IT IS WHAT IT IS - COACH PRIME COMPARED COLLEGE FOOTBALL COACHES TO BBL'S & IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE!

Episode Date: October 29, 2025

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Mace will be back, and today we are joined with our analyst, Maurice Claret. Mo, what's up, man? What's going on, baby? How y'all doing? Man, suit back on? Listen, man, you did the suit five weeks, black t-shirt, Connecticut, now you back corporate. I know what's going on. Corporate Columbus, moat. And then you get the trenches up in motherfucking in Connecticut, because y'all lost. last year this is the championship won't the championship look and you back in the great connecticut i dig it though man was good with you how you doing i'm great today my birthday

it's a great day happy birthday bro hey i'm happy you here man i'm happy you made it man yeah look i was happy that the show was actually on my birthday that's one thing i was looking forward to that no pun intended had to put on my birthday suit for y'all yeah that is Pause. Yeah. Yeah. Happy birthday, man. Yo, like I said, listen,

all of us up here outside of stat, been through some shit, man. You know what I'm saying? I just really want to tell you, man, that, you know, once in a while, I always bring up what you did in the past and so on, and I'm not going to do that today, but just to reach another birthday, another milestone in your life, man, much credited to you the way you are today

and from where you came from or what you've been through. And I'm just happy that you are part of what we're doing, man. Happy birthday to you, brother. Nah, I appreciate the message. Appreciate being part of the show. And one day, man, one day we would travel through the whole story, a lot of the milestone. The Youngstown Boys show a certain part or talk about certain parts of it.

But then in certain parts of the story, you can't really talk about to ESPA reporters because they just want to understand it. And one day after somebody sit down and rap with you about it. Yeah, I would love that. Because just, yeah, more people understand stuff in context. when you talk to somebody who dealt with street shit so absolutely 100 one day yeah let's get it done that's dope real quick maurice are you going to celebrate or are you chilling i mean i i i work a lot yeah so no i enjoy work so i'll do something with my kids later on and then later on in the night

to be pink horse power time so i'll celebrate there you go they'll make another one man you're getting another baby in there tonight baby she ain't ovulating i ain't gonna do that make sure they know avalachia going on because you never know never know man yeah like that's a rock you got two babies off the horsepower man hey well i'm done with the last one i said that's the third the third one was it was too much for me that the littlest one he three years old and man for you know raising the baby in your 40s different You know what I'm saying? You got the energy.

Yeah, I listen, man, I said that to myself. I said, yo, I have my son that I believe at the right time because I got to enjoy, you know, he became 18 when I was like maybe 40. So I get to enjoy all my 40s, my 50s, because, you know, I'd be talking to my nigger Shug, and I'd be like, yo, you know, if you have a baby right now, you're going to be a parent-teacher conference when you're 61. You don't know what I'm going to be 601? Nobody won't be a parent-teacher conference

since 61 years old. Man, do you have a baby right now, centers in the street. Sit up a baby right now, and then you're gonna be mad, grumpy at 59 on the monkey bars. Nobody won't be 59 trying to figure out their kids on the monkey bar.

I do wish one day they have kids. It's a great experience to have, absolutely, if you never had them, but it's just at a certain age. You're like, God damn, I gotta go to this talent show. my little daughter ain't got no talent i got act like some talented and shit yay go to games where you know your kid can't really play that well shoulder support i've done certain days you're like god damn man so we're like cheer man you know congratulations i have a good time tonight man

now we'll do inside note that is just a funny ass perspective because i've never even heard about it at from that angle but you're right i guess Yeah. Like, I'm gonna keep in real for you, Stan. You're 24. Yeah. You're thinking about it like this, right? If you had a baby today, if you can't have no baby today.

Yeah. But you probably be 25 if you got started today. Yeah. You're gonna be 43 with time you finish doing what you got to do. If you start today. I was 23 when I had my kid. 24, 23, 24, 24. But the point in being is, y'all running behind.

I'm telling you that right now. Yeah, you ain't play them games and wait until you 35 and 36 and 40. 22 and 40, telling you, it is, nothing. Yo, you know how much joy I get out of being like? Because when you're in your 20s and have a kid and all that shit, it's dope because, you know, you still moving around, especially if you're a couple dollars, you move around, you go do this, that, that, third.

You know, I'm like, man, this thing ain't get no playing time. I go, this football game. Yay! They can get in when nobody, when they went in 68 to 3, then your son get in for four minutes. Everybody got time for that at 53. You think he's ain't got time for that, bro. You got to think about this, right?

And I ain't trying to throw a damp on night. But I was thinking about this, right? How are you turning today, Mo? 42. 42, yeah. Yeah, but Tom, Moe, done he's 62, 63. Sorry, Moe, what I'm just saying? This is...

That face. Not because I'm sitting here thinking, like, my brain isn't even in the kid conversation at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, like, say I did have a kid at 30. By the time they're 20, I'll be 50, but it's just like, there's so many things, like, because then I feel like I'm putting things on a whole,

I don't know. Things will happen the way they're supposed to happen, but my brain can't even go that far. But when he brings that up, I'm like, yeah, whole. Yeah, but see, Moe got a few kids that, because he'll have a, his daughter. I got a sophomore college. Yeah, I'm just about to say,

he's gonna have kids, yeah, brother. How, your youngest is a girl? No, so I got two young boys, a three-year-old and a five-year-old, the young boys. Yeah. And then I got a 19-year-old in college. But to your point, I grew through the years of watching my daughter play basketball and going through the whole morale of, like, you know, going to the game. Your child may not get all the playing time you want the child to get.

So I actually did myself something better. I said with my kids, we're focusing on business. Yes. So I said, I can kind of control that because I got some shit moving down the right track. Right. I don't know if they're going to be as athletic and as hungry as I am. So I'm not even going to put that, that, that, that burden life. Yeah, that burden on them.

