IT IS WHAT IT IS - CAM'RON GOES OFF ON MA$E ABOUT THE BUBBLE LAKERS ONCE AGAIN & MICHAEL PORTER JR IS A TRICK!

Episode Date: November 20, 2025

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Hit that subscribe button, lock in your bonus, and start playing today with code. It is what it is. I'm Treasure Wilson, aka Stat Baby, along with your host, Mace, and Cam. And today, we are joined with our analyst, Michael Irvin. Mike, what's good? Killer, what's going on? What's good, bro? How you are? Chilling, man.

I see all y'all got your educated glasses. on. Hey, I wear glasses. Oh, God. But, Cam, I do like that look, Cam. I just dig it. That's that old, you know, you don't always want to look like a thug. Sometimes you want to just fake people out, like, you know, like you're just a good scholar.

You know, Cam, it's like a scholar. I actually wear glasses a lot. But we first started to show Mace was wearing glasses, so I didn't, I didn't want to wear my glasses. all the time. I didn't want to have the same look. I don't like looking like people. That's not my thing. So they don't call you twin.

That's why I didn't wear my glasses today. I kind of felt it. I got a feeling everybody's going to wear your glasses. Yeah, I had a feeling. Obviously, I was right. Black and white. Yeah. Mesa, I see that black and white he got on that sweater.

I know you try, I know you're trying to pull off because I had that black and white on a couple days ago, that same thing when you tried to call me out. I like that look. I like that look. I like that little. Mike is actually brown. It's actually chocolate in white, Mike, but good try.

Good try. Doug Brown. Dark Brown. I like even more. I like it even more. Doug Brown. It's right for this season. Okay.

Amoka. We like to see it. And also just quick thing about the glasses thing, it's funny because we, well, I don't know if you guys need them or don't. I don't even need glasses. I literally have 20-20 vision, but I just wear them for, for fashion. You have 2020 staff? Yeah.

I can see all the way. I can see perfectly fine. Like, oh, your glasses are like, yeah, they're not, they're blue light lenses. You're not near sight at all, far-sighted. My vision is like perfect. I can see very well. But just for fun, it's fashion. Mike, are you near-sighted or far-sighted or far-sighted?

sighted. No, I'm far, I can see far. I just, I got problems seeing small words on paper. So what I have is my, my medicine is down low. So when I'm looking down, I can see. But when I'm looking out or reading the prompt or anything, there's no medicine in the glasses there. Okay, so that kind of explains that you can't see things when they're right there in front

of your face. Oh, he's going to use that. I don't even try that one. I don't even try that one. I'm trying it. Right. Okay. So let's get into our predictions first. So tonight, the Bills will play the Texan.

C.J. Stroud remains in concussion protocol. So Mike, do you think, think the Texans can come out victorious, or is this the bill's game? It's a long shot if Texas, for the Texas to come out victorious. Even though you got to give him credit, this would be the third game in a row that Davis Mills start, and he's been winning and putting up some points, at least two games ago. They put up some pretty little points. But I thought Buffalo found that groove.

last week playing against Tampa putting up 44 points and and Josh Allen putting up three each way, you know, six touchdowns, three by run, three by air. I thought they kind of found their groove and I think they'll take care of the Texans pretty good. Yes, to Mike's own credit, I don't think that the Texans would have won if they had C.J. Stroud, I would go on the record of that. I just think, like Mike said, that the bills right now are playing really strong. And Josh Allen is looking like he's having a MVP season. And I don't think they would have beat them again with C.J. Strauss. So they're not having present.

Even though the backup is playing really good at QB2, becoming QB1, they don't have enough to beat. In my personal opinion, they don't have enough to beat the bills. Yeah, I agree with everybody. Texans haven't looked good in the last couple years. You know, we was really big on C.J. Strout, his rookie year. We thought he was going to be one of these players that may turn into elite quarterback. And I said he still can't, but we thought it was going to be kind of faster than the process that's going now.

And not just that. Texas haven't been bowling this season at all, like, like May said, with or without C.J. Strout. And Buffalo definitely looked good last week. And I know that Buffalo needs to win to try and stay close to the Patriots. So I'm going with Buffalo to win this game. All right. Now let's get into our underdog pick. So we obviously know the game is tonight.

Underdog has Josh Allen at 226 in a half passing yards. You have him higher, lower Mace? 226. I'm going higher. Cam? Yeah, I'm going to go higher as well. Okay. James Cook is at 73 and a half rushing yards.

You have them higher, lower, Cam? Lower. Yeah, lower. Okay, and Nico Collins is at 74 and a half receiving yards. Do you have higher, lower, Mace? Mm. Hi. It's a good one.

We'll go higher as well. They don't need it. Make sure y'all download the Underdog app and you can make your picks too. So we've been seeing a lot of teams that we didn't expect to be at the top, be at the top. So between the Panthers, Colts, Patriots, and Bears. Mike, which of these teams have surprised you the most this season with how well they've played? And I love this question because both of these four teams are here and a lot of people, like you said, didn't believe or expect them to be here.

But when I look at them, like the coach, they had some things, some talent. They just needed that quarterback and, you know, they're doing better than anybody thought because that Daniel Jones is playing better. The Bears, you got a first-picked quarterback over there. You just got a brilliant offensive coordinator, so you expect them to do some things this year. I'm shocked at the Panthers, really shocked to see what the Panthers are doing right now.

