IT IS WHAT IT IS - ANTHONY EDWARDS IS BETTER THAN MIKE WAS AT 22 & WHY THE CLIPPERS GOT SOME CHANGES TO MAKE | S4 EP11

Episode Date: May 6, 2024

It's a reunion, hello y'all Uh I was selling crack on a private jet, I've been to hell and back But no confusion, it's a reunion Hello y'all, welcome back Your murder here, he counting money He said, can't man, the hell we're at I'm only here to shit on niggas and piss on bitches

Welcome ass, I bought jewelry And bikes, nigga, black Benz's And white Vigas, now I'm out here And I'm looking for more chandeliers And light fixtures, nah I don't like niggas, what's wrong with me? I'm a high nigga, but this 44 Welcome back to It Is What It Is. This episode is sponsored by Underdog Fantasy. The app is an easy way to make some cash just by making picks on your favorite players.

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Mace and Cam Stat and Myrtle what up what's good man chilling man how you doing it was a wild weekend it really was man it really was, man. It really was, man.

It's been crazy the last... What my nigga Sin say? The retrograde. I don't even know. Sin tell you, yo, Cam, it's some retrograde. Shut up, Sin. I don't care about the retrograde, all right? I don't care.

Shit was just wild. Why can't it just be a wild weekend? It gotta be some molecules and stones and all the retrograde he said all right bro i just thought it was a wild weekend it's some shit that he says where be careful because the moon and alignment make everybody act crazy yeah they make you go crazy you know what the retrograde well you explained it correctly when mercury's mercury's in retrograde like yeah Well, you explained it correctly. When Mercury is in retrograde, like, yeah, things that are usually normal are like the complete opposite.

Like it's swapped. So if you feel like things have been happening real weird lately, that's when people say Mercury is in retrograde. So. So how was your weekend? My weekend was great. It was crazy, you know, not involving me.

So I had a great weekend. But yeah, how was y'all's? Or what do you think was the craziest since we're talking about it? Oh, man. I think that battle was crazy. Yeah, it was. It was. It was.

It was crazy. Definitely. You know what I realized about shit? Is that niggas is so hot that like niggas, whatever niggas say about the is that niggas is so hot that like niggas whatever niggas say about the battle niggas care what we say

about the battle. Like, nigga, I'm going to say what I want to say about the battle. But niggas talk up to me or maybe it's just

because I see all the ads that I see because niggas tag me. I can't say the hundreds of millions or however many people are listening. Y'all niggas be tagging me

like I'm in the battle. Yeah. Yeah, I be finding that hilarious. tagging me like I'm in the battle. Yeah. Yeah, so I be finding that hilarious. Like, I'm not even in the battle. Nigga be getting mad at me. You see this? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. But you got to say about this now. And you know, in a battle, it's like a fight. You could be winning one round and then the next round, lose that round.

Yeah, that's a fact. We didn't put money up at the beginning of the battle. Yeah, our goal is just to call it honestly. Yeah. She was at the house with me the other day when shit was dropping back to back to back. Me and she was in there like, yo, shit getting a little wild, man. Shit was getting crazy.

Yeah, it was getting crazy. It was getting crazy, man. It was good weekend, though. Besides that, my show got canceled. They said it was a windstorm. I'm mad about that because I would have went to the Kentucky, I was invited to the Kentucky Derby,

but I couldn't go to the Kentucky Derby because I had a show and the show got canceled. So I missed Kentucky Derby. Shout out to UTA and getting us the tickets and everything. I really wish I would have went. That's like,

and I ain't going to say it's bucket list shit, but it's shit that I've never been to that I want to be like, I did that already. So, man, I miss that. Yeah, that would have been super dope so you think one the battle yeah right now man i'm gonna be honest kendrick i don't like what drake dropped last night because it wasn't bad but i don't like the way it ended he seemed like he like this the last one i'm doing like can't end it when you just want to end it. You know, he's like, yo, man, it's all,

I'm tired of doing this, this, that, and the third. And I just think that you shouldn't have ended it like that. You just got to keep going. That's just my opinion right now. I'm not saying Drake ain't my bro or nothing, but I don't like the way he ended it, if that's the end for him, me personally. So I'm going to go with Kendrick right now. I'm not saying Drake ain't my bro or nothing, but I don't like the way he ended it. If that's the end for him, me personally.

So I'm going to go with Kendrick right now. Yeah, I'm going with Kendrick as well. It seemed like whatever, whatever he started out doing, he picked up the speed pause and really did what

he was supposed to do. I thought the record that he did, the last one that he did was the one I thought he should have done a little bit earlier. But, you know. Meet the Grams or the other one? The

Meet the Grams, you know, I would have started with Meet the Grams and then I would have went into, you know, not like that. What's the name of the record? Not Like Us. Not Like Us, yeah. That was crazy. When I heard that, I was like, oh yeah. It's going to be tough. Hey like us, yeah. That was crazy. When I heard that, I was like, oh, yeah.

It's going to be tough. Hey, yo, Larry. So you just walked in with a girl, please. This ain't the motherfucking hangout. Word. Who just came in, yo? Oh, crazy. My bad, crazy.

It's my fault. All right, we good. Yeah, so when he dropped the second record, the last record, not second, that Not Like Us, that was the one I was expecting. Yeah, look, Back to Back was good.

The Meet the Grams, I thought it was good, but I just thought the one Drake dropped before that. See, what happened was this. Then we went out. Yeah. What was Drake one before that?

Push-ups? No, after push-ups. Family Matters? They played that in the clubs. And Meet the Grams, you couldn't really play in the club. So when niggas went out that night, they played Family Matters like 10 times back-to-back in the club so when went out that night they played family matters like 10 times back to back in the club so when kendrick came with an upbeat one they played that in the club yeah like 10

times in a row and the one drake just dropped it was kind of slow it seemed like he don't want to do it no more pause and i just don't like the way it ended but like you said murder we'll see to be continued but it don't seem like like Drake want to battle no more. I still feel like this might only be the beginning, but let's start with Pat Bev. So he is banned from future ESPN appearances and shows after he dismissed a female reporter trying to interview him after she said that she wasn't subscribed to his podcast.

