IT IS WHAT IT IS - DID KLAY THOMPSON REALLY FUMBLE MEGAN THEE STALLION DEABTE, NBA PLAYOFFS & MAURICE CLARETT IN STUDIO

Episode Date: April 28, 2026

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Welcome back to It Is What It is. I'm Treasure Wilson, aka Stat Baby, along with your host, Mace and Cam, and y'all. Today we got a special guest. We got some family in the building. Well, what's good? You finally made it through the palm trees and everything, man. What's going on?

Killer, what's good? It's good. I'm going on. Just shook up. Yo, now we hear you. Yeah, now we hear you. Everything's good. Drops, I said, I'm good.

Good, Mom. Happy you made it, man. Yeah, I thought you was going to be here. Happy to be here. Happy to be in Vegas. Happy to see everybody. Happy to see Statt, Nick. Yeah.

Energy was up. First thing, when I see Mesa, I said, man, I brought my brothers with me. I said, where my palm trees is at. So we was here to get our palm trees in person. Hey, even seeing it, you know, seeing it was like, you know, can't wait to get with you. So it's a good day, man.

Yeah, yeah. We'll send us to be in town to, tomorrow. I'll be back tomorrow as well. So we'll see you. And I'm happy you made it, brother. Yeah, looking forward to it. Yes, glad to have you here. So we got a lot of basketball to talk about. We're going to start with the magic. So the magic are up three to one in the series after beating the top seated pistons, 94 to 88. Maurice, going to let you go first. What do you think is the problem with the pistons? And do you think they can fix it before this next game? What's going on over there? No, we were watching the game

We were watching the game in the hotel And obviously when everybody's seen the game The magic has started all very fast And I thought that that was the initial problem For the Pistons where they didn't have Just the presence of mind To not let somebody jump on them pause Coming out the game and an away game

Where you have to close a gap between the games that you're down And the problem to me came from Them not having any production out of somebody else outside of Kay Cunningham and Tobias Harris. And when they started to sort of, I don't know, shift the momentum of the game, there wasn't anybody else who can relieve Kay Cunningham from driving the ball to the hole and giving you a decent shot outside of Tobias Harris. When they started to get things going, as he said, what his name, Jeline Stort,

the enforcer, I like to call his name, you know, he started to lose track and started to be disruptive, but he lost sort of like, you know, I guess I say, track of game with his disruptive behavior towards the people to Orlando Magic. So I just don't think that they have enough pieces. I don't think that they can come back or I don't think they'll, you know, come back. But I'm rooting for Orlando and seeing Orlando finals. Yeah, man, this was really good for Orlando.

I mean, because they've always been getting right there, but never really making any leeway. I think last year they were supposed to win as well. and this year was more like the year they shouldn't have, I don't think they should have won against this Detroit team. But when you got three players getting close to 20 points, you're pretty much going to win a game. They got four players and high double figures.

It's just a total team effort. And it didn't matter that you got Kate, who got like 28 close to 30, and then you got your boy Tobias scoring points. But it just doesn't seem like this, This Orlando team is feeling like laying down. Paul, sometimes that's what it is. A team that you're better than, but you know this in sports,

Mo, you just like Killerset, I know these niggins, man. And they could beat everybody else, but I know this nigga. I grew up playing against him. He's always been nervous against me. And this is one of those things. Like, we always saw Bain in the Minnesota vibe, I mean, in the Memphis vibe. But we always knew he could get busy. Now he's showing that he could get busy by itself without no jaw, without the whole Memphis.

And this is a great thing. And shout out the sham guard. A lot of this guard play. We got to celebrate home team, killer. Shout out the sham guard. It seemed like everywhere he go, gods get better. So whoever's watching this, whoever's listening to it is what it is, it's time to get paid. It's time to get paid.

That boy, good. I ain't going to say we learned from, but that boy good. That boy good. Hey, Cam. Yeah, if you're the Detroit Pistons, you're not going to win with Kay Cutterham and only scored two points in the fourth quarter. Not only that Orlando shot terribly from the free throw line

in the fourth quarter under 50%. They have several opportunities to win this game, but it seemed like they more or less beat their self, not taking anything away from what Orlando did, but Detroit, you had opportunities to win this and you didn't. On the hustle the 50-50 balls,

Orlando was sliding on the floor, loose balls, several opportunities to get second, third, not just third, fourth shots. And I was saying that they're out hustling them. They just wanted more than Detroit did it seem like. And when I'm looking at this, you're not going to win without that dog in them.

It just goes to show how sports are. We were just talking about a week ago probably about Orlando's coach getting fired. And they were in the playing. And then they ended up winning and getting out of the playing. And come in the number eight seed and possibly be the number one seed. So week to week, you know, sports changes. And, you know, I used to be one of the people before I started doing this, be like, oh, remember you said this?

Remember you said that? Now, I'm in a predicament when I'm sitting here talking about how Detroit may go to the Eastern Conference finals and they're a game away from getting eliminated. Am I going to count Detroit out right now? No, I'm not going to count them out right now. Franch Wagner also got hurt in this game. He had 19 points. We're contributed to Orlando.

So, therefore, that's a key piece that may not play next game. So we'll see what happens. I'm not going to wish if Orlando or anybody congratulate. because we'll be sitting here congratulating somebody and then next week we'll be like, see what happened, finish the job, and then I'll give out my congratulations. But I took more than anything from this game, besides the game,

seeing Jaron Jackson there and John Morant on the sidelines. And I know Desmond's main is their boy, but when you sit there and watch that playoff game knowing that you're one of them dudes talking about John Moran and Jaron and Jaron Jackson for that matter, and you've been in these playoff situations and you're not playing, you're just watching your man play,

does that make you hungry to get back on the court? Does that make you say, yo, I got to cut all this level bullshit out. I need to be back out there. But then I'm also thinking about what if John Morant ends up in Orlando with Desmond Bain? I may be speeding and jumping the gun,

but I'm sitting there thinking about this. John Moran and Desmond Bain on the East Coast is different than John Moran and Desmond Bain on the West Coast. besides something to keep an eye on as well because we know Memphis is also rebuilding. That would be crazy. Yeah, I was going to ask you out, what do you think about that? Yeah, that would be crazy.

If they keep P5, then it would be crazy. They might have to get rid of LaFrance or one of them, but they definitely can make that happen. No, I just wanted to say, if you pull back up the clips when I said the markets that I think John will flourish in, I said if he goes to an Orlando market, I think that he can focus,

You won't have all the off the court stuff. The city just isn't set up the way Memphis is set up. So I actually would love to see John Morant go there because I think he'll have a chance to revive his career. I just don't know who do y'all think they will have to give up to get a John Morant? Well, when Mace just said, if you could keep Pablo and maybe throw us a couple of players, I don't know the exact players and some draft picks,

it could be real serious for those guys on the East Coast. I think that's what you get. And then to what Mace just said, You got a point guard like Shamgard there, but player development. And you think about the players that he coached when we're talking about a Kyrie Irver, when we're talking about Kyrie Irving,

when we're talking about a Luca Dantz, we're looking at how Desmond Bain is flourished, and he actually set a record last game, not the game last night, with tying Nick Anderson's record for most threes in a playoff game with seven after struggling the first two games. So when you got a point, guard coaching you, even though Jason Kidd was the point guard as well in Dallas, you respect

it a little more because they understand where you're coming from. But I think that'd be great if you could keep Pablo as well. Yeah. I know you're saying you don't want to jump the gun, but it is a fun conversation because we're seeing this league is just so unpredictable. So it's like the potential of a jaw. It's like who would they give up? But would we like to see it? Yeah, especially seeing how Orlando is just right there. And then something that I also wanted to know, even just watching this series, like the, the pistons are kind of messing themselves up. Even in this game alone, they had 20 turnovers and the magic was able to capitalize over their mistakes because the magic didn't even shoot well.

