IT IS WHAT IT IS - AYO MASE THESE WAS YOUR RULES, NBA MVP RULES & RYAN WILLIAMS BE CAREFUL, BRO!

Episode Date: February 26, 2026

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Good, everybody. Welcome back to it is what it is, man. As you can see, I am today's host, analyst, moderator. I'm everything. Y'all seen the show two days ago. It's only been two days when Mace implied new rules that whoever is late is going to get dot, $500. So Mace is late and Stad is late. So we got $1,000 to divide it.

with me and the team, and I'm actually, I'm actually incited about it. These were bases rules. This was his rules. We gotta start being on time, yo. We can't do this anymore. We gotta start being on time, man.

That's his voice. You, Tris. You, Tris. What time did Cam tell you to be at the studio, though? As y'all can see, as y'all can see, I'm joined by Trish today. Good thing Trish is here. I would have to do the whole show Dolo.

Trish, how you doing, man? Oh, that's good, man. This is a great look. You in the middle seat. Just rocking it out. You know what? I'm feeling this shit, man. I really am, man.

But let's do this. Today's show is sponsored by Underdog. Download the app and make sure you get your favorite picks on the Underdog app who sponsored this show. I don't even know if I said that shit right, but make sure you download the underdog app and place your higher, lowers. You know, I don't want to say the wrong words and all that.

Salute the underdog. I love y'all motherfuckers, man. We got Trish on the show today. Tris was good. How you doing? Man, I'm just so excited. I'm excited to be here. We've got lots of things to talk about,

a lot of controversy, tons of topics that, are you ready for these topics? Are you got them? Listen, let me tell you something. We're going to do shit a little differently today. I got a bunch of things. of topics, but you can throw shit out there too. It's just me and you.

We're going to vibe out. We're going to fire out. That's what we do it. Let's do it. So we'll start today show with the Joker and SGA may not be qualifying for MVP race because of the amount of games that they miss this season. We know that SGA is the previous MVP. Joker has won three MVP's in the last four or five years, if I'm not mistaken.

And these are two of the best players in the game right now. Tris, let me ask you. ask you this, do you think that it's fair that they don't qualify to get an MVP award? Or do you think it's right how Adam Silver is handling people missing games and not being able to qualify? That's a good question. The first thing I did when I was looking this whole thing up was how many MVP's in history in a full season have played less than 65 games?

Like, is this rule even valid? The only player in history during a full season that won it was Bill Walton under 65 games. So I'm not really sure what the reason that they imparted this rule was. And I think that the MVP in general should probably be absolved of this rule. Maybe if you want to keep it for all NBA, I get that. But you're talking about the best players on planet Earth who are incentivized to come back early to avoid getting robbed of an award that they absolutely deserve, right? Shea, I want to just kind of like take a step back and talk about Shea for a second.

30 points plus per game. True shooting percentage, 67% best ever in a season for somebody scoring 30 or more. All of the nerd stats, insane, win shares highest in the league, meaning he statistically contributes to winning more than anybody else. His P.E.R, another nerd stat, second in the league. And then you have Yokic, who also continuously is at the top of those lists. Those two together are on another planet. So if you look at a core strain for Shea, which is what he has,

that's what Damien Lillard ended up having to go into season-ending surgery, missed 29 games. And if he comes back early, just so that he, he can get that award, which I think he absolutely deserves. And say he gets injured in the playoffs? Is that what Adam Silver wants? Is that what the fans want? Is that what the league wants?

To me, that feels like a little bit of a robbery on top of the fact that we would then be giving the award most likely to Cade or Wemby, who I don't think deserve it at all right now. What you think? Those are valid points, and thank you for the stats. I think this, I think this rule was important. It's not now due to injury. I think this rule was implicated for low management, right?

So we had a real big problem with load management years ago. I mean, not saying it's still not going on here and there. We've seen Popovich started years ago when he sat down to Spurs on a Christmas day and he got fined $500,000 or something crazy. And they asked him why isn't Tim Duncan playing? He said, because he's old. Like, you know, that was his, that was his legitimate. answer, oh, because he's old.

So I think that's why that rule was implicated because you don't want to award people who's missing, what, 30% of season, 25% of the season. I don't know the exact number is on 65 games versus 82, but it's a good portion of the season. With that being said, I have mixed emotions about it because to me, these are legitimate injuries that SGA has and that we've seen what happened to Joker as well. and all the stats you just read off were just really, really amazing. So I'm kind of torn

because we've seen niggas act like not say they're hurt, but use time off of load management versus injury. I think that's the real conversation. When you say, yo, damn, Joker, averaging damn near, averageing another triple double again. But if he right now, so they have 24 games left,

if he misses, he can only miss one more game to qualify. If he misses two more games, which he probably will miss two games, hoping he doesn't knock on war for him, then he's out of it. You know, we're talking about when we're sitting there saying threatening not to get it, Joker's on the edge of the cliff of literally not getting it. I don't know where SGA numbers are at the moment. I don't have to have stats in front of me. But Joker misses two more games, he's ineligible,

and he's averaging the triple double. Me personally, my personal opinion is this. The best player in the league, the last four years, maybe five years, is the Joker. I'm not arguing about it, argue with your mother, argue with whoever you want to argue with. I love the Joker. He's the best player in the league.

But if we're talking about an MVP, he's always in the conversation the last three, four years for MVP. Even the year Joe L.M.B. got MVP. I think Joker had missed that out and missed like the last eight, nine games. I think he gets that MVP if he didn't sit out of them games. and Joelle and B did sit out. So I think Joker easily could be the MVP the last five years. Even when we're thinking about SGA last year,

Joker averaged the triple double, and his stats last year were better than all the previous years, the year that he won MVP. And I say a Shay shouldn't have got it. I'm just saying if we're talking about stats and what he does with the team, et cetera, et cetera, Joker's in the conversation every year. But the best player doesn't always get MVP.

