IT IS WHAT IT IS - DALLAS GOT SMOKED ON MONDAY NIGHT, JA MORANT VS. MEMPHIS & DEJOUNTE MURRAY SOCIAL MEDIA DRAMA

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

On this episode, we talk about the Dallas Cowboys getting smoked at home by the Cardinals on Monday Night Football, what happened to the Cowboys?! Then, are the Bears the sleeper team in the NFC that nobody is talking about or nah? Next, the Carolina Panthers are 5-4, did anyone see that coming?? Lastly, we talk about Ja Morant & his recent headlines beefin’ with his teammates & coaches, is his time coming to an end in Memphis and we gotta address the Dejounte Murray social media posts about his girl!  Intro (0:00) Cowboys Lose On MNF (4:00) Are The Bears The Sleeper NFC Team? (9:15) Carolina Panthers (19:00) Ja Morant (28:30) Zion Williamson (44:30) Dejounte Murray (51:15) Ma$e, Cam’ron & Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson are back with another one!! ***NEW MERCH*** https://www.itiswhatitismerch.com Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Sign up with promo code IIWII and play $5 to get $100 in bonus funds: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-itiswhatitis #UDpartner Follow the show and our hosts on social media: ⁠It Is What It Is⁠, ⁠Cam'Ron⁠, ⁠Ma$e⁠, and ⁠Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson⁠ , ⁠Producer Ayooo Nick⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Yeah With a message for my deep Nick's dad, baby We need a new label Yeah, yeah Yeah Now this the black sheep sticking it's home

I need a crib Like I'm Gatsby I need it In hand Just understand my pocket's that deep With nothing to prove I ain't got nothing to do And it can't compete

And I got nothing to lose You see that's only I'm the one Let's get everybody Welcome back to The No 1 sports betting vibe On the Internet Veterans Minimum Nick Day is your host

here at Nick Day as 10 as you can find me. The man to my left. My dog. Yeah, bro. You're swacked out today. I have to ask. What is that hat? This hat is super fire.

So is the jersey. Shasta Raoul from Saturday football. Seenomotic Complex Con. Last week I was wearing the Diego Maradona shirt. Hooked it up there and then hooked it up with the hat. I told them that I had this jersey. Tieri-Henri. Henri?

That's Henry, bro. No, no, no, not. It's Henri. No, that's Henry. Yeah, listen, if you're... Onri? Yeah, it's Henri. My favorite soccer player of all the time. You're cultured. It's the reason why... It's the reason why I am. I'm the cultured Caucasian. It's the reason why I'm an Arsenal fan. It's the reason why I have a soft spot for the French national team, having no one in my family be French and having never been to France. Shasta Raoul, man, thanks again, and hope to connect again. George, yeah. Weird weekend, bro. We knew it going into it. We said it was going to be one upset. I did not predict as many upsets as there were. I would consider the Chargers Titans game an upset in regards.

The Titans covering in any regard, even at home, like the way the Chargers played was shit, but, I mean, you got the Packers going down. And that was the real gut punch of the weekend with all the, fucking money i had tied to jordan love on his birthday but yeah funky weekend man and and i got to spend uh the sunday at the raider game uh raiders jags so i was not saw a good game though i did saw a banger game honestly i mean brock bowers literally in front of me scoring three touchdowns not gonna lie i felt so chubbed up on the third one especially and and my you i didn't bet it because i was like it's the raiders there is a very good chance that i go and i

witness them lose by 60 points uh not the case they fought hard gino smith is just as i mean do we want to start there i can give a i'm down to start there yeah only because you were there uh patreon pick brock bowers plus 180 to score a touchdown um got that did not see three touchdowns coming he had a monster game you you text me during the game you're like Like, hey, man, I wasn't as crazy as I thought to say he would be offensive player of the year. Because if you just look at the two full games that he played, it's like he had that crazy game, week one.

And then obviously yesterday, it was like a literal career game. It's going to be hard to duplicate that, you know, double-digit catches. I think he caught, right? Wasn't it a 12 catches he caught? Yeah. Or nine? Let me pull that out. He got 12 catches.

Yeah, for like over a hundred. 127 yards. Yeah. Like, dude, he went, he went absolutely bananas. is it's good to see him healthy um yeah 12 for 1227 and 3 touchdowns is absolutely ridiculous uh they lose in overtime but you you were validated with with brock bowers being your offensive player the year because like two weeks ago you're like bro i'm never betting a tight end again yeah i said nick like the fact that you didn't smack me and correct me was uh you know

i didn't know where our friendship stood really two weeks ago i was like nick's just letting me set money on fire, putting money on a tied end to win offensive player of the year. And then I go see him live in person. And if it's anybody else other than Gino Smith as his quarterback, when Brock Bowers is inevitably traded to a contender, best believe that I'm sprinkling a little bit of money on the number one bald guy for this football season. Brock Bowers. Yeah, he went crazy, man. It was definitely

quite the performance. I will say that game featured, I think my favorite 90 seconds on the history of Red Zone ever. You are at the game, so I don't know if you caught this, but you got to experience

the longest field goal of all time. Little from Cam Little, who actually hit a 70 plus yarder in preseason, but it didn't count. He comes out there and he hits a 68-yard field goal, which that shit looked like it would have been good from the other goal line.

That was a bomb. Yeah. The ensuing cutback goes to the Rams game. Their kicker misses a 37-year-old Oh, my God. And I was like, if this isn't kicking, if this isn't kicking in 2025,

I don't know what it is. You just saw the farthest kick ever and then a dude basically missed the PAT. A top three red zone moment of all time for me. I'm glad you got to experience to live in the moment. I was in the concourse walking around getting all my food because I, I, you know, was beating the crowd and trying to not have to deal with the lines at half time. And I go outside and Cameron and I start eating our food. And everybody's like, world or like,

you know, longest field goal in NFL history. And I'm like, what the fuck are they talking about? There must be like a different game. And then I quickly realized, I was at least in the venue. Did I have eyes on it? I'm not a lot. liar. I did not see that feel guy. I had to watch it on my phone and I was like I was literally so sad but at the same time the circumstances that had to happen bro anybody in their right mind would have gotten up to leave like the the fact that they had to go kill the the clock with a spike at the 50 yard line I mean at that point in time half of the stadium was going to get beer you know and then he be fucking sets the record uh kid from arkansas cam little oh shit he he was a true

freshman kicker at arkansas Arkansas Arkansas this year has a true freshman kicker and so and he was the number one kicker in the nation kicker you kicker you kicker you Arkansas let's go bro you know what as you were telling that story reminded me super duper throwback I was like in high school when this happened but the Mets were playing a playoff game and it's like iconic play at the plate where Paula Duka was the catcher for the Mets and he tagged two guys out at home plate and like it was a it was a playoff game and like the crowd went crazy I was in the bathroom taking a piss no I just heard the roar it was like he tags the one guy and then like the other guy was like yeah yeah you tried to I remember seeing that yeah

yeah bro I was I was at that game but I didn't see that play so it just reminded me of you not seeing the field goal. NFL history. You were in the stadium. I was really hoping Brandon Aubrey would have hit his 68 yarder. So I could be like, well, you know, it happened twice in a weekend and mine isn't as special. But it is what it is.

I appreciate the Raiders going for two there at the end and not playing for the tie. I mean, I felt like it was kind of inevitable. But I like the two. But I want you to know that like there was a pause for a second there. like Pete Carroll walking over to Gino Smith there was like a contemplation like bro I don't know you know do we do we just shake things up in the AFC with ties over there maybe and instead Gino Smith gets his ball batted down at the line of scrimmage and what I will I'll leave with this bro is two things ashton genty too small for goal line situations I saw it

with my own two eyes, I cannot unsee it. This man is explosive as shit in the open field. But when it comes to, I need a yard and I meet the linebacker in the middle, he got stood up five out of five times. And that's who we went with. There's one player that I know would get across the goal line. Unfortunately, his ankle is in two pieces. He was available.

