IT IS WHAT IT IS - CAN YOU BE A TOUGH COACH DURING THE SOCIAL MEDIA ERA & MA$E BREAKS DOWN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A RAP LEGEND & ICON!

Episode Date: April 2, 2026

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Okay, we're back at it. Welcome back to What It Is What It is. I'm Treasure Wilson, aka Stat Baby, along with your host, Mace, and Cam. And today, we are joining with our analyst, Trista. Killer, what's good? Trista, how are you doing? You back, huh? I'm back.

Your lineup, see you got a new fresh haircut, Mace, you're looking great. You always had a good taste. You know? You know, Trish, you know what I realized? He just doesn't know how to say thank you. Like, thanks? I appreciate it. You know, we just won an award.

I was trying to wait, but it doesn't get here until Monday, so I just let the cat out the bag is that. You know, we won an award the other day for the best podcast. and he just talked about how then passing the basketball or at the speech. This is his speech. He didn't thank his wife.

He didn't thank his kids. Thank God. No, he said thanks to God. He says, I didn't pass him the border. I dissed him and rap. Now I finally listening. And we won. And we won.

But he doesn't know I tracked down the basketball that I didn't pass him. Ha ha. I'll be here next week. I'm going to give him the ball. I'm glad to you. I'm going to pass it back. This was his acceptance speech.

I don't know if you... I'm going to get a clip of that so we can play it on the show. You're going to get a clip of that so we can play it on the show. You know, he didn't pass me the ball in the guard, and then he hated on me when I was rapping. Now he's listening. This is a verbatim speech. Thank you.

Thanks. No, the ball is crazy. I'll try down the ball that'll be here next week. You can have it. Pass it to you right on the show. I'm mad that they can't get here this week. Yeah, that'll be crazy. What's wild is he said something like that on the show, too,

and I thought he had that off the cuff. No, but he actually said that. at the award ceremony. It never crossed my mind that he got up on stage and actually uttered those words. I was like, oh, Mace is clowning. Okay, Cam's not here. He just said,

I guess when I get the ball is over. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to get the ball at beer. Officially. This man was there with his family. This is what he chose to say. So Harlem niggas, man. It's Harlem niggas for you right there. I see that shit.

I said, I don't know about Jacksonville. The nigga really might be from home. Meets can't ever say thank you. It don't matter where they are. So I'm two seasons deep into the godfather of Harlem and I'm feeling like I understand the city a little bit. There you go. Well, listen, listen, I've had family members

to do the same thing to me at Fronter Rouge. It's a Harlem thing. I'm like, yo, how are you going to say that at the funeral? This ain't even your goal yet. Yeah, we got to see the clip. And you're laughing shows there's literally no objections. So that's- No, it's very bad.

Like, he didn't even try to offend. Usually he would not. I'm not having or subtracting for exactly what he said. Yeah, where did you get the ball from? That's crazy. Not PSA-L. I've been talking. called to BSA.

Y'all tracked it down. Can y'all please get this ball for murder? Yeah. So we end this on this show. Yeah, I'm tired. I'm sick of it. You're sick of it. It's literally 32 years.

This, actually last month made 32 years. That's crazy. Literally. That's insane. The last month, March was 32 years. Yeah, March 19, right? Something like that. Yeah, March 19.

I ain't forget it. Yeah. Literally. Clearly you haven't forgotten. Yeah. Wow. Oh, you're a killer. That's crazy.

That the nigger tell you that's crazy. Like, they ain't doing. Good old Mace. Love to see it, Mace. Okay. So the Lakers and Denver have clinched their playoff spots. It was actually reported. Austin Rees will decline a $14.9 million player option.

and enter unrestricted free agency this summer. We know this is either the first step to a move or a contract negotiation. Trista, what do you see happening? And then what are your thoughts on his impact on the Lakers? Well, I was looking at before the show started on the free agents, whether they're restricted or unrestricted. And it is a dry market.

It is very desert-like. There's not that many players that you really want to add to this Lakers team. if you're going to do a sign and trade, you're going to have to obviously find somebody who's also under contract. But for me, it's like you have to pay him something. And you certainly should pay him more than $15 million. But I think that Lakers can offer five years, $241 million for Austin Reeves. And they already kind of have a guy that does a lot of the same things that Austin Reeves does. better. And if you're building a championship team, I was looking at the course of history,

there's only been three, four teams in the last 25 years that have been bottom half defenses and have won a title. You've got the 2001 Lakers with Shaq and Kobe. You got 2011 with the Dallas Mavericks. You have the 2016 Cavs. The Mavericks and the Cavs teams both were very fluky titles. and then you've got the 23 Denver Nuggets, which in the playoffs, the Nuggets were an elite defensive team. I think they were just on paper getting it together. So I just don't think you can win at any level, at the highest level, with Austin Reeves and Luca Donchich as your back court,

especially with the amount of money that you're going to have to pay both of them. You would have to hit every single home run out of the park to defensively protect them. And then you're talking about teams like San Antonio, O KC, and Boston, who are covering both sides of the ball and are going to knock you out of the damn playoff. So I think paying Austin Reeves that amount of money is silly, but I understand they don't have a whole lot of moves that they can really make. Well, I'm going to go in the opposite direction. Pause.