Yeah, I get it. Yeah, I just said, we're going to focus around business. I'm going to bring you around the coaching staff. If you want to do that, if you want to be a general manager of the team, if you want to learn about business, I'm going to just keep you in those environments. And so that's what I did to not even get them hooked on sports. If they want to play, play, play cool. But we're not about to be like, you ain't got to get daddy out of the hood of the moms out of the hill.

We ain't going on that path. Right. Okay. And again, happy bird. birthday, Maurice. But let's get into this quote from Dion. So in a recent interview where he addressed the high profile firings of coaches like Brian Kelly, Bill Napier and James Franklin, Sanders compared firing a coach to getting a BBL. He said, you can get a BBL. You can come in here flat as I don't know what and leave thick as a snicker. He was using this comparison to people looking

for quick fixes. So Maris, what are your thoughts on this? I tell you what, I said, man, this dude, this too prime got away with words. Because I'm pretty sure. So I said, I'm pretty sure my entire time with football, I ain't never heard nobody make an analogy with a BB. So I said, one man, prime got away with words. But I do, I do agree with him that, you know, in the era that we had, nobody even considering. development. And what he's really talking about is that you've had, you know, seven or eight firings from major college coaches. And so he was standing in the solidarity and defense of the

coaches like, hey, man, we don't even want to see the process working self out, right? And you can understand the situation that he's in also where he got things to work out. But, you know, we look at everything in a microwave where you think that, you know, people are supposed to be good right away and things are supposed to be a result right away. And he was making actual comparisons to society, like, you know, you can get Amazon right now. And if you want information, you can get it right now. So he was for anybody who didn't see the clip, he just gave gave so many examples of things that you get right now, but you can't view sports through that same lens. And so that's what he was saying, but the BBL comment was real silly to me.

Yo, yo, so break this down real quick, why, why was he, how did, what's the, because I didn't see the clip. Yeah, I give you context. So you've had LSU, you have Florida, you have Oklahoma state and you probably had seven or eight major colleges Virginia Tech they all fired their coaches my season you've never seen anything like this not to not to cut you all now you know maybe I didn't get I didn't really see me too much detail why did the L.S. Coochoolems parmy LSU coach get fired he's fucking with a bitch or son no no no he just wasn't winning and you know yeah LSU was the only uh college or the only major college in Louisiana.

And so they sort of run the state and even actually. There's not where the bitch is going on. I'm going to try to find it. No, they're saying that if that's new news to me, if it was, but this wasn't that. He just wasn't one in. Yeah. And so you had all of these major colleges sort of getting rid of their coaches real fast. Gotcha.

But they were trying to put Dion up under the same gun. Like, yo, we've seen people get buyouts for 90 million. We've seen people get bios for 70 million, even though they just gave you 15. like do you think that you'll be bought out or that they'll be patient with you because everybody's been getting fired because of you know people want people to win real fast so he was basically saying that hey you know with sports like i'm pretty sure with music you just can't go make a great album or go make great records just because we think that you can like there's a process to development and he's saying with athletics you still have to develop people you still have to you know have some sense around that and that's what he was saying but he was like making a comparison to a BBL. Right, okay, I totally understand that, I get it. Yeah. Yo, listen, man, Coach Prime, man, that nigger,

I see why he's rapping when he's playing football. That thing got bars, yo. That nigger got crazy bars, man, yo. I like, I love that comparison, because I like what you just said too, Mo, is that microwave, sometimes when you put it in the oven, it's delicious, but niggas is so hungry, they can't wait.

They just pull his dick is like, damn, I got to wait for my stove to heat up and put it in there. I can just pop this in the microwave and it's two different tastes. But you still get full. So I understand. You know what I'm saying?

So I totally get what Coach Brom is coming from. Niggins said, yo, I'm tired of trying to do squats and go to the gym and eat healthy and eat grits and open me. I want a fat ass next week. I ain't got time. How many squats I got to do? And I keep eating all this grits and steak and all this shit.

My shit just not getting plump. I get that. I get that to the team. But to Coach Brown's point, we are in a society where niggas do not want to wait nine months for a baby. We are in that type society like, yo, is it a way we can just pop the shit out next week? So I ain't got to wait.

Oh, the whole nine months. much, they're gonna try and vent that some. I bet you they do, but that's just society. We are very impatient, short tension spared. We cannot wait for anything. And it's just sad. Look, what's that nigga name? Like you said, Ma, I see the Nick, even though

they're supposed to win that thing up there at Penn State, right? There's Keying that, that nigga, right? Yeah. Yeah, that nigga fucking lost the whiteout game and all type of shit, nigger. Cairin, we're supposed to win. And when you think about LSU, right, let's think about this, right? And you know better than me, because, Mo, you keep up with college football better than I do.

It's how it matters. And I'm not saying recruiting doesn't matter now with the transfer portal status in there right now. Maybe she could tell me about the niggas that's going on in the transfer portal. Transfer transferring NIL, recruiting, all that counts. But when you think about LSU, right, and I don't know, you know bad than me. because you're in, you know, Ohio State, you're in the top 10 every year. But let's think about the last time

LSU won. Who was fucking playing? Joe Barrow. 19. Justin Jefferson. Jamar Chase. These is niggas at the top of the NFL. Like, this wasn't a regular group of niggas that was just randomly playing at LSU.

This was the top of the top. You got two. Who are the top five receivers in the NFL right now? You had a quarterback that's a top five quarterback, potentially top three or four quarterback in the NFL right now playing for LSU. So you're not going to get these generational talents that you had every year. Now, don't get me wrong, every year people go to the NFL from college. Even like if you sit there and think about,

your school, y'all think he's probably got dozens of players every year. I don't know, at least 10, 12, 15, maybe 20 players a year. But they're not all notable names. Some may be linebackers who are going to get a good check. Some may be a quarterback going to get a good check. You know, everybody's not Marvin Harrison, Jr. You know what I'm saying? So at the end of the day, I can't say and say what LSU was doing

and LSU wasn't doing. But God damn, the last time they won, they had fucking superheroes on their team. Real live fucking superheroes. You know what I'm saying? So the coach prime point, man, I'm sorry that it's going like this, but I don't think that's just football. I think that's society. And that's why he related it to a BBL.