Your boy and my boy, yeah. He was available. So there was that. And then the last thing is, Gino Smith, bro, he slid three times when he could have just been an athlete and like lowered his shoulder for a first down. I'm talking defenders like three yards away from him. He's giving himself up sliding on crucial downs. Unreal. Absolutely unreal. I didn't realize that he was that. committed to extending his career you're at the end gino like go out go out with some fucking swag because right now it's bad uh but that's it that's it from this game yeah that's it jaguars moved to five and three uh bro there's so many quarterbacks that i watch i'm like i just can't get a read on them Trevor Lawrence being one of them um Bryce Young being another

which I think we should go into that game truth be told we spent way too much time on a Raider game but you were there. I was there NFL history and Brock Bowers so I get it Brian Thomas Jr., absolute disaster and get out of Jacksonville while you can

come up north bro, come to the Giants get you in next year we got you, we got neighbors, we got Juan Del, we got Theo Johnson we'll be good we'll be good but biggest upset of the year if you're looking at it from a point spread perspective

14 and a half point favorites with the green bay packers they lose outright at home to the five and four Carolina Panthers bro I think the Panther fans should all be Patreon members I'll be honest because ever since we said I don't know about Bryce Young he's been bawling he's been playing well You know, the one game he missed against Buffalo

And they got smoked at home Andy Dalton came in But he's been he's been playing well I think he's going to be the guy for me, bro That I just flip-flop on 220 times the rest of his career And that's perfectly okay Is it is it?

Am I allowed to have that one athlete That I just I just can't figure out Because I have an idea of a lot of guys I'm like, yo, I know who you are You know, I'm a big eye test guy and then sometimes I'll use the stats to, like, validate it too. Like, I don't understand what Detroit does with their backfield. Like, bro, just run Gibbs.

This Montgomery shit, Sonic and Knuckles. I've been talking about this shit for three months now, right? And I know Gibbs is my number one pick in fantasy. I'm not even talking about that. I'm just saying just watching them, there's a clear difference. So, I test-wise, I think Bryce Young is going to be a guy where, like, one day I watch him, I love him the other day, I watch him. I hate him, and I'm going to hate myself by the end of the show

when I tell you a proposal that I have. But tell me more about this game. No, Bryce Young's, Bryce Young's lighting it up, bro. I mean, you know, he hasn't thrown for over 200 yards except for against the Arizona Cardinals week two. You know, he's really just relying on Rico motherfucking Dowdle to put the team on his back. Honestly, it could be another thing where we had mentioned

Rico Dowdle revenge game against the Cowboys. ever since then he's been unstoppable and the Packers allowed the Panthers to play their style of football the time of possession the extending drives the winning the the the Red Zone battle like the Packers were two for four in the Red Zone they are at my I'm they may have been 0 for four um atrocious in the Red Zone and I I know I haven't said anything about Bryce Young, but I really just don't feel like this is a outcome of them relying on his talents. This was a coaching W for the Panthers. So that's the way I feel about this game in particular.

Very frustrated with the Packers. Yeah, very frustrating with the Packers. I'm good on them. just like long term I'm good I just feel like Jordan love just makes a lot of decisions that make me scratch my head bro the one interception he threw on first and 10 wasn't the triple coverage and the one guy that was playing safety was like this he fair caught it I don't know if he could he literally fair caught it he thought he was yeah he just intercepted the past like bro it was just just it was so so dumb and then the other one he tries to make a play and he throws it like across

the field i can't i can't figure out the the packers also like micha parsons first time in his career generated no pressures at all yep um did not record a single pressure across 21 pass rushes in week nine faced a double team on 28 percent of his rushes um it's the first the panthers won in green bay since 2008. I think the story to your point is about Rico Dattle, maybe a revenge game he had against the Cowboys, but then he has the revenge game against his own coaching staff that still wanted to run Chubba Hubbard. So there's that. You brought up a really good point, and this is one of the bets I want to propose to you for the Carolina Panthers. Canales, coach of the year. So right now he's 20 to 1.

Right. Bro, call me crazy. Call me crazy. I tease this on the Patreon and in the Discord. It was around this time last year you laid out the blueprint for the Tampa Bay Bucks. Who were like, what, 12 to 1 were they? They were like double digits to win the division. They had like a three game deficit and they came back with Atlanta being in first.

Ironically enough, Tampa Bay is a team. that Carolina at plus 700 would have to take down to win this division. Yo, hear me out. Dave Canal is 20 to 1. Panther is 5 to 1 to win the division. I feel like if Carolina wins the division, he's the coach of the year. I like it because it's a good look for the league too, first Hispanic coach. Yeah?

Hey, shout out to the Hispanics out there. Yeah, he's the first Hispanic. Bro, you know, I'm pro-Latino. NFL head coach. Latinos, I should say, but, you know, I'm for it. And it could be a specific country, but I'm going to double check it right now. I'm saying Hispanic generally, but he could be the first Mexican head NFL coach. Okay, look that up for us.

But yeah, it would be good for the brand. Very, very much so. But here's the thing, right? He's a Mexican-American, by the way. His parents are a Mexican descent. um so yeah one of the younger coaches in the league 44 years old he is in year two i believe of correction he's the fifth fifth yeah okay so let me just let me just paint the picture right because i text you about this so dave canales 20 to one to win coach at a year

Carolina panthers seven to one to win the division the coach of the year candidates are Stuyken, Vrable, McDonald, Kyle Shanahan, Sean Peyton, and Dave Conallis. Shanahan, Peyton, and Canales are all 20 to 1, right? Okay. Tampa Bay is in first. They're 6 and 2. Carolina's 5 and 4. So Carolina still has to have a bye week, right?

They end the year, week 16 and 18, playing each other. Tampa Bay is next four Home Pats at Buffalo at Rams Home Cardinals Carolina on the other hand

Home Saints at Atlanta at San Francisco who the fuck knows what they're going to look like they just lost their rookie Williams and then they play at home to the Rams now

I think this is the team we jump on the bandwagon for the rest of the year. It's awfully reminiscent of how we felt about Tampa Bay last year. I think we do it, bro. We do it. And if it comes down to it, week 18, week 18, right? It's Tampa Bay, Tampa Bay and Carolina. That game is going to be in Tampa Bay. We can hedge out of it if we need to.

look at you already wanted to hedge out of it you're itching the back of your neck right now you just think about this just think about this nick brice young wins over the falcons the dolphins the dolphins the cowboys the jets and i'm not considering that packers win on him that was riko dowdell's win these next two weeks so that you're you're correct and the timing to make this bet would be now because you go back to back divisional games and if they win those two games then without a doubt that number will be way lower probably like plus 200 so if you're going to get the most bang for your buck on the fucking panthers bro like i i told you they're on my band list i would never

put a future in on them to to win the division however if you do parlay the division winner in canales i'll sprinkle a little bit in there for the Hispanic heritage and the fact that i i had to get stat corrected for myself yeah you just they don't let you the two books that i'm looking at they don't let you parlay that because they know it's so you can't really parlay awards on the same team like i've been doing i text you about us going to arizona for a couple things and like one of the one of the best that i was looking at was like jsn offensive player of the year with McDonald's culture the year and you can't do it you can't do like tay and then the other one was like taylor and i did but why did it let me do erin rogers and mike

tomlin i think that was because it was in the beginning of the season okay i think but i'm just telling you like yeah there's four different books i have open right now and all of them say some of your selections cannot be combined into a single parley let's get back to this do you think the panthers are capable of playing a perfect game like that every single week they played a perfect game or do you think the packers overlooked the panthers because i think this was definitely a overlook yeah you're coming off a big win in pittsburg you got monday night football next week against the eagles with a fuckload of playoff implications and seating implications i didn't expect them to lose look this is the it's been

a long time since we'd have a double digit underdogs just went outright. Remember, there were 14 and a half point favorites. A lot of people got fucking banged out in their eliminated pool picks with this pick. And I had a feeling that one of the two favorites was not going to lose. I wasn't going to get that crazy. But one of the two favorites was not going to cover. You had the Rams 14 and a half. You had the Packers 14 and a half. The Rams blew out the Saints. The Packers ended up losing. Did they play a perfect game? Yeah, absolutely. But I think it's really telling that they got lit up by Buffalo the week before. And then they came back defensively. and they lock shit down.