We've seen that. We seen LeBron when Braun was in his prime going crazy, back to back. LeBron, people tend to forget because we compare him to Michael Jordan. And a lot of people will say, look, stop doing that. Let's stop doing that. But you know, you have younger people who didn't see Michael Jordan be like, Braun's the best. I'm like, you can't argue with that neither.

LeBron went to 10 straight finals. Straight, straight. Whatever he won or lost, 10 straight finals. And he didn't get MVP every year. It's times Michael Jordan could have got MVP every year, but he didn't get MVP every year. So to me, sometimes the best player doesn't always get the MVP. Now, when we sit there and think about what Jalen Brown is doing right now for the Boston Celtics,

to me, if I had to pick an MVP right this second, I'm picking right this second Jalen Brown. We sit there and say, okay, cool, he's Batman, Robin. We don't know who's Batman and Robin Tatum or him or this and third. And of course, everybody's particularly going to go with Tatum because Tatum was kind of the face of the franchise. Not saying Jalen Brown wasn't a good robin. But then when the finals came or even the playoffs, he got the MVP that year that they won the championship for the playoffs.

Then he got the finals MVP. Then he got snubbed and didn't go to the Olympics. Or if you want to call it snub, he didn't make the team. I think with Jalen Brown doing right now with, what's my poor Zingis going, out Hartford? gone, not saying Derek White isn't good, not saying Preston isn't a good player. Listen, bro, what he's doing now having them second in the east is amazing. Now, we all thought coming into this season that the Knicks, the Knicks were going to

be the one easily to go to the finals coming into the season. The whole landscape has changed since then. We're not sure what the Knicks are going to do, not saying that they can't make a run, but now you got James Harton and Cleveland. We're seeing the emergence of Kay Cunningham and the Pistons up there who are elite in the east. But if we're talking back to the original topic that we're talking about, I'm going with Jalen Brown. When you think about usage percentage, right?

Joker's 22nd or 23rd or something like that and usage percentage in the NBA. Jalen Brown is second. So that means his team is depending on him to win these games and to have them in the position as much as the Boston Celtics have gone straight from their championship roster, because I didn't even bring up Drew Holiday. to have him with that and him spearhead net, that's who I have for MVP.

But the original topic is I'm torn between load management and real injury, Triss. That's how I feel about it. I'm glad that you came around on Jalen Brown. I've been beating this drum. I beat the drum on this show. Beat the drum on Instagram. I agree.

I think that really once he got done dirty by the Beverly Hills government, I think that's when the culture jumped in and said, oh, yeah, no, we got to step in and make this right as well. Jalen Brown's been playing MVP level ball all year. I just don't want Cade Cunningham to get it. That's really it.

I think there's a lot of fans in the comments who think I'm a Detroit Pistonsator, which I am not. I like Cade. Cade is nice. Detroit is having themselves a season. He deserves credit for that. But he is not in the same universe as Shea and Yokic. And if we have to give.

Kade the MVP this year. He should give it back. It is an asterisk. Because I don't believe in the Detroit Pistons and I don't believe that Kade is on the same level as Shea, Yoker, Yolkich, or even Jalen Brown right now.

We got Mace coming in. Well, $500 just walked in. You know, waiting on another five. Hey. You just look, another $500 just walking. You're not dressed, though. Yo, fam, you did not put a dress.

You did not. You're not dressed. You're not. Are you working like that? Yes, I am. I would have been on time if we're working on. You did not put a dress code. You did not put a dress code in the rule.

You just missed $1,000. You just missed $1,000. Here comes another $500 in. If it shows has started, me and Tris are, right? Come on in. You get on. Get in. Hey, look.

Glad you can make it. You know, listen, Mays just walked into you. I know. I need the money actually tonight. The staff actually needs the money tonight. We was all rooting against it. Hey, hey, man. Hey, Cam.

Thank you, murder. I'm going to need you dressed up. Come on in, man. Come on there, thank you. Bring everybody in. Come on, everybody. If I was not going to be dressed up, you got to put that on the text.

You put, you set the text up. Come on in, everybody. There we go. There we go, man. Here we go, fellas. There we go, man. Well, thank you. I guess we'll get stats later at a different day.

Everybody's like that. Everybody pay up. Yeah, but Mace, you got to put this in your room, man. You didn't put... I love it. I love it. I love it, too, man. Yeah, I like this.

Yeah. Good, good. I was sitting in, you prayed on my down four yesterday. You told niggas don't open the door for me. at 757. You told niggas don't open the door for me. So I'm happy how you can make it.

But me and Trisha have been doing the show. I'm moderating the show actually today's stats so you could just chime in from time to time and everything else. Are you counting dressed up? Mace, this was your email. This was your C-C. I'm just asking.

You call the shots, tell me. Yeah, I need you dressed up for my five. Okay. Where does the dress go? We don't have a casual. Do we have a casual Friday on this show? I'm just acting. Today is not Friday.

I'm just asking. Yeah, you can. I mean, technically, as long as you're here on time, I'm going to go for that. Because I'm going to say, you're never here on Fridays. So I don't know.

You're on the show on Fridays, but you're never here on Friday, so. We film on Zoom on Fridays, you film on Zoom. You know what I'm saying is, I just need to know the rules. So I don't have long as I'm here. Yeah, long as you're here, long as you're here.

