IT IS WHAT IT IS - College Success Vs. Pro Success, Jeremiah Smith Heisman Campaign & Anthony Edwards Vs. Jaylen Brown

Episode Date: October 16, 2026

On this episode, Maurice Clarett joins the show & the guys can't believe Stat Baby didn't know about Government Cheese, Why do some players succeed in College but then flop in the Pros? Coach Prime's Future, Jeremiah Smith's INSANE season, is he the best College WR of all time? Live Show experiences & the beef between Anthony Edwards & Jaylen Brown, Antman vs. Batman Government Cheese (0:00) Pros Vs. College (5:00) Coach Prime (10:30) Jeremiah Smith (24:45) Live Show Experiences (29:00) Antman Vs. Batman (34:00) What do you think? Tell us in the comments below Please Like the video, comment, subscribe & turn on your post notifications for more content. Listen to the show on Spotify! https://open.spotify.com/show/4Brb7BgCw4f4jwgS5v3sXQ?si=811988ecff7b416a Listen to the show on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/it-is-what-it-is/id1719695401 Keep up with us on social media! https://www.instagram.com/itiswhatitis_talk/ Snap: https://www.snapchat.com/add/iiwii_talk2023 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ItIsWhatItIsTalk TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@maseandcam Twitter: https://www.x.com/iiwiitalk Follow Our Hosts! https://www.instagram.com/masonbetha/ https://www.instagram.com/mr_camron/ https://www.instagram.com/treasurewilsxn/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Back to it is what it is. I'm Tudgeon Wilson, aka Stap Baby, along with your host, Mace and Cam. And y'all, today we are joined with our analyst Maurice Claret. Killer, what's good? Mo, what's going on, man? Happy Friday. Happy Friday, man. Just got paid.

Friday night. And a hundred. I like that. There we go. Yeah. Um, um, something Kemp, last name Kemp, right? Johnny, Kemp? They don't want to acknowledge and I got it right this time.

No, cool, no. That's good for me. Amay's got kicked out the house and some shit like that. Nicky said, who Sean Kemp? Uh, uh, Kemp got me kicked out. I'll get you get on. My boy had a, what was it, his grandmother?

His grandmother. Yeah, they were acting like she couldn't. I was acting like she couldn't understand. So everything she said, she said, Jamal, I said, who would Jamal Mashburn? No, that ain't why. It was like that. I'm going to bring you up.

What happened was before the cheese. I thought you go with the cheese. His grandma was on the phone and she's kind of old she couldn't hear. And his name was Jamel. Shout to Mel King. I've seen Mel King a long time. So he's like, it's Jamel. And then I guess his grandmother said,

Jamel, he said, Jamel, your grandson. And Mace was in the background. He said, who Jamel? Mesburt. That niggumel. King was Martin before Martin. He said, hold on, Grandma. Oh, y'all got to get out.

Get out. Yeah, and it was cold. We used to stay at Mel House. That's what I did when it was really cold outside. Yeah, thanks to that, Mel. And then one day, Degger, I don't know if y'all even know about the free cheese. But you used to get free cheese, you had free cheese. but if you don't wrap it up,

the piece of the cheese get hard pours at the end. And Degger was making a sandwich and cut off half the free cheese and threw it out. He got mad. And kicked everybody out again. And we officially

couldn't go back over there. No more. Word. Fats. No more. Story times. We need more of them. Okay, y'all.

You always paid for your cheese, that? Paid for my cheat. Like, I don't know. You're laughing before I even answer. I don't even know what that means. Paid for my cheese. You ever got free cheese?

I don't know. I don't know what that means. Literal cheat? Literal cheese. Oh, paid for my cheese. No. No what? No, I haven't.

You haven't got free cheese, you're saying? Free cheese? Cheese that you put on a sandwich. I'm just clarifying. Y'all say things, they ain't mean different things. I got to ask. Outside, they used to be outside

and give people free cheese. No. All right. And outside where? There'd be a truck outside. Yeah, truck outside, outside, outside. Outside, like outside. Outside where?