I want to patty next week, I'm a bitch. I want to say it is a great comparison because like even just life, I feel like back in the days, I'm talking about back in the days, back to the days that I can remember, everybody wanted to be a doctor. Everybody wanted to be like those type of occupation. that you know made a lot of money specifically even just like anesthesiologists because you would look and you seen that they're making this amount of money in a year things have switched people want to be influencers people want to be streamers because they know this is a way quicker way for them to make so much money in a short span of time am i saying it's right no but if you see that there's a quicker way to get to your end goal that's it's going to happen that's the number one i forget what i was

watching this may have been eight nine ten months ago The number one occupation for preteens and teenagers is to be influences that I felt so sad. I felt bad when I watched that shit. I said, I know Asia, China, they're going to come get us. I think my son is safe, but the next generation after that, yo, my nigga. Niggins going to come get us, my nigga. And Americans enjoy it now. I tell you right now, I'm enjoying it.

Y'all better enjoy it because tickets is lining up to come get us. You ever see the movie, Salt? It's gonna be on a never level. They are plotting and planning, and I have no facts to this. But if the number one occupation for preteens and teenagers is to be influencers, it is bad. Ain't no motherfucking IG, ain't no motherfuckin' Snapchat,

all that shit they ain't in China. They got their own shit. Because they ain't letting you influence their kids and what they got going on. They will not let you in, what's the word? I'm looking, invade. Invade what they got going on because it's a plot and the plan. Let them things keep on the be influencers.

They ain't going to know how to work a drone and shit come drop on it. Oh, damn. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, man. I don't wish it. I'm American. But I see the stupidity. And when that's, that's the wrong word to use. I don't want to use the word stupidity.

I get it. Less work, make more. but who's going to do the real work when it's time to be done i'm i'm a person like that and i'm not saying influencer i want them nigger uh work work smarter not hard to ask niggas and if that's smarter to make money i get it but it's going to talk about real occupations that run the world that run the country right right real goods and services and right not i get exactly what you're saying yeah it's also like i get it i want to ask y'all this How do you think that appeal comes back or you just think it won't because it's like when you're seeing how fast things can change and even down to like we're seeing now athletes are okay with like dropping everything that they've ever worked for to become rappers. Because they're like, okay, if I get a viral song, this might be the thing that takes me to the angle. So I don't got to play for five, 10 years and like put work and weary on my body and down to the influencer thing. Like, okay, I can drop a quick little viral clip and I can make money off of that.

that. You're talking about the ball nigger? I wasn't even talking about him specifically, but shoot, it was his, it worked for him. Did it work? He's, I feel like it works if you're getting booked consistently. And he is getting booked consistently, so I'll give it to him. But it doesn't work for everybody. But was he in the NBA though?

No. It's a good out of Plan B though. This is Plan B, man. That does go back to the Plan B. Plan B, man. but yeah no but you right no i mean you have to be grooming people for the next political generation next medical generation next accounting like all of like whenever you see all these baby boomers get old they're vacating positions they're vacating small businesses small

businesses is basically what runs the country you know i'm saying um all of these real estate developers and investors and really we're in debt so much to china and all of these other foreign nations now like all that stuff is actually going on now all of like if you look at home investment is brought about bought up by private equity that the funds are owned by people out of europe and all across the world but all that stuff is going on now and if you're telling me and this is a whole different conversation but like cam is right like if you have people focusing on hey i'm just going to invest my time into these platforms to entertain to make a couple bucks like you're not building the next group of people to help like keep the infrastructure in place you know but

and i don't want to turn this into a political conversation because it goes somewhere else but i get what you saying yeah you're 100% right low think about this man i mean listen your phone to tell you how many hours you spend on it every week you're looking at you like god me no when i looked at my shit i was like damn i was on this motherfucker eight hours and somebody was like, what? My shit was 59 hours. I'm like 59 hours on the motherfucking phone all week. Liggas be on their phone.

Yo, I thought, yo, I thought seven hours was a lot, my nigga. It wasn't nothing. But then you sit there and look at some of this shit, right? I see people exploiting their kids for content. You know, I sit there and watch this shit. I be like, yo, this is one little girl who curse her mobile out every fucking day. I hate it, but I can't start watching it. I'm like, where's the mother going to slap the shit out of this bitch one day?

Little Amelia, I think her name is, man. Not Amelia. Yeah, because she just said, shut a bitch, the mother. The mom's like, oh my God, you see what I have to deal with. I'm like, this gotta be for content. They gotta be monetizing this shit. But it's well disrespectful. But they sitting there saying, fuck it.

She paying my bills. Mom grabbed me about $4,200 a month. My rent, $1,200. Phone bill. Yeah, that's good. You know, Amelia, curse me out one more time. time, we're going to get some more money. And that's kind of the society

that we're living in right now, not with everybody, but I'm just saying to Moe's point and to what I was trying to say, and I think Mo articulated it better than I did, what is the next few couple generations going to do when a nigga going to be a nail, a hammer,

and a sword, they're like, what I'm supposed to do with this? AI can't build this building. Let me get to find an AI. Maybe they will. Maybe they'll find some machines to start doing shit like that but for us people getting doing it personally i don't know now shifting from football to basketball we got to talk about the lakers so austin reeves dropped 51 points in the lakers 127-120s win versus the king so how do you feel about the state of the lakers right now and marise

how far do you think the lakers can go as long as luka and lebron are injured oh man well i don't know I enjoy watching Lakers. I think, you know, everybody like watching them on TV if you just, you know, enjoy playing, watching basketball. And I was surprised to see him have back-to-back nights like that. To be honest, I've always looked for Luka sort of be like the premier player or the guy that they'll be feeding shots too. But obviously, since LeBron isn't playing, you know, you have to have somebody else to

contribute outside of Luka. But in the West, I don't think that they'll get too far. You know, I don't know if they'll be competitive. have come down the pipe via with the pause with um uh Houston and also okay C is seeing seeing those two teams earlier uh the season even though it was a game or two that we see I just don't see that they have the pieces to be competitive with them uh obviously like everybody else everybody's waiting to see what goes on with lebron and this is not a knock to him but I'm not even sure even with lebron back into the pitcher that the west has a chance or that

the lakers have a chance to uh to win the west uh but kudos to him I know everybody have talked about Austerese over the last few years and I just know it's a huge confidence builder when you go get you know 51 and 41 points back to back and then you have Luca in the potential with LeBron but they have to figure that thing out internally with him but I don't even think with LeBron inside the picture that the West or that they'll be in championship contention unless they make some massive trades before then yeah white nigger doing his thing like you think I always do his thing that ain't to me it's not about Austin Rivers scoring 51 or 41 over that.