But the number one team that you've got to be most surprised about are the Patriots. I mean, this team, and the way they're playing, with Drake made at quarterback. I mean, this has been, it's been an incredible year. For me right now, you can give Mike Grable the Coach of the Year award right now. I don't care what the rest of the season is like for what he's done with the Pats. I'm most surprised that the Pats are where they are. If I had to go on the record and say which team I'm most surprised by,

I would have to say to Carolina Panthers because just last year, they were selling the tickets for 50 cents a dollar like you they was basically giving the tickets away begging people to come to the games and now here they are playing at a at a much much higher level and i i would say they will be number one for me the number two team that i wrote down um that will be my second team is the indiana colts because like like he said they they had all of the pieces but we were just not sure about the quarterback position And when you don't have a QB1 playing well, it's kind of hard to win in the National Football League. So those will be my two teams that I'm greatly surprised.

And I must go on the record and say, I'm also surprised that the Chiefs are not playing as well as they should be playing. This is an absolute surprise. It's not a heartbreak yet, as long as they could turn it around in this latter part of the season. Well, gross. That's gross. Look at somebody telling the truth. Wow. Right.

Oh, you're fucking amazing, man. Look at somebody finally telling the truth. I don't know. I came from a major, man. The door been open for a while. We all been waiting for you to come inside. For us. Maybe, maybe because I,

I have my fingers like you be putting your fingers when you tell the truth. This I know when Cam is telling the truth, he put his fingers like this. He's ready to tell the truth. A great observation. I'm glad you're observing the posture, man. To answer the question,

I was going to go with the Carolina Panthers as well. Like May said, he was making a lot of fun of them last year. He's almost giving tickets. way. But then when I looked at this question was going to be asked. And I looked at it, I didn't know that the Carolina Panthers actually had a better record than the New England

Patriots last year. By game. So to agree with Mike, I'm going to have to go with Mike because we're so used to for the Patriots to do well that sometimes even when they're not doing well, we figure maybe they won six, seven games last year. Maybe they won eight games.

They actually only won four games last year and Carolina won five. So when I seen this on the list of questions, I want everybody's record, went to see what they did last year. So I'm going to have to agree with Mike on this particular one, even though my original answer before I did the due diligence was the Carolina Panthers.

But damn, the Patriots been stinging it up for a few years now. We know they wasn't what they was since Tom Brady left, but I didn't know that they was that bad. It's kind of like the San Antonio Spurs. When they wasn't winning after, you know, the key players left

Genoblee, Tim Duncan, the rest of the crew, some type of way Greg Popovich still was getting them to the playoffs and you're like and you know

that's my team so I'm like yo I ain't actually you know the tank but God damn man Greg Popovich always made it

to the playoffs some type of way four or five seasons after these guys left it's just been the last two three years that they haven't been

going to play maybe four and I was thinking about that about Bill Belichick and I'm like yo they've still been all right

but they haven't been alright for a long time so I'm going to agree with Mike on this to say the most surprising from the turnaround since last year is the Patriots. Yeah, and what are you guys, why nobody picked the Broncos, they're not into

as well. Well, the Broncos, Broncos is a good answer to, but just out of the ones that I listed, that's why I was like curious, because these are the ones I've been stirring up a lot of conversation, but obviously that's not. Yeah. Bad take either. Okay, so even though he's not playing on the field, he's

going to find a way to make the headline. So Scataboo, was seen attending W.W.E. Raw at Madison Square Garden, along with teammates, Abdul Carter and Roy Robertson Harris. He was in a bit where he shoved a wrestler and they sort of did a back and forth, did a little braw. If you guys remember, Skadaboo is on injury recovery. So after seeing that clip and then seeing kind of what happened, Mike, what's your opinion on his participation in this during the season, even though he isn't playing? But what are your thoughts? Listen, I scatterboos been scattered about New York.

I couldn't listen to some of those on the back. I saw him Saturday night at the UFC fight, you know, so I was in New York. I was like, man, I guess, you know, hey, were you king of New York? You got to go and be king of New York. You got to, I ain't got no issue with that, man. I think, honestly, I think what he does is. really he makes a fan base hype they got they got them a little superstar running back who has personality i like to say you got a little junk in his trump that mean you know some

brother got some brother you know what i mean so yeah scadaboo out everyone but scataboo all be big though i promise y'all i promise y'all if he heals correctly because that wasn't pretty serious injury, but if he healed correctly, yeah. And I don't have a problem with that. Not in today's game, because today is not just about football anymore. It's about your individual brands and all of this stuff. It's got to bea-booters making a brand for himself. So I don't have an issue with him getting out. He didn't put himself in harm's way. Wait, did you also, when that little skit with Carter, you could tell him one of the more cock-strong old country dudes, right?

because they peered the push to get, push somebody in that little skit they did. Mike is car acting, Mike. Dude, dude. Now, but you can tell when somebody's so strong and they push you with a force, I believe he pushed them harder than they acted

or they wanted him to, because they just went out the picture. I said, that's a strong dude right there. But I'm happy for Scatterball. I like it. Yes, when they come to Scatterboe and him paying his respect to the WWE. So many of us who grew up on WrestleMania and things of that nature.

I look at it like he's just enjoying himself as well as, you know, when people are injured, sometimes to sit at home could be the worst thing that you do because your thoughts can get lower. Your mental can begin to be compromised. And I think him getting out as well as growing his brain at the same time, while he's injured is a great thing to do. And if he's, like you said,

if he's going to grow in that market of New York, you got to go out and do other things. So I'm all for it long as he doesn't get hurt while he's out. But if he gets hurt while he's out, this whole narrative changes. Like, what are you doing? Why was you there? You know, this can change really fast.

So while you out there really protect yourself, scatterable, and we're looking forward to you recovering really soon and having a phenomenal career. Yeah, I agree with both you guys take. Yeah, why not? You know what I'm saying? I agree with both of you guys' sake. My thing is this.