I think this is a phenomenal thing to do if they was to pay them the money because this will be the first time we see an all-white. Superstar backcourt. Nothing will be better for the league than an all white superstar bat court. The stadiums and the arenas have always sold out when you have two white back court stars. Think about it. You got John Stockton and Hornichick, right? The stadiums was going, I mean, the arena was going crazy. Then you got Craig Elo and Mark Price, right? There was never another crowded team, I mean, arena like that when you see white superstars in the gym at the same time. This will be perfect for the NBA. I know as a Laker fan, they want to see some

black athletic guys, but I think this is a beautiful look when you think of marketing. If you think of L.A., can you bring people to the arm arena and it's safe? You know, they're not going to be in any trouble. You know, they're not, you know, going to cause any problems in that regard. I think for that reason only I would like to see it. Yeah, the players and the teams that make name, none won no championship. They just was white. Now, if you want the money,

you want the money, all right, cool. If you're just trying to sell out arenas, I 100% wholeheartedly agree with it. If you're trying to win, I'm not sure. I'm caught in the middle, though, pause. Like, you don't, you know, come on. Come on, bro. $14 million for Austin Reeves is wild disrespectful right now.

It's wild disrespectful. But do you want to give him a number that Tris is talking about? What's the number Tris that he could possibly do? Five years, 241 million. Oh. They wilding out here paying other niggas. You know what I'm saying? I'm not saying give him that.

Maybe Austin Reeves will sit down and negotiate with them so he doesn't get that because where's he gonna go? You know, even if you go to another number, other team, you're not going to get that. So I'm caught up because I know Dan well he's worth more than 14 million a year, but he's worth 50 million a year, it's the question. Definitely not. So maybe they meet somewhere in the middle, maybe they get them 30 million a year, a little

over 30 million a year and they figure it out like that. But I don't see anywhere else he could go. I think the Lakers definitely need him. I think the Lakers would be really decent and formidable if the nigger Aiton would step to fuck up and be the nigger that we think. thought he was supposed to be when he first come to the NBA. We always, we don't even mention that, nigga. We talk about

Reeves, we talk about Luca, we talk about LeBron. We forget this nigga, Dodd is here, Brown, and he's in the fucking, he's a center. He's a decent center when he got to Phoenix, and I believe we talked about it before when Tris was on the show if I'm not mistaken, that or Maurice, I'm not sure who was on the show. I know

we talked about it. But it's just one of situations like, bro, meet niggas halfway so niggas could talk, because nobody's even thinking about the Lakers going past the second round. And that's the team. I'm not mad at this roster now. I do agree with Trish.

They need to step up defensively. But last week, I haven't checked this week. And that 10 game, 10 game, 9-game win streak they had, they were second in defense overall in the league. They were number one against the three. Right now they're ranked number 15th in defense. So defense has improved since the All-Star game. Let's see if it goes into the playoffs.

But I'm not sure how much you give Austin Reyes. I know damn sure well it ain't 14 million. I know damn sure well it ain't 50 million. What's in the middle? And for a quick, quick statement to what you said, killer, do you count Clay Thompson and Steph Curry? They're part white. They're both black, man.

They're part white. The niggas is Bohemian, my nigga. He's a super, nigga from the bohemians. This is his goal? Yeah, Clay Thompson is dead-ass bohemian. Look white This is what I'm talking about Tricia, he won't stop

But he won't stop Because I said niggas ain't win He got to go to the light skin Black Diggins Giving us the one drop makes you white Yeah It's like one drop of white You're white now in his argument

Yeah, yeah so It doesn't stop It's straight, you know It doesn't stop It's straight, it's blonde Okay I think his mom is white. But what about stuff curry?

Stuff Curry's not white at all. Not even a little bit. His hair's gold. Yeah, but... I don't know many black niggas who hairs gold. But it's his... But it's his... He's not an albino.

He's not a white color. He's not talking about the hair color. I'm like, okay. I'll tell you one thing, though. His hair is like reddish, but that shit gets nappy. Yeah, he ain't all the way. His shit curl up and get... I see that with no...

I see that nigger with no cut. It should get a little nappy, man. Shut out, shout out. Seven Curry. Yeah, I try to call your nappy-a-a-a-a-niggin. I'm just saying, I'm trying to protect your blackness. This is because murder is trying to... What do they call it, a W-N?

Questioning. Oh, my goodness. And then just to add to your A-N thing, we did kind of talk about him. Remember, when he had that realization, that he's not that guy. Yes, that's what I was referring to. Yeah, because we did have that conversation.

So, I mean, as soon as they figure that out, because, I mean, you sang or not that guy is a conversation in itself. But now regarding the Lakers, I want to look into the future and talk about what's realistic. So, of course, Lakers fans are saying they can win it all this year. We see it on the West, we see it on the East. But, Trista, do you think the Lakers title window will close after this year? Or do you think they don't even have a window to begin with

because of what we're seeing from the Spurs and OKC? Yeah, the window's been closed, like been heavy on the bin. It's closed last year. It's closed the year before that. Ever since the bubble and they got rid of players that were key to their championship hopes, right? They trade Cantavius Colwell Pope for Russell Westbrook. There were some other players involved in that trade, but that was kind of the main piece of it. And get Rui Hachimura.