The dress code. Where's stat five at, though? We're going to get it out. Also, I think the rules that were laid out also weren't even, like the first ones, yes, we said we would be here at, what, 1130 a.m. And then we said today we're going to do 30 minutes earlier. So, like, are we on the same accord? I'm asking. Like, I think this makes sense to ask right now since we're here.

Like, I'm like being on time for sure, get it. 11.30 in the morning. But like now it's 11 a.m. Like, how do you am? My name? Yeah. I'm like Spanish. You speak Spanish.

I know Spanish. Okay. Well, we said it in English. We, as in you, so I'm just clarifying. You know, I think that's fair, too. Did you mean K-T-Empa-ora? Is that what you met? Like, what time?

What time is it? No, we meant Nueve. I'm just hearing. So basically, basically, basically, from what I read on the threatening text and the threat email that everybody got with the explanations in the capitals, Monday through Wednesday is 9.30 sharp. And Wednesday and Thursday and Friday is 9 p.m. sharp. So that's what I was going on for.

Is that correct? Yes. You didn't know that? Okay. Well, I guess now we're on the same accord. Well, the thing about it is this stat, I would, I would go, I would say give you a chance to sign. But Nick already told me you called an expert time. You need to be here and he told you.

Yeah, I asked him if he was trying at 9 and he said he's doing his show at 9. So I'm like, that doesn't make sense. So Nick, you should probably give all your money if you fuck this. Like, I'm generally asking. I mean. It's different. He said he got the, uh, pro. Show the proof.

I literally asked. He said my show is at night. So I'm like, okay, we wouldn't start at nine if the show is at night. But I'm clarifying. Who said the show was at nine? No, he has his show at nine. He sent that to you in text? He says he has his show at nine.

You got a text of that? Can I see that? Because I might need my fire back. He's a show. He's a show. This is fair. We're on the same of court. I like it.

I love it. Like, I just want to clear that up. So if it makes sense, we'll do nine. Yeah, but this is. Thursday, Thursday. This is nothing new, you know? It is new, actually. It's actually new for everybody.

That's why I'm clarifying. Because it's like, I do like to be timely and hear when I'm told to be here. So I'm like, if that is what it is Wednesdays and Thursdays, I'll be here at 9. Okay. All right. I like it. I like it. Yeah, I love it.

Yeah. I love it. I love the morale of this. You know, I get up for this. So what we're doing about? stuff I want it. It's an ATM machine right there, right down the corner. There is an ATM.

I can't start without the five, right? Mr. Rundown. Yeah, I guess. I want to just look this way to. That would be another delay for me to go out of the ATM when I currently were both here late, so then technically, Kim would have the five, but if that's what we're saying. Oh, but I already gave my five stat. I walk in.

Yeah, Mace gets the split. I get this split. No, no, you're late too. You don't get no bread. The staff, me and the staff split everything. Y'all just missed, be honest with you, I was really hoping on the thousand because 15, not 15, it was 1,000.

I was praying on that, to be honest with you. And we did it by the, we did everything. Everything's documented. Let's move on with the show, man. Yeah, but they said the clock was early yesterday. So we're going with the clock. I just want to know. I already gave my money.

See, ask Trista. I said, we're going off the Apple time. I said, I'm not going off this clock. We're going up. And it's documented, murder. I love it. I love it too, man. I love it.

Stad doesn't look too enthused about it. Yeah, I don't love this, but I mean, what else do you want? Like, what else do you all it? Stad, you say you take pride in being on time out of me. Yeah, so like for me, like, especially for me, like, and I know this is not school, but like for someone who's a grade A student, does my test, do everything that I'm supposed to do, it's frustrating. So you guys might be handling it very well.

Yeah, I see. It's actually irritating me. I'm going to keep it cute. Yeah, no, I can tell the aggravation. Nick, this is really between y'all to it. At this point, we don't have anything to do with it. Yeah, I love it. Nick said he has to prove.

Let's move on, everybody. Nick, can I get to prove? Yeah, let's move on. Listen, so we're going to go to a little. Lamar Odom right now. Lamar Odom admits drugs stopped him from reaching his full potential in the NBA. He says, I love drugs. You're talking to a real drug addict.

Sometimes I did drugs and I ain't going to front. I had some great cocaine summers. Where do y'all feel about this? Because he says he should be in the Hall of Fame if he didn't do the drugs. We'll start with you, Trish. How you feel about it? Man, Lamar Odom, sober, is absolute. a Hall of Famer. I was like thinking about comps of Lamar Odom in 26. And I actually went to a 44-minute

highlight reel of Lamar Odom today, got into a rabbit hole watching him. His fluidity, his sheer force, his power, his ability to slash, transition, his handle, how how incredibly smooth he was, his passing, his court vision. Like he had shades. I think he was a, he could have been, he would have been a Hall of Famer, but in 2026, he's a better Tatum. I know that's crazy. I know that's an insane take.

He's got the power of Janus. He's got the bag and the fluidity of Tatum. And he's got somewhat of the passing ability of Yokic. And I know I'm going to get fried in the comments. Yeah, that's wild. But just go to the 44-minute YouTube clip of Lamar Odom and say, what is this man in 2026? Back in his day, he was the first positionalist player that really was that 6-10 monster

that could do all these different things that we now see everyone do. And it's in vogue in the NBA. So to me, it really was all about what was going on in Lamar Odom's head because he had one of the best basketball IQs in the league. And he starts doing drugs. And that really showed up into how he was processing the game. He obviously got, I don't know if this is relevant, but he got with Chloe Kardashian. He started wanting to live the L.A. Hollywood life.