So first, after seeing the video, how do you guys feel about the way that Pat Beth handled the situation and dismissed her off? I mean, he does have the right, but he don't have the right as an NBA player. He has the right as a media personnel to say, if you're not supporting mine, I'm not going to support yours. But once he's playing in the NBA, he doesn't have that right because they have to do those interviews after the game. So once he did that, I guess that put him in a

very weird place because even if ESPN doesn't ban him, then the NBA is going to fine him greatly for that because that's how they make their money and they got partners with these people so after the games that's part of their other bag is the interviews and things like that with their other partners well what do As far as Pat Bev Yeah

Look You can't be bigger than the system That's just the moral of the story You're not bigger than the system We have a great show here We've been very blessed To do this And Thank you to the countless amount of people a great show here. We've been very blessed to do this.

And thank you to the countless amount of people who supported us. Whether it's down to Kevin Garnett, down to Stephen A. Smith, down to Gilbert Arenas, down to Steve Stout. All these people

who called and gave us a lot of recognition and praise. And I'm just naming people off the top of my head. It's dozens and dozens of people who gave us love. But we're never thinking that we're bigger than the system. And when I say bigger than the system,

I'm talking about to go shit on people who've been doing this before we've done it. Now, we may make clown and make jokes and say, nah, we ain't fucking with niggas, or we ain't this niggas, or we ain't acting like them, da-da-da-da-da-da-da. But it's not bigger than, we're not bigger than the system.

The thing about it is, we can always say, man, fuck niggas, or we ain't doing shit like them, or fuck these niggas. But we not in a system. Patrick Beverly has a podcast, which is his podcast.

But you're being interviewed as part of a system, which is called the NBA, which the NBA has sold his rights to Disney and TNT and whoever else they have deals with for them to get NBA content. And once you're in that system, you have to comply for being in that system. Now I get what Pat Bevis trying to say, you ain't fucked with me, I ain't fucking with you. That's not about a part. You just finished the game. So, I don't know if he was mad or upset

because not only that, I seen him throw a basketball at a fan in the crowd. Yeah. You know, He threw the ball pause two times. Yeah.

And it was like, bro, you can't be that mad and then don't expect repercussion. Now, you want to join this? Well, there ain't a lot of repercussion up here. I'm being nice about what I'm saying.

We really don't care like that. You know what I'm saying? We really don't really be giving a fuck. But when you're in a system, you can't really buck the system like that because it's billions of dollars in state. Now look, and one reason I'm saying this is because

it's a lot of greasy, poor shit that go on that people don't know about. You sit here and say, fuck these niggas, fuck these niggas. They're relationships with different people. I have you out. So you got a podcast. Yeah, you're not one of them niggas. Yeah, but yeah, exactly. I'm just saying, if you got a podcast yeah you're not one of them niggas

yeah but yeah exactly I'm just saying if you got a podcast right and it's through I'm just saying Barstool

I'm just using an example I think it's through Barstool and the head of Barstool is cool I'm just it's all a fake scenario I'm making up

it's not a real scenario and the head of Barstool is cool with the boss of ESPN and they have a relationship they're like yeah that it you know no more no more no more of that and then you you gotta realize this game's beyond the game and sometimes you're never gonna know where the top of the game is because you're never gonna make it there in this lifetime you just wasn't blessed to

get there not saying we are going to get there too, but sometimes it's games beyond the games beyond the games. It's like, what's the shit we were talking about? Better dollar, more the more. Yeah. It went Randolph and more the more. You know what I'm saying? And that was a nigga life.

They playing with niggas lives for a dollar. So I just wanted to say all that to say I don't think Pat Bell should have did that. Was it warranted? Yeah, they did get an interview after the game.

So, I don't know if it should have been to the extent that he never could be on part of ESPN again. But, you're a journeyman. It's the truth.

I'm not dissing you. What's a journeyman, killer? A journeyman is somebody who doesn't stay on the team long, but they're still, but they're still good enough to play on the team.

You'll fit in pause somewhere. We'll figure it out. A journeyman is played on at least three teams. Would you consider that a journeyman? Four teams, yeah. Yeah, like,

you're a journeyman. Yeah, you're definitely a journeyman. Yeah, yes, you're a journeyman? Four teams, yeah. Yeah, like you're a journeyman. Yeah, you're definitely a journeyman. Yeah, yes, you're a journeyman. And you make impact where you go significantly, not on insignificantly, depending on the situation. But when you're a journeyman, you got to watch your tone sometimes. You know what I'm saying? For instance, I'll give you an example, right?

Let's say- So you played on four teams, you're a journeyman? I say three, four. And not played on four teams you're a journeyman i say three four and no and not played on four traded traded yeah so yeah i was about to say no not not by choice by yo get out of here i'm not gonna say if you play because you could go where you want to go take this nigga yeah if you get traded in the middle of the night, that's on you. But that's what I consider a journeyman if you get traded three, four teams

or even more than that. And then I know, Cam, you explained that you don't know if it should have went as far as the extent of having him not have any more ESPN appearances. Do you agree or do you think that's valid? I'm just curious. I mean, they gave him back the same paul

smoke that he was trying to give them you're not gonna do my podcast i'm not gonna speak to you right so then they just returned the smoke pause they say you know what okay so you're not gonna do the interview heard you you're never going on here again and that that goes to the point to where I was talking about journeymen. That's where I was going to get to. I lost my train of thought for a second because you asked me a question. But when you nice, let's say LeBron was mad and he did that. Write a statement. It's over.

And it's over. Does it happen when you're a superstar? Yeah, you can't show off when niggas don't really need you. That's a rule. Don't ever show off if niggas don't need you. Lessons learned. But sometimes niggas be thinking niggas need them, Paul. That's the harsh reality.

They gonna find out. Yeah. They gonna find out. Yeah. So far. Yeah. ESPN started it. We'll see what happens. Facts. Lessons out. Yeah. So far. Yeah. ESPN started it. We'll see what happens.