This is just not been the same thing. team. And for me, I'm looking at, again, all the advanced metrics, what the Lakers do. Their three-point shooting is still very up and down. Like, you need to surround LeBron James with shooters. Yes, he's, I don't know if he's even on this roster next year. I don't know if you even want to build a team around him, considering how much he's going to want to get paid. He's an unrestricted free agent after the season. But like the Lakers window is closed. I don't think, like I said earlier, you can build, it'll be very, very difficult to build a team that can protect Luca and protect Austin Reeves from how bad they are defensively. You look at the structure

of contending teams right now. You either need a two-way superstar in the back court like SGA or you need a generational shot blocker that erases all the mistakes like Wembe. And also no shade to the San Antonio Spurs back court because those guys are defensive. demons as well. Or you need to be like Boston that has okay defensive guards. Derek White is a very good one. And then switchable wings who really protect you as well. So the Lakers have none of those. They just have two white boys that can score. What's your question? So I want to ask you what's realistic. And do you think that their title window closes after this year? You think it's not even there to begin with just from what we've seen from the West? I think I think I think

I think when you got LeBron on the floor, you got a chance. It's like fighting in a heavyweight division. You got to punch his chance. If you get the, if LeBron get the going, playing good, and then you get Luca to show up both at the same time. I think they could beat anybody, but I'm not going to go on the limb and say they will. When it comes to this team, I think it's over with after this year.

I think LeBron looks for a team that he could play and that his son could really play on the floor with him at the same time. I think that's how he goes out on the championship team. I wouldn't be surprised. Like I said, early in the season, if he goes back to Cleveland. And he finishes everything with Cleveland. Cleveland looked like they have all the pieces that are necessary for him to win a championship with if he goes there. And I think that's where he ends up in Cleveland.

I don't think it's realistic for the Lakers. I think the thing about it is just the West so tough. I agree with me. you have a chance against anybody except OKC and Spurs, so you don't have a chance against everybody. The Spurs are just looking, Spurs are just looking phenomenal. The first time in history,

you got eight players, average, in double digits. You know, everybody's talking about, you know, they're a year away, they're two years away. I actually said that myself. And looking at them, they look like they're ready now. Wimby's going to get the defensive player

at a year definitely. arguably going to come in second place if he doesn't get it for MVP. I know Shade's a favorite right now, but Wimby is making a case for itself. They're probably going to win 60 games this year, first time and a long time to do it. But to stick to the actual topic and the question for LeBron and the Lakers. Second round, championship, if that's what the question is that, no. I'm not looking for them to go to the championship. And I kind of agree with Mace.

We'll see what LeBron does on the offseason. I don't know about his son and everything, but it's not a far-off conclusion that he does go to Cleveland. We just seen, think about it, right? Steph Curry say, look, man, everybody cutting yourself? Come fuck with me, yo. Let's get my little nigger's spot, man.

We got to figure this thing out. I don't know if anybody seen this. I thought it was just April 4th. Fool's Day yesterday. But when they said the fourth brother been added to the Milwaukee bucks, I said, get the fuck out of here. And then I seen them walking on the court.

I said, I seen the nigger on the court, murder. Shit yon is got going over there. Yo, Milwaukee said, you got another brother, right? You got another nigga, right? Yo, we'll put him on the team this year.

So it's not far-fetched to think the LeBron's son may play still, but I don't think that LeBron has to cashay. Not saying he ain't still fucking LeBron James, but we're starting to see how, you know, Jeannie Bussing made some statements about LeBron, even though she's not the majority owner of the team anymore. And I think Rob Polink is going to make the decisions

that's best for the team. I don't know, but I do think their window is closed unless they get something phenomenal to happen that we're not even seeing coming. me pause. Okay, now on to Yukon. There's not Maurice here, but we're going to talk about the coach. So Dan Hurley defended tough coaching and his coaching style and said, I think society has gotten soft in a lot of ways. The real world is tough and cruel. You've got to be equipped. He said, remember the teachers and coaches that push you to your max, push you beyond your comfort level to get the most out of you,

that English teacher that made you do the work, the tests were hard, you had to study hard. I think the same thing applies to coaching. So there's been, there's always, been backlash on his coaching style. But Trista, do you think that there is such thing as too tough coaching? And then when do you think it does cross a line? I mean, yeah, abuse, like Bobby Knight throwing chairs that players or Brian Kelly killing a kid, allegedly, or people putting them, I forget who the other one, Mike Leach put one of his students, one of his players in like a shed that was really hot.

I forget exactly the details around that. But yeah, I think like abuses the line. And what you see with that shift in momentum is that because of all of that, people equate what Dan Hurley does to those vintage coaches that we're doing way too damn much. And so there's like a lower tolerance now for coaches who are demanding, who are aggressive, who are harsh and brash. and confrontational, right? But Dan Hurley doesn't really cuss his players out.

If you watch him on the sidelines, he's very passionate, but he's really cussing the refs the fuck out. And he's hyping his players up on the sidelines. Remember, he pushed Cam Spencer in the tournament a couple of years ago, pushed him back onto the court and people lost their damn mind. But everybody who has talked about playing for Dan Hurley will run through a wall for him. So I think it's like a situation where there's a lot of coddling going on. I think he's right that parents have gotten involved and they want their coaching style to be a certain way.

And Dan Hurley's not rolling with that. And like at a certain point when these players graduate and they're no longer playing basketball, some of them aren't going to make the league, the world is a cold, harsh place and you've got to be ready and you got to be equipped. So, yeah, that's my take on Dan Hurley. Yeah, I think Dan Hurley is a phenomenal coach. I think when you think of the Hurley's in particular, Dan Hurley, Bobby Hurley, and his dad, Bobby Hurley, Sr., I think when you come from this type of cloth of coaching, you just have a passion for the game that people don't understand, right?

