IT IS WHAT IT IS - CAN LAMAR JACKSON SAVE THE RAVENS, THE PRESSURES OF BEING A BLACK QB & JORDAN TALKS LOAD MANAGEMENT!

Episode Date: October 30, 2025

On this episode, Michael Irvin the Football Dr joins the show to talk about the upcoming games this weekend. Lamar Jackson is back for the Ravens tonight vs. Miami, is Baltimore ready to go on a run with their franchise QB returning? Then, a surprising name on the NFL MVP list is New England Patriots’ QB Drake Maye, is he a sleeper MVP pick this season? Next, is it time to panic about Caleb Williams or is he going to be just fine? We pivot the conversation to hoops, is Wemby the best player in the NBA right now & Michael Jordan has some thoughts on Load Management (Pause) Dri Michael Irvin (0:00) Lamar Returns For Ravens Tonight Vs. Miami (5:30) Underdog Picks For Ravens Dolphins (24:45) Drake Maye For NFL MVP (28:45) Caleb Williams Issues (37:15) Wemby (52:00) Michael Jordan On Load Management (01:00:45) Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Sign up with promo code IIWII and play $5 to get $100 in bonus funds: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-itiswhatitis #UDpartner Follow the show and our hosts on social media: ⁠It Is What It Is⁠, ⁠Cam'Ron⁠, ⁠Ma$e⁠, and ⁠Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson⁠ , ⁠Producer Ayooo Nick⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's like, whoa. episode is presented by Underdog. If you're new to Underdog, today's the day, get $100 in bonus entries when you play just $5 with code. It is what it is. So we've been with Underdog for a minute, and trust me, y'all, this is the best offer they've ever dropped. You can make your picks right now in most states, including Georgia, Texas, and California,

just to name a few. Make sure y'all support the show, hit that subscribe button, lock in your bonus, and start playing today with code. It is what it is. I'm Treasure Wilson, a.k.a. Stat Baby, along with your host, Mace, and Kim, and today we are joined with our analyst, Michael Irvin. Mike was good. Killer, what's going on? What's good, Joe? How y'all doing? Mike, what's good, man?

Man, it's all good over here, man. You know, hey, I'm the doctor. Dr. Ear. Ear? I didn't even notice you had that shit on. Dr. Erd, dog, we're not like the film, man, coming on in here. I want to check, I need to check the heart rate of a lot of these nuggles on the Dallas Cowboys. I'm going to see if they got in up heart pumping over there, you know what I'm going to figure all of it out. Yo, Phil, I just know that you got to get Dr. out for you. Let me ask you a question now that I notice you got that on. You think Dr. Julius Irvin going to be okay with this?

Yeah, hey, you know what? Hey, boy. Hey, y'all know, I got so many places I can go with that. Dr. Julian Irvin spent his life, taking balls and putting him in holes and hoops, you know what I'm saying. I didn't be talking about Dr. Irving. Mike, come on now, Mike. I'm just saying, Mike, don't start that, Mike.

All I did was give you the real. That's what he did. He took that basketball. in the basketball goal. Yeah. How can you take it is how you take it? You know what I mean? But this doctor, this doctor, this doctor is more, you know,

I'm just here to try to tell you what's ailing the football team, the National Football League football, National Football League teams, and what they need, what medicine they need to get them better. And I saw some things this week that really. All right. I got a few questions. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so y'all got questions for the doc.

I'm here to answer. All right. I'm here to answer. Mike, I thought you was dressing up early for Halloween. I didn't even look at you like a doctor. I thought you was just capping or just dressing up for Halloween early, maybe an early Halloween party. How would you be the doctor of football now?

Well, listen, I have always been the doctor of football in your, Your eargate, when you listen to me speak these words, one after another, the way I do, you understand what I said. And not only that, because a lot of nigger hoofs and puffs, but they don't blow down no houses when you saw me go across the goal line and win championships after championship after championship. So you know, I'm not speaking from somebody heard, but that I know. You see what I'm saying. I'm going to be honest with you. I'm going to be honest with you, my opinion.

And Mike, let me say this. If it's anybody that should be qualified to be the doctor of football, I'm going to have to agree with you. It should be you. Mace, I don't know why you think we would just randomly work with an average nigga. I don't even know where this is coming from. But what I really think is going on to be totally honest with you, it was time to film.

And Mike was in the house playing doctor and patient. Niggins said, oh, shit, it's time to film. Turn the camera. And that's what I really think happened. I think the nigg was already in the house player, Dr. Patient. And they can say, oh, shit. I ain't realized what time was. That's my opinion, oh, it really the fuck out there.

I think that's what was going on. Mike, it's a role play shit right now on the crib, man. Now, I can go with that. I could go with that. That makes more sense. That makes way more sense. And Mike, Mike, I don't know what's crazy. Only those who know, only those, there's only a few people that will go to that, go to that place, you know.

And the only reason you go to that place is because you go to that place, you know what I'm saying. So I understand, you know, I understand. Okay, Dr. Mike, well, let's start with your prediction. So tonight, the Ravens will play the Dolphins, and Lamar Jackson is expected to make his return. Do you think there's any chance the dolphins can win? I do. I do. Now, this has been an interesting fight. And all day, we will talk about this because I don't think we qualify, quantify, and certainly don't verify the difference and level of quarterback play in the National Football League. And it becomes the determining factor for everything and anything, any team does when you really break down the level of quarterback play. And not just look at it or come on later and look at the numbers and say, oh, you must have done this, because that showed ahead with numbers never lie.

That's not true. That's not true. Maybe the numbers tell you what's real, but it gives you a fake perception of, what happened sometimes. I mean, it's just, so, so yeah, yeah. Look, I see what Tua did last week after having back-to-back games or throwing three interceptions.

And what I felt like he was learning to recalibrate himself, because he went from, he went to a quarterback that had one reliable source to start other playoff with, which was Tyreek Hill. And I'm a first, first, first option quarterback. So Tyreek Hill beat people 70, 80% of the time

that made me a very accurate quarterback. All I do is throw the ball to him. But when he starts saying, let's take away his first option and make him see his next option, he started struggling. I thought against Atlanta, he got back to saying, okay, I don't have a primary in Tyreek Hill. I'm just going to throw the options. If the first option did, and I'll get the second option,

not the other third option. And he threw the ball about eight or ten different receivers and Miami put points on the board and won a game that they needed to win. On the other side, you got Lamar Jackson going home, dog. He's been out and you know, no matter what, Baltimore, my dippy, my daddy. You want to be the king of Baltimore.