I just want to say it's two things. I want to give Kim Skadaboo publicists a lot of credit. And not just as publicist, planning the New York market is really a big deal. Because, you know, first of all, his name is Cam, right? We'll start there. We'll just start with that. And Scataboo is kind of a catchy name.

You know what I'm saying? But why the fuck, you know, and just me, whenever, I don't care about New York fans and you're mad, whatever. This is what it's talking about. When you got a catchy name, you live in the New York market, you get a lot of praise. Cam Scadaboo played eight NFL games in his career. And niggas be talking about this nigga like he mini-it-sha-M in the son. Like, his name gets brought up too much for him not to done as much shit that people think he's like.

He played eight NFL games in his life. Yo, Scataboo's here. Scataboo's here. You see, Scataboo, he rushed for 22 yards last game. You know, I'm exaggerating. But they're making a big deal, but that gets credit for being in the New York market and having a great publicist

because it's a lot of Carym Scadaboo talk, and I don't really know what he's accomplished for him to get this much recognition. But I ain't going to rain on his parade. Congratulations, but you haven't done anything to be getting this much credit. So I want to give his publicist and playing him in the New York

market, a lot of credit. A lot of Cam Scadabooke, what's the accomplishments football-wise? You got to give him stuff. You got to give him his proff. The way he played, those eight games is not just but the way he played

you know what I mean? Cammy played with that fiery stuff that New Yorkers like that's bump that stuff that New York is like so and I'm I know it's only eight games and you're right.

Hey, man, hey, that dude. What, Mike, how many wins do Cam Scatibu got? They don't,

they don't give running back wins like that. So, but how many wins does he have, Mike? You're an expert. You should know this. But what are you saying?

Camp Scataboo doesn't have any wins. The team takes on the wins. We don't count wins for running back. So how many wins do, how many wins do, how many? wins does the team have, Mike?

He doesn't have any wins. If you asked me to answer the question, he doesn't have any win. What I'm saying is this, man, he's not making that much a difference to help the team win. And I know it's a team sport, Mike. We know that football is the biggest team sport

in America. I'm not taking away from that knowledge. I understand that. But you're acting like it's that much a difference into making this team win or changing the outcome of a game. Of course he has fiery stuff. Look, James

Winston is fiery when he talks a good one before the game he's motivational he's on the sideline clapping all this shit you said it too Mike very fiery is that equal out to changing the outcome of a game

no James Winston and Mason like I said he wasn't here I hate to give you the credit like I said the other day James Winston through an interception to end the game against the last weekend the very last player in the game you do an interception

and the end of the game but he's firing Mike he's motivational he's inspirational he's motivated motivational inspirational firing yes Mike

the last person to have this kind of impact with this less of many games was Kai Rie down in Duke I remember Kai Rie played like four games and they were already like yo he's going to be the number one pick He only played four games, but that was a phenomenal four games or three, whatever it was, before he got injured. And Scatterboot is not producing on that level.

It's just, it's a big market, killer, just like you said. Are you all trying to backdoor this conversation? What are you trying to say? We're talking so much about Scatterboo because he's a white running back. Is that the back door in this conversation? right here? You said it. Well, okay.

The ice is colder. I'm discerning the conversation. It's not that I'm making a statement about it. I'm trying to decipher it and figure out what they're saying. Well, listen, Mike, listen. Mike, listen. Okay, go ahead. Mike is white ice cold or black ice?

What? What do you mean? What do you mean? I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. My thing is this, the question is this, was, would it be a problem if, do we have a problem with Scataboo going to the W.E? So I'm not escaping the conversation, Mike.

I'm just giving my opinion on why is this much talk about Scataboo. I gave a little more context. I said I agree with the initial statement that you were murder said. I definitely agree with it. But what I'm saying is this. If this was Ashton Genty, will we be begging a big deal? Like you said, he's in the market, he's right in the market, and he's fiery. I agree with everything that you're talking about.

But I'm not disagreeing with what you're talking about football-wise. But what is he accomplished? This goes to, like, you don't realize, Mike, I don't know who your publicist is or who gets you everywhere you go. Mike, you're 19 places a week. you're on TV every time I turn on the motherfucker TV you're at a Miami game you're the Dallas game you're at the RUFC

you're everywhere Mike this is what I'm saying visibility counts so I'm giving his publicist credit but now you're taking it to a football situation and if we want to go to a football situation you're not going to change the fact that he played eight games and he's part of a team and he's part of a team

than won two of the eight games or seven games before you got out of it, eight games before you got out of there. Or three games, how many games they won? But the point being is, you can't, Mike, whatever you're saying, I'm only spilling the facts. It's not, anything else there was a fact.

Everything, everything, everything. Everything. But we both are factual. We both are very factual. Here we go. There you go. There you go with your universe. Ladderal truth, Mike.

He had people excited, man. Him, Malique neighbors. You know, so, yeah, I think he's done some things, man. I like his style. I like what he present. Every team is looking for a triplet. So New York is saying when they get healthy, we have our triplets.

We have our quarterback. We have our number one receiver and our number one running back. and they are about the same age. I'm telling you, I'm telling you, New York can have something in a few years. Mike,

let me ask you one last question before we move on. You ever heard of the Great White Hope? Oh, yeah. I love a show. Great White Hope. Yeah. No, it's just the slogan.

Yeah, I know. I know, right. That's what I'm saying. Hey. No, that's what I'm saying. That doesn't know, that's what I'm saying. But that's what I was trying to pull out of y'all. Go ahead and say it.

