I think it depends on what your angle is.

Because I know you guys brought up in Pima, but then she was also publicly in a relationship with Aaron Pierre. And if her and obviously big shout out to her because she's defying all the odds and do all those things. Let's take them out of the concept. Yeah. But I'm just also putting that in there for the discussion. I think it depends on, and I kind of have to use names to give examples of. really depends on what your end goal is.

Like if you know, like, I want to do these other things and you feel as if this person's holding your back, you're allowed to go do those other things. But then in Russell Wilson's case, I truly think that he's fulfilled because I know you guys are like equating to success as what, like what's happening post. I can't say post career because he's obviously still at the end of his career. What's happening now versus what happened earlier? I don't think that makes him not successful. I just think that he's valuing family more.

And I don't think that that means that he's not successful. I just think that that's what he wants right now at this point in time of his life. He has a good family. He has a loving wife. He's made a lot of money. He already has his ring. So it's like, what else should he be trying to go for? I really do think when it comes to like women and men, the way they differ is because if a woman is on a decline, a guy can still hold her down.

If a guy starts declining, a woman may think she needs. needs to move on and be with somebody better. I think, and I know you're going to be like, stat, you know what I see? I do think it goes both ways too, though, like, because it depends on what that person is doing. We see. We see. Let me kick out of football league and two financial things happen. We see.

Do you value your wedding ring? Huh? Do you value your wedding ring? And not if I bought them. Not if you bought them. Yeah. Because you have several rings. You got mad-wanting rings.

I like them because they match my watch. No, you do, that's what I'm saying. You're very coordinated with your rings. Your rings are coordinated. But why don't you value them if you bought them because you still wear them every day? Some type of value to you because you still wear it. I think it's more about the commitment than a ring. but I know some people don't even wear a ring.

But you're not to some people. I'm talking to you. Like, you wear the ring every day, but different rings. You match your ring up. But you're saying you don't value it. Yeah, I don't value it as much as other people do. Right. But you, because you bought them?

If it was given to you, you would value it more? No, if it was the original, if it was the original ring, then I value it more. The one that you did the ceremony in that one, I value more than the other ones. Gotcha. Because the other ring could be anything. It could be like a Van Cleef ring or something else.

That's not really a wedding ring, which you're wearing it as a wedding ring. So you wear yours to let girls know you taking? That's what are you with every day if it doesn't mean the value? That's why I said. It's not that much value because it doesn't, not to just to me, it don't seem like people value it. I'm talking to, I'm not going people, you wear it every day. You wear every day, different ones, they match up. And it don't got no value, but you match in your shit, you fly with it.

Yeah. But it's not on a different finger. It's every day, it's on the same finger. Every day, different rings. What does that represent that you, like, I can't talk to you? I can't take pictures in the hotel. What does it represent to you wearing the wedding ring? If you wear it, if it's every day.

It values, it means 60% in California. Okay. 50% in New York. Okay. I'm much in Georgia. So you got to value it. Those are great... No, it didn't.

Those are great questions. Yes. I think you could value the relationship without value in the ring as much. Like, I really think it boils down to the ceremonial ring. Any other ring is kind of like a replacement. It doesn't necessarily mean the same thing. That's why I say I don't value it as much.

Do you, with your marriage, did you have to do paperwork? Not like pre-number. I'm just sort of like sign to be married and all that. I see, I swear I'm out. I ain't got to talk. I can't do a contract. Yeah, no. No.

What kind of love is this? Not saying you, I love you and your family wife. I'm just talking about me like, yo, I got love on the table. Like, yo, we ought to go to a meeting for love. Like, I can't do it, man. I think that's like the big misunderstanding, right? Tell me about it, man. So when you think about marriage, right, people think of it like a contract, right?

But it's not like a contract. Like it's more like a covenant. And a covenant is different than a contract. A contract is broken because... Explain covenant. All right. So covenant can't be broken because me and you agree to break the covenant, right? And this is why most people either stay married or don't stay married because they view it as a contract.

When you think of a contract, if I don't like what's going on, you don't like what's going on, we could break that covenant. I mean, we could break that contract. A covenant is not a contract. A covenant is a bonding agreement between two parties that are willing to die before they break it. Okay. That's what makes it different than a contract. So when people get married, that's the. pretense they're supposed to get married under, but people don't get to the die for it.

That's why they say for better for worse. Right. But people leave when it's worse. Or rich or and poor. Right. But people leave when they're worse. Or it's sickness on health. But people leave when somebody's sick.

They'd be like that nigger crazy. So he's sick. Right. The whole thing is, why say all that and that niggas still leave? Exactly. That's what I'm saying. I talked to a female who recently got married. I said, how's the marriage going?

