IT IS WHAT IT IS - ARE FANS GETTING TOO COMFORTABLE TALKING OUT OF POCKET TO ATHLETES | S3. EP.37

Episode Date: February 23, 2024

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You know, I might spoil it. You know, I've never, and not just because you're my friend, but I've never in my life seen ever, and you could be the first trendsetter with this ever. What? A married man matches ring with his watches. You a hollow nigga for real. Everything always got to go right.

You got on pink with pink. No, no, it's me, but that's a fashion statement. I throw Master Ring every day, no matter what color the watch is. I dig, man. I dig. You know that, man. I respect dig, man. I dig. You know that, man. I respect that,

man. That is lit. He gives me watches. Yeah, man. I've never seen that before.

We trendsetters, baby. Yeah, trendsetters. They're going to see D-Wade or one of them do it and try

to give him the credit. That's what I'm saying. Now the next thing is somebody else is going to see D-Wade or one of them do it and try to give him the credit. So I'm glad you... That's what I'm saying. Like, now the next thing is somebody else is going to start matching the watches or the earrings and start switching up. Just while letting it be known nationally right now that I've never seen anybody do that before. Yeah. Make it known.

Okay. And today we are joined with our analyst, Maurice Claret. Mo C, what's up, man? How you doing? Moe is good. I'm great, baby. What's going on? Man, same shit, different day, man. How you been? You been all right? I'm good. Listen to me. I got my favorite shirt on ever. Which one is this?

This is my favorite. Oh! is this? This is my favorite. Oh! What does it say? We got to read it. What does it say?

You said it! So black sticking together now, but what's the bottom part? Oh, yeah, that's my thing. So black sticking together now. It's the hardest shit. Pause. That's the bottom. How you not going to know

your lyrics? No, you know what happened? Because I see Shannon, and I wasn't thinking about my bars. So you mix what Nate said with the bars I said. Genius, man. Genius. Genius. Genius.

Genius, man. Come on. Yeah, bro. Let's stick together. You're going to see the other low you know what I'm saying back there what's that

you see Freddy back there you see the glasses you see the black forces that's not the way to start it off but we end it on a positive note

alright alright you better hear they don't want to see Freddy match with the black ass yeah and some sunglasses on too.

I just, you know, we, we, we started on Martin and we ended on, no, we started with Malcolm. We ended on Martin.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, man. I saw, I saw, I saw Scotty in them black forces, man. I say,

yeah, it's serious now. Listen, man, it's black history my fella it is it's flea

we worry okay well speaking of Scottie crazy that you brought him up because him and some former

Bulls in Australia's National Basketball League announced a tour called No Bull which will feature the former NBA players discussing

Michael Jordan and the 1990s Chicago Bulls. How do you guys think the tour will go? Maurice first. Well, I don't know, man. When I thought about Scottie and his topic, I thought about two things. One, he's only been in the news for negativity negativity right and it was two things the first thing is that you hear about his ex-wife and all of her uh relational issues with you know his old teammate son and uh as much as i laugh at scotty i kind of feel bad that he has to go through that i'm like that'd be a crazy situation if i had to go through it and then the second part of that is that um

i like to see people who you either looked up to, had a nice time, either watching them play or do whatever. You would like to see these people going on to do other things in life, right? I think part of people liking the show is like seeing those two, enjoy life, do something different, have more success. And I think with guys who are legends of some sort, you want to see these guys, whether they be in business or whether they have success in other ways. But inadvertently, I think that you're going to have a bunch of people in the crowd and they're going to be probing for him to say like different things crazy about Michael Jordan. And I think that's what's going to get the soundbites. Just like when you've seen

Horace Grant, he was on stage with Luke Longley and Scottie Pippen. The soundbite that they ran was that I'm going to kick Dennis Rodman's ass. And so, I don't know. I think he can look crazy. I think that you'll have

people probe it and, you know, I don't know. It's just kind of crazy that they're even, you know, doing something like this. Um, I like,

a lot of people think I run the is what it is Instagram account now I could get in there to block niggas but I don't post nothing on the page I told you I got in there the other day made 72

niggas was out of there but I don't post on the page but my man Bob he runs the Instagram account for us and I scrolled through today and I read his caption. And it was like funny. He said, oh, shit, they don't put a three-man roster to go on tour and talk about Mike. This is wild.

So, yo, look. Maybe, see see this is this who is it Luke Longley Scottie and Harvest yeah yes now

it's a lot of interesting stories that come across my feed every day whether it's Allen obviously Allen

obviously you know what the pause over there yeah yeah he was what's up Chuck was good nigga

you know better than that yeah anybody know better than that What's good, nigga? You know better than that. Yeah. Anybody know better than that, you know better than that. You definitely know better than that. That's our brother, though. You know, A.I. gave us a shout in this Hall of Fame speech, man. Yeah. Yeah. That was fire.

That was a big deal for me, man, because, listen, as many basketball players as you may know in the NBA and so on and so forth, players as you may know in the nba and so on and so forth at a hall of fame speech to give myself and other rappers such as mace a shout out and say we were the soundtrack to his career and you know what kind of career he had that's that's amazing man i mean the rest of y'all niggas should listen that's basically what karen was just saying the rest of you niggas you need to listen when we talking yeah man so that was a big deal but as far as Scotty

and look we want to hear stories here and there but it's all going to double back and get back to Michael Joy what was Michael Joy like what was this like or maybe Dennis Rodman because Dennis Rodman had a great personality as well. Dennis going to get to...