But that's just a big fish in a small. When you're from Miami, you want to be the king of Miami. You want to be a big fish in that big pond. So Lamar trying to come back off those hamstring injuries and get his team back in the hunt for a FC North title. That's going to be a great battle. I can't see Miami winning this game. I just can't see with all the things that Lamar bring, unless Lamar Jackson,

tries to go be hero and do everything and mess up everything and also get himself hurt. That's the only way Miami will win the game. Well, I must say, Mike, I must be a doctor as well because I said the same thing last week. So do I need to wear my doctor uniform? I'm not hating on you, Mike. I see your facial expressions and all of that. When you think of this game, you said exactly what I would say. Let me talk to him. May.

Let me say. Go on, Mike. It says a man's opinion. It's only as good as knowledge is based on this subject. No, you're not quite a doctor. What you are is my understudy. You learn this stuff from you right here with me. You're a great understudy.

Learning under a great doctor. That's what you are. I like that. Mike, I can't let you get. I can't let you get away with that, Mike. That's all right. That's crazy, Mike, so I'm your understudy. Okay, let's see what Cam got to say

because it seems like it happens this way sometime. They say where the student becomes a teacher. This is just a modern progression in today's time. So I'm really flattered. pause, that you would even come up with this same IQ that I'm already flowing in. So it lets me know that, you know, and you're giving me things. That's why I'm saying, that's how, that's how the teacher, the teacher never be that. That's why it says, hey, only a food should have themselves for a master as we

interchange information, we're going to get greater depth of each other and you show like you the faith you have shown in Patrick Mahomes it is coming to to fruition dude that's what I'm talking about here I don't care about none of these other jokers what I saw Patrick Mahomes do Monday night everybody else we just playing even me even me I'd be hoping when they said DAC is MVP you know that I'm just hoping that they mean like Patrick Mahome But Monday night, Pratch from the home, say, nigger, shut up. Let me show you really what LVP is.

And that was after two interceptions in the first half. There's levels to playing the quarterback position that honestly, even more so now than anything I'm learning, is mind-boggling to the success of your team. But I don't think anybody is doing what we saw Monday night, dude, nobody's talking about this enough. The way Patrick Mahon played Monday night, can't let me taste. All right, we come out the weekend and you talk, we're talking about Jordan Love, he had a hell of a game. Through for 360 yards, three touchdowns, going up against Ann Rogers. We all of them have fun with Daniel's son taking over and beating Mr. Me Yard.

We're snatching and saying his mind now, resting the people in Green Bay. He hit 20 straight completions. Anybody reading those numbers and reading that story and seeing these numbers, they said, God darn, he must have played his ass off. He's a bad dude. But all of those plays, he was standing in the pocket making throws. Yeah, he made the right reason. He made a good throw. But he delivered it to people that lift him up, 20 straight receptions, all of these things. Patrick Mahomes. This nigga pulled heaven out of hell. I mean, it would look like nothing was there. And then Glory just showed her. I said, this Jesus walking. It was a different thing.

Do you understand what I'm saying? Everybody was covered. Everybody, no play to be made. And somehow he makes another play. Dude, it made me think about that in the game. That played in Denver. And when I saw him in Philly pressure, and he threw those interceptions.

I said, Patchelman Holmes never, he's always under pressure, but he never feels pressure. And that's what, really, really, that that's what I'm going to need that Prescott to do and be some kind of way. I don't know what, how deep he got to dig. If he got to dig all the way, his big ass toe to fight it. But he got to get that right there. Hmm. I could go with that, Dr. Irvin. Killer, it's your though, since the doctors have spoken.

Mike, what kind of doctor are you? I'm an internal doctor, man. I'm thinking all this inside. I understand what I'm saying. Let me tell you, son, Mace has a PhD in psychology, because here's what happened. Mace never even gave a take. He said, Mace, they asked you about Miami

and the ravens mace never said to take all he did was say mike you ain't no doctor da da da da da let you go on a five and a half i timed it a five and a half minute and a half minute rent about nothing to do with the miami dolphins or the or the baltimore ravens then you got psyched into talking about the the chiefs this was none of this shit you're talking about for seven minutes had nothing to do with the topic mace psyched you out mace never had a take, you fell into it, thought he had to take. He never even commented on the game. All he said was, yo, you taking my take from last week.

He never said nothing about his opinion about the game tonight. Then you fell into it and started talking about the cheese. What the fuck is everybody doing up here? I just said to him just let you all two have a conversation because y'all talked about nothing about what the question was about. Anyway, let me address the question that was actually asked about tonight's game. Mesa certified PhD in psychology because he's 52 fake Mike out.

Mike, you lost your doctor and you're out. Whatever doctor you was. I'm the real job. Yeah, your psychology game tricked him out. You didn't even never give a take on the game. Anyway, back to the game. I think that Baltimore has a great chance of winning this game. I think I'm picking them to win because, look,

But they're looking at this division and it's not, you know, I talked about this early in the week. They're not, Pittsburgh can't trust Pittsburgh. You cannot trust the Bengals defense. Scoring 38 points are still losing. Baltimore is two, three games out and it's 10 games left. Yeah, they think they can still win the division. I don't think, I think if they didn't think they could win the division, not saying that Lamar Jackson isn't healthy, I just think that they're like, if he wasn't, even if he was healthy and they didn't think

they could win, they probably be like, you know, let's just sit out, man. Let's just sit out. But I think Mace mentioned it early in the week. This is a team to come back on. You don't want to do it against a tremendous, like a great, great defense. I think Lamar Jackson, this is a great test. But yes, Mike made this point earlier

before he got 52 faked out. The two had a great game last week. Nine different receivers, four receivers for over 20 yards, four touchdown, zero interceptions. So he's feeling good. And then, like Mike said earlier, you're not having the pressure of Tariq over your shoulder. You know, we all know these receivers. And, you know, every receiver always thinks they're open.

We've seen receivers throw tantrums on the sideline. Like I said, we had Antonio Davis's one our analyst one year. And he says, you know, I don't care who my quarterback is, Brett Robertsburg, Tom Brady. I'm 7-11. I'm always open. That was his exact statements. He's saying, so when niggas don't throw it to me, I don't know what the problem is.

I'm always open. And Tyree, hell, I don't know this for a fact. But he seems like one of our receivers, Orchocinco, Terrell Owens. You know, we've seen these niggas throw tantrums on the sidelines, great receivers. I don't understand them, kids. I'm like that.

Like they're all ways over. They know I'm the only nigga that was really always open. Yeah, man. And I ain't never seen throw no bunch of tantrums when I used to watch. You know, I may not in many cameras as they have now, but I ain't see a bunch of tantrums. I ain't saying you ain't never run down on Trey Aikman and let them know something.

But these things, we have an outright tantrums on the sidelines about being open. But I'm picking Baltimore to win this game because, like I said, I still think that Baltimore can win division and make a run to get in the playoffs. Cam, that was great. And I just thought like to get it, Trench, one less thing.