There's a Packers team that's really hard to cover all of their weapons. They do lose Tucker Kraft. He's out for the year with an ACL, which is a fucking massive loss for the Green Bay Packers.

I told you, he reminded me of like Travis Kelsey the way they were using him and how this offense looked with the Chiefs. I made the Chiefs comparison to them back in like 2019, 2020.

That was like the comp that I saw. And them losing Tucker Craft is a big. but do listen man i know i know i know i'm a hypocrite i understand it i'm self-aware i understand it just jumped out to me bro just jumped out to me i think the wax the saints this next week the panthers will uh but that following week against atlanta and atlanta could be a a belt-to-ass game because the falcons definitely want to at least score a fucking touchdown against the panthers this year so i think that's going to be a big big big bounce back spot in division

you're not going to get your ass whoop twice um so make the bets now if you want to listen to nick i will i'm going to say this on record i cannot tail this nick had presented the case to me and i left them on red i i really did he did yeah dick move but i get it left them on red hey sometimes you know if there's nothing nice to say don't say anything at all i love that that's a good one you know a lot of people like the the first kid got of me mine that was a good little rant that was a good rant i got a lot of dms uh a lot from girls with kids uh but hey man like george said you made your bed laying it not my fault okay uh another game i want to discuss yes i don't care bro i don't care that they're six and two they're not passing the sniff test

for me. They're frauds. The Denver Broncos. Frauds, frauds, frauds. They're going to move to seven and two because they play the Raiders this week in Denver, Thursday night football. I'm not buying it, bro. I'm not buying it. There's, there's something about them. I don't like. Shout out to Franklin. He's now leading the team in targets. He's emerged as another weapon for them. I just can't trust Bo Nix. I still feel like they're beating up on on bad teams. I think they got lucky with the Texans. C.J. Stroud got concussed. I felt like I was on the right side of that bet. That Houston defense is really fucking good. Really fucking good. But C.J. Stroud got hurt. Then Bo Nix, listen, in the fourth quarter, he does get it done. He's accounted for the

most touchdowns in the fourth quarter this year among all quarterbacks. So he's doing his thing. finding ways to win. And Broncos fans, by the way, love him. And they were defending him harder than any other quarterback on our social media on the clip that we made that past week about Bo Nix. You can judge how much a fan base truly loves a player by the amount of social media engagement you get. And the Broncos fans came out in droves and were defending him. And I, by the way, Nick, I believed everything you said, because I see, I have two eyeballs, and I witness him overthrow receivers too. And I don't care that he leads the league and touchdown passes for quarterbacks in that draft class. Like, I don't give a fuck. What I do understand is that

there is some voodoo magic happening. All these one score wins, my question to you is, what did Sean Payton do? What did he sell to have the ability to have this many one touchdown wins, possibly even win a Super Bowl? I think, Nick, that he sold his ability to the devil to never have an erection again. I think Sean Peyton loved winning the Super Bowl with the St. So much that he was willing to never get hard again, never take a blue chew, not a single erection. He's fucking he's mushed down there however he will win a Super Bowl again in his lifetime would do you think that it's something along those lines it's crazy the way they're winning look they are winning in ways that i don't know i i can't really explain it like they're

their punter delivered yesterday he he was on point with some of his puns um defensively the defense i don't know if the defense kept them in the game like Davis Mills came in bro yeah and like I had Nico Collins to score a touchdown I got really pissed off about that but you know field position was being flipped every time and then in the last drive that's when they they just come through in the clutch so they're you got to give them some credit for that and they're they're battle tested right to be in these deficits these one score games bo necks does seem to feel comfortable in those spots but he did it again you know last 50 seconds of the game, 25-yard scramble, and then a few plays later, another 9 to 10-yard

scramble, I believe it was, and then they settle down there, and then he throws a touchdown pass to Quillan Sutton, and then, you know, R.J. Harvey, the rookie, has now scored in multiple games in a row. I'm just not buying it, bro. I'm not buying it. Look, their schedule over the next couple. Home to the Raiders. Then they play home to Kansas City. That's a big one. You got a circle there. Yep. Then they go to Washington without Jaden Daniels. Then they go to Vegas. Then they play at home to the Packers, home to the Jaguars, at Kansas City, home to the Chargers. Wow. I think there's two losses there. And I pray to God, they're both to the Chiefs, bro. My division bet all the division winners is looking good. I need the Chiefs to win that game. Yeah.

That is definitely for the division. the punts you had brought up. I had to mention this because I did the research. Twelve punts in the second half. The record for an NFL game was 15. So it was a complete punt fest. Absolutely boring to watch. I was, like I said, at the Raider game,

so I didn't get a chance on Red Zone. Was it ever on TV? No, not until the end. I figured. Not until the end. When they got the ball, like the mid-yard line, and then he ripped off those runs. But yeah, they just, I don't know, I want to see them against Kansas City.

I think that game against Kansas City will be really telling, especially that first one, because that first one's going to be in Denver, coming off extended, you know, the mini-buye, because they play on Thursday Night Football. And then that's going to be the game, I think, where you're like, yo. Because it's a big game now for Kansas City, too. bro, Kansas City has four losses We should talk about that

We should talk about that game next Because that game Everyone has the same take, right? Josh Allen now has one He's 5 and 1 in the regular season Against Mahomes, but in the playoffs he's on for I get it I think the biggest story from this game

Is the defense for the Buffalo Bills Because they were able to make plays When it really mattered Brentford He had a touchdown saving tackle Before half time That led to a field goal That saved him four points

Cole Bishop He Kind of had a coming out party I would say Joey Bosa had a big sack In the fourth quarter Eponessa Did you see that hit he put on Mahomes

On the sideline? Bro, that looked like First of all The fact that wasn't a flag shocking It is It is but it's like That is your dream as a defender.

You get Patrick Mahomes in your sight like that, bro. Oh. Yeah. Oh, I mean, continue, though. It was a big time play. Well, I'll tell you this. I've told you about my sideline theory. That hit happened on the Buffalo sideline.

If that happens on the chief sideline, automatic 15 yards. A fight would have erupted. That, and you know that 27, 250-pound dudes were going to sprint at the referee like this. Yep. So the referee is going to throw the flag. So I want to one day, at the end of the season, what I want to do is I want to go back and look at all the hit out of bounds plays

that led to penalties. I'm willing to bet a lot of money that 70% of them were on the sideline of the player that got hit. Because the reaction is going to be like, yo, bro, imagine you're a fucking, you're a five. That's why they tell you every time, like whenever you watch punt returns,

the sideline that you favor is own sideline like there's a whole bunch of football logic that goes behind you always want to be end up on your sideline it's interesting like go and watch it imagine imagine being a five foot nine five foot 10 53 year old white sideline referee and 25500 pound dudes just sprint at you with helmets on yelling flag fly fly flag you're just over there like shaking you throw a flag because it's on their sideline yeah i'm just almost positive that always happens but epinessa that hit looked like you motherfucker four times you've knocked this out in the playoffs oh yeah you some bitch almost

fucking batista bomb you on the sideline spine buster brother uh but i thought i thought the real story was the bill's defense and then the other part was josh allen put the cape on bro that's the best Josh Allen game of the year. Yeah. He, whenever they needed a big play, he delivered. But for the love of God, Buffalo, the QB sneak. Stop running it to the left, bro. Last year, you ran it five times in the playoff game. Didn't work. You're in the bluesing. Again, if I can figure that out, six beers in on my couch, that you're going to, any time you QB sneak, you're going to go that way. I'm sure defensive coordinators, they get paid millions of dollars and these defensive players. They also know you're going to go that way. Let's do something

different. But Kincaid, big game for Kincaid, scored a touchdown in the first quarter, six catches for 101 yards. And they still don't have that receiver that I think puts fear in your heart. But if Josh Allen is the best player on the field for you, you have a chance. And I think their defense was the biggest story of the game yesterday for me. 100%. And Cook had a bounce back spot too or he's you know finding finding his rhythm but Josh Allen by the way another NFL history stat has been set Josh Allen 47 career games with one or more passing TDs and one or more rushing TDs best pickup in fantasy I mean Cameron my fiancee had picked them up every single year in fantasy and she had made the championship three years in a row this year I took the advice

and it's weeks like this that truly make me realize how special he is. And yeah, crucial downs, bro. Like Patrick Mahomes, what was he, under 50% completion percentage for like the first time in his career? This Sean McDermott defense steps up when it matters in the regular season. Let's, if it doesn't, okay, let's go hypothetical. They meet up again in the playoffs. they lose because the defense doesn't show up. But let's say the defense is healthy.