You know? I haven't been in the streets. I ain't know if they out of them in the streets of Tampa growing up. No, out in the street, I've seen an ice cream truck. That's all. Yeah, like you were. hanging out in New York and you saw the ice cream truck that will be the free cheese truck oh wow yeah they used to do milk before we was born I heard I missed the free milk because I missed the free milk

ever free milk is a good one but yeah I know I learned something like I say every every day okay all so let's get into some of these questions so this is a good one so Kim Ward Marvin Harrison Jr. and Johnny Mansell list of others we've seen they've balled out in college and they drafted to, you know, teams that aren't, I'll say at the top of the totem pole, okay? I'm not going to say terrible. So if you guys had your choice, would you prefer to ball out and go as a top five pick? Would you prefer to have a solid college career, but ultimately end up on a better team? If it were you, Mace, what would you like to happen?

It depends on what the career is going to be like, you know. It's better to be good on the highest level than to used to be good. on a smaller level. I think. When you see somebody like Johnny Mansell, shout out to Johnny Mansell. We wanted Johnny Manzell on the show.

Johnny, if you're watching this, hit me up. Johnny Manzell was so spectacular in college football. He had even Drake. He was connected with Drake. They was doing this. I think Drake even made a freestyle. Show me the money.

It was crazy. I don't think somebody, not many players. has had a crazy time than Johnny Mansell from a public perception where he's connected with hip hop and all of those things. So I would have not wanted to have that and not have the career in the football league, in the national football league. So I would rather be great with just a okay high school, got a little better in college, and then went through the moon and the pros. That's, that's preferable. the best way to be.

Yeah, I got to go with Mace. That's where the money at. You know, you get four years of college and let you go to the University of Miami. You get 19 years when you're in college. It's out there. You know what I'm saying? Okay, no.

There was a COVID year. My lines have made sense to me. I'm not knocking. I'm not knocking. Just saying. Go ahead. Do you last stuff for. I'm just saying.

There was a lot of things that happened in the recent years that made people eligible for more time. And I think that it was valid. COVID year is one of them. That's all. Save their nine years. Okay, maybe not nine, but like people have a lot of, when I've read up on people's situations, I'm like, okay, it kind of makes sense. Sorry. You can continue. Thank you. Four years, maybe five of you red shirt and 19 if you go to university. in Miami, like I was saying.

But I will say it's this, right, in this generation, you guys, the players I'm talking about, at least you're making money in college, right? You're making money in college, so therefore even if you're a pro

career that doesn't work out, you get a, you know, it's hard to say save your money when you're 18, 19, 17, 16 or how old they start getting money now. It's hard to say save it because you're like, I'm going to get more money. But at least you guys are getting paid. Think about, I don't know, I don't know, you know,

I didn't make it to even play Division I won because I got hurt in junior college and then Mace came home in his career shuttle. But I feel for like, you know, even though he turned his life around, my nigga, Moe, would have been rich as shit in Ohio State. They might not,

Mo would have been mad, bro, they might have, all them charges he caught him. I'm like, man, turn this shit around. I got the bill, I got all that. I've been a millionaire. in Ohio State, we're playing. Think about Reggie Bush, all these people that could have been making money.

So I would rather have a mid-career making a few thousand, maybe tens of thousands, if not hundreds, because you know its players making millions, have a better professional career to be an outstanding collegiate, have an outstanding collegiate career and the subpar NFL career. Now, look, the players that you named,

I know Johnny Mansell is a little too late for him, When we're talking about Karen Ward is still early. When you talk about Morphe Harrison, Jr., it's still early, they still have some time. But you think about these people. Think about Vince Young. Vince Young supposed to be one of them niggas. He was the man. And it didn't, I'm not saying he was terrible NFL, but it wasn't like how he played in Texas to compare it to his NFL career.