What? Reeves, sorry. Austin Reeves. My bad. Austin Rivers, fuck he at. You don't know why he's on my motherfucker. My bad Reeves. I don't know why the fuck Austin Rivers popped into my head.

Pause. But yeah, Austin Reeves, pardon me. It ain't about him score 51 or 41. It's about the kick. Look, you know you got an outstanding one scorer in Luca. It isn't just this year. Last year, Austin Reeves shows some light when LeBron wasn't playing that he could get numbers. We know what LeBron can do. We've been watching them for 200 years. We know he's good. It's the chemistry. Can all three of those players play together and make

the Lakers better than what they've been in the last few years? You know you got a nigger in Luca. Luca played the first two, three games. He's averaging close to fucking 42, 43, 44 points. I don't know. but he had outstanding numbers the most points by a Laker in the first two games ever and we think about all the Lakers that's been there over the history of since the Lakers

been a franchise and you know what LeBron does now we see for the last couple years what Austin Reeves does but I don't see that be a complimentary basketball to each other Lucas ball dominant we see this year I was really

surprised of course as many points this scored when he's getting Aiton involved and I'm like damn Aitem is getting wide open shots at the basket you know I'm not a big Aitin fan but this year it was look Luca had me liking Aiden a little bit I don't like the color of his dye of his hair I don't sell I never seen a nigger die they hair the same color as they skin so now it just looks like you got the same you got skin braids because yeah skin is the same color as the die the 420 dye in his hair I don't get it. That's a fashion topic. We'll worry about that another day. But I'm just talking about

the chemistry of those three great offensive players. Will it equal wins? And I'm not sure that it will. Because Austin Rees has done this before. Maybe not 51 points. We know he could score. That's why the Lakers gave him that chicken. He got that chicken because he could score. You know, while LeBron got paid, we see what Luca can do. I don't see the chemistry. And maybe I'll be wrong, but we have yet to see LeBron got a few weeks. back, Luca, he lost all that weight all summer, and I don't even know how he's hurt. Like, niggas is injured.

This, niggas played 16 minutes this whole season. I'm talking about everybody. It's a niggins in the building. They fucking first game, O.G. in the nobody grabbing his leg. Ow! What y'all niggins are doing all summer, man? Y, niggins need milk paws, man. They're in here with this Nick hat on like they're killing.

No one, they're just two and two last, second in the division, really undefeated. Listen, man, I can't say and say, anybody get hurt at any time, but these little nasty injuries, and the niggas sent told me actually, yesterday when the Knicks lost, now they're a little tired.

Yo, it's the fourth game of the season, Mo. The fucking, niggas tired. See, niggas don't do the right thing in the summer. Niggas be bullshit in the summer. I ain't gonna focus on sending the Knicks, you know, he's my peripheral right now, so I see him. But the point being, it's all jokes aside,

the chemistry, the karate, for the Lakers, I don't know if that's going to be there. As far as Austin Reeves, holding it down while LeBron and Luca is out, it depends on the schedule. I don't have the schedule in the front of me. It depends on who they play. But I don't see this to agree to most point. Even with all three of them, my opinion, they don't go too far.

They playoff team, but doesn't get out the first round. Just to answer your question. Just going to go over the next games really quick, before you go Maurice, and then Cam, if you want to also add. So it's the Timberwolves, then the Grizzlies, then the Heat, then the Blazers, the Spurs, then the Hawks.

Timberwolves? Yeah, Timberwolves, Grizzlies, Heat, Blazers, Spurs, Hawks. Maybe, maybe the Blazers, you know, Ant Man is not gonna let Austin reads to do that, and that's what Ed Man's not gonna do. You know, and then John Moran, I don't think he's gonna. I'm gonna let that happen.

And I don't soon is upset. You know what Wimby out here doing. Niggas better get back. I don't know that. She will win, when, when I'm doing out here, my niggins. Your facts, word up, man. Somebody's mad. Yeah.

I'm sorry. The reactions are crazy. You're all right. Sorry, man. So, yeah, man. So that's my opinion. opinion, but yeah, we'll see what happens.

Mogad, you have something to say? No, I was just saying, there's an old thing that, like, you know, when you drop way too fast in anything, you're injury prone. So when you talk about Luca being injured, there's a good chance that he dropped a bunch of weight too fast to get in as good as shape as he is. And so they say you lose a lot of muscle mass when you do drop weight very fast. And so I can see that being an issue or some sort of an issue,

but that's the same thing with Zion. on anybody who drops weight. Or like, you know how like when boxers drop weight real fast, they're a little bit weaker than what they typically are because they dehydrate themselves and just do it an unhealthy way. Yeah. What I'll add, first of all, I mean,

congrats to Austin Reeves because I feel like he plays best in these moments when he's the main person on the court, which I mean, if you're one of the better players, of course that would happen. But I feel like as long as Austin Reeves is a Laker playing with LeBron and Luca, he's always going to be overshadowed. So it's like, okay, cool,

we're seeing these 40 plus point gains from him, but is that going to continue on once, you know, the rest of their team gets more healthier? I'm not really sure. I would hope so because that would help the Lakers, but I feel like a lot of things are unpredictable, especially because obviously like the Lakers is one of like the best overall franchises, but they just have so many injuries that they just obviously can't control. Like even like they're starting five, like we know Jared Vanderbilt, but he typically gets injured. Same with Hachimora, DeAndre, and kind of don't really know where things go like that. They already have Luca out.