Some coaches just want to win that bad. I remember one of the coaches from, I forgot his name, football, I think it was Herm. It was, I believe, that said, man, I want to win. I want players that want to win. And just to go on national television and say that with your players, you know, and a couple feet away is a powerful statement. And some people would consider that abuse in today's climate. I think when it comes to coaching, there's coaches that really want to win. And you remember these type of coaches like Dan Hurley, even as a form of. a basketball player even on a much lower level. You remember the coaches that push you to the

limit. You remember the coaches that made you better. You don't remember the coaches that let you get away with everything. It's like school. You remember the people that help you to get to the highest level that you possibly could achieve. And I think that comes with coaching. I think there will be more Hall of Famers if a lot of these good players in the NBA will let people coach them so my hat goes off for us to dan hurley and what he's doing in yukon the way they've been winning i don't i don't think you can question his coaching boy style at this point unless he does something like far over the line bob hurley was way over the line like yeah i wouldn't put these two in the same category bob hurley i mean um bobby knight i apologize bobby knight was way over the

line and brian kelly as well i wouldn't put this in the same categories no I agree with both of you 100%. But y'all realize what you're dealing with. You're dealing with kids. You're saying this ain't a space, say space that I'm in. You're dealing with niggins who get mental days off from school. Yeah, I need a mental day off. What's a mental day off?

Stad looking because her school gave her mental days off, right? Right? I mean, I'm just asking you get mental days off from school? She said you need them. But see, this is, but this, and I'm not talking most of them, this is why. This is exactly why. Did you ever have a mental day off from school? I never heard of this shit till like fucking 10 years ago.

But social media has changed a lot, but I'm going to let you continue. No, I'm laying it out. I'm not, listen, I said I agree with them, but this is why people are saying this. I'm not saying. Yeah, he's actually making a great point. Yeah, I'm not arguing with you, not beefing with you. Your birth certificate is your birth certificate. I'm just telling you why people are saying.

that nigga Bobby Hurl, I mean, Danny Hurley's wilding. I'm just telling you the people you're dealing with. It's mental health days. They're looking for safe spaces. The parents will make their own highlight reels or their own kids. You go to these tournaments and all that. You can pay for your highlight reel before you leave the gym. You don't see no misses, no nothing.

You just only see the highlight reel of when they make this shit. We are in a totally different environment. I hate it. I hate it. This is what I'm saying. So as much as I agree with you, you have to just look at the climate that you're in right now because, look, but let's say because you're right,

he's not Bobby Knight. He's a hundred percent different thing. Let's think about this, and people tend to forget it because we don't remember yesterday. The Lakers were trying to hire Danny Hurley. Yeah. Before JJ Redding. and when he turned when he went there

the um you cause said hold on we got more money for you Danny we got more money and then he went back and then they ended up hiring JJ Reddick so it isn't like people don't even want Danny Hurley in the NBA we gotta realize what's this is fourth third or four five and four years he's been the only missed a year final fours in the last four or five years

I don't know if it's three or four or four or five either or so he is very well respected and he does win but I'm telling you when you deal with these type of people with these kids, some kids don't want that. Some kids, listen, man, I'll tell you right now, man, I got people related to me, young cousins and everything else. They would have called the police on my coach.

They would have been like, yo, my nigger, this is against the law. Like, you know, I was making a statement how I was fondled when I was young by an older woman. And Statt was very concerned for me. Yes. I was. Yes. This is what I'm saying.

And she was like, oh my God. God. And I'm like, it's part of the game. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I wasn't mad about it, to be honest with you. And I appreciate you as a little sister being concerned. Yeah. Yeah. Krista, like what?

Yeah. No, that's what I'm saying. But, you know, it's not going to be a lot of people. You'll see Danny Helen and you'll be like he's winning, but it's not going to want to be a lot of people. Be like, who's our, you know, five-star recruits. I would say, it'd be like, they ain't going to be telling me all that, man.

I'm only here for one year anyway. So hopefully he gets some good players, but even if he doesn't get five-star, maybe four-star, he's proven he can win no matter who he has on the team. So congratulations to Danny Hurley for making the 10-0 of a Final Four. I think you're outstanding, coach.

I think you're very passionate. And you cut from the cloth where we come from. Danny Hurley's not far from the crib where we come from. He's from Jersey City right across the water. So trust me, I get it. Yes, Stad, I know you got something that says that. Well, to your point, and Cam, to your point really quick, like it's very self-selecting.

You're not going to get, he's not going to recruit players who are going to have a hard time with that. He says he watches the parents and how they interact and how the kids are. And they kind of know at this point what time it is. And to your point in terms of five stars, remember they got Steph Castle. Steph Castle was one of the top recruits. He got there for a year. I mean, I think he probably should have been the number one pick when he came out of college. But obviously he's in a phenomenal spot.

And Dan Hurley was a huge part of that. And Yukon's run was a huge part of that. I really think the people who don't like Dan Hurley are not people in the program. They're people who want to talk about basketball. They're not the kids. The kids who've played for Dan or Danny have said only positive things about him, at least the ones that have stuck around. Yeah, we're probably talking about the players that made it.

We don't know what the players that didn't make it said at all. Yeah. That is a great point. It's like Bobby Knight, Calvin Cheney, had great things to say about it. Yeah, because you made it. When you didn't make it, we don't know what the players that didn't make it had to say about him. Secondly, I heard you earlier, Trish, when you said, all we see is how passion he is on the sideline, we push everything, we've pushed him to go back in the game.

