IT IS WHAT IT IS - ANTHONY EDWARDS SAID THIS LEAGUE IS MINE!! | S4 EP.6

Episode Date: April 30, 2024

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It's a reunion, hello y'all Uh I was selling crack on a private jet, I've been to hell and back But no confusion, it's a reunion Hello y'all, welcome back Your murder here, he counting money He said, can't man, the hell we're at I'm only here to shit on niggas and piss on bitches

Welcome ass, I bought jewelry And bikes, nigga, black Benz's And white Vigas, now I'm out here And I'm looking for more chandeliers And light fixtures, nah I don't like niggas, what's wrong with me? I'm a high nigga, but this 44 Welcome back to It Is What It Is. This episode is sponsored by Underdog Fantasy. The app is an easy way to make some cash just by making picks on your favorite players. Underdog is available in more than 30 states, including California, Texas, and New York, just to name a few. Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio

and downloading the Underdog Fantasy app. They'll also match your first deposit up to $100, and you get a special pick when you sign up. I'm Treasure Wilson, aka Stat Baby, along with your hosts, Mace and Cam. What's up? What's up, killer? What's up, Stat? What's good, Joe? How y'all? Everything all right? What's up, what's up, killer? What's up, stat? What's good, Joe? How y'all? Everything all right? What's the world? Yeah, it's chilling, man.

You know, the broom is out. I can't wait to talk about it. Niggas back in the days used to really bring the broom out. I remember Mark Jackson and them niggas with the niggas. I got to talk to Mark about that. I think they swept Philly and they act. This one games used to be five series. They won 3-0 and they had the broom. I got to ask Mark about that.

Yeah. You can't do that, man. You probably get fined $2 million and all that dumb shit. But you was allowed to bring the broom out after the game and start sweeping on niggas i missed that maybe we need the trash pan don't even bring the broom just have the dust pan the dust pan yeah niggas know what they saw fanning they stuff with the dust pan you know what's going on bring that back okay so let's discuss the Timberwolves they eliminated the Suns after a 122-115 win for the first sweep in Wolves

history how do you guys feel about the way the Suns went out I want to hear what Cam gotta say first of all cause this is his guy you know this is his guy you know is he still dipset after this? That's what I

want to know. That's a fact. I'm loyal to my niggas. It don't matter if you win, lose, or draw. Once you're part of my team, you're part of my team. I know you may not feel the same about certain niggas, but I'm not one of them niggas. I like that. I just wanted to hear it from you.

The people want me to ask you that. I'm just saying that may be your thing. Like, yo, that nigga ain't rocking. I don't fuck with him. But yeah, that's my man. That's still my man. Look, at the end of the day, I don't have a lot of friends with $450 million.

That's my man. Yeah, that's my friend. Absolutely. But as far as the game is concerned, look, it was bad. That was pretty bad, man. It was pretty bad. Look, the Timberwolves looked like they wanted this after game two. I didn't have any hope in Phoenix winning this series whatsoever off the body language.

You know what I'm saying? I could see the body language was gone. And I don't think that it's been right all season. Bradley Beal never really seemed like he fit in with the team. We haven't been talking about Devin Booker. We haven't been getting to Devin Booker that we was talking about the previous two or three years. Kevin Durant, he wasn't the same Kevin Durant that I was just used to seeing all these years. used to seeing all these years. And it looked like Ant-Man imposed his will on this whole series, along with Carl Anthony Towns and the rest of the supporting cast as well. What a lot of people don't realize is that they have a really, really great seasoned veteran point guard.

And it may not come to life all the time, but Mike Conley does. But he's been around for a long time, playoff series, and may have never made it to a championship, but he has a lot of experience. And I believe it was two games ago, and he was on the sideline talking, and he was mic'd up, and he was like, yeah, Ant-Man is getting it. He understands what he needs to do now. And that speaks volumes for what goes on possibly in a locker room, talks, if they're

cool or not. What you can tell is more camaraderie and more conversation in the Minnesota locker room than probably in the Phoenix locker room or outside the locker room. Like we always talk about how players don't necessarily hang out or be cool with each other. And it seems like once practice is over in Phoenix or game is over, everybody goes their way and they'll see each other again whenever it's time to play basketball. Well, it doesn't seem like that with Minnesota. It seems like very family oriented. And I have no idea if none of this is what I'm saying is true or not. But camaraderie speaks volumes.

And it looks like they have a lot of camaraderie. But Ant-Man did his thing. He had nine points in the first half. Wasn't really playing well. Went in the locker room, changed the sneakers. Came out at 31 in the second half. Carl Anthony Towns, 25 points, 10 rebounds. Those two did what they needed to do this series.

And congratulations to the Minnesota Timberwolves. Really, really good job. I'm looking forward to seeing what's going to happen with them in Denver in the next round. Yeah, this was like a historic weekend for basketball. Just looking at them get their first

sweep. I was actually asking you that jokingly. You know, Karen Duran is one of my favorite players. You know I'm fucking with you. Yeah, all the time. All the time.

But this is very interesting. It might be the changing of the guys. Like we talked about earlier in the season that these young guys, shout out to them, they came out and did what they supposed to do to change the narrative and say, we're going into a new historical times where Minnesota is now the team that's sweeping people. I've never lived to see that. So this is really great. And what stood out to me the most was Bradley Bill. Bradley Bill only had nine points and he had a bunch of turnovers

and just never looked comfortable out there. And I remember when that thing happened with James Harden and whoever the young lady was, I said, this was the turning point in the season. I remember I said it, and now today I can see it. It's something that happened. It's going to come out that's going to let us know what happened to this extremely talented Phoenix Sun team. There's no way you put Bradley Bill, Kevin Durant, and Book on the same team, give them bowl, ball, and get swept.

There's just no way. This just makes no sense. bowl ball and get swept. There's just no way. This just makes no sense. If I'm a GM, you got to be scratching your head thinking what to do with this team because there's a certain pride that players of this caliber is supposed to have. Each one of them have the ability to win one game by themselves. So there's no way they go out there and lose four games straight to the same

team without making adjustments. That's what I would say. Because Kevin Durant had 33, and it was like Bible numbers today. Everybody had 33, 40, 49. It was just crazy. It was good basketball, though. Did you see the dunk? We can't leave that out.

