IT IS WHAT IT IS - CELTICS CHOKE GAME 1, JOKIC GOES CRAZY IN OKC AND WHAT WERE MA$E & CAM'S GRADES LIKE IN HIGH SCHOOL!

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

Ma$e, Cam’ron & Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson are back with another one!! On this episode, The Knicks STEAL game one in Boston after the Celtics miss 45 3's to set an NBA record! Jokic goes CRAZY in OKC with a 42-22-6 game to beat the top seed Thunder in game 1. Then, can Antman with a title steal the crown as the face of the NBA?! Lastly, Ma$e and Cam talk about what they were like as students in High School and Stat Baby is blown away! Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Support the show and sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code CAM and get a $1000 first deposit match, and a Special Pick'em pick. Follow the show and our hosts on social media: It Is What It Is, Cam'Ron, Ma$e, and Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson , Producer Ayooo Nick Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello y'all, uh I was selling crack on a private jet up in a hell and back But no confusion, this a reunion Hello y'all, welcome back Yeah, Murda here, he countin' money He said, can't man the hell we're at I'm only here to shit on niggas and piss on bitches Welcome ass, I bought jewelry and bikes, nigga

Black fences and white vigas Now I'm out here and I'm lookin' for more chandeliers and light pictures Nah, I don't like niggas, what's wrong with me? Welcome back to It Is What It Is, this episode is sponsored by Underdog. The app is an easy way to make some cash just by making picks on your favorite players. Underdog is available in more than 30 states including California, Texas, and Missouri just to name a few. Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the Underdog app. Use code MACE, CAM, or STAT to get up to $1000 in bonus credits with your first deposit and

a free pick. I'm Treasurer Wilson aka Stat Baby along with your hosts, Mace and Cam. Cam, what's up, man? What's good, bro? How are you today? I'm doing good, man. It's feel New Yorkish, man. I really do. I bet you do. I'm not surprised at all. I'm not surprised at all.

Of course you do. Oh, sweet home, you know? Live from the two one two. No further comments. I don't have a comment. So let's start with home. Okay? You know, you gotta go home sometime, you know, like Kanye said, man. You still quoting him?

Nah, I ain't quoting Kanye, no. Nah, it's all good. I ain't sure, I'm playing fucking piano. Nah, it's all good. I ain't sure, I just was asking. Great question. Great question. What'd he say? What'd he say? He got to go home?

That was a good one, Kelly. And that's that. What'd he say? Cool so the Knicks beat the Celtics 108 to 105 in an overtime win for game One mace before we get into the Knicks who underperformed on the Celtic side How we feeling about this when it come to the Celt, who would I say underperform? When it comes to them, I would definitely have to say Drew Holliday could have had a better game, but everybody, it wasn't just that they didn't show up. I just think that the type of game that the New York Knicks had was just a better team. When you lose a close game, it's always one or two situations that make the whole game It's not it's not like who underperform sometimes somebody just performed a little bit better than you perform

Um, I think al horfrey could have added Probably three more points and maybe that would have put them in overtime. But other than that I don't I don't see anyone that play any differently than they normally play. You look at Tatum, he had 23. You look at Jalen Brown, he had 23. You look at Derrick White, he normally have probably 20, but he's at 19, so they're not far from where they would be even with 11 assists.

It's just the Knicks came to win that game. Shout out to New York. Who underperformed is the fucking coach. That's who underperformed because as a team, they set an NBA record. We just seeded this shit with the Cleveland Cavaliers. Mm hmm. Day before yesterday or yesterday, whatever day it was, shooting all these threes and missing, they set a record. Borson set a record last night

of missing 45 three-pointers. You missed 45 three-pointers. I'ma round it up to 50, so if you made them, you shot 150 points worth of three-pointers just about. What are you doing? As a coach, you gotta say, yo, this shit ain't dropping. Get to the basket. But no, they keep shooting. They will not shoot. You live by the three, you die say, yo, this shit ain't dropping. Get to the basket. But no, they keep shooting.

They will not shoot. You live by the three, you die by the three. That's what happened to y'all last night. And the superstars, and I'm gonna use the word superstars, showed up when they was supposed to show up. It just wasn't on Borson. The superstar was Jalen Brunson, and he was the best player on the floor last night.

And that's just that. We ain't gonna say it's sugar-coated and make it seem like nobody did nothing. They snatched y'all heart. Y'all was up by 20 points talking about the Boston Celtics in the third quarter. 20 points and you let a lead go for 20 points because you want to keep shooting threes and missing. Yo my nigga when are y'all gonna see that the threes aren't dropping? Let me, let me just go through the threes since we here, since we already here. Jason Tate on four for 15, Drew Holliday two for seven, Derek White five for 16, Jalen Brown one for 10.

What are you doing? What are you, one for 10. What are we doing? Four, y'all both missing nine, 10, 11, 12 three-pointers. But you know who was going to the bar? Jalen Brunson. Jalen Brunson was going to the bar. Not only that, he was hitting his threes.

We see why he got clutch player of the year, and he was the best player on the floor last night. Not only that, we gonna give OG and the Nobile's credit. He came in and bust ass. Fourth quarter, McHale Bridges, and not just fourth quarter ass. Fourth quarter, McHale Bridges, and not just fourth quarter, in that overtime, McHale Bridges came through. Josh Hart, Keith Steele's defensive prowess the whole game.

Listen man, the Knicks look really good at that second half. They came, they just look like tougher Knicks. They look like yo, y'all pretty boys, even though it's a bunch of light skinned Knicks on the court. It look like shut up you light skinned Knicks and just came and dominated y'all niggas. I'm talking about not just basketball-wise, I'm talking about snatching niggas' hearts.

You know when niggas fight for the ball, snatching the ball out niggas' hands. So on and so forth. Let's go back to my problem since the playoff started. The out-of-bounds play. The Knicks ran a perfect out-of-bounds play with about two seconds left for Jalen Brunson. Executed it to the tee. He just missed the layup which centered in the overtime. But the out of bounds play was beautiful.

Now let's go into the overtime. When Boston is down two points or three points, whatever it was. They needed three, I know that. It was three points. You run this raggedy out of bounds play that you could... First of all, you couldn't get the ball in the first time. You had to use your last time out because y'all couldn't get the ball in bounds with two seconds left. Then you finally get the ball in bounds. You could tell they don't practice the

play. The coach thought he that good. He go over there, draw a play up, throw up across the court pass to Jalen Brown and McHale Bridges took that shit out. He didn't even get a chance to shoot the ball. He snatched that, passes Jalen Brown and McHale Bridges took that shit out. He didn't even get a chance to shoot the ball. He snatched that shit out Jalen Brown's hands. Just like they snatched your heart last night, Boston. That's just that. We can't sit here and sugarcoat it. The Knicks bust your last in the second half and snatched your heart.

Straight like that. Not just the misses, the 45 record breaking fucking three-point misses and and it's just getting fucking ridiculous with the threes it's been ridiculous but when you missing 45 threes in a eastern conference semi-finals that's why I want nigga but shout to Jalen Brunson he sat out for the majority not the majority for about four minutes in the fourth quarter they the Knicks started to come back with OG. We got to give a lot of credit also to Uncat. He was in foul trouble most of the game.