They shot 32% from the field, but every mistake that the pistons made, the magic has been able to capitalize off of this for each play that we're seeing. So I know we're not saying we want to jump to a conclusion, but I'm just going to jump to conclusion and I'm going to say the magic is going to win the series. Good luck to them. We'll see what happens, you know, for them moving forward. And it definitely helps for Desmond Bain to see his old teammates, Jaron and Jha on the floor supporting him because it's fun.

So the next question that I do want to ask y'all because we're seeing how a lot of these series is going. Out of the Pistons, the Nuggets or the Rockets, Maris going to let you go first. Could you see any of these teams making a comeback from their losing series? Because some of them have had a pretty rough patch, but looking at the Pistons, Nuggets or Rockets, do you think one of these teams would be able to turn it out of anybody. Out of anybody, if I have to answer, it would be the nuggets only because of Ant Man's injury and, you know, maybe just off of this win tonight, they've hit a research with something. But I don't see the Rockets coming back. I think the Lakers are the surprise to everybody.

That's the biggest surprise. I think most people watching basketball. And I don't think that the Pistons have enough horsepower pause. I don't think that they have enough right now to come back and beat the Pistons. I mean, the magic my fault. Yeah, I agree. I think the Denver Nuggets is definitely the team that could get it done. Because, you know, right now not only is Ant Man out, but DeVincenzo may be out as well consistently. So with those two of being, they're primarily winged players, there's no way that they could beat.

There's no way they could beat Denver. I think Denver comes back and be one of the first teams to win a playoff series in a long time. after a 3-1 start, and they move on. I think this makes the playoffs really interested. I definitely don't think the Rockers could do it. Right now, you know, Katie may not be playing next game. We're not sure if he plays, and we're not sure if they win if he plays. Right now, the scouting report, not just the scouting report, the legacy report is out there.

You know, right now, I said this before. That's a good point. Yeah, that's a good point. If Brian, if Brian beats him with his son, then I got, I got to ask for the dipset chain back. I got to ask him to cover the tattoo. Maybe I should mind my business. Kim, it's on you. I'm just, that's how I was thinking.

Yeah, if I pick anybody. Go ahead. No, if I pick anybody, I agree with, now, you good. If I pick anybody, I totally agree with you guys. It's going to be the nugget because Devencendezzo is. out with the Achilles. He actually had surgery today. These niggas move fast. This nigger that had

surgery already hasn't been 24 hours. He's in New York having surgery, so I wish him was speeding recovery. But, you know, Anthony Edwards is going to be out the remainder of this season, absolutely. So if I pick anybody who's going to pee the nuggets, but I'm not counting Detroit out just yet.

Even though Orlando, like I said yesterday's taken, beat them in a regular season as well. I'm not just going to dismiss them. even though they're down the 3-1. But if I have to pick anybody out of people that you name stat, I'm going to agree with Mace and Mo and say the Nuggets. Okay.

And then before we move on, Mace, because I always got to ask you, I'll call them clarity questions, right? So since we're seeing, I like that, I think this is good. Since we're seeing, you know, Ant Man and Deven Chainsville being out, because you know, you count some things and you don't count some things. Like, if they do win, right? If the Nuggets win, do you count it?

Do you count this? Instead, I like the way you're picking up. You're progressing really well in Title Town. We may not be able to give you a bachelor's, but we can give you an associate's and a certificate because you're paying attention to the right details. To be great, you've got to do it against great people, right? It's a win, but really not because you would have been out of here

if Ant Man showed up. So we account it if they win the next round. If they win the next round, that's a great pick-up stat. I like the way you're thinking about this. And we was talking about, Killow was talking about he ran in New York. The other guy ran and get the surgery. They got to start looking into that treatment that Kobe got across seas. A stem sales.

Yeah, he didn't even go under the knife. He did something different. No, I thought, well, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm pretty short, or somebody in the chat who will do it. but I thought he was, he went for like a stem cell, like intervention with this. So it was an advanced non-surgical procedure

involving platelet-rich plasma, so PRP and anti-inflammatory serum injections. So, yes, it didn't. Something like that. But yes, cell cells, producing blood, reduce arthritis, a whole bunch of things. Somebody going to tell you about it in the chat.

Yeah, they're going to have it, but that's what I got. That's why people was going to see Kobe because they knew he had the back channels. you know but that's really dope when i said that when i said dr o'm melia for pronouncing his name right is the best in the business he actually did jason tatum surgery he's done a few players surgery and not discrediting what coby did or anything but coby to me wasn't the same when

he came back he was good but he just wasn't the coby that's why cobbie actually left to me because cobbies one of them niggas that said it's so i'm not going to be in a league average in 17 and 18 points. I'm not here for that. And he never got back to the average of 25 points. But if we look at somebody more recently, right? And I'm just saying recently, he's done a lot of different players, but we'll just go off the most recent. When you're looking at Jason Tateau right now,

he's looking sensational. It's early. So we'll see if it lasts and make sure that he's all right moving forward. But for him to come back 10 months after that injury like this and out here killing, you know, know last this week, and I'm not saying throughout the playoffs, I'm talking about this week only, last two, three games. He's looking back to looking like, okay, let me be Batman this week.

Even though we know that Jaylen Brown is the Batman on this team, especially this season, he took a back burner to what Jason Taylor's been doing the last couple games. Not only that, Pritchard is coming off the bench. I had 32 points as well, this team overall. is looking really good their last game after losing the game

to Philadelphia. To answer your question that you asked, Mace, those stat, does it count? Yes, it counts.

It's not my fault that you're not healthy, that you're not there. Mace actually said this when we're on the phone, not on the show, but to send someone time. This is why the dates

on the trophy. If you were hurt that year, I'm sorry, you were hurt, that year, but this is why the date is on the trophy. And I've been running with that the last month and a half since I heard may say that. It's not, well, we'll just put on in the books that you were hurt that year. But if I get the trophy, it's my trophy that year.

It's mine. That's why the date is on the trophy. I like that. I love that. That's why the date is on the trophy. So we can remember what happened that year. I love that. I was like, well.

I did say that. I love that. Yeah, you got to remind me. Yeah, but you know, Nick, you be like, y'all was hurt that year. I dig it, but I wasn't. And I got the trophy. Yeah. This is why we have clarity questions from this.

Yeah. Clarity questions. We need the clarity question. It's always just something. Yeah. I like that. I like that. That's true.

Yes. Okay. So on to the Thunder. The Thunder beat the Suns, 131 to 122. So the Thunder is actually getting called out for foulbating, but this has been a discussion throughout the season. Yes. Maurice, do you see foul baiting as a true problem in today's league?

Foul baiting, flopping, crying, complaining, all of that. It's all the problem. Adam Silver. Yeah. So a foul baiting problem. I think the conversation should be when do you dismantle the sons, you know, after getting the views like this, you know what I mean? I don't see nobody beating O.K.C. outside of, you know, San Antonio giving them a run for the money.