I know we cool with KD. We cannot leave that dunk out. That was a dunk for the ages. He definitely could use that for his highlight tape. Did you see the dunk, Killer? Or you just were brushing it under the rug? No, I seen it. I'm not brushing anything under the rug. No, I've seen it. I'm not brushing anything under the rug.

It was amazing. A-Man's a really great player for a 22-year-old. Very poised. Knows when he needs to turn it on, when he needs to turn it on. Athletic. Very intelligent for a 22-year-old as well. And he knows that he's the machine on this team and needs to get it going.

And the dunk was phenomenal. I thought it was crazy. I actually thought he got fouled on the dunk. Bradley Beal actually hit him on the head. So the dunk was phenomenal. We're looking at what Minnesota is realizing that they have two phenomenal big men along with their defensive prowess is amazing.

Even down to the final five, six seconds of the game, the game was sealed. Devin Booker went to shoot a layup. They were down six points for probably five seconds left and they boarded his shit. They punched his shit. Their defensive potency is very, very underrated if nobody's paying attention to it. And having those two big men with Carl Anthony Towns and what's my French nigga name?

I don't know why I can't think of his name off the top of my head right now. Rudy Gobert? Yeah, Rudy Gobert. It's not going to be enough for a lot of teams. You see Nurkic couldn't do anything with it. And then what happens is you end up with Kevin Durant trying to play a four position, and that's not really what he does. saying that, you know, we need a big man who can shoot a three or this, that, and third. This is going to show that sometime the big men still are going to count, and each team needs to get the one. Because not necessarily Rudy Gobert, but Carl Anthony Towns can shoot the three when he's open.

So I'm really, really looking forward to see what happens in the next round with them. But there's no excuses. If I, like Mace said, if you're a GM for Phoenix, you have to wonder what's going on. And I would assume that they wouldn't want to loom through on their home court. I was there last year when they lost to Denver on their home court. And that shit was sad. It was sad. I can imagine the feeling tonight because at least they won two games last year with Denver.

But I believe they checked out a long time ago to me. Me personally, I believe they checked out before the season ago to me. Me personally, I believe they checked out before the season, before the playoffs even started, my personal opinion. But then looking at their body language throughout the playoffs, this first round, you could tell it was over. They was waiting to go on vacation, my personal opinion.

Okay, so because of this win, a lot of people are looking at Anthony Edwards right now. So RG3 tweeted, Anthony Edwards will be league MVP next year. He is the new face of the NBA the people have been waiting for. Do you agree?

Yeah, I said that. I said that last game. I said, Ant-Man is starting to give off Paul's Jordan vibes. Like, remember when Jordan first came in the league? And I don't even think it was, yeah, it could have been this early. Jordan was around, I think, 22 when he was just going crazy.

How do you think Jordan was, Killer, when he first got in the league going crazy? He was going crazy. Well, he left as a junior, so he was 21 when he got to the league. He got rookie of the year. I would say probably about his second or third year he was a problem. He's right on course. And not only...

Not to cut you off, Mace, but Jordan wasn't necessarily doing winning playoff games just yet, neither. We all knew he was going to be a problem, but he was getting beat by the Cleveland Cavaliers and Larry Bird and them early in his career in the playoffs, too.

So, I'm not comparing Anthony Edwards to Jordan whatsoever, but to even win a playoff series this early in his career, not just win a playoff series, win it against the Phoenix Suns, who we thought was going to be in the Western

Conference final and sleep there. It's definitely amazing. But Jordan came into the league as a junior, so he's probably 21 years old when he got in the league. Yeah, that's what I meant by Jordan vibes. It was clear that nobody could guard him.

Nobody. And I think Ant-Man is starting to show that. It doesn't look like anybody's really checking him. Not Six Rings Jordan, but you know, early Hammer and Bone Jordan. And then Cam, how do you feel about RG3's tweet?

I don't give a fuck what RG3 be saying, to be honest with you. I don't really fuck with that nigga like that, because he be saying a lot of shit just to be good. Just to make the media. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I don't really fuck with that nigga like that. He be sprinting in three-piece suits, running the 40, and all type of shit with his suit on.

And listen, I'm not going to say and act like I was a pro in anything, but what I'm doing now in music. But I'm a champion in everything I do, nigga. I'm over 12 million records sold. When you go platinum, that's a championship. I got 12 championships. Talk, Taylor.

I don't fuck with RG3. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I got 12,. I don't fuck with all G3 elitists. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I got 12 under the belt. Collectively. You know what I'm saying? At the end of the day, I don't really be pumping that nigga because he say a lot of shit. I don't know. Was he the same nigga that said

Kyle Lowry was dead? Then he said the other shit. Then he said the other shit. He comes on calling Michael Penance, Michael Penix. Yeah. I don't really like... He be reaching to me. And I don't really respect what he be saying

because he do a lot. It's clickbait. As far as being an analyst, I think he... If you do your homework and study and do what you're supposed to do and you take this job serious, that you can be a great analyst. If you put moving forward as a career, but you know,

he's supposed to be one of these analysts. That's a former player and he didn't have the best career in the world. And I'm not going to sit here. They say a lot of analysts had the best career in the world. And I'm not going to sit here and say a lot of analysts had the best career in the world. You know, you got Kendrick Perkins, who's one of my favorite analysts on television. And he's a champion. But he averaged like six points for his career. You know what I'm saying?

So as far as RG3 is concerned, I don't really talk with that nigga. You know, he was looking like he's going to be that nigga when he came in the NFL he didn't know how to fall he kept sliding and getting hit in the head he had a very short career but as far as and I thought he would be great I thought that RG 3 was going to be everything

that Michael Vick was at the time you know what I'm saying and he just didn't turn out to be that way. But as far as an analyst, I think he do a lot of shit for clickbait.