I mean, he played college in Las Vegas. I don't think he was ever really set up to be in a location that kept Lamar Odom sober. But if he was sober, he would have been a Hall of Famer, in my opinion. Yeah, he played college in Rhode Island, but I get what you're saying. And he transferred to UNLV. Okay. Makes? Yeah, when it comes to Lamar Odom,

I still don't think there's anybody that matches his talent, right? When it comes to the ball handling, because you got people that pause that can dribble, but not what he was doing. He was sham garden, pros through people, legs, and, you know, and his ability was really, really, like, Paul's freakish in a sense that he was able to dribble like he was from 55, but he had the height of a guy that was playing,

that was playing power forward or sometimes center. So, you know, he was just, he was just really ahead of his time. I think, um, when you think of Lamar Odom, you can kind of say, I would, I would, I wouldn't, I don't even get Tatum because it's a different style of play. When I think of Tatum, I think of a walking bucket. When I think of Lamar Odom, I think of like flash and highlight and, you know, streetball. Tatum is more like just buckets on command.

Like, so when I think of Lamont Odom, it's just so many places. You would probably think like Ali Mo at 610, you know, Black Widow at 610. That's what I think. The first person I saw even similar to that was like Tim Thomas, right? But Tim Thomas didn't take that same game to the league. Lamar Odom took that same game to the league. So when it comes to his ability, I think we still haven't seen anybody like him. If Bow Ball was to do what the things he really could do,

I think he would be like the closest to what could have been. or Lamar Odom, but nobody else plays like that, you know. So, but I do agree with Trish that he's a phenomenal talent. I do agree that he would have been first ballot Hall of Fame because he already got some championships and he was on drugs. So who knows what he could have done off drugs? And it was just sad to find out that he was on drugs, you know, because growing up, I never saw him as a drug addict.

Stad, do you want to tell me? Yeah, I'll just add, I think, not even just athletes, It's like in all aspects of like entertainment, being an athlete or whatever you decide to pursue. I think we hear a lot of these stories of people who come out and talk about they had drug issues or they had some sort of substance abuse or something that kind of affected them reaching their full potential. And I think it's unfortunate because he is a phenomenal player. He has two rings. Like that's something that a lot of players strive to get if they want to be great.

And I believe this conversation was with Tracy McGrady. So being able to kind of admit that on the show and talk about it. One, I salute him for that. But two, also just to anybody watching or people who are involved in sports, it's just recognizing you do yourself a disservice when you allow other things to be distractions when you know that you could be reaching your full of potential. Because like we said, to see what he was able to do while on drugs and knowing what could have been or I guess not never knowing what could have been because we didn't get the opportunity to see it. It's unfortunate. And I think that you just like you're hurting your own talent. you're hoarding your own legacy and you have to realize you need to kind of X out everything else that's in the way because this is your legacy that you're building on. And that's what, I'm not going to say that's what people are going to remember because people still see the games and still see what you were able to do and how you help contribute to the title. But you don't want to look back and be like, dang, I could have done this much more. But because I let this get in the way, I've affected all that. So shout to him for being able to recognize that. But hopefully it's something that is either fixed or even just making sure that, like, mentioned

mental health is being taken to account more when people enter these spaces when they're under the spotlight and being around a lot of people and being watched so that you can be a better example for the future that has to come. That's what I would say. Right. I want to ask Mesa question before I give a take on this. How long do you think he's been on drugs? Because you've been playing like that since we as young.

We know Lamar Odom. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. It's kind of like baffling to think that all his life he's been on drugs. because that's what it seems like, you know. It seemed like he probably was on drugs since high school. So did that attribute to the game? Do you get that game without the drugs?

That's what I'm trying to think. We might not see all that without the drugs. That's why I asked you that. Yeah, the willingness to be that free and wow. Yeah, like the only other person, and I'm not saying they have the same game, I'm talking about the freeness to play, like you just said. It's like, and I think... Lamello.

Lamello. And I'm not saying that at the same game, but a nigga who just get on the court and be like, I don't get a fuck, what's going on? We're in the park. Do you think Drugs was a part of the reason he played the way he played? Yeah, I really do think that was a part of it. Even when you think of, like, how he gets,

he catches the ball and he's just out. It's just, you know, he doesn't think like he's a power forward or he's a small forward. He was actually playing like he was a one. And so I think that was that was good. But that probably came through. I don't know if I want to say drugs because he he wasn't that tall until later. He got he got that growth spurt.

And then he was like a point guard that grew a couple more inches. And now all of a sudden pause, he's a small forward and a power forward. Yeah. I'll chime in real quick. Shout to Lamar Odom, phenomenal talent. Makes Gary some great takes because it's hard to find somebody who has. got a game, like he gave him to play. That was the word that I didn't think of freely.

Yeah. You know, like, you see lamello ball, when they see Lamel ball, niggas be like, is he even taking this shit serious? Because the shit's still going in, he's still bust and actually, like, this nigga is playing 24-hour fitness in the NBA. One leg, fade away, threes.

Spinning around, do all type of shit. And to me, that's the, well, freedom net, or free, free-ness, or whatever the word makes use this for Lamar Autumn. That's how I figured that he played because we got to watch him play before the NBA. We got to watch him play in the summertime outside of NBA. And he's always been one of them niggas that can handle the ball

and do a bunch of things. Maceboard or pipe, to me he has the best sham guard outside of my nigger's sham guard ever. When he's sham guard the nigger in Goucho Jim and then start doing the Al B afterwards, he starts dancing. He knows how to entertain the crowd as well. So I don't know if that's from. from cocaine, but thank you, if it was.