But that should be the real question. But I do believe foul baiting and flopping and all of that stuff is an issue amongst sport. And that's why they've implemented the replay issues that they have now. And that's why they've placed fines on this type of stuff to try to take it out the game because it takes away and distracts from people playing actual basketball. basketball. Okay. And then we'll get to the sun's breakdown next too.

Because, oh, that's a great question. But Mace, thoughts on foulbating. Man, I think they need to just call it foul gate, right? Because it sounds stronger when you put the gate behind it, right? You know, you think of Tom Brady, you just know it's some larceny going on when you see the word gate behind it. So I'm calling it foul gate. I think it's crazy. I think they need to start giving texts for niggas who flop.

If you flop and it's like blatant, if you do one of them old like this, and they grab catch you, it should be a tech. It should be a tech. And if you're talking back, they should throw you out. I think Adam Silver has been way too soft pause. David Stern would have never gone for this. I like the way David Stern called people up. Yo, cut it out. Cut it out right now.

And he would go see, Yvesant. You're going to put a shirt on. I don't care where you get one from. We're a button up. You coming in the arena with a button. I like David Stern was like the mafia, man. He said, yo, this is what's going on. I remember they made a trade.

David Stern said, yo, veto the trade. I say, yo, we could have had Chris Paul, Dwight Howard and Kobe. Yes. David Stern said, no, the trade ain't going through. We own New Orleans. And that's, I'm waiting for Adam Silver to do the same. This foul gate is getting way too out of control. I like the way, I like the way that SGA is playing.

But they even got comedians. You know the guys on Instagram that do the videos of what SGA be like. And every time he does some, he put his hand under somebody arm to get a foul. He just understands the game, but we got to look into it. It's definitely to be studied because he knows how to draw fouls. Like one guy got his hand right here. He'll put his arm under their arm and push it up, so it's definitely a foul. Then somebody got their hand on him.

He'll lean this way and then put his arm under the arm or around it just so he can get a foul every way possible. And it seemed like they haven't caught on to that. But when we was playing, you would call that basketball a lot? So I really can't get mad at them, but you definitely got to study the foul gate or the flop gate. What are you calling this? Foulbate. You said foul bait, but it's foul gate. Yeah, I'm going foul gate.

Fowlgate from now on. And every time somebody like do one of those, what do they do, another thing they do, niggas always want to fight. It's basketball. Like if you want to fight, call Dane up and get down with the. UFC. Why do you want to show you can fight in basketball? This is not the place. I just had that conversation. I'll like Cam go, but I'll tell you about that after this. Yeah, go to hockey. I like hockey. Niggins just skate around. Missing teeth and all. But go ahead, Cam. Actually, if you look at the rules, you do get a sec if they go to replay and find

and see that you're flopping and then after the game, post game it's a $2,000 fine. I think that's the problem right here that there's only $2,000. If you make it $50,000 to $75,000, you will see a lot of stop, a lot of people stop flopping.

$2,000 is probably five cents to these niggas. $2,000 is not a lot of money to an NBA player, so they're going to risk a flop, especially during the playoffs to win a game. $2,000 for a fine and the NBA side? No, push that shit up to $50,000, $75,000, $100,000.

You'll see a lot less flopping. Chris Rock had an analogy, right, one time. I use a lot of Chris Rock up here. He said if you make, he said the guns ain't the problem, bullets is the problem, right? If you make bullets $20,000 per bullet, then you know when a nigga get killed, he deserved it. Because you're not going to be wasting money.

you're on bullets. Bullets is too expensive to be wasting. So you see a nigga get shot, if you see a nigga get shot, that means he really deserved it. You put $80,000 worth of bullets in his ass since he meant it. Raise the fine on the flopping, and I think that you'll see a lot less flopping

because it are hurt people's pocket. When they go after the game and see if there was a flopper night. Yeah, 2000. Our childhood friend named Dre Dega had more than that. He walked around with $3,000 for the whole senior year. Shout out. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, absolutely. So before this, when I was watching the game, I was bitching to my brothers. I was like, man, I get tired of niggas who play sports, but they act like they want to fight all the time. and I say, man, could you take that energy, box somebody out, go for a rebound, and use that energy conservatively? But I think I'm tired. I'm speaking for myself. I'm tired of people who play sports who act like they want to fight. They pay you to play the sport, take that energy, use that to play the sport.

And I just wanted to put that ad lib out there. But when you said it, it triggered what I was talking about prior to doing the show. Yeah, back in the day, they were really fight. You would really get a black eye. Like, I remember Charles Barkley. One of them, who had the black eye? Who got the black eye? Was that Charles Barkley or was it Lamb Bell? One of them, I know.

They just, the ball went in the air and they just stopped and just went straight to the blows, no questions or nothing. Or like, what was his name? Chris, Chris something that swung on Kobe. Chris Chiles. Chris Chiles. Yeah, too much talking. Action. Left, right.

laugh was good. I just want them to play. Yeah, I just want them to play. I'm just saying if you go on fight, it's taking too long, man. Just get back to the game, man. And I mean, we've seen some players who at this point are really notorious for fighting over playing

because Isaiah Stewart, the one who was on the pistons, like we've seen him fighting everybody. But it's like, I know you're saying, transfer that energy onto the court, but some people, you just see red. No, but he's, but he's, But do you ever really see him fighting? That's what I was about to say.

You're right. But it looked like it, though. Wait, Cam, do you think he like my boy, Tayrock from Battle Rap? He always is about the fight in every battle. He's right. What I was going to say is this, my opinion, is that that's the one rule that did change that you will get fired a lot of money for and you will miss games for, as opposed. in the 80s and 90s when you can fight and you get a tech and stand a game.

Now if you come off the bench, you can miss two games. Now if you throw a punch, you can miss three, four games. We've seen Carmelo Anthony dead punching a nigga in the face and miss 40 games. You know what I'm saying? That's the one thing that I've seen that has changed. So I think people may have the energy that want to fight and they think about it like, nigga, you ain't worth for 100,000 and six games. That's my opinion.

I'm not saying. Go ahead. I'm not saying. I'm not saying that they have to say energy as players previously, but I think that that's where the money really hurts fighting. Like I said, you may not even fight. You run off the bench and go try and get into and you try to go help your boy. You're missing games. I remember a year it was San Antonio because it was my team.

He was actually losing to the Phoenix Suns when they had a month. Marri Stademeyer and Joe Jopin, when they had a crew, and Amari Stademey, them niggas ran off the bench. They didn't even throw no punches or none, missed the next game, and we ended up advancing to the next round because they just got off the bench. So I think that's the one rule that actually did change over the years where people may be hesitant to say, nah, I can't cost my team,

or I can't cause my pockets, or so on and so forth. And, yeah, that's definitely true. I was thinking it may just be a Detroit thing. I'm starting to think it may just be a Detroit thing, right? The malice in the palace. Then you got this right here. And think about in football. What was homeboy named?

Sue, did he play for Detroit? And Dominica Sue? Yeah, man, it's just always won the fight, man. Just violent. It might be a Detroit thing. Yeah, but I'm going to tell you, in addition to that, the point that I was making, I've been on the show three, four years now, right? and I always talked about distracting behavior.

And so I'm rooting for Detroit to beat Orlando. And when I seen Detroit getting back into the game, we need all this effort with you getting rebounds and buckets, bro. We don't need you shoving dudes and getting kicked out of the game. And the momentum has shifted when, what is his name, Bain, had dunked on whoever he dunked on, Isaiah Stort, and I called him J-Laf Stort earlier, my apologies, but Isaiah Stort should have been in the middle. He should have been the forced player to basically contend against that shot.