McDermott's got to go. Yeah? I think unless they win the Super Bowl this year, it's his last year. Okay. Let's keep this in mind because I've been saying it since last year. When we get to that situation, is he going to be able to course correct? And by the way, I'm not like Andy Reed to me, whenever I see a loss like this and I see like a lack of offensive performance,

doesn't it make you just wonder it's like i know they have to win they do have to beat their divisional opponents nothing says that they can't hold back some of the shit that they're going to do later on when it matters most kind of felt like that at times to me yeah yeah he's playing four d chess bro yeah buffalo buffalo to me was a good spot yesterday they won they were my Becky two and three on the picks but I liked it just because they hit the cap was simple also they beat them they beat them in the regular season they don't beat them in the playoffs yep and I think if your Buffalo was a big win for a couple of reasons because now the Patriots are on your heels you got to make sure you can clean that up they're still actually favored Buffalo is to be the

one seed in the AFC even though New England's schedule is really favorable There's also that one more head-to-head that they have that they'll be in New England for. But this is why Buffalo coming into the year was like such a big favorite to be the one seed. And they were the Super Bowl favorite. I was like, yo, if they have home field throughout, Buffalo is a really tough place to play. And I still put it to you this way. I feel a lot better about the Buffalo futures that we have with that performance yesterday. I thought it was a really, really big win for them.

Agreed. Yeah. I like it. I hope that the Pats can continue on their dominance and beat the bills one more time. It'd be really, really good. Dude, I'm five for eight right now and my divisional plays with the Chiefs, the Lions, and there's one other division winner right now that I'm blanking on to win me 12 Gs. Yeah.

So I need the Pats to continue on this route. Do you want to go on to that game next? Stay in the Visioneer? Patriots and Falcons. Yeah. I mean, you told me because I had told you that I had not seen a single second of this game because the morning slate was just loaded, bro. I mean, unless you're out of fucking sportsbook or you have Red Zone on, like it,

it was a multi, multi-view weekend for the morning slate. But I, yeah, I witnessed the field goal miss. the end oh yeah the p a t a oh my god these kickers just continuing to let teams and cities down it's unbelievable parker romeo a new a new kicker he missed the p a t made it 24 23 that's how the game ended and i know you could say like y'all even if he made it new england probably goes down and score yeah for sure but aladdin they get the ball back with a chance to win the game um but michael pennicks bro like again i think i'm loving my theory more and more i don't like lefty quarterbacks it looks like they're in pain every time they go to throw every lefty quarterback and i think

there's only been two that i've been good it's mike vick and steve young mark brunel was all right too when he was the jaguars but that's about it man for me that game like it just sucked that drake london went crazy he had a monster game that was a coming out party for him yep um stephan dix continues to score i think he scored touchdowns now in multiple games in a row 30 to one to be comeback player of the year i think that's interesting but you know already b effect cardi b effect yeah she was at the game celebrated after not just at the game when you're at the game next to robert craft yeah yeah yeah you're trying to make a statement yeah new england is changed yeah we've evolved we're cool now yeah new england is cool again um drake may continuing to ball out

drake may third for mvp right now truthfully i feel like he should be first I don't get why my Holmes and Allen are won to I don't think they're having like MVP seasons Drake May yeah numbers and his team is winning

and then it should be Matthew Stafford No it should be Matthew Stafford first you sly son of a bitch Hey man listen Let me tell you something Right now the LA Rams Currently the favorite and the NFC to be the one seed.

The L.A. Rams should be undefeated. They're six and two. Matthew Stafford in the last two games has their own nine touchdowns. They should be 8 and 0, and the conversation about them is completely different. Again, they lose that weird-ass Thursday night football game where everyone was hurt for the Niners. McVeigh just gets owned by Shanahan in the regular season. he wins like 80% of his games against McVeigh they know each other really well the year that they won the Super Bowl I had the Rams ticket on them to win the Super Bowl and I just remember being so

nervous that they played them in the conference championship game but then he beat him when it mattered there right and then the Rams go on to win the Super Bowl 15 to 1 I made that bet the moment that they signed Matthew Stafford fast forward to this season I said yo Rams best record in the NFL 50 to 1 this was back in April I'm going to put this up so you guys can see it again. I love Devante Adams going over there. Him and Puka went crazy again yesterday. And then Higbee scores a touchdown. Matthew Stafford is bowling out. Their defense, they just picked up one of the best corners from the Titans, McCurry. He comes over. They're loading up. They got versed. They got young. Pass rushers. They got bowlers, man. This team is really, really good.

Very good. And I'm telling you, the conversation is way different if there ain't no. Woulda could have should. I get it. They blow that game in Philly, which was egregious. one of the worst losses a team has had all year but then again you're saying all right yo Philly opened it up it's Philly it's not like they came back and they lost to the Giants like that you know and I love the Giants but that's not a team that should come back on you

Philly coming back I get a championship predigree they're not going to go out like that and also you're going to have them being at home it makes sense but yo they they are flying under the radar bro everyone loves Sam Donald in Seattle however the Niners continuing to win eventually it's going to catch up to San Francisco

this week they play each other the Rams are three point favorites in San Francisco I think that's a fair line do we see Brock Purdy who knows Mac Jones just continues to win with them but like we were saying earlier in the show Williams is now out for the Niners added to Bosa and Warner

and you know Iyuk is still not back fucking it's the McCaffrey show he's an interesting guy for offensive player of the year he's in the top four he's doing everything for them I love this Rams team I feel so good about them they do have a really intriguing stretch

over the next couple of weeks coming up with this game here in the vision at Niners home Seahawks home bucks at Panthers yeah and then they close out the season

at Atlanta versus the Cardinals Yeah. And then in between that, you got the lions coming to the Rams. Yep. And then you got to go to Seattle, right? So I just really like this team, man. I really like this team. I like, again, that they're flying under the radar.

I don't understand how the lions, the Packers, and the Eagles are all favored over them to go to the NFC. I don't get it. So back home, we call it goggles. Like, you ever have your friend date some girl? Right. And like, they just have goggles for her. Like, they just can't see anywhere else. So do you think I have goggles for the Rams because I'm financially invested?

Because I have been called out for this in the past. It's shocking to say the least that only this week after an eruption versus a very, very bad Saints team that everyone is like, oh, hey, by the way, Matthew Stafford on pace for like 40 touchdowns and four interceptions, right? and you know starting to compare those numbers with past MVP winners and now the the headlines are being written so I think the respect is being put on but I think people are are over like the old people show you know I think Devonte Adams going over there Matt Stafford remember for a portion of the offseason it was is Matt Stafford coming back right you had all this shit with the podcast with his wife. She's making announcements on his career. He comes out and he says, we're going to do it. They get Devante Adams. And I think it was like a fun offseason headline for a moment in time.