He contributed, but it was OG and Jalen Brunson night scoring, and it was Josh Hart and Mikel Bridges night, not just scoring, but on defense as well. The Knicks look good. Boston, you don't get, I don't care how deep you are as P can sit there say Boston play eight nine ten eleven players The six or seven for the Knicks look strong. It looks stronger than the thing we had yesterday

I'm gonna say that I'm not gonna say the Knicks here to win the series at night But they came and took your heart and this builds momentum Going into the next game. We'll see what happens Yeah, this this this Nick team looked like they made they added the pieces that they didn't have last year. And this is the difference it was supposed to make with Kat Williams. And I'm looking at Mikel Bridges, even though he only showed up late. And then to cams point Mase, how do you feel about players consistently shooting from the three but missing? I saw this all day yesterday. I even saw this in a demo game and we'll get to that later.

But it just seemed like people don't value two points no more. Like, you'll see people drive to the basket, get right under the basket, and then throw it all the way out to somebody from three. Like that was a guaranteed two points. And then he end up missing the three. They'll get a long rebound and get a breakaway dunk. And it's just, it's just ridiculous. That how much that Stephen Curry has infused the NBA. That everybody is trying to make sure that they could hit threes.

Cause they know if they get against a team that is hitting from three, it does make a difference. Definitely when you come down and you make two layups, then you hit three layups, and then somebody come down and hit three threes, you're still down a lot, you know? Okay. So given the 20 point comeback that the Knicks made, and I know you guys come up here and joke a lot and say,

if anybody's gonna mess it up, it could be the Knicks. Do you guys feel the Celtics should be more worried? Are you guys ready to give them that credit? I'm not ready to give them too much credit, but any team that could come back from 20 points is a team that have resilience, you know, I mean, even though they came back without Porzingis there, but it's still coming back for 20 points. And the key, some of the key players are still there. still coming back for 20 points and the key, some of the key players are still there. So if I, if I could give them credit for that,

but I'm not ready to wear my Nick hat. Now they get two and oh, might have to go get a Nick hat. I don't care what Cam say about it. They get two and oh, I might have to go get a, not a Nick hat, maybe a Mets hat. I can't go Nicks just yet. You don't already have one. I went everywhere to get one, but they didn't have one.

So maybe it was just, it was just, it ain't time yet. It ain't time to be doing that. I feel like the time is now. Yeah. So that means it won't be later. So that means you don't need to jump out the window and get a nick hat Yeah, you know blue and orange is close enough. Okay Kim Look anyway, just making murder crazy look

I'm not listen the Knicks is not I'm not getting hype off this but it's but it's definitely good But it's definitely good self-esteem for them as a team. Now, they look sensational coming back, but you have to think about this. The Knicks won by three, right? Poor Zingas got hurt at halftime. And listen, I'm not making no excuses for nothing. I'm just telling you to keep this in mind

as a not delusional fan. They won by three and Kniggas missed 45 threes. That's what I'm trying to tell you. That's how much has to go wrong. Exactly. For them to win. That's what I'm telling you exactly. The niggas won by three and niggas missed 45 threes.

So let's not get crazy, but that's not the niggas fault. We not gonna sit here and blame the niggas for them niggas missing 45 threes, but that's not the Knicks fault. We not going to sit here and blame the Knicks for them. Knicks missing 45 threes, but let's just keep that in mind. Yeah, because they'll say is their defense. The defense is the reason they miss 45 shots. Yeah. So yeah, whatever you want to say. The point being is 45 threes was missing. They won by three.

But if Dominic Nicks, I'm carrying this momentum in the game too. Also, I just want to give a lot of credit. I know we give him a lot of credit offensively, but I think Jalen Brunson, a lot of times he gets mismatches on defense, but he wasn't letting Jason Tatum get to the bat when he got switches and he was going Jason Tatum. I would love to know how much Jason Tatum had

when Jalen Brunson was the primary defender in the second half because he did a great job on switches not letting them get to the spots not letting them bully him and try and get to the box. He was forcing them to shoot foul line, fade away, jump shots and they weren't going in. I don't know if you guys seen it but it's been footage all week leading up to this series of Jalen Brunson playing against Jason Tatum in high school and it was dope, you know, you watch these two they two niggas They was nice in high school playing against each other Ten years ago now ain't I have a long ago was it was dope footage

But it looked like to me when I'm watching this game that Jalen Brunson was like, I know this nigga man watching this game that Jalen Brunson was like, I know this nigga, man. Like, yo, y'all be hype. He ain't like that, like that. I know that nigga, man. Trust me. Cause in that footage when they in high school, Taylor was busting ass,

but Jalen Brunson was busting ass. So listen, man, this is going, this should be a great series, but just keep in mind, 45 missed threes, three point victory. Nick's carried that momentum into the second game. And we'll see how it goes. Keep in mind, 45 missed threes, three point victory. Knicks carry that momentum into the second game, and we'll see how it goes.

But I wouldn't get too excited about it. Now if they get up two zero, would you change that? Two zero is definitely something for the, I'm not getting excited, that's not my team. Team is dispersed. But if I'm on New York fair, I would definitely be excited about 2-0 because you get 2-0 in the Boston Garden. Then you come back home,

not saying Knicks won't lose at home either, but you already stole home court advantage when you steal one game. But two games, you have home court advantage now if you're the Knicks, man. And I wouldn't wanna go down two-oh. I don't care if it was the Boston or anybody. When this playoffs series, you don't wanna go down two-oh.

Yeah, with the luck and the fortune of the Knicks, they would have to get up three-zero for me to really take it serious. Hey, yo. They would have to get up 3-0 for me to really take it serious. They get up 2-0 and then come to New York and lose 2, man. Then we'll be back at square one, you know? I've seen it before. I've seen it my whole life. So don't let me rain on y'all, hooray.

But if you get 3- old and then I know we We might win this we I think it to know you should still get a hat. Can we stand? To it. I've been there before it's that all when I was in the tenth grade. I think No, Miami beat him then then they got close to winning against Chicago cuz Mike wasn't there That didn't that didn't work. You know, I just, you know, the Knicks, I can't do it unless they get up 3-0. They get up 3-0. I concur with Mace, man.

You know, and like I said, this is not... Mace lost a lot of games. This is not a shot at the players today. This is a fact about the organization. Yeah. Like look, to Mesa's credit, the Knicks was up 3-2 in the championship against Houston. They lost a 3-2 lead in the championship against Houston.

This is what we dealing with, PTSD trauma. You know what I'm saying? Them being up one is giving me PTSD. Cause I know what it turns into, you know what I'm saying? Them being up one is giving me PTSD. Yeah. Because I know what it turns into, you know? Yeah, man. I've never seen them up three zeroes, so that's where I get excited. Okay.