He's chair and his players on. I see that as well. We don't know what he's doing in practice. We don't know if he's slapping the nigger in the back of the head of night. We don't know if the niggas running out of breath and he's pushing him in their back to finish the laps. So we're only going to know if we can see. And we can't trust Maurice to tell us the truth

because he's part of the program. So at the end of the day, we have no idea. We fuck around and see it. And that's what I'm saying too in this era now, right? You ever see that commercial, the infomercial? I'm just using an example. Be like, were you abused and through the years 1989 through 1993, you mean.

may be eligible for some money. Call this number. Yeah, call this number. You fuck around out of Danny Hurley hotline in about 10 years. We don't know. Yeah, this one is crazy right there. This one I'm trying to say.

You got to watch everything. Yeah. So as much as I agree with Trish, 100%, but we don't know what the people who didn't say make it. We don't really know what goes on in practice. On the side lines, he looks passionate. I see the nigger when they played Duke

every day, right, and they closed the gap because they're there on 19. They closed the gap like seven. He hit the crowd like this. Let's go. He's talking to the crowd like this. The players going to the bench for the timeout. As the players walk to the bench,

he's walking to the middle of the half court looking at the U-Car crowd like this. Let's go. So I understand the passion, but we don't know what's going on behind the season. I'm not knocking that. Like I said, I'm a hot, look, Danny Hurley is like Fisher Price to the coaches

I had to deal with. Listen, my coach read down, pull the nicket. I'm not even going to get into it. That's that. Yeah, I was just going to add, I think Dan Hurley is an amazing coach. I have nothing bad to say about him at all,

but I do know that the output would be looked at differently if they weren't winners. Like, to us, it's all part of the process. So do you want him to keep coaching the way that he does because it works? But literally to your point, the people who didn't make it to the league, the people who did fall off, they probably have very different opinions on that.

And that's fine. Boy, they could love them as well. And I would hope that's the outcome. Because you just know when you're, you know when you're in the presence of greatness. Like, you know we're in the presence of somebody who's good at what they do. But also, like I said, winning does help.

And the process is always different for winners. So, you know, the people that played on like the Tarkhanian teams and they had to run sandhills or, you know, but you like the, you like the running and dunking, right? So you want to play the game for 40 minutes up and down the court, back and forth, nonstop. There's something that goes into that. Picking teams up 90 feet, the whole game, something goes into that. You don't just create players like that. That team was under a scandal too.

Yeah. That's what I'm saying. And every team that produces that great other than Duke, every other team that was at that pinnacle for a long time was all under scandal because it takes something different to win. Well, and to your point, like, I think the thing, I saw Yukon play in 2022 before they won their first title. And they came to Portland, and I came home for Thanksgiving.

They had the Phil Knight Invitational. And I had never seen Danny Hurley do his thing. before. Not live, not ever. I mean, I saw some Yukon games, but I wasn't really locked in. And I was like 10 feet from him. And he was motherfucking the ref. He was coming after Nate Oates. It was Alabama, Yukon. And I was like, wow, they're either going to tune him out by January or they're going deep into this tournament. And I think it's really easy to tune out a coach if they're not investing and pouring into you as people. And that's another thing we also don't see, is whether he's, you know, soft and vulnerable and there to, to shepherd these young men in different

ways where when he does come after them, they take it the right way. And there's coaches in the women's game right now, Kim Caldwell of Tennessee. She said the same thing as Texas's head coach, but Texas ended up winning the SEC and they're in the final four. And Tennessee ended up losing the last eight games of the season and pretty much everybody has transferred out because she didn't earn that capital to be able to call them quitters and call them soft. So I think that's a part of it too. Well, one more thing before I finish. I want to ask you a question.

Was Hubert Davis not pouring himself into players as people and individuals and making them better men? I don't know, but I know he wasn't winning. And that's what stat said. Stats said winning helps. And that's exactly where I meant. That's exactly why I asked you that. because if you win, you start creating all these other scenarios.

He's pouring himself into the players. He's invested. He's invested. When you win, the storylines be crazy. When you lose, the nigger wasn't investing itself into the players like that. They wasn't doing that. They wasn't dialed in. Yeah.

All that. You won't. They make up anything. I love that. And another thing, too, because I know you were saying, like, pouring into people, but, like, half the time, the players just don't want to face the consequences later. Because when I play basketball, we actually had a very, not a coach like y'all, but he was just very invested in an angry way, and he would slam the clipboards,

and we would have to be sad, and we knew if we lost a game, like, we would have to run extra suicide. You would have to be sad? No, like, he was just very, I'm using the word. compassionate because I only know positive terms, but he was mad. He was real mad. If you guys were smiling after the game, he was pissed, right? We never smiled after the game because we were losing. Like, that's the thing.

It was never happiness. It was straight suicides. We knew we had to run. We knew we had to do extra push-ups. He would make you sit by the basket for the next hour until you had a hundred in a row. And it was just like, dang, I don't even want to play basketball anymore. But we were trying to win. So we thought.

And then when the wins didn't happen, you're just playing for what? It sucked. We would be called out of our names. Like, everybody had a nickname. What was your nickname? What was your nickname? What was your name?

The predator because I had braids and he didn't like my braids. Oh, wow. It was not fun. It was not fun. No, is that a my girl is racist? My teammates did. Yeah, that might be racist. Three of our teammates were black and we all had crazy nickname.

