IT IS WHAT IT IS - AFFAIR GATE: NFL REPORTER DIANNA RUSSINI & MIKE VRABEL GETTIN' COZY IN ARIZONA!

Episode Date: April 9, 2026

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What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to It Is, where it is. I'm your host today and moderator. Moderator with a D. I've been corrected. I've been saying moderator for the last 40-something years. I've been corrected that I'm not a moderator. I'm a moderator.

So you have moderator Cameron today. I'm with my partner, my man, Mason. Today we're joined with Trista. Tris was good. Trish, what's going on? How you doing? Hey. I'm good. I saw that Mace put on the glasses. He was deciding the last time I saw him.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I'm working on a few things. You know, I'm trying to clean it up a little bit. I thought you was cleaned up already. How clean you trying to be? A little sponge here, a little sponge. I like that. The jewelry got something to do with? I didn't see that chain before. What's that new? That's nice, man. I like that. Hey, man, I don't know. Okay.

Tris, how have you been, man? What's been going on with you? Oh, just nothing. I can't wait to see y'all next week, though. Yeah. I'm excited to see you live and in 3D. Yeah, it's been a little minute for those that don't know. Now you do know, Trish will be in studio next week

with us. It's always fun when you're on the show, but in studio, it's even better. But you got to have a new rap ready when you get here, please. It's part of it's part of it. My then? Yeah, I mean, you're coming on the set. Listen, you're coming on set. Not only that, it doesn't have to be the first day. You actually have a whole week to prepare this. A weekend a day, actually. You should have a new freestyle, but people like your freestyle, Tris. I appreciate that. I was just trying to to do my best. It was truly a one of a kind moment for me. And I was talking about this, but Mace couldn't hear me before the show started, not to tell everybody what was going on behind the scenes. But like, he was literally, because, you know, I think we all, musical people,

you guys are on a different level than me. You sing when you're doing stuff. And Mace was like, Trista. And I'm like, if it's 1998, if you had told me one of my legend icon, role models in the business would be singing my name before a show. I would have said, you're just lying. So I'm just happy to be here, happy to contribute however I can. You might need to use it for your intro. Yeah. Well, Tris, before you answer that, let me just say thank you because we know he just can't.

He just can't say it. Thank you, Trish. He said for a bit, all by half of four. Thank you, man. And I know you was talking about him, but I'm going to step in and say thank me for him. I told him I got to watch him sometimes. You're trying to clean it up.

Are you trying to clean it up? He's going through a re-brand, and he's still figuring out the kinks of the re-brand. Yes, there it is, man. Look, we're going to start today's show with the return of Kay Cunningham. Sorry, Sid. Oh, yeah. Kay Cunningham was back last night

as the Detroit Pistons beat the Milwaukee Bucks 137 to 111. Cade actually played 26 minutes, scored 13 points. We'll start with Tris. Tris, what do you think of Kay's performance last night and what this means for Detroit moving forward in the playoffs? He came back fucking fast.

I thought it was going to be maybe midway through the first round. A collapsed lung is no joke. I mean, the news kind of took a lot of us by surprise. I thought I didn't think he would. was supposed to be back this early. You know, you smack Milwaukee. You get an easy game to get out of the slump. They don't put you on a heavy minutes.

You have get back into rhythm. He looked like he was back to being himself. And I tell you what, for those who were hoping to see Detroit in the first round, it's over. Like Detroit, I know that people think I'm a Detroit Pistons Hater, but like with Cade Back Healthy, I think that changes everything for the East and really kind of makes things hard for the Knicks, who I think at some point thought,

oh, maybe it's an easy road facing Detroit if we can get to the four spot. We'll play the Hawks, and then we can maybe face the pistons in the second round. Yeah, I'm looking at the highlights. It just looked like it was the way he was getting baskets, right? It's not just he had 13 in that short period of time. It's the way he was getting the baskets.

Paul, they looked like the same baskets he was getting before. He was changing paces. He was posting people up. You know, he was throwing alley-oops. It just looked, it was a bad sign for the New York Knicks. If you're a New York fan, this is like the worst news you've gotten in a long time. And I think, like you said, whoever was thinking they was getting Detroit first round without K is really rethinking that story. Yeah, let me chime in.

Sorry, sin. You know, I spoke to sin yesterday morning, right? And I told him, listen, because they're a game ahead of Cleveland, at least yesterday they were. And I say, y'all might want to finish in fourth place because they're in third now. Talking about the New York Knicks, everybody. Because then you could play Detroit without Kay Cunningham. And then I seen Kay come back. So I called them back.

I said, maybe y'all should stay in third and deal with Boston. If, you know, if everybody goes to the second round, one through four, I'm assuming. And he got an attitude with me. He got an attitude with me and said, Jalen Brunson is, Jaylen Brunson. Jailen Brunson is a superstar, no doubt about it. But this year, the Knicks have lost three times to the Detroit Pistons by average of 25 points.

The last game, K played it, was 42 points in the garden. And when you come to the garden, it's a big deal. Players don't take it as serious as they once did. Michael George, the LeBron James, the Steph Curry's, Kobe Bryant. It's a big deal to come play a Master Square Garden. And Kay took it like it was a big deal. I don't know who the Knicks should face

to the second round, but Sisson wants credit for them to win if they win as well. And I'm like, Sennon, the Knicks get no credit for nobody this year. We picked the Knicks to go to the championship at the beginning of the season. And they've been looking subpar. I actually see my brother Stephen A. Smith say

that they should get rid of everybody if they could get Yonis, except for Jalen Brunson. And I'm like, God, they said they were I have a play with two niggas, fours, against five. They have anybody left for the Knicks. But I think this is great for Detroit. I think Detroit was really, really doing good before Kate even came back. They finished nine and two with him out.

And now him getting up for the playoffs, Detroit looks like a team to beat. Mace, let me ask you this. How impressed, and I ask you this two trips, I will start with Mace. How impressed are you? because that's what sin brings up to. So I'll start with you. How impressed are you the turnaround from Detroit? We were just making jokes about how tickets for 32 cents.