Hey, and Maurice. Yeah, I think when I thought about this, I think it comes down to which side of the, the ball pause that you play. And from an offensive standpoint, just the professional game is so much harder. Paul's that I wouldn't want to basically be a top draft trying to turn a whole franchise around. You know, when you typically lose,

that mean you have a bad offensive line, bad receivers, bad organization, and when you have a kid who comes from college, they're just asking a lot if you're playing an offensive side of ball. And when you look at those names, those are just offensive players. But if I was a defensive player, you can impact the game in a lot of different ways and the way that you're paid is just totally different.

And so they don't expect you if you're a top draft pick if you look like Arvelle Reese, or Sunny Styles, you know, two dudes who came out of Ohio State. You know, even if you're bad, you can still perform well and people still give you your kudos. But if you're on the offensive side of the ball, like it's just too much expected of you. And I wouldn't want to go to a top five pick. I would rather just be, you know, a mediocre, but I would be above average college player who went to a solid organization and just plugged into Paws, just a good team. Yeah, I like that take.

That was a very good take. Yeah, solid. Okay, now let's pivot. Let's talk about Coach Prime, right? So, Mace, do you think a change of scenery and conference could benefit him a little bit more? Do you think there's something more else that he can do to turn Colorado around? Or do you think he's good just right where he's at? When they come to Coach Prime, I think he's such a savon.

when it comes to football and just knowing his exes and O's, he comes with everything. He comes with the name. He comes with the flare. He comes with the exes and O's. He just everything that you want in a program as a head coach, you get with Coach Prime. So anytime it's not going bad well for him, he's going to have another place to go because somebody's going to always want that star power. They're going to always want somebody who knows what their time.

talking about and a person that could shine a light on their university. And I think he's the best thing that happened to Colorado, actually. So anything they could do to keep him there will be ideal. I mean, that looks like a place that they could build a legacy around Dion, right? Because he already has his legacy. I think you keep him there, you give him whatever he want, and you get them better players if he want, whatever he wants. You make sure it happens because you would like to see that stadium named after Dion when it's all said and done.

What better place to be? Like I remember I was going to the Aspans. I saw the football field. And I was thinking, man, what if that was the Dion Stadium? You know, I look forward to that day. So I would say whatever it takes to keep them there, you do it. Yeah, it's just been tough with all the news. rules and regulations. I think what happened is when

Deion got to Colorado, the noise that he made, I'm talking about a great noise. Because you think about this, I don't care what nobody says. Dion, since he's been there, has had a better season while there's minus 500 above 500, make a bowl game,

don't make a bowl game, then before he got there. Before he got there, they won one game. So if you win two games, you had a better season than when before he got there. That's just. That's just a fact. That's just a fact. They won one game.

And so I think people are going harder recruiting. You know, you think about when you got Travis Hunter, him and Nick Saban are cool now, but Nick Saban threw damn near tantrum. Oh, they played a pay a million dollars. They over there doing wrong in Colorado.

To me, Nick Saban quit after that. Samson, I'm doing broadcasting. Yeah, I'm leaving, man. Deion and these niggas out here, getting all the good recruits, etc., etc. And I think after that, And this may not be true. This is my concern, spheres.

He'd say, it's a coalition against him. Yo, get this player, this money. We can get him there. We can get this person there. Get this person there. And the problem they've been having since Chador has been in the NFL is purely at the quarterback position. Dior won't say it because he's not going to down his players.

But if you watch the games, they are having problems at the court. Severe. Severe problems at the quarterback position. You watch one of the games. games, the quarterback through the ball interception in the end zone. He's in the end zone and throws it to another, the other team in the end zone. You see the shit, Mo? Yeah. He's like, yo, Diyan got too much class to say it, so I'll say it for him.