And I just was like, yo, like your antics are distracting from us winning the game. And then when you come to the sideline, nobody wants to address you and say, yo, bro, you're tripping. That's the issue. When you have somebody tripping and then you're like, yo, it ain't called for right now. Yeah, I agree with you. But even killer probably can attest to this on every championship team or even like on our team, you know, growing up, we had this guy named Joel Chiles, right?

that he, his, his, his effort to the team is fouling niggas. That's his part. That's his part. The enforcer, right? Use all your fouls. Like, if he comes, if he drive, pause down the middle, put him on the floor. Put him on the floor. That was his job.

We're not expecting him to get 20. He's supposed to get 10 rebounds or eight rebounds and five extremely hard foul. And that may be Stewart's job. Like, you need an enforcer. Remember Charles Oakley was like this, right? Charles Oakley never had a triple double. What did Charles Oakley do? He fought every series.

Anthony Mason, he got a few buckets. Stimmy. But at what point... There was the Goon Squad, though. Yeah, but at what point do you graduate with awareness and say, this ain't called for right now? Remember season one when I was talking about

a nigga who always want to fight, but you don't need him to always fight all the time? And you have to have awareness. At what point do you be like, yo, I got to put like a governor on this and calm down because I'm telling you, if you go back and watch that game, if you go back and watch the first quarter, when Detroit weathered the storm after like the end of the first quarter

when Orlando had all the momentum, they had a chance to like, you know, close the gap. Yeah, they had a chance. And so you're part of that. We don't need you to be a going right now. We need you to be a basketball player. That's all I was saying. Yeah, but he probably can't do that.

he doesn't probably have anything else to offer. Like, you remember Rodman, right? That was his role to be all up in people face like this and people to push him and get ejected out of the team and, I mean, out the game. That's his role. I think in basketball, especially in the 80s and the 90s, we had those players.

Right now, he's just a throwback player like that. He made it all the way to the league, just being an enforcer. And now they got little kids doing it in the A.U. There's a little, there's a video right now going viral of a little Caucasian boy struggling for the ball. And the guy like 6'3 with dreds real big just takes the ball and picks him up and throws him on his head.

And everybody's looking like, what are you doing? They clear the bench running. And he's looking like, that's my role. I ain't seen that yet. I have not seen that. That's crazy. And I'm saying it was my, it was one of my friends' son, a Caucasian guy who's a DJ down in Richmond, Virginia. Shout out the DJ Shaggy.

And he was like, yo, it was about to be a whole race war. But some kids are figuring out that's their way to the league. You're not going to dunk. You're not going to be doing high-flying windmill. You enforce the middle. and being people's face. But think about ESPN, right? What is my dog name that play for Boston?

Kendra Perkins. Kendrick Perkins, yeah. Same thing, an enforcer. Yeah, I give you that. It's a role for that. Yeah, I get. Bill Lambere. I got you.

I don't agree, but I got you. Yeah, no, I'm saying if you get in the league you get $16 million. That's what, that NBA salary is still. You walk it home. Hey, I don't shoot no threes, but I eat at the same restaurants, you know. They brought me here for the shelves and the pushes. That's it.

I say, sometimes if you can get away with that, that NBA salary, not everybody's like, oh, let me just be the – some people are like, I know my role. I'm going to get paid this money. I'm going to do what I got to do. And then like Cam also said, they're not even really fighting for real. Yeah. I just want to Detroit to win. That's it.

No, that's fair, though. That's a super fair. What is his last name? Isaiah's story. Isaiah Stewart makes $15 million a year. It's a lot of money. I fight for $15 million. Okay.

I want to go back to your follow-up question. Then real quick, just before, no, just real quick before a niggas starts saying, we don't know what you talk about. Charles Oakley actually had two triple doubles in his career. So you like living and don't know what they talk about up there. My bet. I don't want no smoke without.

My bad old, last time I seen him, they was walking them out there. I didn't remember none of that. Dolan said you out of here. And he had the security waiting for him if he wanted to fight again. Yeah. No, he actually did it when he played for the Bulls before he got to the Knicks. Oh, yeah, but shout out to Oakley. Oakley was definitely one of the best Knicks.

I liked them on the Knicks. Okay. I want to go back to Marisa's follow-up question because as a result of this game, the Thunder swept the sun. So you're asking, when do we start dismantling the sun? So what is your answer? What do you think? You have to do it immediately, man. I think that they've had, you know, great expectations for the last three or four years. And be it through injuries or for whatever reason, they just not, they've just not, have gotten it done. I remember, maybe this is two, three years ago. People have been comparing Devin Booker to Kobe. and he was supposed to be like the next coming.

And I paused. That was crazy. Wow. Yeah. So. We might have to overrule that one. Yeah, but it just saying, you know, I don't know how you build on this. Now, I know the sons are, you know, the favorite coming out of the West.

But at the end of the day, I think you have to break everything down, ship people out and rebuild for the future. because OKC and the Spurs are going to be a problem for the near future, and I just don't think that you have enough on the team right now to not even compete against Denver. So I think immediately. You know what I think, the Kardashians strike again is my opinion. I'm just done covering for people. Listen, with this team, if you have Devin Booker,

when he first got on his team with KD, We just totally assumed they were going to be in the championship or in the conference finals of some sort. They never end up getting there. Then you get Bradley Bill. They never get there. Now they're revised. They're in a rebuild right now.

You're talking about blowing the team up again. This is the rebuild. When they're bringing, what's his name? They're bringing Brooks and they brought in green thinking we may need some younger players. And it's still the same resolution. I think, I think, um, book got to really do some soul searching and stop wearing that headband. I hate when light skin players wear headbands that got good hair. Like, there's no reason to do that.

You know they're searching for themselves. When you see him wearing that black headband. I mean, when you know the game, you know, you look, you, you, you, anybody here to play sports and you superstitious, you know, a guy he had his, he do certain things. when he's about to win or he's like he throws, I can't explain it. Y'all know what I'm talking about. I like the explanation. This is wow.

Yeah, the black headband. Clay Thompson did this. Yeah, he did. Same outcome. That's what I'm saying. This black headband, I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it.

When I see him changing his look up, all I think about is he's searching. And we don't need you searching. We don't need you woke when you're on the court. We don't need you trying to find yourself. We just need baskets. We need the book that hold a ball like this, rake one dribble and go straight up.

If you watch how his pull-up is, he's leaning. He's never used to be a leaner. Pause. He used to just jump straight up. Textbook pull-up. That is gone. I don't know. And I don't want to blame it on the Kardashians,

but it just seemed like every time they get with a black, athlete. We don't see them no more. They've only got with black athletes. This is just my observation. This is not true. Don't hold it is what it is responsible for this. And don't hold me responsible for this. I'm just saying this just seems like a thing. All these case studies. We just got one after another. This is another one.

but yeah just i mean think about it he said look at the facts odum reggie bush who else book now he's in he's in the basement or get out now the basement james hardly been the same and ain't just athletes as entertainers too yeah

Kanye who else go ahead cams they're gonna say i'm hating i've been saying it's for you I see some shit We're talking about Mac the Stallion yesterday then we're going to say I'm hating

Everybody, they just don't want to hear What they don't want to hear No, he's talking about Clayton Nogginz be like, yo Clay Thompson Fumbled McEastalian And then we got to sit here and be careful with our words so that

niggas don't feel funny You rap about being a hoe Mad rappers fuck you And then Clay Thompson fumbled But we got to be politically correct The status say No, I don't think so She's doing the thing she's not

She's important She talks about She's All right, so let's just have the conversation There we go That's what I'm paying for The name of my song is called Wet-Ass Pussy

right then she promotes having wet-ass pussy and fucks mad of a rapist and then get with a nigger he don't want to be monogamous and he fumbled what's the thinking i don't know the thinking and she said he's supposed to settle down how's he going to settle down and she preaching slutter me stop you speaking on behalf of the aka before the show you talked about being aka yeah i'm speaking on behalf of my person own thought process has nothing to do with anybody else, no organization, none of that. I just feel like you know who you decide to date.