I think he's very intelligent, very smart. And what happens is, me, and I don't mean any disrespect, but it's just like, you know when the nerds try to be cool

and they don't really be coming off cool because they a nerd? You be like, that wasn't funny, my nigga. You know you're in a nerd category. That's how I look at RG3. So I don't really give a fuck what RG3 said to me personally.

Honestly. Noted. Okay, so let's discuss the Knicks. They beat the Sixers 97-92. The Knicks are leading the series 3-1. Just in general, how do you guys feel about the Knicks' progress throughout this entire season before we even get into the Sixers? I think it's almost that time to bring the Knick jackets out

and the Knick t-shirts because that boy Brunson is having a historic— that's what I meant about historical night. I mean mean this weekend he's he's he's having the best um he's he's displaying the best guard play i've ever seen from a nick guard ever i'm gonna go on the record and say ever like at first it was a joke earlier and sin kept bringing it up but as you start watching the games, I don't remember a New York guard having a better season than him. I mean, in a postseason, like I don't remember when. I know Tiny Archibald, but that's about it. But for our living time, like that we're able to see as teenagers and all of that.

I don't remember anybody having a better postseason. Do you, Killer? As a Nick guard? Not off the top of my head, I can't. Yeah, because I'm thinking Gerald Wilkins definitely was better than that. Only person that really got busy was Mark Jackson. But with him getting 49 and all of that, I don't remember nobody getting that crazy.

He's getting crazy with Philly. And to think that Tyrese Maxey and him could have been on the same team is scary. That's really scary to think about. I told y'all, though, but they didn't need Joel Embiid. I did say that. They were playing better without Joel. Joel was slowing the game up.

Even though he's a dominant player, he's slowing the game up. I'm going on the record. I like Joel Embiid, but they was playing better without Joel. And they're going home. And that, too. And they're going home. And that too. And they're going home. Kayla, what you got to say to that? First of all, Tiny Archibald never played with the Knicks.

We'll start there. So we don't even want to put Tiny Archibald in the equation. I don't know why you would say that because he's from Harlem. He's from New York. Well, that's not what you said. You said the Knicks as a franchise and he never played for the Knicks. Yeah, I said he's from New York. No, you didn't.

Instead, did he say for the franchise you never seen a Knicks player play this good? I don't ever remember a New York. I said New York Knicks. Why would we just be there? And he never played for the Knicks. So why would you put him in the equation? Because he's the only New York guard that had comparable numbers. He's the only New York guard that had comparable numbers.

That wasn't the topic. We weren't comparable. He's the only New York guard that had comparable numbers. That wasn't the topic. Even though he didn't play for the Knicks. It wasn't comparable. Cam, sometimes my brain is faster than my mouth, Cam. Pause. You know?

Wow. I think fast. Wow, let me just turn this around. I think fast. Let me just turn this around. Let me just put that right here. Your brain is faster than your mouth. It's crazy. I'm just going to start doing this.

Eat one of those. Way to sell it. We'll leave it right here. Yeah. We'll leave it right here for now. Because since your brain is faster than your mouth, we'll leave the habit right here. Wow.

And you know what? You're right. Because look what you just said. I think your mouth pours faster than your brain. But to me, what Mason's saying is absolutely correct. As far as not New York city players, but New York City, New York Knicks guards. I can't think of one off the top of my head.

And with Jalen Brunson is nothing doing this, nothing short of amazing. We have to think about how we were saying he wasn't playing good the first two games and he still had 22 points. Still with 22 points, he still wasn't playing good the first two games and he still had 22 points still with 22 points he still wasn't playing good uh last game they lost he had 39 um last night he actually set a franchise record for most points by a new york player period in the postseason he passed bernard king bernard king i believe had 46 and he had 47. So he already has the record as a New York Knick for most points in the playoffs. We have to think about what a historic

franchise this is, whether it's Patrick Ewing, whether it's Carmelo Anthony, whether it's Stephon Marbury or whoever else we can name. Bernard King. Latrell Sprewell. Latrell Sprewell, Allen Houston. He has the most points in the postseason,

so that's nothing short of amazing. But just New Yorkers with the odds, I want to give them a lot of credit because this game, what happens is this whole series, before we get to this game, the Sixers build up a 10-point lead, a double-digit lead every game of this series, and when Joel Embi we get to this game, the Sixers build up a 10-point lead, a double-digit lead,

every game of this series. And when Joel Embiid goes to the bench, the Knicks go on a run to catch up or stay close or take the lead or whatsoever, and Philly can't recover. As soon as Joel Embiid goes to the bench every game of the series, the lead diminishes. So with that being said, it's up to Nick Nurse to figure out what to do because you can't play Joel Embiid all 48 minutes.

I mean, the guy's playing with a fucked-up knee, Bell's palsy, if I'm pronouncing that right. I'm giving him a lot of credit for even just being out there because I think he's tired of hearing the rumblings that he's always hurt, never there. But to Mason's credit, he probably shits to them. But a nigga like me, I respect it. But he looks a shell of himself out there.

He's jogging slow up the court. He's still making the shots. Had a productive night, 27 points. But it's just too much Nick tenacity on defense. That last five minutes of the game last night was just the Knicks imposing their will on Philadelphia

defensively. They wouldn't let them get a shot off. They were challenging everything. They were closing out. The defense on the Knicks is tremendous, especially in the last five minutes. And even when the other players who've done well, like Hart.

Hart didn't have a great night shooting. He had four points, but he had 17 rebounds. Adam, OG. I don't want to say his last name. I'm just going to call him OG. He was imposing. He was going to be like, I got an injured nigga. I'm going to take advantage of that. He had 14 rebounds.