The quarterback position in Colorado is a problem. And I know Coach Prime knows that. And once you fix that, I think they'll back on track. But whatever Dian is doing there has been a plus, not just for the Colorado, for the things around that city, City. I'm pretty sure when these prices has made more money. Arby's five guys.

Whatever. You know what I'm saying? All that. Everything around that city, Boulder City has made more money because Dion Sanders is there. The jersey sales are more. The stadium's more packed.

You know, that first year when we was going, I went last year two. Think about this. I went to a few games. I'm I'm coming on the field. What up, Kevin Durant? What up, Russell Westbrook? What up? Whoever you want the name.

Rayquan. Different weeks, it was all type of different. Yeah, yeah, Quavo's there. Offset. Yeah, offset. Listen, both of y'all went with me one time. Yeah, yeah, y'all went with us. You wasn't with us.

You went over, you was over there with Nebraska, I believe. That was their team at the time. You definitely I was over there with Kayla Williams and now. Yeah, you wasn't. Do I see? Yeah, you wasn't with us, man.

You was there, but you wasn't with us, man. So when you see the type of star power he attracts to the game, it's dope. They was playing in Atlanta a few weeks ago. And even though he's from Atlanta, and he's from Atlanta and Colorado was playing I forget which team he was there's playing in Atlanta

he had belly gang Cushington and them niggins are on his side he in Atlanta with belly gang and them niggas with the Colorado Jersey on belly gang from Atlanta this is where Dianne attracts so Mace is correct you do what you got to do

to keep them there because you want to ultimately win you want to ultimately go to bowl games but not just his passion, not just his love. If we're talking about a financial standpoint, let Deion lead Baltimore City survivor. Ghost town. I think Deon needs a white quarterback.

I don't know for some reason. He needs a tall white quarterback that wants to be in the urban environment. Dion, trust the experts, Dion. I know you know what you're doing, but sometimes you can't go with the brother. You got to go outside to get what you need, man. Pause.

Maurice. Thoughts. I got a different take, man. I personally want him out of Colorado and I want him back down in Florida somewhere where he can go recruit, you know, just so he can recruit better and it can raise more money. I think when he came to Colorado, you know, I think when he came to Colorado, you know, I know, having Shador and having Travis, those were major pieces to build around, right? You had those guys in the NIL thing was sort of new.

You know, Cam kind of alluded to that when he talked about Nick Sabin. But now that money is such a big deal with people, you know, unless you can raise 30, 40, 50 million of dollars, you really can't compete. And so it's kind of like you got somebody who, and I think Macy said it, he's very charismatic, personable. He's a good CEO of a team. He's going to track players. He's going to attract culture. He's going to fill up the stadium. People are going to see him.

He's charismatic, right? And I just think that he's in Colorado with the wrong situation. I just don't think that they can raise the money that these other schools raise. And so for me personally, it may not be the popular thing to say, but I would love to see him in the SEC or around a brand that's just as big as he is where he can go attract the talent. Kids want to be there.

Kids from Florida want to play football in Florida. That's just what it is. Or they want to come to Ohio State. And so I think you put him in a different environment and you add all of that other stuff in. I think you have the Dion of Old, right? And I'm with Cam on this where you say it's a conspiracy, but I don't think that's like far-fetched, right? A lot of people want to see that him be like a failed experiment, right? They just want him to say like, okay, it started cool.

It was because of Shador, but even when you hear the media, they just want to see him fail, but I don't want the whole thing to fail or to end bat. You know what I'm saying? So I would love to see him in a different market. I would love to see him with an alumni base who could raise a bunch of money. And then you put him in the modern day era. I think he has the same success,

but with more resources. I think that's a great take, Mo. And I agree with you to a certain extent, right? But after Florida beat LSU, they stink. And Florida State stinks even worse. They both stink But that's my point But what I'm saying is this

No, I'm agreeing with you I'm getting to a point I'm agreeing with you saying You can recruit different And there more people to come there Maybe because Dion and so forth But and I know Dionne wanted to originally go to Floresy