They already have LeBron out. Their second center, Jackson, Hayes, like they just have too many injury problems. So it's like, I don't know if they'll be able to sustain winning as the season goes on. Because how durable are these guys going to be as it progresses for them? So it's like, cool. This is great flashes at the beginning of the season. And we're hoping that everybody can come back and be healthier.

But at the day, the team that's the healthiest with the best players is the one that's going to win. And I just feel like they struggle with that a lot, especially not even just this season, I would say last season as well. So hopefully they could kind of figure that out. Because like Cam was saying, like, what is happening in the off season for these players to come back and then get injured so early on? So I don't know, if they can figure it out. But Austin Reeves is the good old American white boy from Arkansas could play well. But I just don't think he'll ever be at that level. And in those types of conversations, I think he's just going to have a lot of good nights.

Hopefully he'll continue to have good nights. but I don't know how long that's going to stay. That's what I'll say. So with that, and obviously we know LeBron is still injured, do you guys think this may be the start of LeBron losing control of his career for the first time where you just think that that will never change, Maurice? Yeah. And when I put the question together, that was what came to my mind.

So, you know, when everybody asks the questions about LeBron, like everybody seems to, like, criticize him from the fact, criticize him from the same, like, vantage point. And sometimes I always ask, like, is everybody asking the right question or just, you know, are we, have we not thought about something else? And it just made me think about LeBron's situation that this is the first time that somebody's influencing how, I don't say how he goes out the game, but they're not about to let him control the team that much more.

And I think that's what the whole, this is just my opinion, too. There's no fact checking to this. It's just my opinion of how things are going. But I think everybody talks about the sciatic nerve and they're not believing that that's a thing. And I don't have an opinion one way or another. But I do see, you know, the new ownership group who's taken over to Lakers. I can see somebody coming in from a business standpoint and said, hey, man, if we're to run any business, we can't have the employees dictating what the ownership group does. And so we have to kind of control his contract and dictate terms to him.

And I can see sort of like a struggle of power with that. And mind you, that's, you know, nothing factual. It's just my assumption that if I invested a bunch of money into the team, I wouldn't be invested money into the team in allowing the people who are on the court to dictate how these things go. And how it turns out, I don't know. But that's just my opinion as to what we're watching. And this may be the first time that LeBron just doesn't have ultimate control

on leverage is because he doesn't have as many years left to play basketball. I think that LeBron will leave the game before he loses the control that he has. I think him and Rich Paul, they've been in clutch sports. They've been in so much control so long that if it did get to a point like Moe was saying that, I don't have no facts of what I'm saying either. This is my opinion. The niggins be like, I'll be out. I don't give a problem.

Where are you like crazy? Bye, see who's your next star? Like, we've got a bunch of stars that we can look at moving forward in the NBA. Mo has a great point because you got to think about this. Lakers about putting asses in the seats. organization. And they found a great superstar with Luca Dantis for the next era

after LeBron leaves whenever LeBron decides to leave. But as far as LeBron one of them situations like, yo, you ain't heard, LeBron got traded to the Wizards. I think LeBron occurred before niggas start trading him all over the place.

And I don't mean no disrespect to Chris Paul, but, you know, shit like that. Like, I turn on TV, you just see his nigga in a random Jersey somewhere like, oh shit, I ain't even know a nigga played for them nigga. Oh shit, oh, shit, they play me back with the clippers. Oh, shit, Chris.

And I don't mean disrespectful, you know, because sometimes we play with it, but, you know, sometimes you just don't know. You know, sin was showing me some shit on Instagram where DeAndre Jordan dunked on somebody and the Boston coach is in the huddle and he said, yo, this thing ain't have a job four days ago. You let this nigga dunk on you?

It's coming off the streets. and just out here playing basketball. I think that that's where, before I get to that, Bron, it'll be like, y'all kiss my ass, get the fuck out of here, y'all wilding. But, you know, I'm not saying nothing bad or wrong on what I'm about to say. When you think about somebody like Bronny, right,

we see the power as well. And I'm not talking about his playing skills or anything like that. I'm talking about where an agent can sit there until 30 teams, Don't touch him, even if you think about it. He's only going to go to the Lakers or the Phoenix Sons, and outside of that, you're wasting your time.

They're like, God damn, and then it happens. I'm not saying clutch sports don't do their thing, because they absolutely do their motherfucking thing. You know, shout out to the staff over there. But this, like, bra, like, y'all, you know how long ago, Brown said he wanted to play with this, said shit about seven years ago. Niggas, I remember a nigga was saying the shit.

I'm like, listen to all this motherfucking mind talking about, how you gonna play ball with a son when the rumors was coming out. When nigga was in, when nigga was a toddler, you just talking about, ya, I'm gonna play ball with my son. I'll play ball with my son. Then the nigga really played ball with a son.

Niggins don't wanna let that kind of power go. They can say, yo, thank y'all, good night. Fuck y'all, niggas, I have fun. And I'm going on to my next portion of what I'm gonna do in my life. I don't think they wanna let that type of power go. So I'll say this, so I can, I can agree with one.

100% with what you're talking about. But what I was asking was like, is even though he wouldn't go for it and it's just the beginning, but the only reason I asked for it because I said you just had this new infusion of money. And it ain't Jeannie Buss no more and all of her controlling power. And I know she still has the managerial control and she was fighting for that. But like, if I gave you $9 billion, this going on how I say go. Like you're going to sit there. You're right.

Yeah, that's that's how I was thinking about it. but I also believe, like, I also want to kind of support what you're saying. You know, I think that what you're saying is right, and I think when I'm saying is right, you're looking at it from the ownership point, and I'm looking at it from LeBron's point. So I'm not, what you're saying as an owner is 100% right. And then I'm saying on the, chew on another foot,

I dig it, 10 billion, you got to do what you got to do, but I ain't got to do what you got to do. So I hear you, nigga, but I'm going to step to the side. I made me a couple billion myself went in the process, so I think that you're 100% right. Nigger invest $10 billion? You know, come on, we can't have niggas telling us what to do.