Facts. Lessons learned. Okay. And then the Timberwolves beat the Nuggets in game one, 106 to 99. Was this a game you were expecting the Timberwolves to win? And then should Denver start being more worried? How do you think that this is going to go? Are you asking me is Titletown on the move?

I guess. Might be on the move, killer. Titletown might be on the move. That boy Ant-Man, pause. He out there looking like MJ. I said it earlier. Ant-Man, you can make all checks payable to Mase. I'm the one pushing this narrative. Ant-Man's looking like Jordan out there. I think if it happens one more time, I'm going to go on the record and say he might be the next Jordan, for real. I just want to be the first one to let niggas know. That's how he's playing. He's playing like there's nobody that can really guard him.

And they get 43 against the defending champ says a lot. Because it's not like he's playing against niggas that ain't playing for everything. And pause. When they won, I was

the only thing I was thinking, if they beat them 4-1, it's going to be crazy. But I'm just putting that out there, Stack, because you know I'll always be right. So if they beat them 4-1, I don't want to hear nothing. I said it. Underdog fantasy. Cold camp.

It's on you, killer. Yeah, when I watch this game, I'm going to make a decision on a series after I see the second game, but Denver look really small. Usually Denver, with the Joker, looks like they're the biggest team on the court, and the Joker look really, really small. pause like when you stood next to rudy gobert you seen the two three four four five about two three maybe four inch difference i'm not sure but he looked really small the lobs joker usually did does it wasn't working uh rudy gobert made it really really uncomfortable for the joke i mean he still had 32 but this is the first time i in a long time he didn't shoot 50% from the field. Aaron Gordon, he's only started a shot over 50%. Caldwell Pope shot 50%, but only shot four shots.

Two for four. Murray had a terrible first half. He shot less than 50%, and it looked like Minnesota really wanted this game. And I started looking at this position, pause for position. And I said, Jamal Murray, I'm going to give him an advantage over Mike Conley.

Anthony Edwards, everything you said about him was absolutely correct. So we're going to give Anthony Edwards, we're going to give him the credit for the two guard for Minnesota. But then, you know, three guard I give to Minnesota with Michael Porter. But when it came to the four- You're talking about Denver. Pardon me, absolutely Denver, the three guard position. But the four and five, and I'm not sitting here saying Rudy Gobert is anything like the Joker, but he's causing and disrupting what he usually does.

And I'm going to say Aaron Gordon looked like Carl Anthony Towns was giving him problems at the four position. So, I remember them

assembling this team and getting Rudy Gobert and Carl Anthony Towns and I was like, the league ain't even going there no more a couple years. I'm like,

niggas shooting threes and shit, but you need both these niggas. Yeah, now we was able to see why. Whatever that GM was, I don't know y'all GM off the top of his head, but he must have seen this pause coming because it looked definitely like Denver wanted it more.

They looked like there's the bigger team. They looked like the best player on the floor played for them. And I'm waiting for game two to see how this goes. Because if we're going to corner game one, it don't look good. And let's get it right. Denver was home. They was home. And not only that, this is where Jeff Green is missing.

This is where Bruce Brown is missing. And this is where Minnesota has the sixth man of the year. So their bench looks like it may be a little stronger than Denver's bench. Denver, beware. You're on the clock. Next game, I'm going to make a decision on the series. I don't want to throw you all under the bus just yet,

but Mace may be totally correct because if we're going off what we've seen the first game, cool, this is really on you also, Mike Maloney, the adjustments that need to be made, the mistakes that happen. So I didn't see the Joker. I haven't seen the Joker look that uncomfortable in two, three years. Yeah, because they're changing those shots.

Even though Gobert only had three blocks, those are just the three blocks he got. But everything else is like he's changing people's shots, making them do new moves. And I'm thinking if they get this game again on the second game and they win this game, their confidence is going to be through the roof. I wouldn't see them returning from that because the best player on the court is actually on the opposite team.

Ant-Man is the best player in the playoffs right now. I'm not going to say that. There's a bunch of players playing good. He played absolutely out of his mind, but I'm not going to base the one game that he did. But you're absolutely right, Mace. He arguably could be the best player in the playoffs. I'm not willing to say that yet.

Only other person is Jalen Brunson. Jalen Brunson looks great too, but the Joker, did you see what Joker's averaging in the playoffs? Like, we're so used to what the Joker is doing because he's been doing it so long, but he's averaging like 33 points,

like 12 rebounds. He's averaging almost, he's like.2 away from averaging a triple-double. It's just that that's what we're used to seeing. So we're like, it's something new with Ant-Man.

It's something new with Jalen Brunson. I totally agree. And I'm not saying that they may not be the best player in the playoffs so far, but we're just so used to seeing the Joker do this for the last two, three, maybe four years that we're ignoring his stats. So I would definitely say those are the top three. But I'm not here to argue with your point with Ant-Man at all because he's looking sensational.

Oh, yeah. I'm a new expert, so I'm going for the new niggas. False. You know, every time a new nigga gets a point, the young nigga say, he the GOAT. Yeah, the new hotness. The new hotness. Okay.

So after this game and looking ahead to game two, Jokic said that the Nuggets may need two of him to counter the trio of Gobert, Cat, and Nas Reed in game two. So hearing him say that at the postgame presser, how do you feel about hearing Jokic say that himself, that he would need basically a clone of himself? Yeah, that's the acknowledgement of what Killa was just saying. And when you got Paul, he's that kind of big man in the front court, and you got somebody coming off the bench that could do the same things that the people are doing on a team, it just makes it a tremendously hard feat to go against three people.

It would be one thing if he was going against Anthony Towns, but now he's going against after he's spent off Towns, he run right into Gobert. And then after they get tired, then Nas Reed comes in and he gets his, the best game of his life. You know, then it becomes a real uphill battle because Denver has been banking on Joker being a bully through the Western Conference. Now, it seemed like, like Killer said, the GM sat there and said, well, there's nobody out there to go get to stop him. What we're going to do is build a wall. We're going to build a wall around him. So definitely somebody else is going to have to beat us because he's not going to be able to beat us by himself.