If I'm not mistaken the coach Today is brushing them off I think you need to get some experience They were trying to say whatever But he'll get crucified even more if he doesn't win. And I don't think Dion cares about getting crucified because he's going to put

his hard soul to it. You go to these SECs, you go to the Big Ten and everything else. ACC, all lies on him, and I know that's what he wants, but I just want him to make sure, you know, I can't tell Coach what to do. I just want to make sure he has his

team in place to recruit well and win, because what's going on in Colorado, if that happens somewhere else like Florida or Florida State, it'll be magnified by a thousand. So I just want to make sure before he does that, he has all this ducks lined up,

pretty sure he does. But I do agree with you, Mo. That he'll recruit better and more people want to go. But right now, Florida, stinks to the high heavens outside of my head. Let me say this, right? So you go to these places like, okay, I'm at Ohio State. You know, we have Arthur Smith,

who was the Steelers Officer Corridor. And last year you have Matt Patricia. You have more money to hire better pieces. True. That's just what it is. So I don't know, and this ain't no shots to who he has in Colorado. Pretty sure they're not making the millions that these dudes are making at these premier division one level schools. You know what I mean?

And so the head coach for the most part, he's just like the visionary, the person who's assembling the band and sort of getting guys ready to play. And do you let all these other dudes get X's and those? And so I just think it ends up being a better situation. I know he's saying the same thing. But I just think that this all comes down to money. You know what I mean? and that's really what it comes down to, in my opinion. Well, I want to ask the question.

How does alumni performing well in the NFL produce better talent going to that university? A phenomenal question, but it's like the assets that left your program are proven to other kids is why you need to come to this program because your success will continue on at the NFL. And you're watching kids get developed and live their dreams and perform at the highest level in the NFL. And that's literally, you know, what happens out of Ohio State.

If you see what they do, every time of those kids, either wide receivers, linebackers, or, you know, kids who end up playing NFL and have a success, the school always shares that on their media. And then, you know, before every game, I always tell you about when there's people coming up me and they talking about the show, it's their kids who are getting sold this dream. Hey, you come here, you're not only getting developed here, but when you go to the

next level, you see that this stuff like transcends on. And it just makes, it puts the brand in a place where you're looked at as elite, you know what I'm saying? You're, you're really being developed. So how states sort of sit in this own little special bucket of like, you can come here, you could be developed, you can have a lot of success, and then you can be elite and you're not really dealing with, you know, a bunch of just outside noise. Kids who typically come here, like kids who are focused about being greater what they want to do. Yes.

And the reason why I'm asking you that is because when I thought about all of the players that came out of that first batch of Colorado University, that's why it was so important for them not to get picked or to get off of the teams because that's a part of how you marginalize what Dion is doing. And I think that's something that... Oh, I said you said. Yeah, so by you blocking... By you blocking Shadour,

by you cutting the sun off this team. And the things that were done, they were systematically done so that it's no reason for you to go to this organization because now there's no proof of concept. If he comes out of there and he's going like this while getting touchdowns, that become the first proof of his concept.

So when you're trying to sell stuff to other people, you know, in business mode, everybody want to know where's your proof of this concept? Yeah, you're saying Dion could do this, but what's the proof of concept? We got proof of concept as an athlete. We don't have proof of concept when it comes to the players. So that's what I was mainly talking up. What do you think of that? No, it's phenomenal take.

And that was a great setup. I thought about when Cam said, oh, this boy is cooking. in this point good, right? But it made me think about Levar Ball. Like when they sabotaged Devar Vall and everything he had going on, it made people intimidated or are scared to follow that path because you say, hey, this is what will happen

if you do this, but 1,000% if you ruin Shadour and you can marginalize his success or you don't tie it back to the university and you basically lose all of this credibility. And that's not far-fetched. I can see things like that happening. And so it's not, it's definitely not far-fetched. Okay.