Oh, go ahead and say. That's why I would say, oh, y'all trying to say that they're building him up as the great white hope. You see what I'm saying? And I ain't got no issue with that. I like that. You know what I mean? And I think he is. I'm telling you who is that for them?

Listen, who's been more productive? No, let me change that question. coming into this season and I'm not switching sports real quick coming into this season who's the most talked about player before the season started coming into the NBA season

boom right oh Cooberflat this season yeah Cuba Flack exactly so again is the ice cola Mike.

That's all we're saying, Mike. Is it frozen when it's black ice? That's what we're saying, Mike. Is he got to measure a man on distance travel? Hooper Flag had come in with all of his height. Scatterboot. Nobody was talking about Scatterboot. And he jumped on the scene and making you know his name.

We're having a whole segment conversation about him. So he's obviously done. something. You see what I mean? He's got to get a publicist. Yeah, he picked the great publicist, Mike. That's what he's trying to tell you. That's what I'm telling you. Hey, yeah,

who plays pretty good football when he was playing. He plays pretty good. They just say with enough games. I get it. I get it. Yeah. For this, I'm actually going to use Mesa's quote. Two things can be true at the same time. I knew he was going to say that. It's the truth. He could have a good publicist, but at the same time, like, for him to be on

our radar and done what he's done. I know it's only two wins with the Giants. It's like, there's something there. But that's what a good publicist does is put you on the radar. But he got to help some part of that, too. This is where we agree to disagree. No, no. You and Pamper on the same accord, me and my friend is like that a good publicist

puts you on a radar. That's the part of their job, public relations. The literal dispute. I agree. True. Before we move on, I just wanted to bring this. up because you guys are all in the same accord, but actually him being at WWE, it's kind of like half and half reactions. Some people feel like it doesn't make sense for him to be there, even though some people agree with him having a good time. Former safety, T.J. Ward said, this is how you make sure you have a short NFL career. And then Scataboo ended up making a tweet. It wasn't directly in response, but I think just outwardly to everybody who had issues with him being there. And I'm going to read some of it. He said, honestly, if you don't like that I'm having a good time while dealing with a tough time, then just go ahead and follow me and casually move on. I'm not able to play football and have the fun I've been having my whole life.

So I'm doing things outside the box, trying to find stuff to keep me happy. So, Mike, do you have any thoughts on what T.J. Ward had to say about Scataboo having a short NFL career? And then Scataboo's response. Yeah, I do have a hell of a thought on it. And I'm going to what made me say. It made me think about when he brought it up. And Scadaboo was echoing it. I'm telling you guys, I remember going through my first ACL injury, second year.

in the league never been hurt before in my life and I went in there man and I was thinking it was going to be one thing I would walk right out of here handle it like a man and I did not and I went into such a depression I'm telling you I was so depressed so so when mace was talking about I was like yeah I didn't think about that you I'm telling you got to get your mind moving you have to get your mind moving or you're going to get a depression like when I woke up right the doctor told me lift my leg I couldn't lift my leg so you know I'm thinking I never being able to pray again I just shut up in the house so so and then he said it I'm telling you he's right let him get out let him get around people see people keep keep change like we talk about changing that frequency

then he goes and worked out and get his workout and he still feel a part or something but but yeah That's the part. So, yeah, I wouldn't even listen to what you're the boy talking about because he's not the one in that situation. You can't tell me what's good for my mental. Like, I know being hurt and being uninvolved and I'm active as I am like I like to be, that would put me in a depression. And I think it will probably do the same thing now. That's a great take. And also thanks for sharing that because that's some insights.

Okay. So moving on to the Ravens, Lamar Jackson is. dealing with an ankle injury and among eight ravens who were not at practice. He also missed the first practice of last week due to knee soreness. Mike, has Lamar Jackson's injuries this season caused concern

for you yet, or do you think that they're still fine? No, no. Lamar Jackson's injuries caused concern. Oh, yes. Oh, yes, indeed. Because you saw what they look like without Lamar Jackson. You see? That's just, that's the scary part. You know, hey, hey,

And the only chance they have doing what they need to do and trying to catch Pittsburgh and win that division is he's got to be on the field. They got no other chance if he's not on the football field. So absolutely, I'm concerned about any little thing that Lamar Jackson is going through. He's the MVP. I think a better question would be Stadar,

are you concerned about his injuries? Because as long as Lamar Jackson is on that field, It spells trouble for the Pittsburgh Steelers. So I would say as a fan, I'm definitely concerned. But the whole Pittsburgh should be more concerned than we are here at it is what it is. I'll go last. Cam. Pittsburgh hoping that the nigger hurt.

They're concerned me. Like, I hope these niggas hurt. To be honest, look, we talked about this when he first came. back and we were saying that, you know, actually Mace was saying that hopefully that he's really 100% ready to come back. And I agree with Mason. I was basically saying, yeah, if he's healthy, come back. But if he's not, rest up because he's still young, he's still a franchise player, and you still have a lot of years ahead of time. When I hear about this injury, what I think is this, he was probably, and I'm guessing I have no facts to what I'm talking about. He

It was probably about maybe 75, 80%, and he's seen how terrible the division was. And they was like, look, we got a chance to still win this thing, even though we're two and five or whatever their record was when he decided to come back. And he's like, we can still win this. And maybe he's still not 100, or obviously he's not 100%, but maybe he wasn't even close to 100% when he came back. I just think he sees how weak the division is. Pittsburgh Steelers does not pass the eye test.