You would get free chicken wings. Free chicken wings. They scored 100 points, et cetera, et cetera. For them to go from that a year ago to where they're at today, how impressed are you? I'm extremely impressed by what they're able to do in Detroit, right? it lends to the to the morale of that city like every year it could be a different thing like right now it's a no fly zone in detroit they're not letting new york come through there and do whatever they

want to do and i like it you know i'm very impressed by this because that mean this is the same thing we saw happen in charlotte with their with their team in football right they just turned around in one year and when you can go from the very bottom of a league to the very top of it that's speaks volumes to the personnel and it speaks volumes about the coaching. Tris, how about you? Yeah, I think Mace is totally right. I totally agree. Not only is that a testament to getting a new front office, right?

And Trajan Langdon comes in and he makes a bunch of changes, goes out and gets older role players to surround Cade with, which I think, at least I, was kind of not seeing that vision. Like, why go out and get Tobias Harris and you got Malik Beasley and you trade for Dennis Schrooter? And it's like, how much is that going to really change how this team operates? And it really did. Like, it sort of grew them all up as a culture. And I think it's for fans who have a team that they love that have been in the dumps for a long time or mediocre for a long time.

And we'll talk like the Chicago firing their whole front on. office just happened. If you get the right people in the building and then get the right coach, right front office, right coach. And both of those have to be correct. You can really transform your team pretty much in two years. If you at least have your marquee player and you find a way to surround them with pieces that maximize who they are. Like this team had the longest losing streak in NBA history. 14 games, I think they won that year. To be that two years ago to number one in the East now and a real problem and a real threat and a team that's a contender with an identity, that bad boy's identity, I think that shows you that if you're a fan of a team that

hasn't done shit for a long time, and now we're seeing that with Charlotte when they sold the team and Charles Lee comes in and a new ownership comes in, like now they've sort of found a way to be almost like a little bit of a Detroit Pistons-esque team in terms of going from the basement to now an eight seed and now who knows what they can be next year. Like that just goes to show you you're only a couple of good decisions away. Got you. Now, I'll ask one more question pertaining to this a little bit, but kind of not pertain to this. James Harding is with Cleveland.

Jalen Brunson is with the next K. Cunningham. we see, of course, is with Detroit. Who is the best point guard in the East Coast right now? Two-part question. Who's the best point guard in the East Coast right now in the Eastern Conference? And who do you trust more going to the playoffs

and going into the playoffs with those three players? Trish will start with you. Oh, that's such a good question. Cade, Brunson, Hardin. I think you have to put Hardin at the lowest. level. And Hardin is obviously a phenomenal talent, a pure score, an automatic bucket, great court vision, the offensive flows a lot better in Cleveland with him there. But I don't trust him in a playoff situation. We've already seen the way that he gets made fun of and it's for a reason.

You don't just get that, oh, playoff or game seven Hardin and like that doesn't come out of nowhere, right? I think I trust Jalen Brunson's sloth. slightly more just because he's gone further in the playoffs with the Knicks than Cade has. Cade's got to get out of the first round. I got to see some big-time playoff performances from him. You know, playing well at the garden is great and nice and beating the Knicks is awesome in the regular season. I need to see this happen in the postseason. Wow, I was going to almost agree with you all the way through,

but it seemed like at the end you took a little turn that, you know, that put us on different roles. I would say that first take, I'm going with Cade first. I'm going with Brunson, second, and I'm going with James Harden, third. When we're talking about the best playing guards in the east, that's the level I'm going. One, two, three. I'm going one. And Cade, I'm going two, and Brunson. And number three, I'm going with James Harden. For those same reasons, even when it comes to the playoffs. Because, you know, James Harden have this tendency to vanish. and he's been in Cleveland, I think he's closer to Atlanta. So I don't know if little baby call him if he's not going to go to the playoff game.

I don't trust it yet until he shows me differently. And then when it comes to the playoffs, even though I haven't seen Cade, I'm always going to go with a bigger guard over a smaller guard when it comes to the playoffs. It's just been proven that you hardly ever win with smaller guards in the national basketball. league, not on the bigger levels. That's why you see SGA, you see Sam Cassell. I mean, you just go back as far as you

can remember Magic Johnson, Kobe, Brian, you know, when it comes to those big wings, it's going to be hard to win those games. Other than Isaiah Thomas, I think Brunson can add himself to that legacy, but he's going to have his work cut out for him.

It's just the numbers. I just thought of this question, and I wish I could have a tiebreaker, because I'm agree with y'all at number three but i'm torn between you guys first pick for the first for the reasons you said yes he's a bigger guard yes he's in bigger guards tend to this is the problem they've been having in the regular season but jaylin brunson does have playoff experience and been to the eastern conference finals a game away from a championship so they're a game away from the championship I can't pick a side on this one.

I'm going to leave it even with you guys. I put them right there with Kevin Johnson with Stockton, all of the great small guards, Mark Price. You can go back as far as you want. They always get right there but never could win it because when those wings start changing a shot and then somebody else get a piece of that shot and then we're running on the break,

it's just even when Iverson wasn't able to do it. And if Iveson wasn't able to do it, I don't think Brunson is going to be able to do it. So, what do you say about that? If Iverson couldn't do it? Well, through the credit, Iverson did make it to the championship. Yeah, he did, but that's what I'm saying.

No, what we're talking, we're on the East Coast, just so we're standing on topic. So Iverson went to the championship. He didn't want it. You're correct. We just stand, I just want to stay in context. You're right.

Yeah. So here we have Iverson, we have Isaiah Thomas, That's how small the audience. But that's what I'm telling you. So we have those two people. Like I said, I'm not going to answer that. That's pretty huge to think about. Pause.

Allison, Tim Hardaway. I could go down the list. You wouldn't, you guys wouldn't put Steph as a smaller guard? Nah. Stuff is 6-3. Like, you said, he's like just a medium guard. No, just that's Chauncy Billop in them. At that height, you get it done.

I hate to say this, but, Only where I would probably go with Brunson is, like he said, the playoff experience. And Cunningham, we don't know how he's going to perform. Yeah, Kyrie. Yeah, but he was Sir Mix a lot. That's a different bag, though. I hope you're not putting Brunson in that Carrey bag. Carre is beating niggins, pause with the left hand.