And then just want to speak a little bit more on Ohio success, Maurice, because I know you started with the sliver there. And we're going to reel it back to that, right? So Jeremiah Smith, and we haven't talked about him too, too, too, too much on the show, but we know that he's been bawling. In your opinion, what makes Jeremiah Smith so great and what attributes to all of the receivers and recent first rounders coming out of Ohio State, Maurice? In reference to Jeremiah, I think is just, and I think, you know, anybody who's ever been around somebody who's attained anything great, it's just his level of seriousness day in and day out.

And so I've been around the team for the last three years and I was here since he's been a freshman. And I can't really remember in recent history, another one, basketball, football, or anybody pursuing something who just had like this high focus. You know, and I don't know if it's his mother, his father, coaches from high school. school or whatever it was that he was doing down to South Florida. But he came in, driven, focused. And every single day you see him, it's like a man on a mission or a dude with something to prove. And I just thought like any other kid, you have some success and you essentially see it like sort of fizzle out to some degree, you know, but it wasn't. Like my man, just every day, every year, his attention to detail, his attention to wanting to be the best, the first on the field, the best.

the best dude at practice, just all that stuff. And so when you can see him go out there on Saturday and do what you do, it's like it's no surprise because you've seen it a thousand times in practice. But I'll tell you like this, anybody who's ever been great, them wanting to be great is the foundation of it all. And so he wants to be great. He's vocal to other people about wanting to be who he is, but it's just a day-to-day work and the attention of detail.

And I think it's the same thing just with the other kids who come through the program. You know, kids are the attention. the detail, the work ethic, and just all that stuff is just a tribute to Coach Day and the whole program. Yeah, and I guess to attest to that, Mason, Cam, what do you think separates people from being great versus everyone else? Like, what do you think separates that? Great versus good. A lot of what Moe was saying, I never thought about that. The first thing he said, that was really good. You got to want to be great, right? So I think the first thing that you begin to see in a person that want to be great is their attention to detail and where they place their time. I think that's

what creates the greats and separate them from the people who are highly good and very good, but not great yet, is the time management and how they prioritize their time towards their craft. I always believe that. So, Kim, in your opinion, what do you think separates somebody from being great versus everyone else? They both gave great takes as not much more. add on to it. Fair. Okay. So athletes often say there's nothing like playing an actual game and entertainers say there's

nothing like live shows. So Mace, is there anything that you've done that's duplicated that feeling or is that even your personal experience to begin with? What's your opinion on that? I thought you was actually Mo this first. No, this one I'm asking you. So you said, live shows. This is, you know.

I told Mo I ain't answering these questions no more. But I like this question. Is there anything that that give you the same feeling or the same experience than a live show? What's the exact question? Yeah. Is there anything that you've done that's duplicated that feeling? So like an actual game versus like, you know, nothing like a live show. Like does anything duplicate that for you?

I don't get anything from live shows, but the pay. The pay, the money, but I've normally got my money up front, so I don't get anything from the live show other than getting to meet people. Hey, so you go many places, you meet people, but that's how I would structure my business, so I ain't really get much from the live show. Let me get a quick. Can I give context for it?

Yes. I'll answer the question. I have no problem. Just so I'm clear. Yes. read it one more time yeah athletes often say there's nothing like playing an actual game and entertainers say

there's nothing like live shows is there anything that you've done that's duplicated that feeling or is that even your personal experience to begin with you mean outside of playing sports something that I think for you like outside of like a live show something that duplicates like I guess that like adrenaline feeling but Marys can also give more context Maurice gives them more contact

yeah so I watched it was Andre Ward and Mike Tyson podcast and they were talking about a lot and Mike was talking about there was nothing like a fight. He said he's tried movies, he's tried drugs, he's tried everything in the world to try to duplicate it. And then when he started talking about there's nothing like a fight, I was just thinking about just like, I was like, man, that's how I feel about a football game. And you would think in the entertaining world, like a live show is like your game. That's the time where you've practiced and you out there and perform. And so I just thought to myself, like, is there anything like that