I'm telling y'all now, don't ask me nothing about my ex-wife or what's going on in her life. And one day you're going to jump out the window and be like, I know you said Scotty. Don't ask about her. But did you grow up with... what's the little mic name did you

grow up with marcus yeah that's not about us so i'm asking you about marcus that would be a good question yeah what was your relationship like with with marcus yeah exactly yeah because they're doing from what from way i'm understanding when I read it, they're doing a Q&A. So if people come to the plate and ask that, whatever. I mean, as far as I'm concerned, let me ask, the better question is this before I pass it to Minks. I'll ask you guys a quick question. Would you go see it?

No. Would you pay money? Absolutely not. What about you, Mo? No, I wouldn't want to go see it no you would you pay money absolutely not what about you mo no i wouldn't want to go see it i told you i like to see guys successful i wouldn't want i think it just be it'd be nasty like dirty i would watch it if it came on tv i'm not paying a dollar to go see that threesome just pause just to ask questions that's just not gonna happen yeah it's not even the right group of people. Like, if you wanted to make it interesting,

you take Rodman on the road, you take Scotty, and who else would be crazy? Ron Harper or somebody like that that you would want to listen to. But I don't think I would listen to Ron Harper either. But I love them as a player.

Yeah, me too, as a player, definitely. The only thing, if you're going to name names, it would be Scotty, Dennis, and Phil. Yeah. Yeah. People are going to hear what they got to say. But when you put Luke Longley in there and then you got Horace Grant, Horace Grant dipped on the team. So I want to hear Horace Grant talk about Mike and say why he left and why he went to Orlando.

And he thought he was going to win a chip and he didn't. And, you know, he jumped ship and he got what he got. But pause. When I think about this group, it's impossible for you to go out there, Scotty, and think you're going to slander Mike and think people are not going to jump into this conversation about his ex-wife is just what's going to happen. So my advice to Scotty would be abort this mission, man. Abort this mission, Scotty, please, man. You know, because I looked up to Scotty and Mike. That was like my favorite, still my favorite duo in the NBA. But so I really don't want to hear him talk about Mike. No matter if it's true, I just don't want to hear it.

And maybe that's my bias. I was going to ask, why do you guys think they're starting it in Australia? Of all places. Like when you touring, it's always easier to start in a town or a place where people are going to be excited about it. And then you got to build it up to get it strong enough to be able to do it in a city that'll give you pushback pause. But Australia will be the perfect place for them to gain some traction before they get to New York. Because if they started that in New York, it would be crazy from the first day. It will be, you know, people out there heckling, Scotty, Scotty. to New York because if they started that in New York, it would be crazy from the first day.

It would be, you know, people out there heckling, Scotty, Scotty Marcus, come talk to me, all of that. You know,

people would be high, you know, you don't want to start in New York. You got to be ready by the time you get to New York. Or Chicago.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't even have nothing to add that's that's exactly what I would have said when you start

you start that shit in America it's going crazy off the rip yeah off the rip who are you nigga to be

as soon as you get out the car Scotty I know you ain't doing this exactly that shit going crazy I can hear the whole

40th and 39th in my ear right now. Word! Scottie, this is what we doing. That's a fact. That's a fact. And then before we move on to the next topic. Y'all don't think to yourselves. You can finish your thought, bro. Oh, no. I would just say you don't think

to yourself like, you know, where would somebody be at in their life at that point to like go on tour to do that you know what i'm saying it that's what just throws me off like i'm like where are these dudes at in their life to where this makes sense to go sit down and do it i don't know right now we're putting the camera on you speak to scotty speak to horace grant and speak to luke Longley right now. Camera to you.

Camera to me. So I'm asking myself, right, if I'm Horace, Luke Longley, or Scotty. No, speak to Scotty, Luke Longley right now. Say Luke Longley, Scotty, and Horace Grant. Where y'all niggas at? All that. Yeah, go ahead. You want it is what it is. I'm filtered. Man, it is what it is.

Like, y'all niggas shouldn't be doing this shit. That's what I'm really saying. Like, straight up. Like, this shit make y'all look corny. This shit make you look lame. Like, and then your man is Michael Jordan, and he just sits back laughing at you. My son And then your man is Michael Jordan, and he just sits back laughing at you.

My son is talking to your ex-wife. He used to walk around with you and raise you. And then you over here doing this dumb shit. Yeah. Yeah, that's what we've been waiting on. Yeah. You back, man. You back, man.

Yeah, that's exactly, that's exactly what needs to be said. Yeah. That was perfect. That was so funny. Yeah, that was perfect.

Y'all get it, man. Nah, I'm glad you said that off Mace because that's what you said. Niggas said, why y'all niggas doing this?

So what I'm going to translate is, what I'm going to translate what Mace had mo say and what mo is mo got at you but what mo really is saying is is y'all niggas fucked up do y'all niggas y'all niggas pop is y'all broke because in other words there's no reason for me for y'all to be doing this unless this is for financial gain and y'all really need it that's what niggas is really saying that's what mo Mo is saying when he says,

but where they at in life? Yeah. Where are these niggas at in their life? Like, in their journey. Where are you right now in your journey that you convinced you

and the rest of these niggas that, yo, we about to do something crazy? What we about to do? Nig. What we about to do? Nigga, we going to go around the world talking about Mike. Word, that sound crazy. How much they paying you? I rather not say.

I rather not say. Just make sure your contract is right. Yeah. Okay. And then last thing before we move subjects because Horace Grant did have a quote.

He said, believe me, I speak my mind. This is going to be a no bullshit tour. I'll tell you this, the X Factor in the first three

and the second three, I would have kicked Dennis Rodman's ass. Come out, get the tickets and you'll hear a lot. Horace, you played against dennis rodman and y'all played against each other when you went to orlando and you didn't kick his yeah i don't know what he meant by that you know you know what you can catch some niggas who

wasn't around with that yeah you didn you can catch Generation Z with that. We saw you, nigga. We know you're not like that. I'm like that. Yeah, because you played against Dennis Rodman when he got to the Bulls on several different occasions. I didn't see no ass kicking. Yeah, and they came back

and three-peated. So were you around when they three-peated? The second time. The second time. You were. All I can say is good luck on the tour.