Of course, we know what the Browns and Cincinnati Bengals are doing. And they said, we have a chance, even with a suddenly 5, 80% Lamar Jackson. So if I'm Baltimore, I'm concerned, if I'm Pittsburgh, I'm really happy. But we'll see what happens. Yeah, I'll just add,

I never want anybody to get hurt. Like, I'm hoping he has speed recovery. When people start, they slogan off when I don't never want nobody to get hurt, they happy to nobody gets hurt. No, we don't want. that. I don't remember want anybody to get hurt. That's like, I got

black friends. Whenever somebody started with that, you just can never trust it. He's 100% right. And I hate to agree with him. It's the truth. Y'all been agreeing a lot all week and I love that for y'all. But me, I actually don't want him to get hurt. I believe in karma.

So once you start putting that out in the atmosphere and stuff, like, that's how things get happening. I'm okay off that. So yes. But that's how you're trying to write a fine print so you don't get the calm that's what you're doing you're trying to put it in the atmosphere and be like i said yeah i hope he don't get hurt but deep down inside because you guys you guys say a statement i don't want to cut you up i don't want to cut you up i'm lying i'm lying stuffing yeah yeah and i'm in your seat to not playing

you called the five print i call it the truth that's just how i feel but yes right now stealers are six and four ravens are five in five we play the Bears. And then they talk about Aaron Rogers, something's going on with his left wrist. So he should be good to play. But if not, as Mason Rudolph, I'm not even worried about the Ravens right now because I'm worried about us. Okay, we got the Bears next. I want us to win this game. I want to remain at the top of our division. Will that happen? I'm hoping so. But at the end of the day, I'm not really worried about what the Ravens got going on right now because even just the performance of their last game versus the Browns, they ain't look

too hot. So I'm just worried about us. I'm just worried about me, me and minds. Then we'll worry about the Ravens when they get a little bit more closer, even though they're right there, we know that, but I'm good right now. So we cool. We cool. Yeah, this was my concern, honestly, for Lamar Jackson was that he came back, like Killer said, 100%, because the alignment of the knee and the ankle go hand in hand. So when you don't have that structure there, you end up pulling from another part of your body that normally causes people to get injured. So this is why you got to be 100% when you come back. Yeah, for sure.

Okay, we're going to go to break when we return. We will discuss LeBron's season day, you don't go anywhere. Hey, to everybody out there that are, it is what it is, fans. We want to thank you guys for all of your support. Stay happy this holiday. Do something good. Enjoy your family. And we love you guys from all of us here at It Is What It is.

God bless you. I'm just saying, hey, if you want to put the light on it. DJ, the dime life brand is serious. I love that shirt you got on. Like this and your bank account is that much? You say whatever the fucking want a second. Rally around him with that, you know, the picture of his daughter sitting on the lap, the LSU player. Will we happen as you can join us?

Man, thank you for having me. Look, I tell you this. Hey, boy. Okay, let me check like this. I got too much money to be fighting. We ain't got that no, though. And we've taken that song a long time and made it our anthem. Paul A. Jenkins.

I even put your bullshit-ass book up here on my, you know what I mean. Welcome to start with the facts. Welcome back. So we're going to talk to some basketball. ball. LeBron James made his season debut the other night with the against the jazz and the Lakers beat them 142-1-26. Mike, how do you feel about this year 23 version of LeBron James? First, congrats for having that 23rd year. As they talked about during the broadcast, no one has played as long as LeBron, you know, and we were talking the other day about the money you

put into your bodies and put into your body. And we know LeBron spent. some money on his body and he's gotten all these years in. Now, LeBron looked great in his debut. He looked fresh. You know, he looked great. He made some, he saw, he made some beautiful passes, beautiful plays. You know, then he got a double, double, something like that.

So, yeah, but it's the debut. That's always going to be great. I know it's his first game and everybody happened. It's not the first game that we have to watch for LeBron. there's no glass games when you get in the playoffs. Because he was fresh. He had great legs and he looked great. And the team looked great.

You know, but yeah, when we'll get deeper to that season and then deeper into a playoffs, that that's where you start worried about LeBron and talking about his 23rd year in a different way. Right now we're congratulating him and uplifting him for doing 23 years. But at the end of that long season, and he can't jump in anymore, we start messing with him about those 23 years.

And so, you know, just keeping it all in perspective. I think it's a phenomenal thing that LeBron has been able to remain at this level for so long and to be able to say you're doing this at a 23rd year. I just pray that this year goes exceptionally well for him, that he performs at a very high level, continue to score like 20 plus points a game. And the Lakers actually win because that's going to turn into a greater legacy for him. I think right now he's already submitted first ballot, Hall of Fame, you know, one of the greatest to ever do it, top, you know, everybody's top two or top five.

But I just think that this is a phenomenal feat. And to think that if he plays well this year and continue to play well in this 23rd year, we could be looking at a father with both sons on the same team. This is just a phenomenal thing to think about. And I'm just, I'm happy for him in his entire family and all of the Laker Nation. I got a question for Mace. Well, Mike, you wasn't on the show yesterday. Yeah.

And Mace said he doesn't count the championship that LeBron James won in the bubble. And this morning, Rich Paul put us on the group text and you didn't respond, Mace. What did he say? You got the text. You want the group text. Oh, he said, does I count,

do I count the bubble? Absolutely not. He said, he said, so now niggas not count the bubble. Why didn't you respond on the group text?

Why did you choose to ignore that? I thought you was pause. I thought you were just like, you know, pulling my leg, pause. That's what I'm, I'm thinking like,

he'll go, I'm with another. another antics, but I'm glad to know that Rich Paul said this on its own so I can address it. I don't count that. I'm not going to change what I said for Rich Paul.

