IT IS WHAT IT IS - AYOOO JOSH HART WHAT IS YOU DOIN' B, TUA'S FUTURE & PUKA CALLS OUT THE REFS!

Episode Date: December 18, 2025

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mace and cam and today we are joined with our analyst michael irvin hey mike what's good man hey man it's all good man i'm quarter zipped and ready to zip if you know what i mean you see what i'm serious now you go step, boy. Mike know the trends and everything. Quarter zip. O-I-N. Mike, do you know that's a trend or are you just saying that?

No, no, no. I know it's trending. I know it's popular right now. You stay in the loop. You stay in that loop. Mike's stay in the loop, man. Yeah, I'm trying to stay. I'm trying to stay right there with the young folks.

That's what the advertisers pay for. You know that. They pay for the young folks. They don't, you know, so you got to stay right. What's that slogan? Oh, quick, quarter zipping what? I'm quarter-zipped and ready to rip is what I did. What I'm saying right now?

You know what I'm saying. Major? Oh, my. Who's quarter-zipping, ready to rip? You know, Mike, you got a chill. You got to fuck it, Mike. You got a love to. You know, it's too early for that, right?

I like it. Listen, though, it's so funny, man, because, you know, was doing on i do my live stream on my on my podcast on my youtube channel and in the day dog let me tell you something because on wednesdays i used wednesday nights i let the people ask me all kind of questions any questions and you know do they always bring up stuff from this show so they asked me one day they said michael uh uh can you please show us what you were talking about that kept you at the bottom of the Hall of Fame when Terrell was, oh, it is what it is, talking about it.

So I just happened to have that right here. I said, oh, you mean these things right here? You see what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, Mike, yeah, Mike. I said, right, these things. I said, I need y'all to see where they look like so y'all know. Some jokes ain't got nail. Some ain't got now.

This is why I don't wear one, because I got too many to even pick out which one. It's like a child. Which one is your favorite children? You can't say that. I just leave them all where I belong. Yo, I love that. I love that. You know, Mike, you know why I love that?

I love that shit right there. Because I missed the show this week, and I saw the show. I missed it, make sure to act like Title Town comes within. That's Title Town. You, if you, I hate none of that's my thing. Nah, that's, I don't want to hear that. That's what you gotta have. The rings and things you sing about, bring them out.

Bring them out. Bring them out. You know what I'm saying? Things and rings you sing about, bring them out, man. I like that right there, man. Title Town on the plate. Yeah, man. display. We love to see it, Mike. Okay. So before we get into the football, there's just a viral

clip that I got to ask y'all about because I'm sure y'all are just as confused as me. So after the next one, their NBA Cup, there's a video of actually of Josh Hart sticking up his finger up Jalen Brunson's ass. And then he went on Twitter talking about this is AI. Any. Y'all seen that and why? Question Mark. Confused. understanding nothing Mike yeah yeah it is it's pretty amazing first of all you know you know George Orwell wrote a book a long time ago 19 called Big Brother you know Big Brother's watching everybody's watching everything everything you do is on camera I don't know what would provoke a man

to put his finger or take his thumb and thumb somebody right up their ass on national TV. When you're receiving a cup, a trophy, that blows my mind, man, you know, and then try to deny it happens when everybody saw it. So, yeah, especially with all the ditty stuff out right now. That's amazing right now.

That you wouldn't even run that route, you know? I'm a big Josh Hart. I'm a big fan of his because I told you, my boy, Fresh West, you know, he's over the president with president over there, Nick. So I go and go catch those games every year. And I'm going to see him again, but I'm going to make sure I don't turn my back to him. Yeah, Mike, you got to watch his back. with people like that. You got to talk to them

niggas with the back against the wall. You're 100% correct. Right, man. That's crazy, man. I don't know, man. It's just crazy. Yeah, right after their way. That's, honestly,

Josh Hart, that's when playing goes too far. You know, like somebody playing and it goes too far. It really could have been a fight on national TV for that, right? If he just turns around and just clock them, you know, just for that.

Just, I don't know what, what Jalen Brunson was thinking just to look and do nothing. That's like, good thing he wasn't in jail or nothing. But nigger could do that. I don't know what else. A nigger could do to you. You're not going to respond for that. I just lost all respect for Jalen Brunton.

I'm not going to lie. I'm like, word. Come on, that was, wow. And then he's laughing, everybody else knows it. It's like, it was like a, pause, an inside joke. Hey, inside joke. Literally. Literally.

What I take, sorry, what I take away from this? This is what I'm talking about when it comes to the next. You win a championship and this is what we're focused on. It never goes right. This is exactly, this is the talk of everything more than the actual championship that this nigga stuck his thumb in his ass that that's what everybody's focused on.

Nick fans are so mad because they're like, y'all, y'all focusing on the wrong thing. No, we didn't want to see it either. You act like this is what we want to see. You want to, no, it's not an NBA championship, but it's great that Knicks haven't won anything in over 50 years. I guess, you know, being the New Yorker will take it,

this is what I'm talking about. When you're with the Knicks is not even a chance to celebrate. Immediately, an asterisk says next to the championship because a thumb is in somebody's ass. Secondly, what May said,

I don't take, I think you got to think about this, right? They went to college together and on type of shit. I think this is how they play. Pause. Because like May said, for you not to swing or you not to be that, that, that man,

this is how them niggas play. And if you look at the video, because I watched it a couple of times because I'll be on belief. Josh Hart do the shit and just keep looking out and rubbing the trophy like he ain't do nothing. He just up there smiling rubbing the trophy, like nothing actually happened.

And Jalen Brunson had to, you're gonna do this now, you know, come on, we're on TV, don't do it now. Like, that's how... That's our... That's our ticket. Them niggas are shying dorms and everything. It might be worse than what we've seen.