Moving along, Fubo sues Fox, Disney, and Warner Bros. to block their combined sports streaming app. Fubo said the companies had blocked their playbook for many years, and now they are effectively stealing it for themselves. What do you think about this situation, Maurice?

First. Yeah, this is the build on what we were talking about last week when he talked about ESPN trying to buy the rights to the NFL. And a lot of people don't see this stuff going on but this is kind of like i told you organized crime or like cartel level type right and basically what they're telling fubo is that fubo tried to come to the um the sports streaming market and they was like we gonna put together a sports streaming platform where people could just tune in and buy sports right right? And since ESPN is

trying to lock up the assets from the NFL and say, basically, hey, come over here, give us your exclusive rights, and basically we lock that up, you had these other companies get together and say, fuck it, right? Since they take an NFL, how about all of us come together so we don't compete with each other, but let's knock these little niggas out, right? And Fubo seems to be the little niggas, right? And the way they bully them is they basically sound like, hey, if you want the sports package, you also going to take this other these other shows and other bullshit that you can't afford. Because we see that you raise the money. We know who you raise the money from to body services. And they basically get mad that they ain't got enough money to go back and buy some more work. That's all it is in street terms, it also corporate america terms right that's literally all it is

and fubo's mad but what you're seeing is like and people don't see it on the on the the lower level from an independent creator standpoint but what you're seeing right now is that independent creators have caused so much disruption that the people who sit inside of these streaming services and platforms are saying, OK, how do we hold on to the assets, the shows and everything as much as we can? And how do we keep these subscription services in our ecosystem before people start falling off and signing up to independent creators and taking their viewership over there? That's what that's what that's what it basically is. creators and taking their viewership over there that's what that's what that's what it basically is it sound like the same thing they did in hip-hop before um after i left music it sound like they consolidated everything and made it to where every basically what you're saying everything got to go through them and then it made it where they got rid of all of the people who know better

and got signing all of the people who didn't know any better. And that's what changed the music. So that looked like the same thing they did over there. So that makes sense what happened with Ryan Clark and all of the other people that they got rid of last year. So that I definitely understand what you're saying. What do you mean block? what are they doing to block it so so what so what they're doing so i'm basically saying okay fubo wants fubo wants to uh do a sports streaming only platform right right and they're saying hey in order for you to take these sports you also have to take these other shows. Who is they?

Who's they? Warner Brothers, Paramount, Discovery, and it's like four companies that came together. Yeah, so I'm clear and also the viewer's clear. So basically, just following what you're saying one more time,

they're saying that we want to create this sports package, but because Disney and all these other networks that you're talking about may work with uh espn or fox whoever they're saying okay uh fubo y'all y'all can get the sports but you got to take xyz with it is that what you're saying yes and they know that they can't afford it. Got you. Okay, got you. So niggas is basically saying, look, in street terms, I got to block this doing a kilo a day. Well, we're giving you 25 to finish them in a week. I know the math.

You said it's equal to seven kilos, but take 25 and be done by this time next week. I don't got the clientele for that. I don't got the money. Well, you know what that means if you don't. Yeah, it never works. Either fuck with us or don't. Because the niggas over here,

we fucking went, basically already taking the work like that. I know you on the grind, but these niggas over here be fucking with, basically already taking the work like that. I know you on the grind, but these niggas is already copping. Yeah, there's no more grinding in 2024. Yeah, we not doing the grinding. It's like when nigga told Franklin the first time,

yo, I'm tired of giving you one, two keys now. Take eight. Franklin like, what I'm going to do with with eight take it or leave it you want it fuck it i'll take it but but at the end of the day listen man that just goes to show man it's the powers that be uh these people have relationships with people for years this is the type of shit right here like if this was us three right here doing business and Mace is, I'm doing business with Mace

because I got ESPN and I got, he has, let's just say, the NFL or whatever. And it's like, yo, listen, man. What you, Mo is,e is Fubo. Fubo. Fubo. And you like, yo. And you the NFL, and I'm ESPN,

and I'm like, I know you not about to throw that. That ain't taking no work, bro. Yo, well, Ken, what you have to realize, legally, it's a legal term. You know niggas start hitting you with all that. The jargon. Yeah, yeah. Well, tell them you got to take XYZ.

See if you do that. Tell them he's taking Fox, Disney, and Warner Brothers with it. Yeah, exactly. And he only won the NFL. All they shows. Not just that, the shows that come with it. So, yeah, I'm glad you broke that down because I was a little unclear when we was going through review for it.

And listen, it's all about relationships, man. It's like 14 channels, man. It's like probably more than that. Yeah, but it's still about the niggas who own shit know each other. Yeah, like you want it or not. Yeah, yeah. And not only that, it's like,

it's like, for instance, when we talk about owners for the NFL, let's just talk want it or not. Yeah, yeah. And not only that, it's like, for instance, when we talk about owners for the NFL, let's just talk about the NFL in general. If it's a new owner to come in, right? Let's just say, I'm just using an example. Let's just use Floyd Mayweather as an example. Yeah. Or I'm just giving somebody's hot,

I don't want to say Kanye or something, but let's just use Floyd as an example. He has a group with him, and he wants to buy into a team or start a new team or whatever. He needs to get authorization from all the owners to be an owner in the NFL. Nah, I'm good old boys. That's not gonna happen.

That's not gonna happen, bro. He can manage. No, he definitely... Look, Magic got stake in it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? With Magic, you gotta know to fight Magic for it.