But at the same time, like LeBron, like I can't have niggas telling me what to do. You know what to do? You know what I'm saying? So I think they were both, like I said, none of us have facts that even one of this, but I get what you're saying. I think you're 100% right.

But I just think that's how LeBron and look, man, if the Lakers want to sit there and trade LeBron, to, you know, I'm being, to fucking, to the Wizards. You know, I'm just thinking that's probably worst team I can think of right now. Well, I think LeBron will be professional and say, go over there and play a few games and be like, my toe hurt.

And then be like, yo, Rich, figure this out. Because if you think I'm going to play more than three games in Washington, I'll just say, fuck the whole shit and start doing, I try to get my ownership on. That's just my opinion. Yeah, that's a good point. I agree with that too. Okay, so we got an interesting quote from Jeff T. He says that the Hawks need more dark skin players. He said, it's not about being racist. We need somebody with some grit, anger, or something. I swear to God, we need an Isaiah Stewart and we need one wing that's a little more aggressive. We got a lot of finesse players, like Prazingis is a finesse player. Jalen Johnson is a finesse player. We just don't got nobody who's kind of like a grit. I even like a Marcus Smart type of player, somebody who might foul somebody. for real so maurice do you agree with that statement and then how do you interpret what he

say because i think sometimes people get the wrong little meshes from that what do you think yeah i i understand the context of a podcast uh the 520 podcast and they joke a lot and he's uh he a very funny dude him and all the dudes uh from indianapolis and so in context like if you grew up in the hood if you grew up around hood shit everybody had like the one dark skin dude who was just like mad aggressive or you play sports with just dudes who was like that he was more so speaking like that but you know in the era of the internet everybody gets offended and they turned it into you know who needs a slave master when you have you know athletes talking like this and then you know once that narrative got pushed on the line everybody started talking about like that but

it was just him no king and them just playing on if you grew up in the hood you just had you know different scenarios where you know whether you make it jokes about light skin dudes or dark skin on Dilloo's and who tough and all that stuff. So I took it as that, but people made it more than what it is. I think, like, you know, once you had, you know, that the mob of, you know, who needs

the white man when you got black dudes talking like this, it just turned into something else. But I took it as them joking, but you would have to watch their show on a regular basis to know what they're talking about. Yeah, look, I like Jeff T. I think he's very funny. I like them as a player, too. I think he's very funny.

When we said this years ago, we say it every year, we said it last week, we said two weeks ago. I just was talking about niggas with the hair. But, like, what? I'm not saying they're taking our shit or nothing like that. I wouldn't accuse Jeff Teager that. I could pull up 92 clips from this show, but we say there's too many light-skinned nicks

and niggas need some dogs. Murder says it. I'm not gonna comment. I'm saying, Arthur. I like that deaf teeth. It has been said multiple times, just add that. Mesa said the curly hair, the gel, came and talked about the fits, the tunnel.

I'm just sharing. Yeah. But I will add. I think niggas try to trigger me with that. I ain't gonna feed into that. That's the setup question. I ain't gonna do it. like joe we are going to go to break when we return we will discuss why certain coaches struggle

don't go anywhere welcome welcome back now let's get into our welcome back now let's get to our underdog picks of the day tonight the pelicans will play the nuggets underdog has yokech at 26 and a half points do you have them higher or lower can't just the pelicans yeah yeah we're gonna go higher okay jamaul murray is at 23 and a half points higher or lower mom murray i'm gonna go lower he really turned up towards the end of the season and playoff time man he starts off slow we're gonna go lower for jama Okay, and Zion, 34 and a half points, rebounds, and assist. Do you have them higher or lower?

See, Zion, you know, Zion, people see his highlights and confuse that with numbers. That's why Underdog is great at what they do, because they know that that's probably around exactly what it's going to be, but I'm going to go lower for Zion. Okay. Make sure you out download the Underdog app and you can make your picks too. So we've seen that great players and sometimes big names. game players very rarely have success with success in coaching in football and basketball. So Marisse, what are some things that you assume they struggle with when coaching? From being around one thing that I believe that coaches who are very, very talented and very good at,

and I think that people have noted it was a struggle with Michael Jordan when he was, you know, with the Hornets, the Bobcats or whatever they were called at the time that he owned them. And I think that people who are very talented think that players who they coach or who they're trying to coach that things come as easy to them as they do to the people who are very talented. And that's the one thing that I see that, and I'm just around some former players now who are coach in Ohio State. And when I see them like struggle with like them explaining stuff to people and people not catching on fast enough, I mean, thinking to myself like, yeah, that's what you were good at doing. But trying to motivate, encourage, and go through the process to teach somebody else and be patient with that. I think that's a thing that coaches struggle with. You know what I mean?

And I can't give you a ton of basketball examples, but I'm pretty sure in some regard, I know Cam visit Coach Prime a lot. And I wonder if they had like just a private conversation. He has, you know, more notable names and just the adjustment of coaching. I wonder if that would like become, or has it ever became an issue just with him being so talented and assuming that guy. should get like the little nuances right right away. So that's one thing I think that, you know, guys may struggle with. Yeah, this was a great, great topic, Mo. To me, outside of Coach Prime, you know, Coach Prime, it's great.

I think that a lot of great coaches that were athletes or former professional players, they were the ones who weren't superstars. But they turned into great coaches owners, whatever the case may be. Like, that was a great example, right? You think about Michael Jordan, superstar, the top of the top,

the crem della creme of superstars. Was he a great owner? Not really. Now we have two different scenarios, right? Now, let's think about Magic Johnson, superstar. Was he a good coach? No, he wasn't a good coach.