Cam, you said, I'm really picking Baltimore. I really think they got a chance to win the game. Now, I'm just being particular since you crunk up to the start. The question was, the question ultimately was, do you think Miami has a chance, any chance? It might have any chance. And you said, well, I think Baltimore has a real good chance to win it. No, no, no.

That doesn't work that way. The question was, did Miami have any chance? And you came in and flipped it. Like you gave us some great saying, I believe Baltimore got a chance. We already assumed Baltimore one. You understand what I'm saying. Now, I'll let Treasurer, move on with the show. Now I'll say this last thing, because you got a seven and a half minute and ran

had nothing to do with the game. That's like saying, you got heads of, you got heads of tails. And then, and I say tails, and then be like, yo, Heads won. Listen, bro, it's even one or the other. It isn't like it's four options, Mike. So if I say Baltimore is going to win, then that means I don't think Miami has a chance to win.

No, but you're right. We're going to get wordy up here. Let's get wordy. I'm with it. You're 100% correct. I didn't answer the question correctly, but remember you started this game. Let's get wordy.

So to answer the question correctly, every team has a chance. If that's the case, get mad to snap for answering the question. When you come on the field, you have a chance. You have a chance. Everybody has a chance. No, no, no, no, no, no. They ain't what you need to be saying when the Dallas Cowboys look bad.

I don't want to hear that now. Oh, no, oh, no. They make sense. No, no. Mace was talking about, we're going to stop talking about the Cowboys. Oh, why? They ain't got a chance. They're what you're saying.

Well, we ain't doing it, though. We ain't doing that, bro. That's exactly what he said. We're trying to excommunicate him. from this show. And now you're talking about everybody got a chance. So I'm just, all right. Yeah, you got a point, Mike.

I don't think Miami has a chance, even though most people coming on the field has a chance. Miami doesn't have a chance, you know. If they get, you know, they got your boy coming back. He's going to be, he's going to be probably in rare form against Miami. I believe if they're bringing them back, he's ready to play. And I wouldn't have brought him back. but I think this makes Miami have no chance.

If they have a lot of Jackson on the fill. Right. Yeah. You know, what I was trying to really say, is no way Lamar, remember, I know him. He's a proper, no, no, no. No way he is going to let come back to his city and shine.

Even if he wants for the help him. to help that he was going to play in this game that's what I was trying to say that's what makes me love him I he and I we'll cut from the same cloth we were born from the same dog not from Papineau yo Mike you're not from Poppinot no for a lot of you know bro I lived in Papineau for I live down the block it's right there they each other a pompano Brown with Dave we all right that together. No.

I can take me 10 minutes to walk to the Bronx, Mike. I'm not from the Bronx. I can walk to the Bronx in 10 minutes from where I live, man. I'm from Hollywood. And you can't put Dave with Broward, Mike. What are you doing, Mike? You know you can't do that. No, that's all Broward.

That's all proper. I was Broward. I was born in Broward and I ruled Dave. What you want me to say to that? See. See what I'm saying. I can't recognize that Mr. Dade County says about Browell County, and neither should date since I was born in Browen and I ruled Dave.

Mike, your credentials is doctor is on review right now. Right, right, right, right, right. Okay, that's what I'm saying. See, this. That's a real deal. I gotta give it to Mike. We can't even get on him about where he's from because Mace, we've been through so many cities with you.

Everybody claims they've been through so many cities with me. So Mike does get that one. But I will say, also to Cairns point earlier, this topic, however way you want to pull it, definitely had nothing to do with the Dallas Cowboys. And somehow we still got right back to a DAC MVP conversation. That's where you lost me. I don't know how we went from talking about Tua and Lamar Jackson being back

to then talking about Dak Prescott having a chance for MVP. That was not asked, but. Well, that's what I said is as we talk through these conversations of MVP, we got a clear picture of what one looks like Monday night. I see, and all of us, every one of us, not just all of us that is in me as us, everybody was saying that was the MVP.

I'm just trying to hit you. help you know everybody was not my name's wrong number say everybody was saying that prior to the last game everybody was saying that and rightfully so he has he had two or three touchdowns and four straight games with no interceptions those numbers sound great what I'm trying to give you guys high level understanding is the more I see numbers and the more I see things I understand now is so much required from the quarterback position that nobody plays it like Patrick and numbers can't fool me it has to be what I saw him do Monday night that's the difference yeah he's trying to he's trying to lure me into the conversation

by keep bringing Patrick Mahomes up with Dag Prescott we're not doing this Mike Mike I have a dude I have a dude I have a duty I have a duty I have a duty I have a duty I have a do it and I will hold it true. My duty, I must, I must, I must educate you best I can. You know, all my experience and my knowledge. You know what I mean? Hoping to edify you with sharing those experiences and knowledge and the best way I figured to do it is by entertaining you.

So I give it to you in a humorous way. way. But it is Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. It works. Trust me. I'm just telling you. Oh, my. Okay. Well, this MVP conversation will continue in just a second. First, we're going to get into our underdog picks because we're going to talk about these Ravens versus Dolphins game. So underdog has Derek Henry at 90 and a half rushing yards. Do you have them higher or lower Mace? Mm-hmm. I'm going to go higher. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I think they have, definitely have higher.

Lamar Jackson be back, should open it up for him, pause. So, yes, I'm going to go higher. Okay, Lamar Jackson is at 234 and a half passing yards. You have him higher, lower camp? I'm going to go lower. That's actually a lot for his game. I'm not saying he incapable of doing it, and Mike made a great point.

He's back at the crib, so I know he wants to show off. I'm going to go lower. I think he's going to be running the ball a little more than expected. I have it right underneath that. Okay. Mace. Yeah, I think he's actually going to be running a lot. So I think he's going to be getting a lot of yards past through running.

So I'm going to go lower. Okay. And two. I would reverse it. I'm just saying he can't get hurt again running. You know, I try to out throw to her. I'm just saying, but I'm going to get out of that. The whole thing about it, Mike, is this, right?

It's like with Lamar Jackson, I'm, I'm never going to disagree with you when it comes to no football knowledge unless you just try and solve my intelligence. like you do from time to time. But the thing about is, Deon told me that you're sometimes trying to solve my intelligence and he said, Cam, you're doing the right thing. But sometime what I say is this. And I think that Lamar Jackson has been more lucky than others,

him, Mike, Vic, and certain quarterbacks, and Lamar Jackson's, I think he's always been one. They just try to make him more of a running quarterback in the beginning, but I think his pocket passing is tremendous. But sometimes a person like Lamar Jackson, It's just his instinct. It's like RG3, as much as he was really good, and you know, his instinct caused him to get out

the league early, he's just getting caught too much. But sometime Lamar Jackson get that jitter and he don't see nothing, not saying he is a patient in the pocket. But if he sees are opening for eight, nine yards, I think he takes that just because of instinct, not thinking about injury, me personally. Okay.