And I'm going to be honest with you, I'm absolutely sorry, Kyrie for not even bringing you up immediately. Yeah. For real, for real. We're supposed to bring Kyrie up before anybody. Yes, sure makes a lot. No disrespect to Isaiah Thomas because he actually won the championship or Alan Arison, but not to mention Kyrie, absolutely. But yeah, out of this however many 60, 70, 80 years of basketball,

we're talking about three small guards that we remember. Yeah, that really got it done. Because somebody will bring out Bob Coozy. I ain't your heart of all. I know. Tiny archibor. Tiny archibor. Yeah, you ain't had tiny on the list, man.

Shut up. Shout to tiny archibor, too. We're going to keep at Harlem with tiny too. Shout to tiny archibule. But we'll see the playoffs are coming up, and I'm looking forward to all three of these guards because not only that, he's not a big guard either, even though he plays the two guard,

Donovan Mitchell. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So it's going to be a real interesting playoff to watch. with emergence of Atlanta as well. Look, it's going to be, I like the way the East and the West Coast is looking, coming out with the players.

Moving on the book. Wait, but no. I'm sorry, Paul. I think fourth place is not safe because of Atlanta being at fifth. I don't think whoever's in the fourth has a definite way out of the first round because Atlanta is emerging.

They got, again, big wings, you know, and young guys that's trying to make a name and you make your name in the playoffs. So I'm guaranteeing that Atlanta is going to show up in the playoffs. I'm not saying they're going to win it. But they're definitely going to show up. They're not laying down. To your point, like this is a player that may be just developing and blossoming late.

But SGA's cousin, Nikail Alexander Walker, now the leader in the clubhouse to win most improved, he is playing some phenomenal basketball. He has all of the size and the tools and the explosion. He plays defense. He's a bucket. I think that opportunity in Atlanta has really showcased and helped him turn into a player that maybe could be like a little bit of an East Coast SGA. I know that's an early take and probably a little bit of a crazy take. But, yeah, I'm not going to hear Alexander Walker.

I'm not saying he's there yet. He might, though. He's at 21 right now. He's averaging 21. So I see what you're going. Yeah, just give it a little bit of a minute. is just bake, you're one of the baking experience inside of the Atlanta ecosystem. Well, yeah, listen, it's not guaranteed Atlanta is going to be at the number five slot,

neither. I'm looking at, I'm looking at five through eight, and maybe even not, because there's only two games left, three games max. So we are the Atlanta fifth place, but they're only a half a game ahead of Toronto, and then they're only one game ahead of Orlando, and then they're only a game and a half. I had a Philly. This is a team. We have teams that can go from the playing to the guaranteed playoff spot.

This next two, three games are going to be very important for Atlanta, Toronto, Orlando, and Philadelphia. And possibly Charlotte, depending on the schedule. It's going to be real interesting. What do you think about that, Mace?

I'm really sticking with Atlanta to stand there. No matter where they're at. Yeah, I'm sticking with Atlanta. Anybody, running to them fourth and fifth, that's a problem. Because I don't know. I don't know if Cleveland start playing them in Atlanta, and the wings get hot. You know, a Magic City sign.

Come on. I don't know what, you know, what the calves would be like. Well, I'll say this to me. I'm not mad at that assessment. I'm not taking them over Detroit or Boston if they happen to fall into the seven-for-eighth spot. Yeah, not seven-for-eighth. Yeah, so we'll see in the next couple days.

Well, four, fifth is what I'm saying. Right. You think they could beat the Knicks if a three, six spot? Well, that's what I'm saying. I said seventh and eighth. I didn't see it if they come in six and the Knicks finish third. You know, that's like, the next few games are going to be really interesting. Go ahead.

Who would you guys give the, like, edge to right now? Because New York has the pedigree. They've obviously got a really good roster. They've had historical success. but Atlanta has won, I think, like 18 of the last 22 games. I think it's even better than that. They certainly are long, athletic. Like, who would you give the, who would you guys give the edge to in that matchup?

I'm going to go with the Nix purely off experience, but since Kaminga has got to Atlanta, Atlanta has been looking really good. Even the games Kaminga hasn't played. Like May said, the turnaround after the All-Star break has been tremendous. for Atlanta. Will it translate into seven-game series? That's the question.

Yeah. Mace. And some people know each other, right? Some people are not better than the person they're playing against, but they know him. You get what I'm saying? So I think Atlanta has that

understanding about the Knicks. Like, the Knicks is better than Atlanta, flat out better. But you know how you just know somebody? Like, he can't beat you. He probably can beat everybody. everybody else and you don't understand why the Knicks are losing to Atlanta? Because a lot of the guards on Atlanta played against the guards on the NICs.

They know them. They grew up playing against them, beating them, A, you, all of that. So this is nothing new for them. It's a new platform for everybody else. But you know how you're like, and I don't know this. Well, to the Knicks credit, they just beat Atlanta three days ago. By three points. So we'll see what happens moving.

So that was a close game. That's what I'm saying. So at this late in the stage of basketball and they're playing that close, they know they could win that game. If it's a three-point game, you feel like you could have won that game. I'm not going to go that far.

Everybody from New York. I still don't trust y'all. I'm not going to take the Atlanta Hawks over, you guys. I'm not going to do that. But I do love the way Atlanta is. looking, Trits makes some great points, and Mace makes some great points. Yeah, I'm not taking them over the Knicks. I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised, you know?

Nothing surprises you with the next. Like a Chris Rock take, you know? I don't agree with it, but I understand. Yeah, nothing really surprises me with the Knicks, but that I'll be totally done. I'm already totally done. I'm already totally done. Your walk off? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I'll just be it. Because you know why? Because Nick fans will make an excuse. You ain't see the referees Yeah We ain't get no calls In the whole second half Yeah all that happened

Come on man Yes we have to move on though man The bulls they end up firing Everybody in their front office The new owner says though To the media That the new front office Has to keep Billy Donovan

So we'll start with Trish This is my question What's more important The owner or the coach The owner of the coach or the GM or the GM? You're 100% right. Pardon me. I'm new with this.

The GM or the coach because the owner, he can do what the fuck he wants to do. Pardon me, the GM. Well, I always want to make sure I get the question correct. I'm just trying to learn, just like you guys. You guys always find like the correct phrasing that like adds context to the answer. So I want to make sure I had the question correct. You're 100. Thank you for checking me on that because you're right. I meant the GM or the coach. So, like, I think for me it's everything, right? You need synergy. But if I'm a GM, I need power.