Well, for the sake of Knicks fans, I'm hoping they figure it out because I think they would love to see y'all give them the praise. Yeah, I know Simmons is not going to like this. This is his day, you know? He is. He's tagging us in every joint. I know it's not going like this. This is his day, you know. He's tagging us in every, in every joint. Every single complaint, every single ref issue, every single win. We all three get a tag and we see it. We see it.

I ignored it. I just see the request join on my, when I'm going to my acts. I'm not even open. I'm going to just play quotes on it. New hotness. New hotness. Okay, so Nuggets versus Thunder. This is really the MVP candidates matchup.

The Nuggets beat OKC 121 to 119. Still a very close game, but Mace, what's your early prediction for how you think this series is gonna go? I think there's definitely go seven games when you think of, okay, see, they, they're exactly the opposite of what we saw in Boston. It seemed like it was hitting threes every time, every time that, um, the nuggets would get to the place where they'll be down seven, then they'll come

back and hit a three, be back up 10. And it seemed like no matter what run that Denver was putting together until like the end of the fourth quarter, it just kept hitting a three or getting the end one. And I think one time even Shea got an end one three. And I was just like, wow, that's crazy. He almost could add a four point play. So it looked like this is going to be one of those series

where they go back and forth. I don't see anybody like taking a strong hold over this series. I think you'll win one game, then they'll win one game. Then you'll win a game, then they'll win one game. And I think the series doesn't really change until you win two games until you win a game on the road. And that's what Denver did. If if OKC is not able to get a win in

In Denver, that's when it really changes until then it's a back-and-forth series Even though they won one game and it seemed like they got home court advantage Now I gotta give a shout out to the Denver coach man to be totally honest with you. His name is the Joker That's the fucking coach of the Denver fucking Nuggets, bro That other nigga ain't doing nothing. Joker's in the huddles telling niggas what they need to be doing. He's getting up. He's animated. I seen the nigga sub his self and the coach said, what are you doing niggas? Man, move. You see the game getting out of hand? The Joker's literally coaching his team, B. I don't know if y'all paying attention what's going on in the sidelines. I don't know when you see he telling niggas the sum niggas in, X, Y, Z.

The joke is actually coaching this team, man. And this leads, and as much as he's been verbal in these huddles, and I can only imagine what goes on in practice in the locker room, that made me, the way he's acting now made me believe it been a problem with their coach that just got fired. The way he's acting, it seemed like the Joker

been wanting him to do shit. Definitely. For a while, and he ain't been wanting to do it. And this kinda led to his demise, but listen, man, Joker, 42 points, 22 rebounds was down the whole game. Was down the whole game. They actually got their first lead when the game was just about over with a few seconds left.

Listen man, listen, I gotta give this nigga mad credit. Shout out to Shay Gilders, the two finalists for the MVPs. You know we got Shay Gilder, Salazander, and the Joker. And I was saying to myself, Joker had like 40 and 20, and Shay had like 30 and 20, pardon me, 30 and 10, with a few minutes left. And I was like, damn, Joker numbers is crazy, but I'd rather take the 30, 10, and the victory. That's when I thought niggas gonna win. But the Joker ain't let them niggas lose. He didn't let them lose. The weakest link on Denver, the only weakest link, to be totally honest with you is Michael Porter Jr.

Everybody else, even Russell Westbrook came to contribute. We know with Jamal Murray braced to the table. It wasn't a spectacular night. Gordon actually had another buzzer beater because he had a buzzer beater the other night. Just a game winner. The nigga had a game winner with one second left Which made was actually made his legend grow like this two games in What the last fucking on week or so that he had a two game winners one was actually a buzzer beater

So when I'm looking at these numbers, it's a balanced attack. This is another game just like the Nick game Y'all let these niggas come back. Y'all was up 10, 12 the whole game, fourth quarter. You've had a steady lead, seven, eight points. And the last two, three minutes, y'all lost this game. Are we gonna blame it on inexperience? We can't keep saying that with OKC. Because OKC is still like the second and third youngest team in the NBA, but they been here.

They been here before, so we ain't gonna act like this is a Houston Rockets situation where they didn't have to experience like they just lost to go to state because me, and experience and you're going against veterans, not just veterans, championship veterans. But this situation is the same thing. You're going against champions.

When you say champions, you're talking about a champion and finals MVP with the Joker. You're talking about a champion and finals MVP with the Joker. You talking about a champion with Aaron Gordon. You're talking about a champion with Michael Porter. You're talking about a champion with Jamal Murray. These are champions. You cannot take your foot off the gas and the Joker wield these.

I listen, the Joker looked like a man that works construction. He just had his hard hat on pause and his lunchbox and he came was running niggas over. He wasn't getting no assist because they were swarming the nigga in the beginning. Four, three, four niggas around the nigga. I like to no matter of fact,

Stan look out for me because Joker had a lot of turnovers in the beginning cause they figured him out. But Joker ain't give up. Joker ain't give up. He was the one them niggas asked the whole game. The numbers speak for itself. I ain't gotta go through the numbers. But the fact that they didn't give up,

it was plenty of times when I'm sitting there saying to myself, this game is over. Five minutes left, it's over. Four minutes left, it's over. Three minutes left, two minutes. Oh, hold the fuck on. Not only that, check. You blew the game pause you pulled it blew the game you know when a nigga don't want to be on that free throw line that nigga the the okay

see the Thunder was up one point and check had two free throws and miss both of them and at the end of the, that's when Gordon went and hit that three. He didn't even need a three, but he hit the three. Check, you froze, you choke. Work on it. When I said, we was watching the game, I told Bezo and I told Church, I said, look, he gonna miss these free throws.

I know a nigga who don't wanna be there. You can tell a nigga when they start looking at the ground dribbling like, when they hit you with a... that ain't your regular routine when you go to the foul line. When you start doing all that, I said he gonna miss the street though. He don't want it. And that's what basically happened. But to be honest with you, Oklahoma City played a great game for 47 minutes. But too bad that it's 48 minutes in the game.

And then to answer your question, Jokic had seven turnovers. Yeah, I knew it was a lot. They were swarming the niggas. They was beating his passes, everything. But that nigga dropped his lunchbox and his hard hat, pause, and came in that fourth quarter and they quit.

And not only ain't quit coached them niggas Yeah, I need the footage and no kitchen and all the huddles not just two or three per game every huddle He's going crazy, bro He made another good decision to leave his self and pause when he had four files in the third quarter. Yeah Okay, and then to your point like we said Aaron Gordon has been doing really well He obviously had the game winner. So a quote resurfaced from him where he said, I'm doing everything I can to get Russ a ring.