or is that even your experience? You know, it's like, that's it. Yeah. Listen, I love doing live shows when I do it because to me, it's nothing to me, it's to me, my opinion, when you do a live show, it's so dope when you get out $40,000, if you're in the stadium or if you're in the arena, $20,000,000, or even if you're in an amphitheater with 35,000, 40,000 people,

and everybody can sing your song Word for Work. Like when they turn the music down, and everybody knows yes song, word for word. I agree with Mason to pay, too, but it is a good film to know that you're writing something that people are singing along to, especially when you're in the stadium and the whole stadium is singing it.

Basketball, too, even though playing sports to me, winning championships is a great feeling as well. I didn't get to play on a collegiate level or pro-level, but that's a great feeling as well. Something that duplicates that for me growing up. The only thing I could probably think of is like, if I made a girl squirt, it was excited for me.

I mean, I was doing my thing. I was in that bedroom putting in work. And she was excited. It made me excited. And maybe I can relate that to that. Cash a million dollar check. When she checks for like seven, eight digits, she'd be like, ooh, that's exciting.

Trying to think that's exciting to me. Not a lot. really excites me. A million dollar check, squirting. Um, my son was born. That was, that was hot. I love my son. I'm trying to think.

That's a very different range. When I'm trying to think of a thing and say it wasn't exciting. I'm trying to think of shit didn't excite me. I'm, I don't get excited about a lot of shit. I'm trying to, trying to answer the question, man. Mays ain't answering the question. I'm just trying to answer the question, man.

question man I don't know what to say me far you don't like my answer I'm so you should you make me excited Maurice I'm sorry I'm sad with uh with Mike Tyson that there's nothing like the actual game so um yeah man He never surprised me, man. I'm trying to just compare the feeling. But you asked him the question, you know? Yeah. Nah.

A gay. I don't know. Like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I hear what he's saying. And what I was going to say was being close to the game and watching the younger guys play, you know, it's not the same thing, but it's in the neighborhood.

And that's why I probably get so much joy from it. Because there's nothing like sports. And I thought live performances will be the same way where it's like a real thing. Like you can't fake football. You can't fake the game. You can't, you know, you can't fake prepare and then show up and then do something magical.

Like whatever you've prepared to do, you have to do. And I think like that feeling of like nervousness and, you know, you have to go out here and somebody's going to walk off the field and walk off a loser, like all of those emotions. When you're actually playing the game is like something special. Like you can kind of get that like being in the locker room and being around a dude. That might be the closest thing to it.

But there's nothing like you going on the field and you actually doing the thing and people depending on you know all that stuff so um i'm i'm sad with mike tyson that there's nothing like going out there and doing a real thing all three very different answers but hey like you know everybody's truth so this last that that gives me i don't i'm easily entertained so mine would just be like a win in a long form video game or like learning a new trick on my roller skates like I'm sorry I'm real nerdy I just like simple things so that would be mine nothing too out of the ordinary just like a little small wins and I celebrate my small wins so that's it for me this last one here before we wrap which is you know a pretty fun one because we've been seeing

how some NBA players have been engaging in streaming as well so anthony edwards and jalen brown have actually had a little bit of a back and forth after Anthony edwards had a commercial for his Adita sneaker. He pretended to be in like a late night comedy show act and he had said, we know why he, as in LeBron James, really made that decision. Philly got some of the best barbers in the world between him and old boy from Boston, talking about Jalen Brown, they're going to have a whole lot of enhancements. So Jalen Brown reacted to this on stream with his teammate, BJ Edgecombe, and Jalen Brown kind of clapped back and he said, Adidas is doing everything from my boy, but they need to get my boy and condoms. That was his response. So of course, it's a playful back and forward for saying a lot

more athletes being vocal about different things and roast. Mace, what's your opinion on, honestly, both comments, ants dis in the commercial and Jalen Brown's comments on stream. I mean, aunt, what you call it, ants take was really funny. Jalen Brown's comedy lets you know that he was really, he was really, he didn't like what he said, you know. But I would say Philly got some of the best barbers in the whole world. You know, their attention to hairline, all that type of stuff is really good. So, you know, who knows? He's talking about the enhancements.