And I need to feel like if this coach isn't doing what I want them to do or if I don't think they're very good at what they're doing, I can't fire them. I have to just roll with Billy Donovan. This is the same organization that it was leaked that they're going after Sam Presti from Oklahoma City. There's a leak that they're going after Tim Connolly from Minnesota, and maybe that's a possibility. They're going after Brad Stevens from the Boston Celtics. I think a GM, you see the best GMs in the league. They find good coaches. They attract good talent. Sam Presti is an awesome GM.

You saw what's been going on with R.C. Buford and San Antonio. I know that he's technically not the GM, but he's the architect of everything, what's happening in Miami. Like the best GMs find a way to manage their roster really well, to hire the best coaches, and to find ways to win no matter what's going on.

And so, like, you can have a good coach and a bad GM and have a bad team. So to me, this is just more of the Bulls doing the things that the Bulls normally do, which is like owners always putting their fingers in the cookie jar and wanting to control things and then being surprised when they look like jokes. Yeah, I think it always boils down to the GM

because the GM, like you said, he's going to determine what players come in, what happened during the trades, all of that is what's going to happen based upon the GM. And shout out to Duke University. It seemed like Duke players are making great GMs. You got Grand Hill,

you got Ellen Brand and now you got Trajan Landing right I remember him playing at Duke so to see what he's doing with this Detroit team is phenomenal it's the testimony that the GM matters the most every time you put like a great GM in there it started the team started doing better I remember the same thing happened out there Phoenix when James I think his name was James Jones that played with LeBron and him in Miami he was a young GM he got the job out there in Phoenix And he put, you know, that whole thing together with, I think, KD and him. And that turned out to be a super team. So I think it always comes down to the gym.

Yeah, it's a tough one for me, too, as well. Because you got to have a great GM and terrible coaching. Then you got have great coaching. But, nigger, who you went and got? Like, what you want me to do with this? You know, I remember Doc Rivers. You know, he had some GM power, and he was coaching. And his phrase that he always said,

if you want me to cook the food, let me buy the groceries. And I think what you said, Trish, is 100% correct. The synergy between a coach and the GM is very, very, very important. Because once, if you're a coach, right, and you're not getting the players that a coach really feels he could win with coaching, now you've got an attitude with the GM. This nigger. Come on.

What this nigga want me to do, my nigga? Vice versa. Same thing. You get everybody, but you don't feel this guy could coach. I think you hit the nail on the head, Tris, with synergy. That's the key word that I got out of both of you and Mesa's takes. It makes, you made a great take to pointing out all the GMs that come from Duke that's doing, well. Ellen Brand, that's my brother, my man, my mellow, but I don't know.

Process is over, and then you might have make some more moves, because everything that's been going on there has not equalled out to even them get into a championship. And of course, you're my Riverside, brother. You know, we play for Riverside Hawks, man. Yeah. Yeah, so no disrespect.

You know, I love you. Like cook food. Yeah, that's why I put him in the list because he's one of us, you know? Yeah, we can tell, Mace, that was a pick for love, not necessarily a pick from the success. Yeah, yeah, we play with Elton.

That's our, you know, that's our brother, Riverside Hawks, man. So, I'll take the words. Go ahead. Go ahead, Trish. Oh, yeah, I was just going to say to your point, as you brought it up, I don't mean to cut you off, but like to dovetail off of what you were saying about how that can work when there is no synergy. A good example, I think, is the way that things went down in Denver, right? Like Michael Malone and the GM at the time, Calvin Booth.

And I think we talked about it. One time I was guest hosting on the show, like they were beefing throughout. that entire time. Before they both got fired simultaneously, it was very clear that they were sabotaging one another. Like the picks that Calvin Booth brought in, Michael Malone did not want to use. He did not want to play him. Like, I don't care about, I'm going to play Christian Brown, but I don't care about Jalen Pickett. I don't care that much about some of these role players. Like I really want us to go all in and get veteran players that I trust. And Calvin Booth's like, well, how the hell are we supposed to develop players that are low on the cap sheet if you're not developing and playing

them. And so they sort of self-combusted, both got fired, and it was very uncomfortable for everyone around. And Denver's now trying to obviously pick up the pieces. And now you got a new coach that has been playing those role players, and they've been starting to figure things out a little bit better. Moving on, my man, Doc Rivers, he gave a meeting or speech to the players where he told them, check my resume. And obviously, Well, let me not say obviously. According to reports, it rubbed some players the wrong way. We've seen this whole tobacco from the beginning of season with Milwaukee.

We see Yannis with one foot in, one foot out, doing the hokey-pokey with the bucks this season. We don't know if he's going to stay next year, not stay. His brothers are playing, so on and so forth. Now it seems like Doc Rivers is having a problem with players. Tris, what do you think about his statements? to the younger players or to players in general, you need to check my resume. It's just an incredibly arrogant, like, egotistical thing for Doc to say,

we are, like, last show, we did the whole resume thing. It's not good. Like, you look at what he's done and these blown 3-1 leads and the teams that he had with lots of talent that flamed out, really what he's done in Milwaukee's and taking over for Adrian Griffin. Like, and the team is in. disarray, the culture of the team can't fucking stand him. You can tell that there's like a bit of a revolt going on because of him. I heard a story from a former player, well, a player

that's in the league, but used to play for him, that he wanted to get more minutes from Doc. And so he asked to meet with Doc during a road trip. Doc had to meet him in this like hotel lobby area. And instead of talking about the issue that the player had was, was, hey, I want to be able to find ways to get more into the rotation. Doc started talking about, oh, well, like, don't you think it's bullshit that James Hardin is leaving and not coming with us on the plane and yada, yada, yada. And the player's like, I mean, I guess, but like, can we get back to this other thing? So then the next day, they have film.

And Doc basically says, hey, I was talking to so-and-so. And they said, you James aren't a leader because you're not taking the plane with us. James snaps his head over at this player and he's like, the fuck are you doing? This is the guy that you need to receive the ball from. I think Doc has a history of wanting to make himself look better. We saw this in Philadelphia with the Ben Simmons thing. And I just think that this is more of the same.