So Mase, after hearing that, how are you feeling about that quote for him? Considering what we've seen? I like that. I like that one pause whenever, whenever teams are unstoppable, it's cause they're playing for each other. And this is one of those situations where you find a way to win. Cause like killer said, for 47 minutes, it just seemed like they could never get the league. Every time they get close, they get six points down,

five points down. Somebody come hit a big three, somebody get a breakaway layup. It just seemed like they just wasn't gonna win that game. It seemed like the guy that was coming off the bench was too fast. You know, he was getting buckets down the middle, getting fouls. Caruso was hitting threes from the corner from the side, pause. And then it just looked like they just had too many answers for every

run that they made. So this said a lot towards what we're talking about Gordon just stay with it, stay with it it you see Russell playing hard and It's look good to see Russell Westbrook, you know being effective in the playoffs because it's been a while since we seen them effective in the playoffs And if he went a ring, it'll be crazy Yes, you know Before y'all answer that you ought to give the bench for both teams. Carlos, Alex Caruso came in. He did a tremendous job, man. Really, really good job.

Laker still probably should miss that, nigga, to be totally honest with you. And Russell Westbrook came in and did a good job. Alex Caruso had 20, Russell Westbrook had 18. They kind of offset each other. But both these games last night was tremendous. But back to the actual question stat. Yeah, Mase is right. When you're playing for each other, that makes you want to go harder.

And those are the teams with camaraderie that most of the time win. When you spend time, I don't know what they do on and off the court, rival. We didn't see what they do on the court. But when you go to lunch together, when you go check on your man, what you doing today, what's happening, where you at? And fuck with each other, the chemistry builds, and for them to wanna win for us is dope, because we gotta think about this. Russell Westbrook gets a lot of,

the last couple years anyway, a lot of bad press because he doesn't shoot good, or he's not doing well with this team. He didn't fit in with the Lakers. They was calling on Russell Westbrook where he had to start checking niggas. Then the Clippers didn't work, then it didn't work at OKC, then he was in with the Lakers. There's calling on Russell Westbrook where he had to start checking niggas Then the Clippers didn't work then it didn't work at OKC then he was in Houston for a year So it's looking like he's a journeyman when he's a league MVP

when he had three seasons average in a triple-double and it'd be a travesty if we can't find one of these teams for him to fit in because he even went to the to the Situation forgot about the Wizards, he was there for a minute, but he even went to the situation where he said, you know what, in order was best for the team, I'm willing not to start. And that not just this year, the last couple years,

even when he was starting with the Clippers, it was him we talked about last season when we said, he was the one that told Ty Lue, I'll come off the bench, because everybody was sitting there thinking, damn, who's gonna come Lue, I'll come off the bench because everybody was sitting there thinking, damn, who's going to come off the bench? Somebody come off the bench. He took the initiative to come off the bench

because he wants to win. It's a lot of great people that didn't win championships. I hope Russ isn't one of those. I hope he's not the John Stockton, the Carl Malone, the Patrick Ewing, the Charles Barkley, the Reggie Millers. Because he, one thing about Russ, whatever you want to say him alone, to Patrick Ewing, to Charles Barkley, to Reggie Millers. Because he, one thing about Russ, whatever you want to say about him, good, bad, and different, he comes to put 120% in when he comes to work. He doesn't cheat the game. Okay. So another fun game happening tonight, the Warriors versus the Timberwolves. So

underdog has Steph at 26 and a half points. Do you have him higher or lower Mace? Underdog has Steph at 26 and a half points. Do you have him higher or lower Mace? He's gonna have to have 26 higher than 26 because last game he was pretty much a no show even until that end. But I think he bounces back and get higher than 26. Okay. This is a great one, 26.

See the thing with Steph is, Steph can explode for any time pause with a With a point fury flurry half time. He had five points last game then he starts off and um And goes on 11 nothing run by himself Now you got five points with 10 minutes left in the corner now seven minutes left in the quarter. He got 16 points This is a really tough one, because then another thing, we gotta realize stuff, thumb is injured,

and players are attacking his thumb on purpose, to where they're admitting they're attacking his thumb, on his shooting hand. I don't know, this is a tough one, because I don't know what they're gonna do defensively, far as Minnesota is concerned. We seen A-Men Thompson have, have, you know, to a certain extent,

be effective on defense with stuff. Stuff started cooking when A-Men went on the bench. Oh man, it's a really tough one, man. But I'm going to go higher than 26. Okay. Jimmy Butler's at 27 and a half points and assists. Do you have him higher or lower cam? Another tough one. Jimmy Butler.

I like, I like I said, I think Jimmy Butler is great on the scene and he's fitting with the golden state system, so to speak. But I don't like we're times to time where I just need Jimmy to be like, okay, so to speak. But I don't like with time to time, where I just need Jimmy to be like, okay, stuff is off, nobody's making a shot. Fuck the system, this what they bought me here for. Move out the way and let me get mine. He's been doing that from time to time,

but I know how that is. You all come into a new situation, you don't wanna seem like you taking the team over. Not only that, you already was perceived as a headcase before you got here Thinking that I'm crazy because every team he leaves it doesn't end up turn out to be a Good situation as far as him exiting the team. I Want to see Jimmy Butler do a little more to answer your question sad. I'm gonna go higher Yeah, I agree with everything Killer said,

but I'm definitely gonna go lower, because I think he'll have a good game. It'll be in the 20s, but I don't see him getting higher than that. Okay, and Anthony Edwards is at 40 and a half points. And that was points and assists? Points and assists only, yeah. How much, 27?

Yeah. He might get that So higher yeah, yeah, okay and Anthony Edwards is at forty and a half points rebounds anasys. Yeah, I'm higher Laura Mase. Hmm I'm gonna go. Hmm Points rebounds anasys Points, rebounds and assists. I'm gonna go low. I'm gonna go low. I think he has about 30, but I don't think he has the other things that go with it. I think they're gonna really be attacking the rim and attacking the rebounds so he won't get many of their.

And I don't see him as an assist king. I'm gonna go higher. I think the Golden State is a little fatigued. They just played seven games. Minnesota been rusting. And I think Golden State are rebelling, but I don't think that it'll be tonight. I think that tonight you're gonna see Steph play maybe about three and a half quarters. Hopefully we'll see longer, but I think if the game gets anything a little bit out of

hand towards the end of the game, that they gonna get them guys some rest. You gotta realize this series was over Sunday night. It hasn't even been 48 hours of a seven game series and you coming in to face some young guns that don't give a fuck about you at all. I'm gonna go high. Hey, make sure you're down in the underdog app and you can make your picks too.

So before we go to break, just have a question because I did kind of want to reflect on in a little bit. What happens and I know it's early if Ant-Man ends up sending Steph Curry home to adding that to his list. What do you think kind of happens to his legacy and how would you feel about that? I think I think and killing answer this a week, a couple a couple weeks ago if he sends LeBron home Katie home and now Steph then he becomes a new official king of the NBA because he's actually The person that sent everybody home that that really was on that on that level from the generation past

To me, that's how I look at it. If he could send LeBron home, he definitely could send Jai and them home and everybody else. So I think this is a real Thanos moment, where you just add another stone to the glove. That's what it's gonna be. Yeah, listen, what I'll say is this to Anthony Edwards, I like that. I like his not give a fuck attitude to be honest with you and

you sent KD home last year, you sent LeBron home. If you sent Steph home, it'd be great for his personal achievements. You ain't with no chip nigga. You ain't get to a chip yet. So you're not, for me, you're not, you're doing what you're supposed to be doing against a 40-year-old, against a 37-year-old, against a 36-year-old. It's going to be 37-year-old. These guys are still great.