Like it's not like it was a secret. It's not like anything was hidden. That was always her career. That was always her song. If that's not something that you wanted to be part of, you didn't have to date the girl. Yeah, but that's the whole thing is too. Hold on, the whole thing is, and don't be mad when I decide to leave. I just think, how are you going to force them to stay?

It's not forcing somebody to stay, but also if you don't want to stay, and these are her words, I don't know their relationship, I don't know these people. But from what she said, you don't want to stay, you don't have to cheat. You could just be like, I just think we should go our separate ways and leave it at that. That's my thing. I don't think people have to stay together. I don't think you need to force a relationship. I don't trust all, man.

be in a relationship anymore. You could just say, hey, this isn't working out. We're good. And we go our separate ways. That's all. That's my thoughts. I don't think anybody, regardless of who it is, it could be somebody that I even hate. I don't think anybody deserves to be cheated on.

I'm not going to say that. But that's, but that's, but that whole point is this, right? How do you know? Because that's what she said. That's why I'm going based off of what, but that's all you can do. Exactly. All you can do is go based off of what. what somebody has said.

Like, if any of y'all up here told me that somebody cheated on you, I'd be like, I don't like that because they should not, even if I don't know the other person's perspective. I'm going based off the fact, her songs. Maybe I just want to have some fun for a little while. You said you have wet-ass pussy. But that's not even, I don't even think we can do that. Because, like, we see musicians and artists all the time,

rap about things that they have no business being part of. They don't know nothing about that life. I don't know nothing about. any type of certain type of life, that doesn't mean that I'm associated with that or that consumed who I am. I just think it's music that people like to listen to. Same with her career. I don't know.

I don't know what life she's about. And I don't know what life Clay Thompson's about. We don't know nothing about Clay Thompson until we saw this. How do you know Clay was in a relationship with her? It was posted. But go ahead, Camp. I'm going to tell some, I'm going to tell something real quick. And it's not bad.

I'm going to share a story you share with me. And it's not. and bad, not personal. You went to, you went to, what's the name, right?

What is Kodak Black be rapping about? Crazy shit, right? Yeah. Was you in a shootout by where he was at when we went to the festival?

Was it a shootout? Potentially. Yeah, allegedly, right? We're going allegedly. All right, cool. You get what you heard. All right? That's what you've been hearing

the whole time. But not every, but I'm saying things happen to different people. Not everybody's like that. What are you saying? What did you call me to clarify awards? Clarity question. Yeah, let's have a clarity conversation. Let me give you some clarity information.

Okay, go ahead. Clay is six, seven. Light skin with good hair as an athlete. He didn't need Megan. He could have, if you sit. six, seven, and your light skin with good hair, you could have anybody. I think we all know that. She was...

Okay. I'm just keeping it real. Go ahead and tell me, I'm like, ladies. I don't let you finish. Ladies, tell the truth. A guy in the hood could be six feet or tall, a light skin with good hair, and he's going to have his pick of the litter wherever he goes. Wherever he goes. I feel like you guys are contradicting what you're saying, because if you can choose anybody, he still chose her.

So I don't understand. He didn't choose her. Yes, he did. He didn't choose her because he cheated on her. Well, now we're seeing the result of that, but initially he chose her. You don't just, you don't just buy a house with anybody. If you cheat it, if you cheated, you didn't choose her. He did.

A lot of people choose people that they unfortunately still cheat on. Then they don't choose her. Then he don't choose her. They don't choose her. They do. He didn't choose it. That's why he's out. I think we're just going to agree to disagree

because we're just going to go back and forth. I hear all of you guys' points. Like, that is fine. You guys are valid to think what you think and I'm valid to what I think. We just think differently. That's all. It's like a girl saying,

a guy asking a woman, why did you cheat on me? Why are you doing this to me? Why are you doing this to me? You know how much I love you. Listen, if she's doing it, she don't love you back. This is just what it is.

I hate to bring you harsh truth because you're so young and vibrant. You're so young and vibrant and green. I hate to give you. Just think about it. If he's saying this to her, he doesn't choose her. She's just coming into the knowledge of that. And I think when people go to the media with it, they already knew that. You know if a guy is marrying you or not.

You know that. You know that. So you say, he got. got cold feet. How did he, did he buy a ring? I don't know. At this point,

I don't know anything. I'm just going based off of what was said. You know what I was just fun for him. You know what it is? You know what it is also too? No, we're not assuming. We're assuming. Go ahead, Cam.

You know what it is? Sorry, Mota interrupt. You know what it is too? Is that this, right? Is that, and I love women that stick together and all that I do. But, you know, it's

There we go. Like, you know that sounded crazy. Nah, because, because you know why? Because sometimes women stick together and they don't even know each other and they'll just be like, they're a woman. I'm going to take their side. And then when it's time for another woman to have your back,

they're going to be like, I don't even know her like that. I'm not even talking about you. You're running, jump to somebody's defense. And then when you need them to jump their defense, they don't even know you. So I'm not talking about you. I'm just saying women in general. I know it's woman power. But make sure when you have that girl's back, that the girl's going to have your back when you have a problem too.

This ain't the one to be fin. Yeah, it is. I'm just stating clearly what we. I don't even think that this is a crazy take. I'm just going based off of this girl posting. No, I know you're saying something different. But Marisa's face over here is giving me these faces. I just need to be clear, clearly.

I am going based off of not knowing Meg and not knowing Clay and going based off of one statement that this woman has said about a public relationship. All I can take from it is clearly both parties were confused. I don't think anybody should be cheated on. And if you don't want to be in a relationship anymore, you don't have to say. Clarity question. Clarity question. Did Clay ever post this is.

This is my baby. Actually, I, yes. My wife. Baby, yes, wife. I don't know. I don't really care that much about the relationship. No, I'm actually, I'm just actually clarity question. Yes.

He said, baby, but they posted their keys of their house. They posted a lot of things together. I'm just going based off of what I saw. I don't know what happens behind closed doors. So whose house is it if they want to leave? I don't know. That's between them. I'm just stating what I see.

That's why you don't get a house. Hey, this was fun, man. That's all. This was fun for him. I just hate breakups. That's all. I don't like that for anybody. Okay, there is no person in this chat who ever seen Clay with Megan Estabye.

No offense to her and thought that he was about to marry this woman. No God thought that. No, God thought that. I just feel like this is like a man. This is where I have to do that. A lot of the women think one thing, a lot of the men think one thing. And then there's some cross-stop. Let me clear this up.

You saw when Megan was cooking for his, his, his pops. Yeah. He didn't even look like he wanted that breakfast. I disagree. Okay. He looked like he liked it. What did he do?