So like when you have the resume that he does on the court, but also the resume of being like super toxic with the culture of the locker room and we've seen this kind of time and time again, It's just like more egregious that he's nominated for the Hall of Fame. Yeah, it's kind of crazy because if you go even further back, Doc Rivers, he started out probably averaging nine points as a player, ended up averaging four points as a player. I really don't know, like, how he really got into the, to like, coach and the lead.

I think that was just somebody's idea. I think any, not anybody. but mainly anybody could have coach Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, and Paul Pierce, with a young Rondo. Anybody with Perkins, with Big Perkins, anybody could have coached that team. And then he says, look at his resume,

but after that, after Ray Allen leaves, there's no more championships. Like every other place he went, he kind of, like, destroyed everything that was going on. I think he was the first coach to get traded. It's just been a hot mess ever since, like KG and them left, man. I can't give him no credit. I can't.

I can't. Not from Wintersville. I can't. And he keeps going into these super great sensational environments and causing a debacle. Then he got Ben Simmons now. And they don't get anything done. So he throws Ben Simmons under the bus. I don't know what else to say, man.

And then he gets a Damon Lillard with Janus, and they're actually playing good. The guy ends up going into the all-star about the coach's first all-star game, and you take the all-star position from Coach Griffin. It just got bad karma written all over it. I'm not a karma guy, but this is where you use it. It just got bad karma written.

all over it. I'm a karma guy. Karma ain't got no watch. This is my niggins' city lyrics. There you go, I shout you out. Karma ain't got no watch. That's something else. I agree with me.

So I told him the same shit because I actually verbatim on one, so I can't say verbatim, said the same thing that you said to him just now. I said he won with prime time Kevin Garnett,

Ray Allen. He said, was he really? Prime time? I said yes. He was. He really was prime time. He talked about he wasn't prom.

I said, yes, he was prime time, bro. I said, what year was it in the league that they won? I said, maybe his 12, 13 year. He said, yeah, what about Joe? And I said, that's when Joy was winning championships. In his prime. You said the same thing that I just said. But I'll equate this to this, man.

You guys both gave great takes. And I'll say this, man, I was talking to my man Magic Johnson one day. Shout to my man, Magic Johnson. The manager Johnson said this, not about Doc Rivers. And I think that Mace has this too. Point guards are control freaks. I'm a two guard. The Magic Johnson said, you know, we got to control everything.

He's looking at me like a point of a point. He said, on and off the court, we have to control everything. No, he said not even on the court. He said, Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He said, point gosh, Kim, you know we got to control everything. And maybe that's how Doc feels in his life that he has to control every scenario. And he's not realizing you're not magic.

You're burning things down. See, magic? Magic can look like, look at me, 92 rings, nigger, girls basketball, baseball. Yeah. Basketball, coaching the women's team, the liberty. Lakers as a player, Lakers a GM. So magic has the control point guard thing going for him

with Doc Rivers actually doesn't. I think y'all guys summed it up really well with you guys take you. I'm not going to pile on. He does one of them. I'm not going to kick a nigga when he's there. Y'all already bodied the nigga calls. I'm going to move on.

Moving on, Mike Malone, former NBA coach, NBA champion is going to coach the University of North Carolina. He just got hired. So my question to you, Trish and Mace, can NBA coaches that have success in the NBA, go to college and have the same success? Trish will start with you. I mean, I think in the NIL era, it's closer to the NBA, except for you don't have to worry about what your GM is doing

and whether you have a draft pick and you've got, you know, getting to the top of the lottery and that you're sort of like at the mercy of that. You can build your own team and you can, if you go to the right university, you got a lot of money that you can spend on NIL and you can go out and you can use your mouthpiece to recruit some of the best players and form the team exactly that you want to form versus I think it's harder for college coaches to go to the NBA, especially a lot of them talk to their players crazy.

Young players, they think that they're going to develop them into grown men. They come in as 18 years old. I think it's a lot easier to come in from the NBA in the NIL era into college than it is the other way around. Yeah, I think this is a phenomenal pick, right? And let me tell you why. Number one, Duke has been getting the best of UNC, right? So you got that rivalry there that you got to fix ASAP.

Then you have this whole persona of UNC that has to be restored, right? So you bring in Mike Malone, like you said, he's closer to the NIL era. He can coach these guys because he's used to coaching players who are getting paid. But the one thing that he has that no other head coach in college basketball has is a, NBA championship. So because he's won on the highest level, it brings way more credibility to what he's saying. It brings even the more credibility to why you need to do it the way I'm telling you to do it. I'm a head coach of the champion, Detroit, I mean, Denver Nuggets.

So because he has that in his bag and in his repertoire and in his history, he has the right to tell you, this is the offense we want to run, which will allow much. more people to come and play for UNC. And that's really what is really about is getting those kids to want to commit. And what better way to get them to commit than to a coach that has one on the highest level? Shout to Mike Malone.

I know he's over there in Providence when Shan was over there as well. I disagree with Mace. I think that these kids are sensitive. You gotta realize that the Joker didn't want him because he ain't one niggas to tell him what to be doing. I'm like, yo, yo, my nigger, thank you, but I know what I'm doing.

And I'm not saying Mesa isn't correct as far as his take. It's more opinionated. I'm just saying, I think these kids, it's sensitive, and the feelings get hurt. And Mike Malone is a real hands-on, in-your-face type of guy. Nigger, you're way in! He's like, yo, whoa, mental break.

Who are you talking to? right now. And I don't know if these kids can handle a coach. He's an old school type vibe coach, even though that got them the championship, right? I'm talking about with the Nuggets. Yeah. It gets them to championship and niggas don't want them.

Yeah. You know, that speaks to it. I know we're switching sports. Bill Belichick, he won seven rings. It's a damn mess over there. Same school and everything. It's a fucking mess over there as far as UNC. Yeah, I didn't think of it.

about that. Yeah. So you can win on the highest level in one place because Bill Belichick is the highest of the high level. But, you know, I'm not going to choose a Mike Malone's girlfriend going to come at halftime and be smacking Mike Malone on ass sports and be like, yo, sub that and a nigga in the next half. This is who you need to work with.