And Cam, you're absolutely right. And over the last few years, the last two years, The last two years, I will say, is when he's changed. Now, I'm going to drop it and let it go here. Here's where he's gone too far to the other side. Those last two playoffs games, he stood in the pocket too damn long, and he waited till the plays broke down, and there was nothing left. And remember, I went to tell you,

yeah, so when we play regular season, you can play series to series, because the regular season, if the game doesn't work out, doesn't work out. You got the next game. If this play doesn't work out, your next series don't want. In the playoffs, you got to play play play. And those times when Lamar stayed in the pocket until the pocket closed down, he got to, he got to, that's what hurt him. Is those few plays that makes the difference between winning championships and not winning championships. And Patrick makes them because he says, even though I can see

that throw, I'm not going to risk it to third down, getting the first. down is more important and he'll run for two yards that's the one Lamar has to grab now okay and two is at 217 and a half passing yards do you have higher lower mace i got him higher i definitely do i think even even though um i'm not expecting them to win i'm expecting him to get um higher than that number yeah i agree Baltimore's defense this year There's just been below subpar, very disappointing for our organization, especially that was built off defense. So, yes, I think two will get hired in 217.

Okay. Make sure you all download the Underdog app and you can make your picks too. So, Mike, you brought up DAC. You also talked about Patrick Mahomes, but a new person has entered the MVP combo. So Drake May is actually third on the MVP betting board. Or do you think that he has what it takes to be that? Yes.

And this is why understanding where we're going, why even started the show, talking about this. Like, even this, Drake May is great, the Bo Nicks, great, all of that. We can see what young guys are doing and they're playing great. And they're right now, just managing a team is what you call great for them. You know what I mean? you know what i mean so yeah drake may is all nice because i i think drake may is behind guys like the jonathan taylor you know what i mean but but because he's a he plays the quarterback position

and because he's preceding tom brady and now the team is in a greater position that that anybody thought they would be in and and he's not making the mistakes Then we start saying, wow, you know, we got to look at him as being an MVP. But I'm telling you, we saw the difference between all these other stuff we'll talk about. And truly an MVP Monday nights watching Patrick Mahomes. Yes, Drake may look good. I'll sing a song and give it to him. Yeah, great job.

When you consider distance travel, how quickly he's been in the league, what he has to go through, and we're Coach Vrable, and they are right now. But y'all be gone, but does Igate? This season only Patrick Wellhomes. I think he got something. I think it's something there, but I'm not quite sure that we're really to give it MVP status, but he's definitely looking well in these first eight games.

I think the only person that has been, able to do this was um who am i thinking about man i think it was um i wrote it down drew breeze drew breeze was the only one that had this kind of completion only person now you think he's in a great list of other quarterbacks when it comes to tom brady when it comes to peyton manning people that have had 200 plus yards as plus as well as a hundred plus you know these plays the where he's doing this over and over for seven consecutive games. And I think that's what's starting to get him in that conversation. But I don't think I'm ready to say he's MVP.

Even though he's playing well on this New England team, I think they've been behind the radar so long without Tom Brady being there that they're happy to see this. But I'm not ready to give him MVP status yet. I'm just not ready to do that. You know, I ain't 300 plus, y'all. But come on now. That's what I'm saying.

It's distance travel. only been in a short distance, but he's not doing things to destroy his team. So he said, oh, that's great stuff. But it doesn't mean it has to be MVP just because the position is that value. I think it's the 100 plus rating, though, the 100 plus rating along with the 200 yards is that combination is giving people MVP vibes or so. But I think that I can quickly change. we're saying the same thing base

we're saying the same thing you know what I mean and I'm saying I'm saying if Padgman Holmes do that deliver that or even Dak Prescott then we don't consider that MVP because two and you come on stop playing

we don't consider MVP but because he's so young we're amazed at this quick turn and that's to give him props but it's just so much more than that to play the position And we get to see the master player in Patrick Mahomes, the new 2.0 Tom Brady, all of that.

So, yeah, I'm just saying we need to measure it correctly. If you think about it, if only Tom Brady been able to do this, Aaron Rogers, Patrick Mahom and now himself, you know, he's in that first five quarterbacks that's been able to do that. And all of these guys are Hall of Fame. So I can see how they're trying to put that together. Right, right, right. Okay. I'm not really going to comment on that. What I want to say is this, is that I think,

and I know it's been discussed before, that I don't think it should be an MVP for quarterbacks. I think it should be quarterback at a year. Because every year is a fucking quarterback to get MVP. It hasn't been an MVP outside of the quarterback since 2012 since Adrian Peterson was the MVP. And we're not saying that the quarterback isn't the most valuable

position in all of sports. But come on, man. It's a bunch of other niggas that play defense, this running back corner. It's so many different positions in football that people play great. And year after year, it's the same candidates, the same Patrick Mahomes,

the same Josh Allen, same Lamar Jackson. This year's Drake Mayer thing because he's white and all right. Listen, man, everybody, I'm tired of it already being a fucking quarterback. It should be quarterback of the year, and it should be MVP. That's my personal opinion. Like last year, of course, Josh Allen played absolutely out his mind, but there's no reason

what Saquan Barkley did that he shouldn't have been a co- MVP or something. I don't know what you could give them, but that's just my personal opinion. Me, y'all got to have the argument whether Drake May should be third right now in the race or not. That's not really my argument. I'm just tired of every year other players, Miles Garrett, all these players that put their heart and soul out there, no, they're not going to win MVP because it's going to go to a quarterback.

So I think it's been talking about before. Yeah, I mean, I know it's been talking about before. You gave us the right side. You gave us the side, you know, you're saying it with same thing. We're saying we're saying the same thing. You're saying it's ridiculous. How can say Juan Barkley, now I get it. And he got it with 2,000 yards, something that's rarely done.

and Drake May has thrown for 200 yards and a few couple games and we're going to put him in that race already. We're saying the same thing. It's ridiculous. No, no, Mike. And we want to give him credit for the work he's done,

but it don't deserve to be MVP yet. Right. Mike, we're not all saying the same thing. I'm saying I understand where they're coming from because of the company he's in. I think when you think about he's having to some people he's having a greatest downfield performance of any quarterback since since what about 1999 and 2025 yeah but you're dealing the rest but the rest of you're

dealing in hope not facts the rest of it is what you hope him to be only because what he has done you don't know that you don't know facts on it so so so we grab no i'm giving you a fact And we give them all of that. I'm giving you the facts. But I'm saying, I'm talking about the facts of what he's going to do. Yeah, he's done that for five games. He put up $200 five games. Let's see what he does.