Yeah. Magic come with a whole bunch of activism. You know what I'm saying? Almost died. Almost died. Business on top of business. I'm not saying Floyd doesn't.

It's just that Floyd's running nigga, nigga. You know what I'm saying? Magic is a black man and he could be a nigga. I've seen Magic in the 70s and 80s was a nigga, nigga. You know what I'm saying?

So, and I'm not saying he's not now, but Floyd is like, well, you got to get Jerry Jones and all these dogs. A lot of owners Yeah, magic is non-confrontational. Yeah, and what happens is we know the owners that we know.

You know Jerry Jones, you know Rob Craft, you may know a few others but you don't know them niggas deep down in Jacksonville and Texas Yeah, yeah damn Texas you know what I'm saying? In Texas. The nigga that got signed off. Yeah, yeah, damn Texas.

You know what I'm saying? They're like, Jerry, I know this shit nigga, but... Exactly. Come on, Jerry. Come on, Jerry. You know we're not signing... We don't ask them for half of the block.

Yeah, exactly. We're not signing off on this shit. You got your damn mind, man. So, it's about relationships, man. But good luck to Fubo, man. Good luck. I see what y'all trying to do.

How is that B? Right. Okay. Another interesting story. So college football players are being offered $600 and a copy of the game to opt into the EA sports college football video game. Does this sound like a good deal to you? Maurice first. Uh, no, it's not a good deal.

So I was pocket watching, right? So I went to go see with the NCAA back in 2013 and annually that they generated off of this game. And it was 80 million million back then and you didn't have all of your distribution sites your streaming your game consoles and all that stuff that they have now before they shut the um uh the game down and when you think about it um you you just say to yourself man in order for you to make any sort of deal with anybody you have to understand the totality as to what we're about to generate. Like that is the, that's the, that's the crux of every deal, right? What are we about to do? What's the potential for what we can make? And then you start to reverse engineer back down from there. But when you look at it, they said like, they make it, they try to make everything

sound bigger than what it is, right? So they say, Hey, we have to pay 11,000 players, 600 bucks, right? And I think when I did the math, it was something like 6.6 million. And if you're scheduled and you're going to generate at minimum 80 to 100 million dollars off of this thing, and they know prior to even putting this game out how much money that they potentially plan on making, it's just not a fair deal. The bigger question would be, what does the NCAA get out of it, right? And why is the NCAA sharing more of that with the guys who actually help to make the game what it is? But you'll have a bunch of kids who get excited about

their name being on the game. They'll pay the $600. Their rights will go away. And then the gaming company and the NCAA will end up making more money off of it than redistributing something fair to the players and i'm not saying that the players deserve the lion's share of it but you should be paid proportionate to your value to the entire system that's what i'm saying all right how much do you think that the um just hypothetically how much you think there they shouldn't make off of it how much the players should make off it if they made 80 million dollars how much you think the players should get what portion should be set aside for the players

i would literally go and use the same model that the NBA uses, right? When you talk about revenue sharing, when you talk about, like people, and this is not towards you, but people in general act like this is rocket science, right? I'm going to get to answer your question, but the NBA has figured out the revenue share. They figured out these financial models already. I would take the NBA and I would use that as guidance. And I would say, Hey, 30% of all annual sales is redistributed to all players. You know what I'm saying? It will be a percentage based, based upon what they're selling. Because if you're constantly going out, you're promoting, you're running, you're blocking, they're using your name, image, and likeness to constantly

push and promote this game. Why wouldn't you be paid? why wouldn't you be compensated proportionally from a percentage base, right? Percentage off of sales. And then that way you're participating in the uplift of the game. That's what I would do. That's just my personal opinion. So to answer your question,

be a percentage off of the sales of the game. That's what will be fair because you're helping to generate the revenue to make the game. That's what will be fair because you're helping to generate the revenue to make the game what it is. So then about 30%, what are we talking? 30%? Yeah, 30%. You redistribute 30% of the earnings to the players. But when you talk about college kids, since you've given nothing, 30 feels like a lot. You know what I'm saying? But when we talk about college sports, what has happened is that there's an astronomical amount of money that is generated off of the backs of these kids, right?

And so you've never given them nothing. It's sort of like coming out of slavery. We've never given these niggas nothing. So anything these niggas ask for seems like a lot. And then everybody argues against what you used to get well you you should be happy that you're getting this and not getting that right you know so it's the same thing with college sports when that shouldn't be the starting place you know you weren't never supposed like we started off in a up place you know what i'm

saying and so if we start off in the up place we're going to keep on like we're just not going to agree on what is fair so the answer will probably be 30 if that's the nba's model uh but i will use both of those professional leagues with some sort of guidance on how i would treat college sports that's a that's a whole different amount of money you know that right what is it so you said it was 24 million distributed between 11,000 players. What is that? Too much money for them to pay. Right now, they would never pay that, Mo.

You went from, you went, go ahead. But this is the conversation i'm having why not like why are we having this like to me like why are we having this conversation because you believe that these guys are and you have to think the production cost on a video game in 2024 is a whole lot different you don't need all the people you don't need all them bodies helping to produce the game technology has advanced so your production cost for the asset is a lot less but again if you don't think somebody is worth you're not going to give them and that's what everybody always argues against you know what i'm saying but until these guys say hey until college football or college sports in general stops to say okay we stopping all the

money until we renegotiate something or you do like those kids did in dartmouth and they basically are dartmouth however you said uh the school's name how they you how they started to unionize and they basically kept that real quiet because they don't want to give these fbs schools any ideas you're going to stay in the same situation i hate you mo that that is kind of crazy because I'm doing the math right now. And that's only about twenty four hundred. So do you think that really makes a difference? Huh? I wouldn't. What I would say is it's what I'm supposed to get or it's fair market value towards what it is that I'm producing.