That seems like shit that Bill Belichick girl does. Seems like she has a lot of input. But to agree with Mace, I don't think it's a, you know, a bad hire whistle. I think it's a great hire. It's about if the kids rarely want to be coached, are they going to be there for one year to get their check and then move on to the NBA? No, that's the thing with NIL.

A lot of kids are one and done, and if you're not going to be one and done, you don't really look as good as the kids this one and done. You know, if you stay to be a junior and senior these days, you're frowned almost. What are he doing in that long? That thing is supposed to be in and out. I don't know.

I think that that's my opinion. We'll see if it works out. I wish him the best of luck. When we come back, we're going to come back with Stephen A. Smith saying people have been trying to get fired for years, players and his associates. We'll talk about it when we come back.

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My man Stephen A. Smith says people, including athletes, have been trying to get him fired for years, but he's untouchable and tells everyone to be careful what they wish for. Trish, how do you take that statement? I mean, it's like, well, what's going to happen if you do get fired? You're just going to have your podcast and go more nuclear. I think I like Stephen A. Smith. I think what he's done for media is important. I think he, I saw the Matt Barnes video where he goes through how he met Stephen A and how he was back in the, you know, 2000s and how players can fight it in him and kind of how he's evolved over time.

But like, Stephen A, I don't think understands that his platform that he's. has right now is an important part of his brand. And if he just ends up having his own YouTube and he does a solo show, I think his relevance will decline over time unless he's hopping on Fox News, hopping on CNN, hopping on Newsmax or whatever, and making headlines, I don't think that he's going to have the same level of cachet if he's not on first take and getting promoted on serious XM and all these other big platforms that he's on. So I don't think saying like, oh, you don't want to see me if I'm unhinged and I get fired, just watch.

I don't know that necessarily like that has the gravitas that he thought it did. Yeah, I think Stephen A is an amazing commentator, right? And what he, the detail that he gives to what he's doing, I really appreciate. I'm not sure if people should fear that because like you said, it's almost like being a A-list celebrity and then you start a label that's independent, right? The independence flows because you're this A-list celebrity. If you take one away, you take away the power from another one unless you start out that way. I think if he started out independent and started out on YouTube or started out in that

particular area, I think he could have that same cashé. But I think because so much runs through the Disney program that without that it would be a much, much different marketing dollars, advertisement dollars, and all of that plays into the bigger, the celebrity. I mean, anybody that knows marketing knows that. But I think he would say more. I think it will say more things that we would want to hear and we don't get to hear it because of that brand. So is it giving take?

I don't know how to take it. You know, I don't know be careful what you wish for it means. And I don't mean that in about no slight towards him or anything. Because he's not going anywhere. He knows exactly what he's doing and he knows that the eyeballs matter.

He knows being on ESPN matters and then now he has his other platforms where he could come off a little more. Me and Bezo was talking earlier, the niggas said, yeah, fuck that. And Bezo was like, Bezo was like, Stephen A. Smith saying, fuck that damn. You know what I say?

You know, fuck that. And I was like, yo, Bezo looked up and was like, did I just say that? They said the biggest Stephen A Smith and it's like, fuck that. So. They say you make enough money as a black man, you start thinking you white.

Well, I've never heard that one. I'm not saying that phrase is wrong. I'm not saying maybe I haven't reached that much money yet. I'm still a few comments behind until I get to that point. At the end of the day, the niggins said, fuck that. So I think that he's, you know, leaning more towards, you know. Being unhinged. There you go, that's the word I'm looking for.

Being unhinged. Not just that, Trish mentioned it, being politically in the political field as well. He's brushing down to a little bit more different things. Like him and Matt Barnes right now are going back and forth about political shit, not even basketball. They're beefing about political shit. So I don't know what that means, but I do know one thing that he's not stupid by any stretch of the imagination. And he knows eyeballs matter.

It's so many people, right, that we've seen, and they thought they were bigger than the program, and we don't know where they're at right now, right? We've seen, and I'm not, and people I'm naming, I'm not being disrespectful because y'all could be off doing 100 different things. Yeah. You get into arguments or whatever.

I remember murder, and I was not saying, I think she's on Amazon there, if I'm not mistaken. I'm not being disrespectful. Yeah. Before we started this show, I was dabbling out, doing different meetings, so on and so forth to get in the sports field.

I'm like, this before, I'm like, man, fuck that. I'm gonna do on a show. Shout out the Bleacher Report, who gave me opportunity to audition for a new show that they had coming out. And they were, you know, it was Zoom calls and they were pairing people with different people. And they was like, let's see if you work with

this person or you see if you work with this basketball play. I can't remember everybody. But the person who stood out to me where they paired me with, We have to go through some sports stuff was Carly Champion I don't know if you remember Carly Channing Carly Carly Champs

She's the moderator on first take For a minute I'm not going to say originally But I was thinking to myself like damn I'm just trying to get into sports And I'm paired up with Carly Champion right now She got to it with Stephen A. Smith It's Carrey

Carrey, okay, pardon me, I'm sorry Carrey champion, my bad I'm sorry to you Carrey my apology. But I was just thinking to myself, I'm like, damn, I'm just, I just was in the studio doing an album. I'm a field with Carrie champion, auditioning,

and not saying that the platform was small, it was definitely a big platform that Bleacher Report was putting together. And I think, like I said, I think she's on Amazon now, but the ESPN eyeballs matter. They are a big deal. They're not called the worldwide leader

for no reason. So sometimes you have to pay attention. to that, and I know Stephen A. Smith does pay attention to that, and he's not going to do anything to jeopardize that. Just sign the contract for $100 million. And he's very cautious about what he says on ESPN. The freedom he has on his platform that's been going on lately. It's brand new. Fuck that.

Fuck that. I haven't really seen the fuck that Stephen A. Smith before. But I don't think he's going to do anything to jeopardize what he has going on on ESPN. So moving on, prominent NFL reporter of the New York Times, Diana Rossini, making sure I'm pronouncing the right, got caught cutting late with New England Patriots head coach Mike Vrable. I always say his name wrong. Sorry, I'm from 1309th Street.