Good owner, good consultant. Yeah. He wins World Series. He's part owner of the commanders. We see, you know, even though outside of sports, we know it's business acumen, but in sports, he's got a WMBA title. He knows how to win, but he wasn't necessarily a good coach. Those are two superstars on different spectrums, but, you know, bad owner,

not saying bad owner for Michael Joy, just couldn't get it done, and Magic Johnson as a coach couldn't get it done. Even let's think about Magic Johnson as a GM, right? You sit there and you draft Lanzo Ball, which you could have got D. Aaron Fox, and you missed out on that opportunity. Then you sit there and recruit LeBron to get to the Lakers, and then you end up peeling out because you're like, I can't do this, I can't do that, whether it's Rob Polenka.

I'm pretty sure Magic's not stupid. He knows why he left him. He had reasons behind it, but it didn't work out. But he's great at ownership and greater consultant and so on and so forth. Michael Joy wasn't. Now, let's go to something else to where the player isn't a superstar. Let's think about a player like Phil Jackson. Okay, basketball player, decent, won the championship with the Knicks.

Coaching? Top of the line coaching. May have been a better coach, not even may have definitely a way better coach than player. Let's think about Greg Popovich. I don't know if he played pro, but he played in college. Top of the top coaches, not necessarily a great player. Let's think about Pat Riley. average player okay great coaches so to me sometimes the best coaches aren't necessarily

at the top of their game as professionals they were okay but they were like you know what I see this thing better from the outside looking at you think it's something you go to boxing there's a lot of great boxing trainers that were boxers that turned out being bad than trainers think about freddie roach he used to box I think he's a spectacular coach or trainer better than he was boxing. You know, we was talking about it before the show. And you think about even though Floyd Mayweather Senior, you know, he didn't get a good shot.

He finished his career. He got shot, went to jail, et cetera. But you sure, you for, you for a sugar rate? You for sugar rate soon? Yeah. Yeah, you have a chance, nigger. You got a shot. You got a shot, nigger.

Sorry, that Floyd, I like Floyd, man. I'm just saying you can't, you miss out of the opportunities. the opportunities. I think Roger Mayweather, another good decent boxer, but I think he's a better trainer. So sometime the average player boxer, whatever,

turns out to be great trainers, owners, et cetera, as to where you was a great player and you may not be that good on the other side after your career is over. So that was a great question, ma'er. I think it's just different scenarios for different

people. Yeah. that's a question you know you don't have to name like any names or the thing like that but is there any parallels to that in the music business like i was trying to draw parallels where you go from artists and i've known that you were from artists to end up being a label but is it that you know things came to me so easy from being a creative that when i try to get somebody else who wants to be right artist right i didn't necessarily have to take the steps to develop like they may have to, you know what I'm saying? I get what you're saying.

That's a great question. Because a lot of people can't, there'll be great artists, but they can't necessarily break artists. You know what I'm saying? I think the, if you want to think, you know, I could probably name 10, 20, not that name, maybe 10. It turned out good, you know, even myself, I think I'm decent in introducing artists, whether they turn out to be platinum and order.

platinum and all that, no, I didn't get to that level. Well, if you want to use the best example in the world, you can use Jay-Z, which we know is one of the biggest artists ever in the world, most grammy swine rapper ever, and he signs Rihanna. You can't beat that. You really can't. You already have a spectacular career,

then your wife has already out spectacular career, then you sign Rihanna, and we see what Rihanna turned to. between Rihanna's a billionaire. She audition for Jay-Z in a hotel or some shit like that. You go from the hotel to a billionaire. I don't know one better than that. Siddon, you know anything better than that one

that you could probably name or something to that parallel? No. Yeah. Can't beat that. I want to go back to what Cam was saying because every situation is different because some players can be so great

but they're just not good teachers because I just think focusing, I mean, I know like most sports are team efforts, but focusing on yourself and then translating that to developing a team. It's just a very different ballpark because when you were just even thinking of examples, I was just thinking of Pat Ewing when he went to go coach Georgetown. Great player struggled so bad with Georgetown's team. And I think it just comes down to like you're getting, because I'm not going to say they had a whole bunch of superstar players on Georgetown's team, but you have to be able to develop them. And if you miss development and then you just can't. teach a bigger group not to say that he wasn't great at what he did and make that clear but translating it to a group especially of college kids is a lot harder than you performing on a team as your own so that's what i would say this thing teaching is a lot harder for certain people and that's kind who came to mind for me yeah no i was going to say be careful talking about patty where you know sentence i see his faces every time anything nix anything i like it's like he got something to say He's all like that.

Yeah, he's ready. Why? I loved it. Thank you. He said, thank you. He said, thank you. Nix was mentioned. Yeah, that's what he's happy about.

He's happy that the Nix were mentioned. Yeah. Okay. And so then now kind of transitioning to development. Do you guys think development has a place in collegiate sports now that there's so much money involved? Or do you think that that's kind of thrown out the window because of dollar signs kind of taking the upper hand? Maurice. Yeah.

I purposely see. I purposely said this development is over. And I'll tell you why, when you don't have to stay at the same school that you're at and you don't have to sort of like forge yourself through any adversity or any struggle that you have to go through, if a kid doesn't want to stay around because they're not getting the playing time that they want to, they're gone. And from a coaching standpoint, there's too much money involved and the environment is pressurized. And Prime kind of alluded to that saying that, hey, you know, if you don't win now, you know, you're not going to be around long.

And so if you look at it from that vantage point from the top down, like just the environment isn't conducive for people developing over a period of time. And so I think the only way to develop, and this is still college, I know the question was about college. I think you have to develop yourself as some of these mid-majors because they don't have as much money invested into the thing as possible. and then you sort of step up, but the days of, like, a kid going to, like, a premier Power 5 or Power 4 university and develop it. Like, those days are just long going. I think when you look at basketball,

I think when you look at football from a collegiate standpoint right now, you're going to be looking at, like, moving forward, like a minor league professional system where people have to win right now, and it's just like the NFL, if you don't win within, you know, two or three years, you're going. But the whole notion of, like, you know, you get in a legacy school,

and people will be here for three, four, five years developing. That stuff just isn't a thing. Nah, I'll just keep it sure, sweet. It's over. That's that, man. I know, look, Moe, real quick before we go, because we look running out of time. You know, Siddhar, you always got an attitude.