Then reality came. The NFL preview shows start gassing up. Jordan Love and the Packers. The Packers are a very unique test case in the situation for a team that honestly fraud check alert more than the Broncos in my opinion. the lions are going to get the love that they get with Dan Campbell. So I think there was- Fuck that team, bro. We'll get to them. Sorry, I'm just, you know, I'm worked up when it comes to Detroit talk. My bad.

Fuck that team? The Lions, yeah. I mean, you still got to respect them. Okay. Would you ever, I get where you're coming from. That was very impassioned. What Dan Campbell has done with the Lions, you can't say, that team from them being a legitimate super bowl contender for nick deus yeah they're not okay

they're not i feel you you can't have j j mccarthy come back and now he's 2 and o in division on the road right there's only the third game he's played so to me i just don't buy them i think jared golf is going to have those kind of games i think until they officially unleash Jemir Gibbs there's going to be issues for them and also James like bro you you just extended this guy in the offseason he's making like 20 plus million dollars a year he can't be getting no targets and just running sprints and cardio like he's a legitimate weapon and again they jump out to the lead with Leporta on the first drive they're very aggressive they go for it on fourth down and he breaks a couple tackles and he scores a touchdown

I don't understand it, but I want to go back to the Rams because, you know, two weeks ago was Mahomes as MVP, now it's Taylor, was last week. You know, Jonathan Taylor got stifled in Indianapolis, in Pittsburgh, I should say, we'll get to them in just a second. Now everyone's talking about Matthew Stafford. I saw someone on a very promising network say, who saw this coming? I did. I did. I love what we're building. I've been building this shit out together for a couple of years.

I've been doing this show for about a decade. It's moments like this that I wish the platform was bigger. Because I hate when people are like, yo, who saw this coming? I did, bro. Like, adamantly since April. I've been telling you guys, the Rams, the Rams, the Rams. 21 touchdowns, two interceptions. He's just dialed in, bro.

and the other thing that I love about him, Matthew Stafford, that is. Any spot, any place. I'll go into Philly. You know, Eagles fans are going to be nervous. I'll go into Detroit. And even those playoff games that they lost, he had the ball with, you know, at the end of the game.

He's going to keep you close. And I think he's legitimately the best quarterback in the NFC. So I also have that too. I love it. Keep flying under the radar. Don't mention it at all. Don't worry. We'll be.

We'll be gunning with the Rams I still just can't get over how you said fuck the lions like that So why do you like the lions? Tell me why you like the lions What have they done to prove to you That they're a legit team They just get fraud checked every time bro

I get you That's what I mean by like fuck the lions I get it I get it losses The three losses the Packers the Chiefs And the Vikings you know i think you know it was a wounded buccaneers team that they beat up on the bengals the browns hobbled ravens and and the bears earlier on in the year i'll give them the ravens win because lamar played right and and the bears you know considering that they're not as terrible as

we thought they were but to me it was can they replicate a similar feel that they had from last year And I think that that still exists within the culture of the team. So I do think that this was definitely a gut check for them. Obviously, losing at home to a divisional opponent being favored by eight and a half points is, you know, as big of a reality check as you can get in the NFL season. But I still buy into their philosophy and how everybody understands who they are. because there's still plenty of NFL teams that are out there that are searching for who are we?

Identities. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They don't have to worry about that. So that's why I'm like, I get where you're coming from as far as we want them to stand out as like legit contenders. But in terms of Lions football history, I mean, bro, this is about as good as you're going to get.

You know? we expect more out of them than they expect out of themselves they remind me of the bully that when they get bullied they fold the viking sun them and like in new york lingo when someone's like yo you just got sunned it's like an insult but like if you know someone and i'm like yo this is my son it's like a good thing but it could be taken as like a dis i feel you if if you're like yo this is my son you know you know this is my son you know you You know, like I tell a lot of my friends in the group chat, I'm like, yo, these are my sons. I say it like intentionally.

You know, I'm 8 and 1. I lost the first time in fantasy this week. Fall apart. He's human. It's human. It happens. It happens. I bench Stafford for Jordan Love.

So it didn't matter because I lost by 60. Jesus Christ. So it was good. But the Vikings just bullied this shit out of them. Blitzes. They shut down the running back duo, Sonic and Knuckles. And if they can't run the ball, then Jared. golf can't run play action they're a completely different team you saw this is what happened in the

playoff game in washington they jump out to early lead the lines with all that firepower they can't play from behind correct they're a team that when they're bullying you they're elite look at the games that they won they're up all the games that they lost they were trailing they had to play from behind that's why they couldn't catch the chiefs they they couldn't catch the packers They couldn't catch the Vikings. When they're playing from behind, they're not a team you should lie a bet on. Does that make sense?

Agreed. Like there's a couple teams that when you see them are like, yeah, I should jump in on this right now. It is a good spot. Like they can play, their offense still stays the same. It doesn't with Detroit. And that's why I think they got out bullied by a team with basically a rookie quarterback.

You're coming off a buy. I know it's in the vision, but like, bro, all I saw from them all last week was their Halloween costumes. That's all I kept seeing about Detroit. Yeah. And, yo, Jamie Gibbs, he killed it with the Jeff Hardy. I'm a lifelong wrestling fan.

I fucking, if you could pull off a wrestling costume, I'm in. Right? I'm in. But also, when this happens, they just got out bullied by a team that shouldn't be out bullying you. Like, Minnesota's not that good, bro. Minnesota's not a good team.

No. I think that this game proved how well coached of a team that they are. That was a pretty big nut sack play to on a need to ice the game to call a back shoulder fade where J.J. McCarthy completes the pass. And by the way, I have to bring this up. I don't know if you saw this. J.J. McCarthy's stat line and their two wins has been identical. In both games, he threw for 143 yards. In both games he threw for two touchdown. In both games, he threw for one interception, and in both games, he ran one. For a touchdown.

Yeah. That's insane. And you know what else, too? They're four and four. This division, all four teams have four or more wins. And then if you look at the division odds, it's Packers, Lions, basically a coin flip. And then you've got the bears are like plus 800, and the Vikings are 15 to 1. It's a really interesting division.

Yeah, but I'm not, I'm not buying Minnesota. I'm not buying Minnesota, and I'm just, I don't want to hear nothing about the lines. Just don't. Let me get you to try to believe in J.J. McCarthy. You know he joined Hall of Famer Dan Marino and Patrick Mahomes as the only quarterbacks drafted in the first round to win two road divisional games over their first three career starts since 1970. J.J. McCarthy, Dan Marino, Patrick Mahomes. Yeah.

You believer? I'm fucking with you, bro. These stats that they pull to make these quarterbacks seem legit is hilarious. Bro, there was a good one about Jackson Dart. It's like the people that he's with for the first six starts in his career. It's Mahomes, Dante Culpepper, Mark Bulger, Josh Allen, and Deshawn Watson. And I was like, I like all that company, except, you know, take it easy on the massages. Everything else, I'm for it.

I'm for it. J.J. McCarthy, we got to wait and see. I do feel like collectively we, and I do it too, right? Like, I'm doing it with Jackson Dart. Like, I'm ready to build this statue for him. He's putting up big numbers and he's playing well. And Theo Johnson drops two out of every three passes they get thrown his way. But he always gets open.

and him and DART have a good relationship on the field. He just doesn't deliver. And I'm ready to crown quarterbacks right away, and then I'm ready to, you know, jump off the bandwagon right away. J.J. McCarthy had the world's longest ankle sprain ever. But then yesterday, he looked good. He looked good. And they're four and four right now.

We'll wait and see. We'll wait and see. I do want to talk about another team that's in that division. Quietly, quietly. They were my division winner. The five and three Chicago Bears. Yeah. Okay.

Craziest game ending I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. It was 4127 with two minutes left. And Bears defense kind of played like Prevent. Like, all right, we'll give up a touchdown. And then the Bengals recover an onside kick. And then they take the lead with under a minute left. The Bengals do.