But I think that, yeah, it was a black guy on the gang doing that at the cup holding. You couldn't wait until you're going to lie. He couldn't control itself. That's how I take that. Yeah, who knows? Maybe that's the way they celebrate. They all wildcats. I knew people were going to do that.

I knew they were going to do that because they're going to turn on Bronson with it. Like, I don't want you swinging on Josh Sharp, but at least turn around and push him. man. Yeah. What's up, man? Don't do that. Right. You know what I mean.

So I don't want to swing. I know you got to play with them and all of that. But at least push them and say, hey, don't do that. But if you just turn and look, the assumption nobody can say anything about, like, hey, man, are you comfortable with that? I mean, you, you know what I'm saying. Like, yeah, that was, yeah. And I'm a big brunt. Brunce is a bad boy.

Yeah. That's a bad dude, man. One of bad a dude to the league. I just, yeah. Listen, Mike. That's just not the phrase to say. Brunson's a bad boy with a thumb in his ass. You got to watch the words right now.

Yeah, Mike, you got to watch your words. Yeah, I tell you how you putting your words together, Mike. You're all crazy, man. It doesn't, is his father still a coach or his dad is not the coach anymore? He's still in the best. Yeah, if I'm his dad, then I see that, I'm really, I might run over there and handle it

for my son on that. Nah, I mean, at the end of the day, it's not really, to me, it's not handling, because they're growing, it's like, I'm pulling to the side, like, what kind of games, y'all be playing? Now, seriously, as a father, do you think that's cool? Seriously. Yeah.

If you literally, literally put your, like, all jokes, as a father, and you sit in there, and you see that, you'd be like, You know, on some real shit. Like, what kind of games y'all niggas be playing, man? I would have that conversation with my son. Yeah, just like, for real, for real, like, um, has this ever happened before?

Don't, don't they have kids? Does he have any kids? How many kids either there? Because you know, you know if you have a son, you come at home, he's looking at you like, Daddy, what, that was a finger? in your ass? Yeah.

Well, you know what to me? He's like, what's going? That, that's what I would be thinking about. Like, come on, man. And right, Mike, not just the kids, this opens up, this opens up shit for future, like, for the playoffs. Like, let's just say, for instance, you go to Milwaukee, and instead of them in the crowd having a big finger,

they got the big thing. They got the time. Brown on. Yeah, you ain't never lie. With Brown on the tip. This opens the door for. All right. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. All are crazy. Y'all are crazy. Just to clarify, Jaylen Brunson, he has a daughter born in 2024, and then we know that Josh Hart has his twin son, so they're way too young to. But I mean, the internet lives forever, so they'll see if it. Lightskin with a ponytail, that's not a good, that's not a good outing. But hey, shout out to the Knicks.

Okay. So time to get. get into some football. So the Dolphins decided to Benj Tua and will start Quinn yours ahead of their matchup versus the Bengals. They will keep Zach Wilson at QB2. So Mike, do you think that this decision makes sense for the dolphins at this point in the season? Well, it's hard to say it makes sense, but it's what they think is best because you still owe him a lot of money. I mean, you know, if you cut him right now, let him go, you're $100 million still on the cap, you know, he guaranteed another, what, 30 million

next year. You see, this is a, this was, this was difficult. This was difficult because you saw some good years that Tua had, especially when Mike McDaniels first got there and they pieced that offense together. They brought Mike McDaniels. They're in to piece together in an offense that will fit to it. And he did. He did. But the NFL, learns things very quickly. And you have to learn back. Once they learn what you do, then you have to go learn the next move, the next step, the next thing. And tools always been great when his first option has been open. But when they close that first option, and they make you have to look around and scan that field, and they put pressure around him, then things happen. And that's

what has happened with them. And it's not only that. I mean, the money is one thing. They're also looking at we in 2020 we drafted you first and we could have gotten Justin Herbert Justin Herbert has this team right now over there at 10 and 4

and we're going south you know what I'm saying so yeah that was it the right thing to do I got to see what Quinn yours do before I say that was the right thing to do because you're hoping you're hoping he comes in

and be a little better with the office. What I think they're trying to see. What I think they're trying to see is, Mike McDaniel, are we keeping you? You see, when you look at what Cal Shanahan does, they run the same office, what a Cal Shanahan does with backup quarterbacks, you know, what they do in Minnesota,

they bring in quarterbacks and, you know, O'Connor, Sam Donald's I hadn't got J.J. McCarthy going yet. But these coaches are supposed to be quarterback gurus. And now when they bench tour, that puts Mike McDaniels

right in the middle of the hot seat. Show me what you can do with the next quarterback. We got a clean house. So yeah, yeah, I got to see how this thing plays out. Once you lost Tyreek Hill, too, you lost your Bain Point Man.

And Tua needs that point, man. And without them, yeah, yeah, this thing, it does not look good at all. Yes, when it comes to the Miami Dolphins and this decision to bench Tua, I think as much as we want to say, they're looking into the next quarterback just to see what he does or see if they're going to keep Mike McDaniel, I think all of that is well and true. But when you look at the stats that, that Tua has had, year he's almost equivalent in interceptions as he is in touchdowns and when you're throwing as many picks as you're getting touchdown is just no way to

keep you in the rotation pauses is and and not to mention that if he he's a sack away from being retired anyway so this this is a place that they got they have to go at this point when you're a city attractive as Miami is no way you could leave like substandard talent there and with someone that's not performing the city is too lit it's a place that everybody will love to live everybody will love to play and you just can't keep that spot occupied by somebody that's underperforming pause yeah well Miami ain't been winning for a long time so whatever as far as that's concerned but I do agree with you mason on the point that to me this goes to one thing I'm not and I think

mike is right and makes you're 100% right both you guys are right but me personally You're right, they got rid of the GM Chris Greer and it's on the coach there. But I do agree with Mace. They're eliminated from the playoffs right now. You leave Tua in and he gets a concussion, niggins going to be like, what the fuck are you doing? You might as well play the other quarterbacks

to see what talent they got. We're not making the playoffs anyway. We're only a few weeks before the end of the season. And Tua gets hit the wrong way. Everybody, like, what the hell is going on? Why would you do this? Yeah, yeah. Same thing we just seen with Jaden Daniels.