But how would you think I'm pulling an antic if you're on a group text and you see the text come from him and you said this on television yesterday? How am I pulled? How do you even relate that to me pulling the answer? Because you probably told him this. You know, he probably didn't

even watch this show, you probably call him, yo, you heard what May said? I don't know, you know. I actually didn't call him and I think that you discredit our show to say that people are watching our show to be totally honest. I think that's really a discredit to what we do. I mean, he probably watched it, but you pointed it out to him. What do you think about

what May said, you know? And then he said, you know, you know Mace be having them wild takes, man. May said, and then he goes on the say something else. You remember what O.J. said. Mace got a grasp on the obvious. This would be the obvious that you shouldn't count it.

All I asked you is why you didn't respond. I didn't know he's going to go around the world, but okay. Back to the game. Look, LeBron, I think LeBron is one of the smartest players ever, not just one of the, you know, some people argue he's the best player ever, Michael Jordan.

You know, some people go back to Kareem or Bill Russell, whatever. He's in a conversation. And when I've seen this game, I said LeBron is very smart. You got to realize the Lakers were doing pretty good without him. Austin Reed had a 40-point game, a 50-point game. Luke is averaging over close to 40

points. And LeBron James came in and said, I want to add on to that. I don't want to disrupt that. He played 30 minutes. He had 12 assists, 11 points, and he only took seven shots because he knows that it's going to take a team to win this game. To me, my personal

opinion, in the last few years, he's been trying to give the team to Anthony Davis and Anthony Davis either then wanted or whether healthy enough to be around and take the

reins of him from the Lakers and now he sees somebody in Luka and not just Luca, he sees somebody in Rees where they said

okay I got a couple niggas that I know could go drop 50 points we know what Luka did do but when Lucas is out we see Austin

Reeves sit in and the games he had 40 and 50 the Lakers actually won and I think LeBron said I need to keep this chemistry

and add on two instead of trying to beat a man and what I saw in that game was a very smart player, somebody who's just coming back initially, who doesn't have to score 30 points for them to win because he got some gunners on the team.

So congratulations being in the year 23rd season, and we'll see what the Lakers do this season. Yeah, super dope by LeBron. And that would be great, though. That would be incredible, an incredible storyline, too, is in his 23rd season, as Michael George's number, he goes to win a championship. That would be an incredible storyline.

Um, real quick, because I can't even breeze by the Rich Paul thing because that is just so funny because Mace, you knew exactly what the text was one. And then two, you know how he always like, he didn't know what I was talking about. And then the second thing, sorry, I just have thoughts. Because Sin kind of does that way. He's like, there's no way that you guys didn't talk about this before bringing it. But like, you know how we're always like, well, people are always watching. People literally are always like, they can see us. The comments, because the comments call all of us out, whether it be Mace, whether it be me, whether it be can. It would be Mike, whether it be Arabia, like Maurice. Like, they get all of us. So I just think that is hilarious. But this will be a debate. But that was no antics. I just seen the text. It was, it was, niggas is watching.

Murdered it. They could see you, man. Yeah. I'm glad. I'm glad I'm on, on camera, you know, because that way I don't have to say it twice. I don't know why he felt like I needed to say it twice. Like, I didn't mean what I said.

We can't count the bubble. Not in Title Town. We could count it in a barbershop. But this ain't the barbershop. This is, it is what it is. TV talk, man. That part. This is where the talk gets stated.

Let me ask you, Mike, because Mia mays disagree on this. I count the bubble. The bubble championship that the Lakers won. How do you feel about that? Well, I think winning in a bubble is more difficult than, you know. winning all running around you're not having a home field advantage and all those things playing stand man man the way in the world you could have kept me focused on basketball in this bubble i would have been trying to get i'd have been like your boy that was caught at uh

magic city trying to see yeah thank you mike you know what i'm saying so it was just oh my god y'all know how crazy that must have been just from a mental standpoint there had to be more difficult and you're not into your routine so you know what I mean that now when you go for a guy like LeBron we just talked about it you know how much better how much better it is for a guy like lebron james if he doesn't have to travel as he gets older and he's able to stay in one place and play that one game and not put the travel on his body I think that's an advantage for an older guy but i do count above when i think that's more difficult to win in those situations i just think it's more difficult to win in those situations because it's not just about you you got to keep

all them other guys focused and and not thinking about uh legs and breast at the chicken i mean you know yeah there's two different legs and and breasts but he definitely had a time You got out playing out playing off the chicken leg and you know where, you know, right over there. Yeah, inside out. It was an alley-up. Y'all all just good with words. That's what y'all do. Okay.

So got some intake from Michael Porter Jr. So he revealed the Nets front office advised him to steer clear of certain topics during podcast appearances, specifically sensitive subjects like the WMBA, gambling, and his comments about women. So if you guys remember in the off season, he went on a couple podcasts, had a lot of strong thoughts. We will go over some of those comments in a bit. But he said, for the most part, I'm chilling.

I'm not trying to say nothing crazy no more. So, Mike, do you find issues with athletes voicing their opinions off the court if that's really how they feel? Well, I don't know how I find issues. I do it and do it for a living and all of that stuff, you know. So, no, I don't mind. You're forcing your opinion away from the game, voicing your opinion on other things or any of these platforms, you know.

But also, and what they're talking about, is trying to make sure that your opinion doesn't get in a way of what the team's trying to accomplish. And then everybody's coming back to asking the whole team about those opinions as opposed to asking them about what will be happening on the football, on the basketball court or on the football field. So sometimes it does get too far. When you're going to those dicey places, and I'm telling you,

this is why I don't care what anybody says. I don't talk politics. I don't do it because, you know, you start doing it. And sooner or later, it's going to tear something apart. Even on your team, with your teammates, it's going to tear something apart. So, yeah, you have to be careful. Words are real and words hurt. You remember that was my sticks and stones.