I would say that. All right. So 2,400 in the game. Yeah. I still wouldn't want to do it for 2,400 in the game, not me personally. If I just realized I generated all this money for the school and for this game, I wouldn't want to do it for that. No, that's why I was doing the math because it is not that much different in a video game. But I guess they're paying Heisman's more. Heisman's got to get more than that. But what this sound like more is that you need to rally up the rest of the Heisman, at least like three or four Heisman and start doing the same thing they do in the NBA.

Start a team of people that can audit and make sure they speak for their own players. No, I mean, some of the reasons, part of the reason is keeping these kids, and sometimes I just do this for educational purposes, right? The reason you label these kids student-athletes is so you don't have labor rights. That is the whole thing. That is why they fight against this. That's why they try to keep them as students. That's why they don't want them to do anything other than be labeled student-athletes, because the moment you label these kids employees, then you have a whole different set of labor laws,

and then you can unionize, and then you can fight for yourself. So when you see what everybody's fighting for and what they're fighting against, they'll make these bullshit arguments that the kids should be grateful for 600 bucks or you have these bullshit stances that people take about nothing. But what these people are scared of that will really disrupt the system is when these kids decide to say, hey, classify us as employees of the state or employees of the school. And then you have a different set of rights and then you have a different legal team to then defend you. And then you're, you know, you're just in a different position to to basically fight for what you worth. Yeah, what I'll say is before we wrap this up, this is a little long segment.

It's that whatever it is, they better get it together. You know, Ed O'Bannon sued EA Sports already. And you know what's ironic about his lawsuit is that he and the players during the time that EA Sports was doing the college basketball, taking people's name and likeness before it was legal for college students anyway, they reached a buyout for $60 million. So each player during that time would get around $1,500 to $1,600 after the lawsuit. But the wildest shit out of everything. So you got $60 million settlement for however many kids, which equals out to each kid

getting $1,500. But the lawyer fees and the lawyers made $44 million. Who won? Wow. That's crazy. That is crazy. So my two cents,

I think they would have just been better off not saying the dollar amount that they were going to offer each athlete because I do think that some athletes honestly I think they would have just been better off not saying the dollar amount that they were going to offer each Athlete because I do think that some athletes honestly should get paid more than others So by just saying flat rate 600 doesn't make sense to me Especially knowing that some madden players like for the game some got paid 17 000 and some got paid 28 000

So I think it was a silly move because honestly if I was a student athlete I would just boycott it because they need them to agree to be able to even put them in the game to begin with so I've just been like look We're giving money to student athletes who opt in It's negotiable with your agent and went from there because now it just sounds silly that you're getting six hundred dollars Because six hundred dollars in college. That's not even enough to pay for like Textbooks textbooks be like two hundred dollars a book if you got six classes, that's still not enough So it doesn't make sense, especially knowing how much athletes are getting paid nowadays So I just think it was silly on their part

But um, we're gonna go to break and when we return we will discuss Nick Saban. Don't go anywhere She call this thing about toxic Four years and counting Got you feeling like an option Maybe I'm my own problem, babe. She tired of hearing, I don't know. What's happening to me won't fall. Dealing with this thing called trust. But she really thinking about wanting me free. Why am I in this one? Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog fantasy picks of the day. Why am I in this one way free?

Welcome back. Now let's get into our Underdog Fantasy picks of the day. Tonight, the Bucks will play the Timberwolves. Underdog Fantasy has Giannis at 28 and a half points. Do you have him higher or lower, Mace? Lower. Okay. Higher.

Okay, Damian Lillard is at five and a half assists do you have him higher or lower Cam higher higher okay and Anthony Edwards is at seven and a half first quarter points do you have him higher or lower Mace how many points seven and a half first quarter that's a that's a good one against the the Bucks, higher. Low. Okay. Download the Underdog Fantasy app and you can make your picks too. We are joined back

with our analyst, Maurice Claret. So, Nick Saban said he wants to be the voice of change in college football. He said, if my voice can bring about

some meaningful change, I want to help any way I can because I love the players and I love college football. So, just in general, what do you think Nick Saban can do, Maurice? Yeah, I won't be long-winded on this one, but it's mighty convenient that he's speaking up about this after he's done. He was in a position for the last five to 10 years to make a significant change. He could have done what Jim Harbaugh did.

He could have definitely tried to champion this when he was in the system. But this is the core reason of why he left. But where I get scared is that somebody will say, make him the savior and the leader. And remember from like week one, two or three, when his buddy in Congress from West Virginia was speaking out against this.

I'm scared that those two will get together and that you'll have just a bad system in place for college athletics that restricts young people. I want to say niggas. I'm going to say niggas, young black kids from earning what they are worth inside the system. Yeah, it's almost like putting somebody there that, you know, everybody respects this name. When really, I'm going to call cap, really, because Nick Saban, you only saying this because Jim Harbaugh, we got the championship back down there in Michigan, so this is your way to act like you did what Jim Harbaugh wanted to do. I don't buy it. I call

it cap. Excuse me. I agree with Mo. It's mighty convenient that this is what you have to say now after you're gone. It's mighty convenient that this is what you have to say now after you're gone. It's not even enough for me to say about it. It's very convenient. Now you want it to mean something, bro.

What Nick Saban's going to do for the next couple years, I don't know if he plans on coming back or not coming back to coach eventually one day or if he's really wrapping up. But what you're going to do is see the most backlash you've ever seen on college football next season and the next couple of seasons because he's not involved in it. And there's going to be a, if I was here, you know, this is the problem now.