You know, this niggas injured. I'm looking like a chicken wing coming off the field, and you put him back out there two weeks right after that for him to re-injured the same arm. And I know that they was trying to maybe make a playoff run, but it was unnecessary. The kids, 22, 23 years old, he's your franchise quarterback, set him out.

I don't know what's going to happen with Tool moving forward in the future, but I would have definitely took him out to considering his concussion history and the fact that they're not going to make the playoffs. And let's give these other quarterbacks a chance to see what they got. So I would have made the same decision. Yeah. So I'm curious on you guys as predictions for Tua in the future because Mike brought up a great point. I do have the stats here for basically like the finance part of it. So he already has 54 million guaranteed to him in 2026. On March 15, three million of his 2027 salary becomes guaranteed and then cutting him would leave 99 million in dead

money that's what mike was saying earlier so about just under a hundred million dollars in dead money so do you think the dolphins should consider cutting him in the future or do you feel like at this point too much has been invested we just kind of got to see what we can do with them mike well you know it's an interesting question from this standpoint you know it's what are you trying to say march 15 you're old on three million that's when you're 20 on this 27 year not next year that's 27 so are you can you i don't know if you can cut him right after the season and designate him a june first release or i don't know the rules in that way like can you say we're going to release you you're going to release you so we don't have to pay you that

three million on march 15th and but we'll cut you on march on june first so less money will less dead money will hit the cap or do you have to actually cut him pay him to three million and then release him June 1st you lose three more million dollars but you take a lesser hit on the cap and and I'm going to tell you this and I don't know the rules and how that works out totally but what they're looking at is what Denver's done and Denver cut and let Russell Wilson go and look how quick they turned back around now there's a difference here you know Sean Payton was coming in Denver and he was reworking the whole system the whole order you know that when he got rid of Russell Wilson because Russell Wilson and Sierra went

over there and had their own office and did all that special stuff and he said no we're going to we're going to get rid of that and he put a heavy hand upon Denver and gave them a whole new restructuring. Mike McDaniels is not that guy. You know, so you hope that if I say, I'm going to take this big hit, we can turn around and turn this thing around quickly. I think that's why I talked about they're going to see

what Mike McDaniels can do with the Quinn Ure and other quarterbacks because all we've ever done is so we only saw you with tour as your man. let me see how you work with other guys and if we can really make this work by getting rid of him and bringing somebody else in and try to get back where we need to be quickly yes when they come to when they come to it in his future i think they're doing right by um letting somebody else play i would pay him out um definitely and get them off of the team i look i do my research so and when it comes down to research, there's not even a good space for him on a fantasy football team right now. Right now, they're telling you don't take tour, you know. So when they start

playing with your name and fantasy football, and I hope he turns this around, but that's all downhill from there. If nobody don't want you on the fantasy football team, that's crazy. My man's niggas kind of a good weekend fantasy football. It's a fantasy race. That's what I'm saying. It's called a fantasy. So for them to not want you, it's even crazier. The wag niggas got great weeks on the fans. I'm not going to agree with you on that one.

But I'd be honest, but you might, you know better than me. Look, I can't sit here and tell how. That's a big, I give a lot of credit to whoever handles the financial department and all these sports because you have to figure out with how much space you have, who you want to pay, who you don't want to pay it, or go over salary cap. I'm not even sure. I'm not even going to say lie. You don't even know if football has a luxury tax like basketball. But I don't know. I have no idea because we've seen signs with two, it could be good.

And in Mike's first take, when you lose your number one, that matters. But listen, number one wasn't happy neither. He was pissed off. I don't know. It seems like Miami last year, they were in a good place. They scored like 70 points one game last year, some shit. They's back-to-back scoring. Against Denver. Against Denver. Right. They looked like they were about to go places,

and then that shit just all collapsed. How we seen last year, I Tariq, saying he wasn't happy. He didn't necessarily want to be there, and he put a picture of Antonio Brown on his avatar. Look, it was in a good spot, and it just seems like it went downhill really fast. So I would go off what you guys said,

because I don't have any idea at which they should do or what they shouldn't do, because what you don't want to happen is two or those. somewhere else and he start cooking. You know, you're always scared of that as well. Like, yo, he isn't a bum bum. What he is is we're scared of him concussions and he didn't have a number one.

You get rid of him and he goes somewhere else and start cooking, you'd be on me like, damn, we had that, I think, you know, I know when I'm about to say is not a player, but I've really, really, really, really believe deep down the side, that's why the Pittsburgh Steelers have not got rid of Mike Tomlin. You don't want to get rid of this, nigger. And he goes somewhere next year.

and won a Super Bowl. And he'd be like, nah, we had this, nigger, man. I really do believe that. I really do believe that's the only reason that Pittsburgh has not, because Mike Tomlin would be unemployed

for, like I said before, six minutes, if he ever parted ways with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Yeah, every... One of the things I thought about, one of the things I thought about here, though, guys, is Tours record in cold weather.

Not very good. You know, he's like, yeah, just not very good. at all. I don't know the exact record, but it's not very good. And when you think about the AFC East, you got to go to New England. You got to play a Buffalo. You know, those are tough places to win football games. If your quarterback's arm is not that strong and the ball gets heavier and you can't throw. So I was just thinking about like, like Stead asked about what kind of future. He's a first round pick. Usually first round picks get other opportunities. But what opportunity

out there works for tour you know Miami was a great place at least you had eight nine games a year in pretty good weather you know what what what cold weather team has a dome so you you know you can try to you got to try to work through all of those metrics when you're looking at a tour if you're another team like okay you know what can he perform in this kind of situation and as you start getting around the NFL, and like we're doing now in November, December, it's bad weather everywhere. It's bad weather everywhere. And that thing really affects us.