They're still phenomenal players. But as a strong young 23-year-old, you're the first pick in the know. A lot of people, we are caught up on John Moran and forget Anthony Edwards was also a number one pick. You're doing what you're supposed to be doing. So I'm not saying that you're not overachieving, but as a number one pick, this is what you're supposed to be doing.

But if you beat Steph and beat LeBron, it's Shayah the Joker waiting. And then after that, it's gonna be whoever wins in the Eastern Conference. So you could beat all these people that's older that you're supposed joker waiting. And then after that it's going to be whoever wins in the Eastern Conference. So you could beat all these people that's older that you're supposed to be beating, but you're not going to, if you don't win the championship, you did what you're supposed to do. Do I think he's a phenomenal player? Absolutely. Do I think he's one of the best talents? Yes, absolutely. Do I think he's the best 23-year-old on the planet? Yes, but you have to win it all.

think he's the best 23-year-old on the planet? Yes. But you have to win it all. You can't get credit for beating the Asian niggas. You're beating niggas who already done it. You hear what I'm saying? We got to sit here and give a lot of credit because of nutrition, because the niggas taking care of their body, because niggas eating better. A lot of niggas was washed at these niggas' age, especially LeBron's age. We don't have a lot of niggas was washed at these niggas age, especially LeBron's age. We don't have a lot of 40 year old superstars. You don't have a lot of 37 year old superstars talking about stuff. You don't have a lot of 36, 37 year old superstars talking about Kevin Durant. We bring up people's ages all the time when they was doing the

people we grew up looking at when they was 33, 34 was a dub. We look at Dwayne Wade as one of the best players to some people out there. He retired at 36 and it wasn't a good ending. Like, he didn't end his flash. You know what I'm saying? He didn't end his flash. So with that being said, I think that I will give Anthony Edwards credit

for sending him home, but I'm not giving them all that the best player in the world. If you don't win, you gotta win. Yes, what do you think about 37? Yo superstar 37 year old recording, bro. I gotta call you back, man. This nigga, this nigga, Rich Paul, man. Yo, yo, let me ask you a question. We filming right now. What if it mayMan beats Stuff Curry, man? What do you think about his legacy? I was just making sure y'all was on the air.

Yo, listen, man, you don't want to say nothing? Y'all respect the craft, y'all working. If Ant-Man sends Stuff Curry home, what do you think of his legacy so far? Ant-Man is dangerous. All right. He's what you call a killer. Killer. OK. All right. I call you when I'm done, bro. All right.

A killer. That's a new one. Yeah. That's good, though. Those are true. And then how I feel about it, yeah, I think, I don't think we can make a statement until the end. I think we kind of have to see how the career plays out. Kind of like you were saying, when you

jump the gun too quick, you don't want to be quick on the new hotness. But he's definitely proven himself and he continues to do that. So I'm just excited to see what happens for him in the future, because he's one of the few people in this space and in this place to do that. So I'm just excited to see what happens for him in the future, because he's one of the few people in this space and in this place to begin with. So shout out Ant-Man for sure.

And to add on what you say, a lot of niggas don't want it. You can see niggas who got potential, but they don't want it. You get what I'm saying? Like, yo, nah, I can't do that with LeBron. It's LeBron. Or I can't get physical with KD, because I looked LeBron. I can't get physical with KD,

because I looked up to him. And the thing about it with it, man, you can see him talking shit to these people on the court, but when the game's over, he gives them so much respect. He'll sit there after sweeping the Phoenix Suns and say, my whole life I looked up to Kevin Durant. He's my favorite player. That's my favorite player,

so I'm gonna talk a little shit to him, but I got so much respect for him, but you don't see that on the court. Same thing with LeBron James. He'll sit there, you see the nigga pushing LeBron James, so I'm like, yo, what the fuck is that man doing here? He wrestling niggas? But after the game is over, he'll sit there and say,

over the summer at the Olympics, I learned so much from LeBron, and LeBron is stronger than me. He said that when he was pushing LeBron this past series, he said LeBron's way stronger than me, so I gotta just try and get a physical edge any way that I can. I like a nigga when it's on the court,

I don't got no time for none of the nice shit that I'm gonna say off the court about you. It's me or you, and it's my turn, nigga. You had yours. Right. And then after the win, he did a victory lap around the city of LA. Like I had seen that before, but that I think is cool. So I know people want to push based on the league again, at the end of the day, he's

going to want it. But one thing we know for sure is that he wants to play the game and he wants to be the greatest. So whatever happens after that, we'll see. Okay. So what will Lucas future be with the Lakers? We will discuss after the break. Welcome back.

So Luca is reportedly widely expected to sign a new Lakers contract at some point. So, in an interview, he said his loyalty now transfers to the Lakers and that he wants to stay in LA. It was asked if LeBron would sway Luca's decision and LeBron said, I know Luca knows how I feel about him and ultimately that trade happened for the future. That's not for me. Luca has decided what he has to do with his future. He's 26. I'm 40. So he can't be basing his career off me. That's just real. So Mase looking back overall, do you like the way Luca fits on the Lakers?

And then hypothetically speaking, do you like how he fits on the Lakers even if LeBron isn't there? This is going to be interesting. I actually like them on the Lakers better if LeBron isn't there. Um, this is going to be interesting. I actually like them on the Lakers better if LeBron is not there. Actually, I think it becomes more. Realistic that is his team. I think as long as LeBron there, you could say you're passing it, but it's still people, people can't see past the person that's been king the longest there

When he makes this decision I think he needs to make this decision based upon what the team is gonna be able to do around him After LeBron's exit because after LeBron exit, they don't have many draft picks. They don't have much People that they could trade people that could play with them. And I think if he plays another season with LeBron, it's pretty much could be the same thing unless they get a, they need a center. And I don't see how they get a center unless they let somebody play who's probably out

of the league playing in Turkey somewhere. That's probably where their best center will come from. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. The good thing about it is, first of all, LA is a very attractive city to get somebody to come play there. So you're not going to have a problem as far as the city's concerned. Taxes, they eat you up on taxes.

Taxes is ridiculous in LA. So if you're sitting there thinking you make him $400 million, you might as well chop that down to $200 million off the top. That's secondly. LeBron's going to say we're safe. LeBron actually, and I don't mean that in a rude way, in a sarcastic way I'm saying, because they asked him the other day his opinion on something I think right, you know the um after the game They lost if I'm not mistaken and he said something that's real sarcastic

he said don't ask me what I want because My man Anthony Davis asked for what he wanted. He was going to next week after he asked for a center and Because he wanted to play the four the niggas in Dallas. So I'm just gonna keep my mouth shut center and because he wanted to play the four the niggas in Dallas so I'm just gonna keep my mouth shut so I'm like you know that's being sarcastic but it's no it's real at the same time so with LeBron basically saying whatever the front office is doing these days they're not consulting with me like that so it is what it is as far as Lucas concern Luca is really the last couple years has picked up his assist

rate, but he's a ball dominant player. You got to think about if you want to be with somebody who wants the ball, let's just say of 70%, 65, 70% of your possessions that you have it, he's ball dominant. He's a point guard, not only the point guard, he's not fast, so he dribbles slow and takes his time until he gets the basket and the shot clock's winding down and then he's gonna shoot it. If he doesn't shoot it, he's gonna throw a sharp pass to somebody who can shoot it.