She said just getting on his nerves more because I know he can't go nowhere. Like, yeah. Like, yeah. Where it's shoes. Yeah. There's a lot of bad representation when it come to it because people don't understand. They like the dress or they like the outfit or they like the wedding per se, but they don't understand what the real covenant is about.

So it's like, it's almost, and I don't want to compare it to a gang, but it's like if you're in a gang, you're in that gang until you die. You're not in that gang until things go wrong. You're saying this is the group I'm going to be with. And rain sleigh the snow, this is what I'm going to represent. And whatever goes wrong when it comes right, it got to come right back to this. There we go. And that's how it should be viewed because I personally think people would be getting married a little too easy,

but also maybe I could say that because I'm younger. But that's what I believe. I've had a good representation of that. So that's my thoughts. Your parents were my, right? Yeah, over 20 years. That's deep. Yeah, but the thing about it is, like, you know,

and that's, like, that's perfect because you know your partner, y'all cool. Like, you know, like, it's hard to find somebody that's going to like, like the Sopranos and Wu tank. They may want to watch porn with you. Every time you say that killer, there's girls that be like, Tell killer, I like Wu-Tain. Literally.

And soprano. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. One young lady came to the show, she was like, take me back up there. I want to speak to camp. Yeah, when I say that, that's just an exaggeration. That's like 3% of it. I just used that example. What's the other 90s?

Like, sometimes I got pimple on my bag. I want you to pop my shit from me. I got a little, it's like I got a lot of shit going on, murder. No, there's the list. I'm going to come with the list. I come with the list. Like, yo,

No, his list is going to be crazy. It is. I'm going to come with the list. I'm going to write it down. At least 10 things. Because I'll ask the girl because it's probably like shit that I'm not thinking about that I like that they know I like that. I probably don't pay attention to.

Shit that they do. that I asked for that I'm not even paying attention to. You know, I can't even say my nigger name. My nigger, he got with his girl because she picked his dandruff and let him know when he got dandruff. So that's that show she rarely cared, man. I can't even say my young nigger name, but I'm just saying. It's a lot of things, man.

You got habits that you probably don't know your wife know. That she'd be like, this thing you don't even know. let me make sure this is done for this nigger. And then when it's not done, you'd be like, yo, you didn't ask for it, but you're anticipating it to be there. That's how you know your partner. I remember God bless his dad, my girlfriend, shout to my girlfriend, Tawasa.

We'd be arguing on the phone, and I get there, and it'll be a blunt rolled up on a pillow and a bottle of jinkin. and she was like, yo, let's smoke and fuck because I ain't got time to be arguing with you. But that's somebody

who knows your character. You have to get somebody that actually knows you and not want to fight and disagree with you. And then especially when you're somebody like Mason myself, when I say that, more like,

we ain't, I don't know like your relationship as well as you do, but I can imagine just growing up with you that as far as being like, yo, I can't go back and forth. I'm right. And I know I'm right.

Yeah. She lets me be right till I figure out I'm wrong. See, that's what you need. Yeah. I'm not going to be told wrong. I'm wrong right then and there without paying the bills that. Let me figure out, I like that. Let me figure out I'm wrong on my own and apologize later.

Yeah. That's what I'm talking about right there. Don't tell me I'm wrong right now. Let me figure it out in two days and be like y'all was bugging. I like that. Yeah. So, before you wrap, because I do, like now I'm curious on what you guys would choose tonight. Like I said, I know you guys aren't athletes and specifically Cam, because you basically answered the question.

If you had to choose between like your dream girl, the love of your life, like your partner for life versus like taking back, I guess like going platinum, right? Which one would you choose? I got my dream girl because I went platinum That's how you're going to get it You don't get your dream girl When you don't go platinum What are you getting these questions I'm gonna make sense

You end up settling when you don't go platinum This is why I ain't got my girl yet Because I'm not settling yet You know I sold like 10 million records, bitch what you're going to bring to the table? So that question, I wouldn't take my records back because I don't know if I would have been happy with who I would have to settle with.

I'm not talking about old old girl's like, oh, you and I'm just saying, I don't know. Did you settle for me? Yeah, I want no disrespect to anybody I used to day. I'm just saying I wouldn't have got a chance to see the world and meet a bunch of different people to figure out that it's a bigger world outside of. of Harlem or New York in general period.

Good answer. Good food for thought. In the comments down below, let me know what you guys think the equivalent would be because I was trying to find something, but the comments might have something better. But that is all the time that we have for today. Thank y'all for watching.

And as always, it is what it is.