So it'll be interesting to see what happens to tour this year. And especially, we don't know how many guys going to be out there. They could have a number of guys. You're going to have Tua running around with the opportunities. are you, Kyla Murray out there, because it looks like there's going to be a lot of changes made at the quarterback position this year. And you may see a lot of those once big-time guys

that got paid big-time money actually on the market. Really quick before you go, Mace, just because I wanted to give the stats for that too. So below 40 degrees, two is 0 and 5, below 45 degrees, he's 1 in 6, and below 50 degrees, he's 2 and 8. So that is to show you guys. Yeah, you took my stats, stat.

And I also, I was going to add that his average of depth on a target, Paul's, is went down to two yards every year. Around 2022, he was at 9.6, 2023, he's at 7.6. 24, he's at about 5.7.7. And every year, it seemed like he's declining in the average on targets because he's scared he's going to get hit. So I'm really thinking about that. And that's what I meant by when you think of fantasy football. He can't even add anything there. And then I think this brings an even bigger discussion in question before we move on because we're seeing these quarterback contracts are only going to get bigger and bigger over the years. But then we're also seeing how there's also a risk there.

So Mike, do you think these massive quarterback contracts actually hurt teams more than they help their long-term stability? Or do you just feel like, you know what, it's worth it because it's the quarterback? What's your thoughts on that? If you make those decisions and give those players a contract because, okay, we think, well, he had a good year. He had a good year. And now we're kind of in a situation. And I think this would have in Miami. we're in a situation. Do we pay him, even if we don't believe all the way in him, or do we let him go?

And it becomes like what Cam said. If we do that, then he goes somewhere else. And now we look like, we look bad. We look bad. So they're not going to stop passing out big contracts because there's such a demand for the great ones. And if you have a great year, they're going to give you the money because they can't risk it. They can't risk it. But they have to make darn sure that this was not a one year or two year wonder. That it has to make, you got to make sure that what we see is something that we're going to see for a while and continue growth. Because tour jumped out and had great seasons, had some pretty good seasons, but were those seasons, his ceiling, and he's still right now early in his career. Can he get any better or is that his ceiling? And, you know, you pay for a lot of time. You pay for potential. You have one good season.

Then you got to pay for the potential of him having these kinds of seasons over the next 10 years. But everybody doesn't have that. That's what you have to be careful with. They're never going to stop paying the quarterback big money. You just better make sure that when you're paying him, he still has growth in him and he's not at his ceiling. Yeah, I stand on what I said.

Looking at next year, you're talking about $54 million guaranteed of that money and not sure who's coming back with them. That's a lot to pay when you don't have a great offensive line and you definitely don't have many wire receivers. I could think of a lot of ways you can spend that money better if you're trying to refurbish this team. I don't think either one that answers the question because you repeated just so I can make sure that.

So do you think massive quarterback contracts hurt teams more than they help long-term stability? You didn't ask anything about tour. Yeah, just in general. Exactly, yeah. Both of them went on a tour, it's a tyrant, and that really wasn't the question. No, I did not, Kim, I said, Mike, Mike, Mike. You both said my name, I didn't say anything. I said, I said, if it's the ceiling, I answered the question, you got to only do it.

You can't pay, like, in the third year, you can't. can't pay a man all of that money if he's already at his ceiling in his third year and that's that's the year they determine if they're going to extend guys or not but that's not the question Mike can we get back to the question that's about the contract Mike did answer it he just used to it as an example like that so then my my answer was right then if that's what you also used to us as the main example Now we are line-stepping. Yeah, so when it comes to the quarterback, there's my goal, it's this line-stub season.

I mean, if we're cleaning it up, go ahead, pause. No, you go. Go ahead, no, you go. They're mad at me because he's lying-stuff in me. It's crazy. That's why I didn't get it. You go, it was actually my, everybody. You're mad.

But, look, the thing about is this is that, is that, regardless of the example, you guys use whether it's two or not. Mike is right, you pay for potential, and then if the potential like there, you look crazy. We sit there and say, it was like, maybe two years ago and we're like, or at least I was like, I'm not gonna say we.

I'm like, damn, they ready to give Trevor Lawrence all this motherfucking money, man, this is kind of crazy. I don't know, if I give Trevor no 270 now, I don't know. And now he got them lead in the division and looking like they're going to make a push for the playoffs and we'll see what happens. You know, we have a lot of young quarterbacks or not young, necessarily new quarterbacks,

I think, that will be in the playoffs this year or second year or maybe third year. But it's not going to be a lot of experience outside. You know, you're Matthew Stafford, you have Aaron Rogers, you have Josh Allen, who else we got here, just looking from the list. I didn't even look. I don't even count Brock Purdy or Sam Donald like that.

But you're paying for a potential, Mike is right. And, like, y'all use two. I'll use Chuck or Lawrence. I was like, I don't think you should get this nigga, this kid, just chicken. But he's looking like he might deserve the chicken. These quarterback prices, you have one organization to blame. And they're the organization that looks the worst.

the Cleveland Brams when they gave to Sean Watson that $230 million contract I know every other owner in the fucking NFL was like what the fuck are you doing because you're setting a precedent now to where quarterbacks are saying

yo how the fuck he get this money he ain't do half the shit that I did I need $250 I need $260 I need at least $2 you know that's when we had the thing about with Lamar Jackson when Lamar Jackson wasn't resigning with Baltimore more was because of what Deshawn Watson got.