Do you wanna play with something like that? Pause. I think Lucas is great. I think he has the right to be first team, all NBA five years in a row. I don't know what's gonna happen this season. I think he's all world, but is he that good of a team player to get the team over the hump? We've seen them get to the championship last year basically off a lot of isolation play. They made some great

Adjustments getting some centers and some players at the midway point in the season I'm talking about Dallas that I'm talking about but They basically made it to the championship well for a lot of isolation from Kyrie Irwin point in the season. I'm talking about Dallas that I'm talking about but they basically made it to the championship for a lot of isolation from Kyrie Irvin and from Luca. That's how good both of them are individually. Is Luca gonna be able to be in the offense like Golden State with his motion? It won't stop moving. They're passing the ball. Everybody's going through. I don't see him being functional in the offense like that.

He's a ball dominant player. You're not gonna get rid of him as a Laker because he sells tickets. That's first and foremost, he sells tickets and niggas is in the business of putting ass in the seats. That's what it's really about. So I don't know where the Lakers futures holds. I know one thing though,

I wouldn't have wanted to lose Luka if I was Dallas, but if we're looking back at Dallas, and I know this is a Laker question, we got to look at the Nico nigger now. Because seriously, you think about this, right? And we're not going to fault him too much at this particular moment because Kyrie was hurt but the best ability is availability. If you're not available, that's just that. But you lose Luka, you trade Luka, and then you lose Jalen Brunson and free agency

You're not looking that smart right now Nico It's looking really bad because the niggas that you had you had Jalen Brunson You lost some over a few mil and I ain't gonna say and act like 10 15 millions a few mil But you see what you could have had it potentially in Dallas with this situation Am I putting Jalen Brunson over a healthy Kyrie Irvin? I don't know about that either. I like Jalen Brunson a lot, but that's a good question thinking about the age difference at this point.

But Kyrie is a different type of animal. But think about this, he had both them players which he doesn't have anymore and Kyrie is hurting they didn't make it to the playoffs. But it brought back to the Lakers. I have no idea what they're gonna do or How they're gonna do it like like Bezos said in this Bezos team Who do you really want if you're another team? You know, you're Austin Rees. I yeah, I would you think I give you my little cousin for You know I'm saying like yo

Which you what are you really gonna do? What do you got if you the Lakers? What assets do you got? I don't know, good luck. Not little cousin for Austin. What if, what if Luca end up back in Dallas with Kyrie and Anthony Davis? And it was just all a, a chess play. I think, I think that could happen

if he becomes a free agent. And I'm not saying that, well, I'm just saying the only way, let me rephrase that, the only way that could happen, Nico got to get fired. He is not fucking with that nigga. Ever getting life like, yo, I might come back, but he got to go. That's a trace you have to make at that moment.

Yeah, and then just to get a little bit more detail, so he has two seasons remaining on his five year, $250 million deal he signed with the Mavs, but the 2026, 2027 season is a player option. He's eligible for an extension, but isn't eligible for the max five year, $345 million contract he could have gotten from Dallas. So it's like at this point, kind of know he's staying with the Lakers, but they have to kind of make, make it make sense, especially with my next question.

Do you guys see LeBron stay? Is this is he is his contract up this year? I don't think it's I think he's an option, but let me double check for you. Yeah, he has his first year of his two year, one hundred and one million dollar contract with the Lakers. So he could become a free agent after this season or play out the second year of the deal and hit free agency. Oh yeah, I don't think that's, I don't even think that's a worthy of even asking right

now because he still definitely even got another son that's coming out of college that's playing out in Arizona. So I think, I think what happens for LeBron, he stays right in LA. He retires at Laker unless something really premier happens where he could be able to play with both of his sons. I think, I think that's the idea goal to see both of his sons transition into the NBA. I don't think right now he's chasing a ring at this point. I think it's just legacy time. And then really quick you're saying both sons at

the Lakers that's kind of what you're thinking. No, that's another team. You just think NBA in general? All of them at half court huddling, you know, the father-son moment. It's just great for the NBA, just like, you know, just for the eye, that's a great portrait to remember. That shit only gonna happen with the Wizards, nigga. All three of them at the same time on one team. So, if the Wizards wanna do it after that,

I don't see all three of them playing at the same time. To me, after this Luka situation, my personal opinion is a lot of players lost a lot of leverage to where the owners and GMs are saying, yeah, let's snatch this shit back. The players been getting a little too loose lately. They been getting out of hand, man. That's why I think LeBron's being sarcastic

when he said Anthony Davis said something and he was out of here. I think it's not just with basketball. I think itBron's being sarcastic when he said Anthony Davis said something, he was outta here. I think it's not just with basketball. I think it's happened just now with football, with Shadour Sanders. Niggas saying, listen man, these shitters done get outta here and these niggas done telling us,

dictate what the fuck they gonna do this, that and the 30 out here. Listen man, we own this shit and now niggas trying to tell us where they going and what they gonna do. I really believe that owners and GMs are trying to let players know that you don't run this shit, B. And we have to remind y'all that you don't run shit.

That's what I think that the NBA is going back to. Because we see players, and they're doing it towards the end of their contract. We've seen Jimmy Butler force his way out of Miami and I get it they had to do something because you don't want the contract to expire you don't get anything for them so you rather try and get some assets before the contract expires and he'd be a free agent but the end of the day we've seen James Harden do this a couple times and you see other players trying to do it as

well everybody's just not as good as James Harden and Jimmy Butler is executing their way out of other teams but the at the end of the day, I don't think the owners are liking it. And I think they're going to put their foot down and let players know it ain't like that no more. And then the last question regarding the Lakers Mace, how did you feel overall about JJ Reddick's coaching? I think JJ Reddick was really, really, really surprising as a coach. I cannot say I saw this.

I definitely thought he would be cool. I thought he would have like almost, how could I say it, freshmen, some freshmen kind of problems. But he definitely came in and coached better than some of the some of the veteran coaches. Even his schemes and different things that he was doing showed his basketball IQ. At first, I thought it was just something him and LeBron got together and put together. But as you can see him coach and I stand corrected, he know exactly what he's doing. And I like the fact that he wasn't,

he wasn't moved by the talent on his team. He actually tried to keep everybody accountable. Even got Luca to try to play defense. That was really interesting. I never saw anybody get to do that. Not Carlisle or anybody or a kid or anybody else. If I'm grading him for his coach in this season, I'm gonna give JJ Reddick a B. I think he did a really, really good job.