I want to say that out loud. I want to say that because it's causing doubt. I wouldn't have said that out loud. I wouldn't have said it because it's causing doubt. And you sit there and put that in the air, that's already kind of a mission that we can't do this without two of me.

Like, I would not have said that. Even if it's true, I would have saved that for a conversation with the coach or maybe the players because it's not two of them. And it's not going to be two of them who is through the playoffs.

So why even say that out loud? To me, that's that this don't look good because I need somebody else. Aaron Gordon ain't going to cut it with size when it comes to Cat. See, Aaron Gordon was looking really, really good against the Lakers.

LeBron was bullying everybody outside of Aaron Gordon. And Aaron Gordon, I'm not saying he was having his way with LeBron, but it was moments where he was getting past LeBron or LeBron might be caught slipping on defense. So it was moments where he was looking pretty good against LeBron.

These niggas, Minnesota hit their stride at the right time. Karl-Anthony Towns was hurt. He stayed out until he came back to be 100%, and he looks very, very healthy. Everybody on their team looks healthy. It don't look like nobody's wobbling around. It don't look like nobody

has any injury. He looks very, very healthy. I'm talking about the whole Minnesota team. The only person that looks hurt on Minnesota is the coach. Besides that, them niggas is looking good. Pause, man. So I wouldn't have said that out loud if I was the Joker because that's basically sounding like,

damn, if we don't get another big man, this don't look good. Yeah, and it's too early to be, it's too early to be copping out like that. It's like hearing Deebo say niggas ain't give him

a fair one, you know? Pause. I dig where he's, I dig where he's coming from, but I wanted to put that in the air

because it's basically kind of throwing Aaron Gordon under the bus because that's, that's your four. Yeah. And you're just basically saying

we don't have enough height on our team to deal with this. Right. And then before we move on to the next game, because you did start making the Ant-Man and MJ comparisons, do you feel fully, both of you, do you feel fully comfortable

making those comparisons right now? Because I think that's a deeper discussion that a lot of people are talking about. I can't speak for Cam, but, you know, I know he normally speaks for me, but right now I'm just going with pause. What I see is just like minister society, and they say if that's you on the tape,

then this is what's happening. I mean, whatever Jordan was doing, that's what Ant-Man is doing right now. He's dunking on niggas. He's having his way. Like when young niggas say they're having their way, he's definitely having his way. There's nobody

that can stop him in the West Coast at the two guard. Just think of right there. There's nobody in the Western Conference that can stop him at two guard. He's out there paused playing by himself realistically because at any point he can get any shot he want. And if his jump shot is clicking, he's just like Jordan out there.

They don't want to hear that yet, but it's a new day. Yeah, niggas don't like that yet. I was talking about that, and niggas is like, we're going too far. It's different comparisons. There's ways to look at this. I think he's looking like Michael Jordan as far as if you had to put a silhouette around Michael Jordan and him and the shit that he's doing, shooting the mid-range

game, opens threes, he's knocking down, coming through, dunking on people like Michael Jordan. Absolutely, getting the numbers that he's getting. He has three consecutive games of 35 and more in the playoffs and only

other people 22 and under to do it was LeBron James Kobe Bryant and I forget who the other person was but that's good company that is saying that but the reason I'm saying about Michael Jordan and just not jumping

the gun and putting him there but I like his attitude too. You know what they told him? He was talking to Steve Kerr because he's going to be on the Olympic team and he was telling Steve Kerr, I should be starting. I don't really get where I'm at starting. And Steve Kerr was like, you know, when you're a part of the Olympic team, everybody's a superstar. Even people have to come off the bench. We got people like Kobe Bryant.

And he said, well, I don't see a Kobe on our team. So I don't get what you, why would you tell me that? That's the attitude I like. I like that. And there ain't no Kobe out there. So what the fuck would you be telling me about a Kobe Bryant for? So I like his attitude. The only thing I'm going to say about the Jordan thing, a Kobe out there so what the fuck would you be telling me about a Kobe Bryant for? So, I like his attitude. The only thing I'm going to say

about the Jordan thing and I'm not saying he can't be there but it's a long way to go. Absolutely a long way to go but if you accomplish something great at 22 years old

which Michael Jordan didn't, I think that's, right now, put it like this, man. They looking like the best team in the West after the first game. We got to next game for how to make a decision on the series. And then, of course, we got to sit there and see what happens with Dallas and OKC. But it's looking like that.

My problem with making a comparison to Jordan just yet, and not on Ant-Man's behalf or Jordan's behalf is that Jordan played when it wasn't a one and done when you couldn't just go to school one year and leave even when he left as a junior and everybody's like yo he's leaving early even though you know that's when you had to go to school for you so imagine Michael Jordan getting into the league when he was 19 years old and the accomplishments he might have made from the time he was 19 or 18 to 22 years old. So Michael Jordan is already down three or four years of being a professional to where Ant-Man's in an era to where it's one and done. So he's being celebrated at 22 to where Michael Jordan was 21, 22 when he first came in the league.

it was 21, 22 when he first came in the league. So I don't think that's fair at all because Michael Jordan might have been crazy at 22 if he came into the league a couple years earlier. We don't know. Yeah, that's a good argument, but there's a lot of niggas coming at 19 and stinking up. Yeah, absolutely. But you got a lot of superstars, too,

that came in from high school. A lot of people. You got Tracy T. Mack. You got Kobe Bryant. You got Kevin Gardette. It's a lot of superstars, not just regular stars, superstars that came in from high school. A lot of people. You got Tracy T. Mack. You got Kobe Bryant. You got Kevin Gardette. It's a lot of super, not just regular stars, superstars that came in,

did well. There was certain players to where David Stern felt like, like you said, murder. They came in from high school and started stinking it up. And he like,

you know, you watering down the leaves. Yeah, we can't have this anymore. So, yeah, I think if Michael Jordan would have came in earlier, not saying he was even ready. You watering down the league. We can't do this no more. We can't have this anymore. So, yeah. I think if Michael Jordan would have came in earlier. I'm not saying he was even ready.