What was the offer to black people? I don't even remember because somebody rescuesia somebody else. No. All right. Just making sure.

All right. Everybody had a big name. I just remember. You might see we might not too late to investigate this. He said, now we got to know. The predator is crazy, though. But if we were winning,

would I have cared? Probably not. You probably wouldn't have been the predator if you were running. Yeah. Nah, he was going to give me that name. You've been Rapanza if you. Remember they.

find ways to look at it. No, that's what everybody said. But, yeah, if we were winning, it would have been viewed very differently. But as you see, I have, I'm feeling the type of way because we were losing and it just wasn't fun. Okay. So regarding this whole conversation, there is a clip that went super volatile that I want to get you guys' reaction to because it goes hand in hand.

So we've got this clip from a Maryland basketball coach yelling at one of her players. Nick, can you actually go ahead and play the clip? I don't like this. Okay, see, it's viewed differently. So this has a lot of millions of views. So it's viewed differently. So Mason wants you to go first. Thoughts on it.

Dan, but Danny Hurley, do it. It was good for Danny? I don't like that. Why? I didn't like that. Just the countenance on her face didn't say, didn't say it was coming from a good space to me. Did it seem racist because one, the coach was white?

Yes, it did. See? Actually, it did. But what if it was a black coach and a black player? No, it's, it was, it's, it's, it's almost like when you see, um, how can I put it? Danny Hurley, the reason why he doesn't come across like that to me, because I know he come from Paul's. He come from us, even though he was in New Jersey, is, is all a Roderick Rhodes.

Is, is, is the history that I know of that lets me know that Danny Hurley, comes from our neighborhood, even though he was in a Catholic school setting. He come from that. So when you see that, you see his conversation, you know it comes from a different place. When I saw that right there, it didn't look like she connected. You know, like you can't take correction like that from people that you don't know love you. In order to receive that kind of correction, you got to know the coach love you. Like our coach, we knew he was going to come bail us out. We knew if we needed sneakers, he bought the sneakers. If we needed food, he'll buy the food.

So, therefore, when he was giving us the correction, we took the correction because we knew that he was fully invested in us. That didn't look like fully invested. That didn't look like after basketball this year. If you don't make it, you could call her phone. But you're taking a seven second clip and turned it into a hole. But you don't know if she may come from that background. She may be invested.

If you had seven seconds of Alco's yelling at us because he used to be yelling at us worse than that and then you'd be like, nah, that niggins abusive. But you're from Nebraska and you don't know the nigga you're like, nah, they're just doing them niggins wrong. I think I see where you're coming from shit look racist.

That's what I'm saying. I'm gonna go with it. It just look racist. But I can't go with that take because I get with, that's why I agree with you because we know Roderick wrote, we know Tim Tom. We know Bobby Hurley.

We, we, I snuck in to see Bobby Hurley play against Kenny Anderson in high school. So I get what May said. We know where Bobby, Danny Hurley's coming from, from a really good place. And I get where he's coming from too. That shit looks crazy, and look crazy. And yo, get out my face. I want to say, get out my face while I was just watching that video. But I, if we're going on with May say, we don't know how passionate it is.

That girl may sit there and tell you, Now, I needed to hear that. Maybe, I don't know. I didn't like it neither. I'm not going to say it like I liked it. I'm just trying to be devil's advocate to what Mesa said. I didn't like to do it. She might say she needed that with a coach on the other side of the camera.

Yeah. You need it. Yeah. Yeah. Blink if you're three times if you're in trouble. See, that's exactly how my coach was. But Trista, what's your opinion after seeing the clip? Well, I saw.

what she said, like if you slow it down. She said, you know, I believe in you, but you have to believe in yourself. And like, no one's going to give you this moment. It's your moment. And then she like slapped her on the shoulder. And to be honest, Alucci Akanawa is who that was. Slap on the shoulder? You don't like that. I don't like that. I looked at it. I don't like that. I just saw it. I didn't look back back. Yeah, I don't like that. Yeah, I don't like that. Yeah, I just see. I Alucci was out for like five plays. And she was fucking up, to be honest. She was really wild, out of control, missing defensive assignment.

She looked kind of shook. And she got that pep talk from Brenda Fries. And Brenda Fries is kind of a legend in Maryland. And Alucci has said throughout the season that she wants to be coach hard. And her and Brenda have that relationship. So that's kind of, if you haven't been like tuned in on Big Ten women's basketball, which I don't blame anyone who's not. Like, you wouldn't know that.

But, like, Oluci has said this pretty much all year that her and Brenda have this great relationship. So they're in the middle of the tournament setting. I think they were in the first round of the NCAA tournament. It goes viral. And to be honest, they lost that game. But Alucci, after coming back into the game after that pet talk, really balled out and played a lot better,

looked a lot more. But she was slot to do so. If you don't, if you don't, if you don't. Didn't know what she said, and you didn't have any of the context. It does look crazy, like, out of nowhere for that six seconds. Did she slap or did she pat up? You can watch them, play the video. Yeah, I need to see it.

Yeah, I've seen this. Look at that. No, I don't like that. She gave her, she gave her that, let's go do this on the way out. I know it was the, it was the miss. Oh, yeah. She didn't slap her. Yeah.

I didn't like it, though. I didn't like, I didn't like the drill and pause to, yeah. I don't like that. See, this is what I'm saying. I'm in a different day. This is what I'm saying, brother. I'm going to join this generation. I don't like it.