Thanks for your service. It's been a cocaine week. Nick to... Because at the end of the day, I enjoyed every minute watching Lamar Odom, so I don't know if the drugs helped him or not, but he's obviously saying it did him a disservice. I was very entertained with you on drugs.

I don't know if I'm going to be entertained if you're not on drugs. I don't know. You may not have been willing to do the shit that you didn't do. What are you doing, Larry, out here, except spending $100,000 a night in the whole house? Lamar. Max.

We were all here for about eight days straight, spent $100,000 a night. Viagra, all that shit. Lamar old and wild out, man. That niggas just said he had some great cocaine summers, man. Cocaine summers is crazy. Cocaine summers is wild, man. Y'all don't think he skipped a generation?

Because I thought the 80s was full of cocaine, for the NBA. Well, I'll say this. I think that it isn't necessarily skipped a generation. It's about his environment. If you grew up doing that shit, it's hard to shake, and then especially if you're successful.

Like when people say environments, right, just real quick, like the 70s was heroin, the 80s was cracked, 90s was it. It was all of them drugs still around in all them generations. We're just saying we're ruled that decade,

but all them drugs was still around. So it wasn't like the 80s is crack and there's not no more cocaine. So whatever. But Lamar Odom, I'm proud of you, brother. I wish I would have seen you win a little longer. You was a big part of them two championships that Kobe, Gasol, and the rest of them guys got down there. Just wish it would have lasted a little longer. But you know what they say?

Murder that Kardashian shit, man. Yeah. What you think about that, man? When he started messing with the Kardashians, do you think he went downhill after that? I think when he met the Kardashians, he was already on drugs. I think they just pick them well, right? Like when it comes to that family, they pick the right guys. Like, they probably wouldn't, they wouldn't data cam.

You get what I'm saying? They know who they can get away with it. Chloe Charlotte at me. She caught, you know, okay. But you know, I'm a sudden, she definitely reached out. She threw a life line. She threw a kite out. She threw a kite out.

I ain't bite. No, we don't. Is this pre-free surgery, pre-revenge body or post-revenge body that she threw a kite out? I would say probably 2007, eight, maybe. You know, I was real eclectic, pink range rovers, all type of shit, you know. She actually was on the radio saying how fine I was one time on Hot 97.

Niggas like, ooh. And I'm like, nah. But I think this was a little chubby or chloe. This wasn't the skinny Chloe. So whatever you say, whichever one is when she was a little more on the chubby side. But shout out to Chloe. Shout out to Chris, Claude de Jenner's. All them.

All them niggins, you know what I'm saying? Yep, you know what I'm saying? Was he the same time as Lloyd Daniels? Y'all knew Lloyd Daniels. Boy, Danes was older than us. Okay, okay. Like Lamar's probably two, three years younger than. Maybe younger than us.

Lloyd is older than us by like 10 years. Okay. And Lamar's probably like a year or two younger than us, if that. Moving on. We talked about this a little bit yesterday about how Cam Newton was saying that having kids, for a female to have kids, some guys may not want you.

I can't remember the exact verb as he said, but go to yesterday's show and see how we chimed in about it. Right now we're talking about Alabama's 19-year-old star wide receiver of Ryan Williams has announced his engagement to his 25-year-old girlfriend who has a child from a previous relationship. Trish, what do you think about that? I mean, just the whole story is pretty wild considering Ryan Williams and the talent that he has

before we even get to the engagement. because I was just trying to put myself in his shoes in terms of what the life is when you get married to a woman who has a kid probably, I don't know for sure the age, but I'm just imagining under five years old and you're trying to be a top receiver at Alabama and get into the draft.

So he comes in as a freshman. And he looks like the second coming, right? He's unguardable. He had everybody saying he was a top five pick even as a freshman at 18 years old. The whole country knew his name. And then this year, he fell off. He was dropping everything.

We're talking about a guy who finished with multiple crucial drops in these big game situations. Alabama's passing game was super suss. His yards per game dropped from his freshman year. And he said that that was because of his mental. He said it was a mental issue. And his coordinators even said, we can't trust you down the stretch to catch the ball.

Like, you're already starting to see your draft stop slip, right? And so now you're getting with somebody, you're going into your junior year with a fiancé, with a girl who's, I don't judge like age differences, but she probably met you when you were 17, 18 years old, a stepchild, wedding planning, cohabitation, all while you've got to try to get your mind right. You're dealing with film room. You're dealing with practice, two a day's, routes, playbooks, all of that with a kid who needs a ton of attention. I don't know how he's going to be able to manage that, considering all the things that this kid needs and the woman needs. If I was him, I would just probably get my own apartment until I got drafted.

Not to mention the fact if something goes wrong, you married this girl before you ever got into the league. And now if it doesn't work out, she's going to take half and probably get a great lawyer along the way. And how many times are you going to grow and evolve? You're 19 years old. What you want in somebody probably will evolve. you're getting a lot of opportunities in and on and off the field. I just don't understand why somebody would make this decision, truly. Yeah, Trish, before we go forward, I got to back up.

Lamar Odom never played in Vegas. I can't have you on the show saying he played in Vegas. We just can't do that. He never played in Vegas, Trista. I want you to be out there with the experts, and they take your expert card away. You know, you're with me, so I got to, I got it. We're about to have a find out.

We're going to see who's right on this murder. He didn't play for the rebels. Okay. Well, the scholarship got revoked. Yeah, he got picked up, but he never played. But he ended up going to you and LV and then just left early? He never, he said his scholarship got revoked. So I think he got a separate, but never actually went to go.