Like a certain eye look that was like, ah, he doesn't like the food. It's something that guys know, you know, like it. I disagree. Hey, son. Hey, son, ego, one of these. He's son. Listen to me, I'm on the back side of my career. Man, I was watching her on some videos.

She looks like something. then let me play around. That's it. I ain't trying to be disrespectful, but I did not look at those two and be like, man, that's about to be a power couple and they're going to roll off into the sunset.

This is fresh off her public. Like, ain't no man of that stature, like May said, 100 million. Off of 6, 7, 8, 9 public relationships that you're about to be like, this one I'm settling down with. That's a fact. And it's good for you to know this.

I just feel like if that's the case, then nothing should have been public. No, but I just feel like. It's public fun. It's part. No. No, that doesn't make sense. No, that doesn't make sense.

There's parks. You have a park public. They're having fun in the park public. No, I just feel like if you like, look, it's just my turn. If what if that's what you want to call it, you don't publicly post all of that. And introduce them to your family. Can I say this? This is just my opinion, my humble opinion.

He was introducing her as a celebrity. I don't think so. I just think feelings change and that happens in people's relationships and that's fine. I don't think there's a problem. I just think there's a problem when cheating is involved. If you just want to move on. I was just trolling your stuff. care, move on.

That's life. No, you're not, though. You're not. You're actually not trolling. I'm just saying, like, if you want to move on, that's cool. You just don't cheat. I'll say something before we go. Go ahead.

So two things. One, this was payback for you not skipping the show when Cam was getting on me. Pause. You don't need, this went all the way over your head. Not skipping. When do I? Remember that was joking on me? You would, and you, I was like, yo, change the subject.

Oh, commercial breaks? Yeah, this is my get back. That's fine. And I'm, I can take it. Right. No, this is really a clarity moment. It's for women to know, if you, if you're out there, you got like six or seven public relationships, no real, like, guy up there making hundreds of millions. No.

Is it's going to be an anomaly that he picks you to be his wife, knowing that everybody else didn't enjoy it. It's just that's not what great- Look, you get, you get one a generation. You got Russell Wilson. That's it. Yeah, that's an anomaly. Yeah, that's it. You got Russell, that's it.

I don't know. And it's good that we're giving this game, you know, because you're talking with three guys from, you know, from different walks of life that all are telling you the same thing. Even at different spaces right now in our lives, we're all telling you the same thing. So a woman thinks, yeah, I'm looking fine. I'm looking better than I looked before. But I don't want to walk in with nine guys.

No. That all had this experience. It's not a trophy is like Arabia said is to be passed around. But a treasure. Arabia made a good ass. Arabia made a good ass point. Yeah, she killed that. Trophy everybody sees.

you bury your treasure and keep it out of everybody's business. Shout on to Arabia. Yeah, shout to Arabia. I'll just say, because every time I like make a take, she's naive. She's like, I hear you guys and I know that this is how most men think. That is clear. That is, I got it.

We know this. So why do you not take it? That doesn't mean I have to be like, oh, yeah, everybody's right. I still feel like there is hope for certain people in certain situations. Unfortunately, this situation did not work for her. I wish it went a different direction because from what we've seen, it looked great. But that's not going to be the case for everybody. I do think one day, even Kim Kardashian can get married again if that's what she chooses to want.

That's fine. One clarity question for you go. If, killer, you mind one clarity question. I want to ask. All right. This is great. This is actually great. I want to ask you one clarity question.

If the guys, if the type of guys you like, right, are telling you what they're in the market for, how do you disregard what they're telling you they're in the market for? You can't disregard what the guy that you want is telling you what he wants. Oh, okay. All right. That's it. Yeah. You can't. That's what you want.

You can't disregard what that man says that he wants. Yeah. And you also, I remember what it was, Andrea said, how you can erase your whole pass. You can't erase your whole pass. That's not true at all. Like you can't erase your past. I agree. You cannot erase your past.

Okay. Yeah. No, I'm saying I agree. You can't just be like, all right, this never happened. People are going to, unfortunately, that's part of your story forever. Yeah. And I'm not calling Meg a hole, but I'm calling how people perceive things when you get publicly passed around these things that you do.

We had to hold, in America, you have to hold yourself accountable for things that you've done. Yeah. And from that, people will shape their opinion, how they shape their opinion. And that's, I think that's more or less what we're saying. Well, that's life. Perception is everything, whether it's true or whether it's not. I'm not saying it's fair. Yeah, we can agree to that.

I'm not saying it's, that's one like, I understand what you guys are saying, but I'm also saying, I don't think that's necessarily fair because there's some people on the opposite end who can do whatever they want and date whoever they want. And they're still going to get whatever they want in the. this life? Yeah, but I'm all... I'm also... I think so.

I think so. I just want to be clear. I don't mean any of what I've said towards Dreya, whatever, whoever, with any sort of malice, I'm just talking about behavior, right? And I'm also saying that you can't just move through life, you know, having sex with everybody and think that somebody's not going to think that you're a whole and still think that you won't be, like your behavior won't be criticized accordingly.

Yeah, you're a public. And not, and not, and not, and not only that, Mo, you just made a great point, right? Just because, and that's another thing, it's like,

I just related, before I get to my point, I related to shows, right? So I'll tell people, and Mace knows this as well. Like, when you get booked for a show and a promoter,

I'll use some real low numbers so niggas feel more comfortable rappers at home. if a promoter books you for $5,000. And then you go to them. And bottles. Yeah. And bottles with the sparkles on it so you feel like you're killing it.

I tell them they do not bring no sparklers to fuck over. here, man. I'm doing all my bottles. But anyway, if a promoter books you for $5,000 in New Jersey, then you try and go do a show in Philadelphia, you'd be like, yo, I want $10,000. All these promoters are in the promoting business.

So that promoter in what I said, Philadelphia is going to call a promoting, Joe, like, yo, you gave them, you're going to give them $10,000. Like, Nick, I gave that nigga, $5,000. What you're talking about? Give them $10. You're about to tell that I mean, you got 5,500 for travel.

So they all talk. So just yesterday when we talked about this topic for a few minutes, we named about five or six people that I named that were no. And if you think that you're going to do something with an athlete of entertainment and they're not going to talk to each other, you're going to be talked about. We just talked about the people we knew. It's a whole community of people that we don't know that be like,

yo, you know I hit that, right? you know I hit that right then when you walk in a room and you're in the room with two three niggins they be like yo you know I hit that right we just talked about the people that we know about so your name is getting tossed around anyway when you're thinking about

let's just say you're Clay Thompson right and you'd be like yo little nigga from Toronto hit it too I ain't want to say nothing who not a 11th man off the bench he's hit it too work get the fuck out of here

Yeah, nigga before that she was in New Orleans. You're going to be talked about whether it's public or not public. Once you start fucking with entertainers, athletes, your name is passed around, and then it becomes a stat for them just to hit it. We talk about this all the time, but mate and myself, when we even say we don't get it, when we be like, yo, why a nigger want to have a nigger leftovers? We don't talk about nine, ten times since we started this show. But some niggas don't care.

It'd be like, y'all, I sniped them. Yeah, yeah, I caught that. And then it's one of them situations where now you're talked about and you don't probably don't even know that you're talking about because you're like, they're not going to blow up the spot. They're going to blow off the spot. So when we're talking about the niggins that we named on the list yesterday, think about the people that man hit Clay like, man, you know,

a little Tudy in Baruch? Yeah, he did. He caught her. He caught her, too. On a drunk night. You don't know. On a drunk night. You're driving the boat.