And then Caleb Williams makes a crazy play to Colson Loveland coming out party for him. He scored two touchdowns with 17 seconds left. The story for me is the Cincinnati Bengals defense. Bro, listen to this. From the start of last year, I'm going to give you the amount of points the Bengals have scored in losses. So everything I'm about to read you guys right now and everything that you're seeing in this clip, or if you're watching the video on the Your Welcome Network, rate review, subscribe. These are how many points they scored in losses.

33, 38, 34, 38, 38. 38, 38, this is from last year. Jesus. Since last year. So between Joe Burrow and Joe Flackle, these are the, These are the losses that they've suffered.

I mean, bro, like, defensively and organizationally, malpractice what they've done. The fact that they've lost these games the way they have, losing to the Jets at home the way you did. And I get it. Nick Mangold passed away early that morning. He was an Ohio guy. They're playing in Ohio. they played for nickname i i i understand that but like justin fields and bryce hall had fucking career games in that fourth quarter unbelievable unbelievable performances by this

defense another fucking devastating loss and like if you're the offense you're like yo bro what the fuck man jimar chase uh i love his i love his emotion on the sideline he's such a good watch on the sideline because they go immediately to him because they know joe flacco can give two shits what happened you know he's just new to the party but the the real pain comes from jemar walking into locker room saying one fucking stop he was just saying one fucking stop and you feel for the guy because i mean i mean we had the debate last week about how important a good defense is and i'm i'm pretty sure matt stafford and devante adams thank god every day that they aren't having to deal with these types of losses because i mean

i knew that over 51 and a half and my head should have been my best bet of the weekend but i put it from my trust me just because i knew there was not going to be a semblance of defense and they almost fucking double the point total obviously a lot of fuckery happens at the end um four bears attempted a pass are we seeing ben johnson in full effect now 100% uh the bears are one team when you had listed at them at plus 800 to win the division kind of piqued my fancy a little bit i i'm not going to lie i think that this bears team is playing with a little bit of aura and swagger i mean you look at that game yesterday that's not a a game that bears win in the last decade but they have that you know will and and want to and i mean at

giving up an onside kick and still winning the game is almost unheard of yeah almost unheard of i was thinking about this is a successful onside kick the coolest moment in sports that doesn't result in a win i think it is hmm so you're saying you to recover an onside kick successfully right is that the coolest moment in sports that doesn't directly result in a win because you still have to go win afterwards right but the excitement level is like, yeah, we just won. Correct. Because it doesn't happen often.

Yes. There's only one other thing that I feel as comparable to this in a different sport. Hitting a home run, a go-ahead home run in the top of the ninth. Knowing that you still got to play defense,

but that feeling of like, oh, shit, we could actually win this. Bro, I know we don't talk much about baseball, but this Dodgers and Blue Jays series, to your point, and I'm going to bring it back to what you're saying. Like, it's, I feel like a go-ahead home run

or a game-tying home run. Like, that moment off the bat is probably my favorite in professional sports. I'm talking about, like, 3-1 count, you're down 2-0, there's a runner on second and third, and just the pop. And the crowd just knows.

The batter knows, the pitcher knows the pitcher drops because he knows he just left that shit over high high and in the middle right right you hang them we bang them that's what my baseball coach used to say back in the day like that was like a saying and and to your point it's like you're up but shit now we got to defend yeah

you know yeah and I really the way you explain that you've kind of swung me that that might be the coolest moment that doesn't result in the win directly yeah but like the onside kick, it's the pile, right? And you see all the gloves point in the direction. You start seeing the sideline jumping, the referees pulling bodies off. And then they do the point. And then obviously, since it's such a mucky play, you've got to review it every time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hit bro's foot. Yeah. Bro, you know what else? As I'm wearing a soccer jersey and we do got the World Cup coming out next year, when you win a penalty kick. It's pretty comparable, bro. Okay.

Because you're like, yeah. And then you're like, you still got a score. Yeah. You know, you still got a score. And that could be, that could be. Damn. There's so many good moments that fall in a decade. Those three for sure.

Or like another one, too. Make a YouTube compilation. Think about this. In the NBA, right? It's 30 seconds left on the clock. You're down three. You hit the game tying three. But now you got to defend.

And maybe you're playing a team that got Luca or Steph or LeBron. like these dudes that you know the rant that's like you've seen it it's happened so many times right like so yeah this was a good this was good man i kind of like the topics that we talk about because the the the topics we brought up here on this one because you know they're going to get here's the reason why i bring it up bro is because the penalty kicks are never going away you hitting a late three is never going away you hitting a home run at the top of the ninth inning is never going away they're going to fucking ban the onside kick it's inevitable like i literally think this might be it this might be the final year that they do this because everybody wants to see the fourth and 15

and i just say that you know what i mean like kickers kickers don't have a lot to do maybe that's why kickers are so bad these days is because they're just not honing in on their craft the fact that more teams that don't do onside kicks to me is kind of crazy so that this this was prior to week nine and this was the only onside kick that happened there were three of 41 successful onside kicks so this would make it four of 42 about 8 percent so it's not it's something that's like rare perfecting the craft yeah you're telling me bro that these special teams coordinator like if you get like a seven foot six giant and just understand that he's got to run 10 yards you do a high kick to him the like i'm very shocked there hasn't been a a special teams coordinator mad scientist

that's perfected the onside kick it needs it man save onside kicks this is a pro onside kick podcast yeah yeah and i know i'd be talking mad shit about kicking i have a mean onside kick bro i think we all do i think that's every no no but like i have i i used to like every camp i would ever go to i'd i'd have the best on side kick on the tee or off the tea half halfway half t half off and i would have one big bounce high up in the air and i would always get it like they used to set up buckets damn and i used to hit the buck like bro i was nasty i'm an athlete bro. By the way, I respect it. I'm one of those animals that you put just to absolutely torpedo someone. By the way, you want to call targeting. Call targeting every time an onside kick

happens because it happens. Yeah, one of the vlogs we got to do is me like the combine video we're going to have this year is going to be. Oh, you're going to do nothing but kicking drills, bro. You're not throwing a ball, by the way. You're either a kicker or a quarterback. I'm an athlete. with my with my 5 340 speed baby that's funny yo what other game you want to discuss because I feel like we hit on all the main ones the Steelers versus the Colts yeah it's good

to see both of the teams that you predicted to do well like have like a duke it out battle and so for me I was like absolutely shocked that the Steelers were able to show up on defense the way that they did. I mean, we ended up with the Mike Tomlinism at the end of the game. Better to be stomping grapes than drinking wine. Yeah. So whenever you get a win and a Mike Tomlinism attached to it,

it's a good day. It's a good day. Even though the Colts are a team that I'm high on and I was really, you know, absolutely stunned in the way that they were not able to get the ball moving. Daniel Jones, when the pockets collapsing around him, looked a lot like the Daniel Jones I saw with the New York Giants. Timid, throwing the ball behind receivers. I had as many turnovers yesterday as he did all season.

Doubled it. Doubled. Yeah. Yeah. He had three coming into the week. And then he doubled that in Pittsburgh. Yep. worst defeat of the year and despite all that they lost by seven right and i think everyone is saying

that yo a lot of giants you know obviously i follow a lot of giants content everyone's like colts fans buckle up this is i don't think that's fair it was a bad spot it was a gut check for the steelers they had just lost at home to the packers they were at home again obviously you got the The Ravens now creeping. Ravens still favored to win the division, despite being one in five at the time. You know, they had a big win on Thursday night football against Miami, but I think it was more, it was shocking how well

the most expensive defense in the league played. And I wonder if the Colts are going to be a team. They kind of do need to have home field to be the juggernaut. This is their first time playing Unreal Grass. all season it's been a while like it's it's been a while because the last time this happened was when they played the titans in september they were outdoors there but then you look at it like rams game was indoors chargers game was indoors this is the first time since september 21 21st i don't know why i said that so foreign september 21st that they played outdoors

and then you look at the rest of their schedule they're going to germany this week this week This was supposed to be the offensive player of the year bowl. They play the Falcons in Germany. Then they play at Kansas City. Then they play home to the Texans. And then they got at Jaguars at Seattle. Got an interesting stretch here. Yeah.