Yeah, you're up here with experts. You know, if you're going to be up here with experts. My bad, my bad. Let me hand up my bad. I like that. I like that. That's accountability. Yeah, I love accountability.

You know, I wish, I wish, I wish. Stad would have had a hand up today, but, you know, we got to get it from you, you know. Statt pissed off today. Yeah, my food is not here. But hey, everyone. That is bad today, man. Yeah, don't play with Stad today, Stad. Yeah, it's not bad, man.

Yeah, we're going to have to move on from that. Let me ask you a question real quick. Would you get mad if you got, like, a seat? I never had a seat. See, that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She wouldn't know. What about a B?

A B's fine. Okay. But, like, would your parents, would your parents, Would your parents get mad at a beat or just... I mean, my parents just always, like, it was always just good grades because I knew what I wanted to do. So it was like, it's not like your parents said you had to go to this. It's like, I know that I have skill, knowledge to get things done.

So if I'm not doing well and I'm actually trying, no, I'm not okay. I'm just like that, though. You know, it's just a little attitude. I like that. I like that. I like it. So, so what? What needs to happen here is we got to just come early.

That way we'll be here on time. And maybe all discuss at the same time, the time that we're going to come in and not say it's Wednesday and Thursday in the middle of the week and then just show us or not. Snufflingka, that doesn't make sense. That's right, the snuff niggas. I feel it. Just that right, swing on, I'm a little scared.

I'm going to leave a whole situation alone. I'm going to lead all this alone. I'm a little worried today. Murder. Let's get it. Let's move on to the Alabama running back. Yeah, go ahead. So wide receiver.

I'm in wide receiver. Yeah, we got to know what we're talking about up here. Hold up. Wait, you know, I was accuracy, Mace. Yeah, we're segueing. That's why I caught myself because I'm loaded with so much knowledge. It's hard for me to go on with it not being correct. But when it comes to Alexis that we're talking about, Ellis,

I think, you know, the season that we're in, the women are just really good at the guys they're picking, right? Even when we were talking about earlier, about Chloe, like they're picking the right guys, you know? In our day, I just think women wasn't this good in the guys they pick. Or was they ever this good, killer, and the guys they picked. Yeah, they were good. It was a lot.

I mean, it's just, you know what it is? It wasn't a lot of social media. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You got to think about this, right? And I'm just saying it like it is, because my favorite play all the time. But you marry Michael Jordan

and then you divorce him in six weeks. You file for a divorce in six weeks after, come on. Right or wrong. That's smooth. It's kind of wild. You know what I'm saying? I just think it wasn't a lot of social media. We're looking at somebody like,

and I hate to keep, you know, I'm learning to try and stay away from this, but it's always in our face. sports. We're looking at Scotty Pippins. Mm-hmm. Baby mother. Yeah, Murdo, it was going on. It was just... It was picking the right now. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But it just wasn't a lot of... You couldn't go straight to the point with your Instagram or your Snapchat or your TikTok.

So, yeah, I believe it was going on. Yeah, that would be my take, you know. I hope that the relationship works out well. But it normally works out better if the man is slightly a little bit older than a woman. versus the woman being older than a man that's that kind of always screams um her kind of grooming him not not that alexis is doing this but when a woman is normally older she's picking a guy that she can navigate she's picking a guy that she can mold into the man that she want him to be and most times it's better if the guy can be the teacher of the woman in some kind of regard versus the woman teaching him.

That's just what history shows. I think it's situational because I don't know how they met because I know you see, like, now we're going back to the ages, but I know you see 19 and 25. I mean, y'all know I went to Miami. There was very much 30-year-olds in my class. Like, there was a range. So one, how they met is important. Two, my thing is as long as he doesn't fumble the bag,

as long as he continues to play well because he's one of the most looks. at names. I can't give you exact stats and exact rankings compared to the other wide receivers, but I know he's done pretty good being on Alabama's team. If he feels like marriage is right for him, because also there's a lot of people who are like that, especially at, I would say, like, southern colleges. Yes. And a lot of them do get married early. Like to other places, that seems crazy, but a lot of the people who went to, like, Louisiana, went to school to Mississippi, like that's kind of like that southern thing. Like, that was it how I grew up, but a lot of people did. So if he feels like that makes sense for him, he continues to play well. And I know she has

a child. And to Can's point, we brought up the conversation with Cam Newton, him saying women lose value based on the amount of children that they have. He is also probably thinking, look, I'm lit right now. I have a good amount of money. I'm going to take care of whatever you take care of because I care about you. So if you want to get married, so be it. Yeah, I think this is a natural thing that happens a lot in college, but it normally happens with different nationalities.

It doesn't happen a lot with black, young black guys. It normally, it does. And I'm saying he's from Mobile, Alabama. I know so many people from the South who are married. How many of your, um, Black girlfriends are married under 25. I know more black men than black women. That's what I was getting.

Like a lot of the black men are married to white women. A lot of my black girlfriends aren't married, but also their parents aren't going for that. Like their parents are probably going to tell them no. Black men usually have a lot more freedom than black women. So if they say, look, Ma, I want to get married. Okay, I'm here to support you. If I told my dad I want to get married, he's going to look at me crazy.

That's what I think, though. that's based off of my experience. Yeah, I think, I think shout out to him because it does speak to the level of focusness that he have, even if she helped him focus, right? Long as he's focused, it should work out, you know? I just think when it comes to marriage and you having babies outside of that marriage, the dynamic is always different based on who the child's father is, right? As long as the child's father is good, then it should work out.