Then Deshawn Watson was hurt when he got the contract. So to me, these big NFL quarterback contracts, the Cleveland Brown set this off. They set the standard for what a quarterback should be making in this day and age. So that's just the standard because of them. But you do pay for potential. I agree with Mike on that. So can you answer the question?

Is it hurting them or not? I don't know. I don't have the answer for that. I do use Trevor Lawrence. So the answer to the question is I have no answer because I'm not sure you use somebody as Trevor Lawrence and you'll say you shouldn't have gave him the money

but now look at them now. We don't leave room for growth, pause, and sports. We want it now, pause. We want answers today or tomorrow and we not want to answer in two, three years when somebody might be 19 years old, you want him to produce when he's 20 years old. Think about me, another example I use for me.

Caleb Williams. I'm talking about his nails. I'm talking about his dog. I'm talking about he's not doing this. I'm talking about what he did at USC. And now week after week, he's looking decent. And he's going to be in the playoffs. And we gave him a hard time, but we didn't give him a chance.

New coach, new office, he has to learn, et cetera, et cetera. So the answer to the question, I'm not sure, Mason. I have to see where it leads to, because I'll say this, outside of Patrick Mahomes, I don't know who won the Super Bowl. with the big contract. That's a real good point. I'm thinking it hurts. It hurts not only them, but it hurts the league

because there's a lot of other players that could get paid and people play better when they get paid as well, you know. But when you got the quarterback getting all of the money, you got to buy Rolexes for the front line. I know that much. And when it comes down to it, in Tua's case, since we're using two, as a model for this, if he doesn't play next year, let's say he retires, he's walking away

with $160, around $167 million, and to not play, that's going to hurt the team for like at least three to four more years. So I would say it definitely hurts. And he'll get some money from the insurance plan. Mike, can you speak to that, the insurance plan that you get when you retire? It could save him like a quarter million dollars or half a million. You mean the insurance and if he gets hurt? Insurance. Right. If he gets hurt.

Yeah, they get. If he gets hurt, no, I'm just acting. If you get hurt, if he gets hurt, right. If he gets hurt, that's probably why they're taking him off the field. Yeah. You know, you'll get more liable. If they want to let him go and he's on the field now and he gets hurt, then you can't let him go.

You cannot release him while he's hurt. So they're just saying, let's say, let's. Take them off the field right now and let's see what else we got. And they went to Quinn Eurs. They didn't go to Zach, Zach, they got Zach Taylor, you know, the guy that was in New York. They have him as a backup. But they just moved him, kept him in this backup spot and jumped them and said, let's find out what the young guy has, Quinn Ewer's.

And I'm looking for. What surprised me was also Mike McDaniels, who has been a, cool supporter standing up there and saying right now, Quinn yours, give us the best chance to win. The best chance to win. He didn't say we want to find out what this kid have. He said he gives us the best chance to win. I took that as the hammer coming down on the nail into us coughing.

If that kid gives you the best chance to win, and that's what your head coach just said. Yeah, and lastly, I'll say my last point anyway, is that football is America's number one sport, period. But they get paid the lease. When you sit here and you think about, yo, niggas getting $2.30, they're like, oh, that's crazy, that's crazy. Basketball players out here getting $3.25, $3.50.

Ain't no motherfucking salary cap in baseball whatsoever. Niggas out here get half a billion-dollar contracts. So, you know, if you're just comparing athletes, When you sit there and say, I don't know who you would call Lamar Jackson in the NBA right now. Let's just say he was Jason Tatum. Yeah. Jason Tatum getting 324, 325, 340.

Even though Jason Tatum won the championship, but I'm saying he's a, Lamar Jackson, a two-time league MVP. These things get beat up every week and don't make the most money money in the three major sports in America, and it's the number one grossing sport in America. Good old owners, man, niggas keeping that.

They tuck in that money, Mike. Your man is number one, too. Your man is number one, 10 billion. Right, but Cam, if you look at what matrix you measure in it by, if you measure total dollars, you are absolutely correct. But if you measure dollars per game, then football, because you only play 17 or those.

You play 80-some basketball games and 162 baseball games or whatever that number it is. So if you measure the metrics by per game, per game, then it's a different situation. No, I totally agree, but at the same time, you set it on this show. Y'all, because of how rugged the sport is, y'all get low management every week. Pause. Just because it's a rugged sport. You can't, you know, even you hear players complain when they got a Sunday night game

and then it's a Thursday night game. A short week for us. We had to recover fast. You know, it's a very rugged sport, but that is a good point. If you're doing it by metrics and per game, it makes a lot of sense. Great discussion, y'all.

Okay, we're going to go to break. When we return, we will discuss the Rams versus the Seahawks. She called her? She called this thing about it's toxic. Four years and counting. Got you feeling like an option. Maybe I'm my own problem, babe. She's tired of hearing, I don't know.

What's happening in me won't fall, oh, oh. Welcome with this thing called trust But she really thinking about it She want to be free Why my head is She won't be free Hell, I don't want to see her walk away I wish somebody told me the rules

Disagreements let her win And it's cool Even when I'm right to sing about Welcome back. Now let's get into our underdog picks the day. So tonight for Thursday night, football, the Rams will play the Seahawks. Underdog has Matthew Stafford at 231 and a half passing yards. Do you have him higher, lower mace? Higher. Higher. Okay, Pooka Nakua is at 91 and a half receiving yards. You have

them higher, lower cam. Higher. Definitely high. And Sam Darnold's at 226 and a half passing yards. You have them higher, lower mace. Hi, this was easy, underdog. I'm on low. Okay. Make sure y'all underdog app and you can make your picks too so we know the game is tonight they're both at an 11 and 3 record mike who do you think wins the rams or the seahawks and this is a very difficult game to break down and analyze when you look back at that week 11 matchup where where the rams won in la 21 19 you said oh 2119 that's That's 2119. Sam Donald threw four I&Ts in that game.