You don't want to fall apart. That's why I feel like Stuyken being minus one, no, being plus 125 to be coached in a year, you don't want to peak early. Remember we were talking about that with MVP? Yep. Like you want to, you want to peak late. you want to have those three touchdown, 300-yard passing games the last five weeks. Like what Stafford has done in these last three weeks, if we could get that weeks 15, 16, 17, 17, 18,

oh, yeah, we're good. It's his. You know, it's his. So it's kind of the same thing here. It's kind of the same thing here with the Colts. I don't think it's fair to criticize Daniel Jones and say, like, yo, this is what it was in the Giants. It was a really bad spot. And I just think that they might be a team that when they're home, you love them.

When they're on the road, it got to be like, they got to be playing someone ass. Yeah. Pittsburgh isn't really ass. I still think Pittsburgh's a team that they were going to bounce back. It was a classic Mike Tomlin spot at home as a dog. And that line, again, like, we said this last week, bro. It was a really suspect week. Like the lines just didn't pass the eye test.

They were just all very fishy lines. And this was one of them. It was minus three all weeks. And then morning up, I guess the three and a half of the Colts. And I was like, mm. i don't know yeah i don't know i didn't i personally didn't bet this game i didn't i didn't have i think i had just tyler warren to score was like the only bet i made in that and he didn't score in that game so yeah yeah Pittsburgh you know Pittsburgh their defense showed up and if

the defense plays like that it could be something but i don't know the yeah it can be something it's just it's really frustrating to not see Aaron rogers throw the ball down field like we have to see this dk mckoff situation be uh every single a week, I am going to find him eight to ten times a game. Two receptions yesterday for six yards. Season low. Jalen Warren was held to 1.9 yards per carry on 16 carries. And then you had just Rogers just not pushing it down the field at all. Even though he completed 24 of his 32 attempts for one 91 uh only three passes were over 10 yards like i understand there's respecting a defense and there's not taking unnecessary risks which i would say like Aaron rogers if he's good for

anything he's he's confident and understanding when it's over and when to give up on a play and his his extending of plays he's really saving for later on down the road i'm hoping uh It made me feel happy about my Aaron Rogers for MVP, Mike Tomlin coach of the year. You need wins like this to build on to that resume. And what's to it to see Aaron Rogers go absolutely apeshit on the back half of the season. And the Steelers kind of continue to run with the headlines.

They really did win the headlines this week. Whenever you get a Mike Tomlin quote, that's the one thing that everyone's going to talk about on every single talk show. I need nine more of those and then I'll be a happy guy any other games no that's it for me man

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Yeah. I'm five and three on the year. We both lost our Monday winners. You had Colts minus three, I had Cowboys minus two and a half. Both lost outright. So there you have it. Shout out to Monday winners. I'm going to go first this week.

I am going to take the Chicago Bears and you know who they're playing the New York Giants they're three and a half point favorites in Chicago I think the Giants don't win another game the rest of the year damn

ever since the Denver Bronco game the way it happened they're just going to spiral and they're going to continue to spiral I'm watching the games now for the Giants and I have just one thing on my mind. The following players, please don't get hurt. Andrew Thomas, Brian Burns, Dool Carter, and the Lord and Savior, Jackson Dart.

Just don't get hurt. But I think Chicago at home, three and a half, yeah, I think this is like Caleb Williams Masterclass. I think Roma Dunzee gets sent to the end zone. If you want to take Bears money line and Roma Dunezay to score, you get plus 240. I like that one a lot. Roma Dunezay, zero in fantasy. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, some targets. Well, no reception. Nothing. Zero. Goose egg on the yardage, right? And everyone gets right against the New York Giants. Defensively, they are abysmal. The 49ers have one guy you got to worry about.

And Christian McCaffrey was 20 yards open inside the red zone, which is very condensed. difficult to get open. That's how open he got against the New York Giants. He just rolled out the backfield. Night Jones was like, oh my God. Touchdown. I like Chicago minus three and a half. How's my Monday winner? What do you got? My Monday winner is going to be next Monday. Give me the Eagles plus two and a half right now against the Green Bay Packers. They have the Packers number. Last season, twice. This season, it should be a Packers bounce back spot back at home. But when you're the champs and everybody expects you to do champion-like things, this is the game in which you embarrass a team that's already been embarrassed at home.

So I like the Eagles here at plus two and a half. That's the Monday winner. I would have wanted to put in this, by the way. I'm getting an inkling. This is a Taysam Hill game. My censors? I'm all in. My sensors are halfway up.

My Taysam Hill antenna is starting to read accurately. It's so bad. It always happens when things are the worst for the Saints that he is at quarterback way more often. I think we understand that we're going to be drafting a quarterback again next year. And, you know, we're going to make the most of our investment. And Tysm Hill is going to score not one, not two, but three touchdowns.

Now that's nuts. The Panthers' defense line won't allow that. But definitely Taysam Hill to score a touchdown this next week is going to be a part of the anytime touchdown parlay. You ready to go to Thursday night? Yeah, so Thursday night. We're going to start giving out picks for the Thursday night game. We're also going to be only exclusively in the Discord and on the socials at Nick Day is 10, mr underscore george underscore carmona and at veterans minimum you'll get the first touchdown for

thursday night football which by the way back to back baby come on dude you're fucking unbearable and i'm done making the graphics too if i lose this week if you go three p i'm done making the graphics you know how to do it you can keep typing in george negative three hundred George negative $325 oh and 17 I felt vindicated earlier today I saw somebody tweet I don't know who it was exactly but they said that they had just finally hit their first ever first touchdown score of this season and they're like oh for 32 so and they're betting multiple shits we're just doing Thursday night football I can only bear to do Thursday night football are you kidding me bro I there was that trend a little bit in basketball with that there was that one guy who got popular

because he kept betting the first basket props yeah yeah he was getting he was hitting him pretty consistently too i was like basketball it's a little different you know football it's the gods have to you know grant you access and you've been granted access yeah back-to-back weeks 10 to 1 and 11 to 1 gadsen two weeks ago mark andrews this week so yeah five Follow us on socials for that. But for me, a prop that I really like. Over 36 and a half yards for Troy Franklin. He currently has more targets than Cortland Sutton.

He leads the Denver Broncos in targets. And they are at home on a short week against the Raiders. The Raiders get absolutely smoked by wide receivers. They are bottom five. If you're looking at it from a fantasy perspective, in points allowed to wide receivers. Troy Franklin, a wide receiver. I like him at 36.5 is over at minus 115.

And then if you ladder him up to 60 plus yards, you can get plus 300. So 36 and a half yards for Troy Franklin and a ladder up to 60 plus at plus 300. Love it. Put that in with the Jacoby Myers anytime, touchdown the reason why i'm picking jacobi meyers is because i got to bear witness to obviously brock bowers success and in glory and in just he would have won offensive player of the year

it had been healthy all year that's just the way it is uh they will focus on brock the entire game i know vance joseph is going to be dialing up a shit ton of pressures and i really do think that the way that the Raiders used Jacoby Myers, which I found to be pretty impressive, is they put him in the slot like basically right next to Bowers. So whenever there was double teams going Bowers way, Myers was always the option. And I just think coming off of three touchdowns, I'm worried about Brock getting in again. I think that Jacobi Myers is the second best option. And Jacobi Myers against the Broncos last time he played him 10 receptions 121 yards no touchdown I think he he wants to go back and and make it right and and get in the end zone versus those guys he has actually

if you want to go with the yardage prop he's never had a game versus the Broncos in which he's had less than 60 receiving yards so Jacoby Myers loves mile high that's love that there's And follow us on social to get the first TD. All right, George, before we wrap, we got to address this. Man, we said this a couple of years ago. More and more people are going to be getting in trouble with the sports betting. And there was an incident in the UFC over the weekend. And a lot of people might think it was going to fly under the radar.