If you would have did it like this, then this is why players aren't doing this I mean I don't know if he has plans on doing broadcasts or analysts but him on TV

I'll tell you one thing you may not like it but it would be very funny for me to watch or listen to him I should say because his hate

is going to be vicious for the next couple of seasons or everything he sees college football related that he doesn't like or he's not because his hate is going to be vicious for the next couple of seasons or everything he sees college football related that he doesn't like or he's not associated to. When I say associated to,

close friends, this coaching or AD or something like that. He's going to hate. That's just going to happen. He's on game day. Yeah. Oh, he's going on game day?

Yeah, he's going on game day. Okay. Maybe not on game day, but on's going on game day Okay Maybe not on game day But on his personal time His personal time He will hate Well he talks about it differently He joins Pat McAfee

On a regular Over on ESPN You know they They allow to be a little left On the show Right Right We'll see

Okay Adrian Peterson said Some of his football trophies had been auctioned off by mistake. He said in a state sale company without his authorization included some of his trophies in a sale, despite clear instructions to leave personal items untouched. He said he did not authorize the sale of any of his trophies and will be taking legal action. How do you even think that happens, Maurice First? Well, I just want to be very careful about this for two reasons. One, I've been knowing Adrian since he was about, you know, 17, 18 years old. So I would consider him

a friend and knowing he comes from like uh the football community just like respectfully saying but i know that when i read when he was in washington uh he took like a a hard money loan from somebody when he was running through or when he had a financial woes in detroit from either kids or bad investments and he signed like this crazy loan if anybody googles it they'll see the same thing i think so i'm not really talking bad about him. But I think that's just part of this. You know, and I don't know where he's at. But in regards to just just advice for just young guys. And I'm like so serious about this. Right. I was like everybody else didn't know too much about business, didn't know too much about a whole lot. didn't know too much about business, didn't know too much about a whole lot.

But one thing that I think these athletes do, football players in particular, basketball players too, they have access to super high level successful people, business owners and everything else, right? And instead of standing around people partying, hanging, being like a mascot to their friend group or whatever it is, man, get somebody who's built a business or get somebody who runs business and sit down with these people and understand the operations of things that are going on around you. And I think what happens with all these situations, man, where athletes either run into financial woes, and it's not to talk about his situation in particular, I'm not trying to do that, but just a lot of guys in general, uh,

we, we seem to surround ourselves with successful people, but we, we get around and we want to be part of the entertainment group rather than the business group. And I think that more athletes end up in these situations, uh, from that, but I've learned everything from just hanging around more successful people.

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Yeah. Was he divorced? What is the reason this stuff was being sold? What is the reason I'm going, man? Because Moe tap dancing because he know the nigga. I dig it. I'll be like that sometime. The nigga Adrian Peterson was selling his shit. He met his quota.

And he's like, yo, don't do the trophies if we made it to 10,000. Why would you do the trophies if we made it to 10,000. Why would you do the trophies? I told you don't do the trophies if we made 10. They made 12. Nigga want his trophies back because he made his quota. That's it for me.

That's crazy. Yo, if you play football, right, what's the amount of money that Adrian Peterson made during his career? He may have made enough to be set. You said he made some bad investments. Yeah, so so the story goes, this is just people I know who knowing he got, you know, about eight or nine kids. And, you know, it comes with mothers and expenses and just just normal shit when you young and and you live a while right and for whatever reason he got into a situation stat can pull the story up but he got into a situation in washington where he was like taking

like it's like you use three million or five million from somebody or a million from somebody you paying back like 33 on a million or 27 on a million don't quote me on it but it is something crazy i remember reading it and like you can't be fucking paying 33 on a a million or 27% on a million don't quote me on it, but it is something crazy I remember reading it and like you can't be fucking bad 33% on a fucking million dollars unless you hustling You know and this nigga playing football and he defaulted on his loan So they know he has assets and so motherfuckers coming for it You know saying and that's the situation that he's in Are the situation he was in and even to hear him even to see more that on that on the situation that he's in or the situation he was in. And even to hear him, even to see him on that on his IG, you know, seeing him like that. I don't want to see him fucked up or see him in any situation where he's even defending if he's fucked up or not.

Because if you're defending that you fucked up, you fucked up. You know what I'm saying? And that's it. Yeah, this goes back to what Cam was saying about once you get money, how you budget so you can live long the same way. I never really feel sorry for people that go broke, that that ball hard, you know, because that's part of where you end up. If you if you ball too hard, you got to have a plan other than just to spend money and look elaborate. other than just to spend money and to look elaborate. You got to have a plan to just keep that same lifestyle for the duration of the time you're going to be here on earth.

So when I see people that, and I don't know his situation, so this is not to him. This is for any athlete, any entertainer. If you had that much courage to do that, you should have had courage to do business because that's how you're going to stay rich. Do you want me to give the story real quick or you want to give your thoughts?

On what? Like, just like what happened to his money. Do you want to give your thoughts first? I told you my thoughts. You said he had nine baby mothers. See, what Mason Maurice is doing is giving y'all and well- a well educational lesson on how to budget your money.

And they're absolutely right. I'm just getting down to what happened with this scenario. The nigga needed a certain amount of money. He says, sell the trophies if we got to. He made what he needed to make. And so he's like, we didn't need to sell the trophies to get what i need to get now i gotta act like i didn't want to sell the trophies where were they selling this at auction and then they tried to say yeah a storage unit what oh my goodness yeah the trophies was bound to go this storage lord forgive us please please please please

god thank you so much god's been good yeah for real man thank you guys so much storage out this storage yo fam the nigga the nigga said he got to take legal action. I ain't laughing at you. I ain't laughing because, like, I want Mase a little bit, B. Not even a little bit, a lot of it. I'm just trying to sound nice about it. When you had tens of millions or hundreds of millions of dollars.