You gotta realize you have LeBron James, which that's first and foremost a job by itself. And I don't mean that problematic way. I think when I say that, I'm saying that his coaches are always going to be watched and monetized. Like, oh, he got LeBron, he ain't doing this. So he got LeBron doing that. I remember Mike Brown coaching the Cleveland Cavaliers when LeBron just got there. They say Mike Brown can't coach. Oh, he doing this telling niggas get out the way and let LeBron go.

Not only do you got a superstar, LeBron James, midway through the season you get another superstar, not just another superstar, first team NBA player with Luca and you got to manage those two playing time and their playing style and get that to mesh. Not only that, you're a brand new coach, you have to deal with personalities and what works with what, not just personalities as a as players and as a team who fucks with who who doesn't fuck who I got to get the fuck with this person when I stayed all this pause I'm talking about camaraderie not necessarily on the court not only that you got to see what files work together

this files work together this file this is all a played person with no NBA coaching experience and I think he did a tremendous job. Not only that, it's the Laker franchise. It's possibly the most popular franchise, definitely top five franchises with the Yankees and the Dallas Cowboys, the Celtics and the Lakers. You know, as in America, as far as franchises are concerned. So you did a spectacular job.

We seen towards the end when it was unraveling, when we knew that they were gonna lose to Minnesota, the real JJ Reddy came out when he started yelling at the media, when they was asking them questions. And he's like, what do you think? You don't think I talked to my assistant coaches? And he was getting mad. I said, there you go.

I knew he was out there. I think I've been waiting all season. They on the brink of elimination and he losing it. That's the only reason I ain't gonna give him a B plus, A minus, cause I see him start to fold. When the shit hit the fan, he started to fold in the pressure and the media. He started to lose it and scream on them.

But outside of that, I think he did a great job. Okay. That was good. When you say a B, are you thinking what? 80, 80 to 85? What number are you giving them? As a B. Like when I say A, B, C, D, that's really for y'all.

Y'all graduated. I took 65. I took 65. Yeah, that's how I heardall. Y'all graduated. I took 65. I took 65. All I need is 65 and Jim to be eligible. That's all I really cared about to be totally honest with you. I didn't care about passing all I need. I didn't care about passing my seven classes.

Four 65s and Jim so I could be eligible. After that I was good. You're saying four 65s and gym or you got a 65 in gym? I didn't have to go to gym because... Four 65s. What I'm saying is each class gets 65. 65, you need 65 to pass. 65 percent to pass. Just to pass, with a D. Yeah. That's not even part of my life. Yeah, so what I'm saying is... Yeah, that's why I was saying that. So you can have that conversation. Yeah, 65% and I guess that's a D what Mesa's saying. Yeah.

So what I'm saying is, to be eligible to play basketball, you have to have 65%. That's passing the class and you only have to pass four classes. So that's all I ever cared about. Once I knew I was passing the four classes with 65, and I didn't have to go to gym because I was on the team, because once you're on the team, you ain't got to go to gym. So I averaged 465 percent in each of my classes. One of them was home, I don't even count. I gaffled Spanish class, Spanish class, Ms. Webber.

She was a, que tu queres? Come on, Ms. Webber, with this shit. Then I was always good at math. Math always passed. And I don't know, I think I gaffled social studies, one of them classes. That's all I really cared about.

As long as I was eligible. Then when we lost, I didn't come back to school after the season was over. How are you getting 65s? How am I getting? Yes. What you mean? Like how, like you just weren't going to class at all. Sometimes I go, sometimes I don't.

Yeah, dude, just enough. My brain can't even wrap around that. Cause the thing about it is like people, like you're very smart. So I'm just like, how are you even getting a 65 to begin with? The thing about it is like people like they you're very smart so I'm just like how are you even getting a 65 to begin with the thing about it is that's what makes you more mad when you're smarter than your teachers they trying to tell you something it makes you angry actually when you're trying to tell her where am I gonna take this global history where

I'm trying to go I know we post're supposed to know. All right, I know the slaves. I know that Christopher Columbus came and jacked shit. All right, cool. Where else, where I'm trying to go, miss, is not gonna get me, this is not gonna help me. This is why on a serious note, that they need to bring that shit back, trade schools. Because you sit there and try and get people

to know seven, eight, nine topics, and none of it helps you. Stata's sitting here telling me and don't get me wrong and don't get me wrong she could go off and work at fucking Harvard anywhere ESPN fucking everywhere but you're up here with the 65 percent. Like you said I'm not no dummy, but I'm not gonna sit there for fucking eight, six hours in school day, and I know what I'm trying to do.

This is not gonna help me in life. I know how to count, I know how to read. I went to algebra, I stopped going to math when they started adding letters. I can't go to the bank with C minus D equal X. I'm not doing that math, because let me tell my landlord that. Now you with C minus D equal X. I'm not doing that math, because let me tell my landlord that. Now you know C minus D equal X?

I got you next, my nigga. Nigga, I'm not doing all that shit, man. You know what I'm saying? So I wasn't with it. So that's what happens, that. I already knew what I'd play. Look, this been planned out. That ass, this whole shit been planned out. It's gonna play basketball, we's gonna be rappers.

It worked. Yeah, it worked out. So what were your grades? I'm just curious. I got 1100 on the SAT though. Mase got left back, he was in school with me. But he shoulda graduated. I start there. Cause of age or your grades?

Maybe he's a year older than me. You can't tell me I was. I stood up. He got luck back. He was in school with me. Yeah, when he didn't throw me the ball, I went into a depression. I didn't come back to school. I couldn't sit in the school. That niggas put him in summer school. He ain't go. So I was school. I couldn't sit in the school. That niggas put him in summer school, he ain't go. So I was happy.

I'm like, you're my nigga back. I was going to be sad. That he wasn't there. I was dumb happy he came back. What? What? Yeah, so I had to walk. I walked graduation twice.

One time I had no diploma. They just gave the paper rolled up. So my mother asked where the diploma was. I told her, they working on it. They gonna send it in the mail. They messed my name up on it. They messed my name up. They said it was a typo.

Okay, so last question. When y'all weren't showing up, cause this is like wow to me. When y'all weren't showing up to school, they didn't come looking for y'all? No, we was like, we was at the school. We just wasn't in the classes. We was at the school though.

Yeah, we was definitely there. What did y'all do? Y'all just went to people like, like you at one class, you just went in his class Yeah, we was definitely there. What did y'all do? Y'all just with the people like, just like, like, like you at one class, you just went in his class and hung out with him for the day? It depend on some class. We at one class together. And then we got exits, we can chill in and chill in and chill in and chill in.

Yeah, and not only that, my grandmother ain't live far. We had people else that was in the neighborhood. Like so for instance, I never went to first period my whole life, ever. I've never been to first period ever in my life. My whole high school life, I've never been to first period. And I lived literally a five minute walk to the school and still wouldn't wake up one time, first period.