I'm just about to say, it's not a safe space. It's not a safe space. I didn't get safe from that. She need a mental day off. You got to have her day off. No, she has that. Well, you don't like it when I say it.

No, I just say that. I agree with you in certain parts. But my coach was just like that. So I felt that. Yeah, and because it plays into the psyche of the person later on, their confidence. I get it now. If you don't have that certain level of tenacity mentally and that mental fortitude, that kind of coaching can break you as a person, even though it helps you win games.

Remember, I remember I said something about if you're raising a kid to be great at a sport, but you're ruining them mentally, then their life is not going to be good, even though they end up a good basketball player. He's going to be a freak or a widow in his brain. And that's how you see basketball players on dope. And you're like, how did he go from NBA player to strung out on these drugs? Because he was broken mentally to reach that level of success in basketball. And that style of coaching leads to that. Because I look at me and Camman, we laugh about this a lot,

but we're the two that made it. Well, maybe we have to go back and look at our team and say, what happened to everybody else? Because it's funny, because y'all two made it. Yeah, yeah. Let's check out the rest of the group. And that's what I was trying to say when niggas be like, when Tris was saying Stephon Castle,

what about the eighth man, night man on our team? Somebody else is standing around like this in the corner. Just waiting on the bus. They're like, what's happening? Man, I hope he don't come back over here. You're like, who are you talking about? Man, my coach, man. You've been out of high school 30 years now.

You'd be amazed. Like, you actually made it, but what about those other girls? How do they feel? Do you have a reunion with them? I mean, I have to have a reunion where, Regardless, how is it going to go? That I don't know. Yeah.

We're having a high school reunion this summer. I'm getting the whole team together. And we're coming out to Vegas. If you want to know, I want to be in attendance. Our whole high school team. Just to find the wall. I have to watch that. Yeah.

It's going to be great. I already asked Kelle about it. I think it would be hilarious. Mace ain't doing this shit. I'm already put the call out. I spoke to Rich Park. He said, last time I spoke to base, he told me me in Vegas, I flew to Vegas. He stopped picking the phone up.

You know, Rich. That's what he told me. That's what he told me. That's what he told me. See, Rich. See, okay, see, see. My name's Todd. You all are crazy.

Well, great conversation. In the comments down below, let us know what y'all think about that clip. We're going to go to break. When we return, we will discuss Jayden Ivy and his comments versus the league. Don't go anywhere. Welcome back. Welcome back.

So we discussed in an earlier episode. that Jaden Ivy has been way from the Bulls after multiple comments. So another report came out and I wish it was from a fake page, but it wasn't. He reportedly used to ask Bulls reporters if they fornicated before marriage. He also stated that his wife has been ignoring his messages. So this is just some of the few, a lot, actually, comments that we've heard coming from Jaden Ivy. But Trista, what's your opinion on the situation? And then my second question is, how do you think you should address people that you don't agree with?

First and foremost, how do you think Jaden Ivy would have reacted if I told him about the Casita in the locker room? You think he would have been shocked about that? What's the Casita? Okay, definitions. Anyway, no, I don't know. Like, we're just going to roll past that. For the people who have watched when Mace was it? wasn't there.

We don't want Mesa offered to baptize me again. I think I'm still, he asked me if I was going to come to church and get baptized. I think the whole thing is just kind of wild in general. It's giving Antonio Brown vibes to me where Antonio Brown just kept going on live. He just kept saying more and more, not outrageous things, but things that seem very like he was having a manic episode. And when you get to the point where you're saying, oh, my wife's not texting me back, my family has abandoned me.

I forget exactly the quote that he said. He's currently on the outs with his whole family in general. That shows that people are trying to help him. And what it appears is he's not taking their help or seeking their help. In terms of how I think people should react or talk about things when they disagree with one another, I think it just depends on the context. Like, are we supposed to be having a conversation?

Is this something where I'm a reporter and you're an athlete and I have to ask you about it? What context are we in? Because I can just leave you the hell alone and not say anything. I think that's what the best idea is probably. If you have to say something, do. But if you don't and you disagree with how someone lives their life, then you probably want to stay in your own, as my therapist would say, stay in your own sandbox, live your own life, work on your own salvation, or whether you

are interested in your own salvation, and like let other people do the same. That's pretty actually good, Trish. I'm surprised, you know. You did very well. Like me. No, I'm not one of those people. Like, I really believe that each person like grows at their own pace. I had that epiphany, but I know that like how you grow as a person, we can all be on the same

path. Some people are further down the path than others. That don't make you better than a person. That just means you're further down the path than them. And I think that that comes with maturity. Without maturity, you just expect everybody to be where you are and you're judging people by what you know and you're not judging people about what they know. So even like if you say, if you want to say like, oh, this person is a hypocrite or this person is this, you don't really really know what anybody knows, right, unless you really sit down with them and ask them questions about, hey, where your views come from, who is your teacher? There's millions of churches. So if he's getting his view from one place and somebody getting their view from another

place, they get indifferent understandings unless you're getting it from the same place. You can't really say what a person knows. So I think that's just a, unrealistic expectation that you have of other people unless you're sitting in the room with people and you hear them hearing the same things that's the only way you could kind of hold them to the same understanding and i think that's just a mistake that a lot of christians make they think people believe what they believe when there's different styles of christians right so just like muslims just like anything else and when you say your family is not calling you back why wouldn't they be calling you back?