And the Knicks looked like they wanted more than Philly wanted it. And not only that, it was times during that game that I thought they were playing in Madison Square Garden. You got to give it up to the Knicks fans. They traveled to Philly. It's not a long ride, an hour and a half. But it was times where God damn, I thought we was

in the garden. Even Joel Embiid talked about it after the game, how he was so unpleased with it and he didn't like it. And he was like, I'm not calling out Philly fans, but God damn, man, it seemed like we was playing in New York. But you can't get mad at Philly fans. What happens is this. When they know these games

are going on and when series are happening, New York fans is buying them tickets fast. I don't think mad at Philly fans. What happens is this. When they know these games are going on and when series are happening, New York fans is buying them tickets fast. I don't think it was Philly's fault that you had a lot of Knicks fans in there. Just the Knicks fans were quicker getting the tickets. And it sounded like Madison Square Garden. And I don't want to jump the gun. I don't want to get hype. But this just feels different.

When you look at these players' faces, especially Jalen Brunson, they want it, and they're not satisfied. You can tell they're happy winning, but they're not celebrating. It's one of them things where you win, and you're so excited, and you're celebrating, and you're like, oh, yo, we beat these niggas. Nah, it look like they

want to move on and get to the next place they need to be. I don't want to jump the gun and be excited because I've seen this movie before, but this just feels a little bit... And congratulations to Jalen Brunson on what he's doing so far in the postseason because that's one thing with me as well. You have to see...

One thing is in the regular season, but you become a star in the postseason, man. That's what makes you a superstar. And he's nothing short of amazing so far in this postseason. OK, and then I got to ask at this point, have you guys counted the Sixers out? I'm counting them out. I'm counting them out. I hope Gillian is watching because I'm definitely counting the Sixers out. I'm going with the Knicks over Philly.

There's no way you can. Yeah, right now doesn't look good. But Joel Embiid just doesn't look like himself to me. And he's putting up decent numbers. I fit in the game before last. I would say I'm going to give the Sixers one more game, but I would say.

Okay. And then this is what I think is a pretty interesting series. So Clippers versus Mavs. Clippers beat the Mavs 1-16, 2-1, 11-2 tie the series. Who do you guys predict is taking the win in the next game? What's the series now?

Two and two. Oh my goodness. This is, I love this, this, this particular series because there's, you know,

you got good guard play. You got, um, Pete, a bunch of people that got to prove themselves. It looked like Paul George came out

looking like the goat again in this series. And I'm really happy for James Harden that he is actually able to show up during the postseason. This is really good for him. But if you ask who I got in the next game, I'm probably going to have to go with Dallas. Dallas. That's who I got I don't think

they can keep beating him without Kawhi but you know some people may think different me personally I'm not sure exactly who I'm going to go with because every game they won is without Kawhi Kawhi's hurt. The games that he played, you could

tell he was hindering the team more than helping them. Of course, you may want to put him out there and see what production he would get because it's Kawhi Leonard. First Ballot Hall of Famer when he's done. But you could tell he's not himself. But the games that the Clippers did win

are without Kawhi Leonard. So I think to me that actually helps the Clippers because you don't want to have to defer. You want to give Kawhi respect and say, let's get him his shots. Let's get him involved. But I think with him not being there, this sets Paul George to be a little more free to do what he needs to do. James Harden's a little more free to do what he needs to do. And these are the games they're winning. They actually came out and had a 31-point lead in the first half.

And I was like, oh, this game is over early. But Dallas climbed back. Kyrie, spectacular game, 40 points. And they showed a lot of fight and a lot of tenacity. But as far as asking me who's going to win the next game, this is a really great series.

It's neck and neck. I'm not actually sure, but we got to think about it. The Clippers won this game, but they also won 62% from three. Is that going to happen again? Probably not. But 62% from three is fucking amazing. Dallas didn't shoot that bad. They shot 62% from three is fucking amazing. Dallas didn't shoot that bad. They shot 33% from three.

But when you shoot 62% from three as a team, you're probably going to win. That is a tremendous amount of, you know, and it was 18 for 29, so they made 18 threes. And I think that was really the difference. Even though Dallas came back down 31, they took a two point lead. They ended up losing eventually,

but I think the recipe right now for against Dallas is not having Kawhi and it frees up playoff P I call him playoff P because he looked like playoff P last night and, and James Harden to do what they have to do. But as far as, as far as picking the next day, this is a really, really tough,

tough, uh, tough series to call. Then you got to think about it. You got two, two great coaches that were former point guards. You got Tyler against Jason kid and Jason kid may have been a better player, but right now I think Tyler Lue's a better coach.

This is all sorts of variables and scenarios when it comes to this season, but I think it's really, really amazing. If I had to pick who's going to win the next game, I'm going to go with the Clippers just off instinct, but if Dallas won, I wouldn't be shocked. Yeah, and I said Dallas because history just doesn't say that James Harden stay around the whole series. So that's why I said that.

Not that they're not absolutely balling at this point. And then so... James Harden made it to several conference finals. So he doesn't stick around when it's the conference finals. But in round ones and semifinals, he's played great historically throughout his career. It's when it gets towards getting to the championship is the difference to me.

And then just going to backtrack real quick. So in the Mavs game three win right Westbrook got ejected for pushing Luka which led to punches between Russell Westbrook and PJ Washington so right now there's a clip going viral of Stephen A not understanding why Westbrook wasn't suspended so he said that he called the league for answers so the clip going by right now is Gilly basically saying, why is Stephen A. calling the league asking for a player to be suspended? So thoughts on the discourse between Gilly, Stephen A.,

Stephen A. calling the league, just the whole thing as a whole. What do you guys think about that? Good, killer. That shit got... Oh. Not seeing the clip and not seen everybody talking about it. I feel Gilly on that. At the end of the day, it was like, Rod, it's your job to be calling the league office

to see what's going on. You know, Gilly, the way Gilly put it, and the way Gilly put it, it was hilarious. I watched the clip. It was very, very funny. But he has a point. You don't work for the NBA. You don't work for the Clippers nor the Mavericks.

Why are you calling the league office and then getting on TV and talking about it? So I understand where Gilly's coming from and I see a lot of people agreeing with Gilly on this particular topic. But, yeah. I mean, I don't know really what to say about it, but I feel Gilly was like, you poking your nose in business that's not yours.