It's all wood of scenarios. Yeah. But that wasn't available to players back when Michael Jordan was in college. Okay. And then the Magic has been eliminated from the playoffs after a Game 7 defeat by the Cavs 106-94. Your sleeper team. The Cavs will go on to play the Celtics. So thoughts on that game, the way the magic went out,

and then how do you guys feel about the Cavs' next challenge against the Celtics? That's a lot. Pause. The Cavs is such a blue-collar team. I feel like they could stay in this series with them, especially with the way that Holiday is playing right now and Porzingis being out. I don't think it's that much of a mismatch like it was early in the season when you're thinking this team would be loaded with all of these players

and now not having Porzingis and the way, like I said, Holiday is not playing as well as I thought he would be. And it seemed like White is the man on the perimeter pause for the last couple of games. Derek White, and he's out of a, what's that, a D3 or D2? He's been playing exceptionally well. So I don't think Donovan Mitchell is going to let him do that to him. So, this is going to be a real good series,

I think. I could see it going about six or seven. But I think Celtics should win it. But who knows, you know? Light-skinned niggas had a bad week last week. So, unless they come back,

you know, light-skinned niggas had a bad week. It's been a bad week for Lyskin niggas. I don't know. It's going back to our skin. I don't know. Boston's winning the series. These niggas just played seven games.

I don't even see it going six or seven games, but maybe five if that. Especially if Porzingis is healthy. Derek White has just stepped all the way the fuck up since he cut that. You know, he had a big-ass forehead pause.

He cut his hair off. He cut that ass, bro. He cut his ass for a fourth. That nigga been going wild. So I don't really see this going long. And not only that, Boston's been home wrestling, getting some good rest.

I never want to put a Donovan Mitchell team in a bad situation, but this is a bad situation. I'll say six if somebody gets hurt, but I don't see this going past five games whatsoever. So I see Boston in five. As far as the game last night, I was asleep. I didn't watch it.

I didn't really care. Donovan was going crazy. I heard it was a close game and they pulled away at the end. He had 39, but Baranchero had 38. Heard it was a good game. I'm not going to lie,

I didn't watch it. Didn't care to. Okay. Well, also to Sen's point, if things aren't retrograde, everything has just been all over the place. So at this point,

I can't even make a prediction as to what's going to happen next because we're surprised every single day. All right, y'all. So we're going to go to break. When we return, we will discuss the Mavs versus the Clippers. Don't go anywhere. She call this thing about toxic Four years and counting Got you feeling like an option Maybe I'm her own problem, babe

She tired of hearing, I don't know. My stubborn in me won't fall. Dealing with this thing called trust. But she really thinking about wanting me free. Why am I in this one? Welcome back. Now let's get into our Underdog Fantasy picks of the day. Tonight, the Pacers will play the Knicks. So just so y'all know, y'all have the same record at nine and six. So we're keeping count of what you guys choose.

Underdog Fantasy has Tyrese Halliburton at four and a half first quarter points. Do you have him higher or lower, Mace? Yeah, he go to tiebreaker. Higher. Yeah, I'm real high. Okay. Jalen Brunson's at 48 and Higher. Yeah, more higher. Okay. Jalen Brunson's at 48 and a half points, rebounds, and assists.

Do you have him higher or lower, Cam? Higher. Points and assists? Mm-hmm. Higher. Okay. And Josh Hart is at 12 and a half rebounds. Do you have him higher or lower, Mace?

Lower. Or higher. Okay. That might be the one to change the stat. We'll see. You said Josh Hart yeah I'm like

12 I got 17 rebounds the other night man you're right you sticking to your answer yeah okay we'll see what happens

download the underdog fantasy app and you can make your picks too let's talk about a previous game the Mavs eliminated the Clippers 114 to 101 in game six. Just in general, this game had a lot of discussion, but all the stuff going on social media, people weren't talking about it as much as they should have.

What do you guys think about that game? Well, I mean, it played out exactly like I said it would. Well, I mean, it played out exactly like I said it would. Kyrie might have the new move to replace Iverson when he stepped over Ty Lue. You saw the move that he put on. I forgot the dude's name. DJ Tucker. DJ Tucker, yeah, that's my guy from Philly. But Kyrie put him in the blender, hit the three.

I was like, oh, my goodness. They're out of here. And Paul George, I got to give you a call, Paul. Come on, man. You can't have us up here saying you're the GOAT. And y'all go out like this. This is not GOAT behavior. And Kawhi, I don't know what they're going to do with Kawhi. And what else? James Harden. I told you this as well're going to do with Kawhi and what else.

James Harden, I told you this as well, right? I told you he fades in the playoffs. Killers said no. He normally does that in the Western Conference Finals. But this is not the Western Conference Final, and they didn't get it done. And I said this would come back to be a problem for Westbrook. And everything I said about this Clevers team. Y'all made the man change the logo.

Like Killer said on a break, he got y'all a stadium. This is not how you repair nigga kindness. This is definitely a come on my nigga moment. We need this. This is definitely.

Come on. I changed the logo for y'all niggas. I get y'all niggas your own gym. And this is what y'all do. Y'all let Kyrie come in here and do this to y'all niggas. And all of y'all are from L.A. This is crazy. And don't try to call

this no East-West stuff. This is basketball. You know, niggas love to try to make it an East-West thing when you got a point. Yeah. Yeah, Steve Ballmer,

the owner, I'd be pissed too, man. Look, you know how many years that nigga's been talking about the Clippers got to get out the Lakers arena. You're never going to win anything until you get out the Lakers arena. You go in there, it's the Clippers game.