I used to lie and say, school don't start till 9.50. And we had a coach that used to come looking for us, so we had to be there when the class started, but after the class started we just, we just meet in the hallway. But to be honest with you, to Macy's point, with the coach that was looking for us, he was only there for like two months because he had his own personal problems. Once he wasn't looking for us, it was all good. And then don't get it fucked up. You got to realize the begging you have to do to be eligible, like, yo, they need

me on the team, man. Just give me a 65. They'd be like, I'm going to give you a test. If you do this test, they'll give you a little shit. I used to beg. I'm like, yo, I really didn't. I never went back to school after we lost to be honest with you. I remember my senior year We was 23, you know And I was like we gonna win everything we had a regular season lost in the first round of playoffs I went to Albany to my baby mother school start selling weed up there soon as the season was over I ain't never even come back. I'll just finesse the whole School year. Y'all just said, we wanted to be basketball players.

But like, we became successful rappers. Ayo, think about it, man. This niggas like Dexter Manley, who retired from football and said with college degrees, and said they can't even read or write. We can read and write and do all type of flash. And we got large room cabriolet, you know. We very, very well rounded.

Imagine a nigga who played 15 years in NFL and be like, you know what, enough's enough. I can't read and write. I don't know. I don't know. I can't count. I don't know where my money at. I don't know what's going on, man.

So yeah, thank God we're very articulate and we're very smart. But it's kind of like, yo, my nigga, to me, when you go to school and you just, you be like, yo, what's your major gonna be? Or what's your minor? And then you don't even do what you went to school to do. Like yo, my major's gonna be accounting.

You're a teacher. Like, you know what I'm saying? Your shit ain't even matching up. You went to school all these years to do some shit that you're not even doing. Then you get out of school like, stat, you're in a great situation. I'm also in my field. No, no, absolutely, absolutely.

But a lot of people aren't in their field. But not only that, you'd be in a great situation. You go to school all these years. Not many niggas I know graduate college, come home and live on their parents' couch or their cousin's house or whatever. Then they finally get a job. Then they gotta take the student loans out the check

that they had a job for. This system, wow, go ahead and do it if you want. God, it ain't gonna work out like that for everybody. It's just not. You gotta think outside the box. Not even just me, this doesn't work out for everybody. So for some people, make sure y'all go to school. That's all I'm gonna say.

You're like, I didn't go to class, I didn't do this or that. Y'all ain't fit to be rappers. Y'all ain't fit to be legends. That don't work out for everybody. I'm sorry. It just don't. It's just true. It's just true.

It's just true. Yeah, it's just true. Yeah, but you don't have to be a rapper. I mean, I did the same thing. I went to college for two years and was like, yo, this for the birds. Like, for real, then like all those people, like you said, they stuck with debt. It's like, yo, this for the birds. For real, all those people, like you said,

they stuck with debt. It's like, come on, man, the system is really, it's a slave meant. I vouch for it, because like I said, everybody's path is different, because like he said, we up here on the same desk. I went to a four year university, they didn't. I had a 4.4 GPA and honors,

and had a really high SAT score. They didn't, but it's fine, because we all up here. Hey, shit. It's that. 1,100? Yes. Yo, you ought to stop pumping that. I want you to go find those.

It's different for people. Go find those. Bring your SAT score up here. I'm tired of you with the 1,100, SAT. Killa know I'm borderline genius, Killa. You know that. Me too. No, because she acting like niggas got low grades.

That's because we didn't go, niggas. What the point being that you didn't go? I didn't go. I didn't go. I didn't go. I didn cause she actin' like niggas got low grades. That's cause we didn't go, niggas. But the point being is I don't need to be paper genius cause you can sit and figure some shit out on paper and I can ask you a bunch of questions

and you won't know the answer to the questions that I'm asking you. Do you know how many entrepreneurs, those people who were like, what is it called, cum de l'ata, whatever, top of their class, they worked for the entrepreneurs, the C students, yeah, like that's how we, you know. But I'm just saying everybody's path is different.

Steve Jobs and all them niggas quit, man. I'm just saying everybody's path is different. So like, just because you see success one way does not mean that's your success. So I'm just saying, figure out what works for you, because it won't work for me, it won't work for them. You're right, you're right, sir. And that's who you're with, so I'm just saying. No, you works for you. Because it's what worked for me, it worked for them. You're right, you're right, Shaq. No, you're right.

There's a bunch of niggas who ain't make it. That was rapid. That's what I'm saying. You ain't lying. Don't think that this is what's going to happen to you. I'm just saying. You're right. You're not.

You're hitting the lottery ticket. For real. For real. Yeah, all of us a lotto winners. Yeah. Yeah, for real. You are too, stat. Yeah, for real.

You hit the mega, mega buck. All of us did though. That's a good point, to be honest with you. Yeah, yeah. If you are too, stat. Yeah, for real. You hit the mega, mega, buck. All of us did though. That's a good point, to be honest with you. Yeah, all of us hit the Lotto. Very much so. I thank God about it all the time. Me too. The chances of what happened to us is like lightning in a bottle, for real.

It's slim to moment. Yeah. He couldn't, nobody could. There's just a lot of rappers out there, you saying? That's why I said that. Also we got a lot of blessings up here. So at the end of the day too, not to cut you off to be totally honest with you.

Like you said, all of us are very blessed and very lucky to be in the situations you are in. But everybody here and I can't vouch for stat, but studied and practiced the shit that they did to be where they at. It wasn't like nigga just said, it wasn't no end in there and you could just be like, yeah, I feel like, I feel,

I heard some shit over there, they say, I said, nah, you couldn't get away with that. You had to practice, you had to learn how to make songs, you had to learn how to make hooks, you had to learn how to count your bars, you had to learn how to do it over again, you had to learn how to perform at a show, you had how to count your bars. You have to learn how to do it over again. You have to learn how to perform at a show. You have to say, okay, one day this isn't going to work forever.

What's the next thing I'm going to have to do after this, et cetera, et cetera. So don't just think it's lightning in the bottle, like May said. It's lotto, it's all that, but it's work that goes into it. Was it definitely going to happen? I can't say it's safe, definitely will happen for everybody, even if you put the work in. But the work has to be put in as well. Yeah, and even though I can't compare on the music side, just on the journalistic side,

I studied, did a lot of hard work. I was making my videos from scratch, producing my own stuff. If you look on YouTube, I have TED Talk speeches up. I had been doing this for a while. It just translated in a different way. And of course, it's a blessing. I'm always thankful for the opportunity to be up here because this is the litest thing you go see and y'all know and y'all watch it every day. And listen, I didn't mean that in a bad way. I was just saying it from the mega, mega lot of reason.

These two came from rap to sports. Right. Yeah. I mean, to go that route to be like, I mean, you're like, wow. I mean, that's, that's pretty. It's dope. It's commendable. But you do what you want when you pop it. Yeah, it's still some stuff we study though. That's what Taylor was saying. That's even consistent on this side. We wouldn't be able to give the takes that we give had we not been students of basketball.

So it's just all of it coming back for fruition. That part. Okay, y'all. Well, that is all the time that we have for today. Thank y'all for watching. And as always, it is what it is. Thanks for watching!