And you just said it yourself, you got to win championships. Let's go do some of that. Let's see you win other games instead of just putting the street together. There's a difference between great and greatness. Great says ideas something. and good in a short period of time. Greatness says I did it over a long period of time. He's been playing great, but we can't give him greatness.

We can't give him greatness. That's all I'm saying. I like that, Mike. I like that, Mike. You may have just made the booklet of Title Town. So great versus greatness. I like that. That was really good, Mike.

That was really good. I got to get you some credit right there. Not ready to say Dr. Mike yet, but Michael, that's good. You're up to Michael now. You've left Mike. Okay. So we've got one more football topic before we switch gears to basketball. So Nick Wright and Colin Coward debated a headline saying Caleb Williams is fine, just relax.

So Mike, do you think Caleb Williams is just fine? Or do you think there's not enough urgency or expectations for him to step up his game compared to his other 24? first round quarterback peers no no i think more so now than any we understand that what we have to do is mitigate one and count this one mitigate that first year and count this year as almost his rookie year and getting surreal too lich to play in the NFL the the the time-taker has been sped up so quickly and we already want to determine where someone is after 16 17 games of his career oh oh you're a bus we see where you gotta be what we're 17 plus seven you know eight games and we're trying to determine where he just got the proper teaching so scrap all that he knew in that first year let it go and read them now as a rookie this year because he has true too lich and yeah come on man let's let's chill out you've seen some great games out of Caleb Williams and you've seen some not so

great games that's what growth is called that's you're learning what you can and cannot do in a real offensive system with a real game plan he's learning how to dissect and direct and attacked on defenses for the first time this year. Trust me, last year was a throwaway year. And then they threw us, that defensive coordinator, that's about to make us throw away this year. I'm not even going to go that deep. You're going to call this a throwaway year.

Stack, can you give me the question again? Because I don't know where Mike is right now. The first year was this throwaway. This is his first learning year of how to become a, pro. Let's give him time to grow. Right now, that first year with even Fuz and all of them, man, stop playing. Oh, well, you know, what he had going over there? That was nothing. That was a waste of time for him. He's learning now. And most learning processes in order to make the progresses, it's going to be, you did this, did this, you did this, you did this. And you learned

You can't do those things and you stop doing them and you persistently do well. That's just how it goes. This is his first year. And then, Mike, Mike, this is crazy stat. Mike talks more like a pimp than he talks like a doctor, right? He rhymes all of his words when he's speaking. He gives you this breakdown progression. I told you all the internal bond.

And we're just talking about Caleb Williams. Right. Right. You know what I'm saying. Hey, an internal darkness, break it down. Intimacy. Intimacy says, get into me. And see, intimacy.

Get into me and see, doc. You understand what a... Let me stop. I'm just joking around. Let me stop. Is that? But when it comes to Kayla Williams, Kim, call him collab.

Collab is exactly what this is becoming. A collaboration. And when you think of Chicago, this was the word. team, I think, for him to get selected by because this is a team that has always gotten rid of their quarterbacks quickly. You know, their history says this. They don't have patience. And if you keep Caleb Williams around and you're going to have to keep a nucleus around him that could be the same in order for him to grow. And I think right now it's going bad. I don't think it's

going like they're miserable, but they're definitely concerned. If I'm watching this, you, it's like watching a kid, you know if they're progressing the way they should. Like, I'm not ready to throw them away, but I'm definitely paying attention to this close with like kid gloves, like making sure you say the right things to him, keep his levels high, keep them confident, so you can get the best thing out of them.

But right now, I think there's room to be concerned. I just think that, that the media picks and choose what they want to talk about. Just my personal opinion. Like, why every week we talk about fucking Caleb Williams and the Chicago Bears, like the Chicago Bears done something since 1985 that we should be impressed with? It makes me a great point.

They get rid of the quarterback. They give them about two, three years, and they get rid of them. I'm not saying they're going to do that with Caleb Williams, but it's just not a, why is this a topic? Nobody's, you know, it's good. I'm not saying this is that it should be, No, not even talking about how bad Cam Ward is playing. I'm a Cam Ward fit.

He's not talking about Dylan Gabriel, what's going on in Cleveland. Why did we so focus on a second-year quarterback what he's doing in Chicago? Because Chicago's also a big media city. But to me, it's like the Bears' organization should not be getting this much attention. We know why the Cowboys get this much attention. We know what goes on. It's a medium machine down there in Jerry's World. Why to fuck every week or every other week or every two, three weeks?

We're talking about Caleb Williams. We know he's the number one pick. We know what he did at USC. We know that he wears his fingernails polished. You know, he has five non-touchdows, four interceptions, under 60% QBR. Why is this a topic? We're not putting, and I'm not trying to shine no light on Cam Ward,

because I know it's not very good down there in Tennessee. I'm not trying to shine light on on Dylan Gabriel, but he's not playing well in Cleveland. You know, we know who's next up. But I'm just really tired. of talking about Caleb Williams, because I don't really understand why. Because he likes skin.

I don't, I don't get it. I don't understand why this is a topic. We got to, we, I don't really have too much to support. Well, yeah, Mike, tell me why. And I will, I will try to play like a doctor and with my scalpel here, with my scalpel. Carefully. Carefully.

Carefully with my statement where I only take out that was bad and leave that was good. I want you to break down what you just said. Dylan Gabriel, third round pick. You keep saying, you ask, why do we put such a focus on Caleb Williams? And you're right, have given a past, but that past will come due soon on Cam Ward. It's because of the struggle it is taken to get to that position and the fight they ain't even over to still say you deserve that position that's a black man that quarterback getting drafted first overall right or wrong you got to show up you got to glow up or they're going to bring it to your attention that you did not and yet cam ward has had a bit of a pass

Pursuit her later, don't mean the rhyme. Like May said, they'll get on his ass. You know what I'm saying? You're going to come around. Because you were a brother, and you took a lot of that money that for the first figure in this rap. You ain't going to get off without being, being, answering that bell.

This, I guarantee. Yeah, I just want to add to that just super quick. And I think one of the other big things is, like, when we're also comparing his draft class, even how, like, we're talking about Drake May being an MVP conversations and even like Jane and Daniels, the really good first year that he had. I mean, unfortunately, he had an injury,

which kind of set things back. But it's just like, I think Caleb Williams actually deserves more of this pressure on him because it's like for him being the first overall pick, and I feel like we've just seen a lot of this. I just think that the expectations were higher and they should be. and we just haven't got from him what we've wanted to see, which is why unfortunately

we keep kind of pinpointing back to his nails because it's like... I'll just be playing with that shit, but you got to see basketball, football is not basketball. Football, they guarantee, see basketball is lottery. Football guarantee the worst team is getting the first pick.