Yeah. How was the game still that close, and he threw four interceptions in that game? So now you take this game to Seattle, and it's supposed to be rain. I just heard you guys and what you thought so your picks are. Matthew Stafford had 130 yards in the comfort of his heart. home against this Seattle defense, this top sacking, intercepting defense. He only had 130 yards. They've been talking all week, the Rams have, saying, well, we're expecting Devonte Adams to

play. Stop line. Stop line, man. I just saw him pull up on the middle of a route where he had a touchdown. If he had anything left in the legs, he would have kept him going caught that touchdown. He had to stop and drop and roll off the field because his hamstring gave out on him. No way, three days later, he going to show up and make plays. Now, week 11, he only had one catch for one yard, but it was one touchdown.

You see what I'm saying? This game here, it was hard for me to say, oh, man, because whoever wins this game is not just number one, not just number one in that. division, you're number one in the whole conference, and you will have that first round buy right now. That's why this is going to be a hell of a game. I actually, I like the Rams, but I'm taking Seattle because it's in Seattle. It's supposed to be rainy there, and you don't have Devonte Adams, and I believe that

defense in Seattle will show up. And last time you picked off Sam Donald four times, and you only put 21 points on the board. You're 14 in the first quarter, and you didn't score the rest of the game until the fourth quarter. So I'm going to take Seattle squeaking this game out in Seattle. Yeah, I'm going to agree with you, Mike. I'm going with Seattle as well. As much as I like Stafford to get busy in this game, like you said, because it's a conference game, I really got to go with Seattle. Maybe that's why I'm wearing the neon.

I'm expecting them to win. But they're not going to be the team that come out of the NFC. But we'll be okay with them having the best record for now. I'm going with the Rams. And yeah, Mike, I was watching that game live. when that happened to Deonti, I was like, damn. I was hoping it wasn't an Achilles the way he just stopped running. I was like, yo, but when I heard hamstring,

I was like good. Because it's a possibility, maybe not this game, like you said, you know better than me. They come back before the season's over, hopefully. Even if he's being a decoy, you know. It's him in the red, I don't know exactly. I can't remember the exact stat, but he in the red zone, he's crazy for the Rams in the Red Zone boat.

The way my man Pooki, Puga, Nekua's looking, listen, he's so good, I memorized his name, that's that. We got there. Yeah, I was going to be official. When you start getting good, I start knowing your name. Puka Nekua is a problem, bro. And I know we talked about, yeah, I know we talked about Cooper leaving and that's a revenge game for him.

He's up there in Seattle. And they know, they say Seattle has the loudest stadium in the NFL, they call it the 12th man. But you're dealing with a veteran when you're talking about Matthew Stafford. What I predict is this. The Ghost of Christmas Pass is coming to the haunt Mr. Sam Donald. He had this opportunity last year. Same exact opportunity against the Detroit Lions.

And he stunk it up. Division on the lines. Same record. The division was on the line. Blew all that money, balls, yeah. Blew about, what, $70, $80 million behind that shit. Same record, division on the line, stunk it up. Start talking about when he's with the Jets,

all type of shit that he did. And I predict that's what's gonna happen to him again tomorrow. Now, am I wishing that on him? No, I'm just making a prediction. He has yet to show us in the big game that he's gonna make a difference. And this is opportunity, the correct differences

that he didn't make, because he looked tremendous. He's supposed to be in Minnesota right now with $120 million guaranteed or some crazy shit. But no, you're up there in Seattle, and you got a chance to make right for your wrongs last year. But I'm still going with the Rams in this game. And to your point, he leads the league in red zone targets and then also receiving touchdowns.

So, shout out there. Yeah, he's a problem in the red zone. All right. So we actually have a little story, not a story, but something on Pooka Nakua. So he was on stream with Aiden Ross in Neon, and he says, the rest are the worst and make calls to get on TV.

He said, these guys are lawyers. They want to be on TV, too. You don't think he's texting his friends in the group chat like, yo, you guys just saw me on Sunday night football. That wasn't past interference, but I called it. He said, these guys are normal human beings too. So, Mike, what do you think of Fukunaku's comments on stream? I thought it was interesting. I thought he was talking to a couple of guys, didn't think it was going to become all of this, but it is going to become all of this. Like, you know, Huku don't seem like. them Yans, you know, the young people that are just running this, it just seemed like a real sedu, quiet guy that plays football and plays hard all the time. So I don't think, like, I wouldn't do it

because, you know, I'm buddying up with these ruffs. I don't want you when the thing gets close, because some of the time, you can call this anyway. We are all on hand fighting and fighting for that ball. You can call offense or defense a passenger offense. And now you just call these guys out saying they're just trying to get on TV and show their friends. They'll make the wrong call. I feel you that's why I'm going with Seattle. I feel you going. They're going to really get a chance to get on TV come Thursday night when they read what you just saying. Because that call

that they make won't be for you this time. It will be against you. Because they're people too, they're human too, and they hear stuff like this, and it affects them. I don't care who you are, what you say, it affects you. So that's kind of one of the reasons I went with Seattle in this game, even though I think it's going to be a close game. And I'm with you, Cam, I need to see Sam Donald in a big spot play big. But I'm leaning more on the defense of Seattle than the quarterback in Seattle. Yeah, that's a great point.

Like, I knew about it, but I didn't even take that into consideration about what you just said. And that's, you have to take that in consideration. You don't make these comments when the playoffs are coming up and your wide receiver, they can be grabbed or, you know, it's a lot of times where they let shit slide, even if it is pass interference. Or don't be on the opposite and then be on the offensive pass interference. Don't let that factor into the game tonight. I watched a special, I believe it was on Netflix, about referees and about how they would be shifty with people.