I don't understand it. You're a civilian. Why are you butting into what the league should be doing when it comes to players? So if I had to pick a side, I'm going with Gilly with that. That just sounds wild. I got to go back and look at that clip. But I definitely,

I definitely agree with Gilly on that. It's not your business, bro. Basically what he was saying. A lot of people are saying that too, but I had to get you guys' opinion on it. But maybe, maybe he feel like it is his business. He comments on sports. That's a part of his job but if so you think it's okay to just call the league directly and be like hey why is he not even though sports is his job

would you ever do that you know call front office to see if you could get a player suspended because you didn't like how something went down on the court no i wouldn't i would never do that but i'm saying i do understand where he's coming from like um from the aspect of no i don't understand i was trying to create a talking point i can't help you steven a i apologize yeah what steven they would say is because he's such a good talker, and I don't know, I haven't spoken to him about this, but with Stephen A., I know him. I know his, you know, not the Stephen A. I know personally.

The Stephen A. I watch on television. What Stephen A. is going to say is I didn't call to tell on nobody. I called to find out exactly what the rule is and why somebody wasn't. He does exactly what you Flavernians do. He knows how to spin it and make sure that it wasn't like that. That's crazy. He just said the answer.

It wasn't like that. Nah, I didn't say that. I said he knows how to spin well like you guys. I was just trying to say that he's going to... He's so good. I really wanted to see Steve and they debate Dame Dash. Two niggas who never let you get the last word. That would be a great debate for me personally to watch,

but he'll, he'll clean it up. And I bet you have an answer on why he did it. If he, if he talks about it. Yeah, that was crazy. Steve and I, but I don't, but I, but I agree with Gillian. All right. We're going to go to break. And when we return, we will discuss the Bucks versus the Pacers. Don't go anywhere.

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Now let's get into our Underdog Fantasy Picks of the Day. Tonight, the Lakers will play Denver. Underdog Fantasy has Jokic at 27.5 points. Do you have him higher or lower, Mace? Higher. They got to get that game back. Okay.

Yep, higher. Okay. LeBron's at 41.5 points, rebounds, and assists. Do you have him higher or lower, Cam? Higher. All right. And AD's at 16.5 rebounds and assists. Do you have them higher or lower, Mace?

How many? 16.5. Lower. I'm going higher. AD has about 25 rebounds last game. So you're saying rebounds and assists combined, definitely higher. We had about 25 rebounds last game. So you're saying rebounds and assists combined, definitely higher. Okay.

Download the Underdog Fantasy app and you can make your picks too. So the Bucs lose to the Pacers, 126 to 113. Dame and Giannis both did not play this game due to injuries. Just in general, things that we've seen from the Bucs organization this year.

How do you guys feel about the Bucs' future before even getting into the details of the game? I think they'll be straight in the future. I think they got enough pieces to actually win, long as it doesn't turn into what we saw with the Phoenix Suns. But they're out of here. They're definitely out of here. They're serious.

I don't see them coming back. Just to answer your question. Yeah. Yeah, this game was actually closer than what it appeared to be, considering everything that Milwaukee went through. We got Damian Lillard out. We got Giannis out. Bobby Portis gets thrown out seven minutes into the game because of a light scuffle. So he's out. Patrick Beverly tweaked his hip the first six minutes of the game. And I'm like, damn, how much more bad luck could they have? Chris Middleton was doing everything he could do.

Third quarter, he tweaked his ankle. He kept playing, and he tweaked his ankle as well. So no Giannis, no Damian Lillard, no Bobby Portis, or Herb Patrick Beverly, Wobble, Chris Middleton. They did a good job for what they had. Doc went deep on the bench. I forgot Gallinari was even in the league. So he played a lot of players that probably weren't in play,

but this was just another three-point explosion by the Indiana Pacers. The Pacers got over 50%. They shot 51.2% from three. And when I was watching this game, I'm like, God damn, I thought they shot a higher percentage than that because it seemed like they just couldn't miss from three. You got everybody starting

five and starting double digits. Obi Toppin comes off the bench and contributes 13 points. They did a phenomenal job. And I'm not sure if Milwaukee could recover, even if everybody comes back, because now you have to win three games in a row

to even stay alive. I'm not sure if that could be possible. I'm not sure where Giannis is at coming back. Damian said, Damian Lillard, that is, you know, he aggravated an Achilles. You don't want to play with your Achilles, so if you have him aggravated an Achilles, you don't want to play with your Achilles. So if you're having to aggravate him in the Achilles,

you don't necessarily know if he should come back next game. So they're wobble. They're playing along. Like I said, you don't want to risk players' injuries long-term. If they're young and they have some time left, even if they're not young and don't have a lot of time left, you don't want to risk them having a long-term injury. But aggravated Achilles, they're saying Giannis is a calf,

soreness, a strain or whatever, which I think that's a lie. I think it's about his Achilles as well. When I seen him go down, I seen people go down from Achilles, and nobody was near him. He just collapsed. So I think they're hiding it as a calf injury, but I'm not sure. Doc might be the black cat in the room.

All this shit is happening since you've been there. That's what I was getting at. So at the end of the day, I'm not sure if they can recover, but not what was left. Definitely not without Dame and definitely not without Giannis, but the fight they put up yesterday was very, very

decent. You just got an Indiana team that shot over 50% from three and you couldn't do nothing about it. But what I will say is just I'm not sure what to do as far as the NBA, the games played throughout the season, load management, on and on

and on and on and on. We don't have Zion. We don't have Damian Lillard. We don't have Giannis. We don't have Jimmy Butler. The superstars always seem to get missing, not saying purposely, but due to injury. Every season, we're missing two to three superstars that we're used to seeing in the playoffs. And I have no idea how it's supposed to go, to be honest with you.

Motherfucking Denver, the Denver coach got hurt tonight. Not Denver, pardon me, the Minnesota Timberwolves coach, he, Mike Conley ran into him. They had to take him off the court tonight. Coaches is getting hurt at this point. Everybody's fucking hurt at this time of the season. So

I don't know what to do about it, but the way they market these players, these are the players you want to see in the postseason, and there's a plethora of them not playing right now. Okay. And then on Saturday, the Lakers got a win, beating the Nuggets 119-108.