There's no if-ins or buts about it. The worst team, not the worst player, the worst team. So that means if you're the worst, worst team that it's not just a quarterback issue. It's a probably defensive issue, special team is a receiver issue, offensive line defense. It's a lot of things to be the worst coaching, coaching,

all of that shit, all that. You're not just being the worst team in the NFL by accident. So when you're having a bad season as a quarterback, Ken Ward or Caleb Williams or whoever, it's not going to happen overnight because you get need more pieces. to build up your team. So I get the, and Mike, you made a great point.

You're black, your number one pick, you're the number one position and the most important position in sports. I totally agree. But God did. What else you want niggas to do? When you can't pass to yourself. You can't protect yourself

on the offensive line. You can't go out there and play defense. You're the worst team, and you got the number one pick for a reason. And when you're the worst of 30 people, that's even worse. It's not like a worst team and you only got five players

on the floor. You know, 30 to have the worst 30 is crazy because that's a lot of people on that team. Right, but take ye this. The last thing I said, only a fool should have themselves for a master. So as you get on Caleb Williams and think about the bust that he is,

think on this now. Also learn from the likes of the Cleveland Browns and how they're still struggling while Baker Mayfield is tearing it up in Tampa. Are we going to give up on this dude early like Cleveland

did on Baker and they're still hustling, bustling, trying to find a quarterback, and Baker has been down the NNVP conversation which make them look even dumber than they were before. Before you

pull out too fast, calls. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was wow, Mike. That's a good one. That's a great point. That's an absolute great point. And to that point, Mike, as much as people are

excited about Jackson Dart, you can look and sit here and think about Indiana Jones down there in Indianapolis. Like you said, it's still halfway through the season, but it's looking like, damn, you don't let that nigga go. So I get what you're saying. might say that point yeah i i think i think when you're what you guys are talking about is great but one of the transitions that i'm seeing mike as an expert is that these people who end up playing better they end up playing better either in another smaller market or they end up playing

better in a smaller market so when you talk about indiana jones he's going from a great market to smaller market you rarely see people go from a smaller market struggling to a big marketing struck i mean and do well so when you talk about cala williams this chicago may be a a city that's too big for him and too big for his personality he may have to find one of those smaller markets so i think when you're talking about being a doctor mike you got to be that precise in the things that you're cutting up i don't give a fuck what city you in if you were the worst team in california and in ohio in massachusetts in the philippines you're the worst team of like you said mason it's 53 niggas on one team so it's 53 niggas on one team you're the

worst team so i get what you're just saying to i'm not disagreeing it'd be pressure on certain niggins and certain markets, and that's a super duper fact. But the worst team is the worst team. It's not one player, like even if you get, for instance, you don't get quarterback, and I know it's a lot of pressure being quarterback. You get the number one player next year

and he'd be a defensive lineman. Is he going to have 92 sacks to make y'all win the Super Bowl next year? Pause. Right, right, right. It's not going to happen for the worst team overnight, even though I do agree with you saying, big cities have pressure on them. But you know how basketball?

Like, for instance, same thing with basketball. You sit there and be like, how the fuck did Dallas get the number one pick? Because Dallas was in the playoffs last year, or just missed the playoffs part of it. But the lottery and the balls pours and all that other shit to where it's a possibility that not the worst team gets the number one pick. Football, that's just the way it goes. Worst team get the first pick. second worst team get the second pick

third worst team you get the third pick it's just that's just the way it goes even though I'm not disagreeing what makes sad with the pressure in certain markets but I don't give it fuck with city you're the worst team it's not going to take one player to turn you all around okay so

wemby he's been having crazy dominant performances we will discuss after the break welcome back. Welcome back. So from this season, we've seen a lot of dominant performances, one in particular, Wembe. So Mike, I'll let you go first. do you think Wemby is the best player in the NBA right now so far? Barton, incredible, insane, whatever word you can use to describe and understand. Everybody right now, we are absolutely living in a moment in time. This is it.

This is the Steph Curry, LeBron, James, Wilts Chamberlitt, all mixed off. been one. It's mind-boggling. Why? Really? The watch, because we all know, and we all watch. And we say, that's supposed to be goofy. That's supposed to work. That's supposed to be, that boss won't be hitting off your foot. Everything, man. You don't supposed to be looking like that. That's scary. That's scary. And just think about this is what's coming. He may be the first, But someone will come out there. I mean, and this, you know, everybody would be trying to talk about all the other dudes, man. This dude is different.

It's different, man. He goes behind his back and go past the three. And then he protects the rim, not like a five, but like a six of the seven. You can't get no one here. It's, yeah. It's amazing that we have Show Hale Tunning on. On the baseball field, at the same time, we have Victor Wombayama on the basketball court. And in this country, we talk about the guys that both play both ways are both ends of the court,

pause, all that, and they know you have to. But you know what I'm saying when I said, God to play both ways. That's a real pause. But really, the guy that plays that offense, the guy that plays defense, the guy that can do with and the guy that can do what Show Hay is doing in the World Series right now. Insane, amazing. Definitely the best player in the NBA right now. And the Underfeated Spurs are telling you that.

Yeah, I think when it comes to Victor Wimbielamba, that he's a lifetime, he's a lifetime, like, talent. Not a once in a lifetime, a lifetime talent. I mean, I will put him above even the people that are once in a lifetime because if he could stay healthy, he could really be a lifetime talent. And from the aspect of when people think of him, I think he's the chemistry and the experiment going well, Paul's, because for years, they've been teaching kids that are really tall to dribble the ball. and the A-U circuit everywhere. Like, you could be this, this once-in-a-lifetime. And it never worked like this.

We saw it with, we saw it with, with, um, bow ball. We saw it with a few people, even, even Chet was like this in high school. Not exactly, but, you know, they were saying, this guy is, he's 6-11, he could dribble the ball. And then somebody comes around 7-4, got the foot coordination, not not getting hurt in the lower body you know early in his career consistently and and this is

and one thing i think that people are missing when it come to victor is that he's not only having a an amazing year like an all-star MVP type of year on offense so far but he's having the same thing on defense he's having a defensive play of the year um type of year because he's he's up there in like two stills anybody that had two stills iverson mukie blaylock people of that caliber you would say that they were great defenders he got two he got two stills average but he also got five blocks that's matumbo that's um you know the dream that's that's david robinson so you you're getting the best of every single thing pause that came from other Hall of Fame players all in one player in a 7-4 frame.