It's the Clippers shit on the floor. But you look up in the band, this is all Lakers shit. Steve Ballmer said, let's change that. Get y'all your own arena. Change the logo. There's everything else. And we were saying this early in the year

that if the Clippers end up winning, the best basketball players may be from Southern California. Yeah. But they didn't win. And I don't know why your name is Playoff P because you never do anything to get to the championship. James Harden, I can't even really argue with Mace because you faded as well. So I

can't even go back and forth with him about that. Russell Westbrook, you can see the frustration on his face. One of the games, I don't know if it was last game, he slung Luka around and wanted to fight a nigga and push the referee off. And this really boils down to it must be driven by Kawhi Lennon because if it isn't driven by Kawhi Leonard the rest of y'all just can't get it done and I'm not saying that in a disrespectful way I'm only calling what I see because when Kawhi Leonard was playing and wasn't injured

y'all actually crept up to the number one seed in the Western Conference where everybody was playing and healthy so when he's not there it seems like y'all can't get it done without him will he ever be there? For the last four or five years he's been very inconsistent at being available for the playoffs even let alone being available for the regular season so as much as i like kawaii lennon and i love the way he plays and look he got canada they only championship ever played long time tim duncan tony parker got

vp one of those years. It's been a while. It's been a while and it's been injury on top of injury and we haven't seen Kawhi Leonard to the best of his ability. So I don't think this goes well for the Clippers moving forward. I don't know who you move around.

I don't know what you bring in. I don't know what happens. I'm not the GM and I wouldn't want to be the GM to have to deal with all this. But I did see Paul George post-game, and he was like, yo, you know, the team's just still in it, been together for a while, at least three, four years, man. And they got chemistry, and we got to get that together.

We don't have that. No, man. Kyrie just got with Luka last year. Yeah. They just. Dogs. Yeah, yo, bro. It wasn't like they've been together three, four years.

He said this postgame. All the games left in it. You know, they've been in it three, four years. Jalen Prince-Franco just got there two years ago, man. Julius Randle ain't even playing. They ain't got the chemistry that they need. What are you talking about, bro? Oh, but them niggas from the East Coast.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's what I'm saying, bro. Like, nah, don't use that. Don't use that. Niggas got the chemistry and the camaraderie. Okay. Nah, nigga.

Kyrie had two blocks. You know how much energy a nigga 6'1", Paul's got to be out there getting blocks on niggas 6'5". Exactly. I'll give you Boston. I'll give you Denver. And I'll give you OKC. Everybody else just trying to figure it out, nigga. Yeah.

Don't talk about everybody left been together three, four, five years. Nah, y'all lost Y'all lost and you don't really know what the future holds So what you're trying to do is say Don't break us up Give us some time to stay together Because maybe we need some chemistry Oh baby, give me one more chance

And all that Exactly So I didn't like what he said post-game They gonna break the Jacksons up. That's what it sounded like. Are you over the low management now that this has happened? Can we be done with low management? I don't know, to be honest with you.

Because it ain't working the last couple of years. That's what I was going to say. I don't know how... And when we say low management pause, I'm trying to figure out who it works for and who it doesn't because obviously it's not working for Kyrie

I mean pardon me Kawhi yeah it only worked that one year yeah so I don't know exactly why we're still using that period

I was having this conversation with who the fuck I was talking to of course I was arguing with Sen that's what I was thinking about and I was talking to? Of course I was arguing with him. And I was explaining to him how the NBA and players and certain people and not everybody were

lobbying to try to move the NBA season to 70 games. I'm like, oh, it's too many games. We're wearing each other out and it's getting too much. And I'm like, look. And they always be like, well, back in the day, look, many games we're wearing each other out and it's getting too much and i'm like look and they just always be like well back in the day look 80s 90s in the early style niggas play 82 games yeah and

even if they was hurt they'll play 60 69 70 75 games were hurt and they didn't have half the technology half the medicine half the doctors half the rehabilitation, half the medicine, half the doctors, half the rehabilitation that y'all got accessible to y'all today. Y'all niggas got this accessible to y'all today. Niggas was taking that shot of what? Corazine? What's that shit?

Corazone. And getting the fuck back out there. Y'all niggas got doctors, y'all got x-rays, y'all got all type of shit. Y'all niggas got tape. All type of shit. All type got tape. All type of shit. All type of machines.

Yo, space shit. They take the space and y'all want to narrow the season down to 70 games? Nah, y'all fucking not entertaining up. I'd be depressed between July

and the late August until NFL preseason come on. You know what you got to do to find entertainment sports-wise for me? I'm not the biggest baseball fan. I'm going to Summer League. I'm looking at WNBA.

I'm finding the big three games. Not saying all that isn't entertainment, but I'm just looking forward to what I'm used to growing up. So don't be trying to cut the shit down to 70 games a year when you got all these doctors, medicine, rehabilitation, etc.

So to answer your question, Mace, I don't know if load management should be taken out or not. I know obviously it's not working for Kawhi, but I'm telling you these niggas is already

trying to fight to keep the season down to 70 games and I don't like it. Who started that? Popovich? Load management? Pause.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think Pop was just doing some sucker shit because that's the year that... Yeah, Ginobili and all of them. Yeah, and he didn't let them play on Christmas on a nationally televised game.

And they said, reason for... Yo, niggas said, you know how they got the reason why Tim Duncan ain't play like hurt knee, back, pensioner, whatever. Niggas said, you know how they got the reason why Tim Duncan ain't playing? Like, hurt knee, back, pinching or whatever. Niggas put, he's old. Bob won't give a fuck.

Niggas put, he's old. Niggas said, all right, we fine. We need $250,000. We playing games. Bob was honest, though. Bob wasn't playing. Right. Okay.

And then there were a lot of reports that russell westbrook wanted to leave the clippers he said although he is open on sharing his thoughts and ideas a lot of these reports have been fabricated so he posted a whole ig story post basically addressing clippers nation and just a quote from it he said i felt that i was and remain more willing to take on new roles and make certain sacrifices and hope that it would make our team better. So hypothetically speaking, should Westbrook want to leave the Clippers or remain and help build on what they already got? Well, this goes actually back to our initial conversation at the top of the year, believing that this was going to be a bad choice

because it's something that happens when you take yourself out of the lineup, you take yourself out of the pause, the rotation, and then after you're out of that rotation and you're older, it's harder to get back in the rotation because now we've already have developed this team without you in it. So now he's finding himself recognizing that taking a high road didn't work. And now he's trying to figure it out. But I think this team has definitely some holes in it.