I can't feel sorry for you. I can't feel bad for you, bro. I can't do it, man. I can't feel sorry for you I can't feel bad for you bro I can't do it man I can't bro There's no way in the world That you gonna sit here And try and make me feel bad Neither

Yeah I know how niggas feel now When they see niggas who used to have it And a nigga don't have it It's like what I'm supposed to feel Like bro There's some people that never had it Yeah exactly And never gonna get it Right In vogue people that never had it. Yeah, exactly. And never going to get it.

Right. In vogue, you're never going to get it. Yeah. And this nigga done had it three times, Paul, and don't got it. Yeah. And then try to make it seem like, because you know what happens is, niggas, when you Adrian Peterson, who's a fucking, was an elite running back, niggas start bragging about when they got his shit.

Yeah. You know, I got his shit. You know, I just got, I bought the trophy. Yeah, I got the trophies at the crib and all that. Where you get this from? This is real. I got this from Adrian Peterson. The storage unit.

The storage unit. No disrespect. I'm just telling you how I read into the story. Adrian Peterson, I hope unit. The storage unit. No disrespect. I'm just telling you how I read into the story. Adrian Peterson, I hope you do have some money. I hope this was... Listen, I sell shit that I don't need no more because I got houses with just clothes in them. Like, no cap.

I'm just mad clothes, so I try and get as much giveaway stuff. And some things I do sell that's pricey that I may want a couple dollars back on my investment, whether it's a fur or leather. Sneakers, I always get my sneakers away. I would say that this was one of them situations until he wants to take legal action.

Now it seems like it was more than just trying to be nice and auction shit off. Right. So it's kind of a two-part question because he did make over $100 million in earnings. And his attorney says that he's the victim of a massive fraud, just trusting the wrong people who took advantage of his money and then having to pay lawyers and then sports agencies,

sports managers, and then just splurging a lot when he was younger. So the next question is, what do you think keeps athletes in these scenarios? Because a lot of athletes file for bankruptcy after they retire. And how can they extend their on-field success to after the game when it's over? And Maurice, actually, we'll let you answer that first. have to be around people who are more successful and instead of entertaining yourself say man how did you build what you have and that starts you on a whole different journey and once you learn that uh the chances are are a lot slimmer and now that i heard the story it makes a little bit give me a little bit paul's sympathy for him. Because I remember when I first got a deal with Bad Boy Records, right? I think it was my first business manager. He ran off not just with my

money. He ran off with everybody's money. So we have no money to pay taxes. This nigga ran off with everybody's money. We couldn't find him and it was so easy to just say oh deal maxine got the money because of this or this person ain't got the money because of that and then when i look back i think a bunch of us had i think it was i don't want to say nobody's name but it was a few few rappers more than a handful of like niggas when i mean i was i didn't have a deal then, but I remember a nigga, you, Kuda, and then went down to his office and the office was nothing in it.

Don't test. I was like, what? No, no, it was like a movie. Everything was just gone. I said, I'm going to kill this nigga. What's the booking agent? He was down there with his pistol. I can't remember the booking agent name.

He used to do all them shows back then. That nigga was down there with his pistol. I can't remember the book and the agent's name. He used to do all them shows back in the day. That nigga was down there with his pistol. I can't forget his name with the boy. Yeah, so that's why it just struck a nerve with me, Paul, to even hear that

because this was like right when I started going crazy. So I had a few dollars, you know what I'm saying? And then when it came time to pay, I was just like, yo, where's all the money? So I'm asking Kuda.

He's like, man, yo, we need to talk. I said, talk? We got to go down there. So Kuda, we went down there. And like Killer said, I called Killer. I called a few niggas. We got down there. There was nobody in the office.

I mean, cleared out like like bruce almighty when he was talking who was that who was that he was talking to um morgan morgan freeman it was nothing on the floor yo i remember that i remember that yeah that's when you and and not pocket watching you over the years, but that's when you first started getting, so it wasn't like mad, mad money. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

But it was all nigga had. Yeah. And that's when the name just got on. If it's 60,000, it's 60. I don't care. Yeah, and this is when you thinking, oh, this can't happen to me because such and such is up here.

So this is, let this be a lesson to me because such and such is up here. So this is, let this be a lesson to all of you that this person is there. When he's saying such and such, just so the audience is clear. Yeah.

And we're just using fake, not fake names, but he's saying, what Mase is saying, I know what you're saying, I just want the audience to be clear. What Mase is saying is,

he's saying this can't happen to him because Mariah Carey's there or Jennifer Lopez is there or DMX is there. Sorry. Yeah, like Lil Wayne is there. DMX is there. So my money got to be safe with these people.

And it's like, no, not necessarily. That may be the whole play because you think all these other people are there. You trust them with your career. And people do this to this day. They just hear that certain person is with this agency. I'm going to go with this agency. No, you got to do the due diligence because it doesn't mean because it went well for them,

it's going to go well for you. Or that the company is going to be there when you need your money. Okay. And then last question before we wrap. So last night at the suns versus mavs game Katie is running onto the court and two mavs fan decide to call him a bitch So rather than ignoring them and keep walking katie turns around gets in their face and asks them basically what they said

Woman standing there still with her hand out trying to cheese in his face And then the guy proceeds to say that he has a sports podcast basically trying to say that he was trying to get a reaction out of katie katie immediately turns around stops listening to them and walks back to the court if you guys saw the video how do you guys feel about how katie handled the situation marie's first oh yeah well he handled it the way it needed to be handled i think like at some point i think he knows that he wasn't going to do anything to them, but I think he wanted to let them know that if I did turn around and you look at me in my face, you wouldn't say all the crazy shit that you're saying,

uh, just like he did. And I think like, you know, those dudes is regular guys, man. They live regular lives. Right.