So I would say that, you know, if he stays healthy, he could shatter the records of even the people we think are the greatest players that ever played this game. He could just rewrite his three. Yeah, to be honest, last year he was leading for defensive player the year before he got hurt. He was going to get defensive player the year last year before he got hurt or the blood clot situation

and that's basically what it boils down to. If he could stay healthy, healthy and stay on the floor, then we're going to see something that we've been, haven't seen a while. Both of you guys articulated it very well. And you got to think about this, right? How we're praising Wembe and the spurs

of my team. And not saying that to be funny or anything, I'm just saying, I'm scared because I usually, Bigman, have a history of getting hurt and I don't want him, you know, I don't want him to get hurt. So when you sit here and think about this, you're like, just stay healthy. Think about what you guys are saying, right? And myself included, they play four games and we're calling, this is how amazing of a four

games it has been to where, to where we're saying. What we saw last year. Yeah, yeah. What we saw last year already. Absolutely, because of what we saw last year, then we didn't get to finish, he didn't get to finish the season. Right. But I'm talking about, we're not even basing last year.

We're basing. Our conversation right now is like, because you're almost forgetting what he's done last year because, you know, the Spurs wasn't that good. They wasn't winning games. Right now, the 4-0. But you told the defensive side last year. So we saw greatness on the defense.

But to be a mega super mug, mug star, you can't just be a defensive star. Do you got to be an officer, a mega, a star? And now to see this dude that we saw, oh, he can easily be defensive than the people. Mike, Mike. Mike. Mike, Mike.

I was telling Mace earlier this week, it's a thing called stepping on people's lines when they're talking. You're a habitual line step. I was on that show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're a habitual line step on my. You and Mace talk for nine minutes.

I sit here and wait my turn and you habitually step on my lines consistently. Right. You said something to come on the bone, right? Because he's throwing it right away. So it's all good, Mike. I just thought I pointed out to you. But, Jess, Mike, yeah, 100% correct.

Defensively, the thing about it is Mace and you both are 100% correct. For our defense's concern, you know what really pointed out, you know, we're seeing him score, we're seeing him shoot the three, we're seeing him black shots. When he was in that mix and somebody reached and he threw it to his legs, the next person reached, he threw it on his back, and then double would throw it on his back. When I seen Jamal Crawford

underneath the NBA post on Instagram, and he's like, God damn. Jamal Crawford, dribbling-wise, is probably top five, if not top four, three, ever. You know, we're not going to see him discredit, Ivers and all, and of course, Kyrie and everything. But Jamal Crawford, in-game dribbling, is nothing to be of short of amazing.

And when he gave a comment about Winby's dribbling, and I'm looking at it. And Mike, you made a good point. It's supposed to look doofy. It's not supposed to look that smooth. You know what I'm saying? It looks really, really smooth. And just looking at his numbers real quick,

and I'll end it with this. Through the first four games, I don't sure if they played the fifth game, he's averaging 31 points, 13.8 rebounds, two and a half assists, shooting on 60% from the field. Yes, right now, through four games, five games, he's the best player in the NBA.

But it's two people I can't. wait to see him play against and then I'll make a final decision is the greek freak and joker i would love to see those two games and it's sad that we're only going to get two games between him and the greek freak because you know easter conference or ruster conference but i want to see what the joker and the greek freak do when they play it with me definitely must see tv and then last one before we wrap so michael jordan gave his take on load management he said it shouldn't be needed first and foremost. You know, I never wanted to miss a game because it was an opportunity to prove. It was something that I felt like the fans are there that watch me play. I want to impress that

guy way up on top who probably worked his butt off to get a ticket or to get money to buy the ticket. And then he also recalled twisting an ankle early in his career and being asked to go sit down. He declined saying that in his mind he needed to be on the floor to show what he was capable of and always felt the need to never let his teammates down. So Mike, what do you think it's changed in players today, and then what's your take on what Michael Jordan had to say? That's what we love most of Michael Jordan. We want the best, to want to be the best, and work hard and do anything for that title and be about what we think he is. And that's what Michael Jordan is. You know, I was like that. I'm like that. You know, I come from there

where it's going to be I'm going to work myself to death I can't go anymore and I'm going to rest for a minute and go do it again but the truth is these dudes have come up with scientific readings now

and they can read when your body has gone too far you know who I mean who am I to say don't use this technology I'm a dummy

I thought the whole idea of playing a game at the highest level, your body is going to go past the point it is custom to be a custom to being. So you have to prepare for that. But they say don't go past that. You see what I mean? I figure the way I wanted to train, if I over train, I'll be ready when that time come.

They train nowadays. We're only trained where the body can take. we won't over-training the body but to win championships is going to take an over-straining. So I understand what Michael George is talking about. You know, we don't have the

fight that we used to have. But these guys are telling you it's backed by sight. So they're doing the right thing for their body and their family and their money. Yeah, I think Mike you had some really interesting points. You said you're a dummy, then you're a doctor, but I don't really want to touch on that.

We'll deal with that pause another day. You can be both at the same time. Either on the side of good or what do you say, on the side of great or the side of greatness. I think that's the statement to bring back right here, that when you talk about people and Michael Jordan is talking about greatness and he got to understand that it's not just the body, Mike. is pause. It's the mindset that has been shifted due to technology and due to all of these philosophies and all of these new experts. You know, this is a part of the issue. People are now training that have never done anything, have no insight. And you don't know that you don't know.

And that's one of the real powerful things about ignorance. Sometimes you don't know, you don't know. And I think that's the worst type of ignorance is when you don't know, but you don't know, you don't know, right? So you think that you're doing what's right until you get to the championship or until you get to the finals or you get to this place. And you recognize, I don't have enough gas to take this team where it's supposed to go. And you recognize everything you did that year was to nothing because it's not, it never prepared you for where you thought you was trying. to go. And I think that's what's going on. That's what Michael Jordan is speaking to that he was trained in the fire. I think that's the only way to get pure gold. You can only get get pure

goal through the fire and people are trying to come up with new ways to generate goal. And go must be dig for a pause and go must be tried in the fire. That's how that's how we grew up. You got to put them through the fire to know what it really is. And I think when he's talking about, this low management is like you're saying you can get go without fire you can get go without digging and that's still yet to be seen well you know mace is right camera let me cut off but what he's right what he's saying what you're saying is where it's coming up with technology that tells us that the strain of the body how far the body can go but our experience and and and and And what we've seen will tell us what requires for you to win a championship is pushing your body past the point that you can stand.

But if you're only going by the technology that tells you to go to your body's limit, then you'll never become a champion. Because when you get the championship moments, your body is out because you only worked it to that limit. That's what you're saying. That's what I'm saying. And that's exactly what Michael Jordan is saying. So stop telling me about all of this technology until you can tell me about what it takes to get a ring. You keep telling me about technology.