My Bonyx is kicking in sometime. They both have stated that they were there with friends and it's not what they would. They basically say, look, we was just chilling with other people. We're friends. It's not what it seems. Trish, what do you think about that? I mean, you look at the photos and you hear about where they were.

Apparently it was like an adult-only resort. And the photo was taken from a rooftop. And the rooftop was only accessible from your like cabana or something. and that you pay in order to... So it wasn't like a public space, essentially, that it was a rooftop off of a hotel in Sedona, Arizona, which is like pretty fucking far from Phoenix.

Like truthfully, I've driven to Sedona. I think it's like two hours from Phoenix. And they were both, I guess, in town for the NFL league meetings, and they linked up apparently, allegedly, with other friends. I don't see any other friends. But what I do see is them interlocking fingers

just an interesting move. I see them laying in a little pool floaty together side by side, and I see them just hugging up. To me, I don't know about friends. I don't think necessarily I would say that there's 100% certainty that they're fucking, but it's leaning in that direction, and I do want to get Maces and your perspective, Cam,

I'm like, would it have mattered if it was at night, like differently, or does it look worse that it's in the day? I want to answer the first question. Let me put my glasses on. I'm sorry. You don't need your glasses on for this. If your girl is in a floaty with a nigger and then she got her fingers locked, I mean, do you need to see condoms at this point?

To notice something is not right. And I think what makes more sense if you know where their spouses were, right? Their spouses wasn't there, so they had no reason to be in that kind of secluded place. You don't go for business meetings in a remote place with just you and the opposite sex. Come on. Like, are we really having this conversation? This lets you know certain people you can't play with. And everybody doesn't settle the score when you want to settle it.

This is somebody that thought about this. She pissed off or she did something wrong. And that person never forgot about it. They put a private investigator on her, got the picture they needed, and said, gotcha. And this is what this is right here. That's what I think. You can't play with everybody. Pause.

Pause. Do you think that they're both married? Yeah. Do you think this is? of a fair going on. I 100%. I mean, just from my eye, the eye test, right?

We always talk about the eye test. Why are you going to Sedona, Arizona? Like, that's like, killer, that's like going to, your wife was not yours, but just said a nigga live in the Bronx. His wife is in, um, Hempstead.

I know what you mean. What are you doing? in the hamster your job is in the Bronx what are you doing the hamster oh we was having a night retreat a day retreat when you left here you had a dress on you had glasses on you had a dress shirt on and I see you in a picture in a pool with a bikini on yeah well listen Nick do me a favor of my take let's pull the picture out real quick be a rocket scientist you Yeah, come on, man. They set there with a group of people.

I don't see a foot, an arm from nobody else. You know how you might be like somebody walking by. This looks real secluded. Wait, pull a picture back up. You see the top left picture. That's like, where you've been at? Yeah, and the top right picture is like, come man. The top right picture is like, come on.

You know what we're doing. Yeah. And then the floaty, listen, man, put it like this, right? if you love someone and you're in a relationship, they're not going to be happy with that. Her husband and his wife cannot be happy. How do you explain that picture if you're married? That's the real question.

If you're married... You can't. You can't explain that because when you're doing business, when you're doing business with people, it should be in a business environment, right? So if you said, we're on a retreat, then where were the ladies you were on a retreat with? We didn't see no ladies in there.

I mean, that's what a woman is going to tell us, right? If she said, well, y'all was on a retreat, where was all the fellas at? Just you and her so happened to be on a retreat? That's called an affair. Yeah, man. I didn't dumb bitches for less. And I'm saying, that's what it looks like. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I didn't curve for less. murder. So I totally agree with both of you guys, man. But Trish, listen, man. Wait, wait, wait, go ahead, go ahead. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. So you can be non-monogamous, but she can't be non-monogamous? Is that what I'm hearing? Or is this an older version of you? Well, I'm talking about older version of me, but that's definitely the rule. Got it. But no, that's the rule today. Now, wait, the rule is that she has to just be with you, but you can be with everybody.

else? No, she could be with other women. Not any other men. But she can't be with other men. No, no. Now you call me, why you calling me a secondhand cuckhole? No, you're wilding now. Being wild disrespectful. I'm telling you that right now. Second hand. She means can my woman be with other men? No. What do you mean? You can be with other women? But see, that's the thing. See, that's the thing, Trish, right?

So I have this convo before I get with a female. Like right now, let me give a shout out to her. Because I don't give her enough credit up here. Shout out to her. You know what I mean? We'll leave it at her. He's not going to get her to name? He says shout out to her.

It could literally be 100 women that you see. She said that too and be like, this was you. She knows. She knows. She got rent paid and all that once in a while. But the point being is this, I have, at this age, you know, you ought to realize, right, growing up, all jokes like, growing up, I got tired of being scared. And when I say tired of being scared, you know when you're not being, and I'm not married, but I'm talking about when you got a girlfriend and you got, you leave out a hotel with another female and they call you and they don't even know you's a hotel. You just get scared like, oh shit, they see me.

Oh, God. I got tired of that. And I said, if I ever get out of those predicaments, I'm going to be totally honest with whoever I went moving forward. And so I'm very honest. And most of the time I deal with a female that likes females because I haven't found monogamy love yet. And maybe one day I will, maybe one day I won't.

But I'm not going to lie to anybody because I don't want to be scared. It's just not a good feeling when you lie and then you get caught lying and then it's just cheating is not cool. It's not. And when I say cheating, you rather just be open about your situation from the jump.

And so therefore, I'm honest. No, you can't be when anybody else that's a male. Serial, I'm dead serious. I'm just being honest. You like females, me too. Let's do it. So when she gets with other women, that has to be with you as well?

Or she can do that solo? I wouldn't mind if she did it by herself, but don't be selfish. So what if she said, we're so derailed. What if she said, okay, I'm cool with you being with other females, but don't be selfish? Yeah, I'm down with that, too. I'm down with that. But not solo. You can't do the solo thing.

It was only... Yeah, let's pick this up, Trish. Let's indulge. Listen. What was the last question? So she... So, okay, so, but you can still be with women solo, even if she says don't be selfish?