And to fix it, they're going to have the person I always thought should have made the change was James Harden. I always believed that because the type of player James Harden is, he can get that same number and those same points whether he start or not. But if you start Russell Westbrook, he's going to play better. Some players are just going to give you the same thing, no matter if they come off the bench or whatever. And somebody like you, you bugging me. So you're not going to start James Harden. It's not that he's not a starter.

It's just how we're going to win. If they was to put more emphasis on the dude, man, pause, play him and then let James Harden come in and shoot as much as he want. He was still get his 30 and 40, but he would get it in a way that it would help the team and not hurt the team. But, you know, that's just basketball.

Just because you're the best player doesn't mean we win what you get in those numbers, and I think that's something a lot of NBA players don't understand. I don't know where he goes if he doesn't leave. I would say stay there and figure it out because as good as Russell Westbrook is, averaged a triple-double for more than one season, league MVP, definitely going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer. In the last four years, you played for four teams and you're becoming a journeyman. league MVP, definitely going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer.

In the last four years, you played for four teams and you're becoming a journeyman. It would be terrible for Russell Westbrook to be considered a journeyman. You know,

it'd be crazy. You got this long stint with Oklahoma, City Thunder, then you go to Houston, then you go to the Wizards, then you go to the Lakers, now you're with the Clippers.

Now if you leave the Clippers, we're going to... No, I don't want that for Russell Westbrook Wizards, then you go to the Lakers. Now you're with the Clippers. Now if you leave the Clippers, we're going to, I don't want that for Russell Westbrook. That's where you should go back to though. OKC. Maybe,

but do you want to disrupt that young chemistry right there? You know, you don't want to interrupt what some young niggas got going on and not saying every team

don't need veterans because they do, but, you know, for a long time, that was believed why Carmmelo anthony didn't get a job when he was still trying to get a job it's because people have so much respect players that is but carmelo anthony younger players that is and they would say the gms and coaches would say

damn we don't want to bring carmelo here and have him the 10th man on the bench, and these niggas is his idol. And they're like, yo, why Mello ain't in there? We're like, we're trying to build something with y'all, and they sitting there gloating over Mello. And you don't want, when you got a young core with OKC doing what they're doing now, and Russell Westbrook comes back,

and it may disrupt the chemistry, and I don't think Russell Westbrook's that type of person to try to disrupt chemistry. I think his personality, for especially being the person that says, I'm going to come off the bench, speaks against that. But sometimes players are in awe

of people they grew up watching to where they can't understand it. And I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'm not saying he should go there either. I really have no idea where he should go, but I know you leave again. I don't want to consider Russell Westbrook in my eyes

a journeyman. You're on the verge of it. Yeah, I was just thinking that those are where his better years were at. So when he retired, he definitely should retire at OKC because that's where his story is. Well, yeah, of course,

the other best years, there's no disagreement in that, but it's like when Alveson, at the end of his career, came back to the Sixers, he was like, damn, man, this ain't what we wanted, man. Like, this ain't the Alveson I wanted.

No, it's not Boba Chuck. That's the boy. That's the homie. Love you, bro. But I'm just saying, you got to think he went to Detroit. Then he went, believed to Memphis.

Then he wasn't playing for a while. Then the Sixers brought him back, but it wasn't the Iverson that we were used to. Kevin Garnett, leave Minnesota, go to Boston, end up going to Brooklyn,

grab some more paper, everything else. Go back to Minnesota in the last two years. And I get it if that's where you're going to retire, but you're not looking at the Kevin Garnett that we've seen the first 10 or how many years he's been there.

We're not looking at the Iverson that we've seen the first 10 years when he goes back to sixes that we've seen when he first came to the NBA. So if you're doing it as a pity party, sure. But I don't think Russell Westbrook is at the point Iverson or Kevin Garnett was at in their career. I think he has a lot of basketball left to play.

It's about what's going to work for him. Yeah, that's true. I think he would do well. Him or Chris Paul would do well with the Spurs. I'm not mad at that either.

They need a lot of experience. They need somebody with that kind of experience. Yeah, and I don't know if they could play together or be good together, but think about that. You got Chris Paul in the back, Russell Westbrook at the two,

you know, and with Wimby, I think that, I'm not saying it's going to make a lot of noise in the West, but they'll win more than 13, 14 games. I would say that. They'll definitely start winning. Right.

Okay, and then the more that we have these discussions, I'm realizing how crazy the weekend was 13, 14 games. I would say that. They'll definitely start winning. Right. Okay. And then the more that we have these discussions, I'm realizing how crazy the weekend was because you guys discuss how Darvin Ham may have to go. And that's exactly what happened. So the Lakers fired him and apparently all of his coaching staff. What do you guys think of that decision made? This just lets us know that people are watching us more than I thought.

I thought people was laughing, but it's looking like they might need us to give us a GM job, killer. A consultant or something, because niggas is running with a lot of ideas. I heard the candidates who are going to be coaching, they need to do something. Be honest with you. I didn't want to cut you.

You finished? Yeah. What I want to say is this. We need to start a petition for Mark Jackson. Yeah. Look, I'm going to figure it out tomorrow. I'm going to have a petition that we can start signing for Mark Jackson to at least get an interview with these teams with no coaches because he hasn't been given

the opportunity since he left Golden State. We all see what he did with Golden State. The following year when he left, they won a championship and become a dynasty. So basically, you're raising a child and they leave the house at 17 years old and they turn into a superstar and the parents are getting left behind and forgot about. He turned these niggas into who they are and no disrespect to Steve Kerr, but you know. He took over in the playoffs. What you mean? Steve Kerr.

What you mean? When he took over the team, it was in the playoffs. I don't remember when it was. I just know for the point is Mark Jackson needs an opportunity to at least get an interview with some of these teams because the candidates, let me tell you the three candidates that they're talking about that could possibly take Darwin Ham's job with the Lakers. First of all, the first candidate they said

was tyloo tyloo's a whole fucking coach for the clippers like he's a whole fucking coach with somebody else they asked tyloo look your name may be thrown in for the lakers tyloo said i don't really know about that but it always feels good for us to be wanting the next candidate was jason kidd he's in the second round of the playoffs like yo how is these two niggas the candidates for the laker job when they are full coaches of other teams and they like their contract is up and they like they that the jason kidd isn't still fucking coaching the Dallas Mavericks who's about to play the Oklahoma City Thunder. How are these people candidates?