And this referee, he'd be retired referee, and he was open and honest about it. He's like, yeah, Avisson would give us shit, so we just, for two months gave him shit. We didn't give him no calls, wouldn't give him anything, he got knocked down, we'll call fouls on him, so on. He said, they got to the point where Allen Averson

walked up on him and said, how long this is gonna last, man? How long is this gonna go on? And we acted done. We acted like we didn't even know what he was talking about. He's like, what are you talking about? He said, you know what I'm talking about. He said, we had no idea what he's talking about.

But they knew. I remember that. Yeah, and they said, but they said, we knew what he was talking about. So I'm like, you're 100% right. This may factor in to the game tonight and not just tonight, moving forward. And you're at the point where they're a coalition.

Yo, I had Pooka last week. You got them this week. You know what to do. I wouldn't, listen. You got to be careful what you say, my nigga. Yeah, that is a very good point. I think now that they know that they're being watched and they're being clock like Statt would say,

they got to do better because now the whole world is paying attention to this. The gig might be up. Who knows? So I'm kind of curious because Puka specifically, I'm not going to say has gotten like heat because I don't think it's there yet, but like obviously like this happened on stream and talking about the refs and there was another incident where he was live streaming and apparently they're not supposed to live stream post game in the locker room and his teammates told him to turn it off and he was like I'm not streaming and trying to like play it off but we saw how basically with the situation with the refs he was able to go on stream and kind of clear up how he felt so mike what do you think is the appropriate balance of an athlete controlling their own narrative versus like the fans and the media establishing who they think they are because puka might feel a certain way about it but of course

the media and these headlines are always going to have their kind of own stories about what they think or how they feel about it what do you think that line is but puka has to understand right when you're when you're winning and you're right now the top team in the nFC so so now just just hey you're doing what you need to do you ain't got to put no gas and nobody's paint so just keep doing what you're doing. You know, you're trying to go viral on a live stream. Them live, what are you helping those live streamers? You ain't helping your team.

You know what I'm saying? So just, hey, tell them doka-jokers, man. Listen, man, I got to go out here and play. And when I go out there, I'll be tapping the reps on the ass. I ain't going to Josh Hardham, but I'm like, what's up, man? It's just a game today. You know what I'm saying? Good game, good game, man.

Let's have a good game. because I used to know guys went to the refs and complained, my girl are gonna push, Mike Irving gonna do this, you know, they're already in their ear. So now they're watching, they're watching. They used to tell me, yeah, we talked to him before the game, yeah, guys talked to us, we were watching you.

So, so, so these guys got social media too. And they're going to be reading all, not just what Puka said, but Puka sets off a firestorm, Everybody on there bringing up all the times the ref made a bad call against their team. Yeah, I'm a big, I'm a this fan. And he did this here. Yeah, I thought the same thing, Pooka.

So now you know broke down, I'm getting in hell on these guys. And they think the same, let me do the same back. I'm just, you know, if I lose the game, I'm going to lose the game on the play. I'm not messing with the rest because you can't, you know what I mean? You can't, and Cam just told them, they're here. human they're human they're human they got people at home they got kids at home saying dad they called you this and they say you do this and all of those things man it just you know good i rather you give me bullet-to-board material talking about the other team then i want you talking about the

rest and if i was playing with puka i'm gonna say man you got to hold that down don't be talking about the reps talk about other people but don't talk about those reps it is it is And, you know, and that's, that's youth. That's youth. You got to, he'll understand that. He plays hard, and he's a great player. I mean, two, Pooka's a great player, and he plays hard. I mean, give everything he has all the time.

But that, that right there, I'll tell him not to do that. Yeah, I think this is part of the reason my personal opinion, Antonio Brown got exited out of Pittsburgh, live streaming in the locker room. What are you doing? Right. And AB's my man, you know, that's friend of the show, plus my nigga. But you know what I realized, man, on some G shit, Mike?

This, and not just young people, people can't control their self when it comes to posting. You know how many, how many bitches I would be still fucking if they wouldn't come to my house and stop and be posted? I cut a lot of holes off. They can't control their self. They get in there, so, oh, look at this, Oh, we're on the golf course.

Yo, no, calm down. I got another joint. That's gonna be mad that you're doing that. Now I gotta cut you off, and then I tell you, stop posting, and you can't control yourself. Oh, I'm just posting my feet. They know that floor. That floor's original.

Right. You can't control yourself. You can't control it. You can't, you know, this social media street, people cannot control themselves. Yo, don't post this. Do not post where we're at. I don't like people.

I like people knowing where I'm at after I'm going. We just walking through the airport. Yo, stop. Stop, yo. Stop. And people are going to see this. Because I never give our explanation. Now you know.

Now you know why I don't hook out with you no more. And now you know why we haven't been hanging out and I still speak. You're not coming to visit up again because you cannot stop posting. Calm down. I'm sorry I had to get my shit off through this conversation, but this needed, I've been waiting for opportunity to say this.

Control yourself. Yeah, it's a sickness. It is a sickness, it is a sickness, it's a sickness. It's a sickness. You know, you got people, you got people, right? You wake up in the middle of night, go to the bathroom. They can't even see it, go to the bathroom. It's going on Instagram.

Before they go to be, they got to be on there for the four minutes, they wake up in the middle of night. It's they sick, man. It's sick. And it's bad. Back to this situation. I'm sorry, I have to tell my story real quickly. Wait, wait, wait, but before you move there, Cam, let me tell you.

I got jokers that I work with sometimes. And I'll have him come in and meet him, and them joker or try to have their phone right here in the pocket. I hate that. And the niggas shoot. I'm like, man, what are you doing, dog? And then I see it on his live or something. Or I see it on his, you know, on his story.