But it was a fight night at the apex. It's not a pay-per-view. It's not a T-Mobile. on Abu Dhabi or Brazil or MSG. It's a regular fight night. You know it's bad, bro, when the sports books are like, if you bet on this outcome and loss, we're going to refund you your money.

That's how you know shit hit the fan. So what happened for those of you that might have not seen it? The name of the fighter is Isaac Dolgarian. He was a minus 275 favorite, a big prospect going up against a guy from Q. Cuba, Yadir Delval, full transparency. I actually like Delval to win this fight. He's a good prospect as well.

But the fight starts, and Dolgarian is, again, he's a big prospect. Big favorite, minus 270. Yeah. An hour before the fight, it got flagged by a couple sports books for unusual betting activity. from minus 275 to minus 150 This is also a guy who earlier in the week in an interview

said that fighters should get 3 to 5% off sports betters winners No A couple of weeks ago We didn't talk about it It was going to be a topic Who is the quarterback that addressed the point spread

At the end of the game Because they went like out of bounds Or something Fernando Mendoza Okay Of the Indiana Hoosiers Okay yo athletes I know you want to

to sound cool and be like yeah the point spread some people are going to you know what you do you invite the FBI who's lurking oh the block is incineratingly hot right now block is hot and the FBI is like what do you mean by that let's look into that basically these guys are snitching on themselves yeah he's also once been cornered by the one and only James Krause yeah who this Gandal hit a couple years ago. Awfully reminiscent. Big favorite line jumps significantly. Guy gets stopped in the first round.

Deval to win in the first round went from plus 850 to plus 400. This guy Dolgarian shoots for a takedown, gets stuffed. And the way he gets submitted, George, is like white belt shit. Like I was telling my buddies, I was like, bro. three months of training you'd be able to defend the rear naked choke better than he was. Yeah.

And he got called out my Michael Kiesa on the post the post fight and was like white belt shit. Like the fighters were calling it. The fighters were like blown away. Again, this kid was like a prospect. And he's already been released by the UFC.

Probably not going to fight in the UFC again. Nope. sports books like Caesars and MGM and William Hill mobile customers were losing bets on the Dolgarian fight will receive cash credit within 24 hours and if you had a parlay from a four leg it would go to a three leg they avoided it for them to do that

it's wraps bro it's wraps and my question what I would love to know is like how much debt was he in you have to fix it and then also like again this isn't a guy like making 80 80 these guys are like on 25 25 and what that means is like 25k to show you make weight you get 25k and then if you win you get another 25k so that's your win bonus and then of course you have performance of the nights and stuff like that that's why you see a lot of fighters do go into fights hurt Because it's like, yo, I got to make weight so I can get some money at least.

And then when they miss weight, they forfeit their purse and shit like that. And a regular betting activity in a very suspect loss. Like that's the kind of shit where like if you were to tell someone like, yo, watch these fights not knowing, which one you think looks suspect? They'd be like, that shit. This guy was minus 275? Yeah. And he got mauled, bro.

like not only you know he got the submission like late into the first round but you're talking about anyone that has trained within three months would be able to defend that way more efficiently yeah and there's going to be more to this story that's why we're ending with this and then we'll pick up with it on the next show um really suspect and like the timing of it is because crazy because here's the thing are we also approaching the era that with all the transparency and being a fighting especially you everybody on Twitter saw the line movement and this was something that had to have been brought up to Dana White before that fight started there's zero percent chance that Dana White did not know about that

line movement before that fight started and I'll echo what Ariel Hawani said if he knew he should have stopped the fight and he should have not allowed it to happen because it's a shitty look for your sport now that the public basically forced your hand into firing this dude before any major investigations come in and and my question to add on to the list of questions that you generated was how much was being put down and is this like a lesson for people in the future because it's still going to happen even though people get caught people are still stupid enough to do it now you just know you can't be an hour before the fight and drop it had to have been 25 grand bro like minimum

but i don't think you'd be allowed to put 25 gs on a on a prop like that do you do you like what do you do most books will limit you on props to a thousand bucks if you're lucky it'll be higher than that unless you work something out with the book on a specific prop but then you only would get that on specialty games you bring up a really good point that you draw even more attention to yourself when you do it an hour before you're about to fight when you're two fights from going because the UFC spaces it out where it's like 30 minute blocks right and yeah a couple times a couple quick finishes they'll rush through it but when there's a couple quick finishes you'll see the same promo package going on so they'll do that but it's it's fascinating for fighters

like no one should do it but like you're talking about guys that probably make 20 30 k to show with the basketball shit. Terry Rozier made $161 million. It's a lot harder to defend it. It's not the same. No, no, it's not. It's not the same. And I haven't been keeping up with the UFC as much as you have,

but from what I've heard is that there's been plenty of finishes recently that are also suspect. And this is a part of an organization that is ran by a guy whose entire part of, public persona is he's the biggest gambler in the fucking world. I don't know. Yeah. Hey, I, would you be surprised if Dana, you know, the block gets to the point where it's too hot and Dana says, I'm hiring a new CEO? No, no.

The only way that would happen is if he's the one betting on fights, which I don't think so. Dana White has made it very clear that he likes to play his blackjack and his craps and his Bachrod and all that shit. I don't think he would do that. I also really fuck with Dana White because the level of don't give a fuck that he has. Correct. And like he called out the fighters. He called out the old fighters.

He calls out fighters when they do something wrong. Bryce Mitchell had those anti-Semitic comments one time. He was like, he's a fucking idiot to go out and say that. Like who's in his team? Who lets him do that? Who let's, why are you around them? So he's, he's policed that. Dana White, very polarizing figure.

Some people like him. Some people don't like him. I love him. I like his level of I don't give a fuck. I think it's respectable. My favorite people are those kind of people. So I don't think so. I think the only way that would happen is if they find out that Dana White is involved on it,

which I don't think he's involved in it. I think the big issue is what you said, and I'm sticking to that point where like, yo, bro, you shouldn't do it. But when you do do it and you do it right before it's going to happen, Yeah, you're just raising red flags And then it goes back to the rant that I had two weeks ago Who sniffed this out?

The sports books They were like, yo fishy shit is going on on this fight Flag it What's the guy's name? The FBI director? Cash Cash Patel Yeah, yo Cash, look into this shit

No one's watching the apex but some wild shit's going down Or, yeah, pro tip the legit pro tip here if you're going to put down an enormous bet you can't do that from an account that was just created and you don't bet like that like there's so many things that

I feel like the normal UFC guy who's telling his buddy I'm going to do this doesn't think about like oh you know you should probably show the sports book that you do bet thousands of dollars a hand and that this isn't like a holy shit this dude that bets $25 is just thrown down 10Ks

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. A little shit like that. Again, you bring, you bring attention to yourself, bro. You bring attention to yourself. I'll never forget on a very, on a way less level. It was Euro 2016. England was plus 800.

I came to Vegas to party with my buddies. It was the week before the Euro Cup. And I wanted to put $1,000 on England to win the Euro Cup. I went to, I was staying at the, I was staying at the Luxor at the time. I went across to the MGM. I would go to place. the bet the guy wouldn't take the bet for me i had no players card i had a new york id i was of age right but they're like yeah we can't take that bet if you want it for 250 well you could take it for

250 so i put it for 250 and then i went to the cosmo and i put another 250 because the same thing happened same because you know jane i ended up putting my thousand but it wasn't on one ticket god because it was random it's like yo we're not going to just let you do that so that Yeah, very interesting stuff in the UFC, very interesting stuff going on in the sports world. This was Veterans Minimum, the number one sports betting vibe on the internet. Thank you all for watching. Rate review, subscribe to the YouTube channel if you're watching us here on the Your Welcome Network. Rate review, subscribe on Spotify, Apple.

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