And the last candidate, J.J. Redick, the new podcast partner of LeBron James with no coaching experience. Zero coaching experience. So these are the three candidates that's thrown out there. It's not actual fact, but these are the three candidates that's thrown out there. You know, it's not actual fact,

but these are the names that's been thrown around. Jason Kidd, the head coach of the Dallas Mavericks. Ty Lue, the head coach of the Clippers. And JJ Redick, the podcast partner of LeBron James

with zero coaching experience. But Mark Jackson can't get an interview? We're going to start a petition. Just for an interview. Just get him an interview. That's all I'm saying because when I heard these names, I thought it was ridiculous.

Back to Darwin Ham. I'm not mad at J.J. Reddick. If J.J. Reddick could be the coach, then I could be the consultant. I'm not mad at anybody who could go get a check, but I'm saying if we...

Why are you laughing, Stat? No, because you had to throw yourself in there. I mean, if they're giving... If they're being... If they're going with people who just know their stuff, you know?

And people... And I'm actually giving them credit. I'm saying there's new people that know their stuff. Steve Nash... And they may be on, you know, unconventional.

Steve Nash just came in with no experience. How'd that go? How'd that work out? But you know what? The two people that they named, Tyrone Lue and Jason Kidd, these are two people that

they were supposed to get the job before. Before it was him. Yeah, absolutely. So they just doubled back and they like, didn't they get coached in Dallas? Where you want to be? Dallas or LA, nigga? it was him. Yeah, absolutely. So they just doubled back and they like, the nigga coaching Dallas. Where you want to be? Dallas or LA, nigga?

Yeah, and Dallas is a, niggas sleep on Dallas. I love Dallas. Dallas is a sexy city. They saying LA is the dream job. That's what they basically saying. The coach, the Los Angeles Lakers

is a dream job. So if you could coach the Lakers, you would leave the Clippers to coach the Lakers. You would leave Dallas to coach the Lakers. Would you? No. You wouldn't? No.

Just because it's quote unquote supposed to be the dream job, it may end up a nightmare for you. You got just a dream job. Yeah, if LeBron's there, I'm not going there to coach. Yeah, it's the dream job to coach the Cowboys. Cowboys ain't won since 94. You know, I get what you're saying. It's a historic franchise.

Yeah. And to have this job would be amazing because it's stuff that, as coaches, this is what you dream. Or as kids, to play for the Lakers or play for the Cowboys, that's like the dream job. But if it don't work out, it can also be a damn nightmare. It won't be a dream. It'll be not just a dream. It'll turn into a nightmare because, look, let's think about it. Darwin hadn't been there two years.

He got a four-year contract. He's going to get paid two years for not even coaching. You know who's super dope? Who got how to get them checks? Mike Brown. Mike Brown had got fired from Cleveland. So Cleveland started to pay him.

Went to the Lakers for a year. They fired him. So now Cleveland and Lakers was paying him. Then became the assistant coach for the Golden State Warriors. So he's getting three checks at one time

for three different teams. So if you're going to be there for a minute, and then you're going to be there and your job isn't secure, it could fuck your life up moving forward if you don't have a good reputation. Now, for instance, right? We're doing him. Would you want doing him right now?

I'm not saying yes or no. I'm just saying you're like, I don't know if I'm going to fuck with Darman Hand right now. And we don't know what's going to happen this series with Minnesota and the Nuggets. But let's be for real.

You lost to the champions last year. You went to the Western Conference Finals and lost to the niggas who took it. So I'm not mad at you for that. Then you lose this year to the niggas who won last year So I'm not maddening for that. Then you lose this year to the niggas who won last year. And not only did you just lose, you lost on two buzzer beaters.

So it wasn't like y'all got smacked every game. I don't really think it was called for for Darwin Ham to get fired, but that's something between the players, the GM, Anthony Davis, that threw him under the bus after a game one year. Maybe it was more going on,

but if we're going purely off basketball, you lost to the niggas who took it. That's what I'm saying. It isn't like you lost to somebody who didn't win the championship. Well, when the Lakers lose, it's only going to be the Anthony Davis or the coach. They're not going to blame LeBron. So he had to go. Yeah. And're not going to blame LeBron. So, he had to go.

And then going back to it, I think the potential candidate that shocks people kind of the most right now is JJ Redick, especially because they do have a podcast. So like,

do you guys see that going south? Do you think that there's more of an upside? And do you see that as being fair if he is granted the head coach position? I think once Lebron brought him did the podcast with him and stamped them as a brilliant basketball mind that him getting the

job is almost like that was a part of them doing the podcast to me. LeBron still throwing his weight around, as he should. If you could get away with shit, get away with shit. That's just the way it is, bro. And if you could, you could. Look, it's no way to me, and I'm not saying skill-wise or anything else,

anything else-wise, that his son should not be in the NBA next year. You're not going to sit here and tell me that Giannis' brother is in the NBA and my son can't get in the NBA. That's just that. That's good. That's just that, bro. Because at the end of the day, my son got him. And we're going to sit here and use Giannis.

So Giannis got more pull than me? That's going to sit here and use Giannis. Wait more. So Giannis got more pull than me. That's what y'all saying. Giannis. Giannis. What's my nigga name? Soulja Boy. Soulja Boy.

Giannis. Yeah. Soulja Boy. Giannis. His brother got a spot. Get my son a spot. And his mother got a deal. Yeah. Yeah. So at the end of spot. And his mother got a deal. Yeah, yeah.

So at the end of it. They're mamas. Exactly. So we have to realize that this is LeBron James doing his weight around, seeing other niggas do it, and the nigga said, I'm still here, don't forget, nigga. So I'm not knocking it.

Okay, well, in the comments, let us know who you guys think the Lakers should be looking at for head coach position. But that is all the time that we have for today. Thanks for watching. And as always, it is what it is. What you want, nigga? Everything nigga supersize Two big necks Like when they doing them two for five