All that, man. That's just the people we don't know. So. And that's the respectful group. That's the respectful group. We're not even talking about the guys that's going to be disrespectful. That's going to be like, yo, that ain't wifie, is it? Like right there.

And we know this because that's why we don't do it, Statt, because we don't want to walk in with somebody. And our peers and people we respect say, yo, is that wife? No, you have that. You hear what's going on, Stan? I'm around, y'all. Every day. I already know what's going on.

I already know what's going on. Then you want to beat up everybody. Come on. You can't beat up at a time. Because she's throwing herself a party. You can't do that. Listen. Stap planted her hair.

She wants to throw her body a party. You can't do that. Yeah. Shout out though real quick, man. I'm going to give a shot to my home girl, True Asia, from Harlem from the East Sassy. I see. I like females who's straight out, right?

She's told me, she told me before, she's like, yo, this bitch going to come up to me talking about, yo, you know I used to fucking, right? And she says, so what? My turn, nigger. I want to see what it's about. You got to respect that. Because if you know, you don't feel, if you know, you don't feel like the last person in the room who will know. Like, that's my thing. See, you know Moe and Mesa.

married you know what I'm saying so when I get with a female I'm like yo did you have a bono rapper did you bone of athlete did you because now if you're the last person in the room to know you look even more stupid now so when somebody comes yeah when somebody comes clean and tell you at least if you walk in a room and you got a and you um and you know then you cool it's like for instance one time this is dead ass we was having we did a preview uh paul pierce was coming on our show one time and i don't even mess with this girl no more she was but she we're still friends and she like yo i just wanted to call and tell you she's from chicago a friend of mine yo i used to date

paul i'm just telling you now i want to give you that respect because i don't know if y'all girls will come up just stand at her and i doubt we wanted to talk about i ain't message this girl in over 10 years but she gave me the respect to call and tell me that she She used to mess with Paul Pierce. Now, if it do come up, I'd be like, nigga, I don't know. Fuck is you talking about? Left titty, right, suck it, and you crazy.

You're like, you know, you're not, you hit them with all that. You know what, Turner? See, you already can combat that if it comes your way. You know what I mean? So, just giving a little more context to the conversation. Do you think any different now is that hearing us speak? I already, the thing is, I'm not surprised.

Like I already know where y'all's head is going where the conversation is going. I already know. Oh, okay. That doesn't mean that I have to be like, yep, da-da-da-da. Like, I still under, I understand both sides. That's what I'll say.

But do you agree with both sides? There is true. I'll say this. My thing is this, my thing is this, I'm a political answer. The whole thing about it is this, yo, as far as Mason, and mo is concerned.

We're past the point of trying to convince that. What you, with you mace and what you mo need to realize is that it doesn't matter what we said. It's not about that. We passed that, all right?

It doesn't matter what we say. It's already embedded. I'm not talking about that. Females. This is the way it goes. Yo, whatever. But she, we said he fumbled, he fumbled, nigga. That's that. And I'm not talking about you.

I'm just saying in general. People don't have their opinions. And that's what's dope about having an opinion. You don't have to agree with anybody. It's just your opinion. And it is. That's why I totally understand where y'all are coming from. But I'm going to think what I think.

And y'all are going to think what you think. You're going to die. Yeah, she's going to just. But also, that's not my life. You know, that is not my life. We're talking about somebody else's relationship. and how we all handle things. Before I leave, I'm going to get you to quit.

So you ride the fence with these political answers, right? I just need you to start to commit to one answer. The thing about this is like, I see both, I'm just such an open-minded person. So I understand what y'all are saying. It's like, in a man's mentality, you're like, why would I want to go talk to this girl? If I know she was with this, this person, did this, talks about this, that's not my wifey. I, cool, I got it. But at the same time, if she wants to be liberated and open and that's the type of person that she is and you decided to go date her knowing that that's what she brought to the table, why are you shocked by anything else that comes with it?

Like you knew when you signed up. No, he's not shocked. He's just saying he don't want to keep it. He just want to drive it like everybody else drove it and give it back. Then you can say at the jump. Look, I don't want to do all that lovey-dovey stuff. We don't even got to be a real thing for real. I just want to mess with you. You don't even got to say that.

If you're trying to trick somebody, I guess, go ahead and say what you got to say. You know what's going to come out? You don't do all the other things that come with it. No, you know what's going to come out. I guarantee, this was her PR move. You know, she ain't been having good PR. She has. No.

She has not for a period, but recently her PR has been. Her PR team has been working over there. But I think she got with the Splage Brother to get good PR, and you with the 6'4-7 light skin, dude with good hair, and you're about to praise like you're in the relationship to try to get out of all that other mess he was doing. I think it was PR. Personally, I don't think a public relationship breakup is good PR, but to some people

are PR. No, no, I'm talking about the getting with Clay Thompson. I think her. Yeah, I was supposed to clean her up. Yeah, I just, to me. Because he was such a like a clean guy. Correct. Correct.

He wasn't like a bad boy. He was a clean guy. You know why everybody was surprised. Everybody was surprised to see Clay even on the internet like that. That's not his personality. He's been the same dude over on Golda State would. Steph for all those years. Then when he went to Dallas and he's on the backside of his career

and he stepped out and did this, this is almost like as shocking as seeing Eric Baday on the internet. And you see him speaking. And I'm saying, you get what I coming from. And her doing this may mess up potential clients, right? Because y'all be laughing. I'm serious about it.

Because people are going to see this and say, dealing with you always ends messy. That could become a storyline too. Also, some men don't care. Like, we've seen, like, a Selena Powell who time after time still messes with, like, I don't know. I don't know people's judgment. I don't, I don't know. Let me give you another truth.

Okay. Brown skin, women do not get to do what those other women do. Somebody need to tell them that. They don't treat them. There you go, stat. Go ahead. You got a lot to say? I don't have a lot of.

I'm not saying that it's right. I'm not saying that it's fair or right because I know those are the two things you're saying. But me as a black man, I don't get to do everything other people do. I understand the chips are stacked against me. So I understand, because I'm saying that from a real place. Yeah. So just like a young black woman, you won't get the same chance that Katie Perry gets or that Taylor Swift gets. So act accordingly.

I don't have any other things to add to that. Or Kaylin Clark, you need more. There's always going to be this. Right? Amen. Is that true more? Is that a lot? Because at first I know it sounded kind of crazy, but when you think of it in context.

No, I mean, being honest at you, you know, I'm over here thinking myself, like this is, the conversation can go into a ton of different places, but you're absolutely right. You don't get the same considerations. You don't get the same grace. you don't get the same forgiveness. That's why you made your point when you talked about Kim Kardashian, but you see who she identifies with. It's convenient to mess with black people

and convenient, but then when I want to sell my brand, push my products, and be where I'm on at now, she's identifying more with her white crop. And so that justifies the behavior. And you can't do that unless you bleach your skin in and wear blonde for the rest of your life. Ain't that about a bit.

I don't know how we got here. You're just giving you good games, you family. We want you to win, you know? Come on top. Don't date at all. Don't talk to anybody.

Don't talk to anybody. Just be in your bubble and grind out. No, no. It's saying be accountable for your behavior. The whole thing about this, right? The whole thing is this too, right? People say, oh, you're from with this at there. Meg didn't have to tell nobody this happened.