She, what I got with her, she told me that she doesn't believe that men, men are. only for one woman. You know what her rule is? This is her rule. As long as you don't wife nobody else, I don't give a fuck what you do,

but just don't have another girlfriend, a main girl. So I can fuck a hundred bitches as long as they're not my girlfriend and she's the girlfriend. That's her rule given to me. I said, bad! Can't beat that.

Yeah. Can't beat that. it. Yo, look at Neo. Neo living a dream. I don't know if you follow Neo the singer, the writer. Three badgers. I don't know what he's been up to. I thought he was so sick of love songs the last time I

heard from him. Well, see, the thing about it is a lot of people equate Neo's career as an artist and don't know the songs he's written. He don't have to come out no more because he writes for Beyonce. He writes for reality. He writes for everybody. He just sits back and collect a check. Take a quick, look real quick, Tris.

Google Neo why are you right there? Google Neo's wife's. Take a look. Living the dream. You got three looking for four, right? Yeah, they're looking for a fourth one as we speak. Baddies.

Baddies. Yeah. Yeah. They get it. They get it, man. Oh, wow. There's a whole group of them like it's a little harem around them.

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm trying to tell you. We out here. You know what I'm saying? So there's sister wives. I don't even have, I can't have sister wives. We can have, do your thing and you got to go home.

I remember I had a threesome with my girl. And when we finished, she almost literally kicked the girl out to bed and say, go find a room in the house. All that cuddling and all that, she's not with all that. But, you know, we, communicate.

Sounds like you found a good thing. Yes. Yeah, did. Shout to her. This, back to this Diana Rossini thing, people are very upset because Diana Rossini's been breaking a lot of news and has been putting a lot out there about A.J. Brown reuniting with Mike Vrable.

And so they say that they don't trust her reporting anymore. I don't really think it's a huge deal. I think the whole news breaking game's kind of dirty in general. Like, you have to do what you have to do to do to get that in front. information. Like, what do you think about that? So what you're saying, Trish is this, right? If you got to go fuck a head coach to get the inside scoop, but you're with all that. It's a dirty game. That's what you just, is that what you're saying?

I mean, not exactly. I'm just not going to say, oh, I don't believe her reporting. And I think she should be fired because she may have booed up with Mike Vrable. There's been rumors about her and Mike Brable for years before he was even in New England. So like, yeah, maybe that has to do with how she's getting the scoops, but she's also getting a lot of other scoops. And so it's a tough game. It's a relationship business. You've got to develop a level of closeness and trust for people to tell you a lot of inside info and allow you to report it first for them. on their behalf and not like fuck them in the process or at least like, you know, proverbially.

So I don't think that's like the best way of going about it. But I do think when you're dealing with a male sport and you're one of a few women, that's a, it's a tough line to balance based on like you've got to get close to these people that you're reporting on. and sometimes maybe you mess around and accidentally get a little too close. Yeah, just for translation purposes, everybody knows it, audience watching. Tritch said if you got to suck a dick or two

and you're a female working for the NFL, then you just might have to suck a dick or two to get that inside school. Because basically they're not going to give it to you if you have female working in the NFL. She was very elaborate how she said it, you know, drawing out for points. It's tough out.

there. So sometimes you got to do what you got to do. So, well, go ahead. Well, no, but I do think. And for the record, for the record, Mace has left for this conversation for everybody. He's not a part of this conversation. This is just me and Trish. Go ahead. I do think that, because I've interviewed, first and foremost, I could never break news. I'm like a terrible secret keeper when it comes to what I know about what's going on in the sport. And like I said, it's kind of a little bit of a grimy business in general. But as somebody who's interviewed a lot of professional athletes, and the goal of that is to get,

and you've done a bunch of interviews, but it's different because you're two guys talking about the sport or whatever, especially with boxing or with entertaining. But you want to get them to open up. if you don't already know them, it's kind of an intimate thing to be able to create an energetic connection with somebody right away. And it feels, at least it has for me at times felt like that banter is a little flirty. So I can see how like that moment people get swept up and they're like, oh, maybe this is like

something unique, this energy that we've exchanged and this chemistry that we have. like, oh, we go out to drinks and I see them at the direct TV party and all of a sudden you're hugged up with some player or coach that you just interviewed and you're like, fuck, I didn't even think it was going to go down this way. Right. So you know what women do? And I'm not talking about you or any other.

What do they do? And I'm not going to blame it. And they're seeing me. I'm not blaming anybody. But women do this in the workplace all the time, right? It's called the flirtatious touch. Get out of here and this hits you. What you doing?

Come here. Oh, you smell good, and you're dealing with wolves. Dealing with wolves and you flirtatious touching. Niggins like, man, she keeps you. All right. Then they come over, you're tense. You seem tense lately.

Word. All right. Keep it up. Keep it up. I'm not talking about football or anything. I'll just talk about in the workplace. then they can be like, yo, they pull out

you won't go to human resources. You've been touching me for two weeks and giving me some little you know, you're tense, you need to loosen up. And then when I get crazy, you want to report a nigga. I get what you're saying too, but women know how to use

their flirtatious abilities and then when it gets to their limit, they want the man to stop. Patrice O'Neill said all this, man. He said, women working with men is like honeyfish working with grizzly beers. They said, you look so delicious, but I can't even eat you or touch you or do anything to you. But you're delicious.

You look good. And then he also says, R.P. Patrice and you know what they do, two bees old? They come to work and show cleavage. Oh, yeah, a lot of cleavage. And then you can't say nothing about it. You show all this cleavage and you gotta just act like you don't see a bunch of meat.

So after Patrice O'Neill, he made a good point about that. Girl, I ain't gonna even blow up. Come around with a pants all in the ass stuff a day for a minute. This is my home girl, too. I had a meeting about saying, you should have seen these Daisy Dukes she had on, man.

You know, it was crazy. They're not, B's a way or wrong. It was ridiculous. Yeah. But I didn't feed into it. I stayed professional. You asked Taylor, too. Taylor was there.

My own girl, Taylor. I was just like, no, if I'm going to stay professional and do what I have to do. I'm strong. I ain't guys not going to have this stuff I have, man. But Trish, look, you'll be back tomorrow. You'll be back next week.

We went over the time, but it was fun having this conversation. There's not more of these, man. We'll be back tomorrow, everybody. See you tomorrow, Trish. We appreciate you being here. And as always, it is what it is.