But if the child's father is a YN, then that could complicate things. But, you know, I'm not here to get any business. I'm here to stay with the sports. Well, we are getting in their business because we're talking about their relationship. No, I'm talking about the dynamic. The dynamics will be anybody that's 19 with a 26-year-old that have a child or 25-year-old with someone else. I think that's the dynamic because think about him as. if he goes to the NFL and does very well.

Now, he's playing in the NFL, and the child's father got to know where the child is. He got to know where the house is. He got to have access to your house. And I don't know many guys as they get elite want another guy to have that much access to their house and their lifestyle. Yeah, what I would say is this.

I want to know when they met. But if this was, if this not wear, when? Because if the shoe was on the other foot, they were like, why was the 24 year old with a 17 year old? Where's he doing what? How was he when he met him? Was he 15? She was 21?

If the shoe was on the other foot, it would be crazy. You know what I'm saying? I'm not knocking it or whatever I'm talking about as far as that. But I'm just saying the shoe is on the other foot. It would be an investigation on how long that they've been dating, so on and so forth. Sorry, that's also why I think it's situational because also, like, I have so many, like, direct examples.

Also at my school, there was a cheerleader who was 20 and her boyfriend was a football player and he was the kicker and he was 30. But that's both legal. Well, 19. I'm saying 19 is legal. That's what I said, when did they meet? Oh, like you're saying before then.

Yeah, they didn't, he obviously didn't meet him when he was 19. Yeah, no, I know what you're saying. Did he meet him when he was 16? Yeah. Or 17, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, so 19 is legal, but that's when they're announcing it. What if he was 15 when he met her and she was 21? And the shoe was on the other foot.

That's what I was trying to imply to. This is shout to Jaden Daniels' mother. You know, let's shut out real quick, man. Because at the end of the day, this is the shit that Jayden Daniels' mother is trying to keep him away from early. And I'm not saying that they have a bad relationship. I don't know nothing about it. I'm just reading the topic because I'm moderating the day.

I haven't had a chance to dive into it. But it just, you know, when you're 19, right, and you got a girlfriend, a lot of times you're not going to be with that girl. A lot of, you know, you have love stories that go on and you could be, not wishing out nobody. I'm just saying you haven't really experienced the world, especially when you're athlete or entertainer, right? I remember, and I had probably one of the best girlfriends in the world,

ended up being my child's mother at 19 years old. I was an asshole. I fucked that up. I was dumb. She's a great woman. College degree, smart, pretty, everything else. I just didn't see the world and know that that's probably what I need at longevity, but I messed it up. But more of the stories, you're going to see a lot of things that you didn't see when you're a 19-year-old superstar.

Makes what happen to your childhood, sweetheart. Oh, man, I'll grow up. Yeah. We grew apart. I think even, like, when we're talking about. about this, it seemed like he, he, um, he was an All-American at 17 and they got engaged at 17. Right. What do you think about that?

Right on time. All right on time for All-American. Let me lock this thing. Let me get this book. Give me my stocks now in the company. He was 17 when they got engaged. Okay. Well, that's what I'm saying.

But you all, you're, you out. How did you outgrow your child's sweetheart? What does that mean? I think when I, when we were going to college, when I was about to go to college, I knew she was going to Syracuse. I knew I was going to somewhere else. So ain't no need to acting like we're going to be together. We're probably not going to be together.

Gotcha. I was in dog mode. Yeah, no, I was like, no, that's, I'm not trying to be funny because sometimes that's a great point. I wanted you to be more specific, but you can look at, leave it there. Like, when you say I'll grow. Yeah. Sometimes it's like, when we're in the business that we're in, if you're not understanding, it's not going to work. Yeah. You just got to know what comes with.

You're almost, when Mesa's level of super start a, or was about to be at that time, you're almost equivalent to a truck driver. You're not going to be home. He's on the road. He's busy. He's going to be on the road. Two hundred and ninety days out of three hundred 65 days and you got to realize he's probably, listen, I'm not exaggerating, you know, what did you want, called? Chris Brown, Drake, he was one of them niggas at the time. So every female is trying to get with him. You got to have tough skin for that.

You have to have real tough skin. And I didn't know if his girl didn't have tough skin or whatever. Yeah, and shout out the hug, because she was like a really good person. Her family was really good to me. They helped me do a lot of things. Like even to this day, I think. we're really cool. You know, family is really cool.

I mean, every aspect of my life, I feel like she helped me and contribute it to my life and to my success. So shout out to her. Right. That's what's up. Look, we'll be right back. We're going to talk about shortage of condoms at the Olympics.

Matter of fact, they'll be right back. I'm leaving. I'm not going to work longer than they work, so they can pick the show up. Trish, it was good seeing you. I'll see you next week. I wish I would work longer than they work so they can take the show.

Everybody, I'll see y'all tomorrow. I'll have fun. She called this thing about toxic. Isn't counting. Got you feeling like a option. Maybe I'm my own problem, babe. She's tired of hearing. I don't know.

Welcome to me won't achieve it. I wish somebody told me the rules. Disagreements let her win. And it's cool. And it's cool. Even when. Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog picks of the day.

So tonight, the Hornets will play the Pacers. Underdog has Lamello at 19 and a half points. Do you have them hire Lord Mace? I'm going higher. But before we go higher, I don't know if Cam paid the people in the valet to hold me up to keep me there for 10 minutes. You know, because I was here on time, but I'm not sure if Nick and them paid the UFC guys, you know, everybody up at syndicate, MMA gym, you know, people standing in front of the car talking about they want to talk and can I take a picture? I don't like this.