Does this win make you regain hope with the Lakers, or do you feel like they just got lucky? I really do believe that the Lakers or you feel like they just got lucky? I really do believe that the Lakers are out of here next game. I think this game that they won, LeBron tried to play it down because that's the best way to do it. Because if he make it seem like they're doing something, then Denver is going to come back and really want to play. So I think it was a very smart chess move of his to say, you know what? It's just basketball. Because if you go out there and say, now we found how we could beat them, then they'll come back and prove that you didn't

find anything. I think when it comes down to Denver, Denver is going to be a hard team for anybody to beat. And the Lakers just don't have enough ammunition to do so. I think this year is completely, completely over for the Lakers. And it will be interesting to see what they do next year. But this series is over. Yeah, I believe Denver's going to win the series. I don't know if they're going to win the next game. Depends on the health of Jamal Murray.

He aggravated the back of his leg. I'm not sure what particular part of his body that was, but he walked off limping and he's questionable for next game and he's a key piece to them winning. I'm pretty sure if he doesn't play next game and if the Lakers do win, then he'll play game six, but I solely believe if game five

is going to be won, depending on the health of Jamal Murray. What I do like the Lakers for doing, though, is not settling for the three. The Lakers really pounded the glass and the paint. They outscored Denver in the paint 72 to 52. And I think that was the difference. This NBA and this generation that we're watching, it's easy to fall in love

with the three. Everybody falls in love with the three. Outside of Aaron Gordon, LeBron bullies everybody who comes to guard him on Denver. He takes them down to the paint and he gets buckets in the paint. He can't do it to Aaron Gordon.

He's having problems defensively guarding Aaron Gordon as well. But they switch off on the pick and roll and anybody LeBron gets, he's bullying them. 39-year-old bully in the paint. And the numbers show. Like I just said, 72 points in the paint

for 52 points. I like that. Not settling for the three. Get in baskets and get into it. As far as the next game's concerned, I believe if Jamal Murray is healthy and he looks healthy, then Denver will win. If he's not healthy and doesn't play, I'm not sure they win the next game. But as far as the series is concerned, absolutely. I believe Denver is going to win the series.

So, Killer, what did you think about everybody's response to that statement about it's just basketball? Many people said Kobe never spoke like this. Joy never spoke like that. Do you think there's anything to that, or they're just reaching at this point? I've seen him say that, but what was the question? What did you think about him just saying it's just basketball when they lost

no not you what is the question that they asked him for him to say that I've seen when he said that but what was the question they was asking him about the brutal loss in game 3 and many people.

So, yeah. So basically, that was in their game three loss. And then the conversation was around anxiety and then pressures on players. So then his response was just, it's just basketball.

At the end of the day, it's just, it's just basketball. So people took that quote when he was just talking about, I think just like the anxiety and all the things around just being a basketball player in the league.

See, that's the reason I asked that question is that I asked that question person purposely, because that's what the error we're in. You take sound bites and you run with it. People don't even know the question that was asked. And I'm not just talking about LeBron with this situation. You take a quote, you take the sound bite and people run with it, not knowing what led up to it.

Like the time Allen Iverson said, it's just practice, it's just practice. Nobody to this day, I know because I watched the whole post-game interview, but you don't know what was asked before he said that. You take that soundbite and you run with it. That's been going on for however long that soundbite been over 20 years or however long it's been and it's still being used because it's a soundbite and you run with it. That's been going on for however long that soundbite been over 20 years or however long it's been.

It's still being used because it's a soundbite. That's what we do. We take soundbites and run with it so people can make opinions not knowing what the question was was asked before the soundbite. It's a lot of times you ask the questions, you say something, they take that, but not knowing the context what the question was actually to make you say that so stat cleared it up and they was talking about anxiety and pressure and so on and so forth lebron gets asked a bunch of questions all the time he's been the face of the league for 20 years just about if maybe a little shorter because kobe was still in the league and tim duncan and so on and forth. But he's been the face of the league for a long time. So anything he says that's out of the ordinary,

it seems like Kobe wouldn't do it or Jordan wouldn't do it. That's what people are going to run with. So I'm not taking his soundbite and say Kobe wouldn't do that, Jordan wouldn't do that. You ask them a question. You ask them a question, he answers your question. You may not have liked the answer to his question, but now it's a thing. Oh, LeBron says it's just basketball.

Look, the man resume speaks for itself. He's the all-time leading scorer in the NBA ever. He's the all-time leading scorer in points per game. He's top 10 in assists. He has four championships. He went to 10 NBA championships straight, just demolished the Eastern Conference for 10 years in a row. So I'm not sitting here and act like LeBron

don't care about basketball because he does. Good point. Yeah, I was going to say that. That's my opinion on that. Yeah, that quote was misinterpreted and that's just the thing of being, you know, obviously anybody in the public eye. Yeah, so basically they're just asking him literally just, you know, obviously anybody in the public eye. Yeah, so basically they're just asking him

literally just, you know, pressures of being a basketball player. But I was going to ask you guys how you guys felt about him responding that way and then it being taken another way. Because basically since they just heard that and it was during a loss, who like, here goes LeBron,

like saying it's just basketball. AD got him not caring, but it's like, that was never what it was. I wanted you guys' opinion on that, actually. But yeah. It's like, it's like, it's like my man Dane Dash real quick. You sit there and you get all these soundbites. And for these, this is a rap scenario I'm just using.

We get all these soundbites about, Dane got to stop talking about Jay-Z. He always talking about Jay-Z. You ask him about Jay-Z when he do the interview. He ain't just getting up there and talking about Jay-Z this and Jay-Z that. You ask him these questions so that when he answers, you get the soundbite.

And then it seems like he's just talking about niggas. When you go to these interviews interviews they ask you this and but you don't never post or share the question that was asked to make somebody say that that happens all the time okay so now we got to discuss the magic and the calves so the magic meet the calves i sound really uninterested the magic meet the cowss. I sound really uninterested. The Magic beat the Cavs 1-12 to 89. Their series is now tied as well.