Let's see where it goes, you know. I like them talking like this because it seemed like some more will come out. Pause. But when he said that they need to give his boys some condoms, I don't know. Maybe he know more than we know. but I ain't really interested in it. Are you interested in it? Me personally, no.

But, you know, it's funny. It's funny, banta. Okay, I'm thoughts. I don't know what's going on with Adidas in their campaign. Why they choose to come after people. And their campaigns that's not bothering anybody. You know, you talk about Jalen Brown, and we know you had a little hair thing last season.

The campaign before this, you're coming at me, and it is, but it is. is you call the show it is what it ain't and we never had a problem with Ant Man ever you know what I'm saying and y'all attack people and it's like you know

shout to Farrell you know we did a campaign for his latest sneaker of the pink jellyfishes I appreciate it but I think Adidas and I'm not telling you all the market I have no problem with you.

You should be careful on who you target in these disses right? I'm telling you right now telling you right now and I've been waiting for Farrell to call me. Stout, you could tell him to call me or whatever, if y'all want to call me. You know, Stout's my man. Ferrell's my man, too, but I know he's busy.

Supposed to get with me about some Adidas shit. We haven't talked. But Kevin Ware has been on my line, on my line waiting for his interview about what happened to him wearing Adidas. So I'm going to calm it down. I'm not going to do that. You know, we can talk about his situation. And for people that don't know who Kevin Ware is, that was the player in college that were wearing Adidas and his leg his bone came through his leg

and I'm not going to blame that on the Ditas I'm not going to throw them under the bus but he wants to talk about it so you should be careful to coming after people whoever's running his marketing campaign for Adidas and Ant Man you have to I don't know what it's a tech

where people is coming from Deter J'all got some great sneakers y'all been making history the last four or five years especially with the easies, even though I know you're not doing that anymore. But attacking people with skeletons in the closet, just be careful, man. Just be careful, man. That's what I was saying. Hey, and Maurice, thoughts on there back and forth.

I'm down with the show, whatever Cam said. Did you know what? Actually. No, I'm down with the set, man. Whatever going on. there, I'm with it all. So wherever we're at, that's what we're at. Kevin Weir wants

to talk, man. Tell you that man, Kevin Ware wants to talk. And the reason I'm slowing this interview down is because me and Farrell had a conversation that I was going on a year ago. If we don't talk soon, I may do the interview. And I'm not

telling to bash anybody, but I'm pretty sure he has a story to tell. And who knows if he'll reach out to Jalen Brown. This is what I'm trying to tell you, like, y'all got it. Yo, whoever's doing the marketing over there, because when I talked to Farrell about it, Ferrell was upset.

You know, I seen him in the restaurant. He's like, yo, man, I flipped on the deeders. You know, I'm using different words that he's using, but he's like, I told him, why would you run that campaign? It wasn't right. It was uncalled for. We could have did something else besides attack here and,

you know, the show that he's a part of. And I was like, I appreciate that, man. Thank you very much. Because, you know, send oh since says this about me all time i don't know how to play in force and i don't you you slap me i got i'm shooting 12 rounds that you know what i'm saying so i don't know how to play they say because you see my response after that i about 80 balls i just wrote real quick so we'll see why spit up it just tell me this on we will see we will see but y'all

That is all the time that we have for today. It's pleasure to have you on the show. Mo! See you next week, baby. Thank y'all for watching. And as always, it is what it is.