So it's only so many bitches, so many holes, so many dumb ass niggas and just all the heckling that goes on. Like sometimes you just going to catch somebody in the right mood and they caught him in the right mood. And I think it was right before warm ups. And so, you know, he I think he just wanted to turn around and let him know, like, motherfucker, I'm 6'11 and we'll slap the shit out of both of y'all. And that's what dudes start talking about his fucking podcast. And that's what dudes start talking about his fucking podcast.

Yeah, that's an interesting one because I always was taught, don't engage unless you're ready to go all the way. Pause. Because for somebody like Kevin Durant, if he turns around and goes to this person, and let's say they just swing, now he's in a wow situation because now he got to defend himself and he's the biggest loser of it all so I would

try to stay away from that that's a good point this goes back to what I talked about maybe a week or two ago so where and don't get me wrong certain words trigger men pause when you call and you say may tell a nigga suck my dick pause or call a nigga if you in the When you call and you say, Maitre Niggas suck my dick, pause.

Or call a nigga, if you're in the South, you call a nigga a fuck nigga. Or, you know, certain shit triggers people. Or you call anybody a nigga and you're not a nigga. So, I dig that. But when you're a certain athlete, such as Kevin Durant, I agree with Mace, you got to look at the overall scenario of where this could place you. This goes back to what I was saying a couple weeks ago is how I first started.

Is when I was saying that, and I'm guilty of this also is that same thing. KD walks in that arena. You know how many people tell him, KD, I love you. K, I love you. And I said, he don't give a...

Appreciate y'all. But you're not going to give everybody a five. And the reason I'm saying this is because when I brought this up a few weeks ago, I said I'm guilty of it too. So when I see a hundred

Instagram posts, comments, Instagram comments, but I replied to the niggas hundred Instagram posts, comments, Instagram comments, but I reply to the niggas and say, fuck you, Cam. You a piece of... Now I'm writing him

a paragraph instead of responding to the hundred people that showed me love. This one ignorant comment got me coming out of character and now I'm in a back

and forth with this nigga when I could have responded to the hundred people that showed me love. And I think us as black people need to work on that. Okay. And then this segues into Maurice's last question. He said,

what is something that people do that annoys you that they might not be aware of? Laundry. Listen, that shit. Uh, laundry list of that shit I gotta think that's a good question that's a good one I got a lot

go ahead let's go one for one I'll tell you one better I'll tell you the stuff that I used to have to deal with

in my house that nigga told me I was doing was annoying what my grandfather told me I was doing was annoying. What my grandfather told me I was doing. My grandfather told me that he didn't want me. The silverware to touch my teeth when I ate.

So when I ate, I'm eating mad paws. Gingerly. Because he would drop his silverware and do all this shit if my teeth hit the silverware. He said, every time I go in the bathroom, why do I have to flush the toilet? He told me I put the toilet paper on the roll backwards. That pissed him off. I didn't know you could put toilet paper on the roll backwards. I thought that comes down either way know you could put toilet paper on the roll backwards I thought that

comes down either way that you put the toilet paper on why do I keep taping on the VCR I'm gonna break it for those that don't know about a VCR that's what it was made for to record to record things

stop using the microwave so much you're going to use it up. Shut that door. You're running my heat bill up. Shut that door. I'm running your heat bill up. Well, every time you go in your room,

you go to up. Yeah. Well, every time you go in your room, you go to sleep. Yeah. Me and Mace used to come to school, and I have a list of what Lucky said and what my grandfather said. Because it was just so ridiculous. Yeah, can you keep your mouth closed while you're eating? Yeah. How can you keep your mouth closed? you're eating. Yeah. How can you keep your mouth closed? Imagine trying to do it, though.

It's when you're sitting there, you're like. It was. No, it was unreasonable. Yo, I used to fall asleep with the TV on. And he would. Yeah, I realized this, like like that was my grandpops but it was really my grandmother

husband so I you know nigga take a little advantage of me because I wasn't blood related like that but the last thing

he would tell me stop falling asleep with the TV on I said alright one night I came in I came in late I'm in the room I went to turn the TV on

that nigga kicked the door and said I unplugged it and you better not plug it back in because you keep falling asleep with it it was ridiculous man it was wild man I'm just I don't get irked to that level. Maybe Mace does got something going on. It's not. I just think of the stuff we used to come to school and talk about. Yeah, we used to come to school. I forget what Lucky said. Yeah, he asked, remember they had the lock on the phone that go like this.

He said, who moved the lock on the phone? The phone, you used to have to put your finger in and do one. A rotary. Yeah, and do nine. So my family was so cheap. This nigga put a lock on the zero so you couldn't move the ball

so I slid it to the one I got a bobby pin and figured out take the lock off and forgot to put the lock back on the one. Who moved the lock?

I don't know. Maybe the phone people Oh shit We come a long way Stan had no idea what we talking about. I was like, what? Stabbed no idea where our rotary phone go. Yeah. Nah, because if it's on zero, you can't call nobody.

Nigga put it on zero. Yeah. Yeah, man. Yeah, it should have been. Yeah. Yeah, man. Yeah, it should have been. Yeah, but true. My guy Lucky and my grandfather, me and Mason, used to come to school and say, oh, you think you got it bad?

This is what I'm dealing with. Oh, man. I don't know about what irks me, but that's some of the shit I guess I was doing to irk. My grandfather, I was staying with him. Oh, man. Oh, man. And then you're, that's that.

All right. Well, Maurice, thank you for being here. Mo, appreciate you, baby. We see you next week. Mo, see. Later. All right, bro. Okay. Mo appreciate you baby we see you next week later alright bruh that's all the time we have for today thanks for watching and as always

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