I'll give you 90 seconds on why you have an attitude with us here before we do. You got anything to say bad, what we don't do wrong in anything up here, whatever. It doesn't even have to be about today's show. It can be about every day. day when you call me have an attitude about what we did

and didn't do. You know, what I do want to say is... I'm 20 o'clock on you have 90 seconds. I'm glad you just mentioned that because there's no more grit. There's no more hard work. He thought that, what's it, the NIL where they paid college students.

I say, yo, give them enough to go get some clothes, some sneakers, and take a bitch and go out on a date. That's it. You don't get these kids no millions of dollars. They ain't going to know what to do. They're not going to really play basketball and really play football, you can't spoil people like that.

So he thought it was okay, and I ain't think it was okay. Other than that, we just want some more love on the show. You know, as a New York Knick fan, we would love some more, you know. And Mo, don't let nobody tell you what age it is that you should make kids. How old do you feel? You feel 35, right? So go ahead and make your kids and do what you want to do. Don't worry about being at the monkey bar is 60 years old.

You choose that because he always trying to tell us. somebody how they're supposed to feel when I asked him how he feel he said I feel about maybe 38 37 well that ain't your age partner so Mo go do what you want to do stat you have babies when you feel like it don't worry about the monkey bars and the 60 years old and that's what I want to say and thank you wow it was heavy on his chest in his mind also real quick well I'm not even finished but I'll let you say sir okay that's my camera well listen maybe he didn't need this look at the kid Yo, Mo, let me ask you, sir, real quick.

Yeah. So what he just said. Everybody's not gonna go pro, so it's about the NIL. Do you wish your NIL when you was playing just your opinion, or you think it's deterring, or did you, would you have rather had it? Yeah, I would rather have it. Me and sin disagree about a lot, we're gonna disagree on that one. Yeah.

You're not gonna keep the fire. If you got, if you got the money, Mo, you're not gonna keep the fire. If I got $1,000 and they'd be like, yo, I play good and I get another, maybe a $2,000, I'm thinking about some pussy. I'm thinking about what car I could put a lease on. I'm thinking about that. So you know what? I'm going to go play.

The fire is out. I got the money. I ain't getting up. You know what Marva Hagler said? It's hard to get out of bed to go training to get out of bed that got silk sheets. It's hard to get out of bed. Yeah, you know it's crazy stat. You know, Marva Haggler?

No. Exactly. But you do. But you do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you do no more to have one. You have just think about it. Think about it if you put your head and you think about it.

But listen, I get Winston saying he has a point to that, but it's two things to go to that, what I have to say, and I'll let Moe finish that topic up, is this. It's first of all, if you're getting that money, it's two things. First of all, everybody's not going to go pro. It's just not going to happen. So if you can make you a couple million and then starts your life off after you're not going to go to the NBA or the NFL

or that baseball or that baseball, and you leave and say, look, I made me $3 million in college. It worked out. I'm going to get a job and start a business or whatever, but at least I left with $3 million because I know I'm not going to the next level to play. To me, that's great. Secondly, if you're sitting there saying, look, and I'm not disagreeing with you on this part, people may be like, yeah, I made this, I'm going to go get me a Mayback,

especially if you never had money before. I'm going to go, at least this car, go get this. But if that's your ceiling of getting money and you think you go to the next level, If NIL money's your ceiling, and you're like, damn, I see what they're getting in the NBA. I see what they get in the NFL. I'm cool with this $11,000, then maybe you don't need to be going to the next level. Maybe your fire could have been put out, according to you, at $11, $12, $13,000. And niggas don't need that in the organization moving forward anyway.

It's better if you don't have the fire. But since, quote, your fire gets put out after you made a few dollars. on NIL money, you have to have determination to say, this is not enough, I want more. I do that every day, and everybody's passion is different. Me and you think differently on certain things. But I'm just talking about me every day and I'm not saying you have ingenuity too.

I'm saying enough, enough ain't enough. It's never enough. I always want more because I see what people get. Right now, right, I'll give you an example, right? Just me and sin, right? I'm just giving you an example, right? I live in a nice place. I like my place.

I'm moving soon in a little while. I'm about to move. I just bought some land. But it's a big-ass, I live in a big complex in these houses up the hill. And I live in a big house, and I go on my balcony, I smoke, and I look up there and say, these niggas trying to play me up there.

Word up. Word up, niggas is looking down on me. A niggas trying to play me. Said, like, what's wrong with you, man? Say, nah, you don't get any. He said, this is a big house. This is a mansion, man. Bathrooms and every bedroom.

He said, nah, man. Nah. This is an I.L money in here, man. It's that pro money up there, man. That's what, whatever. Yeah, man, I'm just telling you. I got to get up there. That's what I said to myself.

I don't care that I was 15, man. I got to get up there. That's what I say, man. And that's what I'm trying to explain to him, man. So I'm not disagreeing with you. Everybody got different ingenuity, man. True. He's still shaking his head.

Yeah, I know. He did not like, it's okay. Before we wrap, Maurice, do you have a quick update on your show? Oh, no, we, every day, and I think Nick is switching it to 2 p.m., if I'm wrong, Nick will correct me, but every day we're on the network. It's called Start with the Facts. It's just us talking to college sports, pro sports, laughing, joking, you know, me and the fellas in just a different environment, more relaxed, but just having fun talking about sports. So every day, I don't know if it's going to be on 2,

or 5 p.m. Nick will let you know, and we're going to do a weekend show as well. So 2 p.m. Easter. 2 p.m., yeah, okay, so 2 p.m. Eastern time. But y'all can check us out every day, and we will do a weekend show. So it's gonna start with the facts. Oh, make sure y'all check it out.

Well, that is all the time that we have for today. Maris, you know, it's always a pleasure to have you on the show. Likewise, to you all. Thank y'all for watching. Happy birthday again, Maurice. And as always, it is what it is. And the drive.