Just in general, who do you guys think has the stronger team? And how do you guys feel about this series? Because I feel like this is the one series that people

are not paying attention to. Are not talking about enough and you never know what could happen. So I want to know you guys' opinion. Actually, Cleveland is actually balling.

You know, like, when you think of, like, how you want a team to play, I thought it would be so interesting if they come out of the East. People would not know what to do. Because they're getting extremely good guard play from, what's his name, from Donovan and the other point guard, he's doing very well. And, you know, the Magic was like my sleeper team, not a team I'm rooting for like that, but just like going to come up.

When I look at this team, you know, they should, I don't think they're going to beat Cleveland, but this is a great turnaround for the Magic franchise. I really don't think they're going to beat Cleveland at this point. That's just as much as I can say at this point. I'm not really interested in the Cavs and the Magic. But Cam, you used to live in Orlando and you've been in Ohio.

This should be good. Yeah, it sounds like you haven't been watching, so I'll bring you up to speed. Actually, the Cavaliers lost the last game. I mean, I don't actually watch these type of teams. No, I know. So I'm going to tell you what's going on because you don't know what's going on.

So I have no problem letting you know what's going on. The Cavaliers played a decent game last game against the Magic the first half. And then Orlando seemed like it got a boost from that crowd. Did really well. Came back when I think it was a 22-point victory that they won by. Your man, Bancharo, if I'm saying his name right, he looked like he was leading the team and doing what he wanted to do. But this was another game, another game with three-point,

the three-point shooting was the difference. And that's what made the one. The Cavaliers went four for 17 from three, and that's not going to get it done. The Magic, they shot 12 for 28 for 48%, and that was really the difference. And as much as I was giving LeBron and the Lakers a lot of credit for pounding the ball in the paint,

because we got to hit the open shots as well and that was the difference in the last game the series is tied I have no idea who's going to win the series I do agree with Mason it's probably the most uninteresting series in the first round but it is still a playoff series

and they worked hard to get here they wasn't in the play-in or nothing so I'm going to pay attention to the games and see what's happening but this is the most least interesting first round but that's what happened and i'm not sure who's going to win i was going to say cleveland the first two games but the way the magic looked they look phenomenal when they're at home so we'll see what happens but i'm as as the series, this is a good one. This is the one neck and neck. I don't see the Donovan Mitchell that we've seen in the past.

He's looking great. He looks spectacular. But he doesn't look like a superstar. He looks like an all-star. And we was expecting superstar potential from Donovan Mitchell three, four years ago. When he came out of Utah, when he was playing with Rudy Gobert, he looked phenomenal.

He looked phenomenal at times in Cleveland. Look, he scored 71 points when he was in Cleveland. But throughout this series, I haven't seen a superstar Donovan Mitchell, and that's probably been the difference why the series is tied. Yeah. I mean, if he was able to do what he did in the first half and the second half, would that be superstar for you? Because he did have 18 in the first half.

Well, you can be a superstar, but to me, also is willing your team to victory. And not just you having to have 50 points, but galvanizing the troops around you saying, come on, we got to get this done. And going back to Anthony Edwards last night, he finished with a 40 piece, but at the end of the day, he had his players back, his players had his back. Everybody knows their role on that particular team. So it isn't about having 50 points and losing.

It's about having 32, 33 and pulling out the victory as long as getting all the players involved because nobody can do it by themselves. We haven't seen it done yet. Okay. And then the Thunders beat the Pelicans 106 to 85. The Thunder are 3-0 in the series there's still no zion do you guys feel like the thunder is the strongest team in the west or do

you feel like because zion's not playing how do you guys feel about the thunders team as a whole um i like the um i like the thunder i i think they they they come right in third place for me. Out of the West, I don't see them beating Denver, and I don't see them beating Ant-Man in a seven-game series. But I think what they're doing now is phenomenal. And anytime they get 21 points from Giddyy, he's the X factor on that team. No matter how Shea plays, Giddey is the X factor for that team. They're going to go as far as he goes.

So if everybody balls out, Chet balls out, but then you find yourself not getting what you need, pause from Giddey, then they're not going to go as far as everybody think they had the potential to go. He's the X Factor again on that team. But I think they beat the Pelicans without Zion. That's not really a hard feat. They were already at the top of the Western Arm Conference. I want to see what they do against Denver and what they do against Ant-Man. That's going to say everything I need to see.

Yeah, I agree with that part where Mason's talking about as far as a Zion-less New Orleans team isn't a big challenge. But I still want to give them credit because they're all young players. Look, two years ago, OKC won 24 games. So for them to be the number one seed just two years later, you know, they always talk about, we're rebuilding and we're

rebuilding. All these seeds, we're rebuilding. 24 games to the number one seed in two years is amazing. So I'm not going to slight them because I'm not, because they playing as high on as Denver look you still got CJ McCullough over there you still got Brandon Ingram over there

and you still got a slew of veterans over there who's been in the playoffs and know what it's about as opposed to Chet being his first year as opposed to SGA just really getting his feet wet in the playoffs Giddy as well so it isn't like they're playing absolute bums.

You're playing some really good talent. You just don't have the best player on the court. But my thing is this, if you're in the NBA, and I know injuries, I'm not going to say in downplay injuries, but this is why you have a 12-man roster. This is the reason why your GM can't just go get bums and put them at the end of the bench. Everybody out there in the NBA

is supposed to be part of the 480 best players in the world. That's what it's supposed to be. That's what the NBA is. The 480 best players in the world. People got to step up if you're main players and I'm not going to cut it short

because that does mean a lot. But Mason's talking about Denver and Minnesota. I don't even put them there yet because when they do win this series, they're going to have to either play Dallas or the Clippers before you can even get to Denver or Minnesota. So either out of Dallas or the Clippers, I don't think it's going to be New Orleans. So we have to see if they even get past that to get to Denver or Dallas. I think the next round will be very, very interesting. Like I said

earlier, I'm not sure if it's the Clippers or the Mavericks, but I think that OKC will get some stiff applause competition between one of them teams as opposed to the competition that they're getting now with the New Orleans Pelicans. And then looking ahead, I'm just curious, who do you guys think OKC should want to play, the Clippers or Dallas? That's a good one. I would think Dallas they they have a better chance against Dallas than the

Clippers right now it looked like the Clippers are picking up pause they're picking up steam they're becoming a better team each game like and and and I just picked Dallas because you know that's a favorite but they're looking like they're getting better as a team each time they go out, and that's what you look for if you're a coach. You want to see a team gelling right at the right time, and this is the time to start gelling. This is when the champions start gelling. I think they're better off playing Dallas. Nigga just said that the Clippers can't win without Kawhi but now they're

gelling wow you all over the place bro you be everywhere my nigga everywhere the Clippers are gelling now but 20 minutes ago they can't win without Kawhi wow yo Mota you wanna hit yelling now, but 20 minutes ago, they can't win without Kawhi.