Tell me about getting rings. I'm from the same area you guys are from 100%. Pardon me. And I totally agree with what Michael Jordan is saying. But I'm just going to give you the other side of the equation, right? And what's sitting there, I've seen something about this yesterday. So from the 2000s, it's 28 players left from the 2000s, starting with LeBron James in 2023, right?

Michael Jordan played 15 seasons towards the end. We're not going to give the wizard Michael Jordan. We're not going to do that to him. We're going to give him the Bulls Michael Jordan. So we give him a good 13 good seasons where he played phenomenal top. level, you couldn't act for more. And you're right, you guys, you look at the championships, you look at the tenacity, look at the grit and everything else.

But when you're a modern day player, you sit there and say, but Mike only played 13 seasons. And to me, it's nobody better than Mike. And I don't want you to take what I'm saying the wrong way. I'm just giving you how they may look at it, because I agree with you guys. But when you look at a person like LeBron James and who's in his 22nd season, he doesn't look like he's going to slow down. LeBron James was second team all NBA last year.

22 seasons in. You're looking at Kevin Durant who's in his 18th or 19th season. 18th season, pardon me. Doesn't look like we don't know when we're going to stop seeing Kevin Durant. You're looking at Steph Curry who's in his 17th, 18th season.

He looks phenomenal. You're looking at James Harden who's in his 18th season. still a third team all-MBA. Everybody I'm naming is all-team NBA. So that means they're part of the top 15 players. And some of that may look, players may look at that and attribute it to load management. Be like, yo, Mike was the goat and all that,

but he ain't played for 15, 16, 17 years. You know, you're giving 15 years because of the Wizards as well. But these niggers, LeBron, you know, if he wants to retire, he could, but if he doesn't, you sit there and say, why would he retire when he's still top 10 NBA player? Kevin Durant, top 10 in my brain, but you know he made 13. You're looking at what James Harton did last year.

We still was stuff Curry did, still 13 all NBA. And it's a list of the players that I had went down that's still here. You know, Chris Paul, this is last year. He's in his 20th season. We know that's not the Chris Paul that we used to get. Kyle Lowry is still playing.

Russell Westbrook. He's in his... That's the hell of point, dog. No, listen, Russell Wilson. Russell Russbrook is in this 17th season. Gallinari's in the 17th season. DeMar de Rosen, this is his 16th season.

I'm just saying there's people who could attribute that, people that could contribute that to load management and say, as good as Michael Jordan was, as good as Charles Barkley was, as good as Ataya Zamas was, nothing played more than 13 seasons, 14 seasons. Latea Thomas, we love Isaiah Thomas. He played 13 season. We love Charles Barkley.

We see Lavi Bird back give out after 12 season. So some of this may be attributed to people's mentality of load management, even though I do agree with you guys say. I'm just giving you the other side of the question. Any information from the technology? Wait, wait, wait. Let me line step. Mike, let me line step.

Mike, let me line step you one time. What's up? Go ahead. What are you got? Yeah. I think I think this. think it's like i said it's a different mindset everybody we named is one of those niggas that's that's the difference between being one of those niggas and being that actual nigger you know what i'm

saying that's the different of the mindset some people are okay with coming in the room and you're one of the boys i think all of us what we all have in common is when we come in the room we want to be that nigger. I don't want to be one of the niggas. That's why I don't be with them niggas. I don't want to be one of the niggas. I want to be that guy. Yeah, but see, Mace's a different. Sorry, Mace. Yeah.

No, what I'm saying is during the last 10th is LeBron's been a part of load management, pause. Kevin Durant's been a part of load management. Stuff Curry's been a part of load management. James Harden has been a part of load. All these players that are named is definitely them niggas, I agree.

They've all been a part of load management. there, these nigs, not saying that they, I'm not accusing them of being Ben Simmons. I'm not doing that. But, yeah, but they're taking seven, eight games off, nine games off because they're saying, this, the technology that Mike was speaking to,

this says that your body doesn't need to play. This doesn't say, and let's be totally honest with you. That's why Shay end up beating them, niggas. Whatever the reason is, he's a part of load management. I mean, there is nobody who takes off. no more from low manager in this ever.

And to be honest with you, my personal opinion, is Greg Popovits started that shit. When he started sending niggas out on Christmas, talking about, yo, I remember Greg Popovic said, why isn't Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Man, Genobi, playing in the Christmas game? The nigga, you know how you give the report or injury report?

The nigger wrote, because they old. Adam Silver, God bless the day. David Stern fined a nigga $250,000. Are you playing games on our Christmas views? You know damn well that Christmas NBA games is important. They're great popular score right down because they owe. He didn't even say no foot and none of that shit. So like I said, murder, I'm not disagreeing with y'all niggas at all.

I'm just saying even the champions and the niggas that we look like that, they are sitting there saying that they're part of it. Because CJ McCullough, and this is the last thing I'll say, I let Mike and murder finish, whatever you have to say. This will be the last thing. C.J. McCuller, who's part of the player, Association. I actually see Lamar first takes out to see Renee Smith. And he's part of vice president or president of play association. And he was saying that the owners, general managers,

and coaches make you sit out games, even if you don't want to sit out, because they want to protect their $200 million, $300 million investment. So PJ Tucker was talking about Thompson and Damien Lillard didn't want to sit out for games. And it wasn't a choice. They said you're going to sit out because technology says and science says that you need to sit out, even though they want to sit out. And he was saying, this is the head of the Players Association. So sometimes even the players want to play,

but the general managers and the owners and the coaches are saying, I need to protect my investment, which I don't, like I said, I don't want you guys to think I'm disagreeing with you. I'm just telling you what's going on. I'm totally in agreement with what you guys are saying. So I just ended with it. And what you just said is what,

talking about like okay we can be i could we got that i want a dog that want to go bark every bite every bark every fight you know what i mean but but the reality is that all of its load management in the nfl there's a reason we only play one game a week your body can't take two three so they making sure okay you'll be dead and we have you hit each other three like this so so that that they're low managing for us but they're trying to sneak it in that's why they do a thursday night game and then you know they're trying to they're trying to push the load management but but i understand what you're saying when you're talking longevity and listening to the body so you can play longer all those guys there's a great point to bring up all those guys and at the level at which they're

playing this late in their career is impressive for sure okay in the comments amylo give us to y'all take on load management. But that is all the time that we have for today. Dr. Mike, it was a pleasure to have you on the show. Yeah. Anytime Dr. Betta, just remember. Dr. Bata.

I will get into you and see and fix you right away. That's Dr. What? What? Pulse. Yes. That was.

I should never time. Thank y'all for watching. And as always, it is what it is. It'll drive.