I just paid the five to be a good sport, but it's a conspiracy. It's still out. We're going to put it under investigation. Can I say one thing real quick? I just want to let people know that no good deed goes unpunished. And Stack came on our show, Alienated. So what I like to do, stat, is I like to pay for your $500. Because you didn't charge me a thing and you came on my show.

Give it to me. Give it to me. Let's give it to Stats. Let's give it to Cam. When Cam go. Because you looked out for me on Alienated, you came on. I mean, I'm always going to charge me. So I just wanted to say.

Let me count it. Make sure it's real money. I don't. don't have to count it. I believe in. You can just give it to me. Just give it to me. Okay. We'll give it to me. I'm not going to do it. No good deed goes and punished. And you looked out for me and alienated me and sin. So I want to thank you for doing that. And there you go. It doesn't condone your behavior of being late. No, yeah. That was really nice. Yes. Thank you. You always look out for me like show family wise, all that. So I appreciate you. If you ask me anything,

and I'm saying those on the air too, you have all my respects. So I guess you. No, I guess you. We, we want to. So I appreciate it. Yeah. Trista, Lamello's at 19.5 points. Do you have them higher or lower? I'm going to go higher. I think these Charlotte Hornets have figured some things out.

Lamello has definitely been reckless on the streets, but he's also been putting some production up on the court. I like this Hornet's team. Against the Pacer's team, it's bottom of the basement. I'm going to go over. Okay. Brandon Miller's at 22.5 points. Do you have them higher, lower, Trista?

Ooh, I'm going to go higher on Brandon Miller as well. I'm going to go higher as well. Okay, and Andrew Nemhard is at 28 and a half points, rebounds, and assist. Do you have a higher lower, Mace? 28 points. 20 and a half points rebounds and assists. I'm going to go lower. I'm going to go lower as well.

You're talking about a Charlotte Hornets team that's actually playing some defense, shockingly. Cool. Okay. make sure you all download the Underdog app and you can make your picks too. So on to the 26 Winter Olympics that happened in Milan. So approximately 10,000 free condoms were exhausted within just three days, despite only about 2,900 athletes attending. So Trista, do you think that there should be limits on what's going on in the Olympic Village?

Or do you see it as more of a good thing? Like, this is fine. This should be embraced. What are your thoughts? Well, I know what everybody thinks is going on. which is just a ton of fucking in the Olympic Village. But this is the winter Olympics. I might want to roll with that in the summer

in a place like, I don't know, L.A. or Paris. But we've got Canada Goose's on, Canada geese on. It's not one of those scenarios where that's really the environment you want to be laid up. But on top of that, what I've heard from people who have been in the Olympic Village is that it's the only thing that they're given that they can take for free

and give to their friends that's like a souvenir. So to me, it's kind of just the U.S. Olympic Committee being broke bitches and not giving the Olympic athletes anything that they can give to their family and friends besides some rubber with the Olympic rings on it. So I don't think it's anything more than that.

Although I, for many years, thought that that was the reason they were always running out. Yeah, I don't really know much about this, but I would say when it comes to things such as this, I would like to put the Olympics in a better light than just a story about condoms in the Olympics. I think it kind of minimized the greatness that's supposed to be taking place here, not just a sex event, because it's not a sex event, right? So really to talk about they ran out of condoms is crazy. But, you know, this is a part of where people's minds are today.

But I'm going to chime out of that one. I'll be ready for the next subject. It's not a sex event? The Olympics. That's what it seemed like. I think one time KD said this or KG said this, not KD. KG said this. And ever since then, people have just.

put the Olympics in a sexual light. And I can only imagine that because when you're thinking about all of the people that are meeting from all across the world and all of them being fond of each other, it's like if you had basketball camp and you had the women staying with the guys, I could see something of that sort happening. But when you think of the Olympics, it's just, I wouldn't want to be in that kind of conversation. Okay, so if you don't want to talk about it in that light, which is completely fair, what was your favorite story from the Olympics?

My favorite story are which Olympics are we talking about? Winter Olympics, that just happened in Milan. You have to come back to me on that. Don't you think it's kind of bad that they put that out there? Because what about people's families? Yes. I think that's horrible. They put that out there because what if my wife is over there and she's competing for the

And she's not a part of that group. Yeah. And so now you got me at home worried about if my wife is getting tapped, you're saying? Or vice versa, even though they're not doing it. I think that's a horrible thing to put out there for Olympic people. And I really believe that this is just where media is going, right? So just like when it came to that clip with the guy with Tourettex, right? As I went back and looked, when you have Tourette's, you can't control what you're saying.

Right. But when somebody put this out as the clip of what he's saying, right, it make you think, well, people know what they're putting out there. And it's sad that the natural brain is not being used to as high as extent. To the point that people are feeling like these are the ways they're going to become popular. This is what people have succumbed to to be able to be popping, to be able to go viral. And it's just let you know what time we're in, you know. I actually feel different.

I don't think that there's any harm. I could see if it was something super detrimental, but the people who represented USA still work their asses off, and they looked great. I don't think it takes away. I don't think people are worrying about their significant others who were involved, because also if your partner is there supporting you, they were probably some of the people using the condoms.

And I don't think it's a bad thing. I think they have random fun stats for anything that kind of happens that are completely unrelated, but I don't think it takes away from the sport at all. I just think people just put it out there. So shout out to people who won gold or even just got to participate in the Olympics in general because that's a dope thing to be able to do

and you deserved it. And shout to the people who represented USA. That's what I'll say. But that is all the time that we have for today. Trista, it's a pleasure to have you on the show. Thanks for having me on. It's always a pleasure. Cool.

Thank you all for watching. And as always, it is what it is.