If you got me kicked out, what am I calling you back about? What am I supposed to say, hey, you know, you're getting us kicked out? Oh, I don't care. Jesus is coming back. Like, I don't get it. I think there's a lot of balance that could be added to his conversation. And it's just sad that people are manipulating them. And it seemed like I don't want to say they're pimping them,

but there's people when I saw the interview, it seemed like somebody is. behind his views. It's like that conversation Kanye had. I don't understand why people have the conversations they do with the people they have them with, especially when it comes to explosive religious beliefs. Okay, so last thing before we wrap. So Amari Stadamir, Candice Parker, and Doc Rivers are among the members inducted into the Knit Smith Basketball Hall of Fame class of 26. Trista, are you surprised by any of the inductees? Oh, yeah. I'm really surprised. I'm so surprised by Doc Rivers.

Is this a longevity award? Is this a lifetime achievement award? Because Doc Rivers, in my view, when you pull the receipts on what his career has been as a coach, I just don't think he's a Hall of Famer at all, especially considering how good that roster was on the one team that won a title. And like the real ones know that Tom Tibuto was a major part of why Boston won that championship. And he had multiple Hall of Famers on that team. And then he goes to L.A., does absolutely zero with Lob City. It's a disaster in Philly with Joelle Embed and James Hardin. He takes over for the Milwaukee Bucks for Adrian Griffin.

And Terry Stott's, his assistant walks out because he doesn't want to be with Doc Rivers. There's just been so many. I mean, he has the most, I think he holds the record for blown for like game seven losses. He lost 10 game sevens. He's lost in the first round 10 times after being in the playoffs 21 of 26 years. It's just, I just don't think that anything that he is accomplished is a Hall of Fame caliber achievement unless we're saying, hey, you've just been coaching at a certain level of success for a long time. Yeah, I would have to agree with you wholeheartedly.

I think if you put him first ballot Hall of Fame in there, then you have to put Eric Spolster in there. There's a lot of other people that goes in there with him, if that's the case. I can't see why Doc Rivers will be a Hall of Fame. Could he be a good coach? Yes. And I wouldn't even say, I would say he's a decent coach, but if JJ Reddick get a championship, are you going to put JJ Reddick after one year in the Hall of Fame?

This is just really premature, I believe, and I believe he just knows people that made this vote. I really do believe that. I believe they just heard Doc Rivers and say, yeah, we're going to do this. There's no reason Doc Rivers should be a Hall of Fameer. Who else besides Dr. Ravut? Yeah, Amari Sadimir and. and Candace Parker. Candace Parker.

Yeah, that's it. I'm going with Candace Parker. Marie's my man, though. I don't really know, Doc. Marry's my nigger. I don't know, man. What are we doing? What are we doing?

What's the criteria? That's the real question. What is the criteria for making the Hall of Fame? That's the question we need to start asking people. I've seen Dion Sanders say that shit about three, four years ago. He said, yo, they're going to have to start making

higher floors for niggas in the Hall of Fame because they just starting to let anybody in. He said, they need to put me at the top floor with a few other niggas if they just going to start letting anybody in.

I don't know what the criteria is for Hall of Fame. I could go with Candid Spark. My last time, Mari Steybott is one of my homie. Not my homie, but when we see each other, we good.

But why? I don't see what he did to be in the Hall of Fame. Like, I think KG, Yeah, you know, but... No. I don't know. We're just doing anything, man.

It's a safe space out there these days. Just walking. Yeah. I'm going to mind my business and stay in the safe space, man. Listen, I just think they leave. They're not locking the doors and anybody can just walk in the building when they want to walk in if that's the case, man.

But Candace Parker, I'm a totally agree with that. Yeah, I think it's different. Like, it's... It's almost the same way when they say about rap and they be like, yo, you're a legend, man. I can't be no legend. If this niggas is a legend, you got to put me on the icon side, man. Can't be no legend.

He's a legend. I'm not no legend, nigga. Well, in the comments, let us know what y'all think about the inductees. This is a great conversation, y'all. Can I ask one quick follow-up from Mitz? Because he said something that I thought, And I want to get Cam's response on it in terms of rap. Like when you look at legend status for an artist,

how long does your career need to be? How much of it is your peak? Like what would you say is like the most important? Is it like cultural importance? Is it platinum records? Is it selling out shows? Is it like what like I guess constitutes that for y'all? Yeah, all of that.

You could all of that, you could be a legend, right? I mean, most of it, you could be a legend. But when niggas wanted to be you, when niggas wanted to dress like you, when they got their persona from you, they took swag from you, that's not legendary. That's iconic. That mean you had a hole on the culture. That's a difference. That niggas is a legend.

I'm not no legend. Killer is not no legend. Killer's an icon. His niggas wanted the, they wanted everything. Pause. You know what I'm saying? Them niggas is legend. Them niggas.

Them niggas is legend. You know legend, niggas. Don't be disrespectful, nigger. Watch your mouth. What's that? To a T, period. Okay, y'all. Legend was disrespectful.

I'm, my bad. If I ever said it, I'll just be like, yo, what's up, legend? I'd be like, nah, nigger. Mary J. Blodge is not no legend. She's a high. I'm a icon, man. Cizza is a legend. Rihanna is an icon. You got to know the difference. They're not the same. Levels to it. Okay, y'all. Well, that is all the time that we have for today. Trista, you know, it's always a pleasure to have you on the show.

Thank you guys for having me. Of course. Thank y'all for watching. And as always, it is what it is.