Wow. Yo, murder. You want to hit this? You want to hit this? You want to hit this, bro? You might want to hit this, bro. Let me explain it to you. Let me explain it to you. Let me explain it to you.

No, no, let me explain. You can't throw a statement out there and try to make me look crazy without me explaining it. You make yourself look crazy. No, because it does make sense. It does make sense. Oh, my God. It does make sense.

It's my goal. Could you go after his mind? Okay, go ahead. You go and I'll go after you. Pause. Wow. My preference, to answer the question, I'm not sure who they should want to play because this series

is so, it's tightly contended between Dallas and the Clippers. Who I would rather see them play is Dallas because I would love to see Shea against Kyrie. I want to see how this would work. Kyrie is one of them niggas

who's just not having it. He's one of them niggas like, oh, this is your king? This who y'all like? Man, he did it to Steph. When Steph, everybody was stuffed out that year that Cleveland won that championship. LeBron was the MVP and he was the man. You don't win that championship without Kyrie being

big time, not only big time, clutch. Hitting clutch shots when they matter. Even like last night, 40 points, man, and coming back from a 31-point deficit. Amazing. So if you ask me who I want to see, I don't want

to see OKC against Dallas. Who they should want to play? I'm not sure because both these teams are looking very, very good different days of the night, different days of the week partly. Go ahead, Mace. Go ahead. It just seemed like you're

becoming more Generation Z, you know, and Generation X, Cam. It's possible for two things to be true at the same time. It's possible to be gelling, but you're still not able to beat this true at the same time. It's possible to be gelling, but you're still not able to beat this team at the same time.

That's possible, right? I don't see why that was so hard to understand. It's possible, but I love the debate. Yeah, you don't, Cam. I'm saying at the end of the day, and I'm going to just keep it real, Staggers don't even feel like arguing with you,

so she just be agreeing with you all the time. No, it's possible for two things to be right. It's possible for them to gel, and it's possible for them to not win without Kawhi. Just because you're gelling don't mean you're going to win, but you still are gelling. But that ain't what you said. That's what you do.

That's the safety net that you keep that I'm talking about when you say two things are right at the same time. You're not here. What you exactly said was your exact words was

I picked Dallas because they're a favorite but I really think the Clippers after I broke down all the numbers to you because you probably wasn't watching this weekend

then you like No, I said they're my favorite. They're my favorite. I didn't say they're the favorite. The They're my favorite. They're my favorite. I didn't say that. That's what you said. The favorite and my favorite is two different favorites.

That's what I said. That you said that they're your favorite. Mm-hmm. After you already... Because you was about to go back to the Clippers. She's like, well, I'm just saying Dallas is my favorite,

but the Clippers, they're gelling. It's possible for you and the girl to be gelling and you still going to break up with her, right? Is that possible? That's a fact. The thing about it is... Okay, that's all I wanted to know. I just be trying to help you

because they see you in the comments. I'm trying to get you right, man. I'm trying to get you right, man. I'm trying to get you right, man. Damn. They're Generation Z. They're Generation Z. I'm X. I know we think differently. I think it's possible for two things to be right.

Your exact words is they're not going to win without Kawhi. And then you sat there and said, I think that they're going to win. Which one is it? I said, I think they they're going to win. Which one is it? I said I think they're jelly. You know they can rewind this when they see this, right? It's on YouTube. They can rewind it if they see it.

They're going to go back. I didn't say they're jelly. You're putting three things out there now. I'm only addressing two things. I'm addressing that it's possible for two things to be true at the same time. That's the point I'm making. I'm not making no other point. Don't take my words and use it for something else.

Like you said about LeBron, give me the same courtesy you just gave LeBron. Keep the question in context. It wasn't a question, mate. You made a statement, and I replied after your statement. I know, but you're taking my statement out of context, like they did with LeBron.

No, you're not LeBron, and it's not the same scenario. Now you're doing a double spin. You're on the ice capades right now. Now you're spinning. You're just all over the place you're not dizzy nigga you should be dizzy right now you should be ready to pass out

you should be dead dizzy all this spinning all this spinning you're doing all I said was it's possible for two things to be right at the same time and that's true anybody can understand that okay not a problem well At the same time. And that's true. Anybody can understand that. Okay.

Not a problem. Well, on that note, that's all the time that we have for today. Thanks for watching. And as always, it is what it is. Yo, rewind this and tell me who you agree with, me or Cam. Is it possible for two things to be right at the same time? That's all I'm saying, Cam.

You don't be on social media. They be killing you, bro. I love you. I'm trying to tell you this because I love you. I'm telling you because I love you. I'm not a social media guy. That's why I'm trying to help you. I know you're not.

I'm trying to help you and tell you you're being killed up there a lot of times. You're my brother. I don't like that. I don't like when that happens for you, man. lot of times. You're my brother. I don't like that. I don't like when that happens for you, man. I love you. You're not a social media nigga, so I'm trying to screw you to the point beyond that. I love you, man.

Love you like cooked food. I ain't gonna do that to you. You know what I'm talking about? I'm not gonna let them niggas do that to my brother. My big bro, man. I ain't gonna let that happen. Well, there you have it. There you have it.

I'll see y'all tomorrow. All right. Outro Music