They could have both went off quietly and to the sunset and said, oh, it didn't work out. But people want to use social media as their diary. Now, I think you don't want to be monogamous. After you got me playing Thanksgiving, this, that third. And I'm not saying she's wrong. She could be 100% right. But why is that everybody's business?

And then when people comment on what you're putting out there, we suck us. You told us this. You put this on Instagram. Got me playing house. Got me. People got to control their thumb. yo. You got to control your thumbs. You sit there and think

it and then you say, I put this out into the universe for people to hear and then we comment on it and then they'd be like y'all should shut up. How do we should shut up? You should not let us know this. You're going to quietly let us assume how we haven't been seeing Clay and Meg together lately

oh why they not post some pictures. And then in six, seven months you could have just said it didn't work out. I don't know how familiar you guys have been and watched Chloe and And Lamar, Lamar, Odom has a documentary. Netflix, on Netflix, which is a really good documentary. But you see how much stuff that came out, what, 10 years late and 12 years later,

all the shit Chloe was doing, she never put it out there. Then Lamar was sneaking back, smoking crack. She didn't got this nigga out. He was doing all type of shit. She could have left there and be like, I just got this nigga out of rehab and he and here smoking crack the next day. She didn't put it out there because it was no, not in nobody's business.

We just find out about this. And Lamar's documentary, ain't even Chloe's shit. She embarrassed about the shit she was doing. But when you put it out there, it's for people to talk about. But I respect Chloe. After I watch that documentary, I'm like, damn, she ain't never even saying none of this shit, bro. This nigga was faking like he still wasn't. Couldn't talk.

Just the cold meat niggins didn't get cracked. And I'm like, damn, she kept all this shit to herself and didn't tell nobody. So I respect Chloe for that. And Lamar Odom's the one who actually told the story. But once you put it out there, it's open for public conversation. Yeah, that's a fight. Yeah, that documentary was crazy. And now everybody has the strength to even just hush about it.

Because that's the thing. Everybody want to talk, I will say, like men and women. Everybody want to talk. Everybody want to tell their peace. Everybody wants to tell their side of the story. Yeah. You never really know where it's going to go. So that was a lot.

The be with a guy on crack is deeper than cheap. and cheating. That's way deeper than cheat. I don't handle that one. Nobody gets in that situation or has to deal with that. In the comments down below, let us know

what y'all think about this conversation and went every rich way, but in a good way. You know, these are good, productive. I want to ask you one question before we wrap it and being that way for it. No, it ain't got nothing to do with this because at the end of the day, it could go like this. And I said this on another show and stack us use it for her and we can use it for us.

I'm ending this conversation where I don't want to make sense, whatever side of the coin you are. That's going to be the new one. I don't want to make sense. So they can, yeah, so you can say, Stats, say, I don't want to make sense. Cam, Mesa, Mo can say, look, we don't want to make sense. But I want to ask y'all one question before we wrap, because before we start this conversation, like Stats said, I don't even know how we got here. But we was talking about flopping and foul being cold and a lot of players.

Yeah. And a lot of questions, man. Who are? But I want to bring. want to bring this up real quick. A lot of players are saying that SGA Flops against the most foul, etc., etc., etc.

How do you feel, Mace, Moe and Statt, if you want to time in as well, that a referee was refereeing in a game in the all-black St. Gildreder's Alexander's. You got people like other players talking about. No wonder you get in 23 throws a game. He'd give a referee sneakers. And the referee.

Yeah, that's good. So referees are playing in the Shea Gildress, Alexander, and the referee defended it, talking about, look, the rule is you have to wear all black sneakers. It didn't say what kind you could wear or couldn't wear. What do you think about that, Mo? I'm going to still stat line. If Shea Gildress can pay the ref and get away with it, it's all good.

Hey, hey, you're contradicting your, because how you go from, we don't need people fighting in this lead, we need like real, like players, but then it's like, oh, but if he can wear the shoes, if you know, my conscience. Mo, I think it's, because I'm not going for that. You're sitting on that side. You're basing at my conscience. Look. I think it's coming from that side. She's trying to find the fault. Look, I came in giving her props,

say, hey, Statt, how you doing? Great to see her things going. And I forgot where I was going with this, but the point is you always say if you can get away with something. And I actually gave you credit for your line. I still take it. What is the line that you say?

That applies to this. Yeah, so if SGA can give the rough pair of shoes, pay him on the side, get away with the cheat. And that's all I'm saying. I'm all for it. Ain't that what you say? Me, though. I just don't you said earlier.

That's not add enough to me. Most that is on a revenge store. All summer 26. All summer 60. Literally. I just tried this. I was trying to end the show in a good way. Give you credit.

Give you props. I appreciate it. Came in giving props to everybody. Didn't get my palm trees. Mayst stood me up for lunch too. It's still going to end on a good note, though, because you're No, what? You're here. I said, no.

No, I said I had to publicly shit. Look, so I had to go to the comments and I said, hey, man, listen to me. Has your brother. Somebody's been around you three years. Can I get some sane gear? I seen him preaching. I just asked for a quarter zip, nothing else, right?

I said quarter zip, t-shirt, extra large. I'm your man. He, like, the bag is in the lobby. I'm like, what lobby? The lobby in Atlanta, man. So I said I have to publicly shave him. We're coming in tomorrow with his sweater, with his sweater tomorrow. Everybody.

See how that goes. You got the over-under, Cam. I think we're having, I think we have an, I think we have no problem there, focus, because all I asked was how y'all feel about. The nigger went in the referee, wearing a niggas Mace.

What do you feel about this mace about referees wearing Shade Gildes Alexander's? I think it's a conflict of interest. It shows biasness. You know, that's how everybody who's not getting the call is thinking, while they had the foul line

holding on their shorts looking, they're like, yo, he does be calling a lot of foul. And you look down. You say, and you whisper, that's something we were What it did. You know, look at this, look at this thing.

I was a sheds right now. He's talking about he's going to let us play. But he ain't letting us play on both sides, pause. And I think it's a conflict of interest. It's definitely a conflict. It's definitely a conflict because what are we doing? Like, what happened to the game that I did. Like, that's what people always say, because how do we get here?

What happened? Maybe it's term, man. I want to give, I want to give, a shout out because he, he pointed that out to me. I didn't know about it. So shout out to sin for pointing out. You know he's a, he's a, he's a JLen Brunson guy.

So he said, you know, that's the thing about SGA. He's on top of, he's in top of SGA investigations. And he said, these niggas is out here with SGA sneakers. And, you know, it's a good point because, I don't know. What if a rough was wearing Joy in sneakers when Joyne was playing? I don't think you could do that,

even though Jordan got the highest sneakers. I said, Sin, what do you post to wear? Sincere, you better get you some motherfucking sketches. You got to wear something. You're right. So shout to Sid for bringing that to my attention. Yeah. Shout out to Sin, and tonight's the night, Knicks versus Hawks.

This game will reveal all. We will see what happens. But Maris, it was a pleasure to have you in studio and on the show today. I love you, stuff. Family for sure. I love you, too. I love having you here. This is great.

Like, I just, you know, just a little feisty sometimes. It's all love. I learned that from y'all. It's tough love. You know, that's what y'all call it. Okay. In the comments down below, let us know what y'all think about the right. wearing SGA sneakers, but that is all the time that we have for today.

Thank y'all for watching. And as always, it is what it is.