They break my bones, but words will never hurt me. That's a lie. And they can destroy their team. So, yeah, you have to be cognizant. What's the question again? Yeah. So how do you feel about athletes voicing their opinions off the court, if that's really how they feel? Because the organization told them, like, hey, maybe don't talk about that.

I think the bigger your brand is, the more damaging the statements you say can be taken. I think when people are not really checking for you, then you can go and say anything because you're not on a radar like that. But when you have these big corporate sponsors, big deals, you're on TV for telephones and hallmark and just all kind of mainstream brands, then you definitely got to watch what you're saying. And I think because one thing you say could just ruin everything. So you definitely got to watch out for that, I think. Yeah, I agree with Mace on that situation. And that's why I think this shit isn't even lose. And that's one of two games the season.

They're two and 12. Gives a fuck. Talk about the hose. Talk about games. It's not going to change the outcome. That's the type of shit that the front office and ownership would be like, yo, this is why we not want it. That ain't why y'all niggas ain't won it.

Y'all ain't winning because y'all ain't shit. So they're looking for reasons to be like, well you know shit like this could be damaging to no nobody cares about the Nets my nigger the Nets and I'm not being disrespectful because they know it was injuries it was a lot COVID there was a lot of shit going on yeah Kyrie on the Nets

yeah Katie on the Nets you died James Hardin on the Nets you have some decent players on the Nets as a franchise is not a good franchise yo ain't haven't been a long time since Jason Kidd and Carrie Kittles and all these niggas players, and they didn't win. There's better in Jersey. She stayed in Jersey.

This is shit they used for an excuse to be like, this is why we two and twelve. I would tell niggas, you know, they cut my checks, so I wouldn't agree with them, but in my brain I would have been like, don't try and blame me because we two and twelve. No, it's not my fault.

No, I'm supposed to do. That is that. I would love to just discuss one of the comments that he made because I'm curious on you guys' opinion. before we move on to our last topic. So one of them, he said is everybody has different vices. Everybody has different things that they struggle with. That can go with people who struggle from alcohol, people that struggle with drugs.

You know, for example, my brother struggled with Gamley, if you guys remember the Jontay Porter case that had happened. He said, my advice has always come in the form of women. So after hearing what he had to say, and Mike, I'll let you go first. Do you think that that's like, I guess you would say the top problem with most people in the entertainment space and athletes? Excuse me, I can't hear you. I must have lost you.

I must have lost you. Hello, hello. Hello. No, no, I'm just messing around. Daniel. You got me. That's why you got an American skills. I was trying to void that question is what I was trying to say.

To be honest with you, I'm just joking, but, listen, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that has a lot of it a lot to do with a lot of it and let's look at how it goes too because we look at athletes and everything okay like gladiators

and you're making all when you're making money everything you got you know you're in shape so yeah you're going to get more opportunities and yeah so if you're saying do you think that's the

number one issue or the number one concern you don't necessarily call women a vice, you know, that you got to go up against. I could affirm that. I could say that, yes. I believe that would be women would be one. Keller. I don't understand the question.

Not the question. I don't understand the statement. Could you read it? I understand. You said, read it one more time just on clear on his statement. He said, so everybody has different vices. Everybody has different things that they struggle with. that can go with people who struggle from alcohol,

people that struggle with drugs. You know, for example, my brother struggled with gambling. My vice has always come in the form of women. What does he mean my advice comes in the form? Vices, vice. One of his wife, too. Oh, I don't know, not just understood how that's said it.

One of his vices is in the form of women. Right. You can't control your hose, That ain't a problem. Listen, man. These niggas all got... Everybody got motherfucking vices with women. Like, yo, my nigga, what are you talking about?

You ain't Chris Brown, nigga. You don't fucking, he's fucking... Yo, like, you know, sex simple, nigga, you're a light-skinned nigga with money. And if you're letting them niggas take advantage of you, that's going to you. What's the fucking mean of your vices? That's the nigga right of your staff.

I don't get me wrong. This the nigger who's paying this ex-girl rent when he wasn't with us or shit like that? Yeah, that thing it was wilder. He was wild. What he's trying to say is he'd be tricking. That's what he said. He'd be like, yo, man, I got to start tricking.

That's all this. That's just a translation of what he said, yo, I'll be spending too much money on these holes, man. I got to stop. That's what I get from it. Hey, man, if you got it to spend, some people saying ain't trickling if you got it. Have fun, nigger.

Make sure you got something on this all over. That's all I can tell them. Not even mad at that. I mean, it's valid. I just feel like when we talk about these conversations, a lot of these, I want to say like, this is the problem, but like this is kind of what it always stirs back to them. So I'm just like, is anybody getting some help?

Is anybody getting some advice? I know it's life and we got to go through the journey of life and figure things out. But damn, like, I don't know. People out here struggling. All you got to do is come to me for advice for a shit like that. Hey, okay, I'm having a problem with these holes. What's the problem?

I got the answer for all that I tell you exactly what to do, man ain't no problem I tell you how to fix that shit quick-fasting and having to have you, man. Niggas be a vetting their own problems. That's what I think. Sometimes, yo, I can't.

Like murder, and I know I know you're not in this world anymore and I know Mike you want to stay away from this topic. But I'm just asking, right? When you hear a statement like this, And it's Michael Porter, Jr. And he'd be like, my vice, one of my vices is the woman and the former woman. What do you get out of that from when he says that?

Yeah, dude, does that make it easier? You're going to have more problems now that you said that publicly. They're like, word, he makes $72 million. He got advice for women. He's going to be at the club tonight. Yeah, what I'm saying is this. You got to think about your stat real quick. How old is he?