I said, man, what the hell are you doing, man? In my house, come on, dude, stop. Right. What are you doing, dude, it ain't that serious. Right. The dudes know we know each other. Right. You ain't got to be sneaking in here.

So now, now I'm watching you with a, hey, take the damn phone at your pocket. Right. Leave it in the car if you're coming in here. Right. You know what I mean? It's ridiculous. Right. It really is ridiculous.

I'm like you. I don't want you to know until I'm gone. Right. You know, that's, hey, you know, I'm supposed nothing. I tell anybody. picture with if you post post this tomorrow right and say look at who i ran into after dinner don't tell nobody where we were at just look i ran after dinner okay where right exactly because you don't want to be really at you don't want to be at dinner absolutely 100

or i always say this though i say what is dinner we could be at dinner eating food made food fried in a pan or we could be someplace at dinner that food made by god's You know, you put a little money all of you to like, you know, what I'm saying? But all you need to say is after dinner, it's all you need to say. You're 100% right, man. So, yeah, I hate that one. I hate that, yo, I hate to act like they just do and say. But you could tell when they tape me and you act,

because when you're on the phone, you're more like this. You're not like this on the phone. You can tell you're not in a 93 angle. You're more at a 60 degree angle when you're on the phone. This is my opinion. But I understand it now. I didn't understand it back in the days. And this might have been like when iPhones first came out

or maybe just a little bit before. And I used to go to her house with my friends. And everybody except for me, she's like, Kim, they have to sign a non-disclosure before they get in. And I was like, yeah, you boozy and shit, this doesn't hurt. Because we used to talk to each other, but now I get it. Why don't you bring my niggas over Mariah Carey House?

It was, you have to sign nine. You wouldn't put me there before, P? Yeah, you got to sign a non-disclosure. She had to sit at her front door and you sign paperwork before you're coming out. You ain't gonna steal no Emmy, no fucking Academy, or not, pardon me, no Grammy out of here, and all type of shit.

You ain't gonna be in here taping nobody and nothing. We got your paperwork, we need all. I used to be like, yo, you're tripping. Nah, I get it. When you're not a statue, I get it 100%. But on back to the last topic we was talking about, I just had to throw my stories in there, is this down the line, you know,

he didn't get fine for this yet, but this is the shit we seen a few weeks ago with Dylan Gabriel's girlfriend. Yo, everybody wants Dylan Gabriel to play, tweeting. Yo, even your family has to be careful. People are watching everything. You have to, your family has to be careful. You have to be careful

because it could cause you with somebody else says that's close to you. We ought to get control over this, And I think my man PT, who's in the building night, made a great point. It's a sickness. It's bad. And I don't, and it doesn't look like it's going backwards.

That's why you have to surround your people, surround yourself with people who can, who can understand that everything's not a photo op. I went to, what is, a, Bruno Mars concert, and they lock your phones up. You go on these shit, there's some type of technology now. You put your phone in the bag, they're tied up and you don't have a phone in the arena whatsoever.

And you get your phone on the way out. Dave Chappelle comedy shows, Kevin Hart comedy shows. They tired niggas thrown something there to where you won't be able to tape them. And it's honestly better that way, because people do too much. Like, I've literally had friends where, like, I would stop hanging out with them because we would go certain places.

And it's like your record, especially when the flash accidentally turns on, I'm like, you cannot, you cannot come with me because you're sitting here trying to make a headline or like, trying to like brag about where you're at. And there are certain things that just don't need to be televised or posted. And especially when you get to tagging people,

like it's just too much. So it's like you either understand it or you don't. And if you don't understand it, sometimes you're just gonna get left. And then the sports aspect, it's like certain things are supposed to be private on purpose, not just for you. Even if you don't care,

it's to protect the people that you're around. And I just feel like that that's an understanding that people just have to respect. Whether you wanna do that or not, the people around you are, all so important people you cannot just be recording and posting and like sharing like private conversation especially like in the locker room things like that after a win like those are private for a reason and it's just everybody want to post everything and everybody want to go viral and

everybody wants a moment and you why let's just vibe it doesn't have to be a moment but people don't understand that so but shout out to pukinakua hopefully the media stuff kind of because they'd been kind of getting on him a lot and then you know when these type of situations happen that's the type for the headlines to be like well if he wasn't doing this this wouldn't have happened and you don't even want that blame or distraction on you so hopefully they figure it out but with that being said that is all the time that we have for today mike you know it's always a pleasure to have you on the show right here me with that thought right there because that's what we're about to go for in in college station i'm talking about my

me the cowboy was yeah we know that yeah yeah we told my you know what it is you know what it is literally that you die out and you know and you guys know right i got a i gotta be at that fight friday night who's working with netflix but yeah i got to yeah me too mike i did the face off for the fight oh yeah i'm gonna be out there that i'll get the fried born and get at that fight that's gonna be good Also, also real quick, real quick, Mike, if you haven't seen it yet, I did the face off, Anthony Joshua, Jake Paul. Make sure you go on to YouTube and watch it right now.

And the fight is going to be December 19th Friday, like Mike said in Miami. I was supposed to say that yesterday. I'm saying it today as well. But make sure you go to YouTube and check out the face off between Jake Paul and Anthony Joshua. Sorry, Mike, I didn't mean to interrupt. But it's good that we're going to be together Friday. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

And I love, Ken, I love that you, I love seeing you in that stuff, man, and seeing you out. You know, you were telling me one time, like, I get out and, you know, be at places. Because I think that's important. We talk sports. You want to be, you're bringing people that ain't got a chance to be there firsthand experience. You went with, you know what I mean, as opposed to just watching it all the time. Showing up gives you a different perspective and help you do your job when you get a chance to go to the those places. So that's why I love going to them. So yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing you

that, buddy. And appreciate you guys, man. Yeah. All right, guys. Of course. Thank you all for watching. And as always, it is what it is. You know,