I'll check that. He's probably about 27, 28? 27. Okay, murder. What were the 21-year-old murder and told it next? I don't know where they got that. It ain't tricking if you got it from. What happened to getting it on the arm?

I didn't know you had to do all of this. I was just trained different. I had different role models, man. They're different, yeah, right. Iceberg. Dolemite, Snoop Dogg, Too Short, Bishop Don Juan. Yeah, man, I don't know, man. I don't know, man.

That's what I meant. Maybe that's how I'll start rephrasing my questions to you, man. I need the answer from a 21-year-old name. Vice Yeah, Miami Vice, man That's the only Bice we know

Yeah, I think I'll start rephrasing some of these questions From a different From a younger Mace's perspective, man Yeah, that's how you'll get the answers Well, all I can say is good luck to him Because I don't know at this point

And then Yeah, you just can't leave with your pocket, man. Your mother's supposed to tell you that, you know, and your father. Not saying he don't have a good parent, but you know, somebody's supposed to tell you, you can't leave with your pocket.

Yeah. But that's why... Oh, go ahead, Cam. Sorry, and then, you know, as much as we say shit about this particular situation, when I'm about to say, this is the example... Pardon? Examples just like this is the reason

why Jay and Daniels' mother is holding his hand everywhere he fucking go for shit just like this and this will be a new example and be like this is exactly why I'm up my son's ass force for a nigga who keep tricking on these bitches and got vices my son won't have a female vice that's what he won't have more and more and more for her go mom injure go mama daniels shout out mama daniels now last thing I want to say before you wrap I just think like I love these questions, too, because I think a lot of people have these questions, but probably feel like, oh, people can't relate or like this situation, but it's like, I know you guys have, you know, been through things in your life. You guys can give a special perspective and

then honest advice, too, because a lot of people have people in their corner just telling them what they want to hear, but y'all keep it straight up. And I think that that's more of what people need. So that's why I like these discussions and conversations. In addition to the takes, too, because it's like, this is real life and this is what people are going to. And a lot of people, as you can see, don't know what to do or don't know how to handle it. And this is why, I mean, when I say this is not disrespect to him, but he's going on these podcasts and talking about it because he's like, dang, this is what I'm going through. The whole time, you're like, this is fixable. We have a solution. This is that consultation y'all be talking about

throughout the year when we talk about these things, because there is a solution to it all. So like I said, shout out to him. Hope he figures it out because already the Nets are not even in a good boat right now to begin with anyways. So hopefully they figure. If I'm the parents, I'm highly disappointed. And one son can't stop gambling, one son can't stop tricking. What do we do wrong? Amen, same man. I don't know about that one.

But, uh... That's a fact. That's a fact. Yeah, man. I don't think he's trying to credit my facts. The niggins be... Go ahead, killer. Sorry, Mason.

His brother might be going to jail. Yeah He didn't even play no games The NBA started gambling This first day on the job He might be going to jail And now this thing is talking like, Trigger What do you mean?

You don't know about it See, nugs get mad at me Because I just be repeating what I heard And then when I said In the real way that niggas Can understand it, I don't know about that You do You know about it set

You told me about it That's what I'm giving you my opinion God murder Yeah, he could He could be investing his money into his body like LeBron instead of investing it into women. And the guy could be taking a risk

on getting a still instead of taking a risk on gambling. It's just focus. Focus. And what you decide to focus. Yeah, you could take that same energy and that same passion and redirect it and end up a great instead of spending your money on

chicks, spend your money on your body like LeBron. Instead of going for a gamble on a on a table go for the gamble on the steel maybe you'll be a better defender and you'll still be in the league just focus not only that yeah murder that's a great point maybe you would still be endeavoring maybe they would still have another championship besides the one you have more bids probably flocked or you after the championship she got quiet after that you know that shit go chicks like to be around winners man never like now what you mean you need for your main

join your side during your hover joint guy mike mike i'm sorry I'm just saying you're right, but you're right. You got to focus on the money. You always have honey. If you focus always on the honey, lose the money. That's honey you got going to leave too. You see what I'm saying. There you go, Statt.

You got every generation of advice. You focus on the money. They're going to bring the honey. You always had a honey. Can't argue with that. That was a great conversation, y'all. But that is all the time that we have for today. Mike, you know, it's always a pleasure to have you on the show.

It's always great seeing you guys, man. I can't wait to help talk to you guys Sunday night. There's a lot of things that we will be determining by Sunday night. And, Mace, I can't wait for that coach and chief game. I'm just letting you know. I can't wait for that game, Mace. Mike, I like it. I love it.

Mike, this is where we turn into the chiefs, Mike. Oh, okay. That's what I hope. You like that energy, pause. Yeah, I hope that's true because y'all been trying to turn into the chief for a while now. And, boy, I'm just looking at home with it. You know what I'm saying. Listen to the good old cowboy.

Listen to the good old cowboy. If that ain't a pot. Calling it the kettle. I don't know what it is. Look at that good old cowboy. Ain't winning the last two decades. My goodness. Two decades old.

That's what it looked like, killer right there. You can go into the three decades. All I know is right where we are right now. If the playoffs started today, we all going to be home. We all going to be home. So you two, them chiefs. right with them cowboys so you can't be talking about them cowboys so we're going to be right here home that's all i'm saying uh we're missing love company man yeah for sure yeah that's that misery

killer that's that misery you see it all along yeah yeah all right now you can make sure make sure i'm miserable sunday night by myself and they ain't got no company that's all i'm Thank y'all for watching. Thank y'all